From an op-ed in the Miami Herald from James Ross of Human Rights Watch:
It’s not every day that a 26-year veteran in U.S. military intelligence puts his career on the line by publicly criticizing a high-profile operation. But Lt. Col. Stephen Abraham, an Army reservist and lawyer, did just that last week in a Supreme Court affidavit that challenges the court’s refusal to hear the claims of Guantánamo Bay detainees.
Abraham spent six months in 2004-2005 as a panelist on the Combatant Status Review Tribunals, or CSRTs, at Guantánamo, which were created to determine whether individual detainees were ”enemy combatants.” His statement, claiming that determinations were based on outdated, generic intelligence that was rarely case specific, captures the extent to which the Bush administration has been willing to ignore if not manipulate the facts in pursuing the ”global war on terror” — even if it undermines those very efforts.
The CSRTs are not a requirement of the Geneva Conventions or a long-standing U.S. military practice. They were concocted by the Defense Department nine days after the Supreme Court ruled in June 2004 that Guantánamo detainees had the right to challenge the grounds for their detention in court through habeas corpus, the time-hallowed Great Writ that protects against unlawful and indefinite detention.
To date three-member military tribunals at Guantánamo have processed the cases of 572 detainees. Only 38 were found not to be enemy combatants. Unlike habeas proceeding, where the burden is on the government to show that the detention is lawful, the CSRTs required the detainee prove he was not an enemy combatant. And the CSRT rules prohibited the detainee from having the assistance of a lawyer or seeing most of the evidence against him.
But it turns out that the military panelists had not much more access to the evidence than did the detainees. Abraham says his repeated requests for information that would shed light on specific cases were routinely rejected. ”What were purported to be specific statements of fact lacked even the most fundamental earmarks of objectively credible evidence,” he stated….
It’s now clearer than ever that the Pentagon used the CSRTs to paint a veneer of legality over a largely predetermined decision. If this isn’t troubling to the Bush administration, it should be to the American public. Not only are people being held for years unjustly, but the military’s efforts and resources are being misdirected from those who really have the intention and means of doing the country harm. Adding these dubious panels to the Guantánamo mix of indefinite detention, abusive interrogations and unfair military commissions, and it’s not hard to understand why the U.S. has received less than full support from its allies in the fight against terrorism.
Instead of trying to fix a CSRT process that is fundamentally flawed, the federal courts should be hearing the detainees’ habeas petitions. But a ”court stripping” statute blocks the way. Under the Military Commissions Act rushed through Congress last fall, the courts are prevented from reviewing habeas petitions brought by Guantánamo detainees or other nonnationals held abroad. By tampering with a fundamental right that dates back to the Magna Carta, the act threatens the protections against unlawful detention to which we are all entitled.
Several bipartisan measures are now before Congress that in one form or another would restore habeas to the Guantánamo detainees. That is important and necessary. But the Bush administration need not wait for a new law to be enacted. Abraham showed forthrightness and courage by publicly raising his concerns about the CSRT process at Guantánamo — perhaps at the expense of his distinguished army career. The administration could show similar fortitude and take steps now, rather than later, to restore an independent check on detentions and ensure that the United States is no longer holding anyone outside the pale of law. (emphasis mine)
In case anyone has any doubt as to why the restoration of habeas rights is important, this is why. And no matter how many times the Bush-Cheney apologists deploy folks like the “torture twins” to editorial pages nationwide, it does not negate this simple fact: every time we bend our laws to enable previously illegal behavior that was once considered so beyond the very boundaries of civilized behavior that we put the Germans and the Japanese on trial for war crimes for it during WWII, we debase our nation and become the very ideology that we pretend to be fighting. And that is both unconscionable and immoral.
We are better than this. And it is high time we started acting like it instead of looking the other way.
For more on how we got here in the first place, take a peek at this walk through from Balkinization. And more from Glenn.
Lynn Olson finishes a WaPo op-ed comparison of George W. Bush to Neville Chamberlain with a quote from Winston Churchill that is particularly applicable here:
But history has its own ways, and we cannot make the long-dead titans we admire give us their modern blessing. As the world’s two most prominent and powerful democracies, the United States and Britain had a responsibility to serve as exemplars of democracy for the rest of the world, Churchill believed. But to be fitting role models, he argued, both countries had to do their best to ensure that the “title deeds of freedom” were strongly safeguarded within their own boundaries. “Let us preach what we practice,” he declared in his 1946 “Iron Curtain” speech in Fulton, Mo. “But let us also practice what we preach.” (emphasis mine)
Sentence first, verdict after is not who we should be. Ever. Let us all stand up and insist that we live our national values and practice what we preach to others. Now.
(Illustration of the Queen of Hearts and Alice from the work of Sir John Tenniel. This is one of my favorite illustrations from the books, and such a depressingly perfect visual of what we are doing in Gitmo. H/T to reader WB for the Miami Herald link.)
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Wow, am I first?
dos, again
tres?
Wow, what a terrific post.
I have nothing to add… other than I hope you can send it to our members of Congress, or get it published as an op/ed in the major US newspapers.
Everyone needs to read this and think about it.
Tell me this shallow puppet does not care about what people think of him after viewing these pictures.
He’s our own Paris Hilton with nukes.
-GSD
Let’s hope the Supreme Court hasn’t already made up its mind and listens to that letter. Disgusting stuff.
How many convictions have we had against terrorists since 9/11? I think that number is around 0. What are we supposed to be so scared of again? 0 convictions. The only indictments we’ve heard of all sound fairly lame and/or far from reality, like attacking Fort Dix. America needs to get it’s priorities straight.
“By tampering with a fundamental right that dates back to the Magna Carta, the act threatens the protections against unlawful detention to which we are all entitled.”
Perfectly stated, we are all at risk….
This is one of those issues about which we must make amends — the restoration of habeas and of respectfor the rule of law is a must. Otherwise we are no better than every tyrannical, lawless government against which civilized nations have fought for centuries. No excuses — we must do better than this.
Breaking:
Reported terrorist attack at a religious temple in Yemen.
-GSD
“Sentence first, verdict after” seems like the right way to do things for the reptilian lizard-brains who infest the entirety of the Repug body politic.
Anything that requires reasoning or any other form of sentinence is way, way beyond the evolution of these cold-blooded critters.
Who knew that “to err is divine” would be the Repug mantra? Why, we did, doncha know?
Lizard-brains can’t help but get everything backasswards…and they like it that way!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
And as we rectify our own laws to reflect what they should be, we must ship off those who re-wrote them into the blasphemous contortions they now are off to the Hague to answer for their crimes.
Hmmmm….I wonder if their “Sentence first, verdict after” could be turned around on them and would work in place of impeachment. They want to act like outlaws, then treat them like outlaws. Round ‘em up, lock ‘em up, and throw away the key.
Impeachment has to be put back on the table.
RevDeb @ 11
I think that the Hague should be a last choice. We need to clean up our own messes and try them here. That would be the best way to regain the world’s respect.
Wonderful choice of illustration, Christy. Innocence and truth uncowed by intimidating power.
behindthefall at 15 — That has always been one of my favorite illustrations from the Alice books. That stiff little spine of hers as she stands tall in the face of the Queen of Hearts…great artwork, isn’t it?
LS @ 12
Nice idea, but, who exactly is going to do that?
Why we need to get rid of Gonzalez first. Then the firewall is gone and we can go after Cheney. Bush will be toast after that.
Better than this or indifferent? Unfortunately, many people only act when “they” come for them and ignore what doesn’t touch them directly. I think this is the result of living in a society that removed “social” out of its governing and replaced it with I, me, mine, all mine.
This is the same mentality as the Jim Crow south. It just went under ground and now it has a chance to resurface. Many would love to get back to a posse form of justice.
It is the few in numbers who have to make the change. Don’t count on the masses.
Well, we know at least one book that Addington, Yoo, & Co have read: Der Prozess (The Trial).
Kafka would be appalled.
Helpless Dancer @ 14
The “Hague” is a “In a Just Word” concept, that isn’t going to happen, ever. The 1996 “War Crimes” law is real and can be used against these war criminals..if the Democrats have the political courage to do it. I am not hopeful.
Didn’t I read recently that the percentage of persons incarcerated at Gitmo that even the Govt considers to be possibly guilty of actual terrorist-related behavior is only in the 15 to 20% range? Or was that just me making my own assumption?
How do we restore habeas corpus?
How do we ensure that those who are suspected as being terrorists are not sentenced first, and (possibly) eventually tried for crimes later? I continue to be baffled by the argument that “the enemy combatants are not American citizens, and they’re not fighting for a country’s army, so they don’t get the luxury of habeas corpus or international laws like Geneva Conventions.
It is astonishing to me how one event on one day caused many Americans to completely erase the desire to be fair and just.
GSD @ 5
I’ll bet Putin is having the time of his life up there in Kennebunkport.
That whole scene is just tooooo f*****g funny. I mean, whatever you may think of Putin, the man has a significant IQ advantage over our own bumbling buffoon, not to mention a political career that no doubt curdles the blue blood of his mamma the Bargoyle. To imagine him on holiday in New England in the bosom of the family home……well, it’s just funny, that’s all.
What I find remarkable is that 38 were found not to be combatants, given the ground rules (perhaps a poor term, there really were no rules). How outrageous their detention must have been to have been rejected by even these tribunals. And what has happened to those poor souls?
demi @ 17
I agree. But, who exactly is going to get rid of Gonzo? That is the problem.
landofthefree @ 22
That one day is the excuse needed to justify the master determining who is guilty and who is not guilty. Barbarism is one layer beneath the surface. It takes consciousness and awareness to face it within ourselves and rise above it.
I am hopeful about the SCt’s decision to hear the gitmo case. I know it is scary, considering the abominations of the last term….but my theory is that old swing-man Kennedy is finally experiencing some qualms of conscience that may lead to a 5-4 decision the right way, for a change. (I base this on the fact that Kennedy (together with Stevens) said he was going to keep watching the case after the Court initially denied cert in April.
So this country faced down Hitler, who had an enormous war machine and was bent on world conquest, and the Soviet Union, armed with enough nukes to wipe out the planet — but now, facing stateless terrorists with car bombs and box cutters, we can’t afford the “luxury” of habeas corpus? If this is allowed to stand, we are a nation of morons who don’t deserve our “shining city on the hill.”
oddmommy @ 23
Did you see the footage of Puties arrival? Laura reaches her arm out to hug him and he pulls back, then he leans forward to greet her; then he hands the bouquet of flowers he’s holding to Babs first, then someone hands him another bouquet and he just quickly hands it to Laura. It was all so awkward looking to me.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
There is also no compromising on this. You can’t “kind of” restore habeas, or “work something out” with the Administration.
Our country either has the right to habeas corpus or it doesn’t. Simple as that.
dalloway @ 28
I am still amazed at the bewetting over Bin Ladinism. Do these people really think that his ideology is so enticing that he’s gonna rope in folks from Spain to Indonesia?
Treat him like a pariah, not a messiah.
-GSD
Did Pootie kiss Poppy’s wittle belly?
-GSD
QuakerGirl @ 26
Astonishing, isn’t it? I never knew our collective sense of right and wrong could do a 180-degree turn so quickly. Barbarism is a good way to put it. I just didn’t know it was so close to the surface.
It still seems to me that the administration can succeed to supress the sense of what is right by continuing to play the fear card. I suppose it boils down to the natural animal instinct to protect oneself and family. I just find it astonishing.
LS @ 25
Isn’t it ironic that they employ a three way, check and balance in order to protect the fact that they — Bush-exec, Cheney-Legislative, Gonzo-Judicial — have absolutely subverted and replaced the check and balance system laid out by the framers.
Everyone thought those darn framers were so smart and all. All it took to bring it all to shit was a stupid frat boy; a two-bit ambulance chaser; and, an evil barrow wight in the guise of a one time, useless bureaucrat from a previously failed administration. Poor Richard, indeed!
1,565 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
Now, after the reversal Of Brown vrs. the Board of Education, can we jest get on with it…the processes and institutions established to defend against the tryanny of an oligarchy (or a majority) have been used to consolidate the power of oligrachic tyranny. Do you really think that efforts to re-establish processes to advance a rule of law are possible without the political will to dismantle the corrupted institutions of justice thru impeachment of Supreme Court Justices and criminal prosecutions of the Attorny General and several of his minions? And even if we can summon the political will to attempt that change, do you really think that the powers that be will allow it to happen?…Well, I for one think not!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE DON’T HAVE ANY CHOICE!!
oddmommy @ 27
I wish I was as hopeful as you. Roberts needs only to sway one vote—Kennedy. And so far he’s be doing a smash up job of that. Yet we live in hope . . .
dalloway @ 28
Yep. I been sayin’ that all along. Moreover, every day in this country we deal effectively with the scum of humanity without denying them due process. Ever watch the MSNBC series “Lockup“?
But, NO-o-o-o-o-o-oo-h-h-hhhh!!! These cats in flip-flops, sheets, and turbans are all 100 feet tall with 5 foot long razor sharp fangs. CODE BROWN!
Habeas corpus is every dictator’s nightmare. They can’t rule with it but oh the power they have without it. It’s been suspended many times throughout history. Other than jumping up and down like Rumpelstiltskin, what have the Democrats and Republicans done about its suspension? And they won’t until the pressure comes from us.
QuakerGirl @ 38
We don’t have time for that damnit! There’s brown folk coming over the border in schools like red herring, fur chripsake!
1,565 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen RevDeb:
“Yet we live in hope.”
I’m afraid not, Sister Deb, I’m afraid we must live in faith and action. Hope is what must energize direct action…we can’t wait for the criminal to give us our wallet back.
KEEP THE FAITH OUR CHOICES HAVE BEEN MADE FOR US!!
Norske at 35 — Yes, I do think that the rule of law is stronger than the temporary idiocy of these morons. Why? Because it has outlasted prior morons and thieves as well. We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one, because I’ve seen the rule of law outlast tyrrannical judges on the bench, and it will certainly outlast these idiots.
As we speak, the bastids are ramping up the “Hezbollah in Iraq” story.. Watch out!! Next stop, Iran.
johnSwifty @ 39
So what is your suggestion? How do you see turning this around?
I’ve been out of the loop here this weekend, so apologies if this has already been discussed: During a Saturday “press gaggle,” the following question/answer transpired, in relation to Putin’s visit with the president:
Q What kind of social occasions apart from the lunch?
MR. SNOW: Well, I think there’s a social dinner terrorism night, as well.
I’m sorry: a “social dinner terrorism night???
Please, someone, clue me in.
If the Administration is out of control; if Congress won’t stop them; if SCOTUS rules with them. Who do we turn to??
We need a solution, and we need it fast.
Great posts this morning! Sorry I missed the previous discussion. I read the WaPo piece last night and tried to figure out if this was a White House snow job or just a shitty reporter tryin to put together a “human interest” piece. Still don’t know- but it smells pretty Rovey- just enough criticism to make it seem “real” but mostly “The president remains firm and in control in the face of great adversity”. In other words- total bullshit. The sources- of course- were nearly all goopers and friends of the prez.
Rove! Get the fuck out from under that reporter’s desk and get ta work.-
Part of the process is going to have to involve removing more wingnut Senators.
A challenger for John ‘Box Turtle’ Cornyn.
Well, I’m off to go see “Sicko”. I expect that you all solve this lack of habeas corpus by the time I return.
(Seriously – is there a copy of the magna carta we can send to each member of congress or something? Create a list of great quotes by our founding fathers about the importance of liberty and justice for all? Anything? Bueller?)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
Sorry to miss your response, Christy — had to step out for a while: my wife is trying to keep a mother bear and her cub from being shot just because they’ve wandered into ‘civilization’.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
I agree. Don’t ask me how it happens but the pendulum swings back. In the meantime it takes vigilance by the few to influence and spread sanity. At this moment in history we are the witnesses and we must be the action.
What makes the situation worse, as if that were possible, in a classic SNAFU meets FUBAR, the CSRTs determined the detainees were “enemy combatants” but not “unlawful enemy combatants” as required by the Military Commissions Act for trial under said commissions. So on June 4, 2007 military judges dismissed charges against two of the detainees. This ruling puts in question pretty much everything the CSRTs have done to date. It is a sad day when our Constitution is protected not by conviction and principle but by pathetic bumblers precisely because they are pathetic bumblers.
QuakerGirl @ 43
I was attempting to be facetious, of course. I’m just as worried about the most basic foundation of our society — the rule of law — being subverted. I’m completely disgusted with the supposed, “thinking,” populace of this country that we are diverted by the shiny new problem the MSM is complicit with sticking in front of us.
I think the first thing to do is shine the white hot spotlight of truth on the MSM and show what an organized, diabolical propaganda system it has become. I think reading, participating and telling everyone with a brain about FDL is a good place to start.
The Clusterfuckers threw centuries of western law out the window- and then tried to make it up as they went along. This they call being “conservative”. It’s no wonder that they lost their way. It took a long time to figure out a legal system that more or less works. The one a few wingnuts invented in their spare time isn’t as good.
The good news is that for the most part the supremes are showing the clusterfuckers the door.
behindthefall @ 49
where is this happening?
Chimpster can’t catch a break, or a fish.
So much for the old mantra, teach a man how to fish.
From Yahoo:
“Putin landed a fish, while his host did not, and then the two presidents sat down for their informal talks inside Walker Point’s stone-and-shingle main house overlooking the rocky and jagged Atlantic coastline. What remained to be seen was whether the Russian leader was as adept at smoothing relations with Bush as he was at outsmarting the fish.”
-GSD
Completely off-topic but worth thinking about:
In the wake of the “terror” attacks in Britain, the Fox affiliate here in the NY metro area has started showing pictures of cops at the airports armed with automatic weapons and has been asking people if they feel safer with an armed presence, not only within the airport on Port Authority territory, but in the surrounding streets, within the jurisdiction of the NYPD. The overwhelming response has been, “Of course I feel safer. It’s gonna take some getting used to ,seeing cops armed with these weapons, but I feel safer.”
And that’s the point. Slowly, quietly, there will be an increased presence of heavily armed cops, possibly troops in the streets, ostensibly because of the events in Britain, which, I believe were manipulated to send a subliminal message to America: Don’t change horses in the middle of a stream. Stay the course. Look, terrorism in Britain just after Blair stepped down. Trust Bush.”
Call me paranoid (others have) but I don’t like the idea of a media outlet trying to get people to feel comfortable about armed troops in the street.
It’s a prelude to martial law without a shot being fired.
If someone wanted to try to make “conservative” a bad word- or at least cause every conservative to have to spend half of their time explaining that they aren’t “That Kind” of conservative- well the time is now! Could make “liberal” sound pretty good.
UK appears to be goin through paranoia inducing police measures. That’ll warm em up to Iraq eh?
Hugh @ 51
My take is that the “nitpicking” ruling was pushback from the military. I get the feeling that the military finds these tribunals both distasteful and dishonorable.
Kinda OT, but…more of this Sen. Reid!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/dem…..nxnATq188F
RevDeb @ 36
well, my view is, Kennedy must have some kind of principles to be a swing vote in the first place — and the situation with gitmo may just have pushed him too far. We can assume he knows the “rumors” about how it is only the pure evil of cheney that is resisting the momentum to shut it down.
quite so — “no man is above the law. . .”
that is what senator patrick
leahy said — on MTP yesterday.
my immensely-distilled, 2:47-long
video clip of highlights is
particularly apt here. . .
i’ve even edited out all images
of the timmmmmmeh!
p e a c e
Not to change the subject or anything, but beings how there hasn’t been much coverage on this topic, our Congressional Leaders want a cost-of-living increase of 2.7%, or (on average) $4,400.
I’m wondering if this includes those convicted criminals, who also happen to be pension receiving ex-congressmen (ie Duke Cunningham)?
Political seats should not be career opportunities! And if the last of our citizens are not receiving pensions of some sort, nor should our Congressional leaders.
The article also mentions providing lucrative salaries for our ‘leaders’ to guard against the wealthy securing these seats, and I say, “who are they kidding”? Isn’t that who decides the elections (via advertising $’s and lobbyists) and why they’re running. How else can ‘a commoner’ afford a weekend Scotland golfing trip?
O.K., I’m done. Thanks!
Glenn Greenwald has a piece up about the newest push to tie Iran to Iraq firmly, just like was done with Al Qaeda and Saddam in the run-up.
Plus all the whoring of the thpectacular terrrrist attacks this summer.
Funny, US officials are reporting “heavy chatter” like pre-9/11 but no elevation the candy-colored code bar?
-GSD
The legal foundation of this country is bein rewritten on the fly by an idiot with attention deficit disorder who was rejected for admission to the University of Texas law school.
Hugh @ 51
incompetence is highly underrated.
either that, or we have a Brett Tolman on our side…
Libby ruled AGAINST!!
LS @ 68
What, what, what?
-GSD
SNAFU FUBAR = BOHICA!
Senators and congresscritters should probably make $200k- maintaining two households and doing the entertaining that they need to do probably requires it- but if we don’t give it to em- they’ll beg or steal it anyway. Kinda like mexican cops.
GSD @ 69
CNN Appeals court ruled against Libby. He’s gonna be wearing the numbers, unless he gets pardoned.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 47
We would likely be swapping a DINO for a wingnut but I suppose that’s a fair trade from Texas. I may be unfair to him but that is my first impression.
I’m lazy. How about a link?
im4mary, there was an article yesterday, (can’t remember where) about the pay raises and they painted the Dem party as being “old guard” v. “new guard” and the new guard was very unhappy about the pay raises. I couldn’t agree more. I will be watching this internal fight very closely and am rooting for the new guard. The old guard drove me from the party, the new guard could win me back.
Chimpy’s gonna have to chat with a few more historians about what’ll happen if he pardon’s the Libster.
-GSD
Well, see Christy is right. The rule of law will prevail. This is great news.
johnSwifty @ 52
JohnSwifty, I suspected as much. I’m in a mean mood these past two weeks with not much of a sense of humor. I have a nasty case of shingles (left over childhood disease coming back to haunt me) then had a nasty reaction to the medication. So, I am in PAIN. If I had a punching bag in front of me I’d punch it out. (Shame, shame, QuakerGirl!)
Pain is a hard reminder of the terrible suffering of others who have far less resources than I have.
I agree with shining the white hot light on what is happening. It took one small child to say the emperor has no clothes and the blinding light exposed the truth.
LS @ 72
See, you guys? There IS hope for the federal judiciary after all!!
So is there another level of “emergency appeal” for ol Libby, Libby, Libby- on the Label, Label, Label? (Potted Meat Product).
GSD @ 69
CNN Header
Libby ruling: All right!!!
I’m surprised the Supremes agreed to hear these cases & wonder if Kennedy made a deal with the Devil. Could he have swung right in order to get the Gitmo cases heard? Does the court work this way?
Whoops. Me at 70. There’s no plus sign in here. SNAFU plus FUBAR equals BOHICA! Case in point.
Friends who live in Mexico tell me that many towns don’t pay the police anything at all- they are expected to “make do” and they DO.
LS @ 25
Did you see Leahy on MTP? Are, at least hear about it? What are your thoughts on a congressional vote on contemp of congress being prosecuted by the US Attorney?
Maybe I’m just dreaming.
rwcole @ 80
I think the next step may be an appeal to the Supremes — not sure on that though…
BTW Glenn Greenwald is up. He is slamming an article by Michael Gordon. Gee, that means I won’t have to. It’s typical Gordon stuff, treating supposition and unsubstantiated charges as well founded facts. After Judy Miller’s departure, Gordon remains the premier practitiioner of access reporting on the foreign policy scene. Let him have a week or two on special assignment in Iraq, let him have an interview with a general or two, and he is willing to say the earth’s center is made of marshmallow candy or that Iran is responsible for our failures in Iraq.
rwcole @ 70
From what I can see, that’s what they’re doing now! Then, when they’ve been convicted of violating the US laws, they still receive our tax dollars to live on! That’s just the ones who get caught! How many have received ‘gifts’ and other luxurious bene’s and continue to walk free? Tom DeLay, for starters?
If our leaders weren’t living in high status before they took office, they sure do live the high life during and after! The majority of us would give our eyeteeth just to have a guaranteed pension of their least! Their pensions should be restricted to the amount Americans receive in Social Security. Heck, that’s what their salary should be! Maybe then they’d begin to understand what a fixed income really means!
rwcole @ 80
I defer to Marcy, but I think he’s got a shot with the full appeals court before he goes to the Supremes.
OT – Anatol Lieven on cspan – speaking about pakistan now.
On top of all his other misdeeds, our Harvard MBA is wasting tens of millions of dollars or more in setting up and defending these CSRT’s and related proceedings essentially in order to hide his mistakes. The buyers of Harkin Energy got off cheap by comparison.
One of the most important aspects of the impeachment, trial and conviction of Mr. Bush would be to expose his crimes and make him pay some of this back. That would put his infatuation with hugely unfair tax cuts – designed to keep the tax man off his family trust funds (as well as all others similarly situated) – in proper perspective.
Impeachment or no, one of the grisly tasks of his successor will be to evaluate his misdeeds, including his prisoner detentions in Gitmo, and compensate those unfairly wronged. For many of these men, that must include a right of permanent abode in the US, since they are so badly damaged few other countries will take them.
demi @ 86
Yes, I read about it actually. I think I read, maybe here, that the US Attorney right now, was one of the interim USAs that DOJ put in. Apparently, his days as interim are running out. Once his days run out, then I wonder what would happen. In light of the weak no confidence vote in Congress…I just have no idea how this could play out.
Here’s the link for the Libby news.libby
A bit of a dissappointment. A whole sentence.
Brisingamen @ 87
But, aren’t they recessed now through October? Wouldn’t he still have to report to prison pending any other appeals?
And, with this affirmation of the judicial process, does anyone here feel Leahy can take a contempt vote to the US Attorney?
james @ 57
It’s all in the plan! The NeoCons will not (may I repeat, WILL NOT) let go of power. The steps are so obvious, incremental, just like Natzi Germany and the people agreed it was for their safety. I used to count on my parents being the watch dogs. Now I am the watch dog. We are strength in numbers.
BREAKING NEWS: Libby denied bond pending appeal by the three judge panel. Fresh thread up and running on it.
As I understand it, THIS appeal was just to over rule Walton’s decision to put him in the slammer pending the appeal of the conviction. Obviously- there isn’t much time for further appeals on that front- as the cops are warming up a jail cell for him now.
If this is it- and I suspect it is- then Clusterfuck will have to decide soon whether to keep his loyal attack dog out of the hoosecow.
We should remember that history has been kinder to Winston Churchill than his contemporaries. When the War ended, the British people booted him to the curb — in large part because of fantasies of Empire.
India and the rest of the colonies were demanding independence, but acted like the old woman with a broom, trying to sweep back the tides of history.
For Churchill, that whole “practice what we preach” thingy didn’t apply to Britannia Rex.
im4mary @ 89
Apologies in advance, this is a former Social Security Administration employee rant:
Social Security was NEVER meant to be a retiree’s sole income. The potential SS beneficiary was supposed to be working for an employer that had a pension program, and was expected to have some savings for retirement purposes as well.
The Republicans have allowed many companies to welsh on their pension promises. I agree that this is NOT the employees fault.
Many employees are guilty of not using 401(k) plans and IRAs to their maximum benefit. If your not contributing to an IRA or 401(k), start. Even $5 a paycheck is better than doing nothing.
People, YOU are responsible for your financial security. If you’re making money, you should be putting some of it away for a rainy day. I’m getting tired of those who play grasshopper and then cry that “Social Security doesn’t pay enough.”
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress.
Brisingiman @ 100
To a degree, I agree with you. Many Americans have squandered what ever wealth they may have accumulated by their own ‘gotta have it now’ attitude, with consequential astronomical debt.
But, that doesn’t apply to a growing number of Americans who are working at least 2 minimum wage jobs just to pay the rent, utilities, and other basic necessities. Many people literally can’t afford to have a savings account. And for what? Less than 1% annual compound interest? We’re losing money! Who’s making it? Hmmmmm, those we elected? Damn but they’ve got it made! And on the backs of hardworking Americans who struggle to pay their taxes, let alone trying to save money!
That’s not even touching the millions of lost jobs many have sustained from international outsourcing!
We are living in an upside-down world. You can guess that the only thing that really trickles down is s***!
On top of all his other misdeeds, our Harvard MBA is wasting tens of millions of dollars or more in setting up and defending these CSRT’s and related proceedings essentially in order to hide his mistakes. The buyers of Harkin Energy got off cheap by comparison.
One of the most important aspects of the impeachment, trial and conviction of Mr. Bush would be to expose his crimes and make him pay some of this back. That would put his infatuation with hugely unfair tax cuts – designed to keep the tax man off his family trust funds (as well as all others similarly situated) – in proper perspective.
Impeachment or no, one of the grisly tasks of his successor will be to evaluate his misdeeds, including his prisoner detentions in Gitmo, and compensate those unfairly wronged. For many of these men, that must include a right of permanent abode in the US, since they are so badly damaged few other countries will take them.
Christy:
Let me direct you to another confrontation Alice has with the White Queen.
“Now you take the Knave,” said the Queen. “He’s in jail now, being punished, and the trial doesn’t even start until next week, and of course, the crime comes last of all.”
“But what if he never commits the crime?”
“Well, that would be all the better, wouldn’t it…..better and better, and better.”
That, I think is what the thugs in Washington want.
QuakerGirl @ 26
Surprisingly, even Captain Kirk got this right. Speaking of our barbaric natture, “We just have to tell ourselves ‘We will not kill today’”.
“They hate us for our freedoms.”
Not any more. BushCo. took them away…