I have a confession. I used to read and enjoy The New Republic, and especially someone who just called himself "TRB." Was he another Digby? But I stopped reading TNR when some guy named Kinsley (now at Time) took over, and today I was reminded why.
Shorter Michael Kinsley: Scooter Libby should never have been prosecuted, let alone convicted, because he was the victim of an unfair "perjury trap," just as Bill Clinton was. You see, poor Scooter was put in this unfair position where if he told the truth, he and/or Dick Cheney, Rove, et al might have been indicted for outing a covert agent, and if he refused to tell the truth, he could be indicted for perjury and obstruction. How unfair to be put in such a position.
So if I get the "logic" of this, if someone betrays the United States by exposing national security secrets, he/she should not be questioned about this, because that would put the traitor in the trapped position of being prosecuted for perjury or prosecuted for treason. How unfair.
Shorter Kinsley II: Scooter should never have been prosecuted, because it’s unclear an underlying crime was involved. [Oh, please; read the Judge's opinions!]
Shorter Kinsley III: Scooter should never have been prosecuted, because even if he “leaked” to a reporter, reporters should be protected from revealing sources, so there’s no balance between the two parties to the leak; if reporters are protected, it’s unfair to charge the leaker.
Aside from the obvious disconnect between a reporter’s responsibilities and those of a government official who is statutorily obligated by criminal law to protect exactly this type of national security secret, what happens if Kinsley’s logic confronts this scenario:
Suppose Libby and Cheney held a public rally on the Washington mall and announced over the PA to the assembled neocons that Valerie Plame was a covert agent. Even Kinsley would (one hopes) recognize that both should be prosecuted. But if the two of them hatched a plot to launder the same information though Michael Kinsley (or Judith Miller, or indirectly via an unthinking third official -- Armitage, Fleischer -- to Novak/Cooper) who then publishes exactly the same information for them, then Kinsley’s logic says no one should be prosecuted for outing a US spy.
This is what passes for reasoned opinion by the Beltway's elite punditry. But then, what did we expect from a man who (like most of his colleagues), in explaining the "facts" of the Libby case, can't bother to get them straight -- as in not being able to grasp the underlying crime, or in failing to explain Libby's and Cheney's role in uncovering and making sure Plame's identity was circulated to everyone, including Novak -- because, you know, that would have required him to actually read the judge's opinions or what the real experts have explained, over and over. And that's asking too much, because the leading experts are just girls and, even worse, DFH bloggers. But then, why didn't he check out these experts or this one, or even these guys? Will the New York Times invite any of these experts to rebut Kinsley's nonsense?
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What did Scooter Libby say after Prez Bush commuted his prison sentence?
Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!
http://www.correntewire.com/mein_fuhrer_i_can_walk
Michael Kinsley must be off his meds to write this type of Broderesque tripe.
Fitzwalton!
“Caw…CAW!”
EPU’d from previous thread.
“In light of yesterday’s announcement by the President that he was commuting the prison sentence for Scooter Libby, it is imperative that Congress look into presidential authority to grant clemency, and how such power may be abused,” Conyers said in a statement released to RAW STORY Tuesday night. “Taken to its extreme, the use of such authority could completely circumvent the law enforcement process and prevent credible efforts to investigate wrongdoing in the executive branch.”
If the situation was as Kinsley says, the Constitution provides an escape hatch: the 5th Amendment. If Libby feared that he would implicate himself with truthful testimony, he could have taken the 5th.
I’m awfully glad I don’t have the slightest inclination to even think about searching out and reading right wing talking points.
I wonder exactly who they are trying to convince, each other?
Because apparently this low level citizen knows more about the case than that idjit.
It is true that for public officials- there IS a perjury trap in that they really can’t afford to take the fifth- even though it’s their right- so they are forced testify. They don’t HAVE to lie of course- Clinton could have said “Well I DID get a few blow jobs from that woman- Monica Lewinsky- but that’s ALL”. We know why he DIDN’T do this- and we know why Scooter didn’t confess to what many prosecutors would possibly have considered a crime either- he might have been sent up the river for an even longer period.
Are we spending to much time on Libby? I can hear Rove laughing. The issue is not Libby’s commutation. The issue is why his sentence was commuted. Bush’s action, was and is, a direct signal to all those who are or will be pressured into rolling over or taking deals. He’s telling them he’s got their back. They won’t even have to serve any time, much less wait for a pardon. This issue, as it pertains to Libby personally is over. I guess we can all go on making a big stink about “injustice”, but we’ve been doing that since 2000. We are stuck on a dead issue when we need to be focused on who’s next, the people Bush telegraphed this message to, and make them a better deal. Then we can continue onto Gonzo and Cheney,and actually make something happen. Drop Libby he’s a waste of time. It’s like Repubs. going on and on about Mark Rich, people were mad for about 3 days and it hasn’t been on the radar since (until now).
boxer @ 10
But… it’s been a long hard slog?
Are we in the last throes?
David Brooks is spewing the same screed. The shock troops have been mobilized.
boxer @ 10
It is just a coincidence, albeit a bizarre one, that Scooter Libby was Marc Rich’s attorney, the one who solicited Rich’s pardon, right? The law is just a convenient tool for the Libby’s of this country, to be used when they are convenient, and ignored with impunity when they’re not!
Not to mention that if Shorter Whatsisname II is true, then shorter whatsisname I clearly does not apply.
boxer
Don’t agree. It was pretty clear that Bush would keep Libby out of jail and that he would pay a price- not perhaps a huge price- but a price. Now the trick is to make certain that he pays it. Whatever can be done to keep the story alive for a few more weeks helps accomplish that.
Nothin much will happen- but it will chip away a bit at whatever reputation for decency this fuckwad has left.
Bush commandeered the commuter lane for use by his personal HOV (High Outrage Vandalism).
Long ago Kinsley wrote a column about how Cooper & Miller should not have resisted the subpoena. Clearly someone got to him.
Clearly liberal, or allegedly liberal, pundits are under tremendous pressure to legitmize this decision to at least persuade the American people to acquiess in it.
Che’s Lounge @ 12
Yes. I thought his article was very close
to defamation of Wilson’s character…
rwcole @ 15
Wish that were the case. Do really think that this was some type of blunder? This was completely calculated and I think most people are falling right into line. Rove always leads with a head fake.
Che’s Lounge @ 12
There is nothing like driftglass to make one chuckle at the complete inanity of teh Bobo. And this one leaves a sizable mark.
Kinsley is another baby splitting, pewling shitheel.
There is dried out husk of a Rove pod somewhere in Kinsley’s house.
Must protect the ruling elite, must protect the ruling elite.
-GSD
Alice @ 17
Interesting, isn’t it? Apparently, this decision isn’t being swallowed so quietly as had been hoped.
broken record alert, this happened in part because our media is in the hands of corrupt men.
OT but tempus fugit.
See this post about making a $61 donation in honor of Junior’s 61st birthday tomorrow (July 6).
The lovely Laura beseeched individual members of the herd to make a $61 donation on behalf of W to the Republican Party.
No, no, no. Here’s a better idea. Let’s all make a $61 donation to anything BUT the Republican Party, including FDL (I was not paid to say that), your progressive candidate or cause of choice. Be sure they understand that this is your way of acknowledging Junior’s disservice to the country.
As you were, and thanks.
Well, I pissed and moaned and shouted at the TV and cussed so loud the dogs ran for cover when King George’s latest dictum was announced…like a lot of folks did.
The area where I live in Colorado is a bastion of neo-con rethuglicans but amazingly on guardrails lining the mountain roads there is hastily scrawled white latex graffiti proclaiming IMPEACH BUSH.
Is it a lone wolf howling…or is there a pack forming?
Lou Costello @ 5
Cracking me up.
LBrowne @ 22
I hope you are right.
Good afternoon, everyone. Been gone most of the day. Did you save the world while I was gone?
“Wish that were the case. Do really think that this was some type of blunder? This was completely calculated and I think most people are falling right into line. Rove always leads with a head fake.”
Don’t understand what you are saying WHAT is a “headfake”? Which people are falling right into line? How?
I don’t get it.
Someone help me here. This group of semi-”liberals” - is it laziness, the peergroup (the Georgetown cocktail parties?), the perceived need for access? Is it conscious? Why does thought or investigation stop at a certain point?
LBrowne @ 22
It iw worth noting that another so-called liberal, Alan Dershowitz, was enlisted as one of the amici illuminati to help support Libby’s claim that Fitzgerald’s appointment was improper.
Michael Kinsley is the very epitome of a man whose livelihood depends on not getting it.
Fern @ 14
yep, but I thought expecting consistency would be piling on.
Dershowitz fell off the deep end some time ago.
Scarecrow @ 28
Yep but not in very good condition…. sorry
barbara @ 24
I like this idea, and i wasn’t paid to say it either.
This really IS a bizarre column…It’s TRUE that public officials - for whom the fifth amendment means the end of their careers- are in a special bind during ANY criminal investigation- but this fuckhead then concludes that therefore they shouldn’t be investigated- cause if they admit their crime they go to jail and if they lie- they might go to jail….His argument will work for ANY crime- so they should NEVER be investigated for ANYTHING…
Dumbest column I’ve read for —oh- fifteen minutes or so.
Kinsley attempts to exalt any communication with journalists, for any reason, beyond that of any privilege recognized at law. Solicitor-client privilege is about the highest one recognized in court except for state secrets, and even then, the fact that something is said between a lawyer and client does not necessarily make it automatically privileged - the criminal purpose exception, for example. And, if there is something that is solicitor-client privileged, such as a confession by the client, the lawyer cannot pretend it didn’t happen - if Kinsley confessed to me that he murdered someone, or say that he violated the IIPA by deliberately exposing the identity of a CIA agent who was “stationed” in Tehran undercover as a member of the Supreme Council, I would not ethically be able to defend him by suggesting and presenting evidence in court that somebody else exposed the agent. But apparently, in Kinsley world, reporters are under no such constraints, and can allow themselves to be willing tools of their “sources”. The 1st Amendment rights of reporters to shield anyone who tells them anything, and then the right of such reporters to use such information as they wish in the public sphere, no matter whether they believe it or not, or actually know it to be false or dangerous, is absolute, while the right to counsel in the same Bill of Rights is full of ethical limitations. Journalism calls itself a “profession”, but in contrast to my profession, no journalist ever seems to be disbarred for unethical conduct. Rather, they get vacation homes in Nantucket.
I watched Fitz’s speech to the class of 2007
at Amherst College.
What a gem.
How can anyone label him as a “runaway prosecutor”?
I hope… he has something hidden in his bag
of tricks to outsmart these thugs…
rwcole @ 29
To keep everyone discussing how unjust the commutation was instead of looking at the message it sends and the timing. Think US Atty scandal, missing e-mails. Things that might make a difference. Libby is issue de jeur on purpose - bank on it.
Jeralyn posted a link to a site that lists Bush’s record on pardons.
www.rehabilitated.org/pardon_d.....1_2007.htm
Alice @ 17
I remember this as well. He was criticized for his stance at the time, he among all of the pundits ridiculed the great gnashing of teeth about journalists being required to testify in a criminal case. He seemed to understand that the outcry turned the entire meaning of journalistic privilege on its head. Your conclusion is the only one that makes sense. He has completely turned his own logic inside out.
fartsinsleep @ 26
There are tons of “Impeach Bush” shirts available over at cafepress.com
Fellow members of the pack might consider wearing “Impeach Bush” shirts - so we can identify one another - and to make a point to the public at large that there are many who feel this way. We are not alone.
boxer @ 19
It seems to be resonating with the public, which makes it valuable. I don’t think this is a Rove head fake. I think it is Bush covering his and Cheney’s respective butts. If Scooter went to jail, Scooter might talk.
Driftglass.
Damn.
-GSD
Karl said this was on double deep dish, (with pepperoni) background, and I said OK I will refer to you as “a former illegal alien hired by Republicans”. He said that guys like me were in what Total Information Awareness calls, the “reality-based community”. And this has been defined by David Addington, as dirty hippies who believe that solutions emerge from the judicious study of the New Weenie World Order. Karl then said carefully “That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, a weenie empire. And Cheney is our Emperor. You are not an empire, because we are an empire. When we act, we act like empires. We overact and over react and cry. Especially Scooter cries. We create our own reality. And while you study that reality — judiciously, as you liberals who hate America, will — we’ll act again, creating other new weenie realities, such as David Broder and Michael Kinsley. You can study Sally Quinn too, if you dare. But you try to study me, then Bill Frist or Ann Coulter will be visiting your cat…ha…ha. The faith based community and the K-Street Lobbyist community are history’s great actors…Ronald Reagan, John Wilkes Booth, Tucker Carlson and the guy from the Love Boat. And you, you stupid, left wing, do-gooders, you mock us at your own risk. All of you godless, secular humanists, will be left, to just study what we do. But if you do learn anything, such as how ‘Scooter’ got his nickname, we will rendition you with extreme prejudice, to an undisclosed location.”
GSD @ 45
Full Nelson.
Hola
^_^
LS @ 1
Rank has it’s privilege.
Bay State Librul @ 39
I don’t think Fitz has any bag of tricks. It is like the movie Z, the prosecuter did his job, but the political culture is so sick his work is being undone.
Unless of course we can rally support.
The establishment doesn’t realize they are approaching the edge of a cliff.
They won’t know it or believe it until they hear the whistling in their ears.
-GSD
correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t there charges and counts that can still be preferred once this president is out of office?
Clinton should not have been asked to answer a question about having sex with Monica Lewinsky in a civil suit when the question was not material to the case….
That’s a LONG ways from sayin that Scooter should not have been asked questions about a crime that he was suspected of having committed- perjury trap or no…This fuckhead has just concluded that suspected criminals should never be questioned about their alleged crimes. Incredible….
Man is the thinking animal- but his THINKER leads him into the shoals more often than not- where he is pounded to death by the consequences of his own piss poor thinking.
Regardless of the punditry, this Presidential action offends the most fervent Law and Order conservatives, and may, if handled properly, provide a real foothold toward impeachment.
(just my .02)
janda @ 44
No one risks their life, when they know a pardon is waiting. Libby would have never talked - think Ollie North. I do partially agree with you. If you go back and follow my comments, you will see that the reason this was done was to send a message to the people who are being talked to now - no jail if you keep quiet - this is what we should focus on.
boxer — I don’t think you [can] accuse either me or this site of ignoring the issue of why Bush did this. Just scroll through the posts from the last few days. But I think it’s also important not to let those who keep spinning confusion get away with it — that’s a huge part of the problem we have.
I could have easily taken another article from Wednesday’s NYT, in which the reporters provided a free forum for long-time Bush apologist to spin the story such that the noble Bush spent weeks thinking this through, consulting with experts, reviewing the record, etc, etc. But then you asked youself: Did they go back and try to find out, let alone report, how the leak occurred in the first place? Who dug out Plame’s name? How as it distributed? What care was taken in protecting the security of her status and her cover/assets? And why wasn’t all of this exposed and dealt with three years ago. The reports simply gave us Bush spin, and never asked why, if they were doing such a terrific job of going through the merits of Libby’s conviction, none of these questions came out. Pitiful.
OT
Come smoke some Herb with me.
fartsinsleep @ 25
Slightly OT, but apparently. At least if Sicko can spontaneously cause a posse to form in Texas.
boxer @ 40
What makes you think that nothing is being done by the Senate and House on these issues? Because we’re not talking about them every day? Or the corporate owned media are not covering them? Which they have rarely done at all anyway?
This is exactly the type of issue that DOES resonate with the fifty to sixty per cent of the world who get their news in sound bites from the networks. It is a highly visible issue that goes to the multi-tiered system of justice between the vast majority of us vs the inside the beltway, well-connected crowd.
All the various issues are important whether it is the US Attorneys, Lorna Doone and using the GSA to promote Republicans, Plame and lying us into war. But Scooter Libby getting a “Get out of jail free” card from the president hits the gut where people most understand. NO need for coming up with simple explanations as to why something should be important to everyone. They can see and feel this one as they know people who have been in these positions and NOT gotten extra favorable consideration.
Perris
Well a prosecutor could certainly charge Scoots with the ORIGINAL crime and send him to trial…unless Bush totally innoculates him on the way out the door.
It’s like Ole 60 Grit claiming that a crime is a only a crime when there is an admission of guilt.
We must begin constantly, constantly ridiculing these people for their absurdity.
Also, is there a way to allow those who no longer want to drink the Kool-Aid an escape hatch?
-GSD
boxer @ 10
Baloney.
boxer @ 55
I don’t disagree that we can’t lose focus of all of the other issues as well. But the public understands this one, and it has the potential to help provide traction for all of the other investigations. Any chink in the armor is good as long as we use it to gain momentum for the bigger goal.
perris @ 52
Not if Bush gives them plenary pardons.
So, when does Scooter’s job at the American Enterprise Institute begin? Paul Wolfowitz probably could use an assistant with a good background in loyalty issues.
My best friend had a roommate at Harvard by the name of Michael Kinsley. Same guy.
Friend claims Kinsley was the most over-privileged guy he had ever met. Also claims Kinsley was dumber than a bag of hammers.
How Kinsley ever came to be called a “liberal’ is beyond my comprehension.
wigwam @ 64
Call it pulling a “Fletcher”.
Americans understand the Libby deal. It’s important.
Scarecrow @ 56
Correct. I’m not critizing, just trying to keep people looking at things from all angles.
GSD @ 61
And earlier this week she claimed that “Clinton admitted to perjury.” (And Tweety didn’t call her on it.)
Joe Wilson with Amy Goodman, they discuss the Libby commutation. Great Interview at Democracy Now
http://www.democracynow.org/ar.....05/1415239
Wilson “The President is corrupt to the core, and his administration is corrupt from the top to the bottom”
Froomkin is up: WHAT WAS BUSH THINKING?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1
rwcole @ 60
I think the president can’t really inoculate a person in some kind of prophylactic pardon
yes ford did it, but I can’t believe it would hold up
though with Roberts and alito…who knows…they would all of a sudden find their penitent for residence
*xyz @ 43
To give you an idea of why Democrats keep a low profile in this area of the state just remember the words of the judge that sentenced Alfred Packer after he was convicted of cannabalism, “there’s only 8 Democrats in Park County and you ate four of them!”
Sometimes ya gotta act like a ‘good German’ did in 1942! It ain’t easy when the State holds your work license AND State law precludes you from running for public office!
Simmering, that’s what this country is doing, just simmering.
wigwam @ 64
see my comment on 72
The best way to squeeze juice out of this issue is the point out that thousands are in jail for doin EXACTLY what Scoots was convicted of doing- so if Scoots was sentenced excessively- all the other thousands must be let free. There is NO defense against this argument- NONE. Create a list of names and wave it in Clusterfuck’s face everytime he shows his face. “Free these people who have been excessively punished Mr. President- cause according to YOU even ONE day in prison is too much for perjury and obstruction.”
the fact that Libby’s ‘relief’ may signal protection to other conspirators is the VERY reason why questions must be asked and every detail must be examined: in doing so those who are counting on Bush’s ’special’ extra-executive powers will feel less and less secure in their silence.
letting it stand lets Bush’s plan proceed unmolested.
Kinsley? A long time ago I respected this person. That’s not the case now.
What PlameGate truly reveals is how thoroughly corporations have penetrated government and the media (of course, big business owns both). As government twists the Constitution into a pretzel to serve their corporate masters, the media must invent increasingly unbelievable bullshit, the gist of which is ‘everything’s ok, nothing to see, just move along.”
It’s not Republicans that piss me off anymore - a fascist is a fascist is a fascist.
It’s Democratic Quislings.
Ed- Scoots already HAS a job with a neo-fascist organization.
janda @ 63
I argee, the public understands this one. That brings up the question I keep asking. Are we to believe that this was not factored into Rove’s consideration of when this was done? You don’t have to be a political genius to know people would be outraged. That’s why I keep saying we need to look behind this.
Is Bush giving out pardons or indulgences?
Gawd. Have you ever seen a more corrupt bunch of thugs in your life than the Bush outfit? And the GOP is offering us Rudy the G as their best of the best.
boxer @ 10
FYI - Boxer made the identical comment in an earlier thread. Curious, isn’t it, all this protesting?
Trying to disseminate a concern troll message perhaps?
Focusing on Libby is not a waste of time. Period
It all comes back to the lies that led to war, and the lies that were told to cover up the lies.
Libby’s treason is one of the administration’s greatest vulnerabilities and we will not forget it.
Bay State Librul @ 82
He wouldn’t know the difference but doing this makes him feel “kingly.”
Bay State Librul @ 82
a bit of both, I believe.
George W. Bush. Bad parenting (Babs and Poppy) in action.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
LOL as she tries to clean the water from her keyboard
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
BTW, if you want to give somoene background on this matter, I recommend refering them to Thom Hartmann’s artcile. It’s excellent.
Just in case they pissed you off enough…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Used to read him on Slate. Often disagreed, but he made me think since he often wrote about things from a completely different angle.
Maybe Wikipedia explains it:
Elliott @ 86
Only to loyal bushies, covering for their criminal bosses.
Ongoing furtherance of a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice in a federal investigation of the betrayal of a national security asset in wartime, directed and covered-up in the Oval Office.
Shorter me: Scooter’s payoff.
George Herbert Walker Bush’s Pardons & Commutations from August 14, 1989 to January 18, 1993.
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/bu.....uary181993
perris @ 72
I’d certainly hope that such broad pardons would not hold up, but I’ve never heard much argument that they wouldn’t.
Pardons are almost completely unchallengeable, and certainly will go unremarked if the 44th President subscribes to the “bygones” philosophy of the 42nd.
boxer @ 10
Because Libby was convicted of Obstruction of Justice, and the result of Bush’s commutation is Obstruction of Justice of the underlying investigation, which is a crime that could not be proven at the time, because Libby obstructed justice by lying. That’s why. Bush just committed a crime (not the commutation per se, but the result of the action) on top of a crime on top of an investigation.
Bush pardons would have no standing in a war crimes tribunal.
“bygones” should be BYGONES.
How long would it take for you to raise $250,ooo to pay off a fine? Wilson called the fine “chump change”
fdl reader @ 99
Meaning…?
This is just more of the same crap this bunch has been spewing since it stole the 2000 election. Remember Angler? Last week Shooter was the the horse-head in the bed, and then, presto-chango, it’s the Commander guy in new plumage, Commutator guy, saving Scooter from Justice! Coincidence? I don’t think so. Smells like more from KKKarl. This was planned before Libby went to trial. It’s the same old shell game, with the WH supplying the beans, and the stooges of the beltway providing the sleight-of-hand.
The only way that we get rid of them is by taking to the streets. Dems are not going to impeach. They just have not got the guts, and it goes against their political instincts. I really believe this. They want some of the new powers that Bush has carved out for themselves, and their moneyed masters don’t want an impeachment. They like the new rules, where lobbyists run government agencies. More of the same is what they are paying for, and not many Dems are willing to bite the hand. Until there is public funding for elections, nothing but people power is going to change the way things are done in DC.
bygones- BYG ONES
fdl reader @ 99
Bygones should be bye Gonz, bye Cheney, bye Bush, bye Addington, bye Hadley, and on and on….