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		<title>By: Vic Anderson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799759</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stand, indeed, and counter the Bush coup Laida!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stand, indeed, and counter the Bush coup Laida!</p>
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		<title>By: bhatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799329</link>
		<dc:creator>bhatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In Austin, TX, on Saturday, there is an ImpeachAustin meeting to collect ideas, people, etc.  It was set before the recent Scooter gift.  I presume that the numbers have just jumped.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Austin, TX, on Saturday, there is an ImpeachAustin meeting to collect ideas, people, etc.  It was set before the recent Scooter gift.  I presume that the numbers have just jumped.</p>
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		<title>By: Madison Guy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799325</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rereading Sue Griffin’s classic meditation on war, &lt;i&gt;A Chorus of Stones&lt;/i&gt;, on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/07/fifth-fourth-of-july-for-us-in-iraq.html&quot;&gt; fifth Fourth of July for the U.S. in Iraq&lt;/a&gt; and thinking about impeachment. My representative in the House is Judiciary Committee member Tammy Baldwin. I’ll let her enjoy the Fourth and reflect on what the holiday is all about. Tomorrow I’m calling her office about starting the impeachment process.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rereading Sue Griffin’s classic meditation on war, <i>A Chorus of Stones</i>, on the <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/07/fifth-fourth-of-july-for-us-in-iraq.html"> fifth Fourth of July for the U.S. in Iraq</a> and thinking about impeachment. My representative in the House is Judiciary Committee member Tammy Baldwin. I’ll let her enjoy the Fourth and reflect on what the holiday is all about. Tomorrow I’m calling her office about starting the impeachment process.</p>
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		<title>By: bhatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799303</link>
		<dc:creator>bhatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here on our own Independence day, our very own George is still claiming for staying the course to victory in Iraq.  Now, I never did understand going into this war from the beginning; surely, not for oil!! And now, I do not know what victory is Iraq would even be.  A joyous British democracy, the liberties of our forefathers, were called to impose that….I am at a loss.  I did not hear the speech, so I cannot say for sure that W did not describe victory.  I think, however, he has not done so in the past.  I write among all you smart people: Please fill me in on his sense of victory.  He also called for patience and sacrifice. Now, I do not recall anything that he has sacrificed.  What does he mean by victory in Iraq?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here on our own Independence day, our very own George is still claiming for staying the course to victory in Iraq.  Now, I never did understand going into this war from the beginning; surely, not for oil!! And now, I do not know what victory is Iraq would even be.  A joyous British democracy, the liberties of our forefathers, were called to impose that….I am at a loss.  I did not hear the speech, so I cannot say for sure that W did not describe victory.  I think, however, he has not done so in the past.  I write among all you smart people: Please fill me in on his sense of victory.  He also called for patience and sacrifice. Now, I do not recall anything that he has sacrificed.  What does he mean by victory in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799111</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cynic,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You keep this up and you’re gonna have to change your name.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynic,</p>
<p>You keep this up and you’re gonna have to change your name.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799103</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy and all:&lt;br /&gt;
At least, what has come out of this extremely dark period of our history is an awareness in our young people (not just Snarkassandra, who is just great) but kids like mine, who are smart, but wouldn’t read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, or the amendments, unless there was a good reason, and wouldn’t understand what the rule of law is, and how it protects them, and just why the gang in Washington is such an UnAmerican group of thugs. In my generation, it took riots in the streets (and those kids couldn’t tell you what the Constitution said), and people like me who didn’t have their eyes opened until they stupidly went to Vietnam (I didn’t have to, and I regret what we did every moment of my waking life) and came home (I was one of the lucky few in my unit), and stood and beheld a long black wall. That’s what it took us to understand. This time around, my child, with all his faults, dug out a copy of the founding documents, went to his room, locked his door, and sat for a few hours and read them. He then came out and started asking me questions (which I couldn’t answer), and when he came to the Federalist papers, (which I had not read….and I admitted it….) he dropped the book gently on my other work and said “dad, maybe you ought to read these before the next election.”&lt;br /&gt;
And then he said something, which I have heard from some of his friends as well. “Dad, should another draft come to provide cannon fodder for Iraq or Iran, I will refuse to go. And I will refuse to go to Canada to. I will go to Jail, because I suspect that is where I will find the most patriotic Americans, the ones who feel that this is their country, and damned if they’re not going to stand and fight for it.&lt;br /&gt;
So we didn’t leave them such a useless legacy afterall.&lt;br /&gt;
And so this fourth, I feel good. I feel good because we have (in a way, managed to impress on our future leaders (snarkcassie and her friends, and my son and his friends) that this is a country worth fighting for, and those old papers locked up in the Library of Congress aren’t just “stuff that some old guys did in 1776.” They are real, they live, and if we don’t fight for them, we will sooner lose everything we stand for.&lt;br /&gt;
Happy Fourth&lt;br /&gt;
RES&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy and all:<br />
At least, what has come out of this extremely dark period of our history is an awareness in our young people (not just Snarkassandra, who is just great) but kids like mine, who are smart, but wouldn’t read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, or the amendments, unless there was a good reason, and wouldn’t understand what the rule of law is, and how it protects them, and just why the gang in Washington is such an UnAmerican group of thugs. In my generation, it took riots in the streets (and those kids couldn’t tell you what the Constitution said), and people like me who didn’t have their eyes opened until they stupidly went to Vietnam (I didn’t have to, and I regret what we did every moment of my waking life) and came home (I was one of the lucky few in my unit), and stood and beheld a long black wall. That’s what it took us to understand. This time around, my child, with all his faults, dug out a copy of the founding documents, went to his room, locked his door, and sat for a few hours and read them. He then came out and started asking me questions (which I couldn’t answer), and when he came to the Federalist papers, (which I had not read….and I admitted it….) he dropped the book gently on my other work and said “dad, maybe you ought to read these before the next election.”<br />
And then he said something, which I have heard from some of his friends as well. “Dad, should another draft come to provide cannon fodder for Iraq or Iran, I will refuse to go. And I will refuse to go to Canada to. I will go to Jail, because I suspect that is where I will find the most patriotic Americans, the ones who feel that this is their country, and damned if they’re not going to stand and fight for it.<br />
So we didn’t leave them such a useless legacy afterall.<br />
And so this fourth, I feel good. I feel good because we have (in a way, managed to impress on our future leaders (snarkcassie and her friends, and my son and his friends) that this is a country worth fighting for, and those old papers locked up in the Library of Congress aren’t just “stuff that some old guys did in 1776.” They are real, they live, and if we don’t fight for them, we will sooner lose everything we stand for.<br />
Happy Fourth<br />
RES</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799096</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-798820&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;No Blood for Hubris @ 32&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If, as Scooter wrote to Judy Miller, the aspens turn in clusters — for they are linked by their roots — does it not follow that once we start chopping them down their roots, one by one, eventually we’ll finish them all off?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes. You remember the old adage, “spare the ax and spoil the aspen”!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, that’s why the bush decided to stop all that ax whacking on poor old traitor Scooter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-798820"><em>No Blood for Hubris @ 32</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>If, as Scooter wrote to Judy Miller, the aspens turn in clusters — for they are linked by their roots — does it not follow that once we start chopping them down their roots, one by one, eventually we’ll finish them all off?</p>
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<p>Yes. You remember the old adage, “spare the ax and spoil the aspen”!</p>
<p>Of course, that’s why the bush decided to stop all that ax whacking on poor old traitor Scooter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799094</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great essay, Redd. We must have been thinking along the same lines today. Sorry to blogwhore, but:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
So, on this Independence Day, I’m going to give you some of the best advice you’ve ever read about politics. It requires effort. You have to learn things. You have to check out what politicians say, and you have to check out what people who say things about those politicians are saying. No one speaks the truth all the time, even those of us who try. Sometimes, we’re wrong. Find out what the facts are, and then figure out who knows what the facts really are and how to interpret them.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cujo359.blogspot.com/2007/07/price-of-freedom.html&quot;&gt;http://cujo359.blogspot.com/20.....eedom.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given what’s been going on lately, and how few people seem to know, it’s a natural reaction.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay, Redd. We must have been thinking along the same lines today. Sorry to blogwhore, but:</p>
<blockquote><p>
So, on this Independence Day, I’m going to give you some of the best advice you’ve ever read about politics. It requires effort. You have to learn things. You have to check out what politicians say, and you have to check out what people who say things about those politicians are saying. No one speaks the truth all the time, even those of us who try. Sometimes, we’re wrong. Find out what the facts are, and then figure out who knows what the facts really are and how to interpret them.
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<p><a href="http://cujo359.blogspot.com/2007/07/price-of-freedom.html">http://cujo359.blogspot.com/20&#8230;..eedom.html</a></p>
<p>Given what’s been going on lately, and how few people seem to know, it’s a natural reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Hare</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799077</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure the Government can be trusted with secrets…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmm… So I’d like access to all the secrets the government is keeping from us. Um…as I can’t read that fast, how about on the agency’s web site..?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.”</p>
<p>I’m not sure the Government can be trusted with secrets…</p>
<p>Hmmm… So I’d like access to all the secrets the government is keeping from us. Um…as I can’t read that fast, how about on the agency’s web site..?</p>
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		<title>By: nogo war</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/04/i-stand-for-liberty/#comment-799044</link>
		<dc:creator>nogo war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This years document the brave should sign..&lt;br /&gt;
Like 1776 it means&lt;br /&gt;
“Screw King George”&lt;br /&gt;
(give about 30 sec to go)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf&quot;&gt;http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This years document the brave should sign..<br />
Like 1776 it means<br />
“Screw King George”<br />
(give about 30 sec to go)<br />
<a href="http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf">http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf</a></p>
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