In 1776, a group of well educated and propertied men from all the colonies got together to draft and sign a revolutionary document. As they did so, they pledged “our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor” to its ringing declaration of defiance against a lawless, power mad monarch who had usurped their liberties and trampled on the rule of law.
These were serious men, willing to risk everything to be free from tyranny and lawlessness. And the words they wrote would eventually transcend even their own enlightened but still limited understanding, extending its self evident truth to everyone — women, slaves, the poor, gays, immigrants from all lands — because this was a document whose principles logically applied to all humans, the whole species, not just privileged men. From the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. . . .
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
This week, a cowardly President who resembles more the King George the colonists revolted against than any of the courageous patriots who signed the Declaration of Independence signed another document, freeing a convicted felon, a crony, from the justice peers found he richly deserved, again trampling on the rule of law. Yesterday, his spokesman insulted the intelligence of reporters and the American people by trying to justify this cowardly act. But in the process, Tony Snow let slip a tidbit that may just be the string that unravels a huge criminal conspiracy.
So what did the White House spokesman say about whether and how Vice President Cheney might have influenced the President’s decision to keep their firewall, Scooter Libby from going to jail? From the Press Briefing by Tony Snow (Amato’s C&L has two video clips):
MR. SNOW: . . . The President spent weeks and weeks consulting with senior members of this White House about the proper way to proceed, and they looked at a whole lot of options, and they spent a lot of time talking through the options and doing some very detailed legal analysis.
Q Was it appropriate for the Vice President to weigh in about the fate of his own friend, and someone who had served him for years –
MR. SNOW: I’m sure that the Vice President may have expressed an opinion, but the fact is, the President understands the — and he may have recused himself; I honestly don’t know.
Q Did he ask for the President to spare his friend?
MR. SNOW: We’d never — as you know, Kelly — talk about internal deliberations. Nice try. This is exactly what we’re talking about right now before the House and Senate, and we’re not going to characterize specifically any kind of advice or plea that somebody may make.
Q But doesn’t the public deserve to know if the Vice President asked the President to use this constitutional authority to spare his former aide and longtime friend from prison?
MR. SNOW: Well, let me put it this way. The President does not look upon this as granting a favor to anyone, and to do that is to misconstrue the nature of the deliberations. . . .
Shorter Tony Snow: Even though the Vice President and President likely talked about how and whether to keep Scooter Libby out of jail, we have the right to assert Executive Privilege to conceal a blatant conflict of interest in a criminal investigation and a conversation that may well have been part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice.
If you need a reminder on how the President, Cheney and Libby’s obstruction are all tied together, read the experts: see Christy’s “Marcy was right.”. We probably just witnessed obstruction of justice, right before our eyes. Here’s Sidney Blumenthal’s summary from his article, “Bush and Cheney walk too”.
Cheney aroused President Bush to the danger from Wilson. A handwritten note by Libby that surfaced in his trial revealed that Bush raised his concern about the Kristof column in a subsequent June 9 meeting. The next day, the State Department memo “Niger/Iraq Uranium Story” began circulating within the administration. On June 12, Cheney identified Plame to Libby, and Libby went hard to work. Within three days, he discussed Plame with five officials. On July 6, after Wilson published a New York Times op-ed disclosing that the rationale the president gave for the war was premised on false information, an enraged Cheney ordered Libby into high gear. Cheney also secured Bush’s concurrence for Libby to leak selected parts of the still-classified National Intelligence Estimate on Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction to New York Times reporter Judith Miller on July 8. Bush, therefore, was deeply involved. But what did the president know, and when did he know it?
Bush’s commutation of Libby’s 30-month prison sentence for four counts of perjury and obstruction of justice was as politically necessary to hold his remaining hardcore base for the rest of his 18 months in office as it was politically damaging to his legacy and to the possibility of a Republican succession. It was also essential in order to sustain Libby’s cover-up protecting Cheney and perhaps Bush himself. . . .
Bush rewards Libby’s cover-up, thwarting the investigation into Cheney’s and perhaps his culpability. Bush’s commutation is the successful culmination of the obstruction of justice.
The men who signed their names to the Declaration and pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor knew what to do with such scoundrels. And so does Keith Olbermann (many thanks to Amato at C&L, an integral part of the unofficial but very accessible national archives. No FOIA required.)
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Fourth of July . . .
Ohmygosh. My first ever and likely only zed. I can die happy.
Wrong! As long as George and his merry men are playing fast and loose with us, that’s not in the cards, is it?
Scarecrow, we have to ramp it up. Re-reading the Declaration hits mighty close to home.
How now?
Yeah, right.
good morning, Scarecrow. My cat woke me up – and you are already on the job. Stunning stuff, every time.
Good morning, Scarecrow!
How timely those words are today. Must read with fresh eyes.
Action. ACTion. ACTION!
NOW, or never.
sunny @ 6
And so I ask again, what next? Apres les phone calls . . . ?
Happy Fourth!
What a great post to start this very particular Independence Day with, thank you Scarecrow!
From Mark Morford of the SF Chronicle:
You have to laugh. You have to laugh because if you do not laugh you will likely be overcome with a mad desire to stab yourself in the eye with a sharp feral cat and/or shoot yourself in the toe with a high-powered staple gun, over and over again, all while tearing out pages of the United States Constitution and crumpling them into tiny little balls and hurling them into the smoldering firepit of who-the-hell-cares as you shiver in the corner and swig from a bottle of Knob Creek and wail at the moon. Or maybe that’s just me.
Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!
~ Sir Walter Scott
We need to sustain what the Founders began. It is clear this has to be a roots-up, pro-active initiative, because tops-down is so bogged down in reaction. Big words. Now what?
Scarcrow,
this may be your finest wrok to date.
I may have to print this out and keep it on my desk for a while.
These are serious matters and they call for serious posts.
There’s a lot to chew on here. I don’t know how many folks will stop by the Lake today (I’m off to Fire Island myself in a couple minutes and will be toobz deficient for pretty much the rest of today), but I hope we will relink to this for the rest of the week and forward it to Congress and spotlight it to the MSM.
I will do my bit starting tomorrow.
Happy Fourth to all and say a prayer for the return of Justice and the Rule of Law to this great land of ours.
Hey loosehead, have a good one!
“Caw…CAW!”
What amazes me, is that true to the sociopathic form, these guys just keep walking as if they are walking straight.
It reminds me so much of when my alcoholic spouse relapsed. He would stand before me and swear he was not drunk. I could smell it, see it on him. But it was a truly effective firewall. I couldn’t prove it. I used to get so frustrated because my mother in law, his mother would swear, “he’s not drinking”. I knew better but she wouldn’t believe me. Today I practice a 12 step program, but back then it was hell.
The american people, some of them like my mother in law, want to believe the denials. If they just keep it up, they may be successful. This is very different than what the american people faced with Nixon. Nixon didn’t want the fight. This crew will go down with the ship, all or nothing. And everytime they get away with it, it proves to the world and all the sociopaths in it, how well it works to minimize, deny, and blame. (the behavior of perpetrators.
Good morning everyone. It is Independence Day in America. Go out today and prove you’re Americans. — no, — prove you’re humans and you understand what they wrote.
MR. SNOW: I’m sure that the Vice President may have expressed an opinion, but the fact is, the President understands the — and he may have recused himself; I honestly don’t know.
If you recuse yourself then you necessarily would not give your opinion. Since Snow is “sure” Cheney gave an opinion, and we surely know what that was, then the obstrucion by the Veep is glaring. And the lie by Snow is monumental.
Let there be no Let there be no doubt, on this Fourth of July, our nation is in the midst of a constitutional crisis as serious as the first. If we allow this presidency to continue, unattended and unchallenged, we have set a precedent that will pollute our democracy forever. Think of all that has been destroyed by this presidency. They have not just been thieves and criminals, they have committed treason, they have deeply wounded our constitution and both national and international norms of decent behavior.
And worst of all, the public and the fourth estate have done nothing to stop it. Have denied it was happening, have encouraged and defended the delusion. Have sent our national guard to occupy the middle east while we went shopping. Our democracy was not founded on passivity and ignorance. Our democracy requires an informed people and an active people.
It is not an easy thing to stop a sociopath. They will not stop just because you ask them to. They will not ever recognize reality. They will redefine it to suit their needs. AND THEY WILL BE RELENTLESS. They will never stop. Until you stop them.
I have, for a long time struggled with the idea of impeachment. They are long and divisive, and at the end of it, they are pardoned. But it is the only tool provided to us. We cannot recall a presidency. And even then, all the crimes would go unrecognized.
Think of the legacy our next president will receive from this one. How did it come to this?
Lou — he he. Good morning.
looseheadprop @ 11
i don’t think we have any right to adjective “great” right now.
would that it were so…. and certainly something to strive for.
…and while i’m at it… i don’t think we ever had an era of “Justice and the Rule of Law” to return to. we did, i think, have a trajectory towards justice…. and now, we don’t even have that.
yeah, the day’s got me down. i can celebrate our history, but that means mourning our present. sorta like a wake.
barbara @ 7
Phone calls, LTE’s, blog posts, Keith Olbermann (as wonderful as he is)have not changed anything in 6 1/2 years. It’s all very therapeutic and makes noise and lowers Bushco’s poll #’s, but they continue their criminal behaviour unabated, unashamed, and unimpressed. We have to gird our loins and avail ourselves of the courage of the original Patriots, or all is lost, if it’s not already.
I love this graphic with the castoff rough drafts on the floor. It took me 2 weeks to write my business school application and the floor became a fire hazard with all the crumpled up paper.
We don’t always get things right on the first try. But let’s keep trying.
Scarecrow @ 15
that is the most inspiring thing i’ve read in a long time. thank you for the challenge.
Yasoo ti Kanis from Crete Greece… heard the news via BBC World news
Repugs: Underlying arsholes…
Can Wilson sue NYTime’s David Brooks for defamation of character? (yesterday’s article) no linky
to Katie Jensen #14: You are so right. It is sociopathy writ large. They believe their own lies, or they think you are stupid enough to believe them. It’s the relentlessness that gets me. The willingness to lie and lie and lie and then scream their lies and accuse you of lying. It’s amazing how this same behavior has infected the conservative movement. Their spin masters go on TV and scream their lies. They have no shame, no sense of reality.
And the average person looks at them as thinks, well they must be telling the truth… Brother what a nightmare.
Since you say that,
I find it appropriate, on this Independence Day to quote from, not the Declaration of Independence, but a much more appropriate legal document, the unanimous opinion of the Supreme Court in US v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974)
I won’t, at this time, get into a discussion as to whether an impeachment proceding might be considered a ‘criminal trial’. The point here is that, very possibly, a crime has been committed and notwithstanding the fact that a sitting President may not be able to be prosecuted, a sitting VICE president, certainly may be.
And Contempt of Congress is certainly a criminal act, which may be prosecuted, inc ertain cases, by the Congress itself.
So let’s have the Constitutional confrontation that the founders, many of whom signed the paper for which this day is celebrated, had the wisdom to both forsee and plan for. And let’s celebrate, on this day, the fact that, IF CONGRESS DOES ITS CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY, the Republic will not only survive, but prosper.
did so despite what James Madison—at the Constitutional Convention—said about impeaching any president who pardoned or sheltered those who had committed crimes “advised by” that president;
I have to repost what MillinaryMan said yesterday:
Engage people in conversation at your July 4th celebrations. Encourage them to do what is listed above,* and be an example and knowledge source for them to express their outrage.
Not everyone will take action, some people will vent at you and that’s it. However for those who are sitting on the fence, demonstrating and demystifing the process will energize them.
I know people are tired, frustrated and angry. egregious stated earlier that Anger=energy. Use it. Focus. Very wise statement there. Keep that in mind when people are venting. Be a conduit to focus their anger, and yours.
We have amazing tools at our disposal. Think of what the struggle was in 1776 and the lack of technology we have today. Our forefathers overthrew a ruler across the Atlantic for crying out loud without a 1/10th of the technology we have today.
Call, fax, demonstrate, confront elected leaders in a direct polite way, engage people with truth and facts and when you get frustrated, take a step back and focus on the task at hand, taking the country and restoring liberty and justice for all.
MillinaryMan July 03 2007
*CHS: And Now For Some Action http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
OT:
I just sent the following email.
I got to this address by clicking through Feingold’s ad on another site.
I am clicking through to other advertisers at other blogs and sending the same message.
It is absurd that this site is ignored.
This was in Olberman’s comment last night:
solai @ 27
dratty @ 26
Perfect.
Saw this in today’s NYT.
“What you’re going to see is people like me quoting President Bush in every pleading that comes across every federal judge’s desk.”
Indeed, Mr. Bush’s decision may have given birth to a new sort of legal document.
“I anticipate that we’re going to get a new motion called ‘the Libby motion,’ ” Professor Podgor said. “It will basically say, ‘My client should have got what Libby got, and here’s why.’ ”
“As a purely legal matter, of course, Mr. Bush’s statement has no particular force outside Mr. Libby’s case. But that does not mean judges will necessarily ignore it…”
So, who will the “Brady Motion” work for? White GOOPer guys?
Scarecrow, once again hitting the nail on the head. These cheney/bush people are the antithesis of the Founding Fathers. They care not one whit about country they care only about money and crave power. However I do not feel in any way that I can demonstrate that I am an American except by maybe displaying an upside down flag. That I ever wore a uniform in the army makes me bloody ashamed. There is way too much wrong with this country for me to to have any respect for it at all. From crappy healthcare to slave labour wages to domestic spying to mass murder, condoned by Congress, to unmitigated greed while others starve to torture to total disrespect for human life there is nothing, nothing that would even let me think about donning a uniform to defend this america. What america once was is gone and gone forever into the dirt pile of history.
I cannot do what the traitorous bast**ds want which is for the population to wave their flags, make their jingoistic genuflections, and forget that america is no more.
caw, caw.
Oh, NO. Second fiddle again.
Nice one, Scarecrow!
Up here in Montreal, Quebec, on a teaching trip, neither Canada Day (July 1) nor US Independence Day get much respect.
But I do detect a profound sadness for how our US of A has strayed. And also this statement from a German professor:
“I heard that the actions of the US are all about your President and that you expect change when you have a new President in two years.[The discussion was about the US position on global warming.] But that’s not really an answer. The question is what Americans are doing now.”
Exactly.
The question is what we are doing now.
Thanks for your take on it, Scarecrow, and for reminding us that what we are all trying to do is patriotic in the deepest sense.
GeorgeSimian @ 3
Actually, I agree with Snow here…it’s not a favor, it’s called CYA.
Cover Your Ass.
The President needed to be sure his ass end involvement in outing a covert CIA opertaive as retaliation for someone daring to call him on his lies was bunker buster proof and that’s what he did.
Also, one thing I haven’t seen mentioned much is that in the same way what they did to Wilson was a warning for all others who would dare risk going against power mad King George; his commutation of Libby’s sentence reinforces the “you scratch my back; i’ll scratch yours” that Bush has going on. Now they know, Bush has their backs so there’s no need to flip, or worry about lying to Congress, or any other thing because Dubya’s got it all under wraps in the end.
Bob Geiger has a fine post today, expressing what I suspect many of us are feeling on this 4th of July.
I called all my congressers yesterday. I said, “President Cheney and his lackey, Mr. Bush, in commuting the sentence of the felon, Mr. Libby, who was convicted by a jury of his peers,. . .”
What is amazing is that Nixon actually had a sense of shame and copped to his heinous acts.
Cheney and Bush are real crooks. They know no shame, and neither has any remorse or guilt over their craven behavior.
One thing that could blow this wide open would be if specifics of the damage done by the Valerie Plame Wilson outing found its way into the public sphere, especially if those specifics include a corpse with name on the toe tag. I suspect it’s unlikely that such damage would, or even should, be revealed, since doing so may very likely compromise Plame Wilson’s work further. But blood smeared on Libby’s commutation document that rubbed off of Dubya’s hand during the signature would be a story even the MSM could not ignore. If anybody out there has pertinent info and can safely put it out there, think about it. Just sayin’.
dratty @ 26
maybe i’m being really, really stupid…. but it just seems to me that it is better to fight for what we care about, even if we lose – than to not have fought at all.
if we fight but lose – at least we show that there was controversy and not acceptance…. we leave a begining and an inspiration for those who continue the fight after us.
to refuse to really fight (not just the kabuki fight we get from congress)… seems to me the worse kind of defeat.
Prof @ 35
Hey, Prof — nice to hear from you. Was just chatting with a friend about how your tutorials on Youngstown here at the Lake help motivate us. Your Professor friend is right. It’s up to us.
Well, we generally know that Snowjob is lying when he opens his trap. But we are 100% sure when he says things like “I honestly don’t know.”
“honestly” is not a word that anyone would think of associating with Snowy.
jaxxson5 @ 34
Well, you got here late. You’re way down yonder in the caw caw batch.
I’ll add a quote, from My Fair Lady:
And a question: what can we actually do? Is there a demonstration anywhere? Why not? Sitting and typing, calling mindless staffers, talking to an occasional person, not enough. How do we respond to Eliza’s question: is that all you blighters can do?
Was Commuting Libby an Impeachable Offense?
egregious @ 43
Better to be second fiddle in a lively tune than not play at all.
masaccio @ 44
Good question. There were lots of suggestions yesterday, like taking a banner to a picnic today — e.g., “ENOUGH” (beats “bong hits for Jesus,” though I’m not as sure as the Supremes what that means.)
So what are folks going to do today? Ideas?
I thought our slogan was “Had Enough?”
Put it on your car, your door, your t-shirts, your email, on the backs of envelopes, use your imagination.
And we have to Talk With People. Need to get others to understand how far things have gone, and to engage them in turning things around.
We are talking to ourselves, which is important for morale, but we need to get out there and enlist new recruits.
On this Independence Day, a salute to April Ryan, who yesterday took on the lying liars of the WH, and refused to back down. Good on her.
Ryan is the White House correspondent for American Urban Radio Network, which gives me a perfect segue to glide into talking about the dark side, the smarmy swamp that is rightwing talk radio.
The voices on local talk radio stations in tandem with the national voices of Limbaugh, Hannity, et icky, spread the lies virtually unchallenged. They control the kill buttons. Corporate controls who gets the air time.
Case in point, today, Fargo’s Scott Hennen is filling in for Sean Hannity and the local paper announces his guest: Mary Matalin. Scott Hennen, by the way, whose usual gig is Fargo talk radio, is the ranter who Chee-knee was schmoozing with when he said he didn’t see a problem with waterboarding.
Whether by payoffs [think Armstrong Williams] or corporate self-interest or, well, extortion to cooperate comes to mind [anybody think there’s any connection between what Limbaugh spews and that drug investigation that just seems to have gone away?], rightwing talk radio will always be out there.
So what ways are there to counter their influence and challenge their propaganda, both locally and nationally?
And if you thought Tony Snow was contemptibly disdainful and snotty in the WH press briefing, you shoulda heard him some of the times he was substituting for Rush Limbaugh.
. . . it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
So when will our elected officials figure out it is their duty to DO something about this?
So well said. Inspiration to wake up with on a holiday that reminds us of what patriotism WAS once upon a time.
Our own Ian Welsh reprises his Birthday Wish for America, over at The Agonist. It appeared first on these pages last week.
Hey, kids – a little 4th of July music for your Independence Day enjoyment!
Fireworks, too – and a parade!
Scarecrow @ 47
yesterday i spoke with my congressman on the phone, then i drove over to his office to drop off a hand written letter with attachment.
today, i’m going to see if i can find him a an outdoor 4th of july celebration concert he is supposed to be at.
after that, i’m not sure… but i’m thinking of giving up on electoral politics for a while and go back to focus on street/social movement stuff.
dave @ 52
Thanks Dave. Make us a promise: bring this back again the day Bush or Cheney resign.
It is OUR duty to do something. It is completely obvious by now to even the most brain cell challenged among us-the Dems have let us down.
sunny @ 55
i agree… and i don’t just mean this week – it’s been 5 and half months of kabuki. (the iraq occupation, bush administration oversight that results in any constraint, trade, energy policy, iran,…)
got an idea on how to hold them accountable? count me in.
I think that the way for right wing radio to go away is time passing. Everything continues to get worse daily, the economy, the war, jobs, insurance. Eventually even those with their head in the sand will stop believing the lies that are told on the radio daily about how great everything is. Eventually, the listener’s own lives will be seriously affected by what the white house has been doing, and they will finally see the truth. Most people only change their thinking only if they personally have been affected by what’s been going wrong.
Tony Snow(job) said:
I have a strong feeling this extended remark by Snow was unintended and amounts to a huge confession, to wit: it gives the lie to the claim that the Bush’s granting of clemency did not have a political motivation.
How so? If Bush was interested in the justice of the matter, he would have consulted the DOJ’s Attorney for Pardons and more specifically, consulted the prosecutor in the case, Fitzgerald. But he did not.
That he did not, and kept the consultation (”for weeks and weeks” according to Snow) within the Oval Office is indicative that granting clemency was more a political action (obstruction of justice?) than anything to do with mercy for Libby.
Bottom line, whether he realizes it or not, Libby is still being used by the WH. He must be pretty pissed off at not being granted a full pardon after throwing himself under the bus for Bush/Cheney. When he goes home everyday, he will still be a convicted felon.
And they say the right wing is happy about that?
sunny @ 20
Sunny,
I disagree somewhat with your statement. It’s the phone calls, LTEs, blogposts et al that played a significant role (along with the congenital overreaching by the rethugs) that helped the Ds to take the Senate and House away from the Rs last November. Since then, more and more of the bad things are coming to light, both from old crimes and ongong criminal conspiracies. The sunlight is helping to disinfect things.
It is a long, slow process to overcome years of corruption and lack of aggression by the lapdogs of the Republican led 108th and 109th Congresses. Some crimes may never come to light but just imagine where we would be WITHOUT the efforts of the folks here and other places in Leftblogostan. We are able to connect with each other, network, try out and brainstorm strategies that are slowly but surely making headway against the right-wing wurlitzer. It is a 1,000 mile journey but we are taking the necessary steps.
RevDeb @ 50
when we make them.
(don’t ask me how – i don’t know, that’s why i’m depressed)
selise @ 56
i agree… and i don’t just mean this week – it’s been 5 and half months of kabuki. (the iraq occupation, bush administration oversight that results in any constraint, trade, energy policy, iran,…)
got an idea on how to hold them accountable? count me in.
It is time to hit the streets, folks. Not on a Saturday when no one is in town and everybody can ignore us. I’m talking about a week-long, highly inconvenient, disruptive occupation of DC. Time to put bodies on the line.
dreamcatcher @ 58
This suits Libby just fine. Now he can continue to not testify about what he knows ie continue to take the fifth, and then wait for the pardon that will inevitably be issued on W’s last day in office. It’s a win win all around for them.
Sunny, I think Senator Webb would disagree with your pessimism as well.
Marathon, not sprint. We didn’t get here overnight, and we’re not going to dig our way out quickly either. This is going to be sustained, patient, heavy lifting over several years.
I’m in.
selise @ 56
Please DON’T PANIC and burn the bridges! During H2Ogate, the Dems held far larger majorities in both houses of Congress for the entire period of Nixon’s administration and it STILL took more than two years of continuous investigations and revelations to bring him down for his crimes.
Dems are working from far smaller majorities, and have had a fraction of the time necessary to uncover far more crimes. Please be patient. We ALL want these crooks gone yesterday but neither the resources nor the world is ready. There is far more institutional inertia at all levels to be overcome.
dreamcatcher @ 58
I would say that Scooter knows full well he will be pardoned on Bush’s last day in office. This is all so calculated. The ink wasn’t even dry on the appellate denial when Bush issued his commutation statement.
Cheneymail at work here. Cheney surely has enough dirt on Bush to keep the Dodo in line.
Speaking of H2Ogate, from today’s Boston Globe Fred Thompson likely Nixon mole on Senate Select Committee
dakine01 @ 59
Here’s
aTHE start: ~ These2321 Democratic CongresscrittersForget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee.
dakine01 @ 66
It’s a good one. That plus he was one of the leaders of the Scooter defense fund. Those are 2 lovely millstones we can hang around his neck and dog him at every campaign stop. HInt hint. Calling the Mike Stark Brigade with cameras.
It’s the phone calls, LTEs, blogposts et al that played a significant role (along with the congenital overreaching by the rethugs) that helped the Ds to take the Senate and House away from the Rs last November.
Ah, yes. D’s in power, investigations, subpoenas, fiery letters and accusations from Waxman and others, articles of Impeachment filed. Still, Bush feel perfectly comfortable committing Obstruction of Justice re Libby, flatly stating he will ignore subpoenas. Sure, something could eventually come of all of it, but in the meantime….?
Do we really think the D’s have the balls to bring it if given the opportunity for a badly needed Constitutional Crisis, or will they slink away, muttering to themselves about how the “disruption” will be bad for the country?
Give credit to http://www.Youthinkleft.com. These young people have rediscovered the meaning of the Declaration of Independence. Many of the grievances parallel today, corrupting laws, ignoring laws, creating illegal wars, destroying people’s resources, and stealing our freedoms. The signing statements, DOJ purges, trial tampering, and obstruction of justice, are the same, rule by a King. But even more amazing is that the servants of today’s King George, continue to lie, lie, lie. As usual, AwPoo is catapulting the propaganda. Michael Gerson, neo-con, does think the Declaration of Independence is a goddamn piece of paper. This neo-con reality needs deconstruction by a judicious reality based reality.
Gerson has the great hyprocrisy to criticize slavery, two days after these goons overturned public school desegregation. Gerson neglects to mention the “vote caging” against minorities, that is stealing votes and stealing elections. This includes Iraq vets. Of course Gerson also helped us get into the illegal war in Iraq, which has oppressed the whole world.
This is incredible hyprocrisy by a racist pig. The Bushies are all about oppression, that is what they do best.
King opposed the Vietnam war also. But Gerson has not earned the “right” to quote Martin Luther King. Anyone who supports the “Patriot Act” (Treason Act), Libby, the Iraq war, and Torture is an enemy of Liberty. There is also the loss of Habeas Corpus, which is the same as creating a dictatorship.
Scooter Libby is more equal than others, plus if Scooter told the truth then the Fraud of Iraq would be revealed. WE CANNOT BE SILENT!.
Gerson has never lived up to these ideals, and has done his best to create of government of criminals. They destroy what they cannot steal, including the Constitution.
nitwit Bush is on CNN… his face is very twitchy and he sounds a little drunk.
Happy 4th July to my fellow patriots here at the lake that inspire me to live the dream of our forefathers!
For me, I will be a strolling protest today. I will take my signs from the spring impeachment rally and go walk around Independence Hall.
One sign is a 3ft vertical that says Free America, Impeach, the other which hangs around my neck says Have You Seen My Constitution Lately?
OldCoastie @ 71
He’ll probably drink his way through the next year and a half. Nothing else for him to do. Whether in office or drummed out, he’s finished.
Millineryman @ 72
Great ideas. I like the neck banner. We should market those at FDL.
Rev Deb, Bush can still do a lot of damage, drunk or sober.
he’s talking to the troops in NC and I can’t figure out what the hell he is taking about it…
edit: West Virginia National Guard
egregious, I admire Senator Webb. In fact, I admire many individual Dems. But the party as a whole? “..while the best lack all conviction”
Millineryman @ 72
WIsh I could join you. I’ll be home taking anti-biotics and a fist full of other stuff to get over a respiratory infection. Don’cha just love flying in airplanes that recirculate germs freely to those who feel the need to breathe? Very democratic.
Frank33 t 70: — thanks for dissecting Gerson.
Conyers yesterday:
“In light of yesterday’s announcement by the President that he was commuting the prison sentence for Scooter Libby, it is imperative that Congress look into presidential authority to grant clemency, and how such power may be abused,” John Conyers said. “Taken to its extreme, the use of such authority could completely circumvent the law enforcement process and prevent credible efforts to investigate wrongdoing in the executive branch.”
Conyers, speaking against a resolution condeming Clinton for pardoning terrorists.
“Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to what is clearly a politically motivated and totally senseless resolution. We are a Nation of laws, and if any matter is abundantly clear by our Constitution, it is that the President has the sole and unitary power to grant clemency. Is there any Member that does not understand that? Every President has the sole and unitary power to grant clemency…Now the reason that he has the power to grant clemency is that it is that the President is uniquely positioned to consider the law and the facts that apply in each request for clemency.”
I am so looking forward to the hearings next week :)
What to do:
Everybody can do something:
Lead. Follow. Support. Teach. Learn.
See something that’s not being done? Give yourself a battlefield promotion: you do it, or organize a group of people to get the job done.
See somebody else being an effective leader? Follow their directions and their guidance.
Are there people and groups doing amazing this that you admire? Support their efforts with funds, publicity, and words of encouragement. Hint: firedoglake fundraiser in progress to support the next chapter of Janevision and Marcyvision.
Have you figured out a little of what is going on? Teach others, whether children or adults. Most people do NOT know how far things have gone. Explain it to them.
Do things seem really confused? Learn more. Maybe things will still be confusing, but at a much higher level.
Everybody can do something.
Take care, Deb. Sorry about the nasties. This too shall pass.
We all remember the quote
Well, I judged Germans harshly based on that quote. Now, here we are. We see what is happening yet we seem powerless to stop it. I don’t know what to do. Our elected officials are supposed to take care of this. But, they are not. Hearings may be enlightening but NOTHING is changing. If anything, BushCo is getting more lawless.
Re dakine01 @ 66: Anyone else having trouble getting the link to come up? Or for that matter getting boston.com to come up at all?
Hey, William Delahunt, ya you, Bill, the one I’ve seen around Marina Bay. How ahh you?
I’m looking for big things out of you on the Judiciary Committee, big things. It’s time to take all of your years of knowing everyone and everything that’s going on and using it for the good of our country.
Come on, you’re getting older. Take the big chance and put pressure on your friends to go after the criminals in the White House; you’re retiring soon anyway. Do something necessary and historic.
We won’t forget you if you try. I promise to buy you and your friends a round at your favorite place. I’ll speak to you next time I’m ordering sandwiches at the little yellow sandwich shop and you’re beside me.
You don’t care about the round or the sandwich shop? Fine. Care about the country. Ratchet up the pressure for impeachment – we’re watching.
dakine01 @ 64
1. i don’t think getting rid of bush and cheney will not change the trajectory (although i do think it will slow things down greatly – which is a very good thing when we’re headed for a cliff).
2. the dems show no sign (at least w/o pressure from us) of repudiating major tenets of bush’s policies (preventive war, imperialism, warantless spying, secret government, insufficient responsible action on the climate crisis, reliance on economically/socially/environmentally unstable trade policies,…).
3. normally i would agree with you about the patience – but we don’t have the time to be patient. we have a global climate crisis hanging over us. and we should have acted yesterday.
Boston1775 @ 84
He had lots of fun on the floor of the House ranting along with the 30 somethings when no one was watching. I hope he knows we all will be watching this time. And this time it’s not for laughs.
Minnesotachuck @ 83
The Globe sometimes loads slowly and today is one of those days.
Hey RevDeb, sorry to hear you’re still not feeling well. Airplanes are germ factories, no if and buts about it. I hope you feel better soon. And in a few months time Independence Hall will be equal distance between us. I’m just saying, you know.
Scarecrow_ The neck banner is great, it allows you to keep you hands free for say a 3ft vertical sign. Or for handing out literature, etc. Take a look at my Facebook photo you’ll see the concept.
The commutation came about because Cheney told Bush to “Jump” and Bush said “How high?” I think that’s the reason that the commutation came so quickly because Cheney said “my boy Scoots” is going to jail and that can’t happen.
I can’t help but feel that Irve Lewis Libby (yes, I found his name with his parents in a Connecticut city directory) was promised no jail time from way back…
RevDeb @ 78
that so sucks… hope you feel better soon!
dakine01 @ 87
This seems to be working.
i’m being obnoxious with all the gloom. so, here’s a bit of good news… if we eat a bit of chocolate every day it might help to keep our blood pressure down.
sunny @ 61
sunny @ 61
Scarecrow @ 79
It was the least I could do, on MY FAVORITE HOLIDAY! Happy Birthday America, let freedom ring.
selise @ 90
Doc says 3-5 days or call him back. . . . I hope I don’t have to call back.
sunny @ 69
After years of Rust Limburger and BillO and the rest of the wurlitzer setting the agenda, it takes time to turn the ship and get people to paying attention. We actually have over forty years of hateful invective to overcome, going back to when I was in HS and college and the “cultural wars” first began. We need to show that it’s the parents and grandparents and Mr and Mrs Middle America that are standing up to power; otherwise, it’s just a bunch of DFH tree huggers who don’t know any better.
selise @ 92
If we eat a LOT will it keep it waaaaaaaay down?
See, our pres is a man of his word. He took very good care of Libby. It’s our misunderstanding of what he said that is the problem.
As a small step forward, I’ve just made a Paypal donation to the Lake. There doesn’t seem to be any automatic-donation button, so I’ll just put it in my appointment calendar to send more on a regular basis.
I could be wrong, and forgive me if someone has brought this up, but Dems could Impeach NOW over this Libby commutation. Why? Commutation is a power for governors not presidents
No federal caselaw supports this illegal assertion of non-delegated Judicial Power.
Only Two Options: The President illegally created a new, third option outside what the Framers intended. This option only exists for Governors.
The President has two options in re Libby: To issue a reprieve or a pardon. Neither was done.
“he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”
Article II
There is no mention of “commutation” in the Constitution, only pardons and reprieves. The three are not the same.
If this is truly the case, we are justified in asking the Dems: What are you going to do about this?
Constant at 99 — We’re working on a modification that would allow us to take monthly donations. It’s just taking a little time to work it into the site software. Thanks so much for the donation — we realy appreciate it! :)
dakine01 @ 66
great link. thank you.
selise @ 92
Historically I have low blood pressure. Chocolate is one of my main food groups. Connection?
Private Contractors OUtnumber U.S. Troops in Iraq
LA Times
I’m not downplaying the value of getting out the message. I don’t think there’s a person in my sphere who will vote republican. My fear is that the next 18mos will further erode this great country. And that’s where I feel helpless. No one seems able to stop these bastards.
Twain @ 97
i don’t know. maybe someone will have to do the experiment? *g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 101
Christy,
I sent in 2 snail mail checks months ago that never got cashed. Any idea what the hold up is?
I gain a lot of insight visiting this site.
Just a thought this morning: breathe deeply. go for a walk. connect with yourself.
Whatever we do to affect the world needs to come from clarity inside us.
I think of William Blake referring to ‘dark satanic mills’ (industrialization) and yet…and yet… seeing invisible worlds…
selise @ 85
We ARE putting the pressure on, even if we don’t always see the effects immediately. It is a marathon to right things and it just doesn’t happen over night.
And I understand the crisis on the environment but what would you have us do? We are in a world where Greenpeace is considered by many to be a terrorist organiztion and so-called “eco-terrorists” are getting thirty years in prison for acts of defiance.
Again, we are making headway but we have to overcome the inertia of compliant people and an anti-environment activist government. It is not a pleasant reality but it IS a reality that we have to deal with. Again, think of how far we’ve come just since An Inconvenient Truth has come out. It took some folks twenty-five to thirty years to recognize just how the deck has been stacked. The choices are to unstack the deck in an orderly fashion or force a game of “fifty-two card pickup.” If we do the latter, we lose more than we win.
Twain @ 97
Must be dark chocolate. Preferably those little Dove bites…. the science is in.
selise @ 92
Buying stock in chocolate companies also helps.
sunny @ 100
Well, that’s interesting. Good job. Can I email this to HRC and Schumer?
For more words to remember, and a good photo to inspire you, wander over to aking Light today.
‘Say what you mean. Bear witness. Iterate.’ – John M Ford
RevDeb at 107 — No idea — likely it may have been a slow up in mail from Jane’s LA postbox to CT. We’ve been trying to consolidate everything, but it’s been slowed up with the chemo for obvious reasons. The best thing would be to mention it to Jane, if you haven’t already — or to e-mail a reminder if you have.
Sorry Mods – in my #96 can you change investive to invective.
thank you.
I’ll give Selise 30 seconds to tell me how awfull chocolate companies are. 24 . . . 23 … 22… 21
Love ya, friend.
OldCoastie @ 104
and they have now hit the 1000 mark in death toll. Reuters reported it yesterday.
selise @ 85
My point exactly. I understand and, to some extent embrace, the marathon metaphor. But failure of the Dems to act boldly (Leahy, Conyers, Waxman notwithstanding) is jeopardizing current time and also the future. I am not confident that we have the 2008 election in the bag. Maybe that’s PTSD, but it is what it is.
If your house is infested with termites, you don’t sit down and write about it. You do something. Fast.
So.
1.) Keep the volume up, relentlessly, via emails, letters, phone calls, LTEs. That’s a start.
2.) Generate a presence in our communities. Especially in Washington DC and other highly visible locations. Don’t just stand there. Do something (legal) that could (underline could) attract media attention. Because if it doesn’t make to to television, it has very little impact.
3.) Organize, organize, organize. Haven’t read Paul Wellstone or Sol Alinsky lately, but maybe we need to.
4.) Who is brave enough to engage in civil disobedience? I’m not. Or at least, traditionally, have never been. I dunno. Can you do this?
5.) Too little too late, but the Republican Convention is convening next year in my town. Ugh. Possibilities abound (see 1-4 above).
6.) What legal procedures can citizens launch? Civil suits? I am way ignorant about American law, which is why I come to FDL where I know fine legal minds hang out.
7.) What can we do to lean on Pelosi and Congress to get impeachment back on the table? Yesterday’s discussions included deluging congress critters with photos of tables. Take mine from an earlier FDL post. I think this is a great idea. Cheap, easy. Mail ‘em. Fax em. Email ‘em. If we can get a big enough initiative launched, might we get a peekie from the media?
8.) And . . . ???
sunny @ 101
Sounds like Addington’s at it again…
Scarecrow @ 111
fair trade chocolate please.
selise @ 19
Buck up Selise :) I’m with Looseheadprop on this one. The founders blessed us with a great opportunity. They gave us a democracy if “we could keep it”. It has been a struggle from the beginning. There have always been those willing to defer to the powerful, even at their own personal expense. There will always be such people. Franklin’s quote is a reminder that simply creating a democracy is insufficient to support and maintain a democracy.
I have been blessed to be born in this place and in this time and now it is my turn to stand up and defend my country. Regretably, such a statement is often conflated with military service, but for me it is the very essence of citizenship. It is my duty as a citizen to participate in our democracy. And I must say, the outpouring I have seen these past two days has given me real hope that the citizens of our country will put a stop to our modern form of tyranny!
Happy 4th of July everyone! Lets go be revolting ;)
Scarecrow @ 111
only if it’s fair trade chocolate.
The President commuted Libby because he’s a compassionate conservative.
Scarecrow @ 116
hahaha. you know me too well…
And I understand the crisis on the environment but what would you have us do? We are in a world where Greenpeace is considered by many to be a terrorist organiztion and so-called “eco-terrorists” are getting thirty years in prison for acts of defiance.
Stop being afraid of what THEY will do to us if we stand up for our principles. If we are not willing to risk anything, nothing at all can be gained. Not just talking about the environment, tho that is extremely important, but exactly what are we sacrificing here in the blogosphere- a little time , a little money here and there, some tension in our everyday relationships bacause of political disagreements. What are we willing to sacrifice for the good of not only ourselves and our fellow countrymen, but the whole of the planet?
RevDeb @ 120
And stopping the FDA from changing the requirements for what can be truly considered “chocolate.”
Twain @ 98
Not necessarily. The study showed that the equivalent of two Hershey kisses a day was helpful. Problem is most chocolate comes in the form of very sweet milk chocolate….like Kisses!
Best to go for the specialty bars (66% or more dark chocolate, low sugar, and ideally with no milk at all).
My own habit is to make a daily drink of unsweetened cocoa (Droste’s and Ghiradelli are affordable..Hershey’s and Nestle are junk) with a modest amount of sugar, with milk or soy milk. My BP is 110/70.
Like a lot of other things, some of it being good for you does not necessarily mean that a lot more is better. Wine being a perfect example.
dakine01 @ 66
That’s a tasty link.
And not a surprise at all. Sticking up for someone who leaks classified information seems right in line with leaking protected legal information.
Well, that’s interesting. Good job. Can I email this to HRC and Schumer?
Please do.
dakine01 @ 127
Isn’t it amazing how we can’t even take the “good things” at face value? We lost the Bill of Rights, now chocolate. What next?
Bush’s actions make me even more disappointed in the Democrats. Do they intend to do anything beyond waiting for the end of the Bush administration?
solai @ 112
Don’t bother. Presidents of both parties have been issuing commutations for years. Check out the DOJ Office of the Pardon Attorney statistics.
egregious @ 48
“Enough” and “Had Enough?” are not sufficiently specific. The average American would see such a sign and be confused or think it is associated with an advertising campaign. We aren’t close enough to an election for most people to get the connection between “Enough” and President Bush.
Also “Enough” and “Had Enough” are not prescriptive. They don’t tell people what to do.
The best message is one that is simple, immediately comprehensible, and suggestive of a course of action.
Accordingly, for your local Fourth of July festivities, please consider making a sign that simply says “Impeach“. Carry the sign to your parade and when you’re done, stick it in your lawn.
We need to push the national conversation in the direction of impeachment – to show a groundswell of support for impeachment.
We need to be the leaders on this, as I think the Democrats in Congress are far from being convinced there is broad support for impeachment going back on the table.
Think back to Scarecrow’s post yesterday. It is clearly politically advantageous for a number of reasons for the topic of impeachment to be broached and placed on the table. If we had done so earlier, Bush’s obstruction of justice in the Libby case could have been framed more effectively as part of a larger pattern of criminality.
We can all initiate the impeachment conversation in our own communities. It could be the start of something big.
now we need to put the pieces of the puzzle together for the American public and the pieces are all there
now that we have the fourth estate establishing some kind of role we need to get on it and prono
we need to point out that this entire war was a sick maniacal plan put together by fascists in a depraved society known as the PNAC (pnac needs to be pronounced by democrats as PEE NASS since the “c” in “century” is pronounced as an “s”)
we need to make post their decade old agenda public, we need to show Americans these mad men were planning this fascist war a long time ago and we need to make public all the members of this sick fraternity
and EVERY time we refer to the PNAC we need to use “the sick fraternity of fascists known as the PNAC”
now is the time to expose these fascist maniacs, expose their purpose from long before the president took office, expose his aids as members of this sick fraternity
and expose their ties to Hitler himself
expose them as the cowards they are, expose them as taking joy from destabalizing the middle east and the world
expose them as theives who’s only purpose is to pillage from the spoils of war, pillage the middle class of America and pillage the resources of entire continents
the pieces are there and everytime a democrat talks about the war, this administration and this sick war we need to referance the sick fraternity to which they belong
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone.
From Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation:
On this day we celebrate truly great Americans who with a stroke of their quill pens signed their own death warrants in order to secure real democratic freedoms. We cannot but compare the occupants of the White House today and wonder why we have settled for so little when the founding brothers were willing to sacrifice so much.
dakine01 @ 127
except for we know it when we taste it, no matter the terminology
sunny @ 125
I’m not afraid of what they’ll do to us; I’m afraid of how far and how long we can be set back if we pound in there with no regard to the consequences. We’re still paying the price for the perceived sins of the early anti-war efforts and the conflation on the right of all the things on the left as dirty eff’ing hippies, Commie pinkos, radicals, femin*z*’s, etc.
Oops. Forgot my manners. Christy has a new thread ready.
Rayne @ 137
Well said, Rayne.
I’m not afraid of what they’ll do to us; I’m afraid of how far and how long we can be set back if we pound in there with no regard to the consequences. We’re still paying the price for the perceived sins of the early anti-war efforts and the conflation on the right of all the things on the left as dirty eff’ing hippies, Commie pinkos, radicals, femin*z*’s, etc.
Another thing to do is to stop worrying what right-wing freakazoids will call us. Who gives a shit what they call us? They will call us names, spit at us, throw rocks and whatever else their lizard brains can come up with no matter what we say or do.
Good morning, everyone.
Beautiful, outstanding post, Scarecrow.
I’m wondering if you all have seen the top post on dKos this fine moring. Pontificator has found that Judge Walton issued a hearing to discuss GWB’s commutation of Scooter’s sentence. Apparently, Judge Walton believes the law is not clear regarding whether or not serving probation can happen unless there is incarceration first. Read the pdf Walton issued, especially the footnote.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/3/222342/4056
I donated last week….. Just got back from Tampa celebrating my Mom’s 80th birthday. I won in the C*sino but gave it back to Ann Taylor & Talbots. Will send more next pay!
Off topic:
Stop by the YearlyKos Registration center tomorrow at 6pm PDT to meet Jeffrey Feldman Inworld.
sunny @ 142
Understood. But I’m NOT worried about the right wing freakazoids. I’m worried about the fifty to sixty per cent of America that is mostly apolitical, doesn’t listen to wing-nut radio, gets their news in sound bites on the corporate owned media, doesn’t participate in blog discussions or pay any attention to politics until a month before an election and then only to complain about all the ads on American Idol. THOSE are the people that we have to win over andNEED in order to change things. We lose them we lose. Period.
THOSE are the people that we have to win over andNEED in order to change things. We lose them we lose. Period
I agree. The way to win them over is to stand up, be bold, take the knocks no matter what is thrown at us. In the end, we win.
dakine01 @ 109 –
i’m not advocating giving up – and i don’t plan to. i am saying i really hate being told that everything will be ok if i’m patient…. because that just doesn’t make any sense to me.
barbara @ 119 –
i’m not sure… but i don’t think we all need to be thinking about civil disobedience at this point…. the piece that seems missing to me, at this moment in the blogosphere, is holding the dems accountable for their actions (see my lists at 56 and 86) just like we do with republicans… i wish i had the writing skills to help with that… but since i don’t, i wonder if maybe i should be doing more to support people who are addressing the issues in a more non-partisan way…. like organizations associated with the U.S. social forum that took place in georgia last weekend.
anyway, i’m still struggling with all this… and even if i had answers for myself, i’m not saying that anyone else should find the same answers. we’re all trying to do what makes sense and seems right to us.
for myself, i think it’s a bad idea to only address the problems with the neocons without addressing the problems with the neolibs.
maybe part of the problem is that most Ds hate hearing bad things about D policies about as much as most Rs hate hearing bad things about R policies. and we have to win over Ds just as much as we have to win over Rs. sometimes i think Rs are easier.
As Wm R. Pitt noted, the process needs to be examined for criminal intent:
sunny @ 147
the key here is, i think, to be very, very careful to always use honorable and just means.
I posted this as a comment on Marcy’s NH article, but that was perhaps aged out. In any case, it all applies to FDL too:
I’m a long-time lurker here, and seldom-if-ever commented. I do appreciate everything you have done, and continue to do. But I do think there needs to be an urgent focus on the relatively narrow matter of this latest outrage. Anyone should be able to understand it.
I have been moved (at long last) to take some minimal action by this week’s events. I have sent the following to our local newspaper (The Raleigh N&O) and the NY Times (neither of which is likely to do anything with it, alas). I have also sent it to my representative, David Price, and to my senators (tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber) as well as John Conyers:
Cary, NC – July 4, 2007
On this day when we should be celebrating our great nation’s independence from tyranny, I find myself consumed by feelings of discouragement, dismay, and rage.
I have witnessed over the course of the past six and a half years the erosion of our public life at the hands of an increasingly lawless group of leaders of our federal government. Others have cataloged the series of outrages perpetrated by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, and the government and party minions that have willingly assisted them. They have used every manner of deceit and worse to take our country into a foolish war that is a strategic dead end, or worse. They have corrupted every agency of our government and undermined the rule of law.
I fear that these outlaws are advancing toward tyranny, and we are meekly allowing this to happen. The public discourse on this has been abysmally deficient. Political leaders of both parties, and the media of every stripe, have been cowed into limp and flaccid posturing, or in many cases have actively aided and abetted these criminals.
What should be the final straw was the recent act by President Bush, wherein he blatantly abused the power of his office to interfere in the proper administration of justice. By commuting the sentence of I. Lewis Libby in such an unseemly manner, he has threatened our very existence as a republic. As he has shown in the matter of the politicization of the Department of Justice, he does not respect the rule of law.
This most recent act of defiance was in fact an obstruction of justice, whether or not it was aimed at protecting Mr. Cheney and himself. The evidence and testimony at Mr. Libby’s trial made it clear that Mr. Libby obstructed justice in order to protect one or more of his superiors. The only superiors he had in the government were Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush. Even if this commutation served only to protect Mr. Libby it would be a complete and total outrage, and should be cause for the President’s removal from office. Because Mr. Cheney was directly implicated in the acts which resulted in Mr. Libby’s trial and conviction, he too should be removed. Since the President was indirectly implicated, his interference in this matter makes it clear that he is unfit for the office he holds.
I urge everyone who values our traditions of freedom and justice to speak out and demand that this not be allowed to stand. The only solution left to us now is for the Congress of the United States to act. They must force the President and Vice President to answer for their crimes against the people of the United States.
I demand that our representatives immediately bring impeachment charges against the President and the Vice President for obstruction of justice. Rather than spend time now to consider all of their other crimes, which can and should be investigated later, they must be impeached now, tried, and removed from office. Anything less would be a grave mistake and would threaten our future as a free people.
Steven K. Smith
I’ll contribute, but these criminals have just begun their fight and I don’t know that walking around with placards and phoning politicians will deflect their attacks.
The rule of law, in the USA, has just been thrown out the window. Expect arrests, bloodshed and bitter family divisions. Don’t expect fair play or compassion from the other side.
Hmmm, “other side”. I wonder if the pundits, lobbyists, media giants and their families will drive out to the countryside near the District of Columbia to picnic and watch the first battle?
Shorter Tony Snow:
Even shorter Tony Snow: Since I cannot answer “no,” the answer must really be “yes.”
selise @ 150
Right on Selise. Check out Rebublicans @ 261 to see the danger we’re in when people here (on this site) believe the end justifies the means.
“MR. SNOW: . . . The President spent weeks and weeks consulting with senior members of this White House about the proper way to proceed, and they looked at a whole lot of options, and they spent a lot of time talking through the options and doing some very detailed legal analysis.”
Right here, in this answer, Snow acknowledges that Bush, together with multiple senior WH members, conspired to find a way to stop the legal process, and that it took weeks and weeks to come up with the “option” that was finally used. Therefore, the explanation used is a lie. It was just one of many options; a lie used to justify an action. The explanation means nothing, because it was concocted in conspiracy to obstruct justice.
Steve @ 151
Nice letter! If it gets printed or shows up online, let us know — I’m sure it will get some reactions.
We have some idea of how the whole July 4, 1976 thing turned out in America. But how have things been going in the Mother Country?
In Britain the Prime Minister is obliged to appear in Parliament periodically and to answer questions from M.P.s from all sides of the aisle. Here’s my own transcript of an excerpt from Mr. Brown’s opening statement at his first appearance in Parliament as P.M.:
Change with a new settlement is in my view essential to our countries future for we will only meet the new challenges of security, of economic change, of communities under pressure, and forge a stronger shared national purpose by building a new relationship between citizens and government that insures that government is a better servant of the people.…
So I now propose that in twelve important areas of our national life the Prime Minister and the executive should surrender or limit their powers, the exclusive exercise of which by the government of the day should have no place in a modern democracy. These are:
The power to declare war.
…
The power to make key public appointments without effective scrutinyThe power to restrict parliament oversight of our intelligence services.
…
Power in the appointment of judgesPower to direct prosecutors in individual criminal cases.
…
And the executive powers to determine the rules governing entitlement to passports and the granting of pardons.
I now propose to surrender or limit these powers to make for a more open 21st century British democracy which better serves the British people.
It’s quite a striking contrast to the current administration on this side of the pond, eh what?
(adapted from the Schapira blog)
Where were you when the Clintons pardoned Marc Rich? What Bush did was expected and lawful and he will likely pardon Libby as well and that will also be lawful. These are all bad people, including the Clintons. And to take the “side” of the Democrats at this juncture in our history ignores the real crisis we confront with a corupt corporate controlled media and the lack of any progressive national leadership.
This is a very similar post to one I did within the week, so my apologies to those with echo sensitivity.
The Founding Fathers weren’t gods. The treatment of the American colonies by the British wasn’t grossly unfair by 18th century standards. It’s American to call King George III “power-mad”, but I don’t think it was unreasonable to expect a prosperous bunch of colonists to help foot the bill for expensive military operations taken on their behalf a few years earlier during the “French and Indian War”. Americans had the highest standard of living, the highest literacy rate, and just about the highest degree of “freedom” in the entire world. Very few white people could be called victims of tyranny, especially the highly privileged group that gathered in Philadelphia. Even then, their motivation was truly American, it was about the money. And the Declaration wasn’t a divinely inspired Truth channelled from God through St. Thomas. It was a political document, cleverly spun. No one in those days would dispute its real meaning: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that white male property-holders are entitled to certain inalienable rights, and among these are the right to treat our Negro property and Indians standing in the way of our real estate holdings however we damn well please.” I’m as thankful as anyone that the Declaration is interpreted more literally these days, but sometimes I think the 4th of July lump in our throat cuts off the blood to our brain’s center for critical thought. The American Revolution wasn’t a break with racist, genocidal, European imperialism, it was an extension of it. One of the True American Ideals has always been national, racially-based exceptionalism, and the last 6 years are a continuation, not an aberration.
LeftDCin 72 @ 158
I was gravely disappointed. But by the time I found out, Clinton was no longer my president, and he had already been impeached for the crimes of which Scooter Libby stands convicted.
this from the AP
Attorneys See Irony in Libby Case
WASHINGTON – President Bush knew what he was getting in 2001 when he made Reggie B. Walton one of his first picks for a seat on the federal bench: a tough-on-crime judge with a reputation for handing down stiff sentences.
A former deputy drug adviser, federal prosecutor and Superior Court judge, Walton seemed a perfect fit for the new president. And Walton didn’t disappoint, proving to be exactly the kind of no-nonsense judge Bush was looking for.
Until now.
When erasing former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case, Bush said Walton was being too harsh.
(snip)
Walton, the son of a steel worker who turned a hardscrabble upbringing into a legal career, declined Tuesday to discuss the case or his views on sentencing.
“To now say anything about sentencing on the heels of yesterday’s events will inevitably be construed as comments on the president’s commutation decision, which would be inappropriate,” the judge said in an e-mail.
(snip)
Also noteworthy, defense attorneys said, was seeing the White House urge leniency just weeks after the Bush administration announced a tough new crime bill that would bar judges from going easy on criminals. They would be free to impose longer sentences, but not shorter ones.
To hear Snow tell it, Walton ignored the recommendation of probation officials and sentenced Libby to prison. That isn’t what happened. Probation officers recommended Libby serve 15-21 months. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald recommended more than 30 months. Libby’s attorneys asked for probation.
Walton accepted Fitzgerald’s interpretation of the law, which said Libby should be sentenced more harshly because of the seriousness of the investigation he obstructed.
Steven Smith @ 151
In response to your letter -
The government was put in the hands of the people. We bow to tyranny or we stand and fight it. The elite few with the desire to rule rather than serve have been gaining momentum for many years. Now they are in power and installed those with the same belief in key positions. The people have been locked out of their own government.
Bush, Cheney and their minions are traitors to the Constitution and rule of law. They do not represent America and the Constitution any more than Jim Crow did in the south. They took one oath and that was to uphold the Constitution and they contemptuously stomped on it.
They are mere mortals and will become dust in the wind. What a terrible legacy they leave. But we the people will endure from generation to generation and we shall continue to uphold the Constitution. Those consumed with power and the lust to oppress others will come and go but we the people will continue the legacy of our forefathers.
Dale @ 159
This element was also present but there were many influences on the writers outside of materialism and this is the spirit and much of the language that endures today. They fell short of their ideal but the intent supercedes the flaws of these men. That is its power.
I don’t think the commutation is about keeping their buddy Scooter out of jail, so much as it is about keeping Scooter from singing under the threat of jail. As the inevitability of incarceration approached, Scooter might have started negotiating with Fitzgerald. And from what I remember about his last press conference, Fitzy left that door open.
Does anyone wonder how Libby can actually be charged for obstructing justice when it has been concluded with malice that no crime was committed in the investigation Libby supposedly obstructed? Odd, but hell let’s just lynch Libby, that makes sense.
Dale @ 159
Thank you so much. I find it hard to understand why so many on this site try an deify the founders. If they (the founders) were in control right now, none of you who are: members of a minority, women, and not real property owners, would be allowed to express your ideas like this (not to mention, you wouldn’t be allowed to vote). They were intelligent men who designed a system to best meet their needs. Human nature doesn’t change, they weren’t better.
SERENITY’S STOOGE
by a.h. scott
There he stands
Serenity’s Stooge
That ‘what? who me’ gaze
Serenity’s Stooge strikes again
From court stackin’, Brown whackin’
Serenity’s Stooge has his finger on the trigger
Commuting, polluting, chuckling and evading
Serenity’s Stooge decides it all
From wars that makes us hated
To political points he’s traded
Poor Richard, isn’t so poor at all
With stock ops, black ops, and laws broken galore
Georgie Porgie, lying left and right
How can you sleep with yourself at night?
Serenity’s Stooge, so calm in the storm
From Gulf to Gulf, everything he touches goes wrong
Privilege is yours from the executive building
No matter how corrupt your crew is,
The terror blanket you constantly wrap yourself in
Serenity’s Stooge, you should resign
And take the Duke of Darkness with you,
So America can shine again
Serenity’s Stooge exit stage far right
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Two Dogs @ 165
The “intent” element was not present in connection with the Armitage disclosure. You are wrong that it has been concluded or proven that no crime was committed in connection with dislcosures of Plame’s “identity”.
No one knows what really happened, in part, because Libby has been found guilty of obstructing the investigation by lying. If you had to prove the purported underlying crime under investigation in order to prove the obstruction of the purported underlying crime under investigation, then all the obstructor (Libby) would have to do is prevent proof of the purported underlying crime under investigation which is what seems to have happened or it seems a jury reached that conclusion.
The “underlying crime” argument advanced by the pundits is much like there is no murder without a dead body.
mod note: We’d be happy to discuss but let’s leave the Marc Rich lines out, ok? thanks!
Quaker Girl @163,
Succinct and well put.
Their avowed ideals were eloquently stated, and those ideals’ influence has been powerful. But I still think it’s important to remain aware of their unstated motives, and I think it’s dangerous, shortsighted, and just plain boring to deify them. They weren’t the world’s only proponents of these ideals, they seem to have taken root just fine in the empire from which we revolted. It’s another example of American exceptionalism that we seem to believe that the world would be a totalitarian wasteland without our American founding saints.
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
After the criminality of the Nixon years and his resignation in disgrace, our representatives in Congress stepped up and sought “to provide new Guards” for our lives, our liberty and our pursuit of happiness.
The FISA law enacted in 1978 was one of these. The illegal surveillance of U.S. citizens by the Nixon administration was presumably addressed, with FISA specifically stating that the FISA court was the court of last resort and that all surveillance activities required a warrant from the FISA court.
The criminals in the Bush administration from the beginning had to trash this law meant to protect U.S. citizens from ego-mad tyrants like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Libby, Addington and so many other un-American Bush officials. And the Republicans controlling Congress at the time let them get away with it.
Luckily, Democrats gained control (though tenuous) of Congress again in early 2007. In November 2008, hopefully, Democrats will expand their control of Congress and once again begin to right the wrongs of the hard-core, un-American right-wingers who’ve once again usurped our democracy and endangered the lives, the liberty and the pursuit of happiness of all the rest of us.