The Baltimore Sun had an editorial yesterday that needs to be more widely read. Here’s a snippet:
Besides all his other gifts, Thomas Jefferson appears to have been prophetic.
In his first presidential inaugural address in 1801, he ticked off a long list of essential principles of government, featuring highlights of the Bill of Rights, and called preservation of the government “in its whole constitutional vigor” the “anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad.” These principles “should be the creed of our political faith,” he said. “Should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty and safety.”
Such moments of error or alarm have sent the government off on dangerous tangents from time to time over the years – but rarely with more wide-ranging consequences than the course embarked upon after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. On this 231st anniversary of Jefferson’s eloquent Declaration of Independence from British rule, the United States is desperately in need of restoring the rights and freedoms surrendered in a false bid for security that has perversely put the nation at greater risk.
Consider what has been lost.
Sweeping federal measures, most of them heavily cloaked in secrecy, have robbed Americans of privacy, due process of law, even freedom of movement. Warrantless wiretaps, e-mail surveillance, national security letters secretly demanding information on thousands of citizens and, soon to come, the equivalent of national ID cards – all would be abominations to Jefferson. America’s suspected enemies have fared worse. They have been tortured, held indefinitely without charge and spirited away to secret prisons abroad so no one knows who they are or what has happened to them….
In the weeks and months after 9/11, when the Bush administration was paring back civil liberties through the cynically named Patriot Act and travelers were coping with what would become increasingly burdensome restrictions, fearful Americans were persuaded to accept the sacrifice in return for a greater measure of safety.
But Jefferson would argue that was a false choice. Liberty is the source of security. An open, accountable government is the best protection against tyranny and incompetence. Travel restrictions in the form of identity papers – aimed not at terrorists but at illegal immigrants – represent the cost of unchecked power on the quality of American life.
The portrait now emerging of Vice President Dick Cheney as the unseen hand behind many of the more outrageous violations of civil liberties, aided in part by Alberto R. Gonzales, the lapdog of an attorney general, powerfully underscores Jefferson’s point that the time has come to retrace these missteps and get back on the road to peace, liberty and safety.
Congress, now in Democratic hands partly because of a backlash at these heavy-handed tactics, should begin the process by getting out all the facts. Americans have a right – and a responsibility – to know what’s being done in their name and what effect it’s having….
Do go and read the entire editorial. And consider it in the context of this quote from Paine that Digby shared yesterday:
…in America THE LAW IS KING. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other….
Here’s to “we the people” and to the restoration of the rule of law. I stand for liberty. What say you?
(Photo of the Jefferson Memorial via ehpien. H/T to reader WB for the Baltimore Sun link.)
PS — Happy birthday to Waccamaw! And take a little time today to visit the Group News Blog.
Related posts:
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- Does Obama Plan to Give Up a Little Liberty to Get a Little Safety?
- What did Jefferson tell us to do if an opposing faction decides to “refresh the tree of liberty” with blood?
- Teddy Kennedy’s Faith, Active in Love
- Breaking: William Jefferson Convicted in Bribery Case





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Ah, missed it by THAT much…
Yes! A first with the new format! And I was just about to tell the gang that the sun is attempting to peek through the clouds here and that I might need to take advantage of it and head to the out of doors world.
Thomas Jefferson would have profound contempt for David Broder.
dakine01 @ 4
And beat by another CenTex Firepup.
Gnome de Plume @ 7
Great minds, similar patterns…
Ssshhhh! Don’t tell anyone downstairs that we are here.
I Stand for Liberty!
Christy, you’re an inspiration.
Christy if only it were true that in the U.S. “the law was King”. It is not! And this is the terrible truth that we need to face.
Bush commuting Libby’s sentence, Wolofowitz (one of the main architects of the invasion) moving on to the AEI, Fleisher, Rove, Armtage, Robert Novak basically all walking in regard to outing Plame, illegal wiretaping, invading a nation illegally that did not attack us, record breaking oil profits, hundreds of thousands injured dead, displaced as a direct result of the illegal invasion and no accountability in the false pre-war intelligence etc etc…Proves that the “law is not King” in the U.S.
THIS IS THE BRUTAL TRUTH!
The whole world is watching and laughing!
Nice job Christy, and a belated Happy 4h to all you firedog patriots.
Kathleen at 11 — That is only true if we stop fighting for it. And I, for one, am not ceding any ground to these asshats so long as I draw breath.
Please take no umbrage but can you get past this good vs evil stuff. The problem is a whole lot bigger than whether the Bush family and their cohorts have been degrading this country. They have, that’s for sure. But so have the Clintons and Gore and Kerry and the other careerists. HRC justifies the pardon of Rich because it wasn’t done to protect the White House, gimme a break. The Clintons are awful and I refuse to justify them by Ruth Bader Ginsburg vs Sam Alito.
and the editorial from the Baltimore Sun is profound.
hey Twisted, how’s the vacation proceeding?
When I taught Constitutional law I started and ended each lecture with “We the people.”
These three words are, in my opinion, the most important in the Constitution.
It is we the people who are sovereign, not the government. The government is granted its rights and privileges from us.
A question I’ve had for awhile: After the 2008 elections, after the dems take over, will there be cause to think that any of these crimes within the executive branch will be pursued/prosecuted by a new DOJ?
Gnome at 16 — Well, certainly the ongoing investigations which have been stalled on corruption issues will continue moving forward where they can be. That would be a great start, frankly, because the public corruption issues under investigation ought to be taken very seriously.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
Even if the Chimpenfuhrer tries a blanket pardon as he walks out the door, there still need to be hearings and reports detailing ALL the levels of misfeasance, malfeasance and corruption done by this mis-administration.
Was it Trent Lott who said something about 9/11 letting Republicans put in place plans they thought up years ago and were waiting to enact? Does anyone know exactly what the “plans “were because if we can show for impeachment hearings that the “plans” were already thought up before 9/11 we take away Bush’s 9/11 defense. These plans were premeditated to take away our rights when a national disater could be used as an excuse. They were not in reaction to 9/11. For example why would Bush think listening to American phone conversations was going to help him find Al Queida? He could have gotten a warrant to listen if he had proof. Bush wanted no warrants, no oversight, no mention that he wants to spy on normal Americans for “cough” reasons that are so lame even John Ashcroft wouldn’t approve.
Our Country was founded on Personal Freedom and Independence – Personally Free and Independent from Tyrannical Control by un-checked and un-balanced Government.
300 Million hearts aflame with the spirit of Liberty would resurrect the Constitution from Bush’s Death by Willfull Subterfuge.
or
300 Million slumbering TV watchers will trudge blindly, ignorantly, straight into slavery for the Man – the Draft will be back if Bush invades Iran – but our Rights will be gone.
What’s it gonna be, America? Impeach Bush/Cheney or Invade Iran?
We can get 70% behind Impeachment if that’s our choice – Impeach or Invade?
Gnome de Plume @ 16
imo, it will be only if we force the issue.
Leftdcin72 at 14 — Since the constant refrain on Marc Rich is getting old, let me say this so that we are perfectly clear on this point: (1) two wrongs do not make a right; (2) the Rich pardon was a stupid maneuver; and (3) I’ve never made excuses for it, but as I wasn’t blogging all the way back in 2000, there isn’t exactly a written record of my disgust over it.
That said, it also does not excuse current issues with corruption and excessive grabs at executive power at the expense of civil libterties. Period. And trying to distract from the bad behavior of the Bush Administration with the shiny objects of the past does not mitigate the damage done by the current Republican president and his enabling minions.
The Democrats anger me because they won’t seek impeachment based on the calculus that the conviction will fail in the Senate, or that it will prevent them from doing important things. To that I say hogwash, there are a couple of strong reasons why impeachment should go forward.
If the grounds for impeachment are laid out carefully and clearly, the reasons will be self-evident and only the most corrupt of GOP operatives will continue to support the illegal actions of the Bush government. It is impossible to predict at this point how anyone will vote once such a serious process is undertaken in earnest.
Most importantly, impeachment is the way to defend the Constitution. Sometimes doing the right thing is more important than doing the winning thing. If our politicians believe in the founding principles of this country, they should fight for them regardless of what the consulting and polling tells them the outcome may be.
It’s been said many time, “if not now, when?” That is very true in this case. Democrats have an image problem of not being tough or standing for anything, and letting a lawless government operate without facing a nuclear-level showdown is the worst kind of namby-pambyism this country can see. Letting the Bush government reign unchecked at this point will cement the 110th Congress in history in the same league as many other afraid-to-act government bodies. Will we see the coinage of a new concept not unlike the Vichy government?
As Edmund Burke is quoted as saying, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Christy,
I’ll see the Sun’s Jefferson prescience, and raise the stakes with one Lincoln speech:
At some point I’ll finish the very long post I’d started yesterday on Lincoln’s Address to the Young Men’s Lyceum, but the shorter version is: the rule of law is the only thing that can ensure the security of our political institutions. And that is something we are at grave risk of losing.
After I waved off the steam coming from Dean David Brodersl latest shitpile, I noticed that the opening was an implicit endorsement of Fred Thompson too.
Oh Dave, Hollywood Fred is gonna save us all….
Oh Dave, Hollywood Fred thinks that politicians in Washington have forgotten about the constituents….
Good God, please Dave, retire.
-GSD
Want to talk about taking a stand for liberty, take a look at this blurb, bold mine.
Arthur Middleton was born in South Carolina in 1742. He was educated in England and graduated a Cambridge in 1773. He was elected to the Council of Safety at Charleston in 1775, and in 1776 was a delegate to the Continental Congress. He was captured by the British when Charleston was overrun 1781, and held prisoner for more than a year. Most of his fortune was destroyed during the Revolution. He was engaged in politics until his death on the first of January, 1787.
Arthur Middleton
Spend a few minutes reading about the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and allow their stories to inspire you.
LeftDCin 72 @ 14
FWIW, every person pardoned by Bill Clinton had ALREADY served their prison sentences and been all the way through the justice system prior to receiving their pardons. And that includes his brother.
To be contrasted by the “commutation” by Little Boots of Libby prior to even setting one foot in prison. Or the pardons his father issued to Eliott Abrams and Caspar Weinberger before they even went to trial.
I’ll take a Bill Clinton style pardon as one of the end results of our system of government. I will fight like crazy the Bush style no accountability type pardons as the perversion of our justice system that it is.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
Clintons pardon of the sleazebag Rich was unforgivable. But comparing the “commuting” by Bush of Libby (who along with other Bush administration officials) have undermined U.S. National Security to Clintons pardon of the criminal Rich is absurd.
That comparison is like comparing Clintons lies under oath about his extra marital activities with the lies told to the American public and the world about WMD’s in Iraq.
The consequences of the lies told by Clinton and Bush are universes apart!
LeftDCin 72 @ 14
Geez, can we stop blaming Clinton (both of ‘em) for everything?
dakine01 @ 28
I don’t think Marc Rich served any prison time. He was a fugative. BUT, Clinton didn’t pardon him to cover for crimes in his administration.
Kathleen @ 11
Maybe instead of anger we should laugh at the Asshat Emperor and tell him he has no clothes. Bush only has power amoung the 30%ers because they still take him seriously. Terriosm is serious but the way Bush is fighting this war is not. Why its almost like he wants the war to contiune forever so that he can keep his extraconsitituional powers. After all Iraq is a third world country only by overruling General Shinski and sending in less troops than was needed and despite the Surge and Mercs we still don’t have enough. Could Bush achieve his Asshat goal of forever war. Bush intentionally threw the fight because while Winning a war is nice the extraconsitituional power of war extended forever was what he really wanted.
LeftDCin72 @ 14
Bill Clinton hasn’t been President for more than six years; he is not responsible for anything Bush and Cheney have done, so stop using him as a convenient (and unconvincing) excuse.
dakine01 @ 19
I am with you but feeling oh so discouraged! Firedoglake gives me hope. But it is oh so late for the thousands dead and injured due to these “asshats” lies and actions.
Kathleen @ 11
Some aren’t laughing, they are downright mortified.
Although I equivocated on impeachment for a while, I now realize that the only way to begin mending our relations with the rest of the world is to indeed hold those responsible for our lawless aggression and war crimes in the Middle East accountable and “bring them to justice.” We must show them we are indeed a nation of laws and that we respect international law as well.
Beautiful Post Christy!
The founders gave the people the law. Not the wanna-be kings, of which I am sure there were many during the times of the revolution.
It is ironic that Osama bin Laden (or any of his ilk) never had a snowballs chance in hell of really depriving the American people of their liberty. The attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon did not deprive anyone of their liberty–rather they deprived a lot of people of their lives. But death is a risk that is always present. No government can protect its people from all risk of death, though it can take steps to minimize the risk of unnecessary and premature death. The mind-fuck is that GW Bush and his gang of thugs has come closer to doing what they said Osama bin Laden wanted to do, to attack and destroy our way of life.
Christy, I’ve finished my Fourth-of-July project (or finished enough to take it out in public): a black flag with a skull and crossbones. If we’re going to be a nation without laws above state level ….
Bill Clinton didn’t pardon or commute the sentences of anyone who might roll on him for espionage charges.
things come undone @ 32
I could laugh at the “asshats” it it were not for all of the corpses, injured and displaced!
i think that what’s happening is even worse than undermining the “rule of law”….
rule of law fails not only when it is unjustly applied. it also fails when the laws are unjust (see the MCA).
with the MCA on the books, i can’t advocate for the “rule of law”… how about the “the just rule of just laws”?
What are High Crimes and Misdemeanors?
What is interesting is this seems to have been written to justify the Clinton Fiasco but if you delete the Ken Starr discussion it really damns BushCo.
Kathleen @ 7:27 , I can’t imagine why the world would be laughing at us. A healthy American democracy is in their interest. I’d like to think that they’re cheering us on, as we fight for our democracy. When the evening news here (Germany) reported on the commutation of Libby’s prison sentence, they also reported on the widespread outrage across the US. There have been many stories about Pelosi, et al and the challenges to Bush. They’re not laughing, though I bet they’re feeling some hope as they watch us take back the country.
Oh, and this makes me feel so much better about the vast profits that the war profiteers are raking in on the public dime. How about you?
Janda @ 31
The Israeli lobby at work.
LeftDCin 72 @ 14
Not only do I agree with everything everyone else said in protest to your comment, but I am highly displeased by your throwing Al Gore into the mix, and then not offering any constuctive alternatives. I am not particularly pleased with our current group of presidential candidates, although any of the Dems would be preferable to any of the Repugs. Unfortunately, that’s about the best I can say about them. But I consider Al Gore the best and the brightest of all possible candidates, although the potential for his throwing his hat into the ring is tenuous at best. If not Gore, who then would be better?
Last week, responding to my comment in an agonizing thread (one of many last week),
“There’s no f*cking king in this country,”
another commenter, Kate Jensen, said:
“Yes there is.”
I thought, what is f*ck is she talking about?
Maybe this is what she meant, from above:
If this is what you meant, Kate, I stand corrected.
I don’t really propose this but as a hypothetical, let’s grant every sleazy thing attributed to both Clintons. So what. What is the point. Were comparing petty crimes with the total undermining of the rule of law, nationally and internationally. But OK, let’s say lying about a blow job is as bad as anything Bush has done. So what. “He did it too!” might fly in kindergarten but even my second grade son know better than to pull that one.
Pfifferling @ 42
You can also count some asian countries who are waiting for us to pick ourselves up from this mess and be the U.S. they used to admire.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Ugh. Just one of the many unintended consequences of Cheney and Rumsfeld’s remaking of the military. And we’ll all pay for it, for a very long time to come, not to mention the men and women who suffer from having worked for these meat grinders.
mc @ 30
Apparently not. The right has an unhealthy obsession with the man.
What if we’d bashed Reagan all these years for starting this stinkin’ Republican Revolution which has culminated into the catastrophe we have now? We’ve certainly had plenty to work with. But God forbid. The msm has painted him as a demi-god and it is sacrilege to speak ill of Reagan.
But bash Clinton to a bloody pulp when you have no valid argument to support what the Republican party has done to this country. And there is no way on earth that, if Clinton or Gore had started this war, impeachment proceedings would not have taken place a long time ago.
Oh, good lord. The WaPo is allowing Newt to pimp himself out as the great philosopher hope for the GOP and the nation. Blergh.
Just what the country needs, an even bigger ego than the one we have in the WH now.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Is anyone aware of any investigative reports on what the Defense contractors (Russian, U.S., Israeli) have made off of the sales of arms to all sides during the conflicts in the middle east since the Bush administration was selected?
The documentary “Iraq for Sale” touched upon this.
http://iraqforsale.org/
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
And I feel so much safer knowing all these people with unrecognized stress injuries are walking around, probably unemployed and angry.
Good morning from L.A. Another excellent a.m. post, CHS. To the voice of our home grown heroes may I add Tony Benn. Tony is the former Brit M.P. who was interviewed extensively in “Sicko” by Michael Moore. Amazing man w/an amazing bio. Here’s just one of many inspiring quotes from his website:
“In 1993 I spoke in Hyde park to a couple of million people…afterwards someone from the BBC said ‘you’re a voice in the wilderness’ and I said ‘well there are two million people in my wilderness, how many are there in yours?”
Tony Benn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn
Ann in AZ @ 44
i agree with you about gore…. but only the gore of the last 5 years. before that, i do think he was part of the problem (see his defense of nafta, media consolidation amoung other things). that said, i voted for him in 2000 – and i live in a “safe” state… but, i wasn’t happy about it.
the last 5 years, gore has really grown – intellectually and morally. maybe it took being out of washington AND having had the insider’s knowledge AND having a naturally curious and introspective mind. whatever it was…. there’s been some big changes in rhetoric and, i think, in substance. all for the good… and i’d be estatic if he ran for president now (especially if with edwards as his running mate).
but i do agree with the basic idea that we need to be very careful about falling into labeling people as all good or evil (and that includes gore). as glenn greenwald shows… it’s a mental trap that does not lead to good things.
dakine01 @ 28
“To be contrasted by the “commutation” by Little Boots of Libby prior to even setting one foot in prison. Or the pardons his father issued to Eliott Abrams and Caspar Weinberger before they even went to trial.”
I agree. The lefts talking points need a breath of fresh air. We need to stop defending Clinton’s actions and put the leg irons of the father’s pardons onto the son. If the right points to Clinton pardons, the left needs to point to former President George H W Bush pardons. The right points to the Rich pardon, the left should point to former President GHW Bush’s pardon to Edwin Cox Jr., whose family contributed nearly $200,000 to the Bush family’s campaigns and to Republican campaign committees from 1980 to 2000. And perhaps to the more astounding Iran Contra pardons including his Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger, a highly unusual pardon before trial and conviction. As well as Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency and 18 other individuals who were not involved in the Iran-Contra affair.
And if the right persists then the left must demand a “Ken Starr” Independent Counsel (to investigate the OVP) to be chosen by the three-judge panel and not by the administration under investigation. Starr was a republican appointee and the left should demand, in all fairness, a democratic appointee.
As the parent of a five year old, the “But Clinton Did it First” excuse seems terribly familiar.
“But he hit me first.”
“But she took my cookie first.”
“But he called me a bad name first.”
“But she poked me first.”
“But he took my truck first.”
“But she took my toy first.”
My immoral behavior is not excused by the immoral behavior of others. It might be explained by it, but not excused by it. That’s Basic Parenting 101.
We, the people of the United States of America, in order to form a more perfect union . . .
We may not be perfect as a nation, but we profess to strive to be more perfect. King George XLIII might want to hold “serious discussions” about this with Mssrs. Cheney, Addington, and Gonzales.
Bush is already ratcheting up the Iraq surge message for September, trying to intercept flagging Repug support.
It made me think. Remember that spreading Democracy that this Iraq War was supposed to bring throughout the Middle East? (I know that was one their later reasons for going to war, but) Anyway, it looks like instead of Democracy, war and instability are spreading around. Look at the problems with Turkey and the Kurds. Look at the coming war with Iran.
How about this for a scary possibility: The incoming President inherits the Iraq War and decides, despite making promises to get us out, to INCREASE our presence there and spread the violence around a little. That’s what Nixon did!
IMPEACH or all of our worst fears are just the beginning!
Al Gore would have been impeached for “letting 9/11 happen”.
Rest assured.
There would have been no circling the wagons around the leader.
-GSD
Things Clinton didn’t do:
1. Lie us into a war
2. Have his veep charged to cover that up
3. Populate it with contractors that make him and his Veep a lot of money after they leave
4. Have no strategy to end the war, so they can have even more money after they leave
5. Commute the sentence of the only person charged with a crime — that might be compelled to provide answers if made to feel uncomfortable
6. Hire partisan operatives everywhere, so its easier to hide the facts
Miss anything?
Josh Gerstein has an intriguing angle on the Libby commutation decision by Bush enabling a Hamas defendant to make an argument with regard to sentencing. Welcome to the land of unthinking consequences, part 1,521…
We need to explain to the 30%ers that Bush is a joke. Their and my fear of Terroism is real but obviously Bush is throwing the fight to keep power. We can agree with the 30%ers about terror the need to fight it.
But giving the President the benefit of the doubt for 6 years has NOT worked out. Once we take away fear then only the corporate and fundementalist wings of the Republican party will be left. Laughing at a president who is laughable takes away his respect. A leader who can’t be respected has lost the aura of the presidency and the natural deference that many people have for the office.
Anger is justified and called for I’m angry often but laughing is better. Laughter has brought down more Tyrannts than Armies, allthough the Armies would claim otherwise, we frame the debate, we choose the battlefield and I choose laughter! The Daily Show is where we will win not in the Mainstream Media.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 42
Ahh, the Free Market in all it’s glory.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
I believe that the phrase “I will be filing a Libby Motion” will soon become a part of the legal lexicon.
Heckuva job, George.
So, I’ve been thinking about getting more action going on the habeas restoration. But I’m having trouble coming up with a good, pithy, on point statement on it that brings the importance of this home in a way that people who haven’t been paying attention can understand.
If anyone has a good idea on this, I’d love to hear it. Think I’ll do a post on this tomorrow, but I thought I’d get everyone’s brains working a little early on it. :)
The left’s new mantra: The sins of the father revisited upon the son. Forget Clinton, remember Bush I’s inexcusable crimes and pardons.
“An informed Citizenry is the only repository of the public will” Thomas Jefferson
We can only become “informed” citizens if the media is doing their job. We know they have not!
That is why many Americans have and are turning to Firedoglake, other blogs, and internet sites to access information that the MSM does not cover accurately.
sandflea @ 50
Oh no. Make no mistake, it’s time to take apart Saint Ronnie. From his great “family values” to his tenure as Governor and the ruination of the University of California system, to the injustice of his actions in the PATCO strike to Iran-Contra, all of the lies and crimes need to be brought up.
And if I can just get the name of our airport restored to Washington National Airport and not Reagan National Airport, I’d be the tiniest bit satisfied
I noticed this article at MSNBC yesterday: Analysis: Libby decision shows worst in politics
Veteran reporter says the hypocrisy is unpardonable by AP’s Ron Fournier
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19603636/
This is a piece that ostensibly is a criticism of the Libby commutation but spends most of its time beating up on the Clintons. I’m not a Hillary supporter but I can recognize a hit piece when I see one. Also the Fournier name seems familiar to me. Has he written this type of thing before?
And then there was this article at MSNBC via Newsweek: No-Fault Foreign Policy
Given Bush’s behavior on Iraq, his decision to keep Scooter out of the slammer isn’t surprising. Nor is it likely to hurt the GOP at the polls either by Michael Hirsh.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19…..week/?>
Hirsh manages to mention overreach by Fitzgerald and opines that Bush was probably motivated by compassion. He says the pardon won’t hurt Bush bacause he is at rock bottom in the polls. (First, we don’t know how polls will be affected. Second, while the absolute numbers may not change that much, the Libby commutation is likely to harden further the negative image of Bush among those who already have one.)
Hirsh goes on to point out that pardons never affect elections but then immediately raises the Nixon pardon which did. He finishes with a warning to Hillary not to raise the issue since Bill had a lot of problems with them (apparently emphasizing his point that while pardons have no effect on elections they do).
My take was: Just two more pieces from media that are and remain bought and paid for, oh and incredibly dumb.
In the interesting of propagating a useful meme, I re-post something I wrote yesterday:
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
Christy, how do you think Chris Dodd is making good progress?
mui at 70 — Slow but steady on the Dodd comprehensive package, as I understand it. It has a tougher road through the Senate Armed Services committee, and they have a lot of haggling yet to do to just get it out of committee.
Wow, in the Baltimore Sun. Which blogger took over that editorial page? Whoever, good for her. Suddenly I feel like I’m back in Berkeley, circa 1969. I think I’m feeling a Surge, but this time it’s ours and it could work.
Impeachment, it should be obvious by now, is the only possible remedy, since BushCo is the enforcer (ha!) of laws.
I hope you all feel as sick as I do everytime Bush, or any other Right Wing crazy mentions “Al Queda in Iraq”. This is the new buzz word for these assholes. Every bomb that goes off there is no blamed on them. The reason we are there is, as Bush said yesterday, “we must conquer Al Queda in Iraq.” Just in case you thought we needed a new reason to be in Iraq.
Habemus habeas?
Ok, maybe not. Back to the drawing board.
scory @ 49
Morning, all.
I wonder if the vast majority of Americans understand the numbers of contractors that are working in Iraq and Afghanistan. The NYT piece worded it well:
My guess is that the 101st Fighting Keyboardists who support the war will say that the contractors are “getting paid a lot more than the soldiers, so if they get injured, so be it.” But, that’s not the issue. We’ve outsourced much of this war to mercenaries, simply to keep the numbers of US troops lower (and likely because we don’t have the numbers of troops needed to even come close to controlling the situation), to prolong the war, and also conveniently not have complete control of what these hired guns are doing.
Back to the issue of those who are suffering from PTSD and other ailments due to this war: whether they are soldiers or hired guns working on the US side, the US government should be taking care of them. This is the Pentagon’s war. Unfortunately, it’s very clear that our military is concerned about having numbers on the ground, but not concerned about taking care of the people who are fighting their cause.
I wonder what Jefferson would think if he were alive today.
RockPaperScizzors @ 56
Can Libby still be impeached? Can Fleisher, Rove be impeached?
I really appreciated John Dean’s three articles on the impeachment of lower level Bush administration officials so that they are unable to roll over into future administrations to complete their illegal and immoral agendas.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061215.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Of course, the MSM (FOXCNNMSNBCABCCBS) is making quite a killing from the war also while their correspondents put their lives on the line everyday.
“191 journalists and media assistants killed since the start of fighting in Iraq in March 2003, two still missing, 14 are kidnapped”
http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3
But in a bit of good news, Alan Johnston was released yesterday. But how long until the next journalist is kidnapped, held for ransom, beheaded?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
clinton could be a help there… if she chose to support it.
Habeus Corpus – Not for the masses anymore
or
Habeus Corpus – So long, we hardly new ya.
Peterr @ 64
The sad sorry thing is Peterr’s right
Goopers can’t admit they are wrong. They just can’t do it. Instead, they just keep spouting the talking points as if they are the reality.
They have to be confronted with incontrovertible evidence of a Crime Against ‘Their’ Values before they will say, ‘Huh?’
What kind of evidence might that be?
- Jeff Gannon posing with Bush
- Dozens of Abramoff/Bush Pictures
- Photos of a drunken Bush at Crawford
- Condi quoting Bush’s response to the Aug PDB as, “Yeah right, like those rag-heads could really fly planes? Fuhgeddaboutit!”
Stuff like that.
The Goopers will never go after him for poor statecraft, or common corruption or even senseless war – they believe in all of that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 72
Any way we can help? I cosigned and all that .. .
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Somehow I did not get posted but my point is that you seem to suggest that there are present alternatives to Bush and that one of those alternatives are the Clintons
Marie Roget @ 54
Couldn’t resist one more Tony Benn quote before driving in to work:
“My Great-grandfather was a Congregational Minister and my Mother was a Bible scholar, and I was brought up on the Bible, that the story of the Bible was conflict between the kings who had power, and the prophets who preached righteousness. And I was taught to believe in the prophets, got me into a lot of trouble. And my Dad said to me when I was young, ‘Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone, Dare to have a purpose firm, Dare to let it (be) known.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
This week Americans will bitch about who should be in the baseball all-star game. We delight in arguing about who should be voted off the island in Survivor. We kick people off the stage in American Idol. We go on endlessly about paper or plastic. CNN or Fox or MSNBC? Was the end of the Sopranos inspired or a cop-out?
The national passtime of this country is not baseball, but “stating our case.”
That is what habeas corpus boils down to: a demand that we be allowed to state our case in court, confronted by the specific charges against us, the ones making the charges, and the evidence (or lack thereof) on which the charges are based.
Habeas Corpus matters a helluva lot more than who gets the prize on Dancing with the Stars. Our founders pledged “our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor,” because that is exactly what was at stake in the revolution, when habeas corpus was denied them in their day.
Today, we demand the same when it is denied in our day.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
OK, I’m just getting awake with my first cup of coffee, but maybe we should try to write some short thematic stuff using the
“Second Person Singular, Present Tense, Active Voice” principle that is a staple of effective ad copy.
Off-topic example, of some 30 second ad spot copy I just wrote for the band I manage:
‘eh?, y’know, “You are accomplished, successful, handsome, and stylish. Men emulate you, women want you. That’s why you drive the Lexus.”
Persuasion tactics 101.
So, why shoud YOU, John Q. NoClue, care about Habeas?
The point is one of effectuating visceral empathy. Can we do that in 30 seconds or less on this topic, without making it sound too “ad-dy”?
Peterr @ 85
Too bad we can’t stage a demonstration at a big game our ween our way onto American Idol. As it is I guess moveon.org had problems last year getting a ‘mercial on.
I would like to ask those bloggers who would be willing to petition Bill Moyers or any other forum that might be appropriate to ask that we have a panel discussion about what to do with our wayward president. Certainly some people will not see him as wayward but in my opinion the discussion would frame the debate and begin a strategy discussion about how to use the tools of our democracy in this situation and be successful. I would like to see experts on this panel and to see the american people participate in the discourse.
I am e-mailing Bill Moyers show to ask for the discussion but I wonder if any one else would be interested in making such a request.
I think in light of Iran/Contra and it’s outcome it would make more sense for us to go into the problem with our eyes wide open only after having a full debate about the pros and cons of the different paths available.
We don’t lock people up and throw away the key, do we?
RockPaperScizzors @ 66
How is it that the American public has been convinced that lies under oath about a bl*wj*b are as critical to our nation as lies about an immoral intelligence snowjob about WMD’s that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, injuries and displaced?
So much for the “city opon the hill” hogwash!
John Winthrop (1588–1649)
” For we must consider that we shall be as a City upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. Soe that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world.”
leftdcin72 at 83 — You are posted — refresh your whole screen and you’ll see that your comment is there. You got momentarily stuck in the filter and I freed you up myself.
No idea where you get a suggestion of the Clintons as an alternative from my post. I think you are seeing what you want to see and making things up from there.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
Your government can take you out of your home, throw you in jail without a lawyer, keep all of your friends and family totally in the dark as to where you are. No charges. No trial. No judge. No jury. Because someone else (your neighbor perhaps?) didn’t like something you said.
dakine01 @ 91
Yes. That is the essence of what needs to be conveyed, in a way that smacks people in the gut.
nice piece Christy, I want to comment on this;
the part that has my bold is way too kind, some of these people are not “suspected” at all, imprisonment is nothing but convenience…they were gathered up in some obscure sweep and it’s too difficult politically to release them
Habeas corpus is everyone’s right to ask a court, Why was I arrested? and the court’s duty to say why.
BobbyG @ 92
What about listing every government that has denied habeas corpus. The Soviet Union, the Nazis, Mussolini, etc. and then saying the company we are keeping. We can do better.
radiofreewill @ 81
i think it is human nature to resist admiting when we’re wrong. especially when we think we’re being verbally attacked.
don’t really know how to get around this one… but admitting our own defensive desires might be a start.
anyone have any helpful suggestions, i’d be most grateful.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
Let me try this again:
Imagine a world where you can be dragged from your home, thrown in jail and not allowed to see a lawyer. Your family is not told where you are. You are locked up without a trial. No judge. No jury. No conviction, just on a whim. Maybe you said something that someone else didn’t like (your neighbor, perhaps?).
Welcome to the USA without Habeas Corpus.
Janda @ 94
that’s visceral
Your government can take you out of your home…etc.
Yes, and add that this is something we thought only happened in other countries, like the former Soviet Union.
Sorry about the double post. The first got hung-up I reckon.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
we all know my theme here but let me repeat it again
habeas protection must be given a face…our face.
“I don’t want some appointed nut able to out me in jail and make up some crime that never existed just so he can make believe he has justification”
“if someone makes up garbage about me I better be able to prove they’re making it up…either to steal or to keep themselves out of trouble”
that’s what you need to do Christy, you have to put a face on it, put your face on it, put there face on it
that’s the only way to get even the puppets to understand what’s at stake
Jeralyn upstairs on Scooter’s future
BobbyG @ 70
What a great way to spend the 4th!
During the days I was able to attend the Libby trial I stood outside the Prettyman Courthouse as Libby and his wife would exit. They knew he would never do time, they were cocky, arrogant and full of hubris, they posed for pictures everyday, it was disgusting!
They knew that the law does not apply apply to them! The traitors who outed Plame walk free. This is a “solid as Iraq” example of the lack of commitment to real justice and truth in our nation.
Fresh thread from Jeralyn on outstanding Libby issues. It’s a great post, so please take some time to read it. :)
These comments are really getting annoying.
I have to scroll down at least 10 comments before I see anything of substance.
What are you, 11-year olds? You have to be the first to post some meaningless inside jokes?
Honestly, this is a great blog, but the comments section is a pain to read.
dakine01 @ 98
Slightly reworded:
Imagine a world where the government can drag you from your home, throw you in jail and not allow you to see a lawyer. Your family is not told where you are. You are locked up without a trial. No judge. No jury. No conviction, just on a whim. Maybe you said something that someone else didn’t like (your neighbor, perhaps?).
Welcome to the USA without Habeas Corpus.
things come undone @ 20
The Patriot Act wasn’t written in 2 weeks, it was waiting and ready to go; the Model State Emergency Public Health Act was written way before 9/11 at Johns Hopkins (Wolfie’s prior employer); the plans to take out Saddam were festering since 1997; and, the evisceration of the military and its replacement with homegrown mercs was already in its nascent stages during Clinton’s terms in office.
Well guys, truthfully, I feel like any get-up and go got kicked out of me by the Libby commutation. I hope we can all rally for habeas corpus. I guess I should take cue from the Civil Rights Workers of yore. They must have operated in a much less promising environment.
A person who hasn’t been paying attention will understand a narrative about being whisked off the street, taken into custody without being told why, no right to counsel, not knowing when or if they will ever be freed or even allowed to live, unable to contact their family members to let them know they are alive. They may never hear the charges against them, which means the charges can be trumped up or they can simply be charged with treason. Without representation, they will be convicted regardless of whether they are guilty or not.
Perhaps that’s a bit dramatic (although I left out the possibility of torture), but a narrative I think is a good start because I think many people are missing the point that just because they think they haven’t been doing anything “wrong,” they don’t have anything to worry about is totally irrelevant.
People in this country have become so complacent, they take their rights for granted and they trust their government so much that such scenarios sound more like life in Soviet Russia, so I don’t know how to make it “real” for them. But I certainly know where they’re coming from, because I used to be one of those trusting lambs.
Peterr, I loved the story of your little boy shouting, “We hold these truths to be self-evident….” at the swimming pool yesterday. :)
Christy -
Thank you for the kind wishes……..the Lake is like a present – every day of the year. And I’ll take a slice of that apple pie they’re serving up at GNB over b-day cake anytime. *g*
Check for hearings oversight coming your way today via snail mail.
Christy thank you for the link to Sara Robinson’s piece oh and yes the apple pie recipe.
It is hard for us average folk to assimilate all the obscure incremental steps that these neo-sapiens have taken to destroy America which, of course, why thay have been so successful. It seems now that they are being “forced” into taking larger and bolder steps and are, fatally for them, showing their hand. It appears that the more pressure they feel from the various investigations the brassier they become and the less successful at shading their moves. I believe that with continued and increased pressure from Congress they will make the one “fatal” mistake that the H20gate bunglers did. One can also hold out hope that a whistleblower will emerge but of that I am not so sure as that could effect the whistler’s life expectancy.
Pfifferling @ 111
Thanks. Me too.
sandflea @ 110
It would be great if someone could make a video on the cheap. Show someone being abducted doing something normal — maybe a woman arriving home at the end of the day with some groceries. She’s grabbed as she’s taking sacks out of her car. While a voiceover talks about the fact that her family and friends will never know what’s happened to her, the audience sees the spilled groceries and broken eggs on the pavement. Maybe there’s a bumper sticker on the care that says something like “End Torture”.
Hugh @ 96
As opposed to Stalin’s idea of habeas corpus…hide the bodies.
The life of government is to secure that which is heretofore not within. How can we ever achieve the posterior of cognizant ability with such orafication? The new dawn is approaching and the old ways will soon be the new. Our rights have been intholed long enough. Let the revelation of the revolution begin!
Liberty in Downtown Denver on July 4th
http://picasaweb.google.com/cb…..3133846802
Kathleen @ 11
They are weeping, not laughing.
old gold @ 16
Old Gold:
Amen to that! Can you tell us who put in those three little words? It was not they in the original writing. Who worked on the writing, who influenced them and who included this in the rewrite? Thank you.
But we still have a Congres that will not step up to the plate. And what do we do about that? How about turning all of them out of office unless they can bring King George to heel?
Christy,
Sent you an email with a personal 7/4/07 story that relates to Bush and Libby from a citizen perspective. Under the subject head (Re: Corrected Copy the Eve of July 4 story)
Enjoy the read. It was a great personal experience and relates to this thread…
Thanks for your postings today.
dakine01 @ 28
Go for it, Clinton fan. And when that circus comes into town again you can have a front row seat watching nothing of any substance
I will opt for trying to get something done for this country.
Just one note. Marc Rich was a fugitive who had skipped bail and was living in Switzerland at the time he got his pardon which was reported to be the result of a joint effort by Scooter and Rich’s ex-wife. I am unaware of any pardon granted to any other fugitive, ever.
there is only one iron rule in the history of nations as well as international politics; whenever a threat occurs, politicians use it to increase their power over their subjects to insure their own postion.
One (!) crazy fool killed another here in the Netherlands and it was called terrorism right away, creating an atmosphere of fear which ultimately lead to the continuous dimminishing of our rights as free people. What happens in your country seems to spread like a plague and obviously serves as a great example for other democratic nations, thus eroding democracy.
It seems to me that in the end this can only lead to a situation in which we (as in ordinairy people) end up being the threat our own goverment wants to control. If representitives of our parliament (equivilent to your congres) ask questions about the conduct of our soldiers in Iraq or Afganistan, they are answered in a way you all know to well; you are unpatriotic, unloyal to your troops and ‘our’ values.
It realy scares me to see that even the worst is sold to us as the best.
LBrowne @ 116
That’s excellent!! (Sorry to jump right in as a newbie)
The danger in presenting the demise of habeas corpus is that the “it won’t happen if you aren’t doing something wrong” types just can’t imagine it happening to them.
That’s why I like the “soccer mom” approach. Maybe to really drive the point home have the bumper sticker represent a peace church like the Mennonites or Church of the Bretheren (Quaker might be too “political” in some people’s minds).
“They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty of safety.” Benjamin Franklin. 1759
Thomas Jefferson’s great grandson
old gold @ 16
Excuse me, the government has Powers and Duties — never rights.
mc @ 30
Sorry (and sadly), no.
History has been written and our first real big chance to get universal health care was screwed up by Hilary — after that was the number one issue Bill was elected to take care of.
And Bill really made it impossible for Gore to win the landslide victory he should have gotten. Unfortunately that made it possible for Bush to squeak through and proceed to ruin the world. Wanna apologize away Bill’s stupidity?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 92
That’s a serious accusation. I deny it.