In case you were wondering how truly unusual it is for a President to swiftly commute the prison term of a loyal minion (via NYTimes) in an effort to continue to obstruct justice, wonder no more (via Sentencing Law blog):
On July 2, 2007, the President of the United States commuted the term of incarceration imposed on the defendant by the Court, “leaving intact and in effect the two-year term of supervised release, with all its conditions, and all other components of the sentence.” Grant of Executive Clemancy at 1. It has been brought to the Court’s attention that the United States Probation Office for the District of Columbia intends to contact the defendant imminantly to require him to begin his term of supervised release. Strictly construed, the statute authorizing the imposition of supervised release indicates that such release should occur only after the defendant has already served a term of imprisonment. 18 USC Sec. 3583(a) (stating that the defendant “[may] be placed on a term of supervised release after imprisonment”) (emphasis added). That is, despite the President’s direction that the defendant’s prison sentence be commuted and his term of supervised release remain intact…Sec. 3583 does not appear to contemplate a situation in which the defendant may be placed under supervised release without first completing a term of incarceration.
In other words, Reggie has taken the President and his bumfuzzled legal advisors to the statutory woodshed for their sloppy reading of the law. And this President, who has grown so used to doing as he pleases without anyone questioning his authority, has just been given a small lesson in “strict construction” by a conservative jurist who holds the rule of law to actually mean something beyond an inconvience that the President can disregard at will.
It is the footnote on page two of the opinion that really brings this home:
If either party believes that it would be helpful to solicit clarification from the White House regarding the President’s position on the proper interpretation of Sec. 3583 in light of his Grant of Executive Clemancy, they are encouraged to do so.
Shorter Judge Walton: clean up your own damned mess, George, because I’m not covering for you.
I do think that this from BOP Watch from Howard Keiffer (via TalkLeft) is a viable argument: that Libby’s prison sentence began, arguably, the day he was booked into the federal prison system and given his inmate number and booking procedures, including being fingerprinted, because that gets credited as a day of time served in the prison system recordkeeping. I’d say this is certainly an argument I’d be making if I were a government attorney working my holiday on a legal brief, anyway.
For more on potential collateral damage from the commutation of the Libby prison term and the presidential declaration that the sentencing guidelines as written were too harsh for Scooter but, hypocritically, not too harsh for any other person so sentenced, see this compilation of links from Sentencing Law blog. Jeralyn has some great analysis of this, including a good walk through of why the “excessive sentencing guidelines, but only for Scooter” argument falls so flat — do go and read this one. Here’s an excerpt:
Why? Because in his view, the sentence was too harsh. He thought the Judge calculated Libby’s guidelines at too high a level. He thought the Judge should have granted Libby a departure from the guidelines. Because he disagreed, because he is President, because Scooter Libby is in his elite circle, he threw the law out the window. He didn’t reduce the sentence to a lesser term of imprisonment. He didn’t wait for the Court of Appeals to decide if Judge Walton was right or wrong. He didn’t wait for the system to run its course. Instead, because he didn’t want Scooter Libby to spend even a single night in prison, he intervened and set Libby free.
He made this decision just weeks after he had the Attorney General send his minions to Congress to argue that every federal offense should carry a mandatory minimum sentence from which a Judge cannot depart. In other words, for every other defendant in America, Bush wants to preclude judges from exercising discretion and require them to sentence according to a mathematical formula. Libby, on the other hand, gets a free pass because the Judge didn’t exercise the discretion Bush thinks Judges in other cases ought not to have.
With that one stroke of the pen, Bush trivialized and rendered meaningless the hard work of Judge Walton, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the prosecutors and the probation officer. He told them it didn’t matter how much time they spent analyzing the facts or the law or even whether they were right or wrong. He could care less what the law held. He thought differently and that’s all that mattered.
For every other defendant, prosecutor, judge and defense lawyer around the country, his action says something more: The law doesn’t apply if the defendant has a good enough connection to the President — and only if the defendant has a connection to the President.
Finally, I think this quote from an article that Digby cites is particularly on point:
That Bush chose to make an exception for a political ally is galling to many career Justice Department prosecutors and other legal experts. Federal prosecutors said Tuesday the action would make it harder for them to persuade judges to deliver appropriate sentences.
The critics included some Republicans who said Bush’s decision did not square with an administration that had been ardently pro law-and-order. “It denigrates the significance of perjury prosecutions,” John S. Martin Jr., a former U.S. attorney and federal judge in New York, said of the commutation.
Prosecutors and federal judges nationwide are going to face a flurry of habeas petitions based on the Presidential commutation — that the sentencing guidelines are too excessive. You think the law and order types were unhappy with what the Bush Administration has done with the DOJ before, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
The one good thing that may come from this entire mess is that we have needed to have a discussion about the sentencing guidelines for a long time — that President Bush opened the door to that discussion with blatant favoritism for a political crony as a reward for his obstruction of justice is appalling. That Judge Walton is doing his part to make certain that the President and his legal toadies understand that they don’t get to construct the laws they want out of thin air, cobwebs, and Presidential edict is a good start.
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throw the book at them all!
Judge Walton, you RAWK.
I can’t wait to hear Bush’s explanation of exactly what he thought he was doing. Here’s the sixty-four thousand dollar question — will he end up pardoning Scooter anyhow sooner than later to clean up his own mess?
-S
Judge Walton! Patrick Fitzgerald!
love your colorful paraphrasings, Christy.
pwrlght @ 3
The rule of law!
-S
p.s. Good to see you, pwrlght!
Strategerie @ 2
Well Bush basically said yesterday that he would pardon Libby. I wonder why he didn’t just do it Monday. Oh right, because he is the decider and this is what he decided.
And BTW let’s just all repeat – Libby won’t personally have to pay that $250K fine – Bush. His friends have already given him the money. So it really isn’t a punishment.
Just a quick reminder about Texas:
“Bush’s only death row pardon was given to…confessed serial killer, satanist and cannibal, Henry Lee Lucas.”
Strategerie @ 5
jeff and I are gabbling.
pwrlght @ 6
You forgot that he may have trouble getting a new job. A real hardship.
This is what happens when the Oval Occupant relies on David Addington for legal advice and to draft presidential orders: he makes shit up to let Cheney do what he wants.
Excellent lawyering, Mr Addington. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Christy, for keeping the feed on this case. I love Judge Walton! What a man! That’s what I call backbone and standing up to the little twerps in power.
TexB @ 9
Oh right I forgot about that. Because I am sure that the neo con think tank job Libby currently has doesn’t pay him much. I wonder if he still got a paycheck for all those days he was a court vs. at the office.
But don’t forget when Bush gives Libby a full pardon – Libby will get his law license back. If he ever loses it because I am sure that Bush will grant the pardon the day before Libby is order to give up his license.
Bush remains consistent with the rest of his failures.
Does he really get his license back if he is pardoned?
TeddySanFran @ 10
At what point do Gonzales and Addington get dragged before the bar and lose their license. Is there a way to file a complaint in Texas for the bar to take action against Gonzales when he lied to Congress.
Jeralyn has an interesting post up.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/4/14187/26315
From Howard Keiffer:
This, IMHO, is a very simple issue. Supervised Release, by statute, follows a term of imprisonment. Probation is only applicable when the sentence does not include imprisonment. Libby, contrary to various media reports, never got (and doesn’t now have) Probation.
Libby was originally summonsed into Court (not arrested), but was still booked by the Marshals – probably immediately after entering his plea of not guilty. This is when (contrary to media reports) he was assigned his “prison number.”
Libby, just like virtually every other defendant, receives one day of jail credit for that booking. Accordingly, since Bush commuted the sentence (of imprisonment) and stated that it would expire immediately, the statute is served – his Supervised Release follows the expiration of his sentence – one day (after commutation).
This thing is much like the US Attorneys scandal, in that it demonstrates a profound disrespect for the principles that many conservatives espouse. I think it’s starting to occur to them just how little the Bush Administration has in common with them.
For my part, I’ve never liked the idea of mandatory sentencing guidelines. There are too many variables in justice. The reason there are judges and juries is so that these can be taken into account. But mandatory guidelines are just as good an idea when the VP’s buddy is sentenced as it is when the neighborhood crack dealer is. Maybe more. Whatever you can say about a crack dealer, he clearly wasn’t abusing a position of trust when he committed his offenses.
TexB @ 14
That’s what Jeffery Toobin said on CNN but then I don’t think he is the sharpest tool in the shed. Any lawyers out there – can you answer this question?
So which party will solicit clarification from the White House, do you suppose? Team USA, at whose helm the President sits, or Team Libby, led by the Obstructor-in-Chief?
Will the White House respond independently to this order, I wonder? And will Addington argue for the removal of supervised release completely, or will he argue that Libby’s served one day?
I’m beginning to really be glad Bush did this!!
I’d love to hear opinion from the appeals judges, Tatel, etal., since they got slammed for their judgment the very same day, by Obstructer-in-Chief, etal.
This dog ain’t gonna hunt.
How does the size of the fine compare with Libby’s salary and bonus the US taxpayers paid from the time he committed the offense until forced to resign? Is it even a third?
TexB @ 9
I wonder if the AEI has it in the budget. They just hired Wolfie, so maybe Scooter was a little too late. Then again, Scooter could always write for the Weekly Standard.
Scooter and Shooter, sitting in a tree
doing P-e-r-jury
First came Crime
Then Comes Pardon
By Shooter’s Tool
In the Rose Garden
“When it says Libby’s, Libby’s, Libby’s on the label, label, label, you will like it, like it, like it on your table, table, table.”
Appetizer before impeachment entree.
I heard a fascinating dot-connection on Thom Hartmann this morning. Maybe you erudite people have discussed this already, and if so, my apologies.
On Januardy 18, 2007 Ted Wells approached juror number three during voir dire, with questions about whether bias towards Dick Cheney and the War in Iraq would influence her ability to impartially consider Cheney’s testimony.
Wells went on to say that there WOULD be a powerful rebuttal to Cheney’s testimony and asked again whether this would influence her nuetrality in considering Cheney’s testimony. Sounds like a shot across Cheney’s bow to me.
From that point on, there was essentially no defense offered on behalf of Libby. No more talk about calling in Cheney as a witness — he appeared to be taking one for the team.
I sure wish we could get to the communication between Team Cheney and Team Libby right around January 18th, especially in light of yesterday’s commutation.
presque vu @ 21
And how much did we the taxpayers pay for the trial?
presque vu @ 21
I believe a senior aide to the President / VP makes $165K a year.
I can’t see how anyone can have respect for the rule of law after this.
So who’s to blame if people don’t follow the law? What’s the law, anyway, if it can be so carelessly tossed aside?
If you don’t have a patron, you better band together and have a gang. That is where this leads. Laws must apply equally to everyone—or no one.
Steve at 16 — Yes, I linked that in the post above. I think it’s a compelling argument on teh government’s end of things. And Team Libby is in teh unenviable position of arguing either (a) their client ought to get supervised release as the President suggest, whatever the statute says, and thus risk revocation of release and a stint in prison if he screws up or (b) arguing that the President royally screwed up and that the statute ought to be strictly construed and that he should spend no time under supervised release as a result of the Presidential screw-up.
Margot @ 27
The rule of law is only for us peons.
TeddySanFran @ 10
I smell Harriet Meiers perfume all over this to tell you the truth. Maybe bush was trying to do this on his own and not under the watchful eye of Cheney & company.
I can just see dick telling bush “now look what you did you stupid f*&%. Get outa my office”.
It looks like every federal prosecution should go through Karl’s political operation for analysis, then on for the final OK by the prez. Those Democrats and other leftists who are deemed dangerous enough to have a trial will be charged and given a trial appropriate to the sentence the president has already determined. Alberto will initial some piece of paper somewhere.
All Republicans will walk free (as if there was a question).
Flamethrower @ 32
No no.
Only the GOOPers who pay big bucks in campaign contributions.
Rule of Law! Rule of Law!
Oh, sorry, I got carried away. Is there a blue dress, sex, or a missing intern involved here perchance?
Margot @ 27
The lessoned I learned from this is that unless I have a lot of money or politically connected – I will have to face the consequence of my actions if I break the law. So I better not break the law because I would end of in jail.
Yesterday someone here called their rep and had the phone answerer say that s/he wasn’t sure whether or not the rep “believed in the rule of law.” I am still trying to figure that one out. Up until this administration I didn’t know it was a choice. I thought only anarchists “believed” that.
LS – I hadn’t noticed your unreasonable optimism until now.
Just dropping in to wish all FDLers a great July 4th. The best part of writing for FDL is the community and I hope you all enjoy today.
TexB @ 9
Naw, not really. I’m sure AEI already has a nice wing-nut welfare sinecure laid out for him. As long as he no talkie.
Jo Fish @ 34
The dress is red white & blue.
Ian at 38 — You, too — and thanks for the birthday wishes post this morning. Good one!
dakine01 @ 39
Why not. They found a job for Wolfowitz.
Looks like Bush and his father have problems with things.
Bush senior: The vision thing
Bush junior: The law thing
Must run in the family.
Thank you, Ian! it is a lovely day here in Mass
mod note – sorry, we just ate. Let’s keep the images a tad less … graphic, no matter the artistic source. Thanks!
Pwright – Re Scooter’s law license – First of all, the conviction does not automatically cause him to be disbarred – depending on the rules of the Bars to which he is called (DC for sure), he may be suspended as a result of a conviction, but there must first be a hearing, and then a penalty, which can range from reprimand, to fine, to suspension for a fixed period, to disbarment. If Shrub pardons Libby, it does not prevent the Bar from disciplining him up to disbarment. If he is disbarred while under commutation, and Shrub pardons him, he does not get his license back automatically. He would have to apply to the Bar, and it would be the Bar’s call. (At least in theory, there are lots of Friends of Scooter on Discipline Committees). A colleague of mine was disbarred for income tax offences, obtained a pardon, and then reapplied for admission, which the Bar denied.
BTW, IMHO Jeffrey Toobin is an excellent legal analyst, and I commend his books as well, particulary Too Close to Call, the Florida recount story.
Tex,
I guess so.
“As the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, let your heart be untroubled by judgments and let your kindness rain down on all.”-Shakyamuni Buddha
I don’t know if that helps, but it makes me feel better.
Actually, maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned rain for you Texas folks!
I hope Georgie now has to pardon Scooter, because he messed the commutation up. Because then Scooter gets to talk! But when has a little foul up in the law ever stopped Bushbaby from getting what he wanted? He probably thought all he had to do was wave his magic president wand and Libby’s jail sentence magically went away. Who cares about procedure?
Interesting developments here with Da Judge fer sure. But….
I’m a little confused. See, I thought that traitors in time of war subject to a little harsher treatment than prison.
Much less a get-out-of-jail-card!
But, hey! The Decider done decided right?
I’m wondering though if this stupid act by Preznint Bush does not make him part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice?
Wonder what Fitz will do about that…if anything?
Markinsanfran @ 43
No surprise, then, that this commutation (?) took place under the leadership of Poppy and the man whose soul Bush saw via his eyes. I believe the vision thing is a family trait.
CHS – I for one would be happy to see Scooter’s supervised release stay in place. Under the rules of my jurisdiction, such a convict is required to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, obey all lawful court orders, and other good stuff. I’d love to see Scooter hauled in for breach of probation (which, after all, is what Paris Hilton got nailed for), for anything that comes up for the next two years. What punishment could he get for such breaches, such as continuing to cover up Bushco crimes that are unrelated to the perjury/obstruction convictions. From personal experience, I have had clients who got probation that made the enforcment branch so mad, they followed them around to catch them spitting on the sidewalk. I hope Scooter gets the same level of scrutiny.
Thank God George can’t stop himself from doing things exactly when it crosses his little pea brain. Had to commute ButtScoots on the very day he lost his appeal. It was another “Bring Em On” moment. Put impeachment right back on the table. At least in the minds of the American public.
Markinsanfran @ 43
Not just the males. Don’t forget that the Bargoyle after meeting Katrina refugees in Houston exclaimed that they were probably happier than if they’d been able to stay in New Orleans and not dodge a hurricane and flooding. And her Katrina “donation” specified that it had to be spent on products from Neil’s education company and I’m still trying to figure out THAT leap of logic.
CHS @ 29…my bad..a toxic mix of aging brain cells and ring cell phone, I guess.
I swear, I heard Tony Snow say yesterday at the presser that Walton had sentenced him along guidelines for the IIPA and that was why it was a mistake…
very strange.
OldCoastie @ 55
Well, wasn’t the length of the sentence in part based upon the seriousness of the crime that was being obstructed?
TexB @ 7
Professional Courtesy — from one serial killer to another.
Ian Welsh @ 38
Thanks, Ian. You helped fill out an article I wrote the other day:
http://cujo359.blogspot.com/20…..a-day.html
Somehow, I think you’ll enjoy it.
Bush is not a serial killer. He is a mass murdered.
So, will Libby be back in the White House, I wonder? I’m sure they need him there.
Mary McCurnin @ 52
I don’t think it was impulsive. In fact, almost a month ago I predicted this would happen before the holiday. The reason is that Scooter was about to go to jail, and that Bush didn’t want to risk Scooter starting to tell the prosecutors what he knew in exchange for a reduction in his sentence. That, plus, this is usually a slow news time.
-ck- @ 57
There is a record of a strange accusation on the records in Texas, the accuser is now dead. I don’t want to link to it, but if you poke around you’ll find it.
ccmask @ 60
Pentagon, maybe. With Elliott.
Suppose that neither the President nor the Vice President is impeached and convicted during their term of office. Is it possible during the next administration to prosecute either of them after they leave office, for crimes such as obstruction of justice, conspiracy, or more prosaic violations of specific statutes? (Let’s pretend that the Supreme court is nonpartisan….)
Cujo359,
Then they truly must be scared silly cause this has pissed off sooooooo many.
John G. Fought @ 64
I have been trying to figure how to ask that question for a week now. Thanks.
ccmask @ 60
Do we really believe that anyone who leaves the White House truly leaves the White House? Would Rove or Cheney really “leave” if they left? I think not.
I get very tired of hearing about all the wonderful things Libby has done “for the country.”
I tend to focus on the the crap he has done TO the country. He was well paid and received many perks for what he did (if anything) for the country but the rest of his life in Guantanamo wouldn’t pay for the damage he has wrought on America and the world…….
Mary McCurnin @ 65
Probably, but they’re also arrogant enough that they don’t care very much. They have a lot of folks willing to go to bat for them on TV and radio to explain what a miscarriage of justice this whole thing poor Scoots was caught up in became. I susepct they underestimated how much backlash there would be. I also think they’re perfectly comfortable even now, because they suspect that no one’s going to touch them.
What’s worse, they may be right. It’s going to take a lot of effort to move Congress, assuming it can be done at all.
John G. Fought @ 64
Only if we elect a Democrat who is committed to rooting out their wrongdoing wherever it takes us. Bill Clinton subscribed to the “bygones” theory of Presidential succession, leaving Iran-Contra completely unturned.
We cannot let that happen again.
Hey, LS maybe you could drop a first name then later in the thread a last name?
Kathryn in MA @ 71
Good idea.
TeddySanFran @ 70
Which is why I am hoping with my whole heart that Al Gore enters the race officially.
Hmmm, does “supervised release” preclude say shipping Libby to Iraq? I mean, if he wants to avoid incarceration, what better way then having him released to the military and having them supervise him in Iraq? He could help build schools, pick up garbage… :p
Guess that would never happen…
Mary McCurnin @ 67
As long as the applicable limitation periods have not expired, and the offences do not fall under the sovereign immunity rule (ie acts of state that are not crimes against humanity), we can fill our boots against Shooter and Shrub. I might add that other countries have the jurisdiction to charge them with war crimes, but I just don’t see that happening as a matter of pure politics – although Kissinger is very careful where he travels these days!
Here is what LS is talking about, probably:
http://www.konformist.com/2000/henry.htm
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dnalragus
ten.yticehtnikcalb
mod note: keeping us on our toes, eh?
sunny @ 76
Nope.
cc
Will those remaining Republicans ever realize that this administration is not really ardently pro law-and-order? The acts of the Bushies speak for themselves. Republicans need to focus on the administration’s deeds, not just its words.
David Addington is doing his client a great disservice. Some might say that the primary responsibility of a lawyer is to be an advocate for his/her client, and approach each issue and matter zealously without emotion. I think that is true, but I also believe that a lawyer’s duty is to provide his/her client all of the problems involved in any course of action, issue spot EVERY SINGLE matter before them, and provide their client advice on how to proceed legally, as well as socially and politically, within the parameters of the law. Although the model rules of professional conduct allow lawyers to advocate positions they believe should be “reasonably changed”, and if the change is not effectuated, they are not found to have violatedthe rules and any cases of legal malpractice (though some states only hold that the model rules are persuasive, and do not provide a claimant a per se cause of action), I believe Addington’s advice at times is reckless.
On anther note, it will be interesting to see what happens with this footnote by Walton. If the the Adminsitration just says, “oh, you think you are cute, then we will commute the entire sentence”, isn’t Libby’s punishment at that point basically a pardon? And then he cannot evoke the 5th?
These racist,facist doomongers of the insidious glorification of that which is mundane is self evident. The facist,racist, benittling subjugates has emboldened the litany. To say otherwise is the opposite of the contrary.
Ah, crap. Just read that Gore’s “kid” was busted for having drugs in his car. I’m going to eat firecrackers and beer.
DR. BonShock @ 82
Rings true to me, but I like to talk backwards.
As KO said last night, among other GREAT THINGS, man, he is awesome, this administration operates for a small, elitist cabal.
It is clear that Walton wrote the Order and footnote as a swipe at the WH. I agree that the “controversy” that Walton expressed can be reolved by properly crediting Libby with a day of incarceration already served.
However (and I admit this is abject speculation), I almost wonder if Walton intentionally opened Libby’s lawyers an avenue to argue that Libby should not serve any probation.
Given a lawyer’s obligation to zealously advocate for his/her client, and given that Walton has already raised a statutory construction argument for not imposing probation, can Libby’s lawyers refuse to argue that the statutory supervised release does not apply? If they argue otherwise, it will be an (even worse) p.r. disaster for Bush and Walton, in the end, will predictably rule that supervised release can apply.
LS-
This?
So as I was standing across the street from Independence Hall today with my Free America Impeach and Have You Seen My Constitution Lately signs, I was able to describe in very clear terms about this whole mess thanks to FDL.
What an inspired day. One guy wasn’t following the case too closely. When I explained to him about the obstruction of justice in the investigation, I could see the wheels turning, and his eyes light up, and he blurts out “oh so Scooter obstructed what could’ve been an investigation into an impeachable offense, gees I didn’t realize it was so serious.”
He got it
And so did the woman who came up to me said “Educate Me.”
I reached 3 people today with indepth information about this case. I would’ve never been able to do this without the fantastic work of everyone here.
The best though was paraphrasing Valarie Plame’s own words about her being the first undercover agent outed by her own government in America’s history, and for political retribution. This was to the guy who was scoffing at me at first. He listened to what I had to say, and was silent for about a minute when I was done. I could see that I got through at some level. He thanked me and walked away.
I got a great pin from a fellow protester, it says Real Patriots Defend the Constitution. I feel great, inspired to continuing fighting. There will be more setbacks, and frustration however I will look back at the experience of having a complete stranger ask me to educate her about what I was advocating, I’ll come to the lake to be inspired, and I won’t give up.
sunny @ 87
Oui
could reid, pelosi, rahm, biden, clinton, and a few other in congress eat the same breakfast food as reggie the judge and just get on with impeachment. hold the goopers to account. make them vote up or down on the most heinous bush crimes and then let them stand for re-election.
make the election about the libby commutation, special laws for special people and getting out of Iraq.
As someone who has been on probation for pot when I was young I seem to recall getting the “Talk ” from a probation officer about how it was not a joke. How being convicted again of anything worst than a speeding ticket could get me SENT BACK TO SERVE THE REST OF MY TIME! I could not leave the state without permission which was a hassle when you live next to a state border. I had to get permission and report to authorties when I went to college instate but in a differnt county. Is Scooter getting the drug tests that I heard they started doing after I was out of the system?
Has Scooter gotten his probation transferred to the county and state he lives in cause unless he lives in Washington D.C he can’t leave the jurisdiction without seeing his probation officer. Heck the very first thing he should be doing is reporting to his probation officer. I’m pretty sure that Failure to inform your probation officer that your going out of state can get you sent before a judge to finish your time. If Scooter flouts the probation system and doesn’t report in to his probation officer, doesn’t transferr his probation to his state of residence, and leaves the jurisdiction of D.C well after violating any one of these rules the matter will be sent to Reggie again! Reggie then issues a warrant and the police bring in Scooter who gets his probation revoked IMMEDIATLY and goes to jail.
Reggie your warning about probation is probably going to be ignored by Scooter and the White House but thats what you want right? You want Scooter to flout the system because then you get to sentence Scooter again. I would hate to play poker with you, you understand Sun Tze even if you have never read him. Loki would be impressed by your trickery!
Way to go, MM!!
TeddySanFran @ 91
Ditto!!!
Millineryman — i am impressed. way to go.
Just how long does Scooter have to report to his probation officer in D.C before they issue a warrant?
Great work, Millineryman: this is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about, getting out on the streets and making noise, not broken glass. Don’t stop at three people!
Approximately related: three thoughts have occurred to me today.
1: As the prosecutors and judges are realising that people with connections to the President will walk on custodial sentences… do you think that future indicted defendants with such connections are going to be remanded in custody a bit more often? I don’t know the legals grounds to do so – IANAL let alone an American one – but pissed-off legal professionals may start to find a way.
2: How pissed off must Judy Judy be, doing three months when Scooter gets away free and clear?
3: Does anyone else think it’s pretty obvious that Bush did this out of FEAR? Was Scooter, like the aspens, ripe to turn?
Greetings,
DUG
Mary McCurnin @ 66
That is why it is so critical for a Democrat to win in ‘08. Unless we retake the machinery of government, esp the DOJ, this country is screwed. That is why I think whether a Dem candidate if progressive enough, is not that important. We need Dems running all of the functions of govt. (IIRC, it is only the President who can’t be prosecuted while in office)
things come undone @ 93
If it’s good enough for Paris to be jailed for parole violations…
TexB @ 7
What? Why did he pick that one?
TexB @ 14
I highly doubt it.
Thanks Teddy, LS it was a good balance to the guy who proceed to tell me about the government being taken over by an arm of the Capone mob, and the LaRouche support who was mocking me as a counterculture drop out.
Go, Milleryman!!!
Awesome!
Saving the constitution one citizen at a time ~ doable AND fun!
Loo Hoo-
click the link @ 76 for a possible answer. Tin foil hatty, I know, but interesting and well documented nontheless.
And downunder girl and Texb, thanks to you too.
Engage people when you can. We will win this one citizen at a time.
Loo Hoo. @ 98
Bush felt sorry for a fellow “zoosadist”.
Millineryman @ 87 –
you are awesome! thank you for sharing and inspiring!
TexB @ 93
As am I. Terrific job.
Millineryman @ 88
Glad, proud to have you there for us.
pwrlght @ 27
Libby is an extremely welathy man. To borrow a phrase from Butch Cassidy, “He probably inherited every cent he has.”
Does anyone know if there have been any poll results since the MSNBC one on 7/02
we need to keep the fire under Bush’s feet fueled; someday it will get so hot that the bubble will burst.
Guess Bush looked into the soul of Henry Lee Lucas and liked what he saw. It’s nice to have a preznit with that ability. It leaves him lots of time for bike riding too.
newtonusr @ 63
ccmask @ 60
Pentagon, maybe. With Elliott.
I see him as a law professor at Regent Law School, teaching a class on how to keep your mouth shut while indicted.
11:00 A.M. Class starts. Silence.
11:30 A.M. Continued silence.
11:50 A.M. Class over. No one has said a word, so everybody gets an “A” for the day.
I wouldn’t wanna have to take the final, though. It could last for months.
LS @ 77
Sorry…:)
Millineryman @ 101
You done good by turning those ya could, getting the word out AND putting up with the related abuse from the others. Who knows, maybe in the parallel universes, you were even able to turn them back from the dark side as well…
The fees from the Marc Rich pardon alone would keep anyone in mac and cheese for a long time.
So, if the Libby payoff document is flawed (h/t to angryblackbitch for the word payoff!) what will BushCheneyCo do, exactly? Re-write it? Go directly to a complete pardon? Withdraw the requirement for supervised release?
And will there be a hearing on 7/9 at Prettyman Courthouse?
Millneryman@88,
Thanks for your courageous action.
fdl reader @ 100
Exactly.
sunny @ 103
Interesting that the courthouse records are scrubbed.
Millineryman! Hats off to you!
John G. Fought @ 64
Impeached or not, they could be prosecuted. However, it is my opinion FWIW that the president’s power of pardon is complete, and unless he was paid actual cash money for the pardon, a case against him would be dismissed by the court if it is premised on misuse of the pardon power.
Millineryman @ 88 — thanks for that and thanks for your Impeach pdf!
Badwater @ 112
And a serious contrast to Karla Faye Tucker.
dakine01 @ 122
Williamson County, Texas. Cronies.
Thanks again everyone. Growing up in Philly and being in this area still, it never ceases to amaze me when I am around Independence Hall.
Off to get some bbq.
Happy Independence Day everyone.
BlueStateRedHead @ 110
Don’t worry about the polls until after the weekend. After people get together for the holiday and talk with friends and relatives thats when the 60% of people who oppose Libby getting a pardon get a chance to educate their Bushy relatives and friends with the news Fox don’t report. Millineryman’s tactics have from now to Sunday to do their magic.
barbara @ 73
After today, you can forget about it. Sadly Al Gore III, the vice-president’s son was busted with X*n*x, Add*r*ll, Marijuana and IIRC other drugs. Possibly drunk driving. I heard this on the Ed Schultz radio show.
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Mary McCurnin @ 119
Good one, Mary!
Just a reminder….July 4th celebrates Revolution against an odious, tyrannical, imperial, monarchial government. It’s unfortunate we have become what our Founding Fathers fought.
Celebrate with the Beatles Revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts
jayt @ 111
I see him as a law professor at Regent Law School, teaching a class on how to keep your mouth shut while indicted.
11:00 A.M. Class starts. Silence.
11:30 A.M. Continued silence.
11:50 A.M. Class over. No one has said a word, so everybody gets an “A” for the day.
I wouldn’t wanna have to take the final, though. It could last for months.
This doesn’t sound like a fundamentalist law school. It sounds like a class at a Quaker school.
Okay, I apologize, but I couldn’t resist. Some of my best friends are Friends. Sorry.
Check out the update on Jeralyn’s post.
A commenter on the site she referenced says that the president can use the commutation impose supervised release without reference to the statute.
He also says that Walton can impose further conditions without a finding of wrongdoing. He would have to make findings of changed circumstances (commutation?) He could, among other things, require Scootie-poo to spend his “nights, weekends or other intervals totaling no more than one year” in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons (360 days?).
Bush isn’t the only one who can play this in your face game. In his public statements, he said that the prison sentence was too long. He didn’t say that a shorter sentence would have been too long.
I don’t do criminal work, so I cannot vouch for this, but it looks right based on the language he cites from the statutes, and, more important, Jeralyn endorses his reputation.
That would put Bush in a real fix. Judge Sirica broke open the Watergate matter by sentencing the plumbers and sending them right to jail. I just pray this happens again. Judge Walton has life tenure, and can do the right thing if he wants to.
Ishmael @ 51
Wouldn’t probation require him to cooperate. No refusing a subpoena to testify and just try that perjury thing again.
Helpless Dancer @ 131
Love it. Chimpy will be hard pressed to exert Exec Priv for a convict…
Whatever the truth, it is bizarre that Henry Lee Lucas, an admitted and prolific serial killer, would be the only recipient of Gov. Bush’s “concern” for the rights of people on death row. After all, Lucas confessed to killing men, women, and children in various disgusting and horrific ways. The Bush we know should not have cared a whit if Lucas got a fair trial. Why did he care in this case and only this case?
But seriously folks–
As if anyone needed proof that Bush was part of the plot to out Valerie Wilson, the payoff/commutation is it. Why else would he not follow DOJ guidelines in the respect that they require the beneficiary of commutation to abandon all appeals? Because it is necessary for Scooter to have a 5th ammendment priviledge.
Steve @ 105
Now I have to dig out a book I have about a ranch at Matamoras Texas that was home to a cult with links to members of the Bush family where caanibalism was taking place. I think this Lucas guy was connected to it.
Just got divorced and have to go through boxes containing >20,000 books, but I know I have a box labeled “Bush family” which contains this book.
Helpless Dancer @ 131
Yes, he is required to comply with all court orders, including subpoenas, but the Unitary Executive can apply to quash them on Executive Privilege grounds, and Scooter still has his 5th amendment rights pending appeal for these charges, and for any other charges that havent been filed.
BTW, probation is no picnic. I have had experienced criminals prefer to what we used to call a “short and sharp” sentence in jail (apologies to the Gilbert & Sullivan fans in FDL!) rather than do a couple of years of probation – it was very onerous to report, no drinking, drugs, etc, and a violation of probation almost two years into it could get you more time than the original crime.
Remind me again how long Libby let Judy sit in jail….
james @ 134…I just took the history books and she complained about that.
And remind me again why Libby let Judy sit in jail.
Big Mitch @ 126
On a positive note, he was driving a hybrid,
Big Mitch @ 126
Thank you, Mod.
On further review, Al III, was arrested for going 100 mph in a Toyota Prius. He had a prior drunk driving that was erased with a diversion program which is similar to probation.
The Orange County Sheriff took pains to point out that he was being treated “just like anybody else.” He omitted to say, “except Scooter.”
tryggth @ 137
Not long enough. Judy Miller should still be in jail for lying, to start a war.
This is one of my favorite articles on FDL ever, in the 9 months I’ve been reading…
I love the judge smacking back.
Big Mitch @ 134
Heard that HRC justifies and distinquishes the Rich pardon from the Libby deal on the grounds that what the Clintons did is (1) within the presidential powers; (2) the Rich pardon was not designed to protect the President as is the case with Libby; and (3) not mentioned by HRC was the reason that the Clintons pardoned Rich but we may infer from HRC that it was not done to protect the Clintons.
What a crew and they all went to Yale. I hereby place Yale on social probation.
New thread!
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..and-learn/
Well Bush basically said yesterday that he would pardon Libby. I wonder why he didn’t just do it Monday. Oh right, because he is the decider and this is what he decided.
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My understanding is that with a commutation Libbie’s appeal is ongoing so Libbie can claim the 5th if called in Wilson’s civil case against him. If Libbie were pardoned he could be called to the stand, and who knows what might come out.
Nixon was going to have to pay $1 million to keep the Watergate guys from talking.
You know, the conversation about “We could raise a million, that would be no problem…..(leaning into the microphone for the White House taping system)…BUT THAT WOULD BE WRONG.”
Even Nixon didn’t hate America enough just to give the Watergate guys a pass to shut them up.
Thank you Christy, Jane, Marcy, Swopa and many others for providing me with the info I needed to respond to this inane and fact-free letter to the editor that appeared in today’s SF Chronicle:
Before I finished morning coffee I responded with this:
Couldn’t have done it without you! Thank you for your wonderful work. Now where’s that PayPal link…?
The clock “started” with Bush V. Gore as a one time only decision
to Fortunate Son. They’ll never be able to “run it out” with Libby so
apparent.
Thanks Karl Rove, for that deflecting dis-information.
LS @ 89
At least one for-further-information link in that article is now broken; presumably it wasn’t earlier.
“Prosecutors and federal judges nationwide are going to face a flurry of habeas petitions…”
Bush can just declare them enemy combatants and be done with it.
That Judge Walton sure does have a flair for footnotes.
Can someone explain to me how Libby loses his 5th amendment rights if he’s pardoned?
I hope the Congressional Hearings shine the light of day on this and the media gives it fair coverage. Libby got pre-sprung because Bush and Cheney were afraid he would squeel and for no other reason. This is obstruction of justice.
TexB @ 7
Now, now that was a Professional courtesy from one Satanist to another.
Liberal Heart @ 153
that one was ideal
idjit bush could have just let him go to jail and denounce any and all claims to the “truth” he made, more of the same. Its what they do.
Now, and thank you mr. idjitking, bush hands us evidence of his own obstruction of justice (and insanity), plus lends serious credibilty to whatever scootie has on him. Stupidity at its finest.
I love Jerilyn’s excavation of the terms of the “supervised release”…. We could see our Paris hilton moment in the cruiser from scootie after all! All eyes on scootie!!! I vote for ankle bracelet myself! ;-D
I thought it meant probabtion, but supervised released, better!
Congress needs to grab ahold of this and run bushco et al. out of town with it. If not now, when?
So, on Monday we learn that Bush takes several minutes out of his busy, busy day to commute the sentence of Scooter Libby, a former member of his elite Washington inner circle. This followed within hours of a circuit court ruling that little Libby should start serving prison time for his lying and obstructing justice charges.
Now, contrast this with what USA Today reported on Monday.
Marines in Anbar Province in Iraq in February 2005 sent an URGENT REQUEST to Donald Rumsfeld (Pentagon) and the White House asking for up-armored, better-designed vehicles to protect them from roadside bombs.
Bush and his crony Republican architects of the Iraq War, like Libby, blew off this URGENT REQUEST, thus signing the death warrants for over 700 of our soldiers over in Iraq, soldiers who might still be alive today if this URGENT REQUEST had been honored and responded to in 2005…instead of Gates, Rumsfeld’s replacement, announcing that the Pentagon was finally going to place an order for these improved vehicles for our military now.
Can anyone spell criminal negligence? This is what should be the epitaph of the Bush administration.
And besides the 700 U.S. soldiers lives that could have been saved if anyone had listened to their URGENT REQUEST in early 2005, how many of our soldiers have been severely injured by IEDs in the past 2 1/2 years, while the Pentagon sat on this URGENT REQUEST and did nothing?
And based on the current make-up of the U.S. military, over 50 percent of these U.S. soldiers killed or maimed due to the utter incompetence of the Bush administration were probably Republican, and their surviving family members possibly Republican, too.
In other words, even “loyal Bushie” Republicans aren’t safe from the utter incompetence and criminal negligence of the Bush administration.
Big Mitch @ 126
i don’t think that should have much of an impact on al & tipper’s decision as to whether he should run. his son isn’t the one that would be seeking the presidency.
bush was arrested for drunk driving & went awol while serving in the military & that didn’t seem to stop people from voting for him.
WE NEED YOU NOW MORE THEN EVER AL (& TIPPER) GORE
It’s definitely time to put the Congressional Republicans on the spot. They have to admit to supporting this bullcrap or they have to impeach and convict the whole lot of ‘em in the White House. If they can’t do that then they should be publicly denounced and trashed at every opportunity.
Somebody HAS got to go, Bush & Co or Congressional Repubs.