I have a confession. I used to read and enjoy The New Republic, and especially someone who just called himself “TRB.” Was he another Digby? But I stopped reading TNR when some guy named Kinsley (now at Time) took over, and today I was reminded why.
Shorter Michael Kinsley: Scooter Libby should never have been prosecuted, let alone convicted, because he was the victim of an unfair “perjury trap,” just as Bill Clinton was. You see, poor Scooter was put in this unfair position where if he told the truth, he and/or Dick Cheney, Rove, et al might have been indicted for outing a covert agent, and if he refused to tell the truth, he could be indicted for perjury and obstruction. How unfair to be put in such a position.
So if I get the “logic” of this, if someone betrays the United States by exposing national security secrets, he/she should not be questioned about this, because that would put the traitor in the trapped position of being prosecuted for perjury or prosecuted for treason. How unfair.
Shorter Kinsley II: Scooter should never have been prosecuted, because it’s unclear an underlying crime was involved. [Oh, please; read the Judge's opinions!]
Shorter Kinsley III: Scooter should never have been prosecuted, because even if he “leaked” to a reporter, reporters should be protected from revealing sources, so there’s no balance between the two parties to the leak; if reporters are protected, it’s unfair to charge the leaker.
Aside from the obvious disconnect between a reporter’s responsibilities and those of a government official who is statutorily obligated by criminal law to protect exactly this type of national security secret, what happens if Kinsley’s logic confronts this scenario:
Suppose Libby and Cheney held a public rally on the Washington mall and announced over the PA to the assembled neocons that Valerie Plame was a covert agent. Even Kinsley would (one hopes) recognize that both should be prosecuted. But if the two of them hatched a plot to launder the same information though Michael Kinsley (or Judith Miller, or indirectly via an unthinking third official — Armitage, Fleischer — to Novak/Cooper) who then publishes exactly the same information for them, then Kinsley’s logic says no one should be prosecuted for outing a US spy.
This is what passes for reasoned opinion by the Beltway’s elite punditry. But then, what did we expect from a man who (like most of his colleagues), in explaining the “facts” of the Libby case, can’t bother to get them straight — as in not being able to grasp the underlying crime, or in failing to explain Libby’s and Cheney’s role in uncovering and making sure Plame’s identity was circulated to everyone, including Novak — because, you know, that would have required him to actually read the judge’s opinions or what the real experts have explained, over and over. And that’s asking too much, because the leading experts are just girls and, even worse, DFH bloggers. But then, why didn’t he check out these experts or this one, or even these guys? Will the New York Times invite any of these experts to rebut Kinsley’s nonsense?
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Ola
What did Scooter Libby say after Prez Bush commuted his prison sentence?
Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!
http://www.correntewire.com/mein_fuhrer_i_can_walk
Michael Kinsley must be off his meds to write this type of Broderesque tripe.
Fitzwalton!
“Caw…CAW!”
EPU’d from previous thread.
“In light of yesterday’s announcement by the President that he was commuting the prison sentence for Scooter Libby, it is imperative that Congress look into presidential authority to grant clemency, and how such power may be abused,” Conyers said in a statement released to RAW STORY Tuesday night. “Taken to its extreme, the use of such authority could completely circumvent the law enforcement process and prevent credible efforts to investigate wrongdoing in the executive branch.”
If the situation was as Kinsley says, the Constitution provides an escape hatch: the 5th Amendment. If Libby feared that he would implicate himself with truthful testimony, he could have taken the 5th.
I’m awfully glad I don’t have the slightest inclination to even think about searching out and reading right wing talking points.
I wonder exactly who they are trying to convince, each other?
Because apparently this low level citizen knows more about the case than that idjit.
It is true that for public officials- there IS a perjury trap in that they really can’t afford to take the fifth- even though it’s their right- so they are forced testify. They don’t HAVE to lie of course- Clinton could have said “Well I DID get a few blow jobs from that woman- Monica Lewinsky- but that’s ALL”. We know why he DIDN’T do this- and we know why Scooter didn’t confess to what many prosecutors would possibly have considered a crime either- he might have been sent up the river for an even longer period.
Are we spending to much time on Libby? I can hear Rove laughing. The issue is not Libby’s commutation. The issue is why his sentence was commuted. Bush’s action, was and is, a direct signal to all those who are or will be pressured into rolling over or taking deals. He’s telling them he’s got their back. They won’t even have to serve any time, much less wait for a pardon. This issue, as it pertains to Libby personally is over. I guess we can all go on making a big stink about “injustice”, but we’ve been doing that since 2000. We are stuck on a dead issue when we need to be focused on who’s next, the people Bush telegraphed this message to, and make them a better deal. Then we can continue onto Gonzo and Cheney,and actually make something happen. Drop Libby he’s a waste of time. It’s like Repubs. going on and on about Mark Rich, people were mad for about 3 days and it hasn’t been on the radar since (until now).
boxer @ 10
But… it’s been a long hard slog?
Are we in the last throes?
David Brooks is spewing the same screed. The shock troops have been mobilized.
boxer @ 10
It is just a coincidence, albeit a bizarre one, that Scooter Libby was Marc Rich’s attorney, the one who solicited Rich’s pardon, right? The law is just a convenient tool for the Libby’s of this country, to be used when they are convenient, and ignored with impunity when they’re not!
Not to mention that if Shorter Whatsisname II is true, then shorter whatsisname I clearly does not apply.
boxer
Don’t agree. It was pretty clear that Bush would keep Libby out of jail and that he would pay a price- not perhaps a huge price- but a price. Now the trick is to make certain that he pays it. Whatever can be done to keep the story alive for a few more weeks helps accomplish that.
Nothin much will happen- but it will chip away a bit at whatever reputation for decency this fuckwad has left.
Bush commandeered the commuter lane for use by his personal HOV (High Outrage Vandalism).
Long ago Kinsley wrote a column about how Cooper & Miller should not have resisted the subpoena. Clearly someone got to him.
Clearly liberal, or allegedly liberal, pundits are under tremendous pressure to legitmize this decision to at least persuade the American people to acquiess in it.
Che’s Lounge @ 12
Yes. I thought his article was very close
to defamation of Wilson’s character…
rwcole @ 15
Wish that were the case. Do really think that this was some type of blunder? This was completely calculated and I think most people are falling right into line. Rove always leads with a head fake.
Che’s Lounge @ 12
There is nothing like driftglass to make one chuckle at the complete inanity of teh Bobo. And this one leaves a sizable mark.
Kinsley is another baby splitting, pewling shitheel.
There is dried out husk of a Rove pod somewhere in Kinsley’s house.
Must protect the ruling elite, must protect the ruling elite.
-GSD
Alice @ 17
Interesting, isn’t it? Apparently, this decision isn’t being swallowed so quietly as had been hoped.
broken record alert, this happened in part because our media is in the hands of corrupt men.
OT but tempus fugit.
See this post about making a $61 donation in honor of Junior’s 61st birthday tomorrow (July 6).
The lovely Laura beseeched individual members of the herd to make a $61 donation on behalf of W to the Republican Party.
No, no, no. Here’s a better idea. Let’s all make a $61 donation to anything BUT the Republican Party, including FDL (I was not paid to say that), your progressive candidate or cause of choice. Be sure they understand that this is your way of acknowledging Junior’s disservice to the country.
As you were, and thanks.
Well, I pissed and moaned and shouted at the TV and cussed so loud the dogs ran for cover when King George’s latest dictum was announced…like a lot of folks did.
The area where I live in Colorado is a bastion of neo-con rethuglicans but amazingly on guardrails lining the mountain roads there is hastily scrawled white latex graffiti proclaiming IMPEACH BUSH.
Is it a lone wolf howling…or is there a pack forming?
Lou Costello @ 5
Cracking me up.
LBrowne @ 22
I hope you are right.
Good afternoon, everyone. Been gone most of the day. Did you save the world while I was gone?
“Wish that were the case. Do really think that this was some type of blunder? This was completely calculated and I think most people are falling right into line. Rove always leads with a head fake.”
Don’t understand what you are saying WHAT is a “headfake”? Which people are falling right into line? How?
I don’t get it.
Someone help me here. This group of semi-”liberals” – is it laziness, the peergroup (the Georgetown cocktail parties?), the perceived need for access? Is it conscious? Why does thought or investigation stop at a certain point?
LBrowne @ 22
It iw worth noting that another so-called liberal, Alan Dershowitz, was enlisted as one of the amici illuminati to help support Libby’s claim that Fitzgerald’s appointment was improper.
Michael Kinsley is the very epitome of a man whose livelihood depends on not getting it.
Fern @ 14
yep, but I thought expecting consistency would be piling on.
Dershowitz fell off the deep end some time ago.
Scarecrow @ 28
Yep but not in very good condition…. sorry
barbara @ 24
I like this idea, and i wasn’t paid to say it either.
This really IS a bizarre column…It’s TRUE that public officials – for whom the fifth amendment means the end of their careers- are in a special bind during ANY criminal investigation- but this fuckhead then concludes that therefore they shouldn’t be investigated- cause if they admit their crime they go to jail and if they lie- they might go to jail….His argument will work for ANY crime- so they should NEVER be investigated for ANYTHING…
Dumbest column I’ve read for —oh- fifteen minutes or so.
Kinsley attempts to exalt any communication with journalists, for any reason, beyond that of any privilege recognized at law. Solicitor-client privilege is about the highest one recognized in court except for state secrets, and even then, the fact that something is said between a lawyer and client does not necessarily make it automatically privileged – the criminal purpose exception, for example. And, if there is something that is solicitor-client privileged, such as a confession by the client, the lawyer cannot pretend it didn’t happen – if Kinsley confessed to me that he murdered someone, or say that he violated the IIPA by deliberately exposing the identity of a CIA agent who was “stationed” in Tehran undercover as a member of the Supreme Council, I would not ethically be able to defend him by suggesting and presenting evidence in court that somebody else exposed the agent. But apparently, in Kinsley world, reporters are under no such constraints, and can allow themselves to be willing tools of their “sources”. The 1st Amendment rights of reporters to shield anyone who tells them anything, and then the right of such reporters to use such information as they wish in the public sphere, no matter whether they believe it or not, or actually know it to be false or dangerous, is absolute, while the right to counsel in the same Bill of Rights is full of ethical limitations. Journalism calls itself a “profession”, but in contrast to my profession, no journalist ever seems to be disbarred for unethical conduct. Rather, they get vacation homes in Nantucket.
I watched Fitz’s speech to the class of 2007
at Amherst College.
What a gem.
How can anyone label him as a “runaway prosecutor”?
I hope… he has something hidden in his bag
of tricks to outsmart these thugs…
rwcole @ 29
To keep everyone discussing how unjust the commutation was instead of looking at the message it sends and the timing. Think US Atty scandal, missing e-mails. Things that might make a difference. Libby is issue de jeur on purpose – bank on it.
Jeralyn posted a link to a site that lists Bush’s record on pardons.
http://www.rehabilitated.org/pardon_d…..1_2007.htm
Alice @ 17
I remember this as well. He was criticized for his stance at the time, he among all of the pundits ridiculed the great gnashing of teeth about journalists being required to testify in a criminal case. He seemed to understand that the outcry turned the entire meaning of journalistic privilege on its head. Your conclusion is the only one that makes sense. He has completely turned his own logic inside out.
fartsinsleep @ 26
There are tons of “Impeach Bush” shirts available over at cafepress.com
Fellow members of the pack might consider wearing “Impeach Bush” shirts – so we can identify one another – and to make a point to the public at large that there are many who feel this way. We are not alone.
boxer @ 19
It seems to be resonating with the public, which makes it valuable. I don’t think this is a Rove head fake. I think it is Bush covering his and Cheney’s respective butts. If Scooter went to jail, Scooter might talk.
Driftglass.
Damn.
-GSD
Karl said this was on double deep dish, (with pepperoni) background, and I said OK I will refer to you as “a former illegal alien hired by Republicans”. He said that guys like me were in what Total Information Awareness calls, the “reality-based community”. And this has been defined by David Addington, as dirty hippies who believe that solutions emerge from the judicious study of the New Weenie World Order. Karl then said carefully “That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, a weenie empire. And Cheney is our Emperor. You are not an empire, because we are an empire. When we act, we act like empires. We overact and over react and cry. Especially Scooter cries. We create our own reality. And while you study that reality — judiciously, as you liberals who hate America, will — we’ll act again, creating other new weenie realities, such as David Broder and Michael Kinsley. You can study Sally Quinn too, if you dare. But you try to study me, then Bill Frist or Ann Coulter will be visiting your cat…ha…ha. The faith based community and the K-Street Lobbyist community are history’s great actors…Ronald Reagan, John Wilkes Booth, Tucker Carlson and the guy from the Love Boat. And you, you stupid, left wing, do-gooders, you mock us at your own risk. All of you godless, secular humanists, will be left, to just study what we do. But if you do learn anything, such as how ‘Scooter’ got his nickname, we will rendition you with extreme prejudice, to an undisclosed location.”
GSD @ 45
Full Nelson.
Hola
^_^
LS @ 1
Rank has it’s privilege.
Bay State Librul @ 39
I don’t think Fitz has any bag of tricks. It is like the movie Z, the prosecuter did his job, but the political culture is so sick his work is being undone.
Unless of course we can rally support.
The establishment doesn’t realize they are approaching the edge of a cliff.
They won’t know it or believe it until they hear the whistling in their ears.
-GSD
correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t there charges and counts that can still be preferred once this president is out of office?
Clinton should not have been asked to answer a question about having sex with Monica Lewinsky in a civil suit when the question was not material to the case….
That’s a LONG ways from sayin that Scooter should not have been asked questions about a crime that he was suspected of having committed- perjury trap or no…This fuckhead has just concluded that suspected criminals should never be questioned about their alleged crimes. Incredible….
Man is the thinking animal- but his THINKER leads him into the shoals more often than not- where he is pounded to death by the consequences of his own piss poor thinking.
Regardless of the punditry, this Presidential action offends the most fervent Law and Order conservatives, and may, if handled properly, provide a real foothold toward impeachment.
(just my .02)
janda @ 44
No one risks their life, when they know a pardon is waiting. Libby would have never talked – think Ollie North. I do partially agree with you. If you go back and follow my comments, you will see that the reason this was done was to send a message to the people who are being talked to now – no jail if you keep quiet – this is what we should focus on.
boxer — I don’t think you [can] accuse either me or this site of ignoring the issue of why Bush did this. Just scroll through the posts from the last few days. But I think it’s also important not to let those who keep spinning confusion get away with it — that’s a huge part of the problem we have.
I could have easily taken another article from Wednesday’s NYT, in which the reporters provided a free forum for long-time Bush apologist to spin the story such that the noble Bush spent weeks thinking this through, consulting with experts, reviewing the record, etc, etc. But then you asked youself: Did they go back and try to find out, let alone report, how the leak occurred in the first place? Who dug out Plame’s name? How as it distributed? What care was taken in protecting the security of her status and her cover/assets? And why wasn’t all of this exposed and dealt with three years ago. The reports simply gave us Bush spin, and never asked why, if they were doing such a terrific job of going through the merits of Libby’s conviction, none of these questions came out. Pitiful.
OT
Come smoke some Herb with me.
fartsinsleep @ 25
Slightly OT, but apparently. At least if Sicko can spontaneously cause a posse to form in Texas.
boxer @ 40
What makes you think that nothing is being done by the Senate and House on these issues? Because we’re not talking about them every day? Or the corporate owned media are not covering them? Which they have rarely done at all anyway?
This is exactly the type of issue that DOES resonate with the fifty to sixty per cent of the world who get their news in sound bites from the networks. It is a highly visible issue that goes to the multi-tiered system of justice between the vast majority of us vs the inside the beltway, well-connected crowd.
All the various issues are important whether it is the US Attorneys, Lorna Doone and using the GSA to promote Republicans, Plame and lying us into war. But Scooter Libby getting a “Get out of jail free” card from the president hits the gut where people most understand. NO need for coming up with simple explanations as to why something should be important to everyone. They can see and feel this one as they know people who have been in these positions and NOT gotten extra favorable consideration.
Perris
Well a prosecutor could certainly charge Scoots with the ORIGINAL crime and send him to trial…unless Bush totally innoculates him on the way out the door.
It’s like Ole 60 Grit claiming that a crime is a only a crime when there is an admission of guilt.
We must begin constantly, constantly ridiculing these people for their absurdity.
Also, is there a way to allow those who no longer want to drink the Kool-Aid an escape hatch?
-GSD
boxer @ 10
Baloney.
boxer @ 55
I don’t disagree that we can’t lose focus of all of the other issues as well. But the public understands this one, and it has the potential to help provide traction for all of the other investigations. Any chink in the armor is good as long as we use it to gain momentum for the bigger goal.
perris @ 52
Not if Bush gives them plenary pardons.
So, when does Scooter’s job at the American Enterprise Institute begin? Paul Wolfowitz probably could use an assistant with a good background in loyalty issues.
My best friend had a roommate at Harvard by the name of Michael Kinsley. Same guy.
Friend claims Kinsley was the most over-privileged guy he had ever met. Also claims Kinsley was dumber than a bag of hammers.
How Kinsley ever came to be called a “liberal’ is beyond my comprehension.
wigwam @ 64
Call it pulling a “Fletcher”.
Americans understand the Libby deal. It’s important.
Scarecrow @ 56
Correct. I’m not critizing, just trying to keep people looking at things from all angles.
GSD @ 61
And earlier this week she claimed that “Clinton admitted to perjury.” (And Tweety didn’t call her on it.)
Joe Wilson with Amy Goodman, they discuss the Libby commutation. Great Interview at Democracy Now
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..05/1415239
Wilson “The President is corrupt to the core, and his administration is corrupt from the top to the bottom”
Froomkin is up: WHAT WAS BUSH THINKING?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1
rwcole @ 60
I think the president can’t really inoculate a person in some kind of prophylactic pardon
yes ford did it, but I can’t believe it would hold up
though with Roberts and alito…who knows…they would all of a sudden find their penitent for residence
*xyz @ 43
To give you an idea of why Democrats keep a low profile in this area of the state just remember the words of the judge that sentenced Alfred Packer after he was convicted of cannabalism, “there’s only 8 Democrats in Park County and you ate four of them!”
Sometimes ya gotta act like a ‘good German’ did in 1942! It ain’t easy when the State holds your work license AND State law precludes you from running for public office!
Simmering, that’s what this country is doing, just simmering.
wigwam @ 64
see my comment on 72
The best way to squeeze juice out of this issue is the point out that thousands are in jail for doin EXACTLY what Scoots was convicted of doing- so if Scoots was sentenced excessively- all the other thousands must be let free. There is NO defense against this argument- NONE. Create a list of names and wave it in Clusterfuck’s face everytime he shows his face. “Free these people who have been excessively punished Mr. President- cause according to YOU even ONE day in prison is too much for perjury and obstruction.”
the fact that Libby’s ‘relief’ may signal protection to other conspirators is the VERY reason why questions must be asked and every detail must be examined: in doing so those who are counting on Bush’s ’special’ extra-executive powers will feel less and less secure in their silence.
letting it stand lets Bush’s plan proceed unmolested.
Kinsley? A long time ago I respected this person. That’s not the case now.
What PlameGate truly reveals is how thoroughly corporations have penetrated government and the media (of course, big business owns both). As government twists the Constitution into a pretzel to serve their corporate masters, the media must invent increasingly unbelievable bullshit, the gist of which is ‘everything’s ok, nothing to see, just move along.”
It’s not Republicans that piss me off anymore – a fascist is a fascist is a fascist.
It’s Democratic Quislings.
Ed- Scoots already HAS a job with a neo-fascist organization.
janda @ 63
I argee, the public understands this one. That brings up the question I keep asking. Are we to believe that this was not factored into Rove’s consideration of when this was done? You don’t have to be a political genius to know people would be outraged. That’s why I keep saying we need to look behind this.
Is Bush giving out pardons or indulgences?
Gawd. Have you ever seen a more corrupt bunch of thugs in your life than the Bush outfit? And the GOP is offering us Rudy the G as their best of the best.
boxer @ 10
FYI – Boxer made the identical comment in an earlier thread. Curious, isn’t it, all this protesting?
Trying to disseminate a concern troll message perhaps?
Focusing on Libby is not a waste of time. Period
It all comes back to the lies that led to war, and the lies that were told to cover up the lies.
Libby’s treason is one of the administration’s greatest vulnerabilities and we will not forget it.
Bay State Librul @ 82
He wouldn’t know the difference but doing this makes him feel “kingly.”
Bay State Librul @ 82
a bit of both, I believe.
George W. Bush. Bad parenting (Babs and Poppy) in action.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
LOL as she tries to clean the water from her keyboard
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
BTW, if you want to give somoene background on this matter, I recommend refering them to Thom Hartmann’s artcile. It’s excellent.
Just in case they pissed you off enough…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Used to read him on Slate. Often disagreed, but he made me think since he often wrote about things from a completely different angle.
Maybe Wikipedia explains it:
Elliott @ 86
Only to loyal bushies, covering for their criminal bosses.
Ongoing furtherance of a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice in a federal investigation of the betrayal of a national security asset in wartime, directed and covered-up in the Oval Office.
Shorter me: Scooter’s payoff.
George Herbert Walker Bush’s Pardons & Commutations from August 14, 1989 to January 18, 1993.
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/bu…..uary181993
perris @ 72
I’d certainly hope that such broad pardons would not hold up, but I’ve never heard much argument that they wouldn’t.
Pardons are almost completely unchallengeable, and certainly will go unremarked if the 44th President subscribes to the “bygones” philosophy of the 42nd.
boxer @ 10
Because Libby was convicted of Obstruction of Justice, and the result of Bush’s commutation is Obstruction of Justice of the underlying investigation, which is a crime that could not be proven at the time, because Libby obstructed justice by lying. That’s why. Bush just committed a crime (not the commutation per se, but the result of the action) on top of a crime on top of an investigation.
Bush pardons would have no standing in a war crimes tribunal.
“bygones” should be BYGONES.
How long would it take for you to raise $250,ooo to pay off a fine? Wilson called the fine “chump change”
fdl reader @ 99
Meaning…?
This is just more of the same crap this bunch has been spewing since it stole the 2000 election. Remember Angler? Last week Shooter was the the horse-head in the bed, and then, presto-chango, it’s the Commander guy in new plumage, Commutator guy, saving Scooter from Justice! Coincidence? I don’t think so. Smells like more from KKKarl. This was planned before Libby went to trial. It’s the same old shell game, with the WH supplying the beans, and the stooges of the beltway providing the sleight-of-hand.
The only way that we get rid of them is by taking to the streets. Dems are not going to impeach. They just have not got the guts, and it goes against their political instincts. I really believe this. They want some of the new powers that Bush has carved out for themselves, and their moneyed masters don’t want an impeachment. They like the new rules, where lobbyists run government agencies. More of the same is what they are paying for, and not many Dems are willing to bite the hand. Until there is public funding for elections, nothing but people power is going to change the way things are done in DC.
bygones- BYG ONES
fdl reader @ 99
Bygones should be bye Gonz, bye Cheney, bye Bush, bye Addington, bye Hadley, and on and on….
wow. you stopped reading TNR in 1979? well done.
i never subscribed, but i had a boss who did… and marty peretz’s anti-muslim, anti-arab bigotry made me sick.
No disrespect to the integrity of the thread intended, but I don’t know where
or when else to post these items …
Does anybody else wake up in the small AM hours worrying and thinking? Here
are some recent worries.
1) It is hard to focus on more than one issue (read, thread) at a time on FDL
and on any given issue for more than the life of one thread, unless the issue
is resurrected by a subsequent post on the subject.
2) Net equality: How is it to be implemented, and have the people who are
driving it run the idea by the people who know how the Internet actually
works? Two possible consequences of sorting access to sites according to
whether sites have or have not paid money for Internet access: a. traffic is
slowed more than anybody expected, and b. the extra layer of inspection is
available to be used for espionage, denial of service, and propaganda.
3) The recently reported deaths of millions of previously common field birds.
On 1): Would it be a good idea to institute a ‘wiki’ on a blog site, e.g., on
FDL? Each topic of interest could have its own page, and that page could be
updated and commented upon by knowledgeable, inventive people. Tactics could
be developed. Information could be archived, somewhat in the manner of the
TPM archives, but perhaps in a handier format. Perhaps progress would be made
in refining thinking and planning. Knowledge and ideas would be preserved
from day to day, week to week.
On 2): Presumably “net INequality” is to be implemented by an additional
layer of protocol in the routers that, after deciding where a packet is to be
sent, then also decides what priority to attach to that packet, based on an
urgency-index: the more a site pays for urgency, the more packets headed
for that site are allowed to ‘bump’ other packets with lower urgency-indices.
Has anyone looked at whether this will mean that a certain fraction of packets
will NEVER be transmitted? (”Never” could mean anything from a second to 10
minutes to days; even delays of a second on every packet could mean that your
downloads, which were going so nicely with your new cable connection, now
proceed at dial-up speeds, because the roadhogs to and from commercial sites
keep shoving your packets to the side of the road, as it were.)
Second, this extra layer of protocol is also a wonderful place to insert all
kinds of fields indicating categories of interest beyond whether someone has
paid money for “roadhog privileges” in the toobz. What is to prevent some
agency from installing a list with a “political-correctness-index” for each
site in place of or in addition to the “roadhog index”? Does this pose a
greater risk of misuse than currently possible blocking o
f packets based on
knowledge of their addresses?
Has this idea been run past the experts in the form of an RFC? (They still
use RFCs, don’t they?)
On 3): Perhaps the recently reported deaths of millions of previously common field
birds are due to the disappearance of insects. Specifically, whippoorwills are
nightjars and nightjars eat moths; large moths were common in my uncle’s
boyhood, rare in mine, and are almost non-existent now; whippoorwills starve.
Bobwhites have largely disappeared; never considered it before, but perhaps
bobwhites have always been largely insectivorous; with heavy pesticide
spraying, bobwhites’ prey has disappeared, and so bobwhites have starved, too.
Conclusion: there is an ongoing collapse of insect populations, far beyond
honeybees.
SeamusD @ 102
Taking to the streets and do what?
We need to put Scooter in a cage with an amorous bear and give Valerie and Joe Wilson prodding sticks.
Boxer, I don’t think the real issue is being missed at all and it is exactly why everyone is so outraged. Go look at all of the statements linked to from Pelosi’s page The consistent theme is that the commutation represents a failure to uphold the rule of law. That is all that is required for impeachment and they are working their way there. I’m surprised, and not getting my hope up too much, but they are really really pissed.
Kathleen @ 100
To Libby it is. He is a wealthy man; just imagine the fees Marc Rich paid him for his work to obtain the Clinton pardon. He’s likely been paid more than that by the wingnut welfare Hudson Institute, which hired him immediately upon his departure from the White House.
rwcole @ 103
OB-GYNs?
“Perjury trap.” Sounds like a fancy way of saying that when you’re between a rock and a hard place, you might as well come up with a lie. What’s wrong with the truth???
And when the truth means you have to admit you did wrong…. well, at least bite the bullet and don’t multiply the wrongs.
How easily these folks just want to make things up and then when they’re caught blame the fact that they were in tough spot.
Well, the rest of us are in one hell of a tough spot too – and we didn’t lie to get here!
From Talking Points Memo
Great moments in the rule of law. From today’s press briefing …
Question: Scott, is Scooter Libby getting more than equal justice under the law? Is he getting special treatment?
Scott Stanzel: Well, I guess I don’t know what you mean by equal justice under the law.
Ahhhh, that really does sum it up, don’t it?
My wife tells me that I have a one-track mind.
Impeach Bush and the nightmare will be over.
She’s right…
I return from reading another fine Greenwald article. so much reality, so little change, however.
one commenter hit the nail on the head: if Congress continues to do nothing, they have commuted Bush’s sentence.
IOW, no consequences for this administrations utter lawlessness.
Behindthefall 106:
You can’t save the world all at the same time, but you can eat an elephant one bite at a time.
mmm… pretzels…
From Froomkin’s questions list we have…. litigatormom!!!!
Froomkin
Today Froomkin got lots of readers to respond to his questions in Tuesday’s column for reporters to ask Snowjob at the next presser. My favorite:
Why won’t the president/administration issue a public, written apology for the damage done to Valerie Plame and her family? They praised Scooter Libby as having provided years of public service. What about someone who worked behind the scenes to ensure the security of the country and is then forced out due to the malicious acts of administration officials? (Will Stroup)
TheraP @ 111
Yeah, the word “trap” really works hard to absolve these creeps from the consequences of their choices, teh circumstances of their own making…victim! victim!
LS @ 115
Yeah, but why do I get mental indigestion every night? At least it seems to be a different topic each time.
Bob Geiger’s Column:GOP Senators Who Voted For Clinton Impeachment Dead Silent On Libby
Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) was aghast. He was indignant as hell about how having a high public official involved in something like perjury and obstruction of justice can damage the very foundation on which our nation was built…
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/…..inton.html
The 25 GOP Senators Who Voted Guilty Twice On Clinton
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/…..twice.html
Pete Bogs @ 116
Ever try pretzels and Score chocolate bar..together…OMG
TSF,
Does anybody know what Libby is doing at the Hudson Institute or how much he’s making? Has the job started already? I somehow missed that he got hired somewhere.
1. Mr. Boxer seems to think that the commutation was to “encourage” the silence of others. I’m not so sure. I’m more inclined to agree with the view of the good Ms. Hamsher. This was done to stop Libby from talking with the authorities. I suspect that the “word” had gotten back to the WH that Libby would pee his pants if he spent even one day in jail.
2. Is Mr. Kinsley a newly admitted member of the L*k*d-First party?
Ghostman
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LBrowne @ 101
I mean we cannot let every new administration just wipe the slate clean or do what ford did for nixon: we see that the repercussions come back over and over again. So no more ‘bygones’ and moving on to new (verrsions of the old) crimes!
Speaker Pelosi. Go after Cheney. Like in impeachment.
behindthefall @ 120
A kind of PTSD…hypervigilence, lack of sleep, anxiety, etc.
LS @ 104
… and all that too!
Perhaps Bush should just issue blanket pardons to everyone in his administration before he leaves office. Of course Cheney presents a peculiar problem. Because we are not sure who Mr. Dick works for.
I keep waiting for the stuff to hit the fan.
do-si-do @ 119
Yes indeed, it’s a trap, a trap to catch criminals — those are people who commit crimes. In other words, it’s people who commit crimes who fall into that trap and that’s the way we catch them. Hee hee hee.
Forgot about this just for a while….Kenneth Pollack US Gov 1 in A*p*c/Rosen espionage case
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..astan.html
Where is Pollack now?
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Oklahoma kiddo @ 129
I know what you mean
and wait
and wait
Well, here’s the latest “look at that shiny object.” WH accuses Clintons of hypocrisy on Libby. Link.
I see Christy got the Froomkin nod today:
in jest only: let bygones be buy guns.
Justin Raimando on Libby being above the law
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11236
BYGONES??
weren’t he a general fer the british durin’ the revolution?
Tucker all protective and hyperventilating about the guy with the knife who was arrested near Obama’s hotel. Thinks the guy’s civil rights were violated.
these people creep me out.
OK kiddo # 129
As long as you’re not standing on the downwind (outgoing) side of the fan at the time of the event (I like the phrase Charles Stross used: ‘faeco-ventilatory intersection’.)
And hurray for litigatormom!
Taking to the streets and do what?
Impeach this WH. End the Bush Administration! Force Congress to impeach Cheney & Bush.
What ended the Vietnam War? Politicians will tell you that they did, but really it was the huge demonstrations by millions of Americans who had decided that the war had to end, and that in order to end it, they had to put their feet where their convictions were. This Congress was given a mandate, the clearest mandate in memory, end this war. They have not done so, and show no signs of ever doing so. If this country is to survive this president, we need to impeach him, and Congress in not going to do it unless they are forced. Millions of Americans marching together really gets their attention. How much are you willing to risk to get rid of this cancer on the Constitution? If people won’t then America as I knew it is already gone. I do not recognize this country as the one I grew up in. I would take to the streets again in order to end this nightmare.
AZ Matt @ 133
The Footnote is just remarkable
Has Fitz taken up Walton’s suggestion yet?
Scarecrow @ 134
Clinton had sex with a f*****g intern, these bastards outed a covert agent causing damage to our National Security. There is NO comparison. Why doesn’t someone in the MSM point that shit out?
Scarecrow @ 135
And I accuse the WH of hypocrisy on Libby.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 131
I am beginning to think it’s not going to happen. The past six years make the Nixon era seem quaint. Nothing seems to get traction with the “middle-third” of the public. There is no “feel in the air” as there was with H2O-gate..probably because the criminals control the MSM and the message.
Vanunu jailed again
http://www.thenews.com.pk/dail…..p?id=62901
Kathleen @ 138
Note his closing:
AZ Matt @ 144
Good for him but was he wearing his jammies?
Paging DC Madam, paging DC Madam…let’s get this show on the road.
American Idolator @ 108
For whom, Scooter or the bear?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 130
You mean like his Dad did?
Today’s talking point, Clinton, yawn….wake me up with DC Madam releases some phone numbers…
fdl reader @ 145
Ah, yes, but Bubba is always such a convenient excuse and distraction.
fdl reader @ 125
LS @ 148
Do you really think that’ll ever happen?
I mean, I wish
but…
tbsa @ 144
I think Matthews has tried to, but the MSM needs to step up to the plate on this issue. Will not be holding my breath!
realworld @ 152
We need to print portions of his perverted pedophile writings all over the net. Mary Matlin lets her children near that man???
Gimme a break. Talk about sicko, he’s clearly a sicko, in addition to being a convicted Felon.
Elliott @ 156
It could happen.
Freddy was a baaad boy:
Freddy the Mole!
Kathleen @ 138
Justin:
In commuting Scooter Libby’s sentence so that the vice president’s former chief of staff won’t spend a minute in jail, the president is sending a message, one that, while going out to multiple recipients, consists of a sentiment succinctly summed up in two words: Screw you!
Raw power dished up Machiavelli-style is the identifying mark of the Office of the Vice President.
realworld @ 152
We don’t condone cruelty to anyone. The bear’s reaction to this idea:
Suzanne Malveaux needs to go. All she’s doing is spewing anti-Democratic propaganda. She is so much worse than Wolf, and that is saying something.
The DC Madam’s records will be released. Here’s footnote 6 from the opinion:
Via Atrios.
Kathleen @ 155
here is the (empty) plate up to which the MSM has been stepping.
Ed*ard Teller @ 162
The MSM doesn’t even get the Rich pardon right..they always paint it a pardon for money..Bill Clinton said himself the Rich was pardoned because Israel ask for it. They really wanted Pollard pardoned and Rich was the second choice.
Did y’all hear that some guy named Irve Libby was Marc Rich’s pardon lawyer????
Pass it on!
behindthefall @ 121
This is really off topic, but it’s nagging at me.
Imagine if the afterlife had a Green Room where the Very Late Show guests would wait and chat.
Boston.com obituaries in the news
Jazz singers, musicians, a Pinochet hit man, and more.
TheOtherWA @ 166
And ABC/Disney is going to look like the tools/fools that they are when ALL the names come out. Remember when they hyped it and then all of a sudden there was nothing there?
This is from Bush’s 2nd inaugural address:
Do you think he had Valerie Plame in mind when he said this?
“A few Americans have accepted the hardest duties in this cause – in the quiet work of intelligence and diplomacy … the idealistic work of helping raise up free governments … the dangerous and necessary work of fighting our enemies. Some have shown their devotion to our country in deaths that honored their whole lives – and we will always honor their names and their sacrifice.“
He really has honored them hasn’t he…
Way off topic, but I just heard Tweety say that the big talk of Washington was that Joe Wilson would be testifying before the House next week… I hadn’t heard that yet…Anyone?
Here they are: The 25 Republican Senators still in office who voted for Clinton’s Impeachment. None have a word about Libby.
Wayne Allard (R-CO)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Kit Bond (R-MO)
Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Larry Craig (R-ID)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Pete Domenici (R-NM)
Mike Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Dick Lugar (R-IN)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Gordon Smith (R-OR)
George Voinovich (R-OH)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
Completely OT but I gotta ask a question concerning Big Al Gore:
Has Mr. Conservation divested himself of his Occidental Petroleum shares?
Sorry I didn’t ask sooner in the previous thread, but I’m in the middle of trying to get my 13 year old daughter to understand algebra problems she has to do before beginning high school in September.
In comparison to explaining algebra, finding answers for the wrongs Bushie boy has inflicted upon us seems sooo easy.
jmba @ 173
Doesn’t sound OT to me.
wigwam @ 70
Right. I was going to ask what the definition of “criminal” is in re the Scoots’ parole/supervised release. If a criminal is simply one who breaks the law, then the whole administration is out. But if “criminal” means convicted, well then.
1970cs @ 174
Shameless hypocrites.
Make them wear it. NO MORE BYGONES.
David Rifkin(?) on Hardball has created a new reality with two bright shiny objects. (1) Richard Armitage opposed the Iraq War. (2) Armitage despised the vice president.
Armitage is a neo-con. He signed the PNAC document.
Swopa has a new post upstairs.
Margot @ 169
Funny you should mention ‘the afterlife’; I spend my days writing a series of novels about the history of Mankind as experienced by a soul in his incarcations. Starts 1.5 millions years ago; at the moment, seems to have jumped up to Second Intermediate Period in ancient Egypt. Sometimes the English Romantics crop up. No publisher yet, but I’m thinking of reading it aloud and making it available on the Web.
FYI, new thread upstairs
Scooter Libby is a co-signer of the NeoCon Project for the New American Century. He knew damn well what the goals and objectives of everything Cheney was doing including lying outing Valerie Plame and lying his ass off. Everyone seems to forget that he had his own brain well into the fixing of intelligence around an invasion of Iraq, and the overall goals of the plan. It is inconceivable that he was some naif just doing what he was told.
james @ 175
I do not like bringing situations from pervious threads forward. As to algebra, I sometimes refer my high school math students to “Purple Math”.
http://purplemath.com/
behindthefall @106:
I’m bothered by the disappearance of the meadow birds too. Very bothered. If you go to the Audubon website, they have a list of the birds and you can listen to their calls (which is nice) and I think they also have suggestions for what actions people can take.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 185
How far east or west are you? I’m in the Northeast, and have neither seen nor heard a bobwhite or a whippoorwill since I was a kid!
I did see a group of bobolinks come through this spring, but they did not decide to stay, which was wise on their part, since the farmer cut the field before the birds (red-wings, for the most part) had gotten their youngsters out. (B*st*rd.)
He’s a complete whore and always has been.
This is the way the Beltway thinks and acts. It’s Omerta in action. They protect their own and tell America to go fuck itself.
fdl reader @ 77
I never advocated not asking questions and following up. I just believe we should use our resources wisely. There are some facts to come to grip with: Bush has the authority to do what he did. It cannot be undone. Libby’s sentence is commuted – period. There will never be any direct evidence linking Bush to any high crime or misdemeanor sufficient to convict him in the U.S. Senate under its current membership. We may, however be able to remove Gonzo and Cheney.
I’m not a big fan of Michael Kinsley, and this article is not exactly lucidly argued, but I have a hard time believing that scarecrow, or Bob Somerby over at the howler, or some of the posters here, actually read the same piece I read. Kinsley has been pretty consistent in arguing that reporters in cases like this SHOULD NOT be shielded from testifying, where their sources were at least arguably committing a crime in what they revealed to a reporter. Allow me to quote from Kinsley’s article:
“The crime, if there was one, was leaking government secrets to journalists. If you were investigating that crime, where would you start? Yes, of course, by questioning journalists. The government leakers, if you found them, would be protected by the Fifth Amendment. You would need more and different evidence, and only journalists had it.
The special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, followed this commonsense logic straight into a First Amendment buzz saw. News organizations that insisted on the need to get to the bottom of the leak also insisted that no journalist should have to supply information to this investigation.
The leaks that The Times and other papers defended so ardently were not laboratory examples of press freedom at work. Quite the opposite: they were part of the nefarious campaign by the vice president’s office to discredit Mr. Wilson — itself part of the larger plot to convince the world that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which was of course part of the plot to get us into the war in the first place. And it worked.”
All of that is unexceptionable to me. Judith Miller wasn’t defending any noble principle when she went to jail, she was protecting Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, and their campaign to discredit Joe Wilson and justify the dishonest case for invading Iraq. And that’s what Kinsley is SAYING. Why are you all slamming him for that? What Kinsley is ultimately saying is that the cozy set-up in Washington nowadays, where administration officials use their pets in the mainstream press to act as their agents in placing propaganda in the newspapers and news broadcasts, is THE PROBLEM, and IT IS. That’s way more important than whether Scootie goes to jail. To quote Kinsley again: “if journalists had a more reasonable view about this, the reporters whom Mr. Libby tried to peddle this story to would have said, “Look, outing C.I.A. agents is bad and we are not going to help you do it anonymously.” ” How can you disagree with that?
boxer @ 188
John Dean has been bringing this idea up for quite some time. His articles about this are at John Dean Findlaw. Impeach lower level officials in the Bush administration.
dude @ 183
Scooter Libby is up to his neck in Iraqi and American blood. He is not the fall guy he is a very serious criminal!
Herschel, I think you are correct. The point of Kinsley’s piece is that the government agents who leaked Plame’s information shouldn’t be the only ones who are the subject of investigation, when the journalists who received and spread the leaked information (Miller, Novak, Cooper) falsely hide behind the 1st amendment. Especially when those reporters were willingly, as Kinsley puts it, “part of the nefarious campaign by the vice president’s office to discredit Mr. Wilson.”
As I read it, Kinsley is ultimately asking why should Miller and Novak be able to dodge responsibility for their roles in outing a covert agent, when they knowingly went along with the “nefarious, though inept, campaign to sully Mr. Wilson?” Yes, he uses “nefarious” twice in the same article to describe the hit job by Cheney, Libby, Rove, Miller, Novak, et al.
Libby wasn’t the target. He was the obstacle, in the special prosecutor’s eyes.
As Froomkin wrote back in back in late May of this year on Fitz’s brief to the judge on sentencing:
Froomkin quoting Fitz:
Froomkin concluded: