Ah, Independence Day, where we as Americans celebrate the right of people like Kate O’Beirne to make complete asses of themselves on national television. Huzzah! (“Ah’m PROUD to be an Amurricunnnn, whur at least Ah know Ah’m freeeee, etc., etc….”) O’Beirne, as most of you know, has been an iron-shod shock-trooper in the War on Justice as pertaining to Scooter Libby, and the commutation of his sentence has done nothing to dampen her evangelical zeal to appear on TeeVee in his defense.
Oddly enough, Tweety pulled his face out of the Kool-Aid™ pitcher long enough last night to call her out. I know, shock, horror. You could have knocked me over with a feather. And interestingly enough, Matthews was actually talking sense on matters pertaining to Bill Clinton, without even so much as a longing glance in the direction of Mr. and Mrs. Big Dog’s underwear drawer.
Truly, the End Times must be at hand. (Of course, he ruins the effect at the end by pulling his typical false equivalency deal, “Democrats do it too!”, as is his wont, never mind that President Clinton was not convicted of perjury or obstruction of justice by any court, before or after his presidency. Whatever makes those Dewar’s and sodas with Joe Klein go down easier, Chris…)
Let’s go to the transcript:
Matthews: Where were you on President Clinton’s perjury and obstruction of justice? Did you support impeachment of him for those crimes?
Kate O’Beirne: For his…yes, for his self-confessed, his self-confessed, for his self-confessed perjury…
Matthews: Well, let me get this straight. If a Democrat does it, it’s a High Crime. But if a Republican does it, it’s, what, “prosecutorial overreach”?
O’Beirne: (emphatically, condescendingly) Chris, he admitted to committing perjury.
Matthews: Right, I’m just trying to find some consistency here from Kate O’Beirne.
Hooboy, Mr. Matthews, good luck with that. You might as well try to find some sobriety here from Pete Doherty.
Don’t you get it, yet? O’Beirne only believes in prosecution of people who aren’t part of her own, wealthy, hard-Right milieu. If Li’l Kim lies to a grand jury? Well, we’ve never seen her at Lynne Cheney’s Chili Fridays, she must need to go to jail, whereas, say, if Michael Ledeen slaughters an entire immigrant family and their pets? Well, surely all the nuances and facts of the case should be taken into consideration before the White House throws him a bone and sends him on his way scot-free, the little scamp.
It’s how “Justice” works under the Bush Administration. We are only a nation of laws if no one in Bush’s inner circle was your college roommate. Ipso facto. Quod erat demonstrandum.
And of course, the lesson that the Democrats in Congress are sending to history by being too lazy and cowed to take this obstruction of justice rap and hang it around the Preznint’s neck like an anvil is this: If you are a Chief Executive who flagrantly abuses power and participates in criminal activity, don’t worry your precious Presidential head one bit. Congress won’t impeach you because it’s too hard, and because Rush Limbaugh might say nasty things about them.
Happy Independence Day, y’all. That drilling sound you hear? It’s James Madison rolling in his grave.
James Madison of Virginia argued in favor of impeachment stating that some provision was “indispensible” to defend the community against “the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate.” With a single executive, Madison argued, unlike a legislature whose collective nature provided security, “loss of capacity or corruption was more within the compass of probable events, and either of them might be fatal to the Republic.”40 Benjamin Franklin supported impeachment as “favorable to the executive”; where it was not available and the chief magistrate had “rendered himself obnoxious,” recourse was had to assassination. The Constitution should provide for the “regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused. (from the Washington Post archive of Documents from The Starr Referral)



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Happy holiday trex!
Hiya Trex! Hi y’all!
Happy Fourth, TRex and everyone!
60 grit.
Evening TRex!
Republicans a hypocrites TRex. Especially the ones on TV. Isn’t that your message at least 3 nights a week?
Hi TRex and all–gosh I’m so, so, happy to be here.
Christine
SnarKassandra @ 6
Did I look surprised about it? I didn’t mean to.
Christine Edmonson @ 7
And we are happy you are here!
Happy 4th TRex!
The Republican Party.
The one with Libby,Libby,Libby on the label,label,label.
Can’t think of a more representative logo.
So, who had great barbeque tonight? Hi Cassie!
Christine Edmonson @ 12
We had pizza. And cookies.
Happy 4th everyone !!!
dude @ 11
puts Impeachment on the table table table
repeat of dive for the west coast transmission:
climbing tallest dive platform (wearing the patriotic dive suit found by LooHoo) with a lit sparkler in each hand, walking out to the end of the platform…
armstand back double-somersault with one and a half twists in the free position, sparklers shooting off sparks until splashless entry
g’evening everyone
Happy 4th of July TRex.
Suzanne @ 15
Perfect! I love your swim suit. 10.0
btw Suz, I could have sworn I heard the 1812 Overture as you were executing that dive…
What manner of fuckery is afoot?
Elliott @ 16
HA! Good, Elliot.
Elliott @ 15
LOL !!!
We had London broil, lots of bean and potato salads, greens and ice cream. The University gave us one big day off… summer here is lovely in Cleveland.
I let downstairs know, TRex.
I went to a party where that was peopled exclusively by married wealthy people and their armies of kids. After a couple of hours of the kids pounding by on their Razor scooters, skateboards, and bikes, and howling like little maniacs, I turned to my sister-in-law and said, “I think I’ve reached my stimulus threshold. Can we go now?”
The thing that makes me the most nervous at those parties is the number of anxious, pleading come-ons I see in the eyes of men who are watching me over their wives’ shoulders. Yeesh. I’m all, like, “YOU decided to get married, there, Sparky. Little late to be flirting with me now, isn’t it?”
Straight people are so perverted. It’s just not natural.
Sounds yummy, Christine! Burgers here.
Happy Independence Day to all my American friends!
Hi persiflage, thanks!
TRex @ 24
Republicans are the most perverted of all.
The world is full of Sparkys, I’m sure. Specially on the 4th.
Breathtaking dive there, Suzanne.
LoudounLib @ 27
Ditto!
So earlier today FDL has a picture of Gerlado and his porn-stache and now there is Kate O’Bile.
My EYES, my EYES!!!!
Oh well – I hope everyone had a enjoyable July 4th.
TRex @ 24
How do you tell the difference between those wanting to be single like you and those wanting to be with you ?!! *g*
I had the distict displeasure of watching that crap this morning. OBURNNNNN has positively lost whatever was left of her tiny mind.
Loo Hoo,
We LOVE good food here, and spend most holidays preparing local available stuff from our West Side Market.
Happy 4th everyone. Here it is the 5th already but I’m doing an Amurrican BBQ for the Downunderites -
Ribs (what they call here “American ribs” Aussies don’t grow a lot of pork)
Baked spicy chicken wings
Home made potato salad
Corn on the cob
home made cherry pie and home made apple pie (with ice cream for those not on diets)
Y’all come.
Evenin’ everybody.
tbsa @ 34
That voice really gets on my nerves too…
Thank you, TRex. I thought the sparkles might bring a sparkle to your eyes.
(( waves a 4th of July sparkler at petedownunder ))
TRex if you go to parties with NOT-Rich people, do the husbands still flirt with you?
((waives to Persiflage – you and Mr P can’t claim you weren’t invited!)
petedownunder @ 36
that’s sounds as yummy as Christine Edmonson’s London Broil
AlexandriaCynic @ 37
Hey neighbor!
IIRC, Kate’s husband is also a toad.
Great dive, Suze. I almost needed biinoculars to see you way up there.
((waives to LoundounLib – Happy 4th!)
Christine- is that the West Side Market on 25th?
TRex @ 24
TRex = Chuck magnet.
TRex,
Hey, I spend a lot of time there too — I work with a great gang of curators, and speculation is a hobby… ya know what I mean?
Off to watch fireworks with the kids. Hope everyone had a good day.
LoudounLib @ 44
Hey, LL. You get downtown for the fireworks or stay out west and get hailed?
I love the way ol’ 60 Grit was described in that New Republic article:
My only quibble is that the word “blonde” should have scare quotes.
Just in the name of journalistic accuracy…
petedownunder @ 36
Ribs (what they call here “American ribs” Aussies don’t grow a lot of pork)
——————————————–
If you think we don’t have a lot of pork, you haven’t been watching our politicians closely enough.
The food sounds delicious, wish I was there.
TRex = Chuck magnet.
Ding
Nah Alex, didn’t get off work until after 6 so I came on home and caught the show on PBS. What about you, did you go?
Milan River @ 47
\
Yes it is and we love it.
Today’s me birthday (for another half-hour) and the daughter of my best bud down the street produced the coolest present evaaaaaar………….a gwb Voodoo Doll! If you’ve not seen this wonderful new tool, the kit contains:
• a 56-page book – introducing you to the fine art of political voodoo, complete with real spells suitable for every political occasion.
• a gwb look-alike voodoo doll – marked so you know exactly where to push the pins for specific spells.
• magic voodoo pins – to activate the spells and goose bush into (or out of) action.
Good thing the ‘puter and idiot box are in the same room; means less steps necessary to reach the doll as needed. *g*
Hell’s bells and codfish, could conserve energy better spent on spells by just hanging the bloody thing around my neck (already feel like I’m carrying the weight of his years of insert your choice of words here around on my back).
That’s a real catwalk moment for Pete ‘I’ll have another bump, guvna’ Doherty in that pic there, Rex.
;>)
Whoo Hoo! I get to be here once for Late Nite.
I just tried to explain Blogs to my mom,talk about your role reversals!
She just bookmarked the joint.
One smaqll step for democracy, one giant leap for a technophobe.
Hiya Trex, good to be here.
Caint stay long,YMMV.
Hippo birdie 2 ewe, Waccamaw
We were there there last Sat. – it really is one of the best things about Cleveland.
Happy birthday Waccamaw, and what an awesome gift that is!
SnarKassandra @ 41
Oh, I’ve already had sex with all those guys…
Ah, to honestly answer your question, though, no, social class doesn’t really seem to matter. This is something that has been happening more in the last five or six years, though, like now that the dialog is becoming more open on bisexuality and people’s experimentation throughout their lives, a lot of men who never experimented and are in long-term heterosexual relationships are possibly starting to feel like they maybe missed out on something.
Does that make sense?
Waccamaw @ 57
Hells bells and codfish! VooDoo! I’ll try anything at this point.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
By the way, did anyone notice Bush’s bruise above his eye when he obstructed justice by commuting Libby?
Has there been any discussion of this?
FTC abandons net neutrality
(I only found out myself a couple hours ago.)
ccmask, yes I did, and I wondered what it was…
JOSEPH DeGENOVA: PRFESSIONAL LIAR FOR GEORGE W. BUSH
and Husband of Victoria Toensing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OdWY3JumGo
Enjoy
John Tully
TRex @ 63
It’s just that your scales are best looking now.
persiflage @ 53
Hah … there’s that famous Aussie snark !!! *g*
(Bold mine)
LoudounLib @ 56
Nah — stayed home and got cuaght-up on some work work. If I’d heard about an impeach the bastards march, i woulda gone downtown; there just wasn’t enough time to get anything organized. But I still say we should start something now.
My good deed for the day was to wear a tee shirt that said, “Stop yer bitchin’ and start a revolution.” Thank goodness we still have freedom of arcgh’af vih;oeit/.;oi r!!!!!
[snarks]
TRex @ 63
Yep.
So the lesson is that we should all be experimenting at 15 so we don’t get regrets when we are old and married. Right????
(ha ha. Can you tell Big Brother is not home?)
darkblack @ 58
I know, what a mensch.
Hey, hi, ho-there, firepups.
It’s patrex, writing from the back of the Psychedelic Furs tour bus parked on Pier Six here in Baltimore.
We just played and are about to pull out to go to the next town.
How’s everybody doing?
I didn’t see Bush’s bruise.
Eating pretzels again?
Milan River @ 61
We’ve shopped here for 25 years, and Nate’s Deli has the best falafal in the city. Really, I meant to leave here in 1982, but raised a family and held a job in an art museum since 1901.
Impeachment.
NOW
Or we have a failed Congress as well as a failed Thuggry er Administration.
A lot of us fought for this country, and a lot of our friends died fighting for it, including my best friend. I don’t want to think that he died so King George could rule. This is not a left or right issue. This is an American issue, and it is up to us to see to it that it is put right, even if that means turning out the entire failed Congress for some folks who really will defend and support the Constitution.
AlexandriaCynic @ 71
Heh ;-) I did see an “Impeach” sign today though, going out the toll road tonight, hung from the Rt 7 overpass!
ccmask @ 65
Cheney’s dick is made of Halliburton steel.
Thankee, dear fire pup friends!
Not much to smile about these days but this gift did the trick and holds promise for at least a chuckle with each pin insertion.
Renee in Ohio @ 75
just above his eyebrow.. looks like a smoodge on the picture… reminds me of the kinda bruise little toddlers get on their foreheads after losing balance and faceplanting on the floor.
TRex @ 79
EWWWWW!!!!!
TRex @ 79
18 YEARS OLD, YOUNG LADY!! 18!!!
EIGHT. TEEN.
HAVE I MADE MYSELF CLEAR?
Since 1901- you are a Cleveland institution.
Evening all. Great post TRex. I think however that we are hearing earthquake rumbles as all the founding fathers (with the possible exception of Alexander Hamilton) are spinning in their graves over the actions of this (mal)administration.
Suzanne @ 81
Noticed that, too. Makes ya wonder……..bike or chain saw?
TRex @ 86
Yes sir Mr Therapod. :)
AWK! what a lie – I meant 1983
patrick @ 74
Hey Patrick, how’s it goin’ ?
Are you coming to Toronto ?
BTW, congrats on the gig … are you having fun ?
DrDick @ 85
I really heard it today.
TRex @ 73
The patron saint of intemperate discombobulation
;>)
Renee in Ohio @ 75
Dickie’s boss pokey finger met Mr. Soft Skull halfway.
;>)
raised a family and held a job… since 1901
Christine, you must be the oldest firepup on the planet! Happy Independance Day everyone!
I’ve been trying to convince my brother that he needs to go up to the guys in The Fixx and say, “How come you’re not playing ‘Mr. Roboto’ on this tour? Man, I LOVE that song!” And then start singing the chorus, really loud and off-key.
He won’t do it.
Cynic @ 77
Please fax your message to every member of Congress.
Pulling up a chair and sitting quietly.
darkblack @ 92
He made him a deal he couldn’t refuse…
SnarKassandra @ 72
I don’t think brains and clear thinking have anything to do with sexual orientation (yeah, I realize this is all kidding around). TREX is a smart, smart, man. That’s the end of it. And Cassie seems to disprove the comment that brains have something to do with age (being a regular reader now of her blog) So I’m totally lost.
Happy fourth All
TRex @ 79
A unique flacid alloy.
Good evening, everyone!
Well, I was gonna comment on the terrific post… but it seems the thread has become much more interesting.
I was talking with a teenager I know the other day about how high school students discuss & deal with sexual orientation. She told me that people are very open about their sexual orientation. She also said many people claim they are bisexual, because it is considered (at least at her school) to be more acceptable to be bi than to be gay or lesbian. She also said some men claim to be bi or gay when they’re actually straight. Apparently it’s very cool to be openminded sexually.
I found this so fascinating, because a couple decades ago, you would be ostracized if you came out as homosexual, and it would be even more shocking and far less tolerated to come out as bisexual.
It’s amazing how quickly respect and tolerance can be learned. It gives me hope that we can continue to grow and be more accepting of one another within our society.
TRex @ 94
Perhaps this situation requires an escalation of tactics directly to a triple dog dare.
Milan River @ 83
I’m not such a good typist?
Maybe Laura hit him again. I mean a president doesn’t have bruises for nothing, does he?
TRex @ 94
AAAAACK! Styxx at it’s worst.
Yeah, I’m old.
Young pup Snarkassandra?
Wait for it.
landofthefree @ 100
What state were they in?
LoudounLib @ 97
Never get between a Cheney and his sustenance
;>)
TRex @ 94
OMG that would be great. If I were there, I would totally do that.
Patrick, what are you doing with the Furs? Where are ya touring?
Little Voodoo for Waccamaw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJmPtneBibU
Jimi Hendrix style.
darkblack @ 106
707!
Christine, I figured. That’s cool.
I left Cleveland for marriage. Still get home, and back to the western subs often. Rt 2 is my friend. 50 miles is nothing with the right music or books on CD.
DB?
You never fail.
Hiya Patrick !
Touring?
Cool.
SnarKassandra @ 105
Euphoria
;>)
Cassie – in Michigan, not far from the motor city. Is this similar to what you see in school, or are things a bit different (are people more private about their sexual orientation, or is homosexuality or bisexuality not well tolerated?)
Ok folks, that’s it for me — I’ve already stayed later than I told myself I would. Good night and have fun!
dragging myself off, kicking and screaming
landofthefree @ 100
Kids today have seen enough Very Special Episodes of their favorite sitcoms now that gay people are just part of the scenery. I’m proud of them. They’re going to be much cooler about all this when they’re in charge of this country instead of their great grandparents who are holding the reins now.
LoudounLib @ 114
g’ night!
but figuring LL’ll be back
Happy B’day Waccamaw, sounds like the perfect gift for any occasion.
No Picnics here. I spent five hours beating the heat and floating down the Blackfoot River (of “A River Runs Through It” fame) in an inner tube. To my chagrin, I discovered that proximity to water amplifies the burning power of the sun’s rays exponentially. Ouch.
sleep well, LL
Renee in Ohio @ 66
Federal Trade Commission might just find itself neutralized if this keeps up.
Petrocelli @ 90
No T’onto gig, unfortunately, but I am finally starting to relax and enjoy the gigs. We had a good one tonight. Now we have a couple of days off to kill in Newburgh, NY. Any firepups in that neighborhood?
no can do Elliott, 4:30 is looming fast! ;-)
landofthefree @ 113
Some people are openly gay and a bunch are bi. But mostly people are straight. But MOST people don’t care. Most. But there’s a lot who do.
I know one kid at a different school who is gay but he didn’t tell anyone at his school. Still. And he’s going to be a senior.
My friend’s sister is 20 or 21. She was bi for a while and then lesbian and now she’s getting married, so either she’s straight or she’s bi but still getting married. Also, for a long time she only wore guy shirts and only pants.
DrDick @ 117
aloe vera gel STAT
Good night LL/
patrick @ 120
Great that you are enjoying it … sad that you’re not coming up here … what about Buffalo, NY?
darkblack – lol!
Trex – you mentioned how we must be near the end times. I regret to inform you that the Rapture Index at RaptureReady.com is at it’s lowest point for 2007 – meaning that the Rapture is less likely to be imminent than it has been all year. Awwww.
Anyway, if the rapture is dependent on the behavior of Chris Matthews, I think it means we’re all going to hell. (insert Chris Matthew’s “HA!” sound here)
Time marches on.
I, like you, are waiting for the bastards to die.
I have had enough of their vision of what this country should be.
Time for me to go.
Christine Edmonson @ 35
Christine, I live in a county about 60 miles east of Columbus. I’ve never been to Cleveland. I’ve heard food is taken very seriously there!
g’nite Milan River.
In case anyone here missed Jane’s post on Kate last year, called Wht Kate O’Bierne is a dangerous bitch
ccmask @ 103
I’m betting Poppy gave him a whollop after he got the boat anchor stuck.
Or else Putin tripped him flat-faced after vodka shots.
Or maybe it’s just quail-shot peppered from Shooter’s expensive gun: “Sign the damn Scooter payoff paper, George!” *BANG*
Night LL.
Cleveland what a mysterious land, for a westerner.
Sk @ 105
Talkative state, it sounds like.
(No, I don’t know.)
I spent the afternoon making a skull-and-crossbones flag. It’s almost done: I have to do the ‘reverse applique’ to make the bones white instead of black, and then put in the grommets on the hoist end. (Two layers of light-weight black fabric sandwiched around one of white nylon organza. Freehand machine-zigzagged outlines for the bones. If you try it at home, this is the silky polyester that JoAnn’s sells, and really, you want to use stabilizer on it. Try the tear-off kind.)
TSF do you really think Bush’s dad hits him? Or Cheney?
ccmask @ 131
…And it’s not just because of the abrasion hazard.
;>)
g’nite Suzanne and all. Catch you on future posts.
SnarKassandra @ 122
I know one kid at a different school who is gay but he didn’t tell anyone at his school. Still. And he’s going to be a senior.
That’s so amazing to me. How wonderful that most people don’t care. (It doesn’t surprise me that some do – when you consider that 15 or 20 years ago, most people never revealed their sexual orientation in high school, there will be some people who have been raised with very negative views of homosexuality or bisexuality). I’ve always been a pretty open and liberal person, and several very close friends of mine in high school were gay or lesbian, but never came out to schoolmates until our 10th reunion.
TRex, you are so right. People like Cassie are so much more enlightened about the world and each other, they are a lot smarter and tuned into a lot more important topics than we were as kids. Thank goodness – there’s hope for our world yet!
P J Evans,
Aren’t you supposed to just raid another ship?
Heh, I am a card carrying pirate.
; )
Night MR.
landofthefree @ 107
Playing drums, having fun. We have some tri-state gigs coming up- Buffalo, Long Island, Nueva Jersey… then we fly out west for three dates and then I am home.
What happened to Jesus generals review of Kate’s book. It was first on her Amazon page….
Loo Hoo -
No can play but the thought is much appreciated and the experience hopefully enjoyable for those who can.
TRex @ 115
I talk to kids and young adults all the time about yoga/self- improvement and they are really spiritual (living in unity and peace) and less religious (Our God is good, their God is evil). They see no difference between those of different sexual orientation because there is none.
If I had a dime for every time I’ve had to explain to an adult (especially the oldies) the difference between spirituality and religion …
TeddySanFran @ 132
… or D) All of the above … *g*
What the hell ever happened to the poster that went by the name Kate O’Bierns Teeth?
Vodka jello shooters?
When I was growing-up in Richmond, the very idea that someone might be gay was suffient cause to ostracize them. Bi wasn’t even grokked.
Bi the way [snarks] Bush has had that bruise more times than I can count. If someone wants to take the time to run through photos of his assholeness, they would find shot after shot of the same mark in the same spot. I think it’s the mark of the devil. Or the Dick. Or Laura. Or Condi. They all run together.
Take it from a white skinned, red-headed man.
The Sunburn Regime
1. Take two to four Advil.
2. Take a hot, hot shower. I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but for some reason, it dulls the pain, after the first excruciating blast of agony. The nerves fry out, or maybe enough endorphins have finally squirted into your brain pan.
3. At the end of your shower, gently apply conditioner to the burned areas and give it a minute to sink in. Rinse.
4. Pat yourself dry and apply a mixture of Aloe Vera gel and lotion. I like Aveeno.
5. Make a large bowl of ice cubes and cold water. Drop in four or five black teabags. Allow to soak until the water turns dark. Apply the tea-bags directly to the skin, returning them to the bowl when they warm up.
Do not use Solarcane. Stay out of the sun for a few days. Keep the burned areas moisturized and clean.
Good luck and god speed to your healing.
patrick @ 142
When are you going to be in Buffalo … one of my nephews is in a band here in Toronto and I’d like him to see you guys.
TRex @ 150
Does your skin stay darker?
Loved the one comment on the page about Bush’s Bruise:
“Gee, I didn’t know psychokinetics actually worked.”
ROFLMAO!
http://www.blah3.com/article.p…..3191124938
I’ve just heard that Paris Hilton has found God.
Is there a video?
The tea bags do not stain the skin, Cassie, if that was what you were asking.
patrickrex-
please tell richard butler that i saw love spit love in oxford, ohio, and i had gooseflesh the entire time……..in a bar………..hair on my body raised during the first song, and lasted for days…….was the best concert i had ever seen/heard…and i’ve lost count of concerts……..
if you all were anywhere near here, i would be there……..nearest place was indianapolis, and we couldn’t get it together quickly enough, just knew about on tuesday and it was thursday…….
the love spit love cd is one of my all-time favorites, have turned many onto him…….
best to you patrick—how’s the new callouses comin’ on?
Suzanne @ 155
Yep
found god and jello shooters?
Sheeit.
I know how he gets ‘em, It’s from getting falling down drunk.
Choked on a pretzel, sure.
He couldn’t get to his beer fast enough and fell on his face.
Bustednuckles @ 147
The one who said, “hurmm” ??
Christine Edmonson @ 76
Dang, Christine. You’ve held your job for a long old time.
No, but it seems to prevent peeling. But most of all, the cold tea bags kill the pain. It’s a delicious feeling. All the better if you can just lie there while someone else changes them out.
Oldie but goldie:
“I have long thought that if high-school boys had invited homely girls to the prom we might have been spared the feminist movement.”
Kate O’Bierne
OK. I am gonna invoke the Suzanne rule about stupid questions.
Are people from all different cultures gay and bi? Are there gay muslim people and lesbian born again Christian people? Even the religions where you have to have lots of babies? What do people do if they live in that kind of culture and they might be gay?
Subway Serenade @ 154
Was a simple misundestanding. She was using a Bible as her stash box-in-a-book and it was mistakingly thought she had a conversion.
TeddySanFran @ 160
True confession:
About half the time, that was me. I still don’t know who the other one was.
So antidote to pretzels is beer and/or a good chaser. Which explains so much had a friend in college like that.
suzanne——my comment got eaten again……..i post it, and it doesn’t appear……..
Thanks for all the suggestions for sunburn treatment. Already doctored up and feeling a little better. I’m just a little annoyed since I have been spending a lot of time outdoors and am already tanning (I am moderately dark complected anyway), but still burned, despite sunblock.
Subway Serenade @ 154
What was HE in jail for?
One kid I know of who has said he was bisexual also got tons of phone calls from girls when he just was not mature enough to handle that, or so I think. So the “I’m bi” might be just a signal to leave him the hell alone for awhile.
Petrol Cello-
Buffalo show is the 7th at the Canal Street Festival. That might be a free show, I am not sure….
Hmm; God and paris who would have thunk it.
Margot @ 171
At what age do most people really really know what they are?
Suzanne @ 155
Too bad they don’t. Think of all the tanning booths that would be out of business and the dermos who would be poorer due to the reduction in skin cancer treatments. ;-(
what a nice thing to notice – ole grit’s nasty book is now discounted at Amazon – selling for $4.95. All of the reviews on the first page, except one, are very negative. Nice to see that reading cognition is improving in America. :0
The Suzanne Rule of Stupid Questions: The only stupid question is the one unasked.
Cassie, there are gay and bi people in every culture, every religion, every ethnic group.
In ancient times, many gays were the healers, the person who was part spirit and part human.
dmac @ 168
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dmac @ 156
Man, that Indy show was HOT. It worked out really well for us.
My hands are in good health right now. No blisters, no splits, no bleeding. It’s all good.
SnarKassandra @ 164
Good question!! My guess is a natural variation of humans..2 1/2 to 5% of all human populations. The expression is a variable of culture. (I am not an anthro-sociologist)
suzanne=====
it posted…….am sleepy……woke up and decided to have a late nite swim…….fuzzy headed…..watchin’ buffy season five that my best friend left for me……
argosfalcon @ 96
argosfalcon @ 96
hey argos,
see my note to you on the previous thread at 164.
patrick @ 172
Please e-mail me the schedule, if you can.
as a antro I wanted to know about your source material, yes I really am that lazy.
dmac @ 180
never minding (best emily latillo voice)
Petrocelli @ 182
Sure. I have the next two days off in Newburgh, so I will find out the details and mail them to you!
As to the natural variation of traits like sexual orientation the do have a questionable date base for now.
Hard for people to get excited about fireworks in a land where it doesn’t get dark until August, so they’re really LOUD here, rather than pretty….
landofthefree @ 176
The reviews are such fun. Like the one guy who writes something like “Hey, how come the two Jewish women on your book cover have such big noses, Kate? Or, “Only read this book if you’ve got anti-nausea medication handy. I’ve been barfing for over an hour. If the vomiting continues, I may have to sue.”
TRex @ 166
Damn!
I been talking with my Popand missed it!
HRRRRRM.
SnarKassandra @ 136
I think he just missed the door and hit the jam. Or tried to pick up Barney when he shouldn’t have.
dmac @ 180
Did you get the book yet?
Ed*ard Teller @ 188
How was your afternoon playing?
Loo Hoo. @ 190
a poorly aimed poke in the eye with a sharp stick?
Loo Hoo. @ 190
The result of the “drunk staggers”
Cassie – yes, and no. there are gay, lesbian and bisexual people in every culture, but some cultures are far more restrictive in acknowledging it publically. For example, in many cultures (including some strongly religious cultures), people rarely admit they are homosexual. They just stay in the closet.
I imagine that must be odd to understand in the world you’ve been growing up in. For older folks like many of us here, it doesn’t seem odd. After all, in the 80s and early 90s, the vast majority of homosexual highschoolers stayed in the closet. I personally did not know one person who was out, even though it ends up that several of my friends in my liberal, openminded crowd were just too afraid to come out.
Steve @ 194
patrick at 178-”Man, that Indy show was HOT. It worked out really well for us.
My hands are in good health right now. No blisters, no splits, no bleeding. It’s all good.”
good……make sure to get the love spit love cd. everyone should have a copy……i play it all of the time, is on the computer……..and please pass my 156 onto mr. richard…….is the truth, was nothing like it….on the way home to a friend’s house that night, we walked, i collected leaves, it was october, perfect night…..next day i ironed them in wax paper and used them in art projects for a year or two……..always remembered that night everytime i used one…..it was a magical night…..in my top twenty.
glad you are healed……i used to date a drummer, so have an idea of what you were doing……
wow, i hope you are having a blast!
Yes.
Oh, yes.
Yes, even there. Ted Haggard, hello?
They struggle. And often live wretched lives of fear and persecution. In Iran, they hang you for having homosexual sex.
But even people who live in cultures like that find a way to survive. The Italian slang word for “faggot” is finnochio, which is a plant from the licorice family that pops up like a weed, everywhere. Anywhere that plants can grow in Italy, a stalk or two of finocchio is bound to grow the moment your back is turned.
I don’t know if the person who coined the term meant to say that gay people are unstoppable and ubiquitous, but that was the meaning I took away from it.
TRex @ 150
Surely you meant green-scaled, red-headed…
SnarKassandra @ 164
Speaking as the house cultural anthropologist, I can say that homosexuality exists in pretty much every culture. Attitudes towards homosexuality (and bisexuality) vary widely, but do not seem to be correlated to the incidence of homosexuality. There are societies, such as Iran and Afghanistan, where it is strongly disapproved, but common. There are also a number of societies where it is accepted, but uncommon. There are a number of societies where homosexual activity (especially among men) is at least situationally normal (Classical Greece, some groups in Paupua New Guinea, and a number of African societies).
The available evidence suggests the the basic “natural” human sexuality is not particularly strongly directed and varies widely among individuals. This is consistent with what has been observed in other primates (Wilcomb Washburne once observed that “primate sexuality is not merely promiscuous, it is positively indiscriminate.”). The human baseline seems to be best described as “pansexuality” (if it feels good, do it), but individuals vary in terms of their preferences.
Hope this helps.
I know a gravity storm, a DARPA experiment gone bad?
Subway Serenade @ 154
I didn’t realize She was missing.
Suzanne @ 165
I didn’t know he was missing.
ccmask @ 143
HA! Only $4.99. Wonderful review too.
SnarKassandra @ 164
There are gays and lesbians in every culture, many of them have to hide their sexual orientation or risk being outcasts or killed.
Often times, a gay couple will make an arrangement with a lesbian couple to marry each other partners to appear ‘normal’.
Then they share a home or live close by, so they can meet their partners regularly.
Some of them even have kids to keep the image of ‘normalcy’.
Am I too late?
argosfalcon @ 202
is there a DARPA experiment that goes well?
patrick @ 185
Thanks bro … hope those callouses are better !
I_M_bobo @ 197
One of my favourite comedians is a redhead. They call him the Ginger Ninja.
CCMASK!!!!!!!!
yes, got it yesterday!!!!!!!
hadn’t emailed you yet! have had out of town company, best friend, i’m exhaused, the good kind, just getting back in my groove.
Thank You!!!!!!!
will let you know how atrocious it is!
As the to U.S. Congress. I have comments. But they could land me in jail.
Other Pat @ 203
… except from Republican hearts.
Petrocelli @ 205
It is really twisted that they have to do that.
Bustednuckles @ 147
Never saw her, but EWWWW!
Ed*ard – how were the gigs? Play enough Sousa today? :)
I took the week off of gigs. On my way to a party, I was listening to our local classical station, and burst out laughing when they played Gould’s “American Salute”. I laughed because this must be the first July in more than a decade that I have not played that tune.
Patrick – have fun on the road, and stay healthy.
Suzanne, Very nice to meet you.
Hiya Balrog. How is your baby?
All hail to the Pardoner in Chief! Or is that Commutater in Chief? Sometimes I just get so confused.
dmac @ 212
Enjoy. Better you than me :))
Elliott @ 192
I got to the place where we play – a big deck outside an historic building turned into a coffee house – and the rain stopped. We started out with less people than usual, ’cause they moved the parade time up an hour without letting our band know until Monday. We eventually had over 30 people, and played well. The last three numbers – Ballad of the Green Berets, The Thunderer and Stars and Stripes Forever went great, with Stars and Stripes finishing as the parade’s head was 100 feet from the reviewing stand.
landofthefree @ 195
Well for many thousands of years many folks did hold sexual orientation as a disability, to healing or leadership. But the background cultural template has a heavy filter. Now thats a long discussion like the biological component.
Hey Busted. Nice to see ya here with the night shift :)
Balrog: too late for what?
D0n Camillo @ 220
Commuter in chief. Commuting Republicans, one friend at a time.
landofthefree @ 113
It’s changed a lot from even in the early 90s, where being bi was ostracized a bit. I grew up about an hour north of Detroit myself. Which was the time when i was in high school. I’m glad to see things changing though.
SnarKassandra @ 174
Cassie, you are wise beyond your years … I get that question all the time from people twice or thrice your age, but never from teens.
There is no age as such, it really depends on how well you are able to learn through your own experience or from those around you … your ability to gain insights/wisdom does not depend on your age.
One question I get asked a lot, and I think it may be the question you’re indirectly asking, is “How will I find my soulmate?”
My answer is always, “First find your soul … then you will find your soulmate!”
DrDick @ 169
my 2 cents: the sun block needs to be from this year and i use zinc oxide cream where i can’t afford a burn, like my nose. i forget the numbers, but the sunblock is some pretty high number.
Suzanne @ 222
Aw, I dunno. Just seems like I always get here long after the fun starts. Dumb kids.
The first band member to get sick went down today. He’s sleeping hard in his bunk. I plan to spend the next two days sleeping a lot and getting a little sun by the pool at the hotel.
I just don’t know what to do with free time. TRex knows what a workaholic I am. Down time for me is just WEIRD. I bought a magazine today knowing that I would actually have time to READ it…
aliasofwestgate @ 224
That’s not far from where this school is (a little closer to the city, in the burbs). Amazing to see how much change can happen in just a short time, even in the same communities, huh?
SnarKassandra @ 164
DrDick @ 200
If you go back in history to the “Golden Age of Islam”, when Islam produced many, many scholars, homosexuality was widespread, boys were sold in the slave markets for more than girls, and no one thought much about it. See how much progress they, and we, have made?
Boy, that sure didn’t stop me. I was fourteen years old, stomping around in rhinestones and combat boots with a t-shirt that said, “HOW DARE YOU ASSUME THAT I AM HETEROSEXUAL!”
My poor mom nearly went apoplectic worrying about me. Funny, I never once got queer-bashed. I was so smart-mouthed and viciously on-target with my insults that the bullies often fled with their tails tucked.
That and my twin brother pounded a couple of guys’ faces into the asphalt after school. After that, there was sort of an invisible protective cordon around me all the time.
“Hey, isn’t that guy gay?”
“Yeah, but don’t fuck with him. Him and his brother are both fuckin’ crazy. They’re punk rock. They’re all wild and in bands and shit.”
“Well, let’s kick his ass!”
“No, man, his brother might be around here somewhere. He comes out of nowhere. You’re yelling and shit and the next thing you know, you’re on the ground with his asshole brother grinding his knee into the back of your head. It ain’t cool.”
“Well, I’m gonna fuck with him, HEY FAGGOT, WHERE’S YOUR FUCKING DRESS, YOU FAGGOT?”
TRex: “Your bitch of a father stole it from me and won’t give it back! He says it flatters his figure better than your fat mother’s girdle! Oh, and my brother is standing right behind you.”
“OOF!! OW!! OH, FUCK!! OWWWWWWW!!”
(This moment from my past brought to you by Chips Ahoy cookies and Illy coffee.)
greenwarrior @ 226
Last year’s isn’t good? Even the spray on kind?
George Bush is a career criminal. It’s possible the whole Bush family is.
TRex @ 231
The best defense is a good offense, my daddy always said.
ccmask @ 223
I was thinking of commuter, but then that made me think of public transport which isn’t very Republican.
TRex or TSF (or anyone else with insights on the matter) could get really stinkin’ rich by writing a book of advice for the dads of teenage boys who think they might be gay. I’m livin’ this right now, and I have no fucking clue how to deal with it.
TRex @ 231
Here they wouldn’t beat you up for being gay. But the christo-stupid kids would put stupid fliers in your locker.
Ed*ard Teller @ 220
Can’t get enough of that song.
Those brave men (duh-du-luh duh-du-luh)
who jump and die. (duh-du-luh duh-du-luh)
Sunburn and latitude along with the alinement of the planet to the sun, atmospheric chemistry, and genetic background. I know STFU
SnarKassandra @ 213
What is even more twisted is that deep within, many of them hold negative feelings about themselves for being gay.
I have a tough time getting them to release those negative thoughts, the conditioning is so deep.
Way to go
Trex, Ya got more than one brother,or is that the one that gave me the recipe for a big mess of brown beans?
Yeah, Im lookin’ at you Patrick. ; )
and cassie-
every single gay/lesbian friend i know, or have known, always knew they were……from the get-go…….just as i have always known i was a heterosexual female. my step-sister did have a boyfriend in the eighth grade, but back then it was just holding hands…..mid-seventies……..i don’t know one person who didn’t know they were gay from the beginning. and i have been blessed with having many friends and family in my life who are gay/lesbian. the two best of the bunch gone from aids.
i have heard of people who had the struggle of what they are, but i haven’t personnaly known anyone.
burnspbesq @ 236
Love unconditionally.
Accept unconditionally.
Support unconditionally.
TRex @ 231
Ah…. good times!
Twin sense…. I always seemed to know when TRex needed a little assistance from his brawler brother.
TRex – 707!
Wow, there was no one in my school with the courage you had. Great for you – totally comfortable in yourself at such an age when most teenagers are completely uncomfortable in their own skin! And it sounds like we’re from around the same era, you being all punk rock & stuff ;)
Oh yeah, probably good you had that brother around, too.
And Illy coffee rocks.
TRex @ 231
landofthefree @ 195
Agree, but when they did come out, nobody was in the least surprised. I can pick out the kids in elementary school who are future gay/lesbian high schoolers. Not always, but often.
Suzanne @ 243
And teach them more about condoms than they learn in school.
Ed*ard Teller @ 221
ooo nice finish! It must have felt good to play today.
Stars and Stripes is a special fav of mine from kidhood.
burnspbesq @ 236
While I am not an expert on this, I think the key for this (or any identity issue) is simply to support your son and let him know he is loved, honored, and respected regardless of his sexuality. TRex, TSF and others can probably give you more detailed assistance, but from what I have heard from my gay friends, this seems to be the most important.
Ohhhh, but I would have such fun leaving things in THEIR lockers.
And then calling the principal.
“They’re not Christians! They’re on drugs! He’s got drugs in his locker right now! I heard him tell somebody!”
Petrocelli @ 239
As Howie Klein would point out; just look at the five Republican Senators who are in the closet.
SnarKassandra @ 248
is that not the way all children should be raised?
According to Kate O’Bierne OJ Simpson is innocent because he didn’t confess.
Looks like she’s gonna be a professor at Regent U. in her post pundit retirement.
-GSD
Oh TRex, LOL
You are too much.;)
My friend Danny had the locker next to me in junior high.
He had a mirror in his locker, had hairspray, the little rat-tail comb so he could tease his hair, and no one said a word. He was just Danny. And this was in 1966.
ccmask @ 224
I’m going to remember that one, ccmask
I have to say good night and good bye. I am leaving tomorrow to go to Corpus with my friend and her family and I won’t be back until Sat night or Sunday. I am bringing the laptop, but on my last vacation the hotel didn’t have free internet so I don’t know.
But if I do come here, I will introduce you all to my friend who is Hazel on line but has a different real name.
Bye
GSD @ 254
Is that retirement coming soon before her chin completely disappears?
Petrocelli @ 205
That’s been far more common than the general public is aware of at the Miltary Academies – West Point and Annapolis – for a long, long time. Ivy league girls, military guys. One of the great American closet traditions.
TRex at 199 – a very good answer. Actually lots of them here tonight.
GSD!
I need to move my drink, You are always good for a LOL.
It’s so funny being out on the road with the Psychedelic Furs and to be having this conversation tonight, because THAT’S what we were listening to back in the day, and it seemed so radical and cutting edge. So funny to be treated by a lot of audiences as a nostalgia act now…
We played “President Gas” as an encore tonight. Funny how that song never seems to lose its relevance…
Balrog @ 206
Heck no! Happy 4th! Wee is about 2 months now, no?
I just stopped in to wish everyone a Happy 4th and I get a bonus with some jurassic snark on the gritty old bitty and I get to say hi to TRex and gang while here.
Is Kate O’Bierne gay? I say this because she publicly hates women (Carrie Bradshaw, Jane Fonda, HRC).
dmac @ 242
Generally, my experience is the same, though many were initially in denial (I was an adolescent in the 60s). Likewise, many bisexuals I have known only gradually realized their sexual identies (probably because they were conditioned to think in either/or terms).
ccmask @ 264
hmm
SnarKassandra @ 258
Bye Cassie, have fun!
Bye Cassie – have a great trip!
I should split, too. I have a very hungry kitty crawling all over my lap, licking my face, and sitting on my hands while I try to type.
Please think good thoughts for Mr. LOTF tomorrow – he has a big job interview. Good vibes are much appreciated!
Nite, all.
Night Cassie. Enjoy your trip.
burnspbesq @ 236
One day at a time.
Tell him you love him and that you’re proud of him and that he can always tell you the truth.
Do everything you can to keep him beyond the reach of bad men, just like you would with a daughter or like you’d keep predatory women away from your son. I do believe that there are more bad men in the world than women.
Tell him that drugs are dangerous and always cost more than you pay the drug dealer.
Aaaaaand encourage him to be true to himself and not let anybody, gay or straight, tell him what’s best for him, because only he will know that.
Sounds like you’re off to a great start, though, being willing to acknowledge and support your son’s truth.
Elliott @ 207
Yeah. It’s called the internet. But Coultergeist claims it’s all Gore’s fault.
patrick @ 261
Very true. And I have a gig with Pink Floyd coming up soon… wow, is it 1983 again?
burnspbesq @ 236
Sexual orientation notwithstanding, would you treat your son any differently?
The problem is having different rules for raising sons than for raising daughters, or straight children and gay children … it complicates parenting way more than it needs to be.
As a father (and a darn good one, many would agree) I treat all kids with the same respect, irrespective of caste, creed or orientation.
SnarKassandra @ 248
I’m all over all of that. That’s the easy part. It’s questions like “how do you know when someone is really interested in you vs. just playing you?” that I have no experience base to deal with — unless data gathered in a lifetime of dealing with women (and I have a lot of those data, having married pretty late) is equally useful in explaining gay men.
Running out for some smokes, gang. Back in a bit.
The Bush/Coulter Republican Right(BCRR) have devolved into parodies of humans.
The intellectual ju-jitsu that they now engage in is really turning them feeble. They believe their bullshit.
-GSD
Happy 4th from Arizona! I hear that Bush was in West Virginia giving a pep talk to the WVANG folks. I am sure they appreciated that. I keep wondering what else he can do to fuck up the week.
The NYT’s editorial is commenting on the SCOTUS: Justice Denied
SnarKassandra @ 232
IANASBE (sunblock expert), so i should have said that that i was repeating something i’d heard. so, it might be that it’s important.
burnspbesq at 236 says”TRex or TSF (or anyone else with insights on the matter) could get really stinkin’ rich by writing a book of advice for the dads of teenage boys who think they might be gay. I’m livin’ this right now, and I have no fucking clue how to deal with it.”
this may sound trite, but love him, support him, teach him about what a HEALTHY relationship is, what love is…how to treat someone, how someone should treat you…..in other words, how to be a fine human being….etc…..
the same as if you were talking to him about girls……..just be his dad, and let him know you struggle with it, because he is, too. one of a child’s greatest fears is that your parent won’t love you anymore because of choices you make…..just show him you love him……he’s your son.
patrick @ 244
Identical or fraternal?
Elliott @ 249
Leonard Bernstein said he’d trade all the music he’d written to have composed the piccolo part to the Stars and Stripes Forever Trio. Liar.
Our piccolo player is the nicest guy in the world, except he’s a hardened Christofascist. He did very well today. The version of Ballad of the Green Berets we play is my arrangement. It’s a tricky piece, ’cause it isn’t really a march. It was written as a country-western ballad, but people expect a martial flavor to it.
Oh, yeah – Leonard Bernstein and Felicia Montealegre – an example of the gay guy/lesbian gal closet marriage. Until he came out…
GordonM @ 271
So if a gravity well forms at Bushes feet does Colter maker any noise if she falls in the forest (not covered by Fox). Does she make any sound?
Loo Hoo. @ 280
Identical!
Petrocelli @ 240
would you be a therapist?
that if he falls, and she reports otherwise.
TRex @ 150
Good advice, TRex! I prefer Noxema in step 3! Interestingly, I’ve seen some burnt tourists, after the first day! They spend the rest of their Hawaiian vacation in sheer agony!!! ;-)
The Bush/Coulter Republican Party is revealing their final plan for the takeover of America.
-GSD
I have a treat! Meet my Mom.
Hi all — I agree with MOSt OF WHAT MY FINE SON SAYS! What does that tell you??? lol
Bustednuckles @ 288
well hi Mom yours not mine but you get the idea.
burnspbesq @ 274
I think that this is really the same, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. It is about respect and caring and honesty. Unfortunately, a lot of it you just have to learn from bitter experience. But as TRex said, you still try to protect them from the users and abusers and to help them figure out who the bad ones are.
burnspbesq @ 274
From my experience, the same rules apply, so your knowledge in this matter will be of use in advising your son.
See my comment @ 225 … most people have this question, “How will I find my soulmate?”
My answer is, “First find your soul … then you will find your soulmate!”
Well, I think I will head to bed. Take care all and enjoy the snark.
Bustednuckles @ 288
Hello mother knuckles, welcome to the sunny side… your life is about to change so pop some corn and fasten your seat belt. I am sure you must agree with son knuckles or he would have never brought you this far. *s*
greenwarrior @ 284
I am a yoga/meditation teacher.
Me too Dr Dick. Good night all. Happy 5th
Bustednuckles @ 288
Welcome mother BK! Is your son behaving?
Pitching out to the left, and dropping out of formation.
Bustednuckles @ 288
What a wholesome family blog.
;>)
DrDick @ 292
‘nite DrD !
Bustednuckles @ 288
Hi Busted’s Mom. Welcome to the Lake.
Loo Hoo. @ 295
… he says your Apple Pie is not as good as Aunt Mabel’s, and we’d like to see if he’s right … *g*
… reaching for the Vanilla Ice Cream …
ET, Ballad of the Green Beret is one of the patriotic songs I teach the 5th graders. They love it. After the flag salute they choose a patriotic song, and 2 out of 5 times it’s the ballad. They love the drumming on the desk with their pencil parts!
ccmask @ 297
G’nite ccmask !
I leave you with this from the president.
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnb…..m/&fg=
Mom say’s Hi All Y’all.
( She NEVER talks like that.)
Heh. I am such a bad influence.
burnspbesq @ 274
Damn, the things I miss while I’m doing my kabobs and assorted grillables! I miss TRex venting and the enigmas posed by dealing with one’s offspring preference for like individuals! I am personally experienced in my eldest Daughter’s preferences! She’s well adjusted and on her way! But, I certainly empathize with ya!!! 8-)
CTuttle @ 306
You know how to make Kabobs?
Dude, I’m so there for the Marley LoveFest !!! *g*
Blergh, I need to come to my folks more often.
They are watching supreme asshole ORielly with the walking C word Coulter.
Education in progress here.
I got called back by an IM on well who cares,dropped in and have to ask Loo Hoo, if your kids like the song about the teams?
Loo Hoo. @ 302
I was expecting it would come back into popularity after the Special Forces’ role in Afghanistan was so important, but it didn’t.
Hi, Mother Knuckles! Welcome to the Late Nite Lake!
Petrocelli @ 307
You better be! Did I mention I’m trained in explosives? *g*
Has anyone coined the term Republican Justice yet?
-GSD
Hello firepups, stopping by for a quick dip and to say happy 4th!
wow, a red-headed dinosaur…it’s great to be younger than your SPF. (forget where I heard that).
I made my own patriotic CD:
Born in the USA
Keep on Rocking in a Free World
Living in the USA
Summertime Blues
Trouble in River City
I Pledge Allegiance to the Band
Pink Houses
Illegal Alien
We Don’t Get Fooled Again
I wanted The Tubes I’m Proud to be an American, but iTunes doesn’t offer it! Only White Punks on Dope. Hmmm. That could be patriotic in some neighborhoods…
CTuttle @ 312
Beano will help ya out with that little problem, CT.
Thanks for the howdy’s to my Mom.
Makes me feel like I am part of the clan.
CANNONBALL!!!!!!
SPLOOOOSH!
Thanks for all the wisdom, y’all.
Alas, I have to work tomorrow — and the day starts early, with a bunch of calls to the east coast. So I’m out. Happy Fourth, everyone
Well yes the teams are, but like all things, no one knows whats up like so many things.
Bustednuckles @ 308
Print out O’Reilly’s sexual harrasment case transcripts at TheSmokingGun.com, let ‘em read that and see if they look at Dildo Bill as a “fatherly man with wise words” after a look into that window if Bills soul.
-GSD
What songs about the teams, argo?
Are there women in the Green Beret now? I have to adjust the words a bit on some of the patriotic songs, ET. Like Guthrie’s This Land is Your Land, we sing from blue Hawaii to the New York islands, from Alaska’s tundra to the gulf stream waters…
Bustednuckles @ 316
Nice of you to bring your Mom but now you’ve gotten her all wet. :)
GSD @ 313
You just did!
CTuttle @ 312
Was this Your Ordnance Instructor?!!
Suzanne @ 315
What problem? ;-)
do-si-do @ 314
You could always settle for “What do you want from Life”.
Or a baby’s arm holding an apple.
Bustednuckles @ 309
Hey Busted and a big howdy to your mom. in the spirit of competitive victimhood, my folks lerve Limbaugh. it’s true. if anyone knows the antidote for that kind of burn, please let me know.
GSD @ 313
I’ve seen Republican Just-Us.
TRex @ 311
You are back with the Marlboro Reds! You are a better person than I was as a smoker; I would have smoked all of the butts in the ash tray and then looked through the trash and finally in the car ash trays before going out for a new carton.
Petrocelli @ 323
How’d you guess??? ;-)
Haven’t read all the comments, but, hopefully, someone pointed out the 60 grit is wrong — Clinton never “confessed to perjury”.
Bustednuckles @ 316
We’re hoping she would tell us embarrassing stories about your youth, BK !!!
GSD @ 313
May I?
… Republican Ju$tice
;>)
TRex upstairs pups
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..m/#respond
Suzanne @ 315
Zing !!!
She got ya good, CT !!! *g*
Late Late Nite is upstairs
Well there are/were songs recorded by the Smithsonian during the 80’s, as a living history project. but there is one about FAC’S that is a favorite.
My folks are Dems. I asked them why they watch this s*it and they said it is to get a different view.
OK Me? I am going to have a shot. Using Pops laptop, I gotta get one of these things.And Coulter gives me a rash.
Maggie @ 330
If you cooperate that is when the hammer of justice should come down hard. If you lie and tamper with the case you should be rewarded for obstructing justice.
Kate O’s brain is a Kool-Aid pickle by now.
-GSD
darkblack @ 332
Take it away.
-GSD
think of the scenario: Bush gets word Libby plans to tell everything if he doesn’t get a pardon. The Dick calls him and says, we gotta do this or he is going to tell how you watched the waterboarding on closed circuit tv with a bulge in your pants…so Bush says, ya what the hell then heads for the drinks cart shoving everybody else aside…he swills down several which he drinks too fast because he doesn’t want anyone to tell him to stop before he gets to oblivion…then he heads down the stairs and falls on his face. Next morning he has to face the cameras and commute the sentence. The look on his face is not his usual “this is what I say and I’m the decider”. There is a V above his nose and he looks as if mommy forced him out there to take his medicine.
do-si-do @ 314
Whenever I think of America’s potential and the Constitution, and the innate nature in all of us, This gentleman springs to mind.
Loo Hoo. @ 302
Romanticizing giving up your life for your country. It’s an attractive human foible for predatory governments to prey on. I’d rather do with “This Land is Your Land”.
Are their women in the teams I really don’t know, but my guess is sadly no. But attached yes, so that seals and special ops have (well can’t or wont say) damn. Not my place to say.
burnspbesq @ 236
Consider what part of his budding sexuality you have trouble ‘dealing’ with? Is it your disappointment that he might not be straight? That you might not get grandchildren? That you will have to explain it to someone? If so, those are about you, not him. Otherwise, if he’s out of the closet, you deal with it like you would with a straight teen (however that may be). If he’s NOT out, then let him know as tactfully and as subtlely as possible that it wouldn’t make a difference to you. Hopefully that’s true.
Trex you need to pull your head out of the liberal “kool aid” long enough to examine Matthews fairly. You obviously do not watch Matthews often. He has been asking hard driving questions of the right wing radicals!
While I do not agree with all of his questions and his fixation on what the Clintons do. He is one of the only MSMers to challenge the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots the last four years. He learned something from the “groupthink” that he was infected with before the invasion.
There is kool aid on all sides
Tweety’s difficulties with Clinton were never legal, but psychological. The obstruction charge in the impeachment procedures never made any sense. Perjury was never convincingly argued for, in part because Clinton immediately recognized the perjury trap they had constructed for him, and very carefully and methodically slipped through it, by lawyerly evasion. You have to read what the lawyers defined as “sex.” What he said was not forthcoming, but not untrue. They knew that, and they took the grand jury deposition, and couldn’t catch him there, either. He was later fined, and the case reinstated, because he had not been fully forthcoming, but the trial judge didn’t find him guilty of perjury. Remember, it was a case that had been dismissed, and this was not dispository evidence anyway. It was an evasion, and Bill paid big for it.
But forget that the whole thing was a setup for the rubes, and it involved probably illegal collusion between Coulter, Jonah’s mommy, and Ted Olsonl.
On the other hand, Bush named the judge, named the prosecutor, and both were Republican and absolutely straight arrows.
Kathleen—
While I agree that Matthews is going after the wingers much harder lately, I think this point could be made without insults directed at the poster.
Can we disagree about facts without going into the personal stuff?
In the U.S. it is more important to be held accountable for lying under oath about a blow job than for being held accountable for perjury and obstruction of justice in regard to the investigation of the outing of a CIA undercover agent whose job it was to follow the path and sales of WMD’s (remember just what the Bush administration said they were after in Iraq).
I think Bush and Cheney are granting Osama Bin Laden his wish to witness the U.S. become a “shadow of its former self”
egregious @ 347
Saying that people on the left can also drink the “kool aid” is far from “personal stuff” or an “insult”.
Matthews has been asking hard driving question far longer than “lately”
egregious @ 347
The posters here at FDL direct serious insults all of the time. It is absurd that you called my comments about the potential drinking of kool aid on all sides an insult.
DrDick @ 200
Wilcomb Washburn is wrong. Non-human Primates have a wide variety of normative sexual and mating systems. Only a few are what we would call “polysexual”…bonobos for example. In bonobos adult males may have sex with females, other males, and even infants. Adult females will have the same pattern…and younsters have sex with one another…of either sex. But there are limitations THERE as well. While all individuals are “pansexual” the females do avoid having sex with their own male offspring. And, unlike humans, one doesn’t seem to find the specialized attraction (either same sex, or heterosexual) that one finds in humans.
But bonobos are not “all Primates”…they are actually rather odd. Even their closest relative, the Common Chimp, is almost exclusively heterosexual…although males mate indiscriminately with all females IN ESTROUS (and not at other times).
Some Primate species (e.g. titi monkeys, marmosets, gibbons) are even monogamous and other adults in the group will defer mating while the alpha-partners are still of reproductive age.
It’s simply wrong to characterize Primates ass being “promiscuous” or “polysexual”, or labelling what is a very diverse group into some simple “mating type”.
The idea that Non-Human Primates being “promiscuous” (and socially disorganized) is a myth that goes back to Hobbes. Supposedly Non-humans were simply “animals that do things for pleasure” and that humans were “above that” and deferred immediate gratification for “intelligent cooperation” for longterm purposes.
But the reality is that almost no mammals illustrate the chaotic lifeways that this myth portrays. Mammal social organization and mating systems are adaptively diverse.
even Denver media ignored these Iraq Veterans Against the War in downtown Denver on the 4th
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ccmask @ 65
You sure it isn’t bird shot?