Late last night CNN started hyping an “exclusive” report claiming Hezbollah involvement in Iraq – at the behest of the Iranians. Michael Ware was the reporter and his sole sources were “US Intelligence.” This morning, we learned the tale was not so “exclusive” since our old friend Michael Gordon ( Judy’s pal at the New York Times) had apparently gotten the same info from a new, fresh-out-of-the-White-House US military briefer – General Bergner*.
The story they are spinning claims that Iran has sent Hezbollah to Iraq to attack Americans. CNN used lots of “scary pictures” of Hezbollah to remind us to be very afraid once again – and Gordon, as Glenn Greenwald notes today, did his best impression of a Pentagon pitchman moonlighting as a journalist:
… one “learns” that Iran is also arming Shiite militias in Iraq though its proxy, Hezbollah, and that “Iranian officials have helped plan operations against American troops in Iraq and have had advance knowledge of specific attacks that have led to the death of American soldiers.”
These are quite extraordinary claims the NYT is publishing, as they amount to an accusation that the Iranian Government, at its highest levels, is directing fatal attacks on American troops in Iraq, which constitutes, of course, an act of war. As Gordon himself points out: “In effect, American officials are charging that Iran has been engaged in a proxy war against American forces for years.”
So what’s the point of all this hype and hoopla? We’re clearly watching the next stage in the run-up to war with Iran – and I’m guessing we’re also seeing an attempt to build support for another Israeli attack on Lebanon couched in “take out the terrorist Hezbollah” lingo. All of which must make Joe Lieberman very happy indeed.
In the midst of all this so-called reporting, no one bothered to mention that – while there may be some Hezbollah trainers in Iraq, Nasrallah focuses on Lebanon and does not simply take orders from Iran – nor that the most friendly to Iran forces are not al Sadr’s (as portrayed in the CNN report) but the Badr Corps run by George Bush’s pals in SCIRI nor that Hizbollah in Iraq is not the same organization as Hezbollah.
But these gaps are not at all surprising considering the disastrous state of US military intelligence as described in a very important post by Col Pat Lang this weekend on Military Intelligence Failure in Iraq.
(h/t to *Bernhard on this – his Moon of Alabama has been a haven for those of us who miss all-night Billmon discussions – and to Scarecrow and markfromireland.)



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Hi Siun.
Hi y’all.
Billmon, where art thou?
hey Busted … and Tommy, I sure miss Billmon too!
Thank you Siun.
Hey Egregious!
I saw the CNN piece last night and it just made my skin crawl … Glenn’s piece is superb and it’s good to see the whole tale getting some skeptical responses.
Hi tommy,
Oh yes, I’d love to know what Billmon would have to say.
I feel like it’s the Cold War all over again–only now I’m the one who doesn’t believe most of what I hear on TV or read in the news. Only samizdat and humor, very black humor.
If “they” want war in Iran, “they” better pony up their ‘of age’ family members to be in the lead brigade.
“They” are so wanting to start WWIII and see the end of the world as we know it. Nothing to make it a better place, just kill the “other”.
We are at war with Middleastasia.
We have always been at war with Middleastasia.
It isn’t clear that we have anything to attack Iran WITH. We can bomb of course- but we don’t really know where everything is- and although we’d do plenty of damage- there would be no follow up. Bombing alone doesn’t work
The Cheney Administration does not have enough blood on its hands already?
They are monsters.
Hey, isn’t that Adam Kokesh?
Why are our enemies SO DAMNED HOT?!!??!!
christine @ 7
You mean the Lieberkinder? And Jenna and Not-Jenna and George P? And Mary Chee-knee–they do take single moms in the military….
How long until Darth Cheney pops up on Brit Hume pointing to Gordon’s article in the New York Times citing “proof of Iranian involvement in the deaths of US troops?” Will it be this holiday week?
The American people are having the game of competitive intelligence played on us — again.
Will Cheney/Bush need to come to congress for permission to invade Iran?
comsympinko @ 8
Why do you think the Daily Show refers to it as Mess’opatamia?
There is a message in this Senator Clinton. And that message is quite simple. Only two words. Iraq. Iran.
WASHINGTON — Republican John McCain reorganized his campaign Monday, cutting staff in every department as he raised just $11.2 million in the last three months and reported an abysmal $2 million cash on hand for his presidential bid.
Once considered the front-runner for the GOP nomination, McCain trails top Republican rivals in money and polls.
Leaders of my party. Start hammering Bush with Iraq.
Prairie Sunshine @ 12
Yep, they be the ones. Along with the 28%ers and anyone else that believes in this Administrations policies.
Did’nt China aid the North Vietnamese with arms and technical help during the Vietnam war? We never went to war or invaded China. It seems the US helped the Afgans with arms and technical help when the Russians invaded Afganistan. Russia never invaded or went to war with the US as a result. Does Iran-Contra figure into this as well? I agree there is alot of propoganda toward the case for invading Iran but it does’nt mean it’s inevetible, but with a president like Bush in power who knows. I watched a documentry on the history channel last night all about the Cuban Missile Crisis and after that it’s a wonder any of us are here today to discuss our current crisis.
Drive by …
One thing you have to keep in mind when talking about Hezbollah, is their origin. And, that there was no such thing as Hezbollah, until the IDF supported and/or created the South Lebanese Army which was used as an intermediary and proxy for the IDF against the Palestinians
It makes me sick that a Joe Leiberman could ever have so much power.
That is sad.
He’s the visage of A*I*P*A*C.
I saw this at Josh today BBC vs. CNN
The time has come Democrats. Pull no punches. Do the job we elected you to do last fall. I mean it!
Milan River @ 14
I’m willing to lay bets that Bush will use the ‘authorization to use force’ bill passed for Iraq as a basis for going into Iran. Being that what is happening from Iran is a direct result/extension of what was the causation to go into Iraq.
Iraqi junior doctor and a brilliant neurologist working for the NHS are among the suspects being quizzed over the series of bomb attacks across Britain, it emerged today.
The news came as it emerged that an eighth person has been arrested in the terror enquiry.
Details of the suspects were revealed as police staged a controlled explosion at a hospital near Glasgow today.
The junior doctor has been named as Bilal Abdulla, who is said to have completed his medical training in Baghdad.
The suspected ringleader of the Al Qaeda car bombers is a brilliant neurologist working for the NHS.
Saudi Mohammed Asha, 26, was arrested with his 27-year-old wife, who was in traditional Muslim dress, on the M6 in Cheshire on Saturday night.
(The use of Al Queda in this story is quite likely a total flight of fancy- there has been no proof offered that Al Queda had anything to do with this- and in fact “Al Queda” is becoming just another word for “middleeastern terrorist”)
President Gore will make the difference.
Lieberman should take some time in the future and read Tom Seveg. He is trully the voice of reason when it comes to peace and security in Israel. And quit trying to drag the US into wars that would ruin this country.
And as much as I respect the NYT, it leans right when issues of “security” for Israel are concerned.
And I can’t help but think that the coordinated attacks in Britain over the weekend are directly linked to Gordon Brown taking office. No matter what side of the political spectrum one falls, terrorist cells are indeed active and dangerous. I think there is some concerted effort on their part to force Brown’s hand. He has said that there will be a shift in priorities once he enters office.
Um – via a new MSNBC/AP story, the military hospital in Balad where combat casualties are triaged, stabilized and transported to Landstuhl, has been entirely rebuilt as a permanent and enormous facility, staffed by a combo of Air Force and Army personnel. I just blogged about it because it seems as if the medical commander was all too happy to speak about it as a sign of the permanence of the US military. Balad is a perfect staging area, too, if one was to – er – invade Iran.
Seymour Hersh reported more than a year ago that the war against Hezbollah was trial run on how the administration would attack Iran.
Al Gore: A new kind of President.
AP – Live Earth is ambitious by any standard: eight concerts featuring the biggest names in music, playing for a 24-hour period across the globe, all for the cause of global warming.
Real Time @ 29
Yep. And exactly what could they have learned from that catastrophe? Wow.
Power of the pen. The organization formally known as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) is no longer revolutionary and is now the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SIIC).
newtonusr @ 31
That’s right. It would be ugly. But that didn’t stop W and Shooter from heeding numerous voices of reason to avoid attacking Iraq.
This kind of stuff enables my anger. Toward our government and another government.
“The story they are spinning claims that Iran has sent Hezbollah to Iraq to attack Americans.”
From Larry Johnson:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m……html#more
So where do we stand? Maybe it is time to give Tony Blair and George Bush some credit for a solid achievement in the war on terror–the current lot of muslim extremists in the UK had major problems building a reliable, effective incendiary device. Is Al Qaeda on the decline? Remember when they could do a simultaneous bomb attack in Kenya and Tanzania? And now? They could only torch one Land Rover and part of the overhang at Glasgow’s International Airport.
Looks like we have yuppie Muslims who, despite a medical education, don’t understand fundamentals about how to build and detonate quality improvised explosives. They obviously spent all of their cash on the Mercedes and neglected to sign up for the suicide bomber course. Thank your deity or religious object of affection for their fecklessness. Or, thank your lucky stars.”
snip
“And what is the media focusing on? Not the two American soldiers who died today in Iraq. Not the hundreds of Iraqis killed and wounded by real terrorist attacks. Nope. They are furiously hyping two cars that did not burn or explode and one car that, while on fire, crashed into a trash can. No one died, but several in the media are fanning the flames of fear. Osama Bin Laden does not need a press agent. Hell no. He can just squat on his rug in Pakistan and let CNN, MSNBC, and FOX blather on endlessly hyping the capabilities of Al Qaeda.”
If we atack Iran, the media will be accomplices.
newtonusr @ 31
I learned our congress will vote to provide endless amounts of cluster bombs to be used on civilians.
Who’s leading where it counts?
Three new American Research Group statewide surveys of likely voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina (conducted 6/26 through 6/30) find:
Among 600 Iowa Democrats, Sen. Hillary Clinton edges out former Sen. John Edwards (32% to 29%) in a statewide caucus; among 600 republicans, former Gov. Mitt Romney leads former Mayor Rudy Giuliani 25% to 18%.
Among 600 New Hampshire Democrats, Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama 34% to 25%; among 600 Republicans, Romney leads Sen. John McCain 27% to 21%.
Among 600 Democrats in South Carolina, Clinton leads Edwards 37% to 22%; among 600 Republicans, McCain edges out Giuliani 23% to 22%.
marshen @ 19
China and the Soviet Union supplied North Vietnam and the VC.
It’s certainly possible that Iran is playing a role in Iraq- they would certainly consider it inside their sphere of influence.
Real Time @ 27
I’m not sure the same guys pulling this stuff in London and Glasgow constitutes a “coordinated” attack.
If a formidable opponent aids your enemy- you might let it pass. If a pissant country does it- you bomb the holy living shit out of em.
Michael Ware on CNN talking about Hezbolla in Iraq.
raven @ 40
Yeah, that may be true, but I still think whoever, if anyone, is calling “the shots” want to force the UK’s hand in supporting the “war on terror.”
mc @ 35
Just as they are in Iraq.
OT
Am I hallucinating? Sharpton is moderating Hardball & so far the guests have been Howard Dean & Terry MaCauliff. So far no Coulter or Buchanan in sight.
What is really scary about this whole Iran business is that Iran has a very large secular society, well-educated and moderate, where unfortunately the only voices that are being heard are the ones on the lunatic fringe–Sound familiar? We go after Iran, and this moderate majority mobolize against us, it would make Iraq look like a success.
Yeah, that may be true, but I still think whoever, if anyone, is calling “the shots” want to force the UK’s hand in supporting the “war on terror.”
Agreed. I wonder, given the apparent backgrounds of these dudes if someone back home hasn’t forced them to do this by threatening their families. This is a totally unsubstantiated idea that just crossed my addled mind.
tbsa @ 44
Bombs=ratings.
newtonusr @ 31
What they learned is that apparently no one will stop them – torture, illegal wars, you name it … blank check in the mail once again.
My first response when I saw that news was – that’s ridiculous. It’s theoretically possible, but totally unnecessary.
It’s also notable that none of the stories ever mentions the documented efforts by the US to destabilize Iran through provocation by the military, border and clandestine incursions, support of terrorists operating within Iran, propaganda of all sorts, and trying to stir up the populace to overthrow their elected government.
When does the US intend to release the 5 Iranians, who were there at the request of the Iraqi Provincial Governor and allegedly had diplomatic immunity, that they kidnapped six months ago
Hezbollah needs to attend to its’ knitting in Lebanon, as the Israeli’s have been pounding the war drums ever since they stopped dropping cluster munitions in playgrounds.
The Iranian’s could simply invite Iraqis over to visit and train them there.
Arms can be acquired inside Iran and sold to Iraqi’s without the approval of the Iranian government.
The US has 2, maybe 3 air craft carrier groups doing maneuvers off the Iranian coast.
In general the Iranian’s seems to be behaving with remarkable restraint. Ahmadinejad might talk a good game, but there isn’t a whole lot behind it.
I agree that the Israeli’s would probably like the US eviscerate Iran’s infrastructure, so Iran can’t focus as much on tweaking Israel.
The neocons and administration deadenders also see the advantage in the attack, since it will change the subject from their abject failure regarding Iraq and al Qaeda. Only to provide a far greater disaster they won’t be able to cope with.
The US has lots of spare airplanes, submarines, bombs and missiles to toss at Iran. But they don’t have a soldier to spare. Any attack of of Iran and the 60% of Iraq that’s Shia starts taking hostages. Destroying Iran’s infrastructure will only increase the publics support for their government. Oil at $70 a barrel will suddenly seem like it was a gift.
Attacking Iran is a bold gambit that immediately leads to the US being checkmated. And ultimately it doesn’t improve much of anything for Israel, besides a short pause Israel could get peace if it genuinely offered peace, it just wants a better deal..
Billmon’s voice would be good. So would Steve Gilliard’s take.
Let me see if I get this straight. It’s not okay for Iran to meddle in Middle East affairs, but the U.S. can do what it wants anywhere, anytime? And beside that, our government practically handed Iraq to the Iranian Shiites when we brought Sadaam down.
Great post, siun. We have to call these people on this crap every step of the way.
Jon – brilliant comment! you put all the right bits together – thank you!
And the Israeli government is constantly stirring the pot.
lying sack o’ shite, Duncan Hunter on Hardball is defending Ann Coulter.
Pach – thanks! we do need to call them … and I really hope folks will read Col Pat Lang’s piece … the idea that mil intel is soooo broken sure tells us a lot.
That fellow who knew not to roll out new product in August — Andy Card — doesn’t work in the White House anymore. I wonder if that marketing rule no longer applies?
christine @ 23
Then it needs to be de-authorized. Now.
Real Time @ 43
So maybe these bombs never were intended to go off. Could they have been put in play by people on supposedly on “our side” interested in getting Britain to join Bush and Isr*el in an attack on Iran.
In general the Iranian’s seems to be behaving with remarkable restraint. Ahmadinejad might talk a good game, but there isn’t a whole lot behind it.
Yep, because I think he has a very small minority of support in Iran for him. If we attack, I think it will mobolize the moderates behind him. This administration is going to pull out the ol’ “they’ll greet us as liberators” schtick, though. ugh.
I am dubious that dubya is goin ta do a doobie on Iran- but what the hell- who knows. If he wants to do it- he will argue AFTER the fact that the present authorization of force allows it- and it will be way too late to stop him.
OldCoastie @ 55
Right on. It’s bound to keep that 26% in their corner.
The Republicans are still behaving like they won in 2006.
-GSD
Richmond @ 59
That quote is taken completely out of context, Richmond.
Richmond @ 59
It’s just hard for me to believe that someone smart enough to be a doctor would be stupid enough to think that the rigs they had were going to do anything. . .other than scare the shit out of people who are scared already
Real Time @ 60
That is exactly what the AEI War Chorus has been saying. They were dancing on their chairs last week when the Iranians torched a few gas stations.
They have been consistently wrong on everything and now they claim that the Iranian ’street’ will overthrow the Mullahs at the sight of the first cruise missile.
Chimpy better read some history books about his war in Iraq. Perhaps he can start with Fiasco.
-GSD
Each time we talk about attacking Iran, we say “but we don’t have the troops” … yet each time Faux and crew discuss it, they focus on the 200 sites that will be carpet bombed …
I think it’s a mistake to think that George has any particular interest in actually fighting a regular war on Iran when instead he can just plan on bombing it to shreds … (which we are doing in Baghdad now)
Not to mention that bombing Iran (or attacking the Iranian oil fields) would piss off all the neighbors and China, who is holding a whole lot of our national debt, and buys oil from Iran.
Imports from China would go bye-bye, and China is W*lm*rt’s main supplier (not the only one buying from the Chinese, but the biggest single one). There goes the GOP’s base ….
Maybe these alleged UK/terrorist-doctors went to Islamic equivalent of Regent University.
-GSD
raven @ 64
Yeah, but the quote about “rigging the bombs” is not mine, but Richmond’s. It was placed before my response to you.
Regardless of whether the bombs were made properly or not, I think it was an attemtp to force Brown’s hand. period.
[Requotes repaired by moderator]
Thanks some more Siun!
What is the Administration’s REAL reason for attacking Iran? what will they get out of it?
I am completely absolutely opposed to actual terrorism (insert here all the caveats about the mis-use of that word) but I wonder how any of us would react if our families were treated as the Iraqis have been. Remember that destroyed infrastructure means no electricity means no clean water in 120 degree heat … plus no medical care, extremely limited access to food (and bombings at the markets where you try to get food) and nightly air strikes on your neighborhoods – followed by foreign troops kicking in your door, smashing your belongings and deliberately throwing your food supplies on the floor … which you cannot replace until the next ration card because there are no jobs.
rather guaranteed to cause a reaction …
GSD @ 65
You bet. If this administration had not invaded Iraq under false pretenses, took to business in Afganistan, and had any shred of reputation left, THEN MAYBE the moderates would go to work on the mullahs. But not anymore.
late to the party… but just gotta say thank you, siun, for this.
GSD @ 68
But we also don’t know if it was these guys. Remember earlier London bombings, it was later documented that the wrong guy was taken down. It seems a little bit like the JFK airport scare (except here with drama) – and the earlier US anthrax mailings. (If the doers of the latter deeds were really on the “wrong” side of the law, they would have been discovered and prosecuted by now).
What also is notable in this is that when Isr*el tried earlier to cluster bomb Hezbolah out of Lebanon it back fired. They lost, hence the General’s recent reprimand. What ever they are planning for Iran will have to be big, multi-lateral and ugly for it to work without backfiring on Isr*el.
This is a great way of ensuring that 160,000 US troops get hacked smashed bombed and mutilated what wont happen to them is being taken hostage. Dead hostage is a contradiction in terms.
It’ll also ensure that the green zone is overrun
Then there are the sunburn missiles, the tor1’s of which they have taken delivery and the floor rising mines.
All in all not bad for a “piss ant” little country.
To the person who talked about Balad – forget about Balad as a staging post – as I’ve remarked here before, look at a map. Not through that terrain and not after the Iranians staged Operation Zhulfqifar so successfully a few months ago.
Dad says hi from Baghdad Siun. I was on to him earlier.
Edit:
I can not say this often enough and neither can you :-) it’s not Ahmadinejad you need to listen to he has zero power over the military who has that is Ayatollah Khamenei , the epxediency council, and the council of guardians.
ah Selise … not late at all!
and thanks Elliot!
Anyone besides me having a hard time believing that the incidents in Britain this weekend were what they are being portrayed as and were done by who the folks they are attributed to?
Does anyone think the latest “surge” was not only meant for Iraq, but to build up troops covertly to cross the border into Iran sometime soon?
Siun @ 72
I am with you. Then you realize your life there is over, and you leave (that is happening as well, with the women turning to prostitution to support themselves – thanks to the un-moral majority here.)
Du – thank you for coming by! and give your dad a wave from me.
An attack on Iran would be insane … but that seems to describe our approach these days.
With your familiarity with Lebanon, anything you’d like to add on the current Hezbollah tales that our MSM is hyping today?
Sorry to go OT, but i was out at the movies (I saw “SiCKO” – highly recommended, even though it is depressing at times). I just saw Christy’s post about how Scooter “jailbird” Libby was denied bail on appeal. Big WOOT.
OK, back on topic – I’m not sure our Prez has the balls to invade Iran. The military will be so against it – we don’t have the staff nor the equipment. I think the public really will go over the tipping point if Bush tries to invade another country. I think Siun is more correct – if we do go at them, we’ll just bomb them and start yet another international crisis.
Ugh. now I’m really depressed. Where’s the chocolate?
Siun @ 66
Over a year ago, representatives of Feinstein and Boxer countered our concerns about War on Iran by saying our Army was overextended and couldn’t be used to invade. We were told that the President would never do this.
We responded that none of us expected the Army to invade — that the Air Force wanted another shock-and-awe episode and that carpet-bombing seemed the plan. We also said the Navy wants its war as well. We were met with skepticism, to say the least.
We were right then and we are more right now.
No one thinks the Army will be used in the War on Iran for anything but post-apocalyptic cleanup duties. This is an air war launched from bases and carriers. It’s the Navy’s war — why do you think an Admiral runs CentCom and an Admiral’s been nominated for CJS?
i guess i figure Michael “fucking” Gordon will write whatever his neocon budies tell him to write. but, i still can’t figure out why congress seems to have caved. hard to picture military-types pushing back on cheney’s iran adventure when if congress gets behind it too.
Land of the Free – George and crew have been removing military leadership who aren’t keen on attacking Iran – even Pace (who is despicable himself) said that Iran was not a problem in Iraq (see Greenwald’s piece for more on that)
Barbara Bush saying condoms are “absolutely essential” to fight Aids in Africa. There goes the “base”!
BREAKING: Scooter walks.
BUSH COMMUTES LIBBY’S SENTENCE
Bush jsut comuted Libby’s sentence on Hardball.
Bush just commuted Libby’s sentence, per MSNBC
Real Time @ 79
It is at least an interesting coincidence. Even the military leaders and Josh Bolten didn’t seem to understand the reason for the surge. I’d like to think it was just to flex a little muscle, to scare Iran (including sending the ships there). Meanwhile, our soldiers can sit in the desert and be vulnerable until Bush decides what exactly he can get away with.
Ok, I really need that chocolate now.
Are you serious??
OMG-Bush commuted Scooter’s sentence? They will do anything. Now I’m really scared.
Damn you have to be quick around here.
Fucking sickening.
This nation is done for.
-GSD
Bush just commuted Libby’s sentence, no prison. CNN/AP
I hate Republicans, listen to the idiot defend Scooter.
Fozzetti @ 71
For one thing, the price of oil will go right through the roof (it already has, but the even higher roof). And all Cheney’s buddies will get even richer.
I don’t that’s a bug, that’s a feature.
Big Mitch @ 90
Here we fucking go.
Impeachment anyone?
Libby’s sentence commuted by W
oh my F’ing word!
I don’t believe this!
AnnieW @ 97
R. Emmett Tyrell made a career of trucking in the most despicable rumors about Bill Clinton.
-GSD
Unfuckingbelievable! Truly speechless. I want heads to roll.
Christy is working on this as we type … give us a few minutes gang
Oh.My.God.
OldCoastie @ 101
I am actually crying. I am going to scream as soon as a gooper starts talking about “moving on” and “healing”
Outfuckingrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, everybody should just break every f’ing law just like they do!!!!
IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow… I’m so disgusted I can’t believe it.
ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!!!
Stats via wikipedia on the Iran Iraq war.
Casualties
Est. Iranian 500,000 soldiers/militia/civilians killed or wounded Est. Iraqi 375,000 soldiers/militia/civilians killed or wounded
The (un)law and (dis)order party of the (un)moral majority. And the f’ing dems won’t hold them accountable! Count me as disgusted.
Why is anyone suprised?
What everyone else said…I just don’t have the words.
We live in a monarchy. Don’t even think for a moment that if you are not the less than 1% of people in power/associated with the current administration, you are a serf.
The only thing that is unbelievable is that anyone thinks this is unbelievable.
HOLY shit
Scooter should not be able to walk into any place without being loudly booed.
CRIMINALS ARE RULING OUR COUNTRY!!
THEY ARE NOT LEAVING!!!
I KNOW I’M SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!
I DON’T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a crock of SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This vile man has never shown one wit of compassion for anyone except his friends.
Sickening.
-GSD
Commutation is the sneaky way out: no waiver of 5th amndt. rights if hauled in front of Congress, no admission of guilt. Scooter’s buddies pass the hat and pay the fine. He gets soft probation.
Toobin: Scooter getting ‘very special justice’.
Siun – yes, I’m unfortunately aware of how Bush has been stacking the deck, handpicking generals who will just rubberstamp what he wants so he can pretend he’s “following the advice of the generals on the ground”. I still think he’d face major, major blowback if he tries to create another premeditated war.
On Libby – what exactly does “commuted the sentence” acutally mean? Is it legally different than a pardon?
Where is poor Scooter ever going to find $250K?
Horrible, horrible. Any chance that the dems will finally try to do anything? I am simply dismayed.
UNFUCKINGBELIEVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I JUST HEARD!!!
THAT SON OF A BITCH !!!!!!!!!!!
We don’t need a thrid party. What we need is to clean up my Democratic Party. Democrats should be screaming their heads off about all this crap. Hell. My party can’t even summon the courage to deal with the likes of Lieberman. Pretty embarrassing to this Dem.
I’ve got to counter the nausea (Libby). I’m doing bills and I have been getting something from OXFAM for awhile.
Anyone know if this is a legit group before I send them off some money?
pseudonymous in nc @ 86
and doesn’t have to talk
Bring on the Wilson trial!!!!!!!!!!!
UN. FUCK. ING. BE. LIEVE. A. BLE.
I’m with Badwater – why is anyone surprised?
OTOH, I’m with everyone else and am feeling totally nauseated right this minute.
wow. just fucking wow.
no sense of shame from these fuckers.
cant wait for you lawyers to weigh in on the notion that this amounts to obstruction (as in nixons case)
landofthefree @ 122
According to the news it just keeps him out of the joint, everything else stands.
I thought Asswipe wasn’t going to get involved in an ongoing case? As far as I know there is still an Appeal before the Court. Goddamn I hate these motherfuckers.
Siun @ 104
Thanks, as always.
Dover Bitch @ 123
Ah, that’s a quarter of his advance from Murdoch for an exclusive.
-GSD
I AM SOOOOOOOO DISGUSTED _ WHERE ARE THE DEMS????????????
Can other indictments happen now?
Can anything become unsealed now?
ReneND Oxfam are one of them reputable charites in the world
landofthefree @ 122
A pardon completely wipes the slate clean. In this case, Bush just said he doesn’t go to prison. He still has the conviction, loses his law license, is on probation and has to fork over $250K.
pseudonymous in nc @ 121
Yep
So they couldn’t buy the court this time.
ReneND @ 128
Oxfam is highly legit. Google them if you want to know more.
72% of Americans oppose this.
This will backfire!!!
All Repubs out of office.
I WANT EVERY DEMOCRAT WORTH HER HER HER OR HIS WIEGHT IN GOLD TO GET ON THE FRONT END OF THIS AND DENOUNCE IT.
Rene – Oxfam does very good work.
Oxfam is a good organization.
CNN analyst reports liberal view this will be seen as part of coverup of lying about the war.
Marathon, not sprint.
[Libby announcement]
Holy fucking shit!!!! You’ve got to be kidding me!!! IMPEACH!!!!!
HE IS STILL A FELON!!
I see this is already posted but HOLY CROW!!!
raw story is posting that the ap says the president commuted libby’s sentence
I feel very small
LS @ 144
Yea, till there is another attacks and the gutless motherfuckers in this country wet their pants and elect more of these punks.
Treason for a fee.
Time to go on the offense.
Scarecrow @ 148
well it is!
Sweet Jesus what does it take Dems. Lieberman oufoxes you on Lamont and raises money for Republican Collins. And he is still allowed to causus with my party!
Bush is a coward.
SOO THE JURY’S VERDICT MEANS….. NOT A FUCKING THING WHEN IT COMES TO BUSHCO ET AL JUST UNFUCKINGBELIEVEABLE!!!!
Please, all of you. Never, ever refer to Libby without calling him a convicted felon.
Please make that promise.
-GSD
I feel physically ill, though I’m not at all surprised.
This has to put the criminality of the whole GOP on the national agenda, even for the Democratic Party, such as it is in its legacy leadership class.
Well, one can hope. And, one can add. . . pressure.
This is insane.
What a typical chickenshit move…
So is “impeachment” on the table NOW???
Come on, Harry and Nancy – what the FUCK is it gonna take?
Where’s the Norkse Flamethrower?
raven @ 154
And you know what? Bush can STILL pardon him on his way out the door in January – can’t he? Anyone want to take any bets?
*xyz @ 156
Please give some suggestions how.
Most of the leaders of my party are pathetic.
And of course, the news is released while Bush is in transit from Maine to DC, and all the press pack is still in Kennebunkport. Though not late enough to miss the evening news.
They’ve set the stage for this all along … and since we have not tossed them out for all their other crimes – Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, destruction of Habeas, Katrina … why should they stop now or think they and their buddies should pay a price?
Of course, it would be a good time for the D’s to remember who sent them to DC but I sadly fear they will not.
Elliott @ 157
Damn right. This needs to be pointed out bigtime.
We need a really clear, concise description to the public of what kind of criminals these people are.
On OXFAM- Thanks everyone. I wanted the opinion of those I trust.
pseudonymous in nc @ 121
The “sneaky way” is the ONLY way these criminals know. Not an upright bone in their bodies.
Watch Kelly O’Donnells disdain at having to deal w/ Sharpton. Comical.
W T F????? THERE’S FUCKERY AFOOT IN THIS LAND!!!
PatVa @ 167
What would be the point? A pardon is and admission of guilt anywhay.
GSD @ 160
Disgraced convicted felon ; )
What happens when 2009 roles around and Shooter does not want to leave office? I am not being a drama queen here, but after all of the shit he has said/done, would it suprise you?!!!!
Anyone with a strong enough stomach willing to go and see what Faux is saying? I just can’t do it.
Tomorrow call your congressmen, senators and the white house flood the lines.
Jeeezus, Tucker is going to be excruciating today.
blue e @ 168
There will be a lot of suggestions. Stayed tuned to FDL.
If Bush decides to attack Iran, what do think the Democrats will do?
Here’s Josh Marshall’s take:
As you’ve no doubt already heard shouted from near every rooftop, President Bush has commuted Scooter Libby’s prison sentence. Specifically, the conviction stands — the fine and probation stand. Libby just doesn’t have to spend a day in prison.
Now, here’s the key to this.
There is a conceivable argument — a very poor one but a conceivable one — for pardoning Scooter Libby, presumably on the argument that the entire prosecution was political and thus illegitimate. But what conceivable argument does the president have for micromanaging the sentence? To decide that the conviction is appropriate, that probation is appropriate, that a substantial fine is appropriate — just no prison sentence.
This is being treated in the press as splitting the difference, an elegant compromise. But it is the least justifiable approach. The president has decided that the sentencing guidelines and the opinion of judge don’t cut it.
The only basis for this decision is that Libby is the vice president’s friend, the vice president rules the president and this was the minimum necessary to keep the man silent.
Bush just told three judges, one jury, and the American people that justice and the law no longer exist in America.
Does this mean its OK if I don’t feel like paying federal taxes anymore?
I’ve been following a story of an American diplomat who disappeared last week on Cyprus. The Cypriot police found his body “in a wooded area.” So I’m checking the Internets and find a website (The American Thinker) who has a piece suggesting it was the Iranian gov’t.
Ok, I’m off to listen to some music. Need to decompress…
Hey gang – we had a server hiccup … remember that the FDL facebook page will be a meeting point if the tour group gets separated at any time.
We think we have the problem solved …
Bush’ statement about Libby’s commutation
Milan River @ 185
Yea, give it a try. I’ll be right behiind you.
I am shocked, shocked that Tony Soprano just pardoned Paulie Walnuts. I did not know that criminals could pardon each other.
siun @ 0
Damn straight. They’ve completed the propaganda cycle. It began as claims of Iran allowing foreign fighters to cross its’ borders, then became Iran providing weapons & explosively-shaped-charge technology, and now culminates as Iranian regulars killing American troops.
It’s Cheney at the helm of an out-of-control military-industrial complex, an essentially idle U.S. Navy & Air Force itching for more action, and A*P*C attempting to play us again for it’s economic & security interests.
Someone needs to make it clear to these parties that if they launch on Iran, they’ll go straight to jail…that we won’t tolerate another war based on cooked up intell.
Hey Gang … Jane had a post already set up to talk about Libby … and Christy is on top of the commutation story …all above.
see you there!
How appropos, just before the 4th of July, a celebration of our Country and Freedoms and Laws.
A big FU from Duya to:
The House
The Senate
The American People
IMPEACH NOW!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 183
complain about how they could have done a better job of attacking iran?
IMO Scooter must have had some really damaging information about this war, going back to Cheney and Bush, that would impact our view of future invasions.
hat tip to me too ;-)
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