So, you can sit around grousing and moaning until the cows come home, wallowing in your misery and cursing the heavens about George Bush. Or…you can do something about him and his corrupt Grand Ole Imperial Party.
I’ll take fighting back for $1000, Alex.
Here are a few ideas of things that you can do this week to help to restore the rule of law and to get the point across that Republicans cannot be trusted to run the corner Quickie Mart, let alone to uphold and faithfully execute the laws and to respect the Constitution.
This is only a start, so if folks have more ideas, please share them in the comments below. I’ll be damned if I’m going to roll over or let them benefit from this elitist manipulation of our nation’s judicial system — in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, “of course, you know, this means war.” Here are a few good places to start:
– Rep. John Conyers and the House Judiciary Committee will be holding hearings on the commutation beginning next week. If you have questions that you would like to see asked, put them in the comments and I’ll see what I can do to get them into the hands of folks who may ask them.
– It’s the Fourth of July holiday week, and Congress is out of session. That means that your elected representatives will be all over the place in their home districts doing public appearances. You, their constituent, should show up and talk directly with them — face to face — about how you feel. About the disrespect of the rule of law. About the Republican party placing itself ahead of the rest of America. About the lack of any accountability.
Reader *xyz has put together some good talking points for this sort of conversation or phone call:
1. Bush’s commutation of Libby’s sentence was nothing less than obstruction of justice.
2. Congressman ____ should please stand up for the rule of law and make a public statement denouncing Bush’s action as obstruction of justice.
3. Congressman ____ must push for a full Congressional investigation of this travesty and must move forward with impeachment immediately if the administration fails to cooperate with the investigation.
The President has obstructed justice into an investigation of his own administration, and a cloud remains over Vice President Dick Cheney — still — with regard to his role in the betrayal of Valerie Plame Wilson and the rest of the CIA operatives working for Brewster Jennings. They and the rest of America deserve better than this, and the restoration of the rule of law is a good place to start. What does your elected representative plan to do about this? We want action, not just lip service.
– Better yet, take a video camera with you and ask polite questions for them to answer. And get their answers on film. And then send the clip to us — put it up on YouTube — send it to Amato at C&L. Whatever. Just get them on the record: Do you support the rule of law or the Republican party? And what are you going to do about it? (See Spazeboy’s great tutorial on videoblogging for the masses for some tips on doing just that.)
– Write a letter to the editor about the Bush Administration and the Republican party’s elitist tendencies and their imperial “we don’t have to follow the laws that the rest of you do” attitude. Keep them short and to the point, use facts, and make it a little pithy. Add in a quote from a Founding Father for extra letter points. Send these to your local paper — they have a lot more impact that way.
– Call your legislator’s offices and ask for them to work to restore the rule of law. Habeas restoration is a good first step — but we have a lot of work to do and it cannot wait for the end of the Bush Administration. (Ari Melber has a good article on this in The Nation.)
– Let’s come up with a new nickname for the GOP. Personally, I’m leaning toward “The Double Standard Party” — but I’m not wedded to it. I do think that “Crooks and Liars” is perfect, but Amato is already using it.
– Contact news media personalities who are inaccurately reporting the news on the Libby commutation — and correct them. Here’s a quick primer:
- Richard Armitage: leaked to Bob Novak
- Scooter Libby: leaked to Matt Cooper and Judy Miller, lied to federal agents and under oath to a grand jury on multiple occasions to cover his tracks and to prevent Dick Cheney from being charged with ordering him to leak in the first place.
- Karl Rove: leaked to Matt Cooper and Robert Novak.
See how easy it is to understand that more than one person can commit acts of treason? (For the truly dimwitted, Juan Cole put together a tutorial with pictures that may help you.) And now that George Bush has decided that the criminal case is at an end, that dodge of not answering questions about the investigation and the actions of his employees is no longer existant. Bring on the sunshine, members of the media and the Congress — because a lot of people have a lot of answering to do. Including this: why was Karl Rove’s security clearance renewed when he admitted to violating the terms of his SF-312 agreement — because anyone else in Rove’s situation woud have had their clearance yanked immediately. Yet another edition of the rules don’t apply if you are a Republican.
– Donate money to a worthy Democratic candidate. (We have some great ones on the Blue America page if you are interested.)
– Call your elected representatives and the White House and register your disgust. Thanks to barbara for the following numbers:
White House Phone Numbers Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461
U.S. Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Try using some talking points from Kung Fu Monkey. Also, consider sending them a postcard — it only costs you 26 cents and goes through without having to wait for anthrax screening. Make your point on a call, and use the postcard as an exclamation point.




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Lets buy Nancy a new table.
“Off the table” is off the table.
sounds good to me… coffee anyone?
Hey, at least one good thing happened this week: Dems in Congress to Bush: No fast-track for you!
Just thought y’all would like to know. Bush no longer has carte blanche to help the Waltons (Wal-Mart) and Bill Gates ship jobs overseas.
Bustednuckles @ 1
Of course, assuming it succeeded, Republicans would scream “Look at her! She just made herself president! She thwarted the will of the people in 2004!”
I have a dream. Hundreds of tables being delivered to Nancy Pelosi’s office. Each of them with a large arrow on the table top and a sign that says: “Impeachment proceedings here”
Hell, yes – we know how to set a table properly!
Archibald Cox said it after he’d been whacked at the Saturday Night Massacre by Robert Bork, on Nixon’s orders: “Whether ours shall continue to be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people.”
Cox was right then, and he’s right today. Mr. Leahy, Mr. Conyers, are you listening?
I don’t see why not.
With all of the rage we are all feeling, we could buy a damn Smithsonian piece.
Something nice.I think it would send the message perfectly.
Great job Christy.
Do we know who Conyers is planning to call as a witness? That would greatly effect the propsoed questions.
My 2 cents: He might want to consider bring in Constitutional scholars to discuss the james Madision essay about abuse of the pardon parwer being cause for immediate suspension of the President’s powers pending his impeachment.
I’ll be back in a few minutes with a link, but Marcy’s Buddy Kagro X posted about it last night
OMG she invoked Bugs, it is serious.
if congress won’t hold the administration accountable, then we should hold congress accountable.
the table belongs to the people. put impeachment on it.
I’d contribute to the fund to send Nancy the table.
LHP at 10 — I don’t know yet. Am trying to find out…
Yay for Marcy in the interview!
You know, it the Dems actually had an effective media team, they’d be paying James Gandolfini and Tony Sirico a couple mil each right now to film a spot where Scooter (Sirico) shakes down Bush (Gandolfini) to get his “commutation.”
Scooter’s last line: “Let’s be clear – I walk completely in 2009?”
Bush: “Absolutely.”
It could be filmed at either the Pork Store or the Bada-Bing…
at the very least…. could our congress critters start using the words “obstruction of justice”? is that too much to ask?
Kathryn in MA @ 7
Remember Judy Chicago’s Dinner Party? We could do a place setting custom made with articles of impeachment on the dinner plate and send it to Nancy.
New symbol for the Democratic party!
Millineryman @ 11
to the bushy battlements
Fourty years ago Washington would have been under seige. Now we vent on BBs, feel better, drink a beer and go back to sleep.
I seriously doubt that venting on your keyboard is going to make one bit of difference. I surely haven’t witnessed any revolutions in Washington in the recent past.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01564.html
amy goldstein is having a live discussion on the libby travesty right now on wapo……here’s the address if anyone wants to submit questions/comments……..
Why don’t we send pictures, at least, of tables and send them to Nancy?
barbara @ 6
Hey, how about those little three-legged tables you get with pizza deliveries to keep the box from sticking to the cheese?
How about getting our hands on, oh, thousands of them and pasting the word “Impeach” on each?
How about dumping them on Pelosi and Reid’s doorsteps?
How about actually making that happen?
Oh, wow. Another president lets a ’supporter’ off the hook. And like when Slick Willie left office in 2000 and pardoned everyone he ever met, W decides to commute the sentence of that liar Libby. So, lefties, before you cry foul over Bushie, don’t forget that EVERY president, donkey or elephant, does the EXACT SAME THING. This isn’t a right wing thing…it’s a political thing. Stand against all corruption, not just that perpetrated by the ‘opposition’ party.
For me, it’s upside down flags on the lawn and wherever I go. It’s a signal of distress I believe. Gotta go out and find some on sticks and then re-staple them.
that and of course faxes to all my congress critters plus.
Great idea, Bustednuckle! And let’s make sure that impeachment is embedded in it so as not to ‘take it off’ again!
It would a truly democratic table, ironically. Her current table is built from the Rethuglicans who just love taking things off (clothes, money, etc), lying about it, and/or refusing to admit they took anything (off)!
No wonder Jon Stewart is so popular; this administration (and GOP party) writes their own paradies as they go along! You can either laugh or cry!
White House: Called
Congress Critter: e-mail sent
Senators: e-mail sent
LTE: sent
To do: Call local offices of Congress Critter and Senators. Call them on support of “rule of law” when it is President getting consensual BJ but not when it is President Obstructing Justice and outing CIA agent and destroying CIA network. Remind them that LIbby lied about leaking CIA agent’s name to Judy Miller and Matt Cooper. Richard Armitage leaked to Bob Novak and Bob Woodward. Two wrongs etc.
rawstory.com has an article with links to an internal White House phone directory…
http://www.freewebs.com/whitehousedirectory/
You might have better luck getting through there (if you care to roil the royals).
Kathryn in MA—
Your name is showing up funny. Please re-enter it the next time you comment, thanks.
I found the Kagro X diary
Go read it
NOW
Miodrag at 25 — You know who Rich’s pardon attorney was? Scooter Libby. Wake the fuck up — corruption sticks wherever it blooms, whatever guise it has. But corruption in pardoning someone who committed a crime to cover-up lies in your own Administration? That’s a whole other level of corruption.
Bush has broken the law by commuting Scooter’s sentence. Bush used his presidential power to cover a crime that he & Cheney are involved in. I wish I knew the exact legal reference # but it was enacted in 1974, in response to Nixon.
We have seen very plainly that the Dem leaders won’t stop Bush’s destruction of America- they claim that it will take up too much time to defend the Constitution & the rules of law. So what we need to do is to contact all of them and be very specific, down to the legal reference number in describing what Bush did to break the law and or the rules of the Constitution and exactly what enforcement powers are at their disposal that do not involve the corrupt Justice Dept.
Conyers, Pelosi and Read will have to be taken by the hand and walked through this, step by step, from start to finish. I do not believe that “Impeach!” will get them to do anything but form a committee & investigate- that is the very thing Bush is depending on to run out the clock & save his rear.
We need to say “Bush did this. He broke this law. This is what you need to do to bring him to justice. Here are the penalties. Here are the enforcement tools at your disposal. Go to work.”
Called Coleman, Klobuchar, and Bachmann’s offices. Coleman either shut down for the week or has too many calls.
Even talking to Michelle Bachmann’s receptionist made me feel icky.
Now, who’s next?
ayetolla of rockandrolla @ 30
Great resource. Thanks. Though I have to tell you it made me laugh (finally!) to see anything related to George Bush’s White House headed “intellectual property rights.” I think there’s a thimble somewhere with W’s intellectual output.
aki at 21 — Yeah, that whole 2006 election work that we did was just for nothing…
Oh, wait, the Dems took back both houses of Congress, we helped turn out voters and campaign workers and look at the information we’ve already gotten out of just a few short months of oversight. That whole Eeeyore act — the “Woe is me, let’s just sit on our asses because nothing will ever change” crap? Not working for me, thanks.
Either get up and do the work, or get the hell out of the way.
Miodrag @ 25
I would favor abolishing pardons and commutations completely.
Oh, wow. Another president lets a ’supporter’ off the hook.
Libby isn’t a ’supporter’. He’s a co-conspirator in an ongoing crime. This is similar to the Iran Contra pardons, but an order of magnitude worse. Besides, even if everyone does it, two wrongs don’t make a right. Didn’t your mother teach you that?
don’t feed the trolls :-)
Hmm, Mr. Fitzgerald, any indictments to unseal? Now would be the time.
What happened to not feeding trolls?
The underlying crime was the Iraq war.
Miodrag @ 25
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…
I’m still beyond livid about this. Surprisingly, I slept well last night, but the anger came back as soon as I woke up and listened to The Young Turks. Cenk and Wes Clark, Jr. spent most of the show on this.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
Christy, this is why we love you.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
Sent you and EW an email
Go read Meteor Blades.
Bustednuckles @ 1
We can’t nail guffawing Bush or Scooty, but Nancy can encourage Conyers re impeachmt vs Cheney. A head has to roll, and his is appropos. Doesn’t matter if it fails; the point is for her to DO SOMETHING!
I would favor abolishing pardons and commutations completely.
They should be at least subject to review if they involve someone with a relationship to the pardoner. Clearly, there’s an incentive to abuse the power if the president is a criminal and has others doing his dirty work for him.
Mark B. in Austin TX @ 48
Well, we could always shift this responsibility to the apolitical SCOTUS. Bwahahahahaha.
margaret @ 23
Tables with “impeachment” on them? This is a VERY practical idea. We could email, snail mail, hand deliver.
It ahs the beauty of being photogenic so it would get on the TeeVee news (one of my sisters is a TV news person and you gotta have soemthing to show the folks visually)
It is also cheap, FAST, easy to do.
YOU are a freakin’ genius. I have to go take a picture of my kitchen table now–I’m gonna write Impeachment on it in Ketchup or mustard or something.
Tonight I’m gonna do my dining room table, all set with crytal and china and a doucument lablled “article of Impeachment” on one of my best china dinner plates.
This is the sort of stuff MSM loves.
OT: MSNBC has a twenty question citizenship test. I scored 90%. I would expect most ‘Pups to score similarly.
Yeah, that whole 2006 election work that we did was just for nothing
And we’ve sure witnessed revolutionary changes since then haven’t we? Just sayin.
dmac @ 22
looseheadprop @ 50
YES!!!!! Not hundreds of tables, thousands and thousands of them. Today!
Azureblue @ 34
It’s in tha Kagro X diray I linked to at comment #32
Will Conyers get focused, concentrated questioning in place?
OK, $32 buys 1,000 of these little tables.
aki at 53 — So we should, what? Roll over, let Rove scratch our bellies and relax and let them appoint all the judges they want and do whatever they please? No thanks.
Again — do the work, or get out of the way, folks. Because the only way these asshats win is if we just give up. And I’ll be damned if I’m giving up…ever.
White House take the phone off the hook?
Keep calling!
Call your Reps!
Write your newspaper (although my editor may decide to “lose” mine)!
Christy, you make a number of excellent points here. In particular what you say about not giving into passivity, moping around, etc. I think Bush and his inner circle understand that by commuting Libby’s sentence he’s sending the message: “There’s nothing you can do to stop us. So, just give in.”
To put it in a different context, one of the things that I’m getting from reading Bob Woodward’s “Shadows” is that the actions of all the post-Nixon presidents were frequently driven by personal vendettas of one form or another. It wasn’t just business, it was personal.
So, I wouldn’t count out the possibility that the timing of the commutation came after the WaPo Cheney series, and after the front page story of Bush’s demise. Bush has always had a finger-in-the-eye style, and this one’s personal for sure.
My email to Senator Durbin:
Now on to Obama.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 33
Pardon my ignorance, but no shit?!!!! Uh. Mah. Gawd! Oh. My. Aching. Ass! Just when I think that I couldn’t be more surprised…
Please ask Rep. Conyers to let us all know what the Democratic Congress plans to do when Bush, Cheney and the rest of the cronies declare a national emergency and suspend elections in 2008. Or am I the only one who finds it difficult to believe these guys are simply going to walk away and let an incoming Democratic administraion/Congress have at them?
JH
Please analylze and advise whether the federal judge could have given zero prison time under the fed sentencing guidelines. What would have been the factors required to be present for Libby to get zero jail time? Bush’s syntax makes no sense. He is really saying that any jail time would be excessive and a fine and probation are the only appropriate punbishments. Bush will pardon Libby later saying he has suffered enough after paying the fine and being on probation for awhile.
Balrog @ 34
Dude, spray down with an industrial sized can of Insanity-B-Gone, stat! The Bachmann force is strong.
I can’t get through to little Normy, either. It is his deal to carry water, not be deluged by it.
White House phones not off the hook here…
http://www.freewebs.com/whitehousedirectory/
I can’t seem to get through to Dick though (go figure).
1,566 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
Thanx for the “to do” list…my wife will be proud of ya. I will be checkin’ in every day and gettin’ my marchin’ orders from those of you with the blogosphones who are best positioned ta provide logistics. There is one more thing that everyone can do that probably is the strongest insurance for the long haul…EVEYONE GO TO A SITE AND SIGN UP TO DRAFT AL GORE.
Thanx again for the positive wake-up…we have a lotta work ta do before we’re outta the Nazi woods here.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DO THE WORK!!
Here are the phone numbers for VP Cheney…1.202.456.9000 and his chief of staff, Libby’s old position.
Might as well complain to the horse’s mouth
RevDeb @ 48
THANKS RevDeb ~ MUST READ/PASS
Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee.
Mark B. in Austin TX @ 50
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. There is a lot of incentive for corrupt politicians to cover each others asses. It seems that one long-term solution that might be necessary is a constitutional amendment that limits the power of the president to pardon, commute, reprieve, etc. Something simple as a president cannot pardon a political appointee in his/her administration. It would probably need to include those who served while the current president was a vice president. If this had been implemented in the beginning think of what would have been different. Nixon would not have been pardoned, all of the iran contra people would not have been pardoned and Libby would not bave had his sentence commuted. The ability for a president to pardon members of their own administration is a root cause of the problem.
I am dejected and in despair. Not because of the commutation, which was bad enoiugh, but because Reid’s office LAUGHED about it when I called. They LAUGHED.
And Pelosi’s office immediately transferred me to the recording when I started talking. They just cut me off and sent me to the recording. They don’t give a shit what constituents and rank-and-file people think. After all, as the glorious Nancy told mike stark, “it’s not worth it to impeach.”
The democrats don’t give a shit about this. They are just waiting til 2008 hoping that by then people will vote for them by default. So yeah, I’ll make my little call because it gives me someone to yell at, but I don’t expect the democrats to do anything. Not one fucking thing.
i just spoke personally with my congressman (jim mcgovern – and can i just say, how many congress critters will get on the phone with a constituent who calls to make a complaint? jim is great.). he has promised to use the words “cover up” and “obstruction of justice”
also, he tells me that he has been talking with members of the house judiciary committee and that they will try to get what fitz couldn’t – the whole truth.
one more good thing he said is that the whole libby thing is not about lying to a grand jury. it’s about the war. jim said we (meaning dems) have to make that clear.
Why wasn’t the Justice Department and Fitzgerald consulted? Didn’t Judge Walton follow sentencing guidlines? Was it imperative for him to follow the Probation Department recommendations? Who determined the sentence was excessive and why. Was this sentence compared to others? (Rita in Fl.) What happened to your declarations? Anyone involved in the Plame leak will be out of your administration.(Rove) I will not comment until the appeals process is completed. Are you just protecting your and Cheney’s asses? Jesus Christ!!! I’m just watching a crossed eye meathead Ron Christie on CNN wanting to prosecute Fitzgerald. Listening to his bullshit wants to make me gag. There is no getting away from this crap. These people have been doing this since the Clinton impeachment. Take as long as you can to spin and then interrupt and talkover the person rebutting. Lannie Davis is making points with trial facts but Christie doesn’t want to let him. Longest and loudest wins the debate in their minds.
t is time that we, as Americans, begin the process of public shunning these criminals. They should not be allowed to walk the streets without public scorn, shunning, dunning and approbation. Just as people are disgusted by a pervert in their midst, this is the way these people should be approached. Boo them. Spit on the street in front of them. Put posters near their neighborhoods to warn of a criminal element in our midst. These people should live near a school or place where decent people live or congregate. Public SCORN! Believe me, this will seem worse to them than prison. Make Libby be as welcome as OJ in a public setting. He and his whole family should be pariahs. That will wipe their smug looks off their faces. And also all the other creeps from this criminal organization.
I can only hope that Reid’s office laughed because they are logging the calls and are impressed with the sheer volume.
Pelosi may be doing the same thing.
I’m not excusing it, but that may be the explanation.
ralphbon @ 58
By the time they get delivered and you lable them and reship them, more than a week will go by. Easier and faster, print out the price quote, take it to you regular pizza place and ask if you can buy a couple hundred. This way you have them tonight, can label and packeg them tomorrow and put them in an overnight packegae on Thursday morning for Friday AM dleivery (or Monday delivery if you prefer)
Guys, if we are really going to do the photos of tables with “impeachment” on them and sending the little pizza tables, we should try to coordinate it for date and delivery locations which means folks signing up to do it.
WHY?????
So we can send out a press advisory telling the media to be there to get footage of the deliveries, and a press relase when we have flooded Congress with these items.
It’s not just Nancy Pelosi. It’s the Senate, pups. “Priming the Pump” for impeachment!
Engage people in conversation at your July 4th celebrations. Encourage them to do what is listed above, and be an example and knowledge source for them to express their outrage.
Not everyone will take action, some people will vent at you and that’s it. However for those who are sitting on the fence, demonstrating and demystifing the process will energize them.
I know people are tired, frustrated and angry. egregious stated earlier that Anger=energy. Use it. Focus. Very wise statement there. Keep that in mind when people are venting. Be a conduit to focus their anger, and yours.
We have amazing tools at our disposal. Think of what the struggle was in 1776 and the lack of technology we have today. Our forefathers overthrew a ruler across the
Atlantic for crying out loud without a 1/10th of the technology we have today.
Call, fax, demonstrate, confront elected leaders in a direct polite way, engage people with truth and facts and when you get frustrated, take a step back and focus on the task at hand, taking the country and restoring liberty and justice for all.
Janda @ 71
Oh, it’s not a bad idea and all; but, make no mistake, it isn’t the root cause of the problem.
The root cause of the problem is a bunch of evil fuckers in the administration; not the lack of rules necessary to curtail their behavior. The root of the problem is that nearly 50% of the country was stupid enough to vote for the fuckers, twice!
I believe peter found some proceedure that was missed and we need to obvioulsy ask about that but the following uestion must be framed correctlky;
since libby in jail is the most important method for getting him to reveal vital information that is important to secure national security, I would think the president’s actions are obstruction of justice
also, I thought contrition was a neccessary component to aquire commutation
Continuing Republican themes:
Clinton did it too.
No underlying crime.
Republicans = moral relativism to protect their own.
Schuster said on MSNBC that the question for Dems is can they frame the narrative simply and succinctly without drifting into weedy arguments. [Gawd I love Schuster. He gets it. He’s a journalist.]
“No underlying crime” = what, obstruction of justice isn’t enough of a crime? Libby’s lies blocked investigating the underlying crimes.
“Clinton did it, too” = two wrongs make a right? Or Bernstein version: lies furthering public policy…in matters of life and death.
brendan at 72 — That’s weird. When I called this morning, I got nice staffers at both offices who took down my messages and talked to me about how disgusting they thought the commutation was.
Did they commute his sentence, rather than pardon, so he coudn’t write a book?
Joseph Wilson is pissed. I like this suggestion. Apologies if it’s been posted already, but the commenting here is at record speed.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=11689369
AnnieW @ 76
I agree — especially since it is likely that it is only junior staff in the offices today. Pelosi and Reid and all the other members are likely in their districts, ready to enjoy the holiday tomorrow.
Put yourself in their place: how many phone calls would it take to send you up a tree with laughter?
Hugh @ 62
Hugh,
I am in awe
whoever addresses conyers I hope you can get him to frame the discussion in the proper fasion;
“irving libby was convicted for covering the tracks of traitors and shows no remorse, he would do it gladly again”
it really needs to be framed for the public in those terms
johnSwifty @ 80
I didn’t mean it was the sole cause, but it is part of what makes it really easy for politicians to be corrupt because there are NO consequences to behaving badly. Sure, even without the pardon option, there would be some true believers who would still break the law, but at least they would have to serve their prison sentences. Not everyone is a true believer; many are just run of the mill corrupt people who can be deterred by consequences.
perris @ 80
Office of the Pardon Attorney (And they’ve got to be feeling a bit unneeded this morning, dontcha think?)
Clemency Guidelines
If Democrats are going to continue to show up at hearings, make weak statements, ask stupid questions, spend no time whatsoever debunking the GOP talking points presented by each GOOPer at the hearings, tolerate 25 to 75 “Gosh, I just don’t recall” answers or allow the witness to answer any question they WISH they were asked instead of the actual question, then I say forget more hearings as they make us look pathetic.
What can I do to correct things? As suggested somewhere else here, I’m going to attend every political event I can with a video camera and I’ll ask the hard questions of every candidate.
johnSwifty @ 66
All our boys & girls in Congress have fax #s, D.C. & local. Here are Coleman’s:
Washington Office:
320 Senate Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-5641
Fax: 202-224-1152
Minnesota Office in St. Paul:
2550 University Ave W, Suite 100N
St. Paul, MN 55114
Main: 651-645-0323
Fax: 651-645-3110
Toll Free: 800-642-6041
it’s a minor point, but the timing of bush’s action yesterday underscores what a snivelling little coward he is — in addition to his many other virtues.
If he really believed the sentence was “excessive,” and the commutation was the “right” thing to do, he should have done it right after the sentence was imposed…..not skulked under the robes of the DC Circuit hoping they’d save his pathetic ass from the inevitable backlash.
There is not a fiber of integrity to be found ANYWHERE in the being of this creature and his fellows. Not a one.
Following Hugh @ circa #62, here’s my e-mail to my Senator…I borrowed phrases from ReddHedd’s post…..
The President’s commutation of Libby is nothing less than obstruction of justice — short circuiting an investigation into his own administration. We are still unaware of the level of his (and Cheney’s) involvement in the treasonous betrayal of Valerie Plame Wilson and the rest of the CIA operatives working for Brewster Jennings.
I request that you 1) make a public statement denouncing the commutation as an obstruction of justice and 2) support House initiatives to impeach President Bush and/or Vice President Cheney.
If you do not make this administration account for its lawlessness, I will no longer support your service in the Senate and will instead actively support any candidate who wishes to restore the rule of law.
Of course, even though it’s short he probably won’t even read it! There is no longer an excuse NOT to start impeachment investigations.
alibe @ 70
er…..WHICH part of the horse, again?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 58
Maam,
With all due respect we’ve spent the last 27 years since Reagan reacting to whatever move ‘they’ make with disastrous results. We elected a Democratic Congress, followed your cherished ‘rule of law’, had their Republican judges say Libby should go to jail and in the end it didn’t matter. Maybe we should begin anticipating and preparing for their next move as opposed to reacting further to their last move.
Then again, I suppose we could always have the Democratic Congress write them some more letters or hold those hearings where the cronies lie and stonewall. That seems to be working so well.
JH
And I’ll be damned if I’m giving up…
I understand, but at some point you are going to have to recognize that the work you do is in support of a party that now works against your interests. They are just as deep in K street slime and just as corrupt as the the Bushies.
They write terse statement but never follow through. They protect their corporate gravy train as well as any garden variety republican. They spit on middle class as they embrace globalization and privatization. As a movement the Democrats are gone. Have been for quite awhile
I have a modest table photo for your consideration, but I don’t know how to link to it. Techies?
dave @ 16
The question is whether the GOP/Media Complex would pay any attention to it.
They ignored Conyers’ hearings when he was out of power, yet any Republican congresscritter who can lurch in front of a microphone is allowed to spit his bit.
So if I dial the White house number and get an operator from the republican national headquarters, does that mean that the neo-con coup is complete and I missed it because I don’t have cable tv?
I called both my local Senators offices and ask them when they were going to start impeachment hearings hearings against the traitors and war criminals Bush and Cheney.
I also informed one of them that even though I believe he betrayed our country when he voted to strip Habeas Corpus out of our constitution I hoped he would uphold his oath to defend our constitution and remove the cancer infecting our government.
I stated that if the house and senate did not than I would consider them all traitors.
My other senators office person who answered the phone I ask how the Hispanic community felt about the senator supporting spying on there phone calls when they called family and loved ones in Cuba. That was after asking when he and the rest of the house and senate were going to start impeachment hearings against cheney and bush. I also told her that if he didn’t uphold the oath he swore to that I would consider him a traitor to our country.
Of course I was polite, but clearly my anger came out when speaking. I highly doubt that any of this is going to do any good since they are all liable to arrest under MCA bill bush signed before the election last year.
You know the part that gives bush the power to declare who is an enemy combatant for committing hostile acts against the country. Like trying to impeach him during a time of war as an attempt to overthrow the government.
Unless I’m wrong this is a great concern on mine and may be the reason that Pelosi says impeachment is off the table. Just wondering, that’s all.
Bush hijacked the American legal system yesterday and he knows it.
Hijacked.
Janda @ 88
Agreed! NO Consequences, is definitely a problem. The Bush administration cannot sink any lower. I am not as optimistic as Christy to think that this Axe will continue to be ground all the way up until 2008. It is the doom of men that they forget; and women are almost as selective in their memory — this outrage will fade.
And it makes me sick that it won’t continue to make me sick, but it’s hard to feel outrage when nothing will stick.
There are NO consequences and I haven’t heard any good ideas on how to create or impose any.
Making noise is required — if nothing else so we can all continue to look ourselves in the mirror — keep calling, keep emailing, but what do we really hope this Democratic bunch of weaklings will answer with other than, “There just aren’t enough votes.”
I’m ill.
GulfCoastPirate at 95 — So your solution is what, exactly? I mean it. Don’t toss out those “let’s just throw our hands in the air and walk away” Eeyore pronouncements out there today and think they are just going to sit there.
What would you have everyone do? What’s your proactive solutation? Because giving up is not an option — so what, exactly, do you propose?
I’ve had it with the Eeyore bullshit. I really mean it. I’m working phones, e-mails and doing every fucking thing I can. What, pray tell, are you going to do other than bitch about what isn’t being done to your staisfaction because, frankly, that gets us nowhere except whining.
Um, here’s a dumb question: I’m a resident of the District of Columbia. While I can call my delegate, Eleanor Holmes Norton (and have), isn’t it misrepresentation to call the staff of other Representatives and Senators?
Any thoughts?
looseheadprop @ 79
Excellent Idea! Cheap and doable!
GulfCoastPirate @ 65
Unfortunately, that scenario gets closer to reality every day.
Marie Roget @ 91
Got it, merci.
The previous comments concerning quarantined snail-mail are valid; but this is a worthy exception.
I think faxing is a solid approach. I’m heading there next.
scory at 104 — I believe Holmes Norton sits on the Judiciary Committee, so a call to her would be a good thing.
Well, I’ve had a busy morning. Up early grooving to Merle Haggard, then to the phones! I made calls to My CA Senators, Madam Speaker’s office (demanding that impeachment be placed back on the table), e-mailed Conyers with similar sentiment. Took a break long enough to watch Joe Wilson and Bill Crystal (Bill could not bring imself to admit that Scooter was convicted of obstruction of justice). Then back to working the phones. The inner-directory for the white house was helpful! I spoke politely to staff in Andy Cards office, the Communications Office and White house counsel. I praised all of them for there quick work in turning us from a nation of laws to a nation of man. Most thanked me for my support of the president. Then, when I again politely asked that they request that the Preseident resign, saving the public a long drawn out impeachment process, they were not as cheerful. The sweet gal in the WH Counsel’s office reassuredf me that there would be no impeachment. SO there you have it – the Bush Administration has been informed that the president will not countenance impeachment proceedings.
Now a little freeway blogging and I ready for Independence Day!
Josh Marshall:
There aren’t many subjects on which I claim expertise. But this is one of them. I think I know the details of this one — both the underlying story of the forgeries and their provenance and the epi-story of Wilson and Plame — as well as any journalist who’s written about the story. The Fitzgerald investigation is probably the part of it I know the least about, comparatively. (It is also incumbent on me to say that in the course of reporting on this story over these years I’ve gotten to know Joe Wilson fairly well. And I consider him a friend.)
And with that knowledge, I have to say that the claim that Wilson’s charges have been discredited, disproved or even meaningfully challenged are simply false. What he said on day one is all true. It’s really as simple as that.
There’s a tendency, even among too many people of good faith and good politics, to shy away from asserting and admitting this simple fact because Wilson has either gone on too many TV shows or preened too much in some photo shoot. But that is disreputable and shameful. The entire record of this story has been under a systematic, unfettered and, sadly, largely unresised attack from the right for four years. Key facts have been buried under an avalanche of misinformation. The then-chairman of the senate intelligence committee made his committee an appendage of the White House and himself the president’s bawd and issued a report built on intentional falsehood and misdirection.
No one is perfect. The key dividing line is who’s telling the truth and who’s lying. Wilson is on the former side, his critics the latter. Everything else is triviality.
From day one this story has been about official lies — corrupt power buttressed by fraud. Along the way it became a story about the president’s hireling commentators who lost their honor by becoming part of the fraud. What Wilson said was true. His attackers are all parties to the same lie. Don’t forget that.
…From the words of Bill O’ Reilly,
That I heard on my TV, From Bob Novak,
And Rush Limbaugh, It all made sense to me.
Anyone who spoke against us,
Was playin’ a dangerous game.
But my Country’s become a laughing stock,
And The GOP’s to blame…
leftdcin72 @ 65
It shouldn’t be forgotten that the communtation of Libby’s sentence came less that two weeks after the Supreme Court held, by an 8-1 vote, that sentences within the guidelines range are presumptively reasonable.
Why does it not surprise me that this president doesn’t see himself as required to pay attention to that tiny little detail?
The talking points for this one are easy.
Scooter Libby lied to the FBI. He lied to a Federal grand jury. A jury convicted him. George W. Bush gave him a free pass out of jail.
If I ever get any face time with my good-for-nothing Congresscreep, I will surely ask him whether he’s OK with this. Alas, I have little doubt about what his answer will be. “IOKIYAR.”
The people at the various offices listed here are completely unprep’d for calls. It’s hilarious. All they can say is “Um, you’ve got a wrong number, I think you need to call the comment line.” Its too funny. I wish I could see the reaction that is going on right now.
http://www.freewebs.com/whitehousedirectory/
mc @ 40
Yes. Fitzy needs to step up to the plate.
Release Bush and Cheney’s transcipts that took place in June 2004…. for starters
Can Judge Walton do anything?
I used to believe what goes around, comes around but……..
OK, here’s a couple of questions I’d like to see asked…
- Significant ink has been spilled defending Libby on the grounds that since Fitzgerald never indicted anyone else, there was no ‘underlying crime’ to obstruct the investigation of. If that’s the case, why exactly did Libbe feel compelled to lie, repeatedly and systematically, over the course of several months, knowing full well (as an officer of the court himself) the criminality of his actions?
- Secondly, why did the President, after publically vowing to stay out of the affair until all of Libby’s appeals were exhausted, step in _before_ his appeal went up, thereby circumventing the entire process? Does he truly believe that _any_ jail time, even while awaiting trial, is too much for Libby? Or did Libby threaten Bush and/or Cheney with further testimony if he had to serve even a single day behind bars, for any reason?
- Finally, why do lying, treasonous oathbreakers like these filth get to walk the streets of our nation at all, let alone run things?
Christy,
Solutions? Risking the same wrath as I weathered here months ago when I correctly predicted Reid’s performance as Senate majority leader…
Stop reflexively looking only within the Democratic Party for candidates.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 103
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Hear, hear. Cynicism is not a solution. What I’m wondering is if we can make a bog so wide, so deep and so sticky that bombing Iran becomes too hot for them to do.
Scory: call the judiciary members. Call anyone you like, I do. Sometimes they ask if you’re a constituent, most times, not. You count, no matter where you live!
GulfCoastPirate @ 95
JH, you assume that we’re losing everything because that’s all that our wonderful media wants you to hear.
We just had a big, BIG victory on denying Bush “fast-track” renewal this week. That means that Bush no longer has carte blanche to let the Waltons and Bill Gates export jobs out of the country.
In the end, preserving the American economy and working to negotiate trade agreements that help workers worldwide and in America just might outweigh whether or not we got to drink Scooter’s blood. (Speaking of Scooter, feel free to have a good laugh at the people who ponied up $5 million and change for his legal fund. Libby could have gone in there with a public defender and the result would have been the same. They may as well as set that money on fire.)
scory @ 104
Call VA, W VA and MD Senators. Reassure them that you have friends and acquaintances that live in their states and that you talk with them frequently about what is going on in the world.
That’s what I do when I call Senators in states where I have lived previously. It lets them know that you can impact their constituents even if you are not one at this time.
How about getting T-shirts with Scoot’s prisoner # on it ? CNN reported his number this morning so it must be out there.
How about sending this to Nancy?
photobucket.com/albums/v241/SharonRB/Photos
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That was funnier than hell watching Michael Isikoff’s blank look while Shuster was talking to Marcy last night ; )
i think all of these suggestions are pointless.
they don’t care.
business across the country needs to shut down.
government needs to be shut down.
everything needs to be shut down.
i’ll be damned if i’m going to put my faith in the democrats. i’ve seen that movie and it sucks.
they are not going to help you. it’s not pleasant, it’s just the truth.
Let’s try this.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/SharonRB/Photos for DU/impeach_table-1.jpg[/IMG]
I’ve never posted a photo link here before, so I’m not sure if I’m doing it right.
I wanted to thank you all for spurring me in to taking action, I have been trying to work up the nerve to make these calls and now have shamed myself in to do so. Its far to easy to sit in the peanut gallery and complain while others do the hard work.
Ech, Is it worth it for me to call/send anything to Lieberman? Rosa DeLauro, Dodd, o.k. Lieberman? Suggestions needed.
Or I should put it this way. If anyone was Lieberman’s “constituent” what would you do? Our letters get answered with something completely unrelated to the subject of concern.
http://smg.photobucket.com/alb…..nRB/Photos for DU/?action=view¤t=impeach_table-1.jpg
How about commissioning a postcard with the presidential oath of office on it? Mail to congress and to the white house.
As for Conyers, have him call Fitzgerald and Walton. Have Walton explain just why he cross referenced the obstruction charge to the IIPA. The single most knowledgeable and non-partisan person in this country wrt to this case is Walton. He has seen material that even emptywheel has not had access to.
He found that the result of Libby’s actions was the successful obstruction of the IIPA violation. Get that on the Congressional record, in detail. And also make it very clear that there are only two possible people that Libby could have engaged in this obstruction to protect.
Fitzgerald and Walton can both speak to that question.
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Does anybody remember that Cheney wrote in his notes (crossed it out though it was) that “this Pres.” asked Scooter Libby to stick his neck in the meat-grinder? It seems to me that would be a smoking gun for obstruction of justice wrt the commutation. It also seems to me that it’s not enough to register outrage with your congresscritter. They’re creatures of self-interest (I know, big surprise) and don’t want to impeach because they don’t have the votes to convict. We have to make them understand that FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT is as important as winning it, and that bringing charges against Shrub, Shooter and AGAG is not only the right thing to do, it’s the smart thing. Then the country will see that we Democrats do know the difference between a government of laws and a government of lawless men. Draw the line bright and clear for the future, if not for the present. We (they) owe at least that to the American people.
I just emailed Senator Murray.
I used the KagroX piece, it sums it up nicely and is short and to the point.
Kipling has some words of wisdom for all of us who feel disgust, despair, and dejection at the President’s latest outrage.
IF
“If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream–and not make dreams your master,
If you can think–and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings–nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And–which is more–you’ll be a Man, my son!”
–Rudyard Kipling
Christy Hardin Smith @ 108
Christy –
Oversight, and her legislative staff was shocked that someone called and asked that she make a statement!
Thanks for help getting me off my ass!
jayackroyd @ 129
Or make one online, post-card size, we could print off ourselves, glue to a card and mail in today.
Time for a walk-about on The Mall. A tsunami starts as a small swell in the ocean and the energy builds into a force that must be reckoned with. When it hits shore, all hell breaks loose. We are that ripple. I’m with Christy. Commence the relentless ass kicking…day after day after day.
Good on us.
In the words of Mader…Get-r-done.
mui @ 127
I e-mailed and will be calling Lamar smith, John Cornyn, and Kay Bailey Hutchison. It will let them know that folks are paying attention even if they do not change any positions. It forces them to THINK, something they generally don’t like having to do.
Since the congress critters in this part of Colorado are neo-con theocrats. or worse yet DINO’s. there is no sense talking to them…and since I won’t blacken my soul by shooting any of them…did a little late night political graffitti last night. Ain’t done it in years…it felt good…may do more…yeah I know it’s lame but when you have no money to send people who are fighting the good fight you do what ya can with what you have.
scory @ 104
Reps and senators, in their work as committee members, work on behalf of the nation, not their districts. (At least that’s the theory.) Some members’ offices will not give much credence to non-constituent contacts, but under the circumstances, I think if you were to call Leahy and Conyers and Pelosi and Reid, your message might get through.
jayackroyd @ 129
Absolutely… we need to keep it out of the political and back into the legal… or
we could contract this out to the Repugs… they would know what to do…
Personally, I think we need a Special Prosecutor since the President is guilty of obstructions…
I also have some other unconventional ideas about the law which apply here. I’ve long believed in a kind of unofficial “banishment” for people who escape justice. That means making (Libby’s) life as shitty as possible without getting in trouble yourself. Don’t help him. Don’t talk to him. Don’t smile at him. If he enters your place of business, tell him that he’s making the other customers “uncomfortable” and ask him to leave. Persona non grata, on a nationwide scale. OJ, without the knife. I’m sincere in this, though I don’t expect anyone will heed it.
More at bogsblog…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 103
See, Republicans never give up when they’re down — but they count on Dems and other lefties to do so.
Part of the problem is that the farther left you go, the more likely you are to find people who have a dislike for politics. Go far enough left, and you find folks who think that ANY involvement in a capitalist political system is propping it up, when the good little Socialist/Communist/etc. should be working to monkeywrench the thing so it comes down that much faster. (Lenin called it “heightening the contradictions, and this is what the German Commies who backed Hitler believed, and it’s why Nader wanted Bush to win in both 2000 and 2004.) I used to be on the Socialist Liberty e-mail list and would watch as people reamed out David McReynolds (who is as nice a gent as you can imagine) for being an evil sellout. His crime? Running for president.
SharonRB @ 129
It worked for me, Sharon; thanks!
Laugh at the zillionaires who wasted all that money on Scooter: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003590.php
im4mary @ 142
Weird. It just takes me to the front page of Photobucket, but doesn’t show the photo I’ve linked to.
burnspbesq @ 112
I note by the “ESQ” that you have barristerial credentials. I think it would be very helpful for someone to write up a contrarian analysis applying the fed sentencing guidelines giving libby zero prison time. The MSM has not even mentioned by what analysis Bush could have determined that any prison time would be excessive.
Peterr @ 139
Reps and senators, in their work as committee members, work on behalf of the nation, not their districts. (At least that’s the theory.) Some members’ offices will not give much credence to non-constituent contacts, but under the circumstances, I think if you were to call Leahy and Conyers and Pelosi and Reid, your message might get through.
Peterr –
Thanks. Shorter Scott (paraphrasing Howard Beale): I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!
Laura Doty @ 136
ralphbon @ 2
On the table is on the table. I don’t know any other way to get my own photo into your hands, either for use (permission granted) or food for thought. Click here to access photo.
By the way.
Scooter, the most moral man in America thought it was perfectly appropriate for Marc Rich to recieve a pardon.
So why come down hard on Bill Clinton about Marc Rich’s pardon? I mean Scooter Libby gave it his red-blooded, good-fathered, hard-working seal of approval.
-GSD
1,566 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
Don’t be too hard on those folks who are a bit cynical about things in this here USofA…there are a lotta folks who have been fightin’ these Nazi wannabees for decades (yours truely included) and were tryin’ ta get the word out that the justice system waz bein’ used for toilet paper while you were still givin’ yer life ta track down poor folks who insulted the dignity of the “better class”. I will look to you for direction and will listen to your analysis but please, understand that there are some of us who think that some of you are a bit late for the party.
And…please use your hard-earned position at the podium to stimulate direct action ‘cuz I’m convinced that there is a fascist government in our future unless we mobilze millions into the street to force the issue.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE ARE A LOT MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!
dakine01 @ 137
The problem is Lieberman doesn’t think (if he doesn’t think it suits him). After years of watching, I am pretty sure of this. I am thinking of an open letter/op ed that we can all sign placed in a local newspaper might be a better idea.
Bobdog @ 42, Bingo! The underlying crime is the Iraq war.
I also got sent to Pelosi’s recorded line, but that will have to do.
I requested vehement opposition publicly (which I know she’ll deliver) and putting impeachment on the table.
Now, where are my GW golf balls? Time to smack some around.
Why does it work for the fundies? Hmm? They are a minority, yet their loud little voices get treated with respect.
Do you think corporations, big business, the $$$ folks who run this country give a damn about abortion? Hell no. About intelligent design being given equal time in schools? Again, big no.
One thing you can count on the evangelicals doing. Vote. Because of that they are catered to, sometimes pandered to.
barbara @ 149
I can’t seem to get mine posted. I used the URL from Photobucket. It works fine on DU, but not here.
Christy,
I understand the frustration above expressed about applying pressure on Congress. If the Dems are resolute about impeachment being off the table because it’s not “expedient” to do so in an election year, what good do you think will come from an investigation by Conyers or anyone else? Where does his investigation take us, in other words?
I firmly believe the only check on Bush/Cheney is impeachment. All the rest is theater.
Phoenix Woman @ 144
I wonder if Fitz kept a charge or two in his back pocket just in case. It happens.
GSD @ 150
If you talk to a winger, mention Libby was Rich’s lawyer. Little wisps of smoke come out their ears when they start to short circuit. They start to short circuit a little more when you tell them why Rich was pardoned.
Pete Bogs @ 141
Someone here recently said they loudly rebuked Judith Miller when they saw her in public.
Time for the shunning to be applied in earnest.
-GSD
Blog posts internal W.H. phones after Biden calls for flooding the W.H. with protest calls.
http://www.rawstory.com
“One blogger followed up on Biden’s suggestion and took it a step further. Lambert Strether at the blog CorrenteWire posted a link to the White House’s full internal telephone directory in a Monday night entry.”
“I figure the regular switchboard might be busy tomorrow, but if you�ve got the White House phone directory, you can just work your way down until somebody picks up,” he wrote.
” Because I figure the regular switchboard might be busy tomorrow, but if you’ve got the White House phone directory, you can just work your way down until somebody picks up. (Actually, in the spirit of CD interviewing people, it might be more interesting and fun to say “Hi! I write for ______________. Do you think that Libby’s commuted sentence involved obstruction of justice? Why or why not?”)
Most of the numbers in the Directory match what I’ve been able to glean from open sources, so it looks authentic. The offices are taken from the White House site, and the numbers are formatted like so: 1-202-555-1212 / 1-202-555-1212, where the first number is via internet search, and the second, italic number is from the Directory:
The offices included in the Executive Office of the President.
1. Council of Economic Advisers: (202) 456-1414 / (202) 395-5084
2. Council on Environmental Quality: (202) 395-5750 / (202) 456-6224
3. Office of Administration: (202)456-7921 / (202) 456-2861
4. Office of Management and Budget: (202) 395-4840 / (202) 395-4840
5. Office of National Drug Control Policy: (202) 395-6738
6. Office of Science & Technology Policy: (202) 456-6021 / (202) 456-7116
7. President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board: (202) 456-2352
8. United States Trade Representative: (202) 395-7360 / (202) 395-3230
The offices included in the White House Office.
1. Domestic Policy Council: (202) 456-1111 / (202) 456-5594
2. Homeland Security Council: (202) 456-1700
3. National Economic Council: (202) 456-1414 / (202) 456-2800
4. Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives: (202) 456-6708 / (202) 456-6708
5. Office of the First Lady: (202) 456-7074 / (202) 456-7064
6. Office of National AIDS Policy : (202) 456-7320 / (202) 456-7320
7. Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board: (202) 456-1066
8. USA Freedom Corps: 1-877-872-2677 / 1-877-USA-CORPS
9. White House Fellows Office: (202) 395-4522 / (202) 395-4522
10. White House Military Office: / (202) 757-2151
And the Vice Presidential Entity, whatever branch he ends up in:
1. Shooter: (202) 456-9000 / (202) 456-1414
2. Shooter’s Moll, Lynne: (202) 456-7489
Naturally, if you call the White House to express your disapprobation in the matter of I. Lewis Libby, you will be courteous, and remember that our public servants have important work to do.
Regarding Marc Rich…
I don’t know the answer to that one, what is it?
My email to Obama:
I contacted my CO Reps today and urged them to co-sponsor H Res 333 to impeach Cheney..
http://kucinich.house.gov/Spot…..uments.htm
Balrog @ 154
Pelosi’s DC fax #:
Pelosi fax: 202-225-4188
looseheadprop @ 51
I think I’m going to bake a nice chocolate sheet cake with vanilla frosting and write in purple frosting, IMPEACHMENT across the top; I’ll put it in the center of my kitchen table and take a photo.
And then fax it to my Congressional delegation.
(I know the kids will LOVE to help bake the cake and lick the beaters…)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 103
I’m not saying all those things aren’t important. I’ve done them myself. What I am saying is, in the end, I’m not sure it is going to get us anywhere. Along with all those things I think we need to begin a serious discussion among those of us who truly care as to what we would all do when elections are suspended. That’s the ultimate goal for the cronies and instead of reacting to it when it happens we need to begin planing for it now just in case. I don’t think a single person like myself has all the answers but I do think I should legitmately be able to point out, without incurring your wrath, that the years of react, react, react aren’t working. The data speaks for itself that things aren’t getting better. I’m not a lawyer like you, I was trained in science, and to me the trendllines are clear. If I keep conducting the same experiment why should I expect to get a different result given the data is the same now, over and over and over.
We have to begin to discuss the possibility the cronies aren’t going to go away quietly. You’re the lawyer, at what point will they have gone too far to turn back? Are they really going to slink away after the next election and let an incoming Democratic Administration/Congress go after them for years to come unimpeded? Are there statues of limitations on all these crimes?
One thing we can do is try to get every Democratic politician to publicize the smirk’s recent national emergency directives. As goofy as it may sound and as hard as it may be to believe that it could happen, we have to begin preparing for that ultimate move in any way we can. At this point is there anything, imaginable or unimaginable, that these guys could do fo which we shouldn’t be prepared?
Just my two cents ……
JH
Norske at 151 — Don’t you dare denigrate the justie system today — when it worked perfectly, including the multiple conservative judges who stood up for the rule of law. The Bush Administration may manipulate politics to its own selfish ends, but yesterday three federal judges stood up for the rule of law in a strong statement of unanimity. I mean it — not today.
And don’t you dare try and tell me that I didn’t do my job with a strong eye toward justice, enforcing the law across the board. That’s beyond insulting and I am in no mood for the bullshit today. I really mean it, Norske, you took it way too far.
Phoenix Woman @ 142
See, Republicans never give up when they’re down — but they count on Dems and other lefties to do so.
What you fail to grasp is that the lefties are no longer represented by the Democrats; that the reflexive voting “for-the-lesser-of-two-evils” is what got us here. The blind partisanship of the left is the cause of this steady downward spiral.
And don’t give me any bs, “pragmatic” excuse for reflexively voting Democrat either. Pragmatism is by definition uncreative, and restricted to what has been done in the past, not what is possible.
Again — do the work, or get out of the way, folks.
Christy, this is why I took FDL off my blogroll. Expressing dismay with the ineffectiveness of the netroots is a valid criticism, not “getting in the way.”
You want to build an army, don’t piss on the recruits.
As I am watching this unfold pretty much as expected, another thought hit me. The Democratic party has an image, not that I think it is valid, of being weak in foreign policy issues. How the Democratic party responds, whether they can come out swinging on this issue, would certainly help establish strength of party and strength of character.
There is no playing nice or fair when the other side has no respect for rules or the spirit of the law.
Just now, I saw Lanny Davis on TV making comment on Libby. geezzzzzzz ……….why can’t CNN get someone like Cliff Schecter instead?
The investigation of the underlying crime is not closed is it?
Sally @ 153
I live in Dover, DE. The planes never stop.
When you look at the night sky, send up a prayer or positive thought…that’s when they come home. The morgue is here. We must never forget them.
The Washington Post’s Goldilocks editorial this morning is as pusillanimous as Bush’s chickenshit effort to have it both ways on Libby. They claim to think the sentence was “excessive”, but that no time is too little at all. Tellingly, these these slimy cowards do not mention the name Walton — evidently they have some vestige of shame that prevents them from smearing yet another servant of the law and the people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01611.html
Balrog @ 153
i also was transfered to the recorded line…. where i got a recorded message that the mailbox is full. argh!!!
Peterr @ 89
Well the pardon office answers the phone.
I’m supposed to get a call back. Suggested questions?
dakine01 @ 52
I scored 100%, but admit to guessing on the naturalization form question.
wh press conference on cnn
edit: msnbc
NorskeFlamethrower @ 151
I gotta agree with the Flamethrower…
Look, I’m no fucking radical but the Bush
conspiracy has shown me that democracy is not working… we are at the tipping point where
men like KO and John Dean and John Edwards need
to be heard… but I am afraid that people are
not listening…
I don’t know what I would do without Firedoglake… thank you Christy and Jane and
all others for your help and fine words… it
eases the pain of seeing my country preverted
with cowards like Bush and Cheney…
Please Fitzy come forward
OldCoastie @ 177
On CSPAN2 also…
Cheney’s office: called
My Representative’s district office: called
My Representative’s Washington office: called
My Senators (both): called
White House: called
All Democratic offices answered phone, took notes, responded courteously, did not argue with characterization of commutation as obstruction of justice.
All Republican offices (White House, OVP): had answering machines at best; could only get through to WH direct through switchboard, and then only to tape.
Who is listening, and who is telling us to fuck off? Easy for me to see.
brendan @ 173
No They only say the sentence was “excessive” because they don’t truly think Libby was convicted by a jury of his peers.
I’m working phones, e-mails and doing every fucking thing I can. What, pray tell, are you going to do other than bitch about what isn’t being done to your staisfaction because, frankly, that gets us nowhere except whining.
Christie, I love you for all you’ve done for this country, but you need to take a break just now. You’re in the grasp of the archetype. And aki@169 is DEAD ON: “Pragmatism is by definition uncreative, and restricted to what has been done in the past, not what is possible.”
Laura Doty @ 135
Yes. That’s even better.
Is there a designer in the house? Or make the content be IMPEACH in red letters. But that we could do today, and have them in their offices by Friday.
Snow, “I’m not going to eliminate the possibility of a pardon”.
Christy;
Thanks for the ideas, I have already fired off a letter to the editors of all my local news papers, I suggest that everyone do that as well.
Also, is there any way to find out how many people are serving prison time for perjury and obstruction? My thought is that the president will want this list to make sure that no one faces excessive punishment. That is snark, obviously, but I think that we need to hammer that point home. This is special treatment, why is it okay to treat Scooter this way and not others? This is the meme that I think will resonate with the public that has not been following this as closely as we have.
Cheers,
jayackroyd @ 175
Here’s a few questions I was scooping up for Mr. Conyer’s committee to ask, but you’re welcome to them for the OPA yourself. And of course, all answers should be backed up with supporting documentation (emails, notes of phone calls, memos, reports, etc.) where possible — not to you, but to the relevant Congressional committees:
* Was there any formal request for clemency filed by Mr. Libby’s lawyers with the Office of the Pardon Attorney (OPA)?
* Per the OPA clemency process guidelines, did the OPA conduct any investigation into the request? Was AG Gonzales involved at all? If so, how?
* Per the OPA clemency process, did the OPA contact Mr. Fitzgerald for his input as the prosecutor in the case?
* Per the OPA clemency process, did the OPA contact Ms. Wilson, as the victim of the leaking which Mr. Fitzgerald was charged with investigating?
* Per the OPA clemency process, did the OPA contact Judge Reggie Walton for his input as the sentencing judge in the case at hand? Did the OPA ever read the transcript of the sentencing hearing, or Walton’s written sentencing decision?
* Per the OPA clemency process, did the OPA make any formal recommendations to the Attorney General and/or the White House on the suitability of granting this commutation? If so, what were they?
* Per the OPA clemency process, no commutations are to be granted until the person in question has reported to prison and begun serving their sentence. Are you aware of any other commutations where a jail term was commuted before the felon had begun serving his or her sentence?
And of course, there are a multitude of followup questions for each of these . . . this is just a place to start.
NorskeFlamethrower:
I agree, we need to storm the mall. I am willing and able to be there. What if there were hundreds of thousands of people on the mall. What if they stayed and stayed and stayed. Would this inspire more to join? Would the numbers be so great that eventually the media would be forced to report? What would happen?
selise @ 17
It is not enough. TREASON
Jayackroyd at 183
see Millineryman at 148
Snow sez the sentence handed down was within the “guidelines for the espionage act”…
oh, what BS!
I reached Amy Klobuchar and Keith Ellison. Coleman, not; but I’ll send him an email in any case.
Kagro X Diary that looseheadprop linked to in 31 above speaks directly to the issue of impeaching Bush and Cheney because: by commuting Libby’s prison sentence, they’re covering up their own crimes; therefore, they’re obstructing justice. It’s that simple.
Loo Hoo @ 176
I missed that one as well. My guess was wrong.
John at 183 — The archetype of what, exactly? Wanting us to strive, as a group and a nation, toward what we should be, what we ought to be? Wanting things to be better and more just? Good lord, what a horrible thing to want for my country and the rule of law — for it to be applied appropriately and for voting citizens to stand up and let their voices be heard.
Sheesh, how silly of me to want people to take action toward something better for all of us rather than just sit back and gripe about how bad things are. Honestly, John, what are you suggesting be done? Truly — what, in your opinion, is how things ought to go today?
jayackroyd @ 182
I think Brisingamen had a really great postcard that they sent to senators. It was these photos on a postcard.
Maybe something similar for the occasion. DarkBlack?
snow job – the president spent weeks and weeks of considering the libby clemency.. and consulting with people (me: rico?)
Christy,
I want to ask The Judiciary why they allow 39% of the news to be controlled by one man. I am all for freedom to do business but the limit should be no more than 20% controll of news and media. This nothing more than propaganda at its worst!
kym @ 172, the commutation is especially infuriating knowing so many good people died or were wounded, and so many people’s lives affected, because of the White House mafia’s treasonous acts.
We should herd them all on cargo planes and drop them over Baghdad.
Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee.
Biodun @ 192
Here’s Kagro X’s diary:
“The following is from a report written and released by the Judiciary Committee in 1974 in the aftermath of the Watergate crisis.
In the [Constitutional] convention George Mason argued that the President might use his pardoning power to “pardon crimes which were advised by himself” or, before indictment or conviction, “to stop inquiry and prevent detection.” James Madison responded:
[I]f the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds [to] believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty…
Madison went on to [say] contrary to his position in the Philadelphia convention, that the President could be suspended when suspected, and his powers would devolve on the Vice President, who could likewise be suspended until impeached and convicted, if he were also suspected.”
I’m telling you folks who get busy sigs, no answer, full voice mails, etc.- if you have access to a fax, it’s the way to go. That paper is a piece of tangible evidence they get of your opinion on this matter. Just Google the office/person you want to contact: 10-1 odds you can ascertain one or more fax #s to use in expressing your displeasure @ the Libby commutation…
Key questions, probably obvious:
Was the Vice President involved in any discussions of clemency or pardon for Libby?
Was Karl Rove involved in any discussions of clemency or pardon for Libby?
selise @ 196
I’ll bet Cheney wrote his speech.
RevDeb @ 18
Yes! That would be right up there with the rubber stamps!
Phoenix Woman @ 118
PW,
I have to go to work but you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I don’t believe in giving up but I don’t believe that I need to keep beating my head against the same wall in order to prove I’m not giving up.
As for the worker stuff, who sold out workers more than the Democrats and Clinton? Enough said … and for the record I grew up in a union family and am a supporter of unions today.
JH
Snow implying the Wilson is a liar…
Snowjob trying to say Joe Wilson lied and refusing to answer if the WH owes Valerie Plame and apology. Snowjob is LYING LIKE A RUG!
Ed*ward T if you are out there: What do you think we Alaskans should include in our calls and letters to Murkowski, Young and Uncle Ted about all this?
Maybe something like, See kids this is how the real crooks do it.
Snowjob is delivering his closing arguments. Pathetic.
I called my Congressman’s office yesterday evening when I got home – before I ate dinner, in fact – and told him I want these #$%^&*s impeached for obstruction of justice. I managed to be polite to the nice staffer who answered the phone, too.
I e-mailed Madame Speaker and told her this, with the addition that if she can’t see her way to doing it, she should stand aside for those who will.
My offer to Darth and Shrub is:
Door #1: resign and face criminal charges
Door #2: be impeached and lose pensions
Door #3: face pitchforks and torches
(I need to go find a skull-and-crossbones flag for the Fourth.)
reporters arguing with Snow
WH Press corps is FINALLY calling Bull Sh*t on his a**.
1,566 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
Sigh…I am very sorry if you took offense at anything I said but I’m afraid you doth protest too much. It is indeed difficult for a person ta come ta gripes with the fact that they have been servin’ the beast for a long time even with the best of intensions. If you truely think that my remarks deserved the response you gave…well, I’m very sad and trust me dear ya won’t have me ta kick around anymore… sad and disappointed, Christy, that you would go after those of us who have understood what you still refuse to accept. No, sister, the justice system DIDN’T work in this case and it’s still bein’ used and abused ta protect those who steal and murder in the name of the state.
I’m so sorry…the sadness overwhelms but the struggle goes on. Have a nice life.
KEEP THE FAITH AND FIGURE OUT WHO THE ENEMY IS!!
Phone calls will do nothing.
Blogging will do nothing.
Anger will do nothing.
They’ve heard it all before.
Nancy Pelosi made a decision a while back. She’s sticking to it.
Impeachment? “Not worth it.”
Does it matter to anyone that she violating her oath of office – to support and defend the Constitution?
At the very least, a censure resolution shold be introduced against Bush.
He is now obstructing justice. He has commuted the sentence of a man whom he asked to commit a crime.
The facts are out there! What is the Congress going to do? Whine? Complain? Hold another meaningless hearing? Use the occasion to slam Republicans?
They have a case for impeachment – whether it flies or not does not matter – they have all sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and must take action now!
there’s a fascist government in our PRESENT, dude.
The conspiracy to obstruct justice continues. The conspiracy to retaliate against Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame Wilson continues.
Now, there is certainly evidence to that effect isn’t there?
The President consulted with others to commute the sentence.
Ex-employees of the VP’s office are still going on TV (Ron Cristie)and calling Joe Wilson a liar.
Fitz???
question to snow job: how can stand there and tell us this wasn’t political?
I made a prediction and I hope I am correct
we all know there would have never been charges unless the cia insisted
we also assume the cia was pressuring the president to do something about this exposure
now we know the president threw a monkey wrench in the proceedings
I am predicting there will be data released that is long over due and it will reveal more depravity from this administration
let’s hope I am correct
if so, wait till the dust settles, about a week or two and then we’ll get it
*crosses fingers*
Snow, “we are not going in overthrowing the jury”…
NorskeFlamethrower @ 151
I disagree, we have, by Mussolini’s definition, a Fascist State now. This is just a way point to a Theocratic Police State, unless it is stopped.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 193
NO! Rage against the machine, today. Rage hard and with intent and purpose! But be intelligent enough to realize that the machine is broke. Yes the justice system did the job, and it was subverted. Rage against the system and cry injustice today, because it sets the table for what must come tomorrow. When today’s events garner no attention from the weaklings in congress; then the same sort of emotion must be channeled towards a new and creative approach. Because, frankly, sending Nanci Pelosi a bunch of tables is just not going to get it done.
dakine01 @ 206
Seems like a good time for this:
http://www.wilsonsupport.org/home
Snow: “what the president did was consistent with the guidelines”
selise @ 196
Yet, he waited a whole couple of hours after the appeals court denied Libby’s request for bail to issue the commutation. Ha ha. Like it was ever in doubt. Pardon on the way in January 2009. You can count on it.
What else could one expect from the Greed, Obstruction and Perjury Party?
Weasels by any other names are still weasels!
Christy, I have a picture – I sent a copy to Rayne – me with a beribboned pitchfork. I can’t send it myself until I get home, but if someone wants to run it through photoshop, it’s available. (For one thing, you can get someone a lot better looking holding the pitchfork. Miss Liberty, maybe.)
Seriously Christy, I am game for some kind of group action of the rubber stamp variety, where we all pitch in and make a personal delivery appropriate for this occasion to our congresscritters.
Snow just said that there was no petition for clemency
This is just getting started. Not to be a shill, but Keith Olberman is going to use his show tonight to call for the resignation of both the President and the VP. He is a lot further to the left than most MSM, but just the act of doing it is going to keep some wind behind this over the long weekend
Fresh thread for everyone. Tony Snow is a dolt.
Hugh @ 163
Bravo Hugh !!!
I hope this groundswell of anger sustains the drive that leads to impeaching Bush & Cheney.
Is there anything that non- Americans can do to help?
I mean … short of calling everyone
we know in America and convincing them to join the protest …
Sorry Christy, that is what I get for reading while I’m working. thought it was funny that they should be talking about communications, oh well the questions still valid.
OldCoastie @ 217
Good thing I’m not in the gaggle. I’d be so tempted to be ruthless and ask him if his effort today is what he wants us to remember him by.
Grrr…how can he lie so readily is beyond me; I don’t want my kids to see him save for being an example of lying to the public.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 212
Norske, the Justice system did indeed work.
A grand jury was presented with evidence, and returned indictments against I Lewis Libby.
A prosecutor engaged the defense team in a court of law, laying out the evidence before a jury of twelve citizens for their consideration.
A jury returned verdicts of guilty.
A judge sentenced the defendant in accordance with the accepted guidelines, and ordered Libby to begin serving his sentence.
An appeals court panel agreed with that judge, saying that there was little likelihood of victory for Libby on appeal.
That’s the justice system. And it worked, exactly as it was designed to do.
What Bush did is not part of the system of justice. It is an offense to it.
Re: me @ 192:
I finally reached a staffer at Coleman’s office, who apologized for putting me hold. She said they’ve been receiving calls all morning re: Libby.
Main: 651-645-0323
Good Morning All
RevDeb at 26. I just sent Siun a pic of our flag display we had up for over 3 years. Upside down, yellow ribbon, adorned with nice big blue morning glory plant. It’s just itching for a stint in public at FDL. We’ll see what the goddesses think of the idea… ;->
(Still have the display up, but with flag upright presently, ever since Dems. won back Congress. I do have to admit, though, that there was no vandalism of the setup the whole time it was upside down.)
Whoever fixed my link upthread, thanks!
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Norske — You said: “while you were still givin’ yer life ta track down poor folks who insulted the dignity of the “better class”.” How, exactly, did you expect me to take that particular phrasing? As a compliment to my integrity?
I’m exhausted. I’ve had a house full of company for over a week now. And then the Libby news hit and my phone has been ringing off the hook. Instead of support, what I got from you was a “you are part of the fascist hierarchy, repent, ye sinner.” If I misread you, you let me know, but that is sure as hell how it read to me. It could not be further from the truth and, honestly…I’m not even sure what to say from there.
Emotions are running high on all sides today because, frankly, we’re all pissed off about what happened yesterday. But that doesn’t mean that you get to take it out on me personally and expect me to just take it lying down. You know me better than that.
breaking: CBS News Radio
White House will not rule out a full pardon for Scooter Libby.
(I called it yesterday)
SharonRB @ 121
I think demonstrations are in order, provided they are large enough and peaceful enough. Norske has a point, though made far too indelicately. This is work that has to go on multiple fronts. In the Civil Rights movement there were people who worked the legal side, and others who organized the sit-ins and the demonstrations. Not everybody has to do everything, nor can she. Christie is dead right that we have to keep working inside the system to bolster the Democratic spine and its majority. Norske is right, I think, in thinking that until this hits the streets with tens, hopefully hundreds of thousands, of people protesting the destruction of our Rule of Law, we are not going to get much practical traction on impeachment.
Polls are not enough. There has to be some visible feet on the ground.
Laura Strand @ 109
“The sweet gal in the WH Counsel’s office reassuredf me that there would be no impeachment.”
Un-fucking-believable. This is ground zero for impeachment and the Decider’s crew have DECIDED there will be no impeachment.
They really have decided he is King George.
I have some questions that Conyers might ask.
They need to inquire why Bush’s own Office of Enforcement neglected to take statements from those involved in the case…after Bush said that anyone involved in laking a CIA officers identity would have to take FULL RESPONSIBILITY.
Why were those who are known to have leaked Plame’s identity to reporters or others not with proper authorization ever punished?
Given that folks like Armitage, Fleisher, Libby, Rove, Cheney and others involved still have security clearances, or government penisons, WH offices or staff, etc. perhaps Congress should consider impeaching these “members of government” so that there IS some consequence for improperly leaking classified information.
This would give the Republican members of Congress a chance to put their money where their mouths are…they keep repeating that Armitage was never punished…take his pensions away…along with Libby’s…Fleisher’s…etc.
All those that “knew” of the leaks that damaged National Security but didn’t go to the Prosecutor or FBI and report those that were involved!!!
Wouldn’t it be ironic if one or more charges were lost by Fitz and sent back down for retrial? And that trial lingered over into the next Presidents term of office.
Given that Bush didn’t wait until the appeals process had ended to commute Scooters sentence this could mean that Libby would be re-convicted, re-sentenced and still have to serve…since double jeopardy wouldn’t apply (as Scooter hadn’t actually been punished).
Biodun @ 235
Did she tell you Normy’s position?
barbara @ 55
A Dinner Table set for the 21st Century!
Azureblue @ 33
THAT’s what I’m talking about! Simply screaming “Impeach” does nothing. Give us the legal information to refer to and we will blanket our less informed representatives with a “How to Impeach for Dummies” tutorial.
barbara @ 149
Love it!
How about tomorrow, on July 4th, people agree to go to a public place just for five minutes/half-hour/hour and hold up a simple homemade sign that just says “Impeach”.
And then maybe commit to doing it,( same place, same time, same sign) every week until congress finally does something other than express disgust.
*xyz @ 200
This is very interesting! Apparently both Mason (anti-Federalist) and Madison (Federalist) stated that “obstruction” by Presidential pardon WAS discussed and that Madison assured Mason that Congress could SUSPEND the actions of both the Presdent and Vice President while an impeachment trial occurred!
I worked in Durbin’s office for three years. If you want any email to him to make a difference, you have to send it to the head of his office. Mass email messages to the senator were deleted. This week, the target offices should be their home offices. In Durbin’s case, that person would be:
Clarisol_Duque@durbin.senate.gov
Also, I’m not in Chicago this week but if Windy City-ites want to get Fitzgerald’s attention (and want to get the potential attention of the media), you may want to consider standing in the post office plaza at Adams and Dearborn with LARGE SIGNS. Get as close to the NE corner as you can and face the Dirksen. Having been in the US Atty’s Office many times, I can tell you he (and his senior staff) have a perfect view of that spot. And the media are all over the neighborhood right now because of the Black et al. and the mob trials (Obama and Durbin have views of the plaza as well but their offices are too high to read signage).
Good mornin’ from Kawliforya,
after spending the day off the computer and with my kids, I checked in and was absolutely STUNNED to say the least. I went to bed in SHOCK. Not shocked that libby was pardoned. The kind of shock when the last shreds of “it’s going to be OK eventually” fell away.
When area these crooks going to stop raping my country?
Then I come here, and here’s CHS rallying the troops. Good on ya fire pups!!!
This entire administration is UNDER INVESTIGATION. How can a participant in the matter UNDER INVESTIGATION excuse/commute/pardon a member of his OWN administration?
That is my question for Congress. We need them to stand up and stop the abuse for goodness sake.
JebbieTeacher @ 250
Thanks! There’s a new thread going, but I brought your comment forward.
Perhaps we can persuade Nancy Pelosi to take a cue from colbert’s “profiles in timing”? If impeachment proceedings begin towards the end of a prez term, then it won’t look like a naked power grab, and we still get Bush and Cheney’s head on a platter?
There I go again, dreaming…
*xyz @ 200
Thank you for this! I posted some blather before reading your information. :)
Lets recap, shall we?
Last week:The Dems voted against the FCCs Fariness Doctrine from EVER protecting the public from the monopoly of right-wing talk radio. The Dems caved to a few right-wing corporations and wingnuts while the corporations use the public airwaves to trash the liberal majority of the country.
This week: The Dems let Cheney and the GOP obstruct justice and let them get away with it.
So what was Nader wrong about in 2000? Nothing!
What will change, unless massive amounts of protests shut down the country? Nothing!
And what have the Dems done since 2000? Nothing!
Miodrag @ 25
Eagerly looking forward to your links to anyone here praising corruption by any other president. Take your time.
If 30 months is too harsh…how much jail time for lying under oath to impede a federal investigation is fair? If none, then release everyone else in jail for a similar crime and we will just do away with having to testify under oath.
Since Libby will answer nothing, taking the 5th…
Ask whomever will speak on behalf of the Administration (no one) “Sir, could Mr. Bush have legally traded a pardon for a pound of Colombian cocaine? “
“Well, the pardon would have been legal, but it would still be a crime”.
BINGO. The crime is Obstruction of Justice, he just bought off the witness when the witness was ready to roll over on Bush and Cheney to avoid jail.
Given that we know that Bush and Cheney were involved in the leak, and that the relevant Federal law for obstruction of Justice is:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 73 > § 1512
How will the House move to enforce the rule of law and hold Bush and Cheney accountable?
Steve Pordon @ 256
As many of you probably do I receive several solicitations for $$ from the DNC. I answered the last one by pledging $1000 if the party would unite around the idea of impeaching this president and vice president.
If our politicians respond to cash then let’s make that a priority.
ceci @ 161
It is interesting to note that the White House receives all these calls on an infomation hotline that we pay for. They refuse to give out statistics to anyone just what topics are called in about or the numbers for or against. It is just a big black hole. Congress should be required to get statistics and release the numbers. We pay for the info, but White House surpresses it. Surprise, surprise
Agreed. We should make it abundantly clear to our elected officials that if they are going to ask for our votes and our money, they better step up and do their damn job.
Good stuff Christy.
Everyone wear black or black armbands tomorrow….. while you’re “celebrating” our “independence” and talking with your “representative”.
Geeeze, Paris Hilton’s gotta be pissed off. Her sherrif over ruling the judge didn’t play well and she did her time. :-) Clearly, she didn’t have the right connections.
And here’s a question for Conyers that I wouldn’t mind hearing a (probably very fumbled) answer to:
If President Bush thinks that 30 months is excessive for lying to a Grand Jury, and obstructing justice in a matter of national security, what other sentences does he consider “excessive”?
Double life for fifteen-year-olds?
Execution for the mentally handicapped?
My neighbor flies the American flag pretty much all the time, being an American patriotic that heis.I see it from my living room window and it helps remind me of my fathers service to our country during WW11. The flag has been down since yesterday in protest of this administration and it’s dis-reguard for the rule of law. This is shameful. This is not what America is about and has never been until this current administration came to power. I truly will be glad and i will be celebrating with the rest of the Nation when this President and his administration leave office. I think we should have a national day of celebration. I don’t know what we should call it. This commuted sentence and eventually the pardon of Libby will always remind me how important it is to get out there and vote.I can’twait torid this country from the pestilence entrenched in our current government. I belong to the grass roots movement that took out many of the republicans this last election. Unfortunately we didn’t’ go far enough. I’m still ashamed of both the house and the senate and their do nothing attitude about what is happening. I will be voting all incumbents out this year and for many years to come.
Bush claims that the sentence was unfair and too extreme. But then how come he commuted the entire prison sentence? Why not reduce it to 20 months (if he feels the sentence was only too extreme?). He didn’t reduce the prison sentence. He removed it altogether. Is a sentence of no prison time fair and reasonable for perjury and obstruction of justice in a matter such as this one?
Anyway, Judge Walton did the right thing with the original sentence. A high level government official like Libby should serve the high end of the recommended sentence for obstruction of justice, perjury. More is expected of people with such responsibilities.
Hey Christy, maybe you should go read the Constitution before you further embarass yourself.
Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution of the United States of America clearly states that
I’ve gone ahead and emphasized the pertinant part since it’s obvious you’re not clear on how the internet works.
Hey Christy, you also said
Could you please link to the posts you made comdemning President Clinton’s PARDON of 141 convicted criminals on 1/20/01.
Just for clarity some of these wonderful folks were convicted for:
False statements to agency of United States (btw – this is exactly what Libby was convicted for)
Importation of cocaine
Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge
Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return (And everyone says that only the Republicans love business men!)
Distribution of methamphetamine
Possession of an unregistered firearm
Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
That was just in one day. Clinton’s record of pardons goes all the way back to Nov 23rd, 1994. I havene’t read the entire list but I’m pretty sure it’s fairly juicy.
Ah, what the heck, since you’re obviously detail challenged I’ll be nice and give you the link to the DOJ website but only this time! You’ve got to start walking on your own two legs eventually.
PRESIDENTIAL CLEMENCY ACTIONS BY ADMINISTRATION: 1945 to 2001
So what’s the point here? That President’s have the right to grant pardon’s and clemency of sentences and that this power is clearly stated in the Constitution. Reader *xyz is a delusional foll and apparently you are too.
President Bush’s granting clemency to Libby is in no manner, way, shape or form obstruction of justice for the simple fact that the order granting clemency was granted AFTER justice was meeted out by the Judicial System.
Would either you or your rather clueless counterpart care to explain how you can obstruct something AFTER it has passed?
I believe I’ll be hearing crickets on that one for some time.
I also loved this tasty morsel:
Uh….the case IS at an end you ninny! The sentence was handed down on June 5, 2007. That’s it. Case closed. End of story. Roll the credits. Unless you’re privy to some other additional legal requirements that the rest of us are not…..
This is why those of us with a rational thought pattern typically marginalize you left-wing wackjobs.
You have no grip on, nore do you reside anywhere near, reality.
Moron,
Conyers will not be holding hearings next week. There is no constitutional recourse, so get the f-k over it.
Hey Keith,
I’ll admit that I was quite upset when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. That was an abuse of power and unseemly, at best. And I’m a guy you would probably see as a left-wing wackjob (nice ad hominem there, Keith . . . winning the hearts and minds). It was within Clinton’s power to do that, of course. The difference here is that this case involves Bush directly. He’s commuting the sentence of someone who may have information that could get him impeached. This commutation, though legal, is a kind of obstruction, at least in spirit. Legal is not always the same as ethical. President Bush – and his acolytes – have certainly figured that out.
Marcy great job – One thing I noticed on this forum – no Conservative apoligist. NONE, ZERO, ZILCH…. Right on MSNBC.
This is reminiscent of Poppy Bush by the way . . . remember the pardon of Caspar Weinberger? Oh, but George was out of the loop on Iran Contra, right? Right? Uh . . .
Actually, this could be obstruction in more than spirit. Froomkin has a quote from Madison in response to the complaint that a president may issue a pardon as a means of protecting himself (or herself, should we get Hillary Clinton):
“The Framers, ever sensitive to the need for checks and balances, recognized the potential for abuse of the pardon power. According to a Judiciary Committee report drafted in the aftermath of the Watergate crisis:In “the [Constitutional] convention George Mason argued that the President might use his pardoning power to ‘pardon crimes which were advised by himself’ or, before indictment or conviction, ‘to stop inquiry and prevent detection.’ James Madison responded:
“[I]f the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds [to] believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty. . .
Of course, that’s the caveat. “If found guilty”.
New name for republicans? That’s obvious. They are the Republican Treason Party. Why are Dems so afraid of using the “T” word? Call it what it is! They are traitors. The republicans took an oath to uphold the constitution, but they are at war with it — as well as stabbing troops (and CIA agents) in the back. And they do it because they still have a chip on their shoulder over the fact that their side lost the Civil War. They don’t care what harm they do to the “Yankee” government or “Yankee” military. They see the “Yankees” (i.e. United States) as the real enemy, not Al Qaeda. The party of Lincoln has become the party of Jefferson Davis.
As for:
Are you nuts? This is part of the problem right now: knee-jerk partisan Democrats offering themselves up as useful idiots to Democratic politicians who refuse to stand up to the Republican Treason Party. As far as I am concerned, that makes them criminal co-conspirators. I live in San Francisco; my rep. is Nancy “Impeachment is off the table” Pelosi. I vow to do everything possible to defeat that traitorous hag in 2008. There is not a chance in hell I am going to help Democrats who refuse to stand up for this country.
Both the Democrats and Republicans can both go to hell!
Impeach Nancy Pelosi!
This is the first time it has become possible for the Democrats to impeach Bush and Cheney.
Finally we have a high crime and misdemeanor committed by the Republicans that the Democrats didn’t vote for.
Miss this opportunity and it’s back to business as usual.
If there was a law that said that no federal legislator can own stock in or receive benefits from corporations, particularly defense corporations, not even if the stock is in a blind trust, not even if they don’t know they own it, and not even if their profits go into escrow until they leave office, Washington, D.C. would be a ghost town tomorrow.
Both Democrats and Republicans in Congress are millionaires and have large stock portfolios. Defense stocks have been doubling and tripling in value every year that Bush and Cheney have been in office. How can they impeach their golden goose? Why should they care if middle class and working class rabble scream about democracy, when the war profiteers in Congress are getting richer every day?
Here’s how it works. First they buy defense stocks. Then they award the company whose stock they bought a whopping no-bid contract. The value of the stock shoots up on the basis of the contract, they sell those stocks for a hefty profit, and they they do it again with a different company. This isn’t rocket science.
Why else would anyone raise and spend millions of dollars to get a job that only pays a couple hundred thousand?
It works the same way in local politics, and in every other banana republic.
For “national security,” read: personal profits for those in power.
By law, Valerie Plame’s husband was a terrorist: he was trying to interfere with corporate profits (the profits, amounting so far to trillions of dollars, that defense corporations and their stockholders have made on the Iraq war), by pointing out that Bush was lying about the reasons for going to war. All Bush, Cheney, and Libby did, in outing Valerie Plame, was to fight terrorism, terrorism being defined as anything that might interfere with their war profiteering.
Stop begging Congress to do things for you. You’re an adult American and they’re not your mommy and daddy. If you want something done, you’re going to have to do it yourself, because they’re too busy making money. And stop buying the story that they’re making money to support you–they don’t care about your health, pension, your job, your kids’ education, or anything but their own designer clothes and fancy country clubs. Stop thinking that you elected them–the media gave you a choice only between a greater and a lesser evil, so you had to vote for one evil or the other. In a democracy you’d be allowed to disregard evil altogether and vote for GOOD people, not corporate shills.
If you really want impeachment, forget the letters and the tables–just tell your Congressperson that they’re not getting another dime or another vote from you until and unless they impeach. Stop enabling them and try some tough love–these are greed and power addicts and they won’t respond to anything else.
Thanks, mods
Kathryn in MA @ 276
Pleasure, Kathryn.
Exactly! And we should start by targeting Nancy Pelosi!
I previouly posted “Impeach Nancy Pelosi”. Obviously, that was foolish. That was my anger speaking. I’ve given it more thought and I now have a strategy. I posted it in a comment at Larisa Alexandrovna’s blog. We need to draft Matt Gonzalez to run against Nancy Pelosi in 2008, and we need to build that movement now. Anyone who lives here in San Francisco knows who I am talking about; for those who don’t, you can read his Wikipedia entry. I’m not trying to build any personality cult around him. I bring him up because he is the only one who could give Nancy “Impeachment is off the table” Pelosi a real run for her money and send a loud message to the corrupt political establishment that the people have had enough!
It’s time to stop playing into the cynical self-serving political games of the spineless Democrats and start holding their feet to the fire! Political activists need to stop blindly playing into the hands of the politicians; they need to step back and think and start using some smart strategy to effect real change. Real change won’t come from giving spineless Democrats a free pass; it will come when they realize they will pay a political price for refusing to take action. So where are the activists who know how to make this happen? I have no experience as an activist, but I want to do something and am not willing to just help the careers of Democratic politicians who are not standing up for the republic!
So let’s make this happen! Draft Matt Gonzalez to run against Nancy Pelosi in 2008!
Why didnt Bush lessen the time in jail to 15 months? Too close to the election? Why would 15 months still be excesive but not a $250K fine?
Nothing short of a mass march on DC will get the point across. It’s time for action to displace apathy.
My term for the people in this administration is sleight-of-mouth artists.
The craftiness of the wording of their answers is proof in and of itself of their deceit. They make sure not to tell a technical lie, but watch how they choose their words.
Dick Cheney appeared to refute Joe Wilson’s claim that he was sent on his mission to Niger by the CIA in response to an inquiry from the Vice President’s office. His “denial”? — that he never met Joe Wilson. Of course, if you read Wilson’s op-ed piece you’ll see that Joe Wilson also never met Dick Cheney; nor does he claim to know that the Vice President asked for this intelligence to gathered, only that that was what the CIA told him. If Cheney could have denied that he made the inquiry, he would have done so. (He later made the absurd defense that his claim of not knowing about Wilson’s mission really meant that he didn’t know that Wilson was the person who had been sent).
Then there is the claim that “the leaker” (as if being the first to tell Novak were the only leak that existed) was, after all, Richard Armitage and not one of the insiders in the administration. True enought, but whenever Armitage is identified as “THE leaker” there’s the implication that only he leaked her identity (I almost wrote “her name”). Astounding! especially when you consider how many people were bandying her identity about and feeding it to various journalists. It reads like the plot of “Murder on the Orient Express”. Everyone and his brother in this administration had the information and was sent on an errand.
Ah, yes — then there is the claim that there was no crime committed (and therefore Fitzgerald was overly zealous) because Plame-Wilson’s name had been declassified prior to the leak(s). This begs the question of what possible purpose there was in declassifying her name, if not to discredit Wilson. And the even more obvious question: if there was nothing wrong done, then why didn’t the President just say that the information had been declassified instead of denying any knowledge of who had leaked the information.
My own take on her outing is that, even more than it was a retaliatory tactic, it was a diversionary tactic. No-one in the Bush administration ever really denied the content of Wilson’s article — that the administration knew that its claims about Iraq getting or (effectively) seeking uranium from Niger were unfounded. Instead, they turned everyone’s attention to the mystery of “who leaked Plame’s name”. Any discussion of Wilson’s allegations was pushed into the background. He was almost always incorrectly described as someone who “criticized the administration’s policy on Iraq”.