leftdcin72 at 83 — You are posted — refresh your whole screen and you’ll see that your comment is there. You got momentarily stuck in the filter and I freed you up myself.

No idea where you get a suggestion of the Clintons as an alternative from my post. I think you are seeing what you want to see and making things up from there.

That’s a serious accusation. I deny it.

LeftDCin 72 @ 14

Please take no umbrage but can you get past this good vs evil stuff. The problem is a whole lot bigger than whether the Bush family and their cohorts have been degrading this country. They have, that’s for sure. But so have the Clintons and Gore and Kerry and the other careerists. …

Geez, can we stop blaming Clinton (both of ‘em) for everything?

Sorry (and sadly), no.

History has been written and our first real big chance to get universal health care was screwed up by Hilary — after that was the number one issue Bill was elected to take care of.

And Bill really made it impossible for Gore to win the landslide victory he should have gotten. Unfortunately that made it possible for Bush to squeak through and proceed to ruin the world. Wanna apologize away Bill’s stupidity?

When I taught Constitutional law I started and ended each lecture with “We the people.”
These three words are, in my opinion, the most important in the Constitution.
It is we the people who are sovereign, not the government. The government is granted its rights and privileges from us.

Excuse me, the government has Powers and Duties — never rights.

sandflea @ 110

It would be great if someone could make a video on the cheap. Show someone being abducted doing something normal — maybe a woman arriving home at the end of the day with some groceries. She’s grabbed as she’s taking sacks out of her car. While a voiceover talks about the fact that her family and friends will never know what’s happened to her, the audience sees the spilled groceries and broken eggs on the pavement. Maybe there’s a bumper sticker on the care that says something like “End Torture”.

That’s excellent!! (Sorry to jump right in as a newbie)

The danger in presenting the demise of habeas corpus is that the “it won’t happen if you aren’t doing something wrong” types just can’t imagine it happening to them.

That’s why I like the “soccer mom” approach. Maybe to really drive the point home have the bumper sticker represent a peace church like the Mennonites or Church of the Bretheren (Quaker might be too “political” in some people’s minds).

One (!) crazy fool killed another here in the Netherlands and it was called terrorism right away, creating an atmosphere of fear which ultimately lead to the continuous dimminishing of our rights as free people. What happens in your country seems to spread like a plague and obviously serves as a great example for other democratic nations, thus eroding democracy.

It seems to me that in the end this can only lead to a situation in which we (as in ordinairy people) end up being the threat our own goverment wants to control. If representitives of our parliament (equivilent to your congres) ask questions about the conduct of our soldiers in Iraq or Afganistan, they are answered in a way you all know to well; you are unpatriotic, unloyal to your troops and ‘our’ values.

It realy scares me to see that even the worst is sold to us as the best.

LeftDCin 72 @ 14

Please take no umbrage but can you get past this good vs evil stuff. The problem is a whole lot bigger than whether the Bush family and their cohorts have been degrading this country. They have, that’s for sure. But so have the Clintons and Gore and Kerry and the other careerists. HRC justifies the pardon of Rich because it wasn’t done to protect the White House, gimme a break. The Clintons are awful and I refuse to justify them by Ruth Bader Ginsburg vs Sam Alito.

FWIW, every person pardoned by Bill Clinton had ALREADY served their prison sentences and been all the way through the justice system prior to receiving their pardons. And that includes his brother.

To be contrasted by the “commutation” by Little Boots of Libby prior to even setting one foot in prison. Or the pardons his father issued to Eliott Abrams and Caspar Weinberger before they even went to trial.

I’ll take a Bill Clinton style pardon as one of the end results of our system of government. I will fight like crazy the Bush style no accountability type pardons as the perversion of our justice system that it is.

Go for it, Clinton fan. And when that circus comes into town again you can have a front row seat watching nothing of any substance

I will opt for trying to get something done for this country.

Just one note. Marc Rich was a fugitive who had skipped bail and was living in Switzerland at the time he got his pardon which was reported to be the result of a joint effort by Scooter and Rich’s ex-wife. I am unaware of any pardon granted to any other fugitive, ever.

Sent you an email with a personal 7/4/07 story that relates to Bush and Libby from a citizen perspective. Under the subject head (Re: Corrected Copy the Eve of July 4 story)

Enjoy the read. It was a great personal experience and relates to this thread…

Thanks for your postings today.