The Scooter Libby question of the day is whether the Court can make Libby serve two years on supervised release as President Bush directed in his Executive Clemency Order, now that his prison sentence has been commuted. (For background, see Sentencing Law and Policy, Scotus Blog, Christy and TalkLeft.)
As we wait for Judge Walton’s decision on whether supervised release only can be imposed on defendants who have completed a prison sentence, let’s take a look at what supervised release is all about.
Supervised release made its debut in 1987 with the enactment of the Federal Sentencing Guidelines. It replaced federal parole for all crimes committed after November 1, 1987.
This was a big deal because under the parole system, people got a relatively big chunk of jail time cut from their sentence. Your sentence wasn’t over, parole just allowed you to serve the last 1/3 or 1/2 (or whatever) at home.
When the sentencing guidelines came in and parole was abolished, it brought a new way of calculating the amount of time you spend in prison. Under a guideline sentence, you serve it all except for good time which is limited to 54 days a year or roughly 85% of your sentence. And you don’t get any good time until you’ve served a full year.
Instead of being released from prison to serve the remainder of your sentence on parole, now you get released to begin a term of supervised release.
Unlike parole, a term of supervised release does not replace a portion of the sentence of imprisonment, but rather is an order of supervision in addition to any term of imprisonment imposed by the court.
It’s like a second sentence, one to supervision, which begins after your jail sentence ends. That’s why the law says supervised release follows a jail sentence, and why Judge Walton is concerned that if Libby doesn’t go to jail in the first instance, he can’t be put on supervised release when he gets out. (Judge Walton’s Order directing briefs on the issue is here.)
Let’s assume for the sake of argument that the Judge finds Libby can be put on supervised release even though his prison sentence was commuted. What does it mean for him? How does it affect his life?
It means he’s under the supervision of a probation officer and he has to follow rules and conditions set by the officer and the court. If he’s charged with violating these rules, he gets a hearing. If the Court finds at the hearing that he was in violation of the conditions, he is subject to having his supervised release revoked and being sent to jail. Or, the Judge could continue his supervised release but impose additional conditions, like home detention and electronic monitoring.
(Sometimes the Judge can modify and enlarge conditions of supervised release even if no violation occurs. There does need to be changed circumstances, and the enlarged conditions could include home detention or spending nights or weekends in jail.)
So what are these conditions? There are standard conditions of supervised release that apply to everyone. There also may be conditions individually tailored to a particular defendant. The Judge announces the conditions on the day of sentencing and they are set out in writing shortly thereafter in an Order called “Judgment in a Criminal Case.”
Any special conditions of supervised release must have some relationship to the crime the person was convicted of, his history and character or the need to deter crime or protect the offender or the public. The conditions must entail “no greater deprivation of liberty than is reasonably necessary” to provide adequate deterrence, to protect the public, and to meet the defendant’s vocational and medical needs.”
For example, in an embezzlement case, it’s not unusual to see a condition that the person can’t open new bank accounts or get a credit card without approval of their probaton officer. In a child porn case, a condition might be that the person can’t use the internet.
Libby’s terms of supervised release were set and announced by the Judge on the day he was sentenced. The Order is here (pdf). In addition to the general terms applicable to everyone, the Judge added two special conditions:
- He shall maintain full-time employment, the circumstances of which shall be in the discretion of the Probation Department, subject to the court’s review.
- He shall perform 400 hours of community service, “as approved and directed by the Probation Department.”
The standard conditions Libby will have to abide by include these (again, the full list is here (pdf):
- the defendant shall not leave the judicial district without the permission of the court or probation officer;
- the defendant shall report to the probation officer and shall submit a truthful and complete written report within the first five days of each month;
- the defendant shall answer truthfully all inquiries by the probation officer and follow the instructions of the probation officer;
- the defendant shall refrain from excessive use of alcohol and shall not purchase, possess, use, distribute, or administer any controlled substance or any paraphernalia related to any controlled substances, except as prescribed by a physician;
- the defendant shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity and shall not associate with any person convicted of a felony, unless granted permission to do so by the probation officer;
- the defendant shall permit a probation officer to visit him or her at any time at home or elsewhere
- the defendant shall provide access to any requested financial information.
As you can see, supervised release is no walk in the park. It’s a lot better than jail, but there are significant restrictions on your freedom.
What about the 400 hours of community service the Judge imposed? While President Bush said all of the Judge’s sentencing conditions should remain except the jail sentence, Judge Walton’s Order make it clear that the community service is a condition of his supervised release. So, if the supervised release goes, the community service may go as well.
That would be too bad as I was having a lot of fun imagining ways in which Libby could perform his service. Let’s pretend for a minute that the requirement stands. While Libby would be allowed to suggest his preferred form of community service, the final decision is up to the Probation Department.
My suggestion would be that Libby volunteer at Legal Aid, the Public Defender’s Office or a local jail. Let him learn first hand how regular folks are treated. Persons who don’t have a direct pipeline to the President.
What would your’s be?



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sorry but I don’t want this missed, it’s a carry over from downstairs…sorry about the ot;
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
we all know my theme here but let me repeat it again
habeas protection must be given a face…our face.
“I don’t want some appointed nut able to out me in jail and make up some crime that never existed just so he can make believe he has justification”
“if someone makes up garbage about me I better be able to prove they’re making it up…either to steal or to keep themselves out of trouble”
that’s what you need to do Christy, you have to put a face on it, put your face on it, put there face on it
that’s the only way to get even the puppets to understand what’s at stake
Welcome Jeralyn!
Will the Probation Department let him work for AEI?
motherlowman at 4 – I’m wondering if that might bump up against the requirement that he not consort with known felons. *g* Given how many of the various and sundry pardoned GHWB Iran Contra types get wingnut welfare and all…
When I read “shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity” my first thought was “no dinners at the Cheney household for Scooter.”
As for Scooter’s community service, I like the idea of him working with inmates in the jail, but given the legal opinions that came out of the OVP during his tenure as Chief of Staff, I would fear for the advice Scooter would give them.
I haven’t looked at the various articles but I cited this case a couple of days ago:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/const…..02/012.pdf
page 487
How about providing legal services for returning vets being denied benefits?
and now for for my on topic comment
Hi Jeralyn, a pleasure
I think community service should be as a nurses aid at a vets hositol…one that is caring for our wounded
I think first and foremost he should be prohibited from engaging in any political activities and prohibited from association with any government officials other than his probation officer.
That might put a kibosh on playing with the cheney pals!
stuck in DC and no fraternizing with criminal republicans, huh? now that’s a challenge. the law isn’t done with you libby.
I wish the probation officer better luck with that than Fitz had.
But it does raise an interesting question for this non-lawyer: are there limitations on what the probation officer can ask? “How much did President Bush know about the Plame leak? Why didn’t your lawyers put VP Cheney on the stand as they said they would?”
Probably just a dream, I know, but still . . .
Hehe, no trips to the Aspens to see how strong the roots are there w/o written permission? An ankle bracelet would be nice too.
Hugh @ 7
my bold…that exclusion precludes this commutation
Peterr @ 11
Maybe Mr. Fitzgerald could change jobs for a couple of years — become, you know, a probation officer?
Is Scooter getting tested for Drugs and alcohol? If so is it a regular test with each monthly visit or random tests? Will he be getting home visits from his parole officer. Is writting about Bears the way Scooter does illegal? Is it a parole violation?
During the days I was able to attend the Libby trial I stood outside the Prettyman Courthouse as Libby and his wife would exit. They were both cocky, arrogant and full of hubris. They posed for pictures everyday it was disgusting! They knew he would never do time.
The traitors who outed Plame walk free. This is a “solid as Iraq” example of the lack of commitment to real justice and truth in our nation.
The “rule of law” only applies to those who can not afford a savvy lawyer or do not have a “Libby Defense Fund” or an immoral and corrupt administration behind them!
“Rule of law” hogwash!
Hi, everyone and thanks for the welcome. A reader at TalkLeft yesterday in a comment on a related topic suggested:
It seems with these restrictions, Scooter can still get busted.
“shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity”
That pretty much puts him in solitary confinement doesn’t it?
Public Service? I think handing out meals at the local homeless shelter for a start. I like the leagal aid part though.
I do like the idea of perhaps having Mr. Libby assist in benefits issues for returning veterans, although he’d be precluded from giving legal advice if his law license is suspended. But he could certainly help disabled vets fill in forms and such.
And help their families look for housing. Sign up for food stamps. Help them with job rehabilitation assistance. Lots and lots of potential there…
the defendant shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity and shall not associate with any person convicted of a felony, unless granted permission to do so by the probation officer; cannot work at the WH…. or anywhere in DC or Texas or…..
Community service with disabled vets would be a good place to start.
mui @ 12
No need to go to Aspen to see how “strong” the roots are.
things come undone @ 15
No, the judge eliminated the drug-testing requirement for him.
Keynote speaker, 2008 GOP Presidential nominating convention
Let America see the reception accorded this traitor
perris @ 8
Great idea, but I’m still going w/the community service suggestion I had when Libby was sentenced- I know a public school in NOLA right outside the 9th Ward that needs a Plant Manager. Irving could be of real service & might learn something about how the “other half” lives, all the while wearing that stylin’ khaki shirt w/Scooter name tag & carrying a mop & pail all day :-)
Can’t associate with known felons what if Scooter knows the person is a felon, though not convicted?
Tuesday’s WSJ editorial page talked about the fine and the two years “probation” and said “This reflects the leniency that was previously recommended by the federal probation office but was rejected by Judge Reggie Walton in his vindictive sentence.” bleah!.
I was, unfortunately, too busy at work to follow the live blogging of the sentencing. I remember the probation office’s recommendations and read Jeralyn’s analysis in advance – but I have some recollection that Walton sent back the probation report to be revised because of … something? Is that recollection correct? Or did the original recommendations still stand but were rejected by the judge? Anybody remember?
Since his perjury and obstruction of justice is directly related to lies justifying the invasion of Iraq, and, given the need for experienced staffers, I think he should spend his community service time as a volunteer for the State Department in the Green Zone.
things come undone @ 15
No cocktails with his weenies?
Hi Jeralyn,
thanks for laying it out.
I’m done with Libby….The decider has decided. He may have a few piss ant “punishments” to live through- and he may or may not be able to practice law again- but it’s all over. Years of investigation and trial preparation and millions of dollars down the fuckin tubes. Hope Bush suffers for what he did- but he probably won’t. Sometimes we have to learn the golden rule all over again- “Them that has the gold makes the rules”.
Sonoma Rus @ 19
Libby should do his public service at Walter Reed! That is if the injured from Iraq do not take justice into their own hands in regard to Libby’s roll in the invasion of Iraq.
That is if they have any hands!
perris @ 13
Not being a legal eagle but does that not also read that the bush can zap probation?
How about bedpan duty at Walter Reed?
Or sponge baths for Iraq War triple amputee contractors?
Or, I know! How about writing “I will not betray my country” 440 trillion times?
http://costofwar.com/
Picking trash up along highways is for actual prisoners.
As he is a felon, no practice of law for him. Until his pardon, anyway.
I like the Walter Reed Hospital concept. Maybe with severely injured vets from Iraq. Maybe he can also find a way to be useful to the families of KIAs.
maryb2004 at 27 — The sentencing was sent back because they needed to rework the sentencing guidelines to factor in what the judge ordered as an enhancement for the underlying crime penalty. Once sentencing was done, they had to redo the calculations recommendation by the Court to reflect the enhancement.
Are there no latrines that need cleaning? I would think that after having worked for Dick Cheney he would be something of an expert on their contents.
What is the limits of the judical district Scooter can’t leave? A Scooter watch could get him nailed on parole violations if he leaves it and sent back to Reggie who I’m sure is waiting.
rwcole @ 31
You can say that again “Them that has the gold makes the rules”
OldCoastie @ 9
same difference:
# the defendant shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity
Maybe public service means he can be a Faux News Contributor.
‘Cuse me while a go vomit
Laura Doty @ 28
Or maybe in Fallujah.
picking up trash on the road to the Baghdad airport, wearing an orange vest.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
It only seems fair, considering he was instrumental in sending them to war…
If he had a soul, he’d do it voluntarily…
perris @ 8
Perris, I like the way you think. This is the perfect service for him. There’s no way he could remain smug and aloof after that experience. In fact, I daresay he would no longer be able to think like a Republican if he could see with his own eyes what they hath wrought. Send your suggestion to Walton.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 36
I thought there was no “underlying crime”?
“…the defendant shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity …”
Does this mean Libby would have to avoid the White House completely?
What’s the deal with the court determining that he does not have the means to pay interest on the fine (page 6)?
I don’t believe that for a second.
He’ll be pardoned before Dubya is walked out screaming of the oval office.
I’m certain an antarctic research station has to be looking for a man who isolates himself from the masses… Suit and a tie and a smirkish grin won’t do him any good over there.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 36
Does this mean I can tell my Republican friends that the judge found the original recommendation to be computed erroneously and that any reference to that original recommendation is misleading? Or is that not correct?
Would be nice if a group of reporters began asking the following question every time Bush takes his sorry ass out of the White House..
“Mr. President- why do you believe that there should be a different standard of justice for members of your administration and everyone else? Are you prepared to release EVERYONE currenly in prison on perjury and obstruction charges? “
OVER and OVER and OVER again.
Course it won’t happen.
So… Judith Miller will have done more time in jail than Scooter Libby.
Tell me more about those Aspens getting ready for winter.
My suggestion would be that Libby volunteer at Legal Aid, the Public Defender’s Office or a local jail. Let him learn first hand how regular folks are treated. Persons who don’t have a direct pipeline to the President.
I’d like to see Libby’s legal credentials removed.
rwcole @ 51
Maybe Keith Olbermann could end his show with that phrase.
How about community service in Fallujah?
How about caring for Iraqi orphans?
Where are the black t-shirts with Scooter’s face and inmate number on the front and the back it says “Bushies don’t let friends serve time” ? Or something along those lines.
rwcole,
I like the question:
Mr. Snow, do you think Bush’s commutation of Libby’s sentence will help or hurt the coverup?
I wonder if Georgetown will give Libby a job like they did with the Pre-war intelligence fabricator and dessiminator Douglas Feith.(who by the way has never been held accountable) Feith is teaching a seminar at Georgetown called “The Bush administration and the War on Terror”
Maybe the seminar could be called “How to out a CIA undercover agent and not be held accountable” Or “How to undermine U.S. National Security and not be held Accountable”
Lots of quest speakers to come to Libby’s seminar Fleisher, Rove, Cheney, Novak, etc.
Will Libby be disbarred?
Or- taking a page out of McCathy’s playbook:
“Mr. President, I have in my hand a list- of 7,459 people who are currently in jail for EXACTLY what Scooter Libby did. When will you release them all Mr. President?”
Yes- I think that’s best- the “list” is a visual aid.
He CAN’T answer that question–no way!!
Ending Habeus Corpus- rolling back justice to 1214AD. I believe we must also insist on the reinstatement of the popular 13th century practice of Drawing and Quartering(4 horses, each pulling on a separate leg or arm until all four quarters of the living body are ripped apart) in the single direst crime recognized by our constitution-treason.(outing our agents might qualify). It should be noted however that the practice of Drawing and Quartering was begun in 1283- AFTER habeus was granted as a right.
note: Jail and prison are not the same thing and seem to be used interchangeably. Libby was off to Federal prison. The privileged do not spend time in Jail awaiting trial like anyone poor, or caught up in the War on Drugs.
To even the most artichokedal insipient one must realize that our system of justice is forever broken. Who would pardon a known criminal? A president that by and large request the release of a lawbreaker cannot,should not, and will obliviate. Those with eyes must agree and will start this “quagmire of the brain” before the final corruption.
Scooter should be responsible for the daily cleaning of the case in which the Constitution is enshrined, since the Bush adm has “hit all over the document, it should keep him quite busy.
Helen @ 48
What happenned to the 5 million raised by the Libby Defense Fund? $250,000 is a drop in the bucket.
He could man the crash carts at Rammstein AFB, where the wounded and dying arrive from Occupied Iraq.
Or perhaps welcome the grieving to Dover AFB, where those killed in action arrive on American soil from Occupied Iraq.
Or he could attend every funeral of servicemembers killed in Dear Leader’s Occupation of Iraq. Let him be the one who stays behind to shovel dirt into the graves after watching broken families bury their dead.
maryb2004 — What the judge did was override the probation recommendation — and instead accept the government’s argument that an enhanced sentence for a felon convicted of multiple charges deserved a more serious sentence.
Jeralyn – thanks for explaining this so clearly to those of us with no legal background.
One question: do I understand the rule about his working correctly? He has to work full-time, but the parole officer and court get to decide what job he takes?
I think whatever his community service is, it has to be somehow connected with him spending time in a prison or with other felons serving time. I’d be happy to see him in a prison jumpsuit cleaning up trash on the side of the highway, or doing anything where he has to wear the orange jumpsuit and he can be photographed. He needs to feel like the felon he is.
kevinM @ 61
What about Keel Hauling?
rwcole @ 51
Because I am the “decider”
Great post
Thom Hartman, yesterday was talking about the exact moment at the trial when Libby was bought off. When they said Cheney wouldn’t testify and after that the Libby team didnt really put up a defense. this sure made sense to me.
Can this new commutation really effect other trials being heard?
punaise @ 43
Oh man, what a funny picture.
sdh @ 52
Miller should also be doing time at Walter Reed ! Her pre-war reporting was twisted and inaccurate. Miller had an agenda and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people as a direct result of the unnecesary and illegal invasion of Iraq.
Her roots are bloody!
TeddySanFran @ 65
Yes, very very fitting. If he can’t go to Iraq, he should be required to face the dead and their families. Daily.
This is a good time to remind folks that changing your nickname around from comment to comment is a good way to hasten getting yer butt banned here. Just a thought…
Libby’s license to practice law WILL be removed unless and until Clusterfuck actually pardons him. He’s a convicted felon.
I am waiting to set in on Steven Griles’ case since he got 10 months in prison as opposed to the 5 months recommended by DOJ.
Check the update to an earlier post by Jeralyn Merritt here.
The update says that the Judge could impose very severe provisions, including incarceration for any interval up to one year, upon a finding of a change of circumstances (like commutation?), and considering several factors. Fitzgerald could point this out in his submission due Monday.
Unless The Decider decides that the rules and conditions of supervision are too severe.
Seriously. What’s to stop Bush from “commuting” that part of the sentence too? Merely via some footnote addendum to his order.
rwcole @ 75
Is his law license automatically restored upon a pardon, or does the relevant bar get to decide if he deserves having it back?
Let’s hear it for poor scoots. He’s been punished- he had to leave his job and go to one at a gooper think tank payin three times as much…..It’s tough when ya get convicted of a felony- REAL tough.
Kathleen @ 64
A little OT, but does anyone know if the Libby Defense Fund is a non-profit, one wherein the donors receive tax deduction or income reduction?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 4
YES! Judge Walton, are you listening?
rwcole @ 75
Actually, he could still be disbarred or have his license suspended after being pardoned.
Elliot Abrams 689 A.2d 6 (D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, February 1997).
Bobby- Interesting – thanks!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 66
Thanks Christy. The talking point that I’ve heard the most in my office has been that the probation office made a recommendation that was fully in compliance with law and the Judge ignored it and set his own sentence. I was forwarded that WSJ editorial by three separate people today (hard copy xeroxes no less).
I usually point out that his sentence was within the federal guidelines and the answer always is that the probation office report was also within the federal guidelines and therefore the judge could have given a lesser sentence. None of us are criminal lawyers (including of course me) so everyone knows just enough to sound authoritative in that way that lawyers do – and yet still be wrong :)
Jeralynn, I could’nt decide whether the topic of Libby’s probation/supervision possibilities was you being snarky or not? Did you not see the sign on the White House lawn; “Rule of Law Need Not Apply”
Scrubbing toilets and general custodial duties at homeless shelters in DC.
Snow, at this morning’s press gaggle, acting as if Walton is just a bit slow…
Muckraker
Not much about Libby in the headlines today.. Yesterday’s news perhaps.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 17
When is Judge Walton moving to the FISA court?
maryb2004 — Actually, the Walton sentence was within the mid-range of the enhancement guidelines. It was not, by any means, at the high end. He cut Libby a break on where the enhancement fell. Jeralyn is much better versed on this than I am — having had to deal with it over and over the last few years with clients — and she did a great calculations explanation post a while back that hit the sentencing issue square from the perspective of a criminal defense attorney.
Shorter me: the WSJ is full of shit.
OldCoastie @ 89
This would be the same razor-sharp Tony Snow who has difficulty remembering that our friend Irving was convicted for obstruction of justice as well as perjury?
Give him a florecent vest that says
InmateWhat me?
Jail
on it and have him pick-up trash in the District.
So many who respond are caught up in the politics and seem to fail to question what can happen next? And, can any good come from Libby’s actions?
Thinking back 12 years ago, I would never have considered that I, a competent, well educated man, would be sitting in prison. That was a life educational experience where I learned, really for the first time, that there are consequences to every unethical choice we make. Though one might think that we can avoid the consequences, the reality is that they are unavoidable and certain. We just don’t know how or when we will face the inevitable.
As a former CPA, through a series of bad choices or serious ethics lapses, I became a white-collar criminal. Now, I am an executive in a publicly held company and an international speaker. I now take the time to review my lessons from prison and write about those experiences so that others may gain benefit and perhaps learn from the experience of others. Some of us learn lessons the hard way. Yet, through sharing the experience of my incarceration and return to productivity, others have stated that they’ve been able to look at their choices in a different and more productive way.
This was a very painful time in my life with many lessons to learn. I learned about punishment and self-esteem based on internal validation rather than external validation. I also learned that many people repeat the lessons of family members gone before them and not realizing they truly had other choices. Now, some twelve years later, I find that the personal growth from the prison experience provided a foundation for help to others. The revelation to speak to high school and college students about ethics has manifested through the establishment of the Choices Foundation, which provides a forum to educate young people on the effects of the choices they make.
Perhaps when the dust settles…Libby can use the experience in a beneficial way for others. Or perhaps, skating past punishment will provide a missed opportunity.
JKC at 91 — Walton is already doing duty on the FISA court. It isn’t a separate position — it’s something that he’ll be doing in addition to his duties on the federal bench, as every other FISA judge does. That’s why they rotate on and off the court — because it’s a lot of extra on top of an already full federal plate.
I believe the community service component should be waived. This felon should not be inflicted upon the public, prisoners, wounded vets, or roadside garbage.
Yeah- maybe Libby can make millions travelin the world and giving talks about the lessons he learned- maybe so.
imho
i think there is a deeper story here that i haven’t seen written about in the msm nor on blogs.
why did bushcheney think that libby needed this gift at this time? libby made it quite clear during both his grand jury testimony & by not testifying on his own behalf during trial, that he was still under the influence of having drunk the kool-aid.
SOMETHING had to have been communicated since his verdict/sentencing/prison check-in that caused bushcheney to believe libby wouldn’t continue to drink the cocktail while in prison waiting for them to issue a pardon at the end of their term.
the timing of the commutation says more to me then the commutation itself. that bushcheny was willing to risk all the blowback that will come of this (setting a precedent that will now effect other criminal cases in the US), says to me the loyalty in these relationships has become either questionable or damaged.
fascinating.
If Judge Walton has the “temerity” to actually attach any onerous conditions to Scooter’s probation, I predict we’ll see the very embarrassing sight of Shrub issuing a SECOND commutation, of the probation.
masaccio @ 77
Changed circumstances?
How about upping “supervised release” period from two years to five years and upping the community service requirement from 400 hours to 10K hours to be spent at Walter Reed or the homeles shelter either one. Or a combination of both.
dalloway @ 100
Almost certainly, but the up side to that is it lays bare the base motivations that Bush had in offering the first commutation. I think the political consequences would be good for the left.
maryb2004 @ 85
Good question. There seems to be a lot of confusion on this. The Probation Department merely identified grounds for departure that warranted consideration by the Judge. While it’s not a public document, all references to it indicate the Probation Department didn’t tell the Judge how to rule on those grounds for departure.
Judge Walton considered the departure grounds identified by Probation, but concluded, (from the sentencing transcript at pages 85-86 which, sorry, is not online and sorry for the caps but that’s the way the transcript came):
Partly OT, there is an op-ed at the NYT by Time magazine’s Michael Kingsley on Libby. He concludes:
This is stupid and disingenuous for a couple of reasons. There was no perjury trap. Libby always had the right to invoke his 5th Amendment protections. He always could have developed a very bad memory a la Alberto Gonzales or even Judy Miller. He did not. He chose to construct an alternate narrative that was contradicted by pretty much everyone else.
As for what the press regards as sacrosanct, this is the same sycophantic, water carrying, uncritically accepting, talking points regurgitating group of shills and stenographers we have have all come to know. They show on a daily basis that the truth for them is not only not sacrosanct but a joke. They show that minimal adherence to professional journalistic standards isn’t worth the risk to their access. But suddenly the First Amendment is sacrosanct, at least their idiosyncratic interpretation of it, the one that allows journalists to invoke privilege to protect not whistleblowers but backstabbing politicians.
I admit with the Judy Miller connection, I am a little surprised that the NYT would still be pushing this line, or maybe not.
Educated Plaintiff @ 98 Libby was going to be bush/cheney’s Sammy the Bull…flippin’ more than Flipper.
Lets face it…it doesn’t matter WHAT the laws or guidelines say, Libby will get whatever Bush wants him to get. (read -zero-)
My guess is that we’ll see another month or two of legal wrangling about the details, after which Bush will, without warning, issue a full pardon. (the shock & outrage will therebye have been halved, with the first half already survived and but a memory)
Educated Plaintiff @ 99
Or, was he promised this at his trial.
Daniel Nona @ 97
Yes, it’s an insult to roadside trash.
I do like the idea of his supervised release time being in public service at a veterans hospital or someplace similar. I think he’s forgotten what life is like for most of us in this country. (That inside-the-Beltway bubble.)
I think he should do his 400 hours emptying bedpans at Walter Reed. After all, the men and women who are recooperating there were can’t get up to use the bathroom as a direct result of decisions made by Scooter’s former boss. Either that, or hand him a q-tip and force him to clean and shine each and every one of the seventy stars in the memorial wall at Langley to unnamed and undercover CIA operatives who lost their lives in the service of this Nation due to treasonous and cowardly trators like Scooter and Dick. I like that idea better….400 hours of having every single CIA employee walking through the lobby stank-eyeing him for the scum he really is….that should be a humbling experience, even for such a smug asshole.
I want a 24-hour-a-day “Scooter Cam” streaming live on cable!
If your crime is secrets and lies, your punishment should be one that makes that impossible.
bein’s he’s such a great spokesperson and all, the Snowmeister takes him a turn at the written word today:
http://www.usatoday.com/printe…..05.art.htm
maryb2004 @ 85
The best response is to put the logic in front of them.
Libby’s enhancement was tied to the crime they were investigating: IIPA. That enhancement is actually mandatory–so the Probation Office actually ignored something mandatory (so your colleagues are technically incorrect).
But the logic is this: Who should be punished more seriously, someone who obstructed the investigation into who stole a lollypop from a supermarket or who outed a CIA spy? Obviously, the latter. Because if you didn’t tack on such enhancements, you’d create an incentive, with more serious crimes, to obstruct the investigation as a way to get yourself a much reduced sentence.
# the defendant shall report to the probation officer and shall submit a truthful and complete written report within the first five days of each month;
Well, he’s bound to blow that one.
# the defendant shall answer truthfully all inquiries by the probation officer and follow the instructions of the probation officer;
Good chance for the probation officer to ask him about 4thBranch and POTUS…, but he’s bound to blow that one.
# the defendant shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity and shall not associate with any person convicted of a felony, unless granted permission to do so by the probation officer;
If he goes to work at AEI he’ll be in the company of Wolfowitz and others…hmmmm…engaged in criminal activity…bound to blow that one.
# the defendant shall permit a probation officer to visit him or her at any time at home or elsewhere;
Heh, heh. That should be interesting.
If placed on supervised release, Libby better hope he doesn’t get a D.U.I. I don’t know if he drinks or not, but if I were him, I’d have Harriet do all the post-dinner driving from now on.
So, if this was a crime, quid pro quo. We must find out and proceed with a special investigator.
Hold it. Does access to financial information include Libby’s legal defense fund? And even if the defense fund is providing the “gift” of lawyering to Libby and doesn’t have to provide any information, doesn’t Libby still have to pay taxes on his “gift”. If so, did he pay taxes on this gift during the 2006 tax year? How does that work?
Wow, good one Jeff @ 109
I was thinking Red Cross duty in Iraq…but that makes it a little difficult to check in with the parole officer I imagine. I’ll take your suggestions as a very viable substitute.
Chuck Gallagher @ 94
I appreciate your honesty. The main ingredient missing in Libby’s code of ethics. The only regret for Libby will be his time wasted in court. Scooter Libby is a lifetime member of the exclusvie “Good Ole Boys” Club and will be well taken care of.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 92
Yeah, that’s the shorter me too. I just haven’t been able to figure out a concise way to explain it and sound like I know what I’m talking about. Thanks.
Community Service:
Change bedpans at Walter Reed.
Gunga Djinn @ 106
At which point Scooter’s a** is front and center in hearings with Waxman and/or Leahy presiding being forced to spill his guts, whether the Chimp and Darth want him to or not.
At least, on this site, we wont be forgetting Scooter.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 114
He does drink–or at least used to. His novel was finished in a bout of tequila drinking. The tequila shows.
EP@98I-Having known attorneys with the ‘high strutin’ walk exhibited be this perp, I said he would never see a day in confinement. Sad, but now as a felon the walk has been tempered. That’s good enough for me, though a couple of days ago it definetly was not. This ‘club’ within clubs has had four decades to get their act together. Really sloppy piece of work too.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 113
Are the Libbys speaking to one another now that the payoff’s gone down?
LS @ 120
I bet if we took an FDL poll, that would be the weiner, er, winner. See Jeff @109 thereabouts.
Well, this is interesting, coming from Bruce Fein:
Jeralyn Merritt @ 103
Thanks J. That’s very helpful. I was under the impression that the probation office report was public — everyone talks about it as if they’ve seen it.
emptywheel @ 123
even the title sucked:
Tequila Mocking Bear
punaise!
For community service, how ’bout a seminar of legal ethics for Whitehouse & Blackhouse staff, though I suspect if a pass fail test were given after the seminar, we’d see a pretty dismal failure rate ;-}
do-si-do @ 126
I just went back to read the comments..seems we’re on the same page!
punaise @ 129
punaise,
Do you ever hit the pun-day festivities at Callahan’s Cross-time Saloon? You could give Doc Webster some serious competition.
Whatever community service he is assigned, two and a half years should be added to the 400 hours.
emptywheel @ 112
Logic? Are you kidding? These are Republicans. Seriously, thanks for the explanation. We’ll see if it does any good.
TeddySanFran @ 24
Teddy – great idea!
dakine01 @ 133
I’ll have to check it out…
Loo Hoo. @ 134
Loo Hoo, see my suggestion at #101.
community outreach: Brewster and Jennings marketing rep in Tehran or Yemen or some such place.
As a former probation officer let me say that ‘community service’ for the most part is a bad joke. How do you legislate and impose morality?
I repeat: Hand Libbya q-tip and force him to clean and shine each and every one of the seventy stars on the memorial wall at CIA Langley to unnamed and undercover CIA operatives who lost their lives in the service of this Nation due to the actions of treasonous and cowardly trators like Scooter and Dick. 400 hours of having every single CIA employee walking through that lobby stank-eyeing him for the scum he really is…that should be a humbling experience, even for such a smug asshole.
Scooter Cam-perfect- w/night vision, watching aspens turn..
I think Scooter should have to spend 400 hours inside a federal prison helping prisoners fillout their Habeous Corpus petitions. He can do this as a lawyer (until the date of his disbarment) and as a paralegal thereafter.
Let him see first hand two things: How the other half is treated when convicted of a crime AND how precious is the Writ of Habeous Corpus.
BTW
Hugh at 103. I disagree with Kinsley here. He rarely makes logical mistakes, but the one he makes here is glaring: Just because the press thinks something is okay (even “sacrosanct”) doesn’t make it legal. Or even okay. The press has been using this case to point out that a “shield law” is needed for cases like this, but the courts have consistently said that, even if there WERE a shield law, it would never cover cases like this. The media has been downplaying this whole case for years, mainly because they don’t want to admit their own ugly role in the whole thing.
The fact of the matter is, the media have dug themselves a HUGE hole with this case, and they’re still digging. Libby’s commutation woke a few people up (even the WaPo editorial board is a bit miffed). I think the fact that Judy spent 2 1/2 months in the clink for protecting Scooter, who then was convicted but dodged a jail sentence, has woken the media up to the fact that the Administration has been using them as dupes for the past six years. Will it help improve the media? I think it already has. The New York Times tried to hold Judy Miller up as an icon journalistic integrity, but they ultimately fired her ass for a lack of journalistic integrity. The good thing about this investigation is that most (if not all) of the people who have been burned by it have been people with little to no integrity (Miller, Novak, Libby, and too a lesser extent Bush, Cheney, and Rove).
sdh @ 53
Well, actually, Scooter really doesn’t give a big damn about having his legal credentials removed, since his license to practice law has been suspended a couple of times over the years BECAUSE HE COULDN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY HIS BAR DUES. http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27509
Sheesh. What a loser.
OT: It looks to me that last night at TheNextHurrah, Marcy pointed the way to cases against Libby and possibly Cheney under both the Espionage Act and the IIPA. Here are some more details.
dakine01 @ 120
O.K., I’ve read those arguments about what is & isn’t allowed under pardon, pleading the 5th, etc.. But my point is that none of that matters. The only rule that applies to Bush-Cheney is that there is NO RULES.
I know it’s hard to swallow, but that’s it…they do what they want, when they want, and nobody can do a damn thing about it. [last I heard, Cheney’s energy policy records have still not been turned over after multiple court orders (correct me if I’m wrong)).
So legal or not, Libby will get what Bush & Cheney wants him to get…zero.
New Froomkin
Biodun @ 127
My disgust with our entire government knows no bounds. I’m voting all the bums out. All of them.
Educated Plaintiff @ 98
Well, the timing doesn’t seem to be suspect. After all, Libby was going to have to go to jail – this commutation happened soon after the ruling that there would be no bail for Libby.
if you think about it, the timing for Bush to do this is quite good. We’re in the middle of the summer (most people don’t pay attention to the news) during a holiday week (most people don’t pay attention to the news). It’s actually excellent timing for him to control the outrage and try to control the narrative. The only real blowback the Prez gets is nothing unexpected: those who think he’s an unethical jerk will say “I told ya so”, and those who support him no matter what will say “Bush was right to do this”.
Now – when it comes to the question of why Bush did it, you can fall into the camp of “he didn’t want Libby to flip”/”wanted to reward his loyal Cheney”, or “Bush loves to have the last word, to flaunt his power”, or both. I’m going with both.
It’s been thirty years since I was a Parole Officer for the Bureau of Prisons working in a Community Treatment Center where we had prisoners staying in the local YMCA for 30 to 90 days before their release to parole.
We worked directly with the local Probation Officers who were officers of the courts. These were the guys who wrote the Pre-Sentence Reports and also supervised the people on parole.
I believe that it would be the Probation Officer who wrote the PSR who would actually supervise Libby. He/she is allowed a wide latitude of discretion as far as the day to day decisions that had to be made wrt Libby.
Thus it is hard to say how much scrutiny Libby will get. A lot of it will depend on the personal views of the PO, and it sounds like the PO who wrote Libby’s report might tend to let him slide.
Where I recognize the desire for folks to think we still have a country and that law applies, the facts refute such wishful thinking. I find it a continuing form of denial that makes people believe we will return to the rule of law. Please, wake TFU.
It appears to be delusion to think that this government can ever let their actions become public knowledge. Why are so many otherwise intelligent sounding people acting as if high on faith or religion? You can see the future, for it begins in the past. Australia’s government said it plainly for all to hear, it is about the oil.
Because it is not about personalities, and petty crimes, we should concentrate on what they are doing to write the new map. We should try to speculate or even segue if you will, through the events that have led us to this point in time.
the oil is gone. Iran doesn’t have enough for their own people now. If this isn’t enough information for you, one should consider another look at the coin of the realm. It is based on fantasy and we know it. It has god on it, and as such, it is trying to make nothing look like something. It was once backed by gold, but no more. Now it is backed by war. Because without the war, there is only inflation.
When we realize what has been taken, perhaps our complacency will end. End, and thus change, should be considered. But we do not get both.
looseheadprop @ 143
Ooh, then his ass would be in a pen.
Libby should be forced to be a member of the Army/Marine Notification teams. Let him look in the eyes of families as he tells them their loved one has just died in Iraq.
Educated Plaintiff @ 98
I think it makes it clear that the toilet backs up all the way to W. Originally, (with the Angler series) I thought maybe W was using Libby’s fate as a lever with Shooter. But W looked just as ashen announcing the commutation as Scooter looked in being told it was off to jail time.
If W followed through on his promise to fire everyone involved, the WH would be empty.
Gunga Djinn @ 147
He gets pardon’d, he’s in front of a committee spilling his guts. If he refuses, he’s back in court for contempt and back on his way to jail. Which puts it back to Harriet being VERY angry and as everyone knows, when Momma ain’t happy…. Either way, it gets the information out that gets Darth impeached, whether after he talks to the Congress or whether he talks to Fitz, he will talk.
Do you think Bush, Cheney and Rove have learned anything helpful from the Libby affair?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
How about helping is washing the wounded daily because they lack arms to do so? How about helping to feed a newly wounded veteran who lost sight and limbs while he becomes psychologically, emotionally and physically? I think he should touch the wounds he inflicted up close and personal.
emptywheel @ 112:
Right on there, as always:
Do federal probation officers also “serve at the pleasure of the President”?
‘eh?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 156
You only learn if you want to learn.
ok, I suppose they’ve learned that they can get away with almost anything, if they manipulate the public and the media enough.
The idea of jail for Libby appealed to my sensibilities. This other stuff does not. I’m into ‘do the crime…’, well… you know the rest of it.
jeff @ 141
I’ll repeat it too. I love this idea. you left out the Walter Reed bedpan part. Can’t we have both?
Anything tied to the consequences of what this butthead did would be a small start in making amends to the american people. like that matters.
I haven’t seen any answers on my question #92
(does contributing to Libby’s defense fund qualify for a tax break?)
I could have missed it here…sorry, I just think it’s an interesting question. CPA’s out there?
(gotta go walk the dog before it get’s any hotter in LA.)
Thanks all…
This Libby business. I am reeling. But I’m calm.
I just read the entire Tony SnowJob July 3rd press briefing. I need to vomit and take a shower. Man, the toxic smarm.
And there’s Bruce Fein @ 126 saying the same thing I’m saying: there is no rule of law for Bush-Cheney.
Simple as that.
You folks are argueing this as if it’s a legal chess game being played by standard rules. Well it is a chess game, but whenever Bush-Cheney get close to losing, they pull out their sledge hammer & smash the board…game over, they win.
demi @ 164
Yee gads! Say it isn’t so!!!
“the defendant shall answer truthfully all inquiries by the probation officer”
Isn’t that what he got convicted of–lying to federal officials?
BobbyG @ 166
And yet, what else is gonna say? From this bunch?
More from NYObserver:
MOSCOW — Russian prosecutors said Thursday they have officially refused Britain’s request to extradite a businessman accused in last year’s fatal poisoning of former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko.
Send this guy over here and we’ll give him a pardon. Putin: a man we can do business with. How do I know this? Because I’ve looked into his heart.
egregious @ 169
Presumably, he could still take the fifth with respect to all potential future charges.
The President of the United States has the unrestrained Power of granting Pardons for Treason; which may be sometimes exercised to screen from punishment those whom he had secretly instigated to commit the Crime, & thereby prevent a Discovery of his own Guilt. – George Mason (1725-1792), the “father of the Bill of Rights,” noting his objection to presidential pardon powers in his first draft commentary on the Constitution of the United States he helped write
Here is a piece in commondreams about what Thom is saying
http://www.commondreams.org/ar…..7/05/2299/
Aliens are not going to come to earth on a space ship and force Libby to go to jail or impeach Clusterfuck…Some things just ain’t gonna happen.
CNN reporting that Libby just paid his $250K fine.
demi @ 176
Did he leave a tip?
demi @ 176
Did Fred Thompson have to co-sign the cashier’s check?
Final installment from NYObserver:
I am not upset with Bush on this Libby deal. But I am angry with my party.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 173
Boy! Look into his eyes and that icy killer look stares back at you with no remorse. One A-moral talking with another A-moral. Like souls! I have no doubt they see each others heart clearly.
Breaking on msnbc: Scooter just paid his $250k fine. They didn’t say where the check came from.
I carry 250K around in my jeans pocket. You mean you don’t!
Tula upstairs
“the defendant shall answer truthfully all inquiries by the probation officer and follow the instructions of the probation officer”
Well, that’s simple, just draw up a list of questions for the probation officer to put to him, and we can clear up the whole Plame matter.
I’m not a Biden fan by any stretch, but what’s not to like about this statement from Mr. Teefs n’ Tufts?:
Senator accuses Bush of being ‘brain dead’
Frank Probst @ 116
Hold it. Does access to financial information include Libby’s legal defense fund? And even if the defense fund is providing the “gift” of lawyering to Libby and doesn’t have to provide any information, doesn’t Libby still have to pay taxes on his “gift”. If so, did he pay taxes on this gift during the 2006 tax year? How does that work?
Gift? what Gift? He earned every goddamned dime of it.
Just kidding of course. Actually, I think that he would be required to report the funds paid to the attys on his behalf as gifts. Where’s Stephen Parrish CPA when ya need him?
Hmmm, gonna be tough on Libby.
“Must not associate with persons engaged in criminal activity”: well, this is gonna be like solitary confinement to him since he’ll have to avoid the entire Administration and Republican party.
Wonder what his community service will look like? A bunch of his friends will probably ask the court to allow him to serve for one of their Astroturf nonprofits. Or maybe raise money for his own legal fund which he’ll incorporate as a 501-c-3.
Tula has a fresh post up and ready for everyone. Please drop into the comments and say howdy!
demi @ 175
Boy, that was some serious hardship, wasn’t it?
BobbyG @ 178
Perhaps it was paid in cash. ;0)
QuakerGirl @ 181
;0)
BobbyG @ 165
I was going to comment on it at the time but I had a similar reaction. They should change the job title from Press Secretary to Propaganda Minister.
demi @ 9:31 am and Frank Probst @ 9:56 am -
demi –
I don’t see how a legal defense fund could be tax-exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. I haven’t researched this, but I think it might be quite a stretch for a legal defense fund to be exempt from taxation under Section 501(c)(4). Even if it could obtain exemption under Section 501(c)(4), please keep in mind that contributions to a Section 501(c)(4) organization are not deductible.
Frank –
You’ve raised some excellent questions. For the sake of discussion, let’s assume that Scooter is defraying the cost of his legal representation without outside financial assistance. Section 212 of the Internal Revenue Code – along with other Internal Revenue Code sections that I can read later – does not permit a tax deduction for legal fees incurred by a defendant facing criminal charges.
IRC Section 102 excludes the value of property acquired by bequest, devise, or inheritance from gross income. Indvidual contributors to Scooter’s defense fund might incur gift taxes on their contributions to his defense fund; if that were not enough, contributions to a legal defense fund are nondeductible.
kevinM @ 62
Uhm, sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s not the traditional British version of the execution.
In the traditional “drawing and quartering,” one is hung by the neck, cut down whilst still alive, then your abdomen is cut open and your intestines “drawn” out and burned before your eyes. When you expire, your body is cut into four pieces (”quartering”) which are then hung in public places, and if you were a traitor to the crown, your head was hung on Tower Bridge…
THIS is why beheading was considered a merciful end for traitors.
perhaps he’ll try to argue that writing essays for AEI, on the virtues of global empire and world conquest, should constitute “community service”
Brisingamen @ 195
Actually, the French Bourbon form of the punishment (for regicide/paricide and possibly for treason) required quartering alive, after torture by red hot pincers and the pouring of moulton sulfur into wounds
i like the idea of him having to clean the stars on the wall at cia headquarters. but the people that work there could never be sure he would not identify the publicly. he did it once and lied to coverup the administration’s actions. he would do it again. the country could not afford this traitor in that postion.
His community service should be that he is required to tend to the wounded and disfigured brave soldiers housed at Walter Reed (or any other VA facility in the DC area) who have lost their best hopes at a “Libby-like” life to this lie-enabled fiasco known as the Iraq Conflict.
Can somebody tell me where I can find an offical-type transcript of the Libby Trial?
Thanks.
Blub @197: Oh, yuck! I hadn’t heard that one.
But anyone who has seen “Braveheart” has seen the cinematic version of “drawing and quartering” and there weren’t any horses. In fact that’s the reason I’ve only watched the film once, it was a little too graphic for me.
Just reading about the procedure leaves me queasy, and lots of British history books and historical fiction go into loving detail on the process. *Shudder*
Jeralyn Merritt @ 18
Wouldn’t that be cruel & unusual punishment for Judge Walton? I’d rather Irving pick up roadside trash.
And if he were assigned to help veterans, or indigent criminals, it should be as a clerk. No one should have their legal fate in the hands of this crook.
Brisingamen @ 201
As a historical side note, the last unfortunate to go that way was the assassin Louis-Francois Damiens in 1757. The torture process preceeding the quartering could last days and the still-living Damiens (sans limbs) was burned alive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-François_Damiens for his bio.. he’s regarded as a bit of folk hero from what I understand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-François_Damiens
sorry.. link got cut off
Libby paid his fine already? God almighty, and there are really people out there who think “that’s still a pretty hefty punishment” when it’s doubtful that he paid a dime out of his own pocket.
I spent 2 years “on paper,” and my wife spent 5. Ones experiences under Supervised Release can vary drastically depending on the personality of the individual probation officer. My PO was quite reasonable (of course, my non-violent, first time offense didn’t ring her danger radar), while my wife’s PO was more hard nosed about things (her non-violent, first time offense didn’t soften him up).
Drug tests, travel restrictions, home visits, etc, are to be expected. But ten years later, one thing my wife and I still say to each other, anytime the going gets rough: “It’s better then jail.” Scooter the liar will never appreciate how good he got it.
Are we spending to much time on Libby? I can hear Rove laughing. The issue is not Libby’s commutation. The issue is why his sentence was commuted. Bush’s action was a direct signal to all those who are or will be pressured into rolling over or taking deals. He’s telling them he’s got their back. They won’t even have to serve any time, much less wait for a pardon. This issue, as it pertains to Libby personally is over. I guess we can all go on making a big stink about “injustice”, but we’ve been doing that since 2000. We are stuck on a dead issue when we need to be focused on who’s next, i.e. Gonzo, Cheney, drop Libby he’s a waste of time. It’s like Repubs. going on and on about Mark Rich, people were mad for about 3 days and it hasn’t been on the radar since (until now).
Scooter should spend half of his community service working with critically wounded veterans to see the true fruits of his labor. The other half could be spent digging the graves of those killed in action.
I second what perris said at #9:
I think it would be very educational for Scooter to have to see on a daily basis the effects of the war that he helped lie this country into.
beerfart liberal @ 205
If he’s pardoned, does he get his money back?
Blub @ 210
No.
Captain C @ 209
Better yet, have him work in an Iraqi hospital.
We’ll be nice, it’ll be in the Green Zone. He’ll have a fair shot at surviving.
Tim @ 200
The most generally accessible place would be to get Murray Waas’ book The United States v. I. Lewis Libby, which is an annotated and slightly edited transcript. It was the subject of an FDL Book Salon a couple of weeks ago.
Good reading!
Phoenix Woman @ 212
Now that would be fitting. I think I’d get behind this idea, no, I definitely would. Of course, he might have to live in one of those formaldehyde-infused trailers that are part of the new white-elephant “embassy.”
Personally, I’d take my chances at a Club Fed, but that’s just me.
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Coming at this from a purely academic prospective is disastrous. That school of thought is responsible for supporting the enactment of The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 (CCRA), Chapter II, Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 (SRA) (sentencing guidelines and no parole), which academia now readily admit, what we all know, is a dismal failure. Still, the academia protest that it can be fixed without returning to a system of parole and a system of second guessing sentence and release between the judiciary and the executive that was abandon almost thirty years ago. This is based on the mistaken belief that it is best that the judicial branch has exclusive release authority over the sentences of criminal defendants. They believe the Congress failed to build a fix into the SRA, to make corrections, if necessary; and that is why we have the sentencing issues we face today, so they want create a “relief valve” by tinkering with the statutes in such a way as to spill forth piece meal sentence reductions. They want to do this prospectively, not retroactively. They are of the mind set that the moment you mention the word “parole”, your dead in the water.
As prison populations swell with non-violent offenders trapped by minimum mandatory and long non parolabe sentences, including life, we are bemused by all of this thought and by the lack of knowledge of sentencing law. We would point out here that is was a Democratic Congress that enacted Public Law 98-473. Title II, The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 (CCCA), Chapter II, The Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. FYI, President Reagan opposed the CCCA and stated that it was a bad bill, but that he had to sign it in order to get continued appropriations for 1985. We would suggest that now is the time for the Democratic Congress to make amends to the people and to the system.
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I’d have him serves as Judy Miller’s sex slave.
(Two birds with one stone, cha-cha-cha!)
Libby paid his fine on Monday.
-GSD
I’d like to see Libby clean bathrooms (THOROUGHLY) at CIA headquarters for 400 hours. And hopefully those bathrooms are really, really messy.
He should forced to take notes at the Wilson
civil suit (by the way, when will we hear?)
Pickup trash outside the American Embassy in Baghdad.
If Scooter can’t mingle with criminals, doesn’t that just about involve everyone he knows?
Is everyone as sick as I am of having this Administration’s actions conducted “in our name?” I didn’t think I had this much rage within me.
1) Shouldn’t one of Libby’s conditions of probation be that he is NOT allowed to handle classified materials?
not a big risk anyway(?)
2) Couldn’t Fitz be holding off on espionage charges against Libby until after the White House is in Democratic hands?
or, at least that threat could be used to leverage Libby to act now rather than, well, before it’s too late.
We can all see how a traitor, espionage convict called “Scooter” might want to keep out of the pokey.
punaise @ 44
That would work for me too.
If they’re going to try to say that he doesn’t have to do the supervised release portion of the program because it is dependent upon completion of the jail time part, well that just doesn’t follow in my non-legal mind.
Essentially, I see it as a fast forward to the next cd track. Its just a skip, not a CD eject. So start singing the next song scootelibby. Arrrrrgh.
Speaking of singing, which is what we want here, and bushie don’t. My thoughts on community service is… grave digger! Hand the “man” a shovel and off with him.
My first thought was the bed pans at Walter Reed, but really, those people have been through enough and since he will be disbarred (why hasn’t he been already?) he cannot have anything to do with the law. Thought prison guard too…. nope, the known criminals. So, gravedigger is my choice. He’ll see the ultimate end result of his actions (without upsetting the families) and he can work on the words to that song he needs to sing.
Hugh @ 104
Plus as Froomkin pointed out, it’s only a perjury trap if the underlying thing being investigated is not in fact illegal. Like, say, getting a bl*wj*b from a non-prostitute.
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My suggestions for Libby’s community service are related to his offenses. That is, he lied about a conspiracy to shut up a whistleblower who was exposing the facts surrounding WMD and the Iraq War. He ruined the career of a valuable intelligence asset and our ability to gather intelligence about WMD, specifically nuclear materials. Therefore, Libby shall:
* Provide legal assistance and document preparation for amputees and other severely disabled veterans of the Iraq War. He shall do this in person.
* Accompany service personnel to family residences to announce the death of a soldier in Iraq. He shall provide legal assistance and document preparation to affected families for benefits and insurance.
* He shall provide legal assistance to families of military personnel serving Iraq for bankrupcy proceedings, divorce proceedings, child custody proceedings and re-employment.
* He shall be appointed to a nuclear reactor research center run by the Navy and shall be taught to calculate nuclear fallout after a nuclear accident or deliberate attack. He shall assess the safety of the environment after such nuclear incidences and estimate the number of immediate deaths and deaths by cancer due to radioactive fallout. (My Dad worked in this area and walked me through it at age 12. Not pretty, not pretty at all)
* He shall report to the honorable Joseph Darby and will watch the tapes made by our military contractors of the abuse that took place in Abu Ghraib prison in 2004. He shall interview prisoners from Abu Graib and shall provide legal assistance for them to be compensated by the US government for thier injuries. He will negotiate with the families of women who have been dishonored while abducted and will provide compensation so that they can start a new life elsewhere. He shall apologize to them personally.
* He shall transport to the United States for medical treatment children who were injured by car bombs and as collateral damage. He shall pay for their medical treatment. The number of children will be equal to the ages of his own children. For example, if his daughter is 13, he shall transport and care for 13 girls. These girls should be the same age as his daughter or – 2 years.
* He shall provide legal assistance to whistleblowers. He shall prepare documents for them to receive compensation.
The problem with Libby’s sentence was not that it was excessive. It was just inappropriate. Libby carried out a “political hate” crime. Rehabilitation from this kind of crime necessitates that the criminal put in direct contact with his victims until he understands the impact of his actions.
One more thing: He shall work with the Iraqi ministry in charge of antiquities to recover all of the “vases” looted from the Baghdad museum after the fall of Saddam. He shall personally wrest the items from the hands of his friends and colleagues in possession of these goods and will return them to the nation they were stolen from.
Yep, that oughtta do it.
We have only scratched the surface as to the company that Mr. Libby has kept as well as secrets that are now first coming to light. This will continue to unravel because Marc Rich, Libby and Bill Clinton were responsible for the jailing of Ambassador Leo Wanta. But have no fear, a Writ of Mandamus has been filed in Federal Court in Alexandrea VA. What goes around eventually comes around. Maybe that’s why they arrested Alan Greenspan last week and Sir Eddie George the former Governor of the Bank of England this past weekend. But of course in a manipulated press, you’ll never hear of it until it is pushed in the corprotocracy’s face.
Read all about it Firepups
http://www.worldreports.org
LEO WANTA’S PETITION FOR A WRIT OF MANDAMUS
CASE NUMBER: 1:2007CV00609 – TSE – BRP: ALEXANDRIA
Thursday 5 July 2007 16:04
THE BIGGEST FINANCIAL SCANDAL IN WORLD HISTORY
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
ALEXANDRIA DIVISION
Case Number: 1:2007cv00609 – TSE – BRP
Filed: 20th June 2007
Petitioner: Lee E. Wanta
Respondents: Henry M. Paulson, Jr., Robert M. Kimmitt, James R. Wilkinson, Michael Chertoff, Alberto R. Gonzales and Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond
Court: Virginia Eastern District Court
Office: Alexandria Office
He has to answer questions truthfully? The poor suffering martyr! Why not just shoot him, you inhuman beasts?
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Tim @ 200
Contact the court reporter(s?) to get a certified copy of the transcript. It will cost you a pretty penny, but it’s the only ethical way to get one. Transcripts are a part of a court reporter’s income. If you get a free one, you are taking money away from him/her/them. I hope firedoglake paid for theirs.
He still has a law license? WTF??
Bustednuckles @ 177
roflmao!!!
dakine01 @ 156
You know, this is very interesting and something I haven’t seen discussed. Surely SOME of the wives/women must be feeling a bit uncomfortable with all this. Remember Martha Mitchell in Watergate?? She wasn’t quite as crazy as she was made out to be was she…
Has anyone tried to interview any of the women??
Bush is a sadistic creep. My guess is that he will find some way to bring Libby back into government, so that he can flip the bird to us, the people who have reviled and belittled him.
Community service by Libby? Let him sweep the streets just like Boy George
Libby’s community service…
They should buy a pup tent, a porta potty, and get 400 days supply of MRE’s. Put the tent in the desert out side Santa Fe. Every day for 400 days, Libby should be transported to Joe Wilson’s house, given a bucket of water and a scrub brush, and for only one hour, scrub Wilson’s driveway. He should be forbidden any communication during this process. No faces, no nasty comments, just good hard scrubbing. If people want to stand around, point and laugh, fine. Joe Wilson and Valerie should daily inspect and evaluate the quality of scrubbing.