You know, if you don’t read Glenn Greenwald every day, you should. Today, my homeboy G2 points us to the latest Worldwide Pew Research Poll, which indicates that America’s standing in the world has sunk to its lowest level in recorded history.
Right Wing “thinkers” like Hugh Hewitt would have you believe that the Damn Foreigners hate us “for our freedoms”, which, I guess, are somehow inherently different and more ideologically pure than the measurably greater freedoms you or I would have living in Amsterdam or Oslo. As Greenwald points out, however, there is another, equally erroneous strain of thought that suggests that the United States is hated now and always has been because of our traditional role as hard-hearted capitalist bully of the global playground.
The Pew Poll puts the lie to both of these assertions. It’s true that “they” (i.e., Everybody in the World) all hate us now, yes, but this newly widespread, virulent anti-Americanism has come about as a direct result of the policies of the Bush Administration:
The new comprehensive worldwide Pew poll of public opinion conclusively disproves both of those views. The polling data demonstrates that while America’s standing in the world is dangerously low on every continent in the world (the sole exception being Christian nations in Africa), pervasive anti-American sentiment has emerged only in the last six years. Prior to the Bush administration, America was respected and admired in most of the world, its values a source of inspiration, the ideals it espoused a source of widespread respect. Those are just facts.
The collapse of America’s moral standing in the world — the intense and widespread contempt in which we are held — is, without question, a direct by-product of our behavior over the last six years. While America, like every country, has made mistakes and engaged in wrongful behavior prior to that, it was viewed by an overwhelming majority of people in the world as a net force for good. Far from the claim by neoconservatives and their allies that the “international community” is intrinsically anti-American no matter what we do — and we should therefore ignore it and express our contempt for it — the widespread respect America commanded and the admiration for our values was, prior to George W. Bush, a vital ingredient of our national security and ability to protect our interests.
In my own travels abroad, the attitude I always encountered was that while occasionally the US would elevate a truly despicable leader like Ronald Reagan or Bush the First to power, people made a distinction between “America” and Americans. That distinction is fading away. Increasingly the attitude I get from friends in other countries and readers outside the US is, “If you guys hate George Bush so much, why aren’t you doing anything about him? He flouts your laws, he has ordered the invasion of a nation who never attacked you, he has subverted human rights and dignity around the globe. Why aren’t you rioting in the streets? Where is your famous American bravery now?”
I don’t have a good answer for that. I thought we were accomplishing something when we helped to elect a Democratic majority in 2006, but that pipe dream has evaporated in the last six months. The fact remains that while our military has gone to war, America has gone to the mall. We don’t express our dismay by way of civil disobedience because we don’t want to go to jail or lose our jobs. Does that make us cowards or just lazy? At this point, how much are we like the German citizens during World War Two who pretended that those “factories” at the edge of town were just making soap?
The day after 9/11, the French newspaper Le Monde published a headline that said, “We Are All Americans Now”.
In this tragic moment, when words seem so inadequate to express the shock people feel, the first thing that comes to mind is this: We are all Americans! We are all New Yorkers, just as surely as John F. Kennedy declared himself to be a Berliner in 1962 when he visited Berlin. Indeed, just as in the gravest moments of our own history, how can we not feel profound solidarity with those people, that country, the United States, to whom we are so close and to whom we owe our freedom, and therefore our solidarity? How can we not be struck at the same time by this observation: The new century has come a long way.
Six years later, that has become this:
The picture that emerges here is conclusively clear. In virtually every area of the world — Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Latin America and Asia — overwhelming majorities of people viewed the U.S. favorably prior to the Bush presidency. But in virtually every single country in each of those regions, the percentage which now views the U.S. favorably has collapsed, and is now confined only to minorities, often tiny minorities. The precipitous drop in U.S. credibility — from levels of great respect to levels of widespread contempt — is as stark among America’s traditional allies as it is in less friendly regions. Contrary to claims found among both America’s right and some on Europe’s left, the U.S. enjoyed great moral credibility among its Western European allies prior to the Bush presidency:
Whatever good will may have been there in the wake of one of the worst moments in American history has vanished into the mists like Brigadoon. Why?
Our standing in the world has changed profoundly over the last six years — it has collapsed almost completely — for only one reason: because we have fundamentally changed how we conduct ourselves, the principles that guide us, the values we embody. The world was not “anti-American” before the Bush presidency, but — at least in terms of how the world perceives our country — it is now. That is one of the key aspects of the Bush legacy that is “tragic.”
Plainly, America’s standing in the world can be changed again, the collapse reversed, our credibility restored. But that can happen only if we repudiate the radicalism and brutality and complete disregard for civilized norms that have defined us at our core since the 9/11 attacks. This comprehensive Pew poll provides the definitive refutation for those who claim that the U.S. has been hated for decades, as well as for those who claim that the U.S. will be hated no matter what it does.
Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and the Dear Leader’s Great War on Terror have doused America’s greatness in gasoline and set it ablaze. Everything that we were taught to value about this country is null and void under BushCo. We’re not all equal under the law. We’re no longer a world leader in human rights. We unapologetically abduct, secretly imprison, and gleefully torture citizens of other sovereign nations.
Wake up, America. They don’t hate us for our freedoms.
They hate us because, as a nation, we’re acting like assholes.
Until we as Americans rise up to smite the Right Wing Hate Industry and its various political and media appendages as the cancer on the body politic that they are (to borrow a phrase from Digby), we are all culpable. We are all guilty.
To allow this administration to complacently sit in office while we wait for the clock to run out is an act of moral cowardice. It tells the world (and future generations of Americans) that we as a nation don’t care about the laws, human rights, or anything else that interferes with our immediate comfort.
The America that the world sees now is not the America that my parents raised me to believe in, not the America that my father and both my grandfathers fought for in Vietnam, Korea, and World War Two. But until we have ousted this criminal administration, that is the America that we are.
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TRex!
zed
missed it by THAT much!
Zed secured. Now to read the post. Hi O Sexy Scaly One.
boing – reverse one and a half somersaults with two and a half twists, in the free position, no splash
G’evening everyone – Trex, how are you this fine summer evening?
Suzanne @ 5
Two and a HALF twists? You’re getting complicated! Nice dive.
What a sad post. What a sad state we find ourselves in.
Well, I don’t know if I can recover. I really wanted to be hated for my freedoms.
Wake up, America. They don’t hate us for our freedoms.
They hate us because, as a nation, we’re acting like assholes.
standing on chair clapping
TexB @ 7
Hey – I’m in California, and if things get sad, we start a self-esteem commission!
howdy folks! Patrex here!
Mutant Poodle @ 8
What freedoms you got left? I will consider hating you for any or all of them.
patrick @ 11
Het PatRex. How’s the road trip?
Has anyone let both downstairs threads know?
“At this point, how much are we like the German citizens during World War Two who pretended that those “factories” at the edge of town were just making soap?”
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VERY much like them! And I have been saying this for a couple of years. It has been VERY hard, waiting as all the good Americans say “Just wait ’til the Dems are in. THEN it will be different!” Now it seems even the lefties are getting fed up. About time!
instead of putting a spit-shine on our image, W merely spit in the world’s face.
Now whats not to like we demand everyone speak our language, see their interests as theirs, and we just forget history. Whats not to like?
The reality is, we have never been hated for our “freedoms” (whatever few we may have left). If we were hated at all by other countries, it was because of our Imperial attitudes and actions. Like establishing semi-permanent military installations in KSA or unconditional support for all the world’s dictators, as long as they talked what we wanted them to talk and paid lip service to following our ways.
TexB @ 13
Today’s been kind of boring, actually, but I have free wi-fi in the hotel room, so… not so bad.
Sad but excellent article. He is such an incredible writer; every day & every subject.
that should be see their interests as ours
Mutant Poodle @ 10
patrick @ 11
how are you surviving relaxing between gigs? or did relaxing vanish into the mists?
patrick @ 19
but how’s the gig?
I have been thinking today that CheneyCo has all along been believing that they have committed perfect crimes. That is, they don’t think of it all as crimes (perfect), but moreover, they have the terra cover at all times. They bank on secrecy and use all manner of secrecy to cover their sorry fucking asses.
Investigate lies? The truth is a secret we can’t tell you.
Investigate leaks? Well, the truth is that we have to keep all these secrets, and we can’t tell you.
A link earlier today to another toady pundit for CheneyCo, went on about the outrageous verdict. Excuse me, but that seems about as un-American as it comes, to insult the people who went through jury selection, heard the testimony, and voted unanimously to convict.
I’ve had enough. Totally fucking enough.
I also thought that we were making an actual change with the ‘06 elections. But it seems the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Impeachment’s off the table. Georgie can get away with flipping off the American people. Gas prices are up, and now so is food, but Scooter can write a quarter-million dollar check in a couple of days, and it won’t take the crease out of his Armanis.
Another day, another few of our brethren in camos come home in a box….which we’re not allowed to see on tv, bad for morale. Jesu, life is getting bad for morale.
Seems nobody but the DFH bloggers give a shit about anything, anymore.
Mutant Poodle @ 10
One of my law school professors used to say, “If you’re in California and you feel wrong, you must have a right.” : )
Evening, gang. Scrambling around here at work. The holiday left some things undone that I must now do. Talk amongst yourselves. I’ll be back.
What kind of fuckery is this? Can’t we return to explaining gay sex to young people? Then they’ll start hating us for our freedoms, all over again.
Even all. It’s a scorcher here in western Montana. 101 today and they are predicting 105 tomorrow (which would tie the all time high temperature record for Missoula). Dealt with this kind of heat all the time when I was in Oklahoma, but after nine years here, I just am not used to coping with this kind of heat. Made worse by the fact that I have no AC (do not normally need it) and cannot get any (wrong kind of windows).
I almost got banned a few years ago from an political message board for saying that some Americans were acting like “Good Germans.” So maybe I should have taken the log out of my own eye…
I am kind of excited about this TMobile Hot Spot at home thing…
If their phones synced with iSync on OS X I would already have changed my plan. I saw it in the NYTimes yesterday.
Your TMobile phone seamlessly goes back and forth between being a standard mobile handset and being a Voice over IP phone when you’re in an open Wi-Fi network. My lovely wife and I loved TMobile when we were with them, but we live so far out in the country we had to go to Cingular when we moved in.
This may fix that.
Sorry about hijacking the thread, TRex…
TRex @ 27
The Mod Squad has ya covered, TRex.
DrDick @ 29
That IS hot for Missoula – 105!
DrDick @ 29
Currently 81 and rainy here in Texas. Had the AC on for about an hour all day though I think it reached 90.
Evening, everyone.
If you don’t want to take to the streets (and I understand the reason many don’t — losing a job IS bad), then at least don’t put up with all this BS we are spoon fed. Not the usual — the other things. You all know how TeeVee has changed. Take the day after Thanksgiving. All the local TV “news” shows start with “LIVE at the mall at 6:00 am! Look at all the shoppers ready to go!!!!!”
I swear! They can tape something one year and use it for the next 10.
NO news left in AmeriKKKa.
it would be wildly optimistic to say that it will take a generation or more to repair America’s reputation abroad. I fear the damage is irreparable, and/or the U.S. is in such decline as a world power that what people think of us will no longer matter.
57 degrees here. Not nearly as nice as last week.
DrDick @ 29
Visualize cold water. Then find it and submerge. Do not remove DrDick from the cold water.
not to detract from the larger point, but imo one of the more pedestrian reasons that citizens of other countries hate us is that many of our compatriots act like total f****g assholes when they are abroad, most notably in expecting everyone everywhere to speak/understand English. The French, in particular, don’t like that merde.
punaise @ 37
Gee I hope you are wrong.
>I thought we were accomplishing something when we helped to elect a Democratic majority in 2006, but that pipe dream has evaporated in the last six months.
That speaks more to your lack of political realism than to Democratic failures. The idea that Dems, with a fingernail majority in the Senate, were going to stop the war or remove Bush (the second really being a requirement for the first) was indeed a pipe dream. 2006 was simply the first step towards change in 2008. That is, unless too many progressives, sulking because their fantasy didn’t become reality, stay home or go for Nader and help put another GOP Bush-clone in the White House.
Over 100 degrees in Montana? Global warming? Naaaah. Sen Inhofe says NO!
I suggest a damp t-shirt. Lovely way to be cool in crazy heat.
I want the return of the fog. Please. Was 95 in the shade yesterday and 90 today. The forest is all droopy and a tinderbox. Trees are testing already as being at late August humidity levels. Not good.
bg @ 44
Also fans, and sleeping under a wet sheet.
greenwarrior @ 39
I tried that yesterday when I floated the Blackfoot River for five hours. It was wonderful (though I did get sunburned). Today I have resorted to a trip to the mall (which I loathe) and frequent cold showers.
Punaise-
i have copiously documented my struggles to learn all of the Psychedelic Furs songs in two rehearsals and just a few gigs on my blog, but in summary, I can say “Sometimes I’m up, sometimes I down…Right on People!”
It’s been a challenge, and it’s been somewhat harder than I expected. But, it’s rock and roll, and it’s been a new experience!
Suzanne @ 14
Just did.
109 dedamngrees Rancho Cordova CA
S U C K S S C I S S O R S ! !
Hi all.
It is a very well written article, and truly said. And it’s depressing.
I just don’t know how to stop this administration. Everything we’ve been through and today T. Snow telling Conyers and crew to “knock themselves out.”
Bush and his group are like moving targets. With them changing the rules to fit their game, how can we stop them?
oddmommy @ 40
yes, that used to be one of the main reasons, but now, with the policies and actions of our criminals in office, imo that has waaay taken precedence over being offended by arrogant yet provincial tourists.
As a Canadian I can no longer defend America on almost any subject or on any level.
You have taken the tragedy of 9/11 and lost every ounce of support you had that day. You have not declared a police and intelligence battle against extremists you have instead launched a global war on Islam. You are appalling.
Your Christians think it’s OK to cluster bomb countries around the world and let over 40 million at home not have health care. You’re the ONLY Christian nation on EARTH that has bastardized and corrupted Christian TRUTHS.
You are the worse country in the free world. You may be the strongest; but you lead no one.
punaise @ 37
Sadly, I think you may be right.
punaise @ 37
Once the ruling elite loses its interest in securing education and health for its citizens, the slide becomes rapid. At the end of WWII, we controlled over half the world’s productivity, our educational system was on an upward trajectory, we painfully dealt with many of our civil rights problems, and actually helped other countries in meaningful ways. The only things sustaining the old US empire at this point is force of arms and our ability to blackmail many country’s leaders..
patrick – thanks, I’ll check it out.
remember the words of P. Gabriel: “it’s only knock and know all, but I like it.”
ET, you have facebook mail.
Oh Mary M, I hope you have air conditioning. I don’t and could not imagine living in Sac without it.
Excellent post, TRex. It drives me crazy that Bush is still sitting in office with nothing touching him. I don’t care that there isn’t a whole lot of time left! The problem is, I don’t know what to do. What can we do?
demi @ 51
I keep hearing people on the tv say if Bush breaks more laws there is really nothing to be done cause Abu Gonzales is his firewall. And one of his boyfriends.
And CheneyCo give not a nanosecond of care to this sad situation. Why bother their beautiful minds with this fate? They love nothing but power and money. And only those if it is their power and their money.
Mary McCurnin –
I am THERE. I am staying indoors until October! Really — it is forecast over 100 for at least the next week.
Mary McCurnin @ 50
yikes! In that case I won’t mention the pleasant weather bayside.
Mary McCurnin @ 60
Please tell me the boyfriends comment really was on the TV. please
greenwarrior @ 52
Too true and it really always has been at the heart of anti-Americanism. Nobody hates the Germans, even though they now have the reputation as the most obnoxious tourists. Japanese aren’t much better actually and the world (except the folks they conquered in the 1930s and 1940s) doesn’t hate them either. The cultural arrogance of American travelers just compounds anger at US policies.
Suzanne @ 59
Yes!!! I would be a dead person right now without it. Really.
Trex,
Did Keith Olberman write that for you?
oddmommy @ 40
Wow — you are so right. And visiting Americans can be so LOUD too. We (our USA contingent) spend a lot of time trying to convince our UK and European friends that we don’t buy into this administration. When we make a plea for understanding, they are almost surprised. This is sad.
punaise @ 37
I think it very much depends on what happens between now and Dec 2008. If Congress increases its efforts to hold BushCo accountable (obviously a foreign concept to the “Free Scooter” brigade at 1600 Penn Ave.), if public pressures continue to mount against the war (even perhaps forcing a change in deployments!), and if a progressive, internationalist Democrat wins the presidential election, I think that much of the world will start to view Dubya as an abberation.
If said Democrat then leads a truly international effort against global warming, cleaning up land mines, and/or some other global issue that has been ignored (at best) or opposed (more likely) by Bush, then it won’t take a generation.
That’s a lot of “if’s,” of course. But that’s where folks like us come in. How does that TRex refrain go?
Attack!
ATTACK!!
AAATTTAAACCCKKK!!!
Now I wonder at the summer temp.s as a boy in Great Falls or Ogden farther south. The smell of melting pavement and DDT trucks. Now no glaciers, and oh so much Disneyland nature. If only the rest of the world was our theme park.
Mary McCurnin @ 60
I’ve seen some photos of the two of them and if ever anyone gushed at their sweetie more than Nancy Reagan to Ronnie, it’s Buttercheeks and Georgie. I try not to see it, it creeps me out, but, I have to agree with you.
It’s 95 on my fron porch North of LA.
Here in central FL we’re having 91-93F…with 90% humidity. Walk outside; stepping through the door is like being wrapped in a hot, smothering, sodden blanket of what we call “humiture”. You never get used to it. There’s a reason nobody lived here before the invention of AC. Feeling your pain, DrDick!
well I won’t be flaunting the American flag in France this August. that said, my experience there is that people distinguish between the indivuals (sometimes good, sometines boorish) and the govt. (guess which!)
Mary McCurnin @ 50
Can’t stay but …
It’s 98 right now
oddmommy @ 40
But if you don’t expect it, and just point and smile, their English comes to the surface. (if they can speak English.) Agreed that we need to be totally respectful of the culture when we visit abroad.
Mylegacy @ 53
Most of the rest of what you say is spot on, but there is no nation on earth which doesn’t abuse spiritual TRUTHS of one sort or another. We are the worst, for sure, though Israel and Saudi Arabia envy us in that regard.
By inspiration, no. By threat, they shuffle along.
“Palfrey noted that her clients opened themselves to the possibility of blackmail. Randall Tobias, for example, was the head of the Agency for International Development, which has often provided cover for CIA agents. Tobias would thus have access to a list of undercover operatives. The idea of a man entrusted with such information being sexually compromised is troubling.
Palfrey made one startling admission to The BRAD BLOG: She had no way of knowing just who her associates were. Pamela Martin & Associates did not have the ability to run thorough background checks on the women who acted as escorts. The possibility exists that clients holding government positions dealt with women who had an external loyalty to (say) a foreign intelligence service, or to a corporation seeking changes in government regulations.
Thus, Palfrey feels that some of her clients may have behaved recklessly and could even have “betrayed the public trust.”
Where have I heard some of that that language before…???
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4775
Just to clarify…I respect everyone’s preferences for sexual parners as long as it’s not a big lie to the wife and kids, etc. and as long as you’re not using your relationship to fuck up the country.
Just wanted to make sure you all know what creeps me out.
The Palfrey story pops up again whilst the Congress is outa’ town? Nice.
I hate myself for my freedom.
but back to Libby: this is a pretty interesting article suggesting fitz should reopen the whole dang-blanged shabang:
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..r_fitz.htm
At leasr in Sacramento, it usually isn’t humid. With high humidity, I would be dead in these temps.
LS @ 77
Maybe a simple “Libby Motion” could clear all that “betrayed the public trust” stuff up.
Loo Hoo. @ 75
I also helps if you at least make a sincere effort to learn a little of their language (except perhaps with the French). You would be amazed how much good will that generates.
TexB @ 12
I scarf chocolate chip cookies with neither guilt nor visible surveillance.
I’ve seen some photos of the two of them and if ever anyone gushed at their sweetie more than Nancy Reagan to Ronnie, it’s Buttercheeks and Georgie. I try not to see it, it creeps me out, but, I have to agree with you.
fredo is ‘the’ help.
TexB @ 41
If our government can/is repaired, then I believe our government’s reputation will mend itself fairly readily.
Most importantly, the point really is that we’ve gotten to the place where we have no habeas corpus. This is in addition to years of increasingly squelching protest. And people are afraid to rock the boat. Afraid to go to jail, to be injured, to be killed, to lose their jobs. Unlike the Ukraine where people were in the streets immediately after a fraudulent election and didn’t leave the streets.
We’ve been through very repressive times before where only money spoke and government and law enforcement worked in their service. We know it’s possible to come out the other side.
My greatest fears, and why I worked so hard on the 2004 election, was the installation of new Supreme Court justices and that our descent into fascism could greatly accelerate.
So now we’re here. We have Blackwater.
I cry a lot. I’m angry a lot.
I want to understand what part it is that I’m personally called to play to bring back our democracy. That will, for me, require looking deep inside. I think I’m way past due to start the process.
And being here at the Lake helps. As there are others here who know what’s happening to us and are equally disturbed by it.
How patriotic do you feel the Bush Administration is with their flags in their lapels? Maybe it should be pointed out that not only does the rest of the world hate America but to an even higher degree, so does the Bush Administration.
TexB,
Sweet! Good old Pete Seeger.
Mutant Poodle @ 84
Do not look too closely at the light fixture on your right (or at least wave to the nice government men).
ON topic, by the way-
I found this great quote by Werner Herzog today that kind of summed it up nicely to me:
He was talking about his new film “Rescue Dawn,” which I found after following a link from Roy Edroso at Alicublog. I felt like Herzog was capturing something important in that quote that we have to remember…. that it’s a GOOD THING to be an American, because whomever is in the White House DOES NOT CHANGE what is good about our national character, though it may be time to chase some people through the streets…
Loo Hoo
thank you for the thank you.
Mutant Poodle @ 84
OK. You win. I hate you for your freedoms. Especially the freedom from guilt.
Peterr @ 82
Smack. I could have had a V-8! :)
As a non-American (aussie) I’d say, don’t be so hard on yourselves!
We’re not blind. We know how Bush “won” the White House. And we can see how hard you guys are trying to rid the world of Bush.
Less worrying about non-American feelings and more effort into unseating Bush is all that is required.
World opinion will come round once he is gone.
Y’all see this?
National Hurricane Center Workers: New Boss Necessary Before Start Of Storm Season
DrDick @ 89
Hey – as long as they don’t eat any of the cookies, they’re fine.
sjk — Thanks for seeing our efforts.
If we re-elect President Gore, will the world hate us a little less?
dr. dick-
years ago, i learned from a ’society’ friend who had to attend lots of openings, and functions—-on her feet a lot, and lots of them HOT in the summer……
she taught me, best way to cool off quickly is your feet…….how did i find this out? she had to attend three functions in one day and then host the fourth of july onthespot reporting for local catv…….had me watch the bathroom door while she changed clothes from dedicating new sculpture her family donated, then was on to the courthouse for fourth of july festivities—-she grabbed the side of the stalls while she flushed water and alternated sticking her feet into the toilet…….no kidding………she was a new woman.
make some really cold water and soak your feet in it…….only takes a few minutes, and it works.
TexB @ 92
I don’t out spies – that helps a lot.
TexB @ 95
I hope they sent Mother Nature the memo…
sjk @ 94
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you.
I wish more people outside the US could see that. I read so many posts that say why are you putting up with this? I just don’t know how to respond. Like DrDick, I only go to the mall when it’s over 100 outside for the respite of walking around in cool air, but I never ever shop there.
You made me feel a little bit better.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 80
I was wondering what you could recommend for someone who has pulled most of his hair out in frustration over the last few years or lost it over worry. Now I have been told just sticking my head in a bucket of various substances would correct the situation, or just placing it under the sand for a few years would cure it. As you have a line to a wig shop what do you think?
Mary McCurnin @ 50
Ouch!
dmac @ 100
I’ve hiked to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite national park several times, and always, always on the way down stop just above Nevada falls and strip off the shoes and socks so that I can have a quick foot soak in 40 degree water.
You can almost see the feet shrinking, and it takes you home.
Somewhat OT..but I have a qualitative impression that the “cute” names for George Bush are being used less and less. As the exposure of the criminality of this President increases, perhaps “cute names” are no longer appropriate for a mass murder and war criminal. George Bush is the correct name for this psychopath.
Steve @ 106
I believe your observation is correct. And I agree with your conclusion too.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 85
Yea. Fredo says “Let me help you with that little thing.”
Just got off the phone with Baby Girl, who is in St George, Ut. 121 forkin degrees there today.
LS @ 77
Hmm. my comment disappeared. Trying again.
Why doesn’t she just publish the list to the net and let the network do the walking?
So what do we the people get for our faster, better criminal government?
Mylegacy @ 53
I love Canada! And it is hard to argue other than these “Christians” are actually “devils”. But you can look forward to joining the United States and Mexico in the “North American Union”.
Evenin’ all !!!
As a Canuck with lots of American friends and relatives, let me say how awful it was to watch what unfolded on 9/11.
I was playing with my kids that fateful morning when I got a call and turned on the T.V. I was stunned to see the airplane going into the second tower, realizing that a cousin worked in that building … it would be 15 hours before we heard that he survived.
When the towers came down and news of how many Firemen and Polce Officers were trapped inside, I became very angry … who made this ridiculous plan and who was in charge?
When Bush gave his big speech before Congress, the world stood united with America and my family members sat transfixed, watching him. At the end of his speech, we looked at each other and didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
There he was, the self- proclaimed leader of the free world, claiming the terrorists did this because they hated America’s freedom, winking at the crowd while Laura smiled in that ‘Stepford Wives’ way, only more plastic.
Then we had to watch Giuliani … the idiot behind the planning that led to far greater casualties … postulate before the cameras and proclaim himself as America’s Mayor.
It was sickening and revolting, but public opinion was surging in their direction. The MSM played right along.
Thankfully, we have the internet & blogs and public opinion has swung in the other direction. There is enough momentum to sweep these criminals out of the White House, and if the Dems seize the initiative to lead, this is achievable.
If you impeach Bush & Cheney and remove them from office, worldwide animosity will subside greatly. If you do nothing, the contempt that the world has for America and its people will last for generations.
Suzanne @ 109
Good God! That is cruel and unusual punishment.
There is a public trust? Who would have thunk it.
TexB @ 95
They NEVER should have gotten rid of Max Mayfield. He did a great job. But he did make the mistake of telling the truth.
Wow. Der Spiegel is like Time–it’s no left-wing magazine. Wow. America’s Shame. That sounds about right.
Mylegacy @ 53
True. I hope you remember that we are working hard to change all that you have said.
argosfalcon @ 115
Used to be, but Bush revoked it with a signing statement early in his first (mal)administration.
Maybe this is OT, but maybe not.
This is what I did today to not be an asshole.
Baked. You’re saying in this heat? Yup, I’m crazy.
Since my son is off at camp, we skipped the fireworks last night and went to a local bar and shot pool. Loud music, beer and people all flirty and shaking their tail feathers.
Someone had brought a huge basket of home grown zucchini. No one else wanted any and we brought all of them home.
I baked two huge stuffed zucchini casseroles, one of which I’m goint to take back down to the bar. Probably tomorrow night. Two nights in a row is a bit much. We usually only hit in once every three months or so.
So, any hungry pups, put out your plates….
Mutant Poodle @ 84
Are you gonna tell her about your freedom to imagine Angie in neoprene ?!! *g*
You’re the ONLY Christian nation on EARTH that has bastardized and corrupted Christian TRUTHS.
———-
not to cherry pick at your idealistic thoughts but regarding christian truths…..well, you know, the inquisition and all that…
The title on the cover of Der Spiegel sums up the last six years: America’s Shame: Torture in the Name of Freedom.
That is perhaps the best statement of the legacy of Karl Rove, writ large. You could be talking about the environment, about the tax policies, about immigration, about DOJ career appointments, or anything else, and it all boils down to this: oxymorons as governmental policy.
Weather is just a rumor started by those who wish America harm, now the failing satellite system is just an illusion created by Gore for his movie.
demi @ 120
I’ve suddenly got a bunch of yellow squash I grew. Can I apply the squash to the recipe instead of the zuccchini? What’s the recipe?
TexB @ 12
Well, no one has ever tried to quarter any soldiers in my house in peacetime, so the Third Amendment seems to still be in full force and effect.
How can you be hated for freedoms you no longer have?
DrDick @ 83
LOL. France was the only place in Europe and Scandinavia and Israel that they didn’t respond when I tried to speak their language. And I’d had 6 years of French by the time I got out of high school, then 3 years of college French! They just looked at me like I was an unpleasant wart that had appeared in the space opposite them.
burnspbesq @ 126
Ever since I heard that, I thought it reminded me of the “Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful” add for shampoo or something…they just make this stuff up in their little quartet/quintet whatever meetings…sounds like a Mary Matlin suggestion.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 122
yes, I take some serious issue with that. Starting with the Vatican, for example. And I don’t know what you mean by “Christian nation” but I’d like to hear you name one that has not “corrupted Christian truths.” Assuming, without knowing, that you mean by that the teachings of JC.
well, here I come with more thread shredding hijackness, but I have been watching the documentary that Hanson made about trying to make their most recent record. You may remember Hanson as the kids behind “MmmBop,” which was sunny, if a little annoying for its simplicity.
Watching them struggle with Island/DefJam at they tried to make a follow-up is EXCRUCIATING. It also kinda illustrates what’s wrong with the record industry. The band was ready to grow in a very late-Beach Boys/Fountains of Wayne direction, and the label… well… you gotta watch it.
The whole thing is free from iTunes in small podcastable chunks.
LS,
Boil the squash until it’s tender enough to cut in half and scoop out the innards.
Mix that together with breadcrumbs, onion, tomatoes shredded cheese and (optional) cooked hamburger meat. You could add any other vegetables you want. Fill the shells/rinds with the mixture and bake it up.
argosfalcon @ 127
Because The Decider decided that was the reason. Just as he decided to take away our freedoms.
They don’t have to quarter soldiers, all they have to do is condemn your house give it to KBR, and no problem.
argosfalcon @ 127
It basically translates to, “they” the terrorists hate us because we are free, so it is all our fault. That is, it’s our fault when it’s not Clinton’s fault.
DrDick @ 83
LOL. All over Europe, Scandinavia and Israel people responded when I tried to speak their language, except France. And I’d taken 6 years of French by the time I finished high school and 3 years in college! They just looked at me like some unpleasant wartlike creature had sprung up in front of them.
demi @ 132
Thanks! I’ll try it!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 122
Thanks Mabel, I didn’t know how to begin to respond to that comment. I would add … Harumph … Ye Olde British Empire …
Conyers should restrain discussion of previous pardons in his hearings as Clintons Rich pardon and others (e.g. Bush 41’s pardon of the Iran-Contra bunch) was specifically discussed in a hearing held back in 2001 (led by the Reoublican majority I believe).
The topic of this hearing should focus on Bush’s commutation and whether it obstructs justice by blocking Fitz’s capability of obtaining truthful testimony from the convicted perjurer regarding his knowledge of the actions and intent of his superiors and colleagues in passing along Plame’s identity when they knew full well that she worked in the covert operations wing of the CIA.
Libby, and others, should be called forward to testify as to that knowledge.
It should be made clear that “Executive Privelege” should not be an issue as this doesn’t relate to ADVICE GIVEN directly to Bush by Libby…but discussions b/w the VP and Libby(as well as others) and ACTIONS (not advice) that were undertaken.
However, if the President wishes to clarify that he does not intend that Libby’s commutation be taken as an act of “obstruction” the President can indicate that he will encourage that Libby testify fully about any conversations about the Plame/Wilson activities he had with the President as well. In fact he could state that such cooperation should be made part of any service of supervised freedom over the next two years.
And Bush shoukld announce he will allow the Vice-President to face questions of the Committee, and will testify himself if necessary.
That would assist in clearing the taint of charges of “obstruction”…full disclosure of meeting notes, documents (such as the infamous declassification decision), and sworn testimony.
demi @ 132
Skip the meat and bring it to firepup picnic on sunday!
oddmommy @ 40
True, but in Paris quand on essaie a user leur Francais de l’ecole secondaire, you can hear them snickering for at least five minutes after you walk out of the store. On ne peut jamais gagner.
demi @ 132
wow, that sounds yummy! Gotta try it.
Patrick,
I don’t know your music, so please forgive me. But, that said, have you seen the movie “Once” or listened to the Frames?
oddmommy @ 130
True. There are also the crusades, the witch trials, the use of Christianity to justify slavery and the slaughter/dispossession of indigenous peoples in Africa, Asia, Australia, and the Americas. There does not seem to be a single Christian denomination nor country with clean hands. In fairness there have also been persecutions in the name of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and most other religions as well.
Mary McCurnin @ 116
No, he simply made the decision to retire after 34 years of hurricanes, including two very rough seasons in the last three years. “Mayfield, 57, admits that the 2004 and 2005 seasons contributed heavily to his decision, saying he spent too many nights on the couch of his office and not enough at home.” (from the South Florida Sun-Sentinal, quoted here as original link is busted.)
After 2000, I wanted to print up bumperstickers that said:
“Don’t blame America. We voted for Gore.”
It took me a while to tumble to the fact (IMHO) that America voted for Kerry, too. But that’s a different story.
Anyway, I’ve done enough today to teach my fellow pups Yiddish. See, All in the Family, Comment #14 as well as on my own blog. Please allow me to continue a little bit more.
The cover of Der Spiegel would be the same in Yiddish or German. It says: “America’s Shame,” over what appears to be a picture of Abu Ghraib.
I think that says about all we need to know about why they hate us.
“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”
Christine Edmonson @ 143
Gosh, no. Tell me more…
TexB @ 140
I’ll do my best!
Mary McCurnin @ 50
I live in midtown Sacto…but head for the tropics every Summer to avoid the heat. Currently I’m in Kuching, Sarawak in Borneo. It’s hot, and a tad humid, but nothing that getting a lemon ice tea or iced mango drink can’t solve (with a little shade).
Eventually I’ll be up in the highlands where we actually have to where a sweatshirt at night. On the equator!
The virtual picnic on Sunday?
See, if I take some down to the bar, there are some folks down there who probably don’t eat very healthy meals. It’s the only bar in town and gets a faily diverse crowd, but I noticed several people who may be homeless, or thereabouts. So, it’s a way to Feed The Flocks.
demi @ 120
Yo demi, how’s it shakin’ ?!! (when was the last time you heard that ? *g*)
One suggestion for the future … Zucchini loaves/bread … we make 3 large pans and they magically disappear when we take it by our neighbors …
patrick @ 90
I wish I could agree. I used to feel like Herzog, admiring the resilience, the pragmatism. Today, someone like Snow can just laugh any serious questioner in the face and put him down. In the media, the one who screams loudest wins.
Also: My relatives who are not college educated hated Bush five years ago because of Kyoto treaty (at the time, for people I knew in the US, it was, Kyoto what??). Today, they don’t want anything to do with anything American. Today, people over there in Spiegel Land give me very funny looks when I say I live here (am over there three times a year). Many will never visit again because they do not want to be treated like criminals at airport immigration.
I have shown foreigners around DC during Clinton, and they all loved him. Italian women were all gaga over the fact that during a huge New Year’s Eve bash, they spotted a few dozen women who looked like Monica. They thought Americans were completely cuckoo that such an affair would lead to impeachment.
demi @ 150
This is actually a real live picnic in Central Texas. Folks coming from Waco/Crawford, the Hill Country, San Antonio, Austin, and points between.
demi @ 51
To injustice belongs injustice.
I began to get worried for all of you during the Bill Clinton witch-hunt, and that queasy ‘WTF is going on with those people?’ feeling continued into the 2000 election. I remember talking to a friend in Montreal at the time about the electoral shenanigans in Florida and we both had the same reaction: “THIS is how the leader of the free world gets chosen? Holy crap!!” Then the US media basically let the Bushes stage a coup that a third-rate banana republic would find amateurish and nobody said boo. The queasy feeling surfaced again in 2003 with the lead-up to the Iraq invasion – it was blindingly clear to outside observers that Bush was lying, but nobody in the media wanted to point out the obvious. And now we’re getting new revelations of the Bush administration’s total corruption every day and…the media’s still covering for them. Does Dick Cheney have dossiers on all these people or something? It’s incredibly creepy.
I wish I had some constructive advice to offer but right now all I can think of is: y’all really have to do something about that electoral college nonsense. It would make stealing elections a whole lot harder.
oddmommy @ 142
Given the temps folks are talking about, you could probably wrap it tightly in foil, set it outside for an hour or so, and skip heating up the kitchen with the oven or firing up the BBQ grill.
Petrocelli @ 121
Ah yes. There is that, my Canadian friend. There is that.
Heading home, gang.
mutant at 105 says-
“I’ve hiked to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite national park several times, and always, always on the way down stop just above Nevada falls and strip off the shoes and socks so that I can have a quick foot soak in 40 degree water.
You can almost see the feet shrinking, and it takes you home.”
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yessssssssss……..used to do that, too, when i went hiking………nuthin’ like it…….so dr. dick, get out some ice, water, and a bowl, and soak your feet for a minute! that’s an order!
Ah now it all makes sense, we are to blame we were too free to the theocracy, and so we are to blame and so “its all Clinton’s fault” now that will take a bit more work than quantum free energy and earthquake prediction combined, but now that there is only 6,000years of data and you can always say “God works in mysterious ways” your home free.
OT.and probably re-post..but..
(July 05, 2007 — 10:11 PM EST // link)
The indictment can’t be far off: Doolittle wants US troops out of combat in Iraq.
– Josh Marshal
I would call this move; an attempt to contaminate the jury pool. Hopefully Julie will end up in federal prison also.
burnspbesq @ 141
oui. Je suppose que vous avez raison. Cependent, sur l’autre main, si ils ont cette attitude obnoxieuse………fuckez-ils.
patrick @ 147
This is an indie film just out with the lead singer/musician from the Frames. He was in the 1991 film, the Commitments — an amazing film about soul in Dublin. The music in Once is amazing, and the whole point of the film is the recording session.
oddmommy @ 161
“fuckez-ils” is not in my dictionary, but I am a good language student so I will guess.
Petrocelli @ 151
Petro – been a while since I heard that, but, hey man, things are cool.
And, yes zucchine bread was already on the menu for tomorrow!
Re Canadians,
I know Americans have become more detestable. Canada is less accomodating toward rebellious or courageous Americans than they used to be, even before the current PM came on. After I got out of the Army in 1967, thinking “nobody should have to do this shit,” from 1968 to sometime just before 1970, I helped the American Friend’s Service Committee get draft dodgers into BC. My clients were all out on bail. We’d move them across at night between Canadian and Washington state gillnetters and small crab boats.
We had to do this with these guys because they had already been arrested and were out on bail. At that time, if you crossed into Canada from a border entry point, you had to fill out a piece of paper asking if you were out on bail. If you lied when filling out the paper – you couldn’t get in if you were on bail – then your Landed immagrancy application could be rejected. But if you showed up inside of the country to apply, they didn’t ask you how you got there.
Most of the guys stayed. One was mayor of Nanaimo a while back. The four guys who came back had all tried to make it in the countryside or interior of BC or Alberta. They all had similar complaints about Canada. My favorite one was “These people are too white. They don’t even KNOW they don’t have rhythm.”
TexB @ 153
Wish I could join you. It’s a bit of a hike from LA, CA though.
Steve @ 160
Off Topic is encouraged here at Late Nite and Late Late Nite.
Steve, I agree, Doolittle (gee is that guy aptly named or what) is feeling some heat and its not from the weather.
TexB @ 140
I’ll do my best!empressmitzi @ 154
I live here, and I felt the same way at the same time. The country got blind-sided and is only now recovering. Yes, I agree we’ve been coup’d, but we will get out of it, slowly but surely.
We are acting like assholes. Why aren’t we roiting in the streets?
I despair sometimes about the apathy of the American public.
I don’t get to the Lake that often lately (five year-old, new wife, and new job), but I am the typical example of why we aren’t rioting.
The collapsing dollar and the American rat-race of a economic system keeps me too busy to riot.
It is all by design.
DrDick @ 144
I have never met such a misinformed Canadian … thanks Mabel and DrDick for your insights.
Laura Doty, my pleasure. You may want to link that again, in the spirit of other peoples thinking kinder thoughts of Americans. I left her a comment.
sjk @ 94
Thank you for your kind words. Helps.
demi @ 51
It’s Calvin & Hobbes tag! first one to the third wicket has to climb the tree, drink a glass of milk and pee on the bushes (pun intended) in order to continue play. Penalty includes random selection of self-flagellation, starvation, and loss of hope. For a bonus round, Lucy will hold the football for Charlie Brown to kick, for real this time.
demi @ 150
You have a heart of Gold and I hope you always remember that … if you ever forget, give me a call and I’ll remind ya !!!
At our local 4th of July parade, two things stood out. One is that while various military officers, organizations, and military-related floats received a polite reaction, the loudest cheers of the very long parade were for the “Peace Now” women in pink. By far. Folks got up off their seat on the curb and cheered loudly.
The second thing that stands out was a float by a local club of owners of small dogs. They must have had about 40 of these little dogs on their float, another 10 taking their turn walking alongside (make that running — those legs are too short to walk and keep up!). The float was decorated with the name of the group and all kinds of signs and slogans. On the front, though, was the best: Dog Bless America.
TexB @ 153
Please post pix, Betsy and give everyone lots of hugs from all of us who couldn’t make it !
Christine Edmonson @ 162
I loved LOVED the Commitments. I’d love to see that film. I will check and see if I can find it.
Thanks for the tip!
postmodernista @ 173
Calvinball! Yeah!
Well hate to be cynical, (but here goes) apathy, lead to tedium, tedium lead to incompetence, and incompetence lead to war and waist. So what do we propose and how do we make it happen for us and our future generations?
Calvinball! Yeah!
not to be confused with a Cannonball to cool off all the hot pups.
Ahhhh. Much better. Just took a quick dip in a tub of cold water (an old Okie trick I leaned in grad school), which is much more effective than a foot bath. Now that the sun is finally down, the temps have dropped below 90 and it is tolerable again. It is actually supposed to drop down to 60 overnight (but probably not befor midnight).
Or from a small mind what next?
Alfred gave me 9 different links this morning that he wanted me to share with y’all. (I think his dad was sleeping.) However …. being lazy and all ….. it was far easier to simply paste them all in one place where links are easier and then just send you to go read all 9.
Here’s the link.
My progressive, pony-tailed pastor went through a phase several years ago where he did a whole series of sermons based on the gospel according to Calvin and Hobbes.
Petro – You’re just too sweet for words. I try to remember.
PeterR
Tin foil and outside it is…great idea.
DrDick @ 181
Dip a bandana in cool water and wrap it around your next. Also, cold water on the inside of your wrists.
Reposted on Loo Hoo’s good advice, an example of compassion from another part of the world here
(please leave a note if you’re so moved….if means a lot to these writers).
thebetsyblog? you been holding out on us, Tex?
Okay. We have what we have.
We knew all of this last November and voted a Democratic majority in the House, and – more or less – an even split in the Senate. But these craven sociopaths in the Executive branch are still stacking the deck in their own favor. Yeah, it not only sucks — more than our reputation is truly suffering.
Right now, we are disappointed(to put it mildly) that the Democratic majority that we supported with money, time, votes (including getting our friends and neighbors to the polls) have not shown the same outrage for the administration’s actions that we have. Are we betrayed, or are we being kept in the dark about the case(s) being built against the perpetrators? I desperately hope (dream?) it is the latter.
The Rightards would eagerly have us believe that we have been betrayed. Wow. What a demoralizing thought. There would be no better way to keep us from building on the foundation that has been carefully put into place. If we were betrayed, we would stay home and no longer support the opposition. So far, the only realistic threat to a Repub majority. If we were betrayed, we might support a third party, thereby splitting our own growing strength in numbers.
The twenty-first century progressives are in the same position today that the conservatives were in thirty years ago. Our best and only choice for success is to continue to support our candidates, and yes even centrist Democrats when more progressive candidates are not available in those districts (Connecticut excluded). The strongest opposition to the current regime is this road that we chose two years ago.
We are not there yet. We do not yet have the overwhelming strength in numbers to truly marginalize the conservatives trying to stretch out or even somehow extend the downhill side to their time in the sun. But we can. There is no perfect record in the winning of battles, but we must keep in mind that it is the war we want to win. In history, the momentum of wars have changed on the outcome of a single battle. We must keep fighting.
We have to get someone in the White House who will have oversight over the Dept of Justice. We have to get someone in the White House who will put people in the Cabinet who will not pillage our treasury and natural resources. We have to put someone in the White House who will restore Habeas Corpus, close Guantanamo, and hire diplomats instead of oil company lobbyists as representatives to our nation. To do this, we have to continue to commit ourselves to the goals we established two years ago. We have to continue to stick together, continue to recruit using reason and reality.
Shorter jcricket: We gotta have faith in ourselves and in the knowledge that we are doing the right thing. It is our calling.
/rant
Suzanne @ 187
I don’t blog. I occasionally re-publish stuff or post photos. Mostly because having a blogger nickname makes it easier for me to leave comments on other people’s blogs.
Ed*ard Teller @ 166
LOL !!!
That last line is so true, to this day … we play reggae and calypso and they do the Polka to it … *g*
TexB @ 185
Thanks. Probably won’t need it now. I do not really feel like it is hot until it is over 90 (I haven’t lost ALL of my Okie conditioning), but can’t take much 90 heat any more. Weird given that I lived for 46 years in places where it was routinely over 90 in the summer.
oddmommy @ 162
Bien sur.
The French hate everyone who isn’t French. I’m trying to imagine the reception that Eva Longoria is going to get the first time she tries to walk around Paris as Mme. Parker, and I’m guessing it won’t be pretty.
patrick @ 178
When you do, take your hankie! There is also, love.
Chris
So, it’s officially Bush’s birthday here on the east coast. What do you get the man who has everything? How about an impeachment–he doesn’t have one of those yet.
Renee in Ohio @ 194
With 61 counts?
Ahh
jcricket @ 188
Now now a sandbag in our redoubt, and a point of strategy to work with. But who would care and how many would stand with us, not unlike the founders of this nation?
Renee in Ohio @ 194
An all expenses paid trip to the Hague with special accommodations provided?
That all depended on how distinct the distinction was in the mind of said American.
A little story…Years ago, I had the ‘pleasure’ of meeting a U.S. Government official, one who regularily took trips round the world to far-flung locales as part of his duties…The location of our encounter was Brazil.
One would think that such regular experience with the vibrant palette of indigenous cultures and customs would broaden one’s horizons, perhaps even allow one to develop a worldly outlook.
No.
He castigated Arabian men for wearing ‘turbines’ on their heads, and hectored the locals in Brazil for not speaking ‘American’.
An exception to normal good manners whilst abroad? Perhaps so, but it has been my experience that Americans exhibit their best qualities in America.
TexB @ 186
The weirdest thing I have found that works against the Texas heat if you have to do work outside, is to wear a white cotton T-shirt, with a white cotton longsleeved shirt on top. For about 2 minutes you sweat, then suddenly you feel like you are “wearing” an air-conditioner. It is bassackwards, but it really works. The bandana soaked in water or ice, works great also.
Renee in Ohio @ 194
I think it is the perfect gift, Renee.
oddmommy @ 161
707!
Mylegacy @ 53
I have waited and thought about this comment for quite a long time but I feel that I have to speak up.
Americans are good, decent people who work hard as I am sure Canadians are.
I feel that your words are very disrespectful to our country. We have faults and warts and trying times. We have many things that need to be fixed and right now it take a long time to get anything done because we are stopped at every turn by the most corrupt gov’t we have ever had.
We are trying and we will succeed.
We also do not yet bow our head for the monarchy.
The Financial Times of London — no lefty progressive paper — weighed in yesterday on the commutation of Libby’s prison time. The conclusion is this:
That captures it pretty well. On the subject of this post, it also reflects a desire on the part of at least one non-US paper to distinguish between Bush and the US system of government.
Depressed tonight. Received a “no” on last week’s job interview. Sigh. The state of our nation appalls me. The state of the environment horrifies me. Sigh. The “shit” won’t really stay uncovered until Pluto moves into Capricorn in Jan. ‘08. Capricorn represents government, authority figures, corporations, etc; Pluto moves slowly and thoroughly roto-rooters each sign it passes thru. Pagegate, DC Madam, and much more will be making headlines that won’t go away. As Pluto is finishing with Sagittarius (organized religion) we may see a strong link from Catholic priest abuse leading us into government connections. Stay tuned!
Talk of zucchini briefly cheered me up and sent me digging for this excellent recipe:
Chocolate Zucchini Cake
1/2 cup butter
1-3/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup oil
2 eggs
1 tsp vanilla
1/2 cup sour milk
2-1/2 cups flour
1/ cup unsweeted cocoa powder
1 tsp baking soda
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp salt
2 cups shredded zucchini
Topping:
1 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips
1/2 cup brown sugar
1/4 cup chopped nuts
Mix topping ingredients, set aside. Cream butter and sugar. Add oil, eggs and vanilla. Beat together. Sift dry ingredients together, add alternately with sour milk (to make sour milk, add 1-1/2 tsp lemon juice or vinegar to 1/2 cup milk). Mix in zucchini. Spread in 9″ x 13″ pan and sprinkle topping mix across surface. Bake at 325° for 1 hour (or until it passes toothpick test).
demi @ 132
Mmmm. I’d substitute that hamburger for crispy (real) bacon bits.
Meant to include a link to that Financial Times editorial.
Preview is my friend.
Preview is my friend.
Preview is my friend.
Twain @ 203
You tell ‘em. I never understand the point of comments like that.
LS @ 200
I was talking to a friend today, about the white T-shirt under a white longsleeved shirt … it’s used in Asia and works great.
Renee in Ohio @ 194
I would much rather he get an 18 USC 2441 indictment after 01/20/09.
NewDealFarmGrrrlll, so sorry to hear that you heard no.
Thanks for that yummy looking recipe.
LS @ 199
And put that bandana under your Stetson. Portable shade is a nice thing.
greenwarrior @ 104
But it’s a dry heat!
Yeah, but so’s an oven!!!
Steve @ 209
Great minds think alike.
Peterr @ 206
Also known as The Peter Prayer.
demi @ 208
The point of comments like that is to make you think that some Canadians are idjits !!! *g*
So the heat oppresses, in the long walks across the desert wet cloths worked for a short while. But nothing stopped the unrelenting heat. I adopted many peoples way of adapting, and wonder at our modern world and how so Dependant we are on its tools and what we will do to keep them.
Hi all – greetings from Crawford! I just got here with Bree Walker, and we’re here with Cindy Sheehan and many fine folks from Crawford Peace House and other groups, getting ready to kick up some jack this weekend! Anyone coming to visit us from the Lake? We’ll be here till Monday morning.
Depressed tonight. Received a “no” on last week’s job interview.
I feel your pain. I had one on Monday that was so excellent. An hour later the agency called to say they loved me and it was down to me and one other person.
Two hours later, I got a call that told me the CEO decided to have a two-month hiring freeze.
Sheeit. What’s a girl to do?
Keep plugging away. You’ll find something.
*gentle reminder*
civil discourse is encouraged. personal attacks are not.
Alicia @ 217
Hey Alicia!
What all is going on tomorrow?
Shorter “The Commitments”:
Say eht lood, Ah’m blick an Ah’m prood.
Alicia @ 218
So sorry I can’t come down there Alicia, please give my love, hugs and kisses to Cindy, Bree and all the patriots in Crawford.
Please keep us updated on how it all goes.
DrDick @ 214
“18.2441 for Bush” bumper sticker or tee-shirt might get some “WTF is that” attention.
demi @ 208
Twain @ 203
Place of origin confers no superiority, but it can infer the concept to some.
demi @ 218
Sorry to hear of your misfortune, but my guess is its there loss, and I hope for better things.
Petrocelli @ 216
Any country that has a Tim Horton’s on every corner can’t be all bad.
argosfalcon @ 216
Speaking as an anthropologist, we are all, as humans, dependent on tools. It is our adaptation and our mode of survival. Over very long periods, peoples living in extreme environments also evolve and adapt physically to cope. None-the-less, the key to human survival and spread to every known environment is the material and mental tools (such as language) which we deploy.
hi…
just wanted to chime in…
I read you folks a lot… I mean, A LOT. and a better group of commentators I have yet to peruse…
the US is NOT utterly screwed… it has merely been hijacked by a cabal of sick, greedy bastards who are going to die and they will be remembered less than favorably… well done, cretins.
blind-folded by a lackey MSM, urged to trust the leaders by a corrupt political process, the US has staggered along the wrong path for nigh on half a decade… but the better route is not so far off… it’s just behind those bushes… and the world isn’t ignorant… we’ve had our trials… hell, you want corruption? Canada suffered thru Mulroney’s government… when Lyin’ Brian finally got shuffled off the stage he was at 8% approval… EIGHT!…
how to reclaim the role of world’s leader? by example. the example set by the US over the decades won it the respect and admiration of other nations… it can do so again…
personally, I am confident in you…
and it’s warm in Saskatchewan too… like you care… haha…
TRex @ 222
Imelda Quark !!!
Alicia @ 218
OMG!! Tell em TRex said, “Heeeeeeeey!”
demi @ 219
Thanks! Your experience is exactly the type of thing i’ve been facing (that & the dreaded down-to-two-&-you’re-not-it). There’s a possibility of a permanent position opening up at the place i’ve been freelancing, i like it better than the place i interviewed. Good luck on your search as well!
The work thing is bad for us also. We are both freelancers that are down to $35 in the wallet and overdrawn at the bank. My husband sent his portfolio to an ad agency, the guy called him raving about his work. They found they were both Slovaks. Spoke the language together a bit. When Ron showed up for the interview the asshole was rude. Only spent 5 or 6 minutes with him. He was angry cause Ron is 61. Never, of course, heard back from the jerk. We are thinking about getting someone who is 30ish to rep us. God. You would think Ron had a disease. The sad thing is how talented he is.
argosfalcon @ 226
Gosh, thanks for the encouragement. Who wants to work for a company where the CEO let many people jump through hoops for days and then springs the freeze down.
Better things Will Happen.
Darkblack @ #199:
He castigated Arabian men for wearing ‘turbines’ on their heads….
Sheez! Even before the hypnotized nanoterrorists made that thought even scarier.
Twain @ #203:
I feel that your words are very disrespectful to our country.
I’m not sure why you said that before kindly asking why he felt that way. Saying it the way you did sort of proves his case. He was describing aspects of exceptionalism gone awry….
burnspbesq @ 227
Yep, half the price and twice the calories as Starbucks’ !!! *g*
empressmitzi @ 155
The whole Florida 2000 election mess sounded to me like it could be very simply decided. Re-vote. What’s so hard about that?
The media thing is more difficult. It is the return of the robber barron times, as Thom Hartman put it. Seems like Joe and Jane Sixpack are finally waking up.
Dan in Canada @ 229
Hey! and let’s not forget those terrific mints you make eh???
My Favorite Canadian
Except for Petro, of course.
Totally OT, but look what I found on my front porch…
Dan in Canada @ 229
Can I come crash on your couch until all this is over?
DrDick @ 227
As do I speaking as an archaeologist, who has walked the southwest, we have much to learn but my environmental roots are showing,I should bleach them out, hard to do with so little hair.
Dan in Canada @ 229
RiderPride at the Lake … Woo Hoo … *g*
Lindy @ 240
Beautiful. Do you know her name?
Petrocelli @ 236
With iced cappicinos to die for. That’s the one thing i hate about moving from the Port Huron/Sarnia border crossing where i grew up. No TIMMIE’s!!! Those iced cappicino are one of the few forms of coffee i can tolerate. Much less the maple donuts that make me drool. *sighs* Otherwise i’m a hot chocolate fiend in the winter.
TRex @ 222
One of the best lines of a great movie. Did you do that dialogue spelling yourself? Pretty accurate.
My favorite Canadian (again excepting Petro).
Speaking of warm weather, I am really starting to warm up to the idea of a censure. I like it. And it doesn’t preclude impeachment; maybe it even lays some groundwork for it.
Join me in calling/writing your Congress critters….
Laura Doty @ 243
now thats a fine looking bug.
Lindy @ 239
Personally, I wouldn’t know whether to be delighted or horrified by that.
Ed*ard Teller @ 234
and seems to have no appreciation for what we are going through. I feel sick all the time about what is happening to my country but I will not kick it when it is down. I have been alive since the Roosevelt administration and good times come and ago, but we always rally. As I recall we did some pretty wonderful things during WWII. We will do them again. I just love my country and don’t like it to be used as a punching bag.
Is that a black widder?
burnspbesq @ 239
Have you seen Shania ?!! *g*
Laura Doty @ 244
We have spiders all over here in TX that resemble that. They are pretty big. I call them zipper spiders, because they weave a zipper down the center of the web. They just mind their own business and lay eggs in a sack.
Phonetic spellings by Yurz Troolie.
Alicia, Please say hello to Cindy from Eureka Springs, Arkansas… she was here just few moths back. Y’all try to stay in some shade.
NewDealFarmGrrrlll @ 232
That is the ticking time bomb in this country. The Kleptocrats can steal only so much before it explodes. The sad thing is that when it does explode, the result won’t be a more progressive country.
Petrocelli @ 243
Dan in Canada @ 229
Who let the Canadians in here? I want an electronic fence…
;>)
TRex @ 241
No way TRex … you have to help lead the charge … get the American populace coordinated to boot these traitors out of office … we cannot afford another 18 months of BushCo !
Lindy @ 240
JFC!!! The anti-cute. It is cute, but how big is that thing? If they’d grown as big as dogs, humans wouldn’t exist.
Peterr @ 176
Oh, share pics when you can.
Petrocelli @ 253
Not my taste — in music or women.
Is Neko Case Canadian?
Not the black widow, but but perhaps one of the tie dye variety. It’s bite will send you to a world of love and peace, but only a few hours.
Mary McCurnin @ 233
Oh, I am angry on your behalf! That is such a shame. I do hope some excellent clients come your way.
By the way, were you the person who treated us to some lovely poems some previous evening? I found them deeply moving; if yours, i’d love to buy a book if you have some published.
TexB @ 221
Hey TexB! It’s pretty loose and spontaneous right now, but I think the weekend is going to be jamming. So far it’s sort of an ‘old home week’ – people from the past couple of years getting together here. Lots of people have set up tents on the property and are staying there. They’re coming in from all over.
Cindy has re-energized after taking a break from Camp Casey, and has now planned a walk from Crawford to New York, which will start on Tuesday, called the People’s Accountability March. She’s also going to have an auction of some of the equipment at Camp Casey, and trying to get Bree acquainted with the people who have been keeping things going here and get the transition going.
If you and Cassie (or anyone else in the vicinity) would like to hook up, please e-mail me and we’ll coordinate. We’d love to see you!
DrDick @ 247
… aw shucks …
Neil is my fav Canadian too, with Gretzky a close second …
darkblack @ 258
Just lay a really long row of beers ten meters inside their border. Put a sticky on each one saying the Americans just outlawed it.
argosfalcon @ 241
And John King speaks as an architect (IIRC) in a weekly column in the SF Chronicle. His story on the Stanford Ecology Center’s new building is a tale of making a tool — a building — work in harmony with, rather than against, its surroundings.
Shell @ 15
TRex puts it up and out there! Great, great rant. The Truth is always a great rant!!
And Us Americans, as despicable as this admin has been, do nothing, for all intents and purposes.
Shell, in the spirit of Trex’s rant, and YOUR followup, I join Suzanne on chair clapping . . .
I too, have been quite disillusioned by the american body politic and the masses since the FIRST stolen election, and ever since.
“Then I pick up my guitar and play.
Just like yesterday.
And I get on my knees and pray.
We don’t get fooled again.”
Alas . . . same as the old boss.
Harumph, indeed.
Time to take it to the action levels America.
Protests at the politicians offices we elected to implement change to begin with.
Boycotts.
Labor stoppages.
‘Parades’. Lots of parades . . .
Singing songs. Carrying signs.
It has to be VISUAL, and LARGE, to gain critical mass.
That’s been proven . . . us 50′ish boomers did it once, and the younger one’s will follow if we set the example, and do it all over again.
We left too many rats in the basement the last time, this time, we need to flood it for a decade with heavily salted water.
aliasofwestgate @ 245
OMG, Canadian Maple Donuts … just thinking about it made me gain 5 pounds … *g*
NewDealFarmGrrrlll @ 264
Thanks. I just did a real sexy one. What to read it?
Petrocelli @ 265
The following comment will reveal how old I really am.
Gretzky was fantastic, but he’s no Bobby Orr.
darkblack @ 258
According to one Minuteman interviewed on TDS, we’re invading America for your great healthcare !!! *g*
Laura Doty @ 244
Not yet, Laura. But I will.
Outlaw beer I’m there, I’ll do Lewis and Clarke take a wrong turn from Missouri.
darkblack @ 258
I’m telling ya! We need something to keep’em out! ;-)
Alicia, that is so cool – speaking of which, please stay cool and drink plenty of fluids, etc., etc., etc (to quote my favorite king)
Mary…
I’m so sorry for your troubles. It’s harder and harder for me to find something I like as I get, er, um, more mature.
I really like some aspects of my temp job at (an entertainment company) Nice people, good work, but they make video games. Violent realistic video games. Even if they offered the job to me as full time, I’d have to respectively decline.
I’m mature AND I have high principals. Rats.
Loo Hoo. @ 260
Sorry — ran out of film before the dogs made their appearance.
(Yep, dialup on the ‘net and old fashioned film in the camera. One of these days . . . )
Petrocelli @ 269
Reaching for the insulin pen …
DrDick @ 249
I’m not sure either. But it is irridescent and I couldn’t resist trying to get a good photo.
Good post TRex. Wish I’d written it myself.
Mary McCurnin @ 270
sure!
Lindy @ 273
Keep me posted please!
Peterr @ 267
I wish I was at home to hear and see this, but I’m ashore on the fossil coast, but will look in to the link. thanks.
Petrocelli @ 272
Canadians… Invading?!?
‘gasp’
Heads up, Timmie Ho’s
;>)
Mary McCurnin @ 252
Nope, but we found one of those in the shed the other day.
Crystaline Pear
Standing at the sink,
I bite into a crystaline pear.
Working the meat from the skin
sweet fluid slides down my throat.
Two places.
I am two places at once.
With you and eating
a pear, alone, in my kitchen.
My feet are planted on the floor.
No shoes, just socks.
Color becomes charged with brighter hues
and I am with you.
Your taste, your smell and the texture
of your smile wake in me.
The old dog barks to go outside
and a car rushes past the rectangles
and mitered joints of my house.
I stand where I am and smile,
enjoying the feeling of dual citizenship.
The moon rests translucent
behind the vapid clouds
and pear juice rolls down my arm
to my crooked elbow and falls
into the porcelain sink.
Petrocelli @ 268
I’m headed to Ottawa for a meeting in two weeks, and am now drooling at the prospect.
Ed*ard Teller @ 267
707 !!!
That’ll do it !!! *g*
TRex…
having read your work pretty faithfully since the beginning of the Libby trial blogging, I can say with all confidence you’d be a gas to chatter with… but I don’t know as I got a couch which could accomodate you.
Also, might need to move a few walls. heh heh
demi @ 208
Raw, naked anger and pent-up frustration. Imagine having it crammed in your face and the faces of your family before you that Americans are great, knowing that they are flawed and becoming even more flawed, but are blind to those flaws. I can understand it.
But I can’t understand not seeing the big picture. The U.S. is where Germany was under Hitler; it was one of the largest economies in the world, had one of the largest military forces, was reasonably prosperous, and yet good Germans were seemingly unaware or blind to what was happening in their names. How did they get there? the violence of war broke the spell; can we do it without having to resort to greater violence than Iraq and Afghanistan?
I have picked up again Founding Brothers; the author points out that this nation has been through serious and deep swings of the pendulum in the past, when it had not history and precedent accumulated to fall back upon in times of confusion. We survived the excesses of Federalism under Hamilton; we were blessed with leaders who were often conscious of future Americans watching them from beyond. The challenge we face is that the mechanism which encouraged this rebounding moderating swing of the pendulum between extremes in government may have been broken by a persistent life-long attack under the guise of conservatism. We are tasked not only with removing the offenders in office, but fixing our unique style of democracy at the same time. It’s not been done before; we typically have to fix the democracy OR remove the bastards, not both at the same time.
How do we explain that to the rest of the world, that this is a tall order that requires nearly as much time to undo as it took to get here? We could look to Ukraine and the Orange Revolution as a model for protesting rigged elections, but Ukraine by contrast is physically about the size of Texas with twice the population; the size and complexity of national elections here makes it more difficult to organize an Orange Revolution of our own. And unseating leaders through impeachment is designed to be more difficult not only because the voice of the people must be considered, but because constancy and consistency in leadership is less threatening to the survival of this country (volatility does not serve the common good).
If only we could have more visitors stopping in to visit at local Democratic party meetings…
Mary, that was powerful.
Ed*ard Teller @ 260
It’s actually very small. about 3/8″ across, if i remember correctly. The web was above my seat on the front porch. I’ll look tomorrow to see if the web has a zipper in it.
Superfast metabolism and an active on my feet job. They barely make a dent in me. :P
To be frank, i’m missing my border home a lot these days. The differences and influences are huge even 200 miles away from that bit of canada so near. I’m all but canadian with the fact that i spent whole summers there with my grandparents (mom’s canadian heh), and crossed the border almost weekly growing up there. I’m one of them that could adjust to life over there fairly easily. Immigration is on the horizon for me, just got to get those ducks in a row first. Despite my loyalty becuase the US is home, it doesn’t feel like home anymore. I really don’t feel like getting prosecuted for having a mind of my own, or having a total lack of freedom to be an artist or privacy. I’ll be here to fight for as long as i can, but i’ll likely end up like Hotflash. Fighting from across the border, but still fighting!
wow, lindy, that spider is a work of art!
and thanks for the pelosi ‘07 bumper sticker you did a while back, gave a few out…….
maybe you should re-post it for others……it’s great!
oh, patrex, read your blog, thanks…..and now have rain in the summertime stuck in my head………
and the t-shirt talk= i have a friend who always wears a loose white long-sleeved shirt to stay cool in the summer. even when she gardens.
and christine, thanks for the music tip.
and new deal farm girl, thanks for the choc-zuch cake recipe.
wow, two nights in a row late night swimmin’ at the lake……..how refreshing……off to sleep……
Mary McCurnin @ 288
Mary, it is simply wonderful.
Zed is gone, but come on upstairs. The AC is on.
Ed*ard Teller @ 260
“Do you realize that if I didn’t eat them, insects would become so numerous they would destroy the earth?
Spiders are really very useful.”
– Charlotte
Late to the thread, but just had to say: fantastic post. One thing that criminals hate is to be called out. Because they know it’s true.
Suzanne @ 293
Thankyou. You guys got me started again. Thankyou.
Was at the Montreal Jazz Fest this evening. Bela Fleck has a monster band, Wooten on bass is an earfull of bottom end pleasures. Then I went to See Bill Frisell with Joey Baron on drum, and Scherr on bass. Brilliant show. Tomorrow, I’m taking pics of the California Guitar Trio…
Renee in Ohio @ 195
Peachie.
burnspbesq @ 271
Oh Canada, and not are robot overlords, now thats madness now the next thing you’ll be telling me we are about to be over run by Australians, two invasions
I would welcome for very different reasons (like civility, and a good time damn this age thing).
Mary, your poem is lovely. Thank you for sharing it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 267
Perhaps a telethon to help ‘rid America of the Canada blight’ would finance this splendid idea.
;>)
I must exit to call my daughter. We can talk for eons. Never Doubt!!!!
Peterr @ 207
And so am I. Thanks for that!
0oddmommy @ 40
I was raised in SE Asia from ‘53 to ‘63 . . most Americans who worked for USOM or AID were ok, as I recall from my father’s discussions in later years . . . they’d take interest in the local affiars, ways of doing things, etc.
However, this book still rang loud and true as I looked back many years after landing in the US permanently:
http://www.wwnorton.com/catalo…..erican.htm
And we sure proved it . . . lots of greasy Americans EARNED that reputation . . . some in State Dept., some ‘private’ contractors . . . my pops had a Doctorate in Education which he had WRITTEN for SE Asia Health Education. He spoke a few languages, and made sure his kids learned them, too . . . . mom taught English to Bhuddist Monks . . . I miss Viet/Laotian food!!! ;-) From that era, now, you can find it everywhere, but, NOT from the 50’s style . . . although the noodle bars are a good start lately . . .
We have all become The Ugly American, one way or another. Too many of us, thru inaction . . like racism, incest, pedaphelia, and horrible human behaviour, silence is GUILT!!!!
Here’s hoping the massed jump from the pot before it’s too late . . . at this point, if we all jumped, I fear there will be GREAT tolls taken on the masses . . . . but they would have a chance . . . a year from now, not so much I fear.
TRex @ 231
You bet I will, my fine therapod. Bree loves Firedoglake and I’ve only just met Cindy, but I’ll bet she does too.
I’ll keep you all posted, as there is a lot afoot (and Bree and I have a little surprise for her new neighbors planned for the weekend!)
aliasofwestgate @ 295
If I may recite an ancient saying, which is a fav of mine … Bloom wherever you are planted …
Peterr @ 268
I’m sorry, I’m really having trouble reading anything with the literal meaning of “tool”. I keep substituting “f’ing Repub brainless tool” int he comments instead. Still gives your discussion new meaning…
Mary McCurnin @ 301
Bravo Mary … please collect these into a book and get it published !
So what’s different now? The U.S. has long been an international bully, training and financing death squads, overthrowing elected democracies, exploiting the resources of third-world countries, and engaging in very lethal regional wars (e.g., Viet Nam). What’s different this time?
Perhaps previous administrations knew where the edge was. They didn’t broadcast such a sense of entitlement: “We’re the sole remaining superpower, and you better get used to it.” There was plenty of arrogance in the past, but the neocons take it to a new level and combine it with monumentally laughable incompetence.
Among the visible incompetencies is the degree to which the U.S. has become a client state of Israel, with a foreign policy fashioned in Tel Aviv. The word “evenhanded” is now avoided by U.S. politicians. Chuck Hagel, for example, gets a rating of 3.5, the lowest of any American presidential candidate, from Haaretz — their only comment: “The Senator for Nebraska believes that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central to Middle East peace.”
Perhaps most disconcerting to the rest of the world is the apparent inability/unwillingness of the American people to display their outrage at what is now occurring.
petro at 312
If I may recite an ancient saying, which is a fav of mine … Bloom wherever you are planted …
not always true petro, oh wise one, not all plants grow under the same conditions…..
i changed that saying into–
you bloom where you grow……..
Ahh well I have two sides of my family fighting again each other, close to two hundred years. and yet in time we found peace. No ones happy but peace. and the blessing of peace to you all. Be strong, and valiant as you can.
Arca @ 213
I remember going to Phoenix in August on a business trip once. Our studio was 1/10 mile from the hotel, and I couldn’t bring myself to call a cab. I told my colleague I’d carry her bag, and off we went.
It was 120 degrees, and for those of you who haven’t experienced that level of hot, trust me, a breeze is not your friend.
I blame Clinton.
dmac @ 316
The saying means that within you is the power to bloom wherever you find yourself,
although I agree with yours, it’s more practical for most people.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 80
I don’t see how offering Scoots immunity would compel him to do anything other than stonewall and say “I don’t recall not knowing that.” He’s already got immunity from jail, signed off by POTUS.
Amerika’s SCHEISE!
Trex, you are absolutely right to list Abu Ghraib first among the multiple reasons for the collapse of US standing in the world. More than any other event or policy, the Abu Ghraib photographs, published much more in the foreign press than here, dealt a death-blow to our standing. And rightly so.
And in America, the Americans by and large hate the Junta. Even Commander Codpiece knows this as he arranges visits to American locales that entail landing a helicopter or Air Force One flight at a military base of a select state, and delivering speeches that never depart from the script written in the aftermath of “9/11″ to a vetted audience assembled at those sites. He knows he cannot face an audience who might otherwise have access to him and be able to survive, politically. By his actions, it is clear he knows he’s very much disliked by an overwhelming majority of Americans. And, indeed, they dislike him for his freedoms. He should be serving a life sentence, as far as they’re concerned. Him and his puppetmaster, Darth.
The reasons keep building. Plus, the horror that our own citizens are paying such terrible costs for our leaders paranoid and belligerent response to 9/11…the mass security at the July 4, lost liberties, putting cameras everywhere, build up that border security..and on and on. Not to compare ourselves with those who have been subject to the war or imprisoned, but our leader has chosen to impose radical intrusions into all our lives. We will see what can be undone.
Well, now that the dems. are in, I do feel better. The upcoming farm bill has an ammendment slipped in (like the repubs.) which will take away the states rights to keep out genetically altered agriculture. Another bill will take away the states rights to determine where transmission lines will be located for electrical power. Rush Holt’s bill H.R. 811 will continue election theft which allows vote counting by republican owned companies who fight like crazy for a glimpse of transparency. Nancy Pelosi says impeachment is off the table. Why do I feel better?