If you were to watch the elite punditocracy bloviating on the cable news shows you’d think that Scooter Libby’s liberation from justice would induce big sighs of relief on the part of the American public, but the reality seems to be quite different. According to a new SurveyUSA poll, people actually do care about this case and don’t like what has happened — 60% think Libby should serve his sentence. Only 21% agree with the President’s decision.
Contrary to the GOP talking point that Bush is playing to his base, he’s not. It’s clearly not about poll numbers. Bush is covering his own tracks and obstructing justice.
I know this will come as a complete shock to those in the Libby Lobby who think the rest of the country must agree with them that Scooter does indeed deserve to be above the law, but their over-representation on cable television does not seem to be carrying the day on this one.
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Zed
JANE!
Zed?
whoa
So close but yet so far.
I just participated in MSNBC’s poll, it’s sunk to 72% from 83%!!! WTF!!!
Libby should serve his sentence.
Bush 2000 Flashback:
“So when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of our land, I will swear to uphold the honor and dignity of the office to which I have been elected, so help me God.”
“In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right. Not just what the lawyers allow, but what the public deserves.”
For the history, see:
“Neither Right Nor Legal: Libby and the Bush 2000 Standard.”
And I say once again, it’s a sad day when Paris Hilton shows more respect for the law and legal system than the President of the United States shows
CTuttle @ 6
I voted on IE and on firefox.
Keep Voting your ANGER!
Do you agree with President Bush’s decision to commute former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s prison sentence?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570520/
93470 votes at 10:00pm
72% Against Bush!
Fitz!
So, sadly I just had to inform my husband that he’ll soon be out of a job since he works in corrections. Apparently, being convited is punishment enough and no one is going to be locked up any more. I think I just busted a vien in my forehead!
Jane: Heard you on Rachel’s show, you sounded great.
damned right we do!
Least we forget: The Rat Fink
AZ Matt @ 16
Do they mind having someone on staff who is always wrong?
looseheadprop @ 12
LHP – nice to see you. I was looking for you at 92 downstairs. Can you answer that?
From what I just read on the link below, Bush don’t have the power to commute sentence’s.
Please read and confirm or deny this posting.
Bush Commutes Libby’s Sentence
SnarKassandra @ 9
Gee, Cassie, has someone already taught you to vote early and often?
If you can do it, so are others. Or do you have to use a different browser, or a different computer each time you “vote”?
Hmmm. I voted, but only once.
Actually, the 72% sounds reasonable to me. Its about the same as Bush’s general disapproval ratings.
Bob in HI
AZ Matt @ 15
If Wolfowitz is a scholar, so is the cat who owns my house.
Kerri @ 12
Don’t worry Kerri – not having to face the consequences of your crimes only applies to Loyal Bushies. If your a DEM expect bogus charges to be filed and pursued – at least until January 09.
Bush doesn’t care about the polls. We’ve known that for a long time and this morning’s WaPoo puff piece on him only confirms that.
But the rest of the repigs should care about the polls. It’s their careers on the line.
Again, I think that Harry and Nancy need to call a special session of Congress on July 4, Independence Day and reaffirm the Constitution and rule of law.
I’m going to go find some flags on sticks tomorrow and re-staple them upside down for my lawn on Wed. Along with phone calls & faxes tomorrow, its the least I can do.
Mutant Poodle @ 17
Do they have anyone on staff who is ever right?
“According to a new SurveyUSA poll, people actually do care about this case and don’t like what has happened — 60% think Libby should serve his sentence.”
I just love these pundits that say nobody cares outside the beltway, wrong!
Hi, Jane! Hi, all!
OK, back to my pet project. I hope I don’t get sued! LOL ; )
http://armandomontelongo.blogspot.com/
Mutant Poodle @ 16
Apparently not.
MSNBC poll is 71/29 right now.
Can we get our national flag changed to the skull and crossbones, since we’re not going to be a nation of laws any more?
(I called Waxman’s office when I got home and asked for impeachment, since George has obstructed justice and lied on a matter that can be easily checked, namely the length of the sentence. I managed to be polite to the nice staffer who answered the phone.)
I deliberately didn’t turn on the tv. They’re expensive and I don’t want to have to replace it.
I wonder if this could be a ipping point. John Dean made a comment on KO that I think bears repaeting b/c he handed everyone THE talking point.
This is about Bush showing contempt for the rule of law and turning over a JURY VERDICT.
Ya know? A jury of regular joes. Like the rest of America.
This is simple and cannot get all tangled up in spin about underlying crimes.
Jane, you are better at this than anyone. We need to drive this message–
George W. Bush has just upended a JURY VERDICT.
DO NOT get caught up in the literal details of commutation vs. pardon. We need to keep it simple.
1) A jury found him guilty
2) a republican judge gave hime a sentence within the guidelines range
3) 3 more judges affirmed that sentence
4) George W. Bush showed contempt for all of them all and for the rule of law
We need to hammer this over and over and over untile we hear it disussed on every MSM program and read it in every MSM paper.
My god. I’ve scraped things off the bottom of my shoe that were less disgusting than Bush and his Bush Buddies.
Jane I am listening to you on the radio right now. You are SO COOL!!!
Can I be you when I grow up?
Actually, for the AEI, that’s a job requirement. Not a bug, a feature.
looseheadprop @ 29
In-freakin-deed.
OK, Pelosi, have you cleared the f..king table yet????
Tipping Point? Tipping toward what? Bush will lose a few approval points for a month or two- and that’s about it…I now understand why Cheney had such low regard for the consequences of fuckin over america- there ARE no consequences for fuckin over these sheeple NONE- NADA.
Why do they have the right to turn the phones off at the WH? Those are our phones, paid for by us. If they can’t take the heat (and the calls) they should resign.
Scarey thought:
This is Bush & Cheney’s opening salvo in their ultimate flip-off of America. “Wait…they’re just getting started” as a friend of mine put it after the news today.
So here’s the question: will regular Republicans – you know, the ones who believe in limited government, rule of law, etc., the ones who aren’t wingnutty but just traditional conservatives – see this as a kick in the teeth of justice? Because if they do, I think W will lose whatever party support he has. If he loses the Wall Street/Main Street Republicans, what has he got?
Absolutely. This is major league CYA. Free Libby, fight the subpoenas, the last thing this Administration wants is the public to see how corrupt, incompetent, and criminal they have been.
I wish someone was in a position to leak the damage assessment regarding the leak of Ms. Plame’s front company. If people were killed over this leak the country should know about it.
Just sayin’
SnarKassandra @ 31
You’re already on your way.
RevDeb @ 40
Yeah!!!!!
looseheadprop @ 30
Thanks for that, Looseheadprop. This is just the sort of soundbite that’s needed.
So what is our next step? Flooding the White House is fine for a one day story, but should we be contacting our Congress critters to take a particular action? What can they do specifically?
Gunga Djinn @ 37
That’s what I thought. I can’t see this as anything other than a challenge to Congress. Don’t forget, they create their own realities.
History teaches us that they will get theirs in the end. How long do we have to wait?
RevDeb @ 41
I wouldn’t be surprised…I imagine some CIA folks are very pissed.
Of course, THAT leak would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Here’s the part about not having the authority to commute sentences.
“
Commutation is a Power for Governors Not Presidents
Submitted by Anonymous on 2 July 2007 – 7:43pm.
No Federal Caselaw supports this illegal assertion of non-delegated Judicial Power.
Only Two Options: The President illegally created a new, third option outside what the Framers intended. This option only exists for Governors.
The President has two options in re Libby: To issue a reprieve or a pardon. Neither was done.
“he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”
Article II
There is no mention of “commutation” in the Constitution, only pardons and reprieves. The three are not the same.
Definitions
All actions related to the Libby commutation fall outside the Constitution.
Reprieve: “postpone the punishment of a convicted criminal, such as an execution” — The President did not do this, but gave him “half a pardon”. This is illegal–Nothing was postponed; ,b>some of the sentence was ignored.
Pardon: “forgiveness: the act of excusing a mistake or offense. This was not done.
Commutation: The reduction of a sentence, as from death to life imprisonment. This was not lawfullyl done; the President was delegated no power to do this. He may only issue pardons or grant repreives.
Conclusions
1. Non-delegated
The President asserted a non-delegated judicial power. The Constitution and no precedent supports this action. The “commutation” option does not exist in the US Constitution, only at a State level by governors.
2. Unlawful action
The President has illegally reduced the sentence of Libby. He has the power to delay the entire the sentence [reprieve]; or he can forgive Libby [pardon]. The President chose to do something that was a “middle option,” but that option does not exist.
3. War Crimes
The President’s actions in re Libby today are Unconstitutional, and linked apparently with efforts to reward Libby for thwarting the Geneva Conventions in re unlawful retaliation against witnesses to war crimes.
4. Obstruction of Justice
The President has illegally asserted powers not delegated in re Libby sentencing. This is illegal, impersmissible, and suggests obstruction of justice to reward Libby for retaliation and other illegal activity.
» reply”
This is from the link I posted above.
For Helen, from the last thread
July 2nd, 2007 at 6:35 pm
CTuttle @ 69
GSD @ 55
Bush has once again shoved everyones face in shit.
More and more people on the inside are going to ratfuck the administration.
I bet there are some mighty fired up CIA folks these days. Not to mention DOJ, JAG, NASA and FEMA and EPA……..
Bush is consigning himself to the asheap.
However, will the Republic survive long enough to see this trash-heap kicked to the curb?
-GSD
I fervently hope Fitz is calling Sen. Leahey and Rep. Waxman’s offices to chit-chat! Fitz, had declined to comment further to their respective Committees, I believe, he is about to have a change-of-heart!!! ;-)
He needs DOJ’s permission. Think he’s gonna get it? I don’t.
According to the US Attorney’s Manual all “requests” for information from Congress have to be funneled through the Office of Legislative Affairs (OLA), which I doubt will be giving him a green light any time soon.
However, if SOMEONE had the brains to issue a subpeona to him……
You see he would them be compelled, as an officer of the court, to obey lawful process (”process” being a legal term for a subpeona, writ, summons or similar legal device that confers power over a witness or litigant)
It is m belief that it was for this reason that the fired USA’s demanded to be subpeona’d
I’m posting some interesting video from earlier this evening from the talking punditry on Scooter Libby’s commened jail time.
Here’s Joe Wilson’s interview from olbermann and I’m uploading some classic kool-aid moments from the past three hours or so.
JT
AMBASSADOR JOE WILSON REACTS:
(Countdown/Keith Olbermann)
SCOOTER LIBBY HAS 2 1/2 YR. SENTENCE COMMUTED BY PRESIDENT BUSH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b326YqS8Xio
I’d be very curious to know what the people at the CIA think of this, knowing that their covert agents can be exposed on the whim of the Administration with no consequences or repercussions.
EPU’d from the Fitz statement thread, ’cause I’m MAD AS HELL and if I don’t post something, somebody is gonna get hurt:
—————-
Anyone else get a whiff of Fitz’s Irish temper coming through his statement?
The entire statement REEKS of rage, and justifiable too. Here’s a man who really BELIEVES in “truth, justice and the American way” and the thug in the White House just told him none of that is true.
Goddamn it. Let’s take to the streets. Let’s fly the flag half-mast on the 4th. Above all, let’s DO something…write your your Congresspeople…about impeachment. Before this, I wasn’t sure how I felt about impeachment…not because I don’t want the criminals out of Our House, god kows. But because I thought it would be an exercise i futility. I have now officially changed my mind.
Mutant Poodle @ 17
Everyone there is wrong all the time. He will fit right in. The architect of the”surge” Fred Kagan is from the AEI. It’s where neocons go. It’s like the elephant’s graveyard except it’s for bloviating discredited assholes in need of wingnut welfare.
I was disappointed (yet again), but not really surprised. I think, though, what bothers me most is not that Bush is thumbing his nose at our rule of law, our Constitution, and the ordinary American people who have to let their families suffer when they do something wrong….it’s that he’s laughing at us while he’s doing it. He knows that nothing is going to come of it and he personally will walk away, rich and untouched. That just eats at my soul.
bush is a moron… this has cheney’s fingerprints all over it… he is the one running this country, not bush.
There are already 54 pages of comments on the Washington Post web site on this story as of 10:19PM EDT. Story is time-stamped at 7:28PM EDT
I actually think this is a lot more serious than the talking heads seem to believe. We’re talking about a convicted felon here. It’s one thing to rail against stupid regulations or dunderheads at the RMV, we’ve all been there. It’s quite another to say that someone convicted by a jury, and a Republican judge, and a Republican prosecutor, shouldn’t go to jail just because he has rich friends. That’s not going to play well in regular America, IMHO.
TRex @ 51
Excellent point and there are folks at the CIA and operations within the CIA capable of striking back one way or another. I wonder if we’ll recognize it when it hits.
RevDeb @ 41
RevDeb, thinking the same thing. Where, oh where, is our generation’s Daniel Ellsberg?!
Mutant Poodle @ 46
By the time it came to court there will be a democratic president. Also the files might just get lost during the transition . . .
ARgh.
this is fine news to arrive home from work to. If i wasn’t outraged before, this is even more so. The arrogance is just off the bloody well SCALE with them. It has no end.
MCD @ 56
Not morons. Just evil.
Bob Schacht @ 20
Aloha, Bob! Cassie certainly learned at an early age!!! She has my vote in ‘32!!! *g*
It is time that we, as Americans, begin the process of public shunning these criminals. They should not be allowed to walk the streets without public scorn, shunning, dunning and approbation. Just as people are disgusted by a pervert in their midst, this is the way these people should be approached. Boo them. Spit on the street in front of them. Put posters near their neighborhoods to warn of a criminal element in our midst. Pass a bill that these people cannot live near a school or place where decent people live or congregate. Public SCORN! Believe me, this is worse than prison. Make Libby be as welcome as OJ in a public setting. His whole family should be pariahs. And also all the other creeps from this criminal organization.
TRex @ 51
I predict, sadly, that Scooter will get a job at some fundie think tank where he will be trotted out as an expert on national security, and no one in the MSM (save Keith) will even blink.
I am, I fear, in my “how bad could it get” phase. Give me time – I’ll come up with worse.
TRex @ 51
This is the point that interests me too! Where is the outrage from the agency most affected by this crime. I know most cannot talk about it, but WTF…doesn’t the Washington Post almost entirely rely on anonymous quotes?
Slothrop @ 58
Blowback by any other name would smell as sweet :)
Tucker Carlson should be made to pay for not disclosing his father is a member of Scooter Libby’s Defense Fund. After David Shuster explained the case in plain english Tucker called it “Bullshit” and said nothing when Shuster mentioned the members of the Defense Fund in his reporting today. Tucker should be held to account for his biased views in his commentary and what may have influenced those views.
Rob Zuber @ 45
1)Censure
2)Investigate
3)Subpoena
4)Go to court to enforce subpoenas
5)Immunize Libby and make him testify
6)Using the findings from the above–or,if the administration stonewalls, use that as the basis–impeach Bush and Cheney for obstruction of justice.
Bush is responsible. Again. And I think there are a lot of dynamics involved in this dirty business surrounding the commutation. I just hope that Mr. Fitzgerald will once again do the lifting.
Mutant Poodle @ 38
Really are there any of those REP left? In the end they got their two conservative judges on the supreme court and their tax cuts.
Who cares that American Foreign Policy has made us pariahs in the world? Who cares that people are detained without due process? Who cares that people are tortured?
Not any REP judging by the applause heard during the REP debate in support of torture.
Anyone know the terms of Libby’s probation? If he were to violate the conditions of his probation he could still be sentenced to jail for a probation violation. Bush would have to commute his sentence a second time.
You know the thing that got Nixon were two words: crook and coverup. I think we need to resurrect them.
Bush is engaged in a coverup and he just freed a convicted felon to keep it going.
We need to keep reminding the Republicans and especially the Dems., that under the 1996 war crimes law, there is no running out the clock. There is no statute of limitations.
My question to lawyers is what is statute of limitations of the more ordinary crimes of the Republicans; such as perjury, obstruction, and the other felonies?
If commuting Scooter’s sentence is not legal then they wanted to really shove our faces in it. These people don’t even try to pretend to care about us. Is this part of the plan?
It would appear silence has its price.
Steve @ 73
They got immunity from prosecution in the MCA bill that was passed last year.
Here’s a link to the White House phonebook, so you can give them a courteous and politely worded call and share your views.
I’d anticipate that the switchboard will be quite busy tomorrow, so it’s important to have a lot of numbers so you can get through. The Directory has those numbers (some to quite obscure offices, though none so obscure as Shooter’s dank basement).
looseheadprop @ 30
Hmmm. Unfortunately, Siegelman (sp?) and that woman in Wisconsin (?) also had jury verdicts against them. Better, I think, to say the process hadn’t completed.
looseheadprop @ 49
According to the US Attorney’s Manual all “requests” for information from Congress have to be funneled through the Office of Legislative Affairs (OLA), which I doubt will be giving him a green light any time soon.
However, if SOMEONE had the brains to issue a subpeona to him……
You see he would them be compelled, as an officer of the court, to obey lawful process (”process” being a legal term for a subpeona, writ, summons or similar legal device that confers power over a witness or litigant)
It is m belief that it was for this reason that the fired USA’s demanded to be subpeona’d
I regret my poor choice of words; ‘Whistleblow’, but, LHP, you did point out my allusions to Oversight means of obtaining Fitz’s views on the matter!!! 8-)
I sent the press statement from Cheney back to his office with:
Shorter Cheney: Got Harriet’s email. Thanks for covering my ass, Scoots!
John Tully @ 50
thank you!
You know, thank goodness that the DoJ has been practically gutted. Anyone not doing their job for the GOP over there would just be spinning their wheels. What a sad and horrible day.
It’s blackmail, leading to further obstruction of justice.
Even Paris Hilton did her time!
Why shouldn’t Irve?
rwcole @ 36
Tipping point with the US Senate. th eONLY jury that really counts.
looseheadprop@86
The Senate has Joe. There are no consequences.
On Bush’s last day in office, he will pardon Libby for any and all crimes, adjudicated, pending, or otherwise under investigation.
The safest of bets.
We should compile of ID list of the thousands of those convicted of federal crimes and sentenced “excessively” and hammer the White House and Congress with it relentlessly.
Where was Bush when I got convicted?
Why is Libby more deserving than I?
Public Service?
I did my time, served my sentence, went on to be an upstanding citizen.
I became an advocate for parents of children with disabilities.
I sat down with Gov. Richardson, and talked him into reversing a decision he had already publicly announced, because we in the disabilities community felt the issue needed further study before a decision was made.
I helped the New Mexico DOH write it’s best practice documents on educating young children with Autism.
I helped school districts all over the state implement better classrooms.
I helped scores of parents advocate for the services their children needed, when the DOH and the Education Dept. were stonewalling.
I put 50,000 a year on my car (NM is a big state), and countless hours.
I never charged a dime.
I did something stupid and non-violent when I was 18.
I’m now 40.
I have a wife and three kids.
And according to the state of Florida, I still don’t qualify for clemency.
Equal under the law my ass.
IN
I think at the end of the day, Libby will get a full pardon. In the meantime, Dick, Karl and George are yucking it up.
Thanks LHP at 49. Cassie talks about wanting to “be” someone when she grows up. I wanna be you LHP!! Unfortunately I am already grown up.
Thanks again.
GordonM @ 79
I think you mean Georgia Thompson.
So are the statements I posted correct or not. He is assuming power not granted too him by the constitution.
Can he legally commute a sentence or not?
Does he have that power or only the power to grant a reprieve of pardon?
Of don’t my concerns warrant any answers to these questions?
If not I’ll just go back to lurking.
Don’t worry, Harry and Nancy will take action.
Heh.
I’m speechless, and that is saying something.
Jane and Christy,
Keep up the fight for equal justice for all Americans!
Tonight I am so depressed that I only take hope from the advocacy of FDL and the other progressive blogs.
Thanks for all you do!!
looseheadprop @ 86
Whew, Ain’t that the truth!!! And, worse yet, it’s all Political!!! 8-(
Biden (yeah, that Biden) suggests flooding the WH with our outraged calls tomorrow. Here’s some help for that:
White House Phone Numbers
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
U.S. Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Listing of U.S. Senators with phone numbers
Listing of U.S. House members
We’re hanging in there on the msnbc poll!
Do you agree with President Bush’s decision to commute former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s prison sentence?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570520/
71% Against Bush!
114461 votes at 10:30
So wait how does this work?
Is it now legal to lie to grand juries?
InfoNut @ 89
You sound like somebody that does way more good things than bad. They should think about that too.
I wrote about how it is unfair. My mom is in jail and she didn’t lie to the FBI or hurt the CIA.
George A. @ 76
They think they did..but will retroactive immunity be a stay out of prison card? It will be fought out in the courts..Who knows what will happen…but we have to keep pushing.
The American people should be able to grasp the simple concept that Libby was saved from jail so he wouldn’t talk. As in Bush is quilty as sin.
radiofreewill @ 99
Aargh, it’s slipped another 1% point!!! WTF!!!
“Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.”
the aspens are turning my stomach
Not surprising, since the elite, bloviating punditocracy is nearly as guilty as Scooter in obstructing justice.
Mary McCurnin @ 74
I think it is. This is a slow-motion coup.
“
I have an editor acquaintance who has coined the phrase, `Berlin-o-meter’; flippant but also serious; as in: what time is it? In 1931 there was still debate and dissent in Germany; in 1933, after the mass arrests, that was over. What time is it regarding debate? It’s about 1931.”
http://commentisfree.guardian……und_1.html
#68: If there’s one thing Tucker knows it’s bullshit; in fact it seems to be the only thing he excells at.
barbara @ 97
Thanx so much, barbara. Thinking about getting up & using all those #s tomorrow morning is giving me a place to focus my anger…
I will try to avoid cursing and seek to compose a reasoned scream on the WH comment line tomorrow. Perhaps, ‘Please tell the president that there will be no one to commute his conviction.’ Or, ‘A poll last night has shown that a large majority of the American people believe that Scooter belongs in jail. If Paris Hilton can do the time, isn’t Scooter man enough?’ Or, ‘This commutation is demonstrably obstruction of justice, as it keeps Scooter from singing, and is shielding a related person from justice (cf http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..93014/5401
). This latter was considered by the Founding Fathers to be grounds for impeachment. Please step away from the Oval Office. The NRA desk there can easily handle your duties for the next year and some.’
Come to think of it, and I just love connecting dots, there has been some speculation on just why old Pooty-poot is visiting Kennebunkport. Did Putin request the meet, or Bushie? I think I know why. W is negotiating political asylum for his entire administration in Russia. On the evening of January 20, 2009, there will be a massive bin Ladin family type of airlift out of the country to thwart the converging federal marshals. If not Russia, then how about Nigeria? Plenty of brush to clear there.
SCOOTER LIBBY SAVED FROM ANY JAIL TIME BY PRESIDENT BUSH:
With friends like these…
Sharpton and another bad Democratic pundit once again using knives at a gunfight.
Added bonus::
M. Floyd Scammington on to hilariously try and defend the Mayberry Machiavellians
Hardball Host: Al Sharpton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pIMlg657_o
TeddySanFran @ 85
BINGO with a capitol B!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on CIA, if you care about America, step up to the plate!!!!! This is about you and your service to our country.
NSA, FBI,….this is your country calling!!!
We know you are there. SOS
Most Disagree With Bush’s Libby Decision
A new SurveyUSA instant poll finds just 21% of Americans agree with President Bush’s decision to commute Scooter Libby’s prison sentence, 60% say Bush should have left the judge’s prison sentence in place, and 17% wanted a full pardon.
Only those familiar with the case were asked to react to the President’s action.
Partisan breakdown: 32% of Republicans agree with the President’s decision, compared to 14% of Democrats and 20% of Independents.
Hugh @ 73
I second that. It’s a nice simple soundbite
Whats to come of Fitz’s invite that the Libby camp is free to come talk to him?
I have Aspen indigestion.
I think that was 60% of people familiar with the case. 55% of people familar with case, so that is 33% of all polled. I’m not trying to be jerk here (Like I would have to try…) Just saying everyone (including Dems and other non-corrupt bighots) have to get the message out regarding what is happening, with confidence that once people understand, 60% or more of population will agree. Need to have 100% of population know about this case.
That comment from George A. July 2nd, 2007 at 7:18 pm was interesting. The pundits I’ve heard say this filthy trick was legal. Does ReddHedd have anything to say about it? Was it legal? Seems like there was some serious legal thinking at WH going into this from long ago. I have already read posts of implications of not pardoning, but rather partially commuting. OK, so if there are different legal implications, then a commutation is NOT a pardon. Can the president partially commute a sentence or not?
Sounds like an interesting court case there. Who will be able to bring and where do I send my contribution?
Bush also has the presumptive Presidential authority to order the bombing of Canada or Luxemborg, or whatever country he wishes, on whatever short-term grounds he asserts.
No one would put up with it for a minute. How is this any different?
Moreover, you could have an IQ starting with a decimal point and still recognize the Mount Everest of a conflict of interest here. We have an obvious co-conspirator in obstruction of justice at the helm of government.
Mutant Poodle @ 47
Best double the Secret Service detail at the end of the term. Um..2×123 agents should run about half a billion a year for life and then there’s inflation.
Mary McCurnin @ 75
Read that. Any comment from the lawyers hereabouts? If the Constitution allows the President to pardon and reprieve, what the hell just happened today?
Its fine… Bush was blackmailed.
Marie Roget @ 110
I hear you, M.R. Me, too.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 100
No sorry IOKIYAR (or named Scooter) to lie to grand juries. Remember that whole impeachment thingy back in the 90’s.
But point taken.
Sort of funny that the whole “we’ll get to the bottom of this leak” statement way back when was more of a “screw you guys, I’m going home!”
In Sicko, Michael Moore points out that the French have institutional means of showing their anger with the government: they demonstrate, they take to the streets and insist on being heard. I wish I were in France. I really feel the need for a physical act to show my anger, like marching with others and shouting. Just swallowing this is asking too much.
OT, but I’m drifting off here, and can’t wait for late night or whatever…
Demetrius and I put this together a few years ago, and with the 4th rolling around again, I just wanted to mention that we still have it available online.
“Print out and distribute this flyer at your Independence Day celebrations. May these quotes serve to remind us all of the ideals and values upon which the United States was founded.”
http://july4.bmgbiz.net
I urge President Gore to give John Dean a full pardon come January 2009.
There was a poll at AOL news.. 65% think Bush was wrong and 63% thought the jail time was right…. so a few might have thought 1 year in year was enough?
barbara @ 122
They talk about the Flood of ‘07, show them the flood. Flood their phones, faxes, emails.
looseheadprop @ 116
Hmmm… Possible Legs??? I wonder…!!! 8-)
I object to comparing Fred Kagan to an elephant. An elephant is a noble animal, brave, loyal and intelligent. Kagan is a cowardly, tub of lard. He is just another chicken hawk who sends our 19 year olds to their death. His goal is permanent mideast genocide.
Elephants and Firedogs never forget.
radiofreewill @ 99
This is laughable. 29% agree with Bush. Apparently 29% is all that’s really necessary to continue the transformation of the U.S. into a fascist state because Cheney/Bush do whatever they dam well please. Of course Hitler did a bit better when he came to power in 1933 with support from 33% of the population. In any nation in Europe the streets would be filled with people marching on their legislative and Executive offices.
steve talbert @ 129
Interesting, AOL polls usually skew right too
Shadowstalker @ 87
The Senate also has republicans who do not want to suffer at thepolls for crimes THEY did not commit (Yes, I know they rubber stamped them).
You had Hatch, Specter and (who was the 3rd Rep who voted for it?) voting to issue subpeonas to the White House, DOJ and OVP.
There are Reps who have to worry about life after ShrubCo
George A. @ 48
Hey, I like that. I like it ALOT.
Now all we need is a court with enough cahones to force the issue. Any ideas where we should look?
Renee in Ohio @ 126
Can I post a link for it on my site on Weds?
Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton, and Phil Leotardo are all proud of doing their time. But Scooter is too special for jail.
Gunga Djinn @ 136
The Hague?
SnarKassandra @ 137
Cassie – do you have subscribers on your site?
1,565 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
Sister Jane, the Democratic leadership in the Congress must take this action immediately to investigation in the House Judiciary Committee but they gotta leverage it against Cheney first, get the evidence out on the underyin’ crime of Plamegate and then move up the ladder if Emperor Chimp doesn’t abdicate first.
Nothing short of holding Congress open thru the summer to complete the process will serve the people and begin to mobilize the anger and disgust of the vast majority of citizens for these criminals. The next administration will hafta go after impeachment of a few judges also, if there is to be any treatment for the gangrenous wound these people have inflicted on our Constitution.
Are you folks who have the blogophones gunna use your voices ta mobilize direct action?
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE IT TO THE STREET!!
MCD @ 56
“When falls on man the anger of the gods, first from his mind they banish understanding.”
Lycurgus
Remember what Ron Suskind wrote in 2004? He had been talking to a White House aid, who told him,
In most places, people who create their own reality are considered delusional. Sooner or later, the realities they have created crumble when objective reality bites them on the a**.
Bob in HI
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570520/
Goopers flocking in at the tops of the hours.
Help get the word out to other blogs on this poll.
122390 votes at 10:45
71% Against Bush!
George A. @ 92
Pat Fitzgerald said he was within his rights.
I need to blow this one up for the 4th parade: http://youthinkleft.com/wp-con…..tution.jpg
TeddySanFran @ 122
The operative word is ‘Commutation’, usually reserved for Death Row Inmates, whereby, Gov.’s (usually) commute their sentence of death to life without parole! Capiche?!!! *g*
Gunga Djinn @ 135
Canada.
So how does this work someone in the WHITE HOUSE committed treason by outing Valerie Palme a spy OUR SPY responsible for finding out if countries like Iraq were getting nukes during time of war. The White House despite background checks, access to phone logs, and potentially illegal wire taping phone calls somehow can’t find out who did it. I still can’t believe they didn’t use lie detectors which might not be legal in court but for national security reasons should be a differnt ballgame. Plus they could always kidnap suspects to Arab countries that allow torture to find the leak.
Unless of course nobody wanted the leak found. Nobody has lost their White House security clearence over this so I have to assume there has been a coverup directed from the top… Dick Cheney. I want Gonzo to answer why nobody has found the leak. Why does he want to phone tap Americans, defend waterboarding etc when its the White House who is leaking. If the real leaker isn’t found we should impeach Cheney and Bush for protecting a traitor and obstructing justice by illegaly granting Scooter clemency.
If we don’t have the votes in Congress then we can cancel all the Republicans pork projects and Holy Joe’s sub base can be closed down. Just what is the Democrats response to this do they like being treated like a punk or what?
George A. @ 93
IANAL but I just googled “commute sentence” and “president” and this came up:
President Bush granted pardons to 16 people on Thursday, including some convicted of drug crimes and others who were involved in fraud and kickback schemes. Bush additionally commuted the sentence of another man who had been convicted of drug offenses. (12/22/06 from the Univ. of Pittsburg).
There are many other similar posts.
Helen @ 139
Ummm. It is free. People read it through RSS or they click. I have two sites. Political Teen Tidbits (by myself) and YouTHinkLeft (with 9 other teens). Did that answer the question?
TeddySanFran @ 122
Yes, please tell us if this is legal or not. There must be a legal eagle here that knows whether he has overstepped his powers.
George A. @ 76
That law is illegal and the World Court is not going to recoginse it Bush better avoid Europe like Kissenger does.
This morning’s WAPO has an article about how poor little president bush (lower case used out of respect for his predecessors)is turning to philosophers to figure out what went wrong and why people around the world hate him.
Electrocute 154 people as governor of TX and then turn around and commute the 30 month prison term of someone who obstructed FBI agents and a Federal grand jury looking into the truth about the disclosure of a CIA agent’s identity and this ignorant self absorbed total ass-hole needs philosophers to figure out why he is so detested.
Impeach the son of a bitch! Like Libby, he isn’t worthy of the trust given to him.
SnarKassandra @ 150
No – I was askin’ if you take donations. Like here at FDL.
SnarKassandra @ 137
That would be great–thanks!
How does 29% have any power….Oh, Plllleeease!!
They don’t, that’s how!!!!
Waxman, Leahey, Conyers….do your thing. Keep after these criminals, don’t let up!!!
Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack!!!
Defeat, Defeat, Defeat.
If you are a supporter of this Administration, you better duck and hide, because the country will not continue to tolerate being raped by you anymore. We have had enough.
Granny? You better be listening.
Gunga Djinn @ 136
Why shouldn’t this actually work in reverse? Does the court, ya know the branch of govt that actually has jurisdiction in the Libby case, have to even acknowledge an act for which the Executive has no power. Simply don’t enforce it, go get Libby on his Report Date, and let’s get on with it. I know I’m dreaming…but why not?
John Dean goes through the legal meaning of this afternoon’s announcement by President Bush that he will commute Scooter Libby’s jail time for lying and obstructing justice in the Justice Department investigation into who leaked the name of an undercover C.I.A. agent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5I4mR3yGjQ
JT
looseheadprop @ 135
What don’t you understand? The entire Republican Party today is a criminal conspiracy.
JebbieTeacher July 2nd, 2007 at 7:47 pm
So it was “legal”…
Well, still need to explain the skullduggery to 45% of population out of loop.
LS @ 156
Yeeks! I be a granny. I be listening!!
George A — since this is on the CREW website, where there are super lawyers as well (Melanie Sloan, their Executive Director, advises the Wilsons on their civil suit) I would expect they’ll look into it.
But I’m very interested to know. Although since Fitz said he recognized the President’s power to commute the sentence, perhaps it does exist.
Helen @ 154
YouThinkLeft does because we have to pay for hosting and the domain name and stuff like that. I don’t at my site.
jumping in wearing my kevlar lined, flame proof diving suit and hoping i timed the jump between waves correctly
jeez, louise, the waters are turbulent tonight. g’evening everyone -
The silver lining here:
Bush and Cheney have tacitly admitted that a) the GOP is going to go down in flames next year anyway, b) they don’t give a rat’s ass about what happens to the GOP so long as they themselves stay out of prison, or c) both.
KaLo and the rest of the Neo–Fascists at the Corner will squeal like pigs, and spin so fast, they’ll affect the earth’s rotation.
It is amazing that they have not been shamed into silence– constant propaganda that at its core is against the rule of law, democracy, the Constitution and American international and security interests.
Even Mussolini would winch at their brazen and shameful corruption.
barbara @ 161
The “other” Granny!! :}
George A. @ 92
George,
A proper answer requires research and citation. You want a qulity answer don’t you?
Suzanne @ 164
Hey, Suzanne! I missed most of the hubbub. Have a mojito!
The Libby thing and all of the other criminality including the Iraq war are not as frightening to me as the last Scotus session. If Kennedy has now committed to the Roberts/Alito vision for America, then we have already gone over the cliff. I think the reversal of the decision to look at Gitmo again was a bad sign. I really hope I am wrong.
If we are falling down the black hole now; at the bottom will be the Theocratic States of America.
Hey PW. Thanks, looks like I’m in for a bumpy ride tonight.
Just another friendly reminder: Amazon has opened up the Customer Reviews section for Glenn Greenwald’s A Tragic Legacy. You may review if you like, or rate the reviews.
Suzanne @ 169
Maybe Aunt Betsy will get you some lemon cookies :)
Hey Norske at 141. I used to think you were barkin up the wrong tree. I thought – his posts are entertaining but oh hey no – he cannot be serious. But guess what? After today I am so on your side. My mom was from a country where the people took up arms illegally against the government and she moved here so I wouldn’t have to. Well, go figure.
Phoenix Woman @ 165
Or d) 2008 elections aren’t in their plan.
JebbieTeacher @ 149
That may be so, however they were currently serving time. Libby is not currently serving time. So how does he commute the sentence of someone who is not serving time?
barbara @ 161
This Granny. Get outta my kitchen!!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW5Cou3SZKc
To me the key thing is that Libby was convicted in a case clearly aimed at the WH. That means he’s Covering His Ass!
I hope this will eventually have strong repercussions in the courts.
LS
No “In the Jailhouse Now”
bummer
klevenstein @ 176
And with the voters.
SnarKassandra @ 62
What she said. Just opened my computer to the New York Times front page and came right over here. Even though I was expecting a pardon from the Evil One, it landed like a kick in the gut. This was after spending some time crying yesterday in frustration over my country’s descent into fascism.
Re commutation,
From the annotated Constitution: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/const…..02/012.pdf
on page 487 (640K PDF file)
things come undone @ 152
Yes I know it is illegal under International Law. I don’t think that their planning on goin g to Europe after they leave office {that is if they leave office}.
If the Republicans get in again in ‘08, I suggest consideration of taking it to the streets. Big time.
SnarKassandra @ 179
Touche, that’s got to be a given if democracy is truly comin’ to the USA…
From SurveyUSA’s poll, even most Repubs are pissed.
Elliott @ 179
I’m too upset to get it :
1.Susan McDougal (White Water) 18 months in prison including 7 weeks in solitary confinement for civil contempt of court.
2.Martha Stewart convicted on four counts of obstruction of justice and lying, 5 months jail time served.
3.Judith Miller sent to jail after a federal judge declared that she was “defying the law.” Jail time 85 days.
4.Paris Hilton violating probation, jail-time 23 days.
5.Scooter Libby convicted of four felony counts: obstruction of justice, giving false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and committing perjury twice before the grand jury. 30 month sentence. Number of days to be spent in jail; 0.
Get Out of Jail Free Card.
Priceless.
Don’t Leave Home without it.
Scooter Libby; Lifetime member of the good ole boys club
looseheadprop @ 168
Scotusblog stated this:
“Under the Constitution, the decision to grant clemency is the President’s alone; there is no chance for court review.”
However, I was unable to discern whether it was merely a part of Shrub’s signing statement, or not! So, I wouldn’t bet my life on it!!!
LS @ 186
My computer is even too upset to get it…it should have :
Still clicking along at 71% Against Bush!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570520/
130683 votes at 11:00
Vote!
I got the zed but there is no TRex. Come up anyway.
Jon Stewart is a rerun. Bummer
TeddySanFran @ 163
I can see it if there already in jail and have served a portion of there sentence as Justice guidelines are written. But if they haven’t served any time and have shown no remorse than how can he commute the sentence to no time served?
That’s what I want to know. I already know they don’t respect the rule of law, we all know that.
Hugh @ 73
yes, and bush does not have thin skin.
LS @ 189
Your computer is only human.
SnarKassandra @ 191
Bad Linky, Missy!!!
LS @ 189
It still is messed up…I give up.
TRex @ 33
Speaking of AEI, they just hired another criminal. That’s right!! Wolfie found a new home.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..fowitz_aei
looseheadprop @ 134
Republicans torpedoed immigration because of their inherent racism. That was an exception the rest of the time they have been in bed with Bush. They have not turned against him on Iraq. As for everything else, McConnell still wields the filibuster and House Republicans still pursue their troglodyte ways.
The Late Nite post is gone…weird
SnarKassandra @ 162
I’m looking to donate. Should I do it at “youthinkleft” or your site?
looseheadprop @ 168
I believe I answered your question in comment #176.
All I can say is Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I have just logged on and may have missed the answer to my question. Please advise as to what concrete measures we can take. It can’t be enough to reiterate how awful it is, we need to do something.
LS @ 188
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought you gave me this
In the Jailhouse Now
newtonusr @ 195
It is experiencing computerpause.
George A. @ 93
Your questions of course do warrant answers, but it’s also the case that there are lots of legal questions involved in the President’s decision. So there will be lots to talk about for a while. I was particularly impressed with how a commenter at The Next Hurrah parsed Fitz’s comments dessertwind
(My bad, the comment was left by desertwind!)
Try this for RJ’s late nite post
Helen @ 201
Click here. Donate with PAYPAL button is on the top right. And THANK YOU!
George@176
“That may be so, however they were currently serving time. Libby is not currently serving time. So how does he commute the sentence of someone who is not serving time?”
How do you know that the man whose sentence was commuted was already serving time?
And, more importantly, here’s Fitz’s opening:
“We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.”
Fitz should know because it’s a safe bet this was no surprise.
I just caught Olbermann on my recorder and found out about Libby. (We have been sitting on the patio having a few liquid relaxers this afternoon. Good thing, because it kind of took the edge off the news.
However, on reflection, I wonder if this is all that bad. Of course, we would all like to imagine Scooter in the pokie, but maybe its better to have more outrage directed at Bush and all the Republicans. You know they will support this. This is going to make it another difficult issue for them in the campaign. I would trade ‘one Scooter’ for a bunch of Republicans loosing their seats in ‘08.
Elliott @ 205
Could be.
PeteCO @ 108
“What happened? Why did it happen? How could it have happened?” (Hannah Arendt)
Since a little while, have been thinking that this executive hopes for another big terrorist event here. Then the ‘Enabling Act’ will not be far behind.
I was thinking more along the lines of the ruling judges going medieval, overturning the rogue sheriff’s pardon, and dragging Scooter’s ratty ass to jail, ala Paris.
Twain @ 37
Haven’t read all notes yet, but Keith Olbermann
tomorrow’s show and at the end he will ask for the resignation of both Bush and Cheney!! Maybe it will finally take hold and ruin the Administrations holiday!! We need INDEPENDENCE from them!!
Time to take the reins back and the 4th is Our
Day!!
JebbieTeacher @ 210
i gave a citation at #182. Commutation is part of the pardoning power. It presupposes a sentencing but there is no limitation on when it can be given. Unlike a pardon, however, it does not require the acceptance by the pardonee.
mulligatawny @ 213
My Mamma (who watched it happen in real time in Europe) told me there could be days like this…
“Slow Motion Coup“. You have nailed it.
It has already happened, it is not complete yet. We can still stop this.
George A
Here are the Office of Pardon Attonrey Rules and procedures for clemancy
You will see that Section 1.1 lists the kinds of clemancy that mey be applied for
A person seeking executive clemency by pardon, reprieve, commutation of sentence, or remission of fine shall execute a formal petition
[emphasis mine]
Why did ANYONE think that Bush wouldn’t use his power to keep Libby out of the slammer if it came to that.. What would stop him? Decency? Please! Fear of political consequences? The fucker can never run again and he’s ALREADY deep in the shitter- he had NOTHING to lose.
So I just got a Google Alert reminding me that my Rubber Stamp Congressman, Greg Walden, has a town meeting in the town next door tomorrow morning. Help me phrase the question(s) I should ask about this.
Slothrop @ 58
Well OTOH the folks you speak of will recognize it and we likely won’t have to wait too long for the true patriots inside and outside of the intelligence community including Ms. Plame’s colleagues to do their duty.
I actually have more confidence in these folks than I do with either the Senate or the House, I am sad to say.
newspaperbrat @ 221
And how pissed are most of the other US Attorneys right now?
RJMAC @ 138
Phil Leotardo. ROTFL
What this tells me is that Scooter must have told Cheney that no legal defense fund in the history of mankind would be big enough to buy him all the tissues he was going to need.
This is a disgraceful day for the institution of the Presidency. Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
rat bastahd @ 220
This might be something to consider: EPU’D from last thread LHP sez:
Congress can give Libby immunity and compell his testimony. If Libby refuses to talk, he goes back into the slammer. If he talks and lies, he has new obstruction beef.
Firepups, there are still cards left to play. If Congress can get their shit together in time to play them before Cheney claims all the chips on the p*ker table.
Darlin’s it ain’t over if we don’t quit.
Now, how can we get some guidance to our beloved legislators?
I am so disappointed. I expected a pardon at the end of the President’s term, but this is even more of a slap in the face of the American public. When will any of these people who flaunt their crimes be called to account?
Perhaps what we need is wholesale trials and convictions of all of those who have obstructed Congress and made a mockery of the DOJ. Let Bush be put in a position where he pardons, or commutes sentences for all his minions! That would make even the MSM stand up and take notice.
I feel the anger but not the surprise. What would one expect from a pig but a grunt?
Evil has found it’s home in the White House, and it’s newest victim is justice.
I just posted this at TNH.
While David Corn is correct in his piece today that Bush initially promised that anyone found leaking classified information would be gone from his administration, this is not what Bush was saying later.
Note the following I found on CNN’s website:
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 Posted: 1:46 AM EST (0646 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush said Tuesday he welcomes a Justice Department investigation into who revealed the classified identity of a CIA operative.
“If there’s a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is,” Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. “If the person has violated law, that person will be TAKEN CARE OF (emphasis mine).”
Hmm., just a thought. Remember Condi Rice warning us about the dangers of broadcasting videos of Al Qaeda on TV? ‘They speak in codes to one another, and we do not want them to send secret messages to their followers.’
Just to review the timeline a bit: On December 30, 2003 Patrick Fitzgerald is appointed Special Counsel in the investigation of the CIA leak / Plame case.
Just a little over a month later (February 10, 2004), CNN quotes Bush saying this to reporters about the DoJ investigation.
Repeat that again, Bush.
BUSH: “THAT PERSON WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.”
The best journalist in D.C. tells Countdown’s Keith Olbermann the succinct scoop on the sudden announcement this afternoon by President Bush that he was commuting the 30 month jail sentence of the Vice-President’s top aide: I.Lewis “Scooter” Libby for obstructing justice and lying to the F.B.I. nemerous times in the Justice Department’s investigation of who in the Bush White House intentionally leaked the name of an undercover C.I.A. agent, Valerie Plame, to punish her husband, former Ambassador to Iraq, Joseph Wilson after he publicly criticized the Administration for invading Iraq under false pretenses.
JT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VzfNaWDYgg
xargaw@211:
“However, on reflection, I wonder if this is all that bad. Of course, we would all like to imagine Scooter in the pokie, but maybe its better to have more outrage directed at Bush and all the Republicans. “
There’s a point of light for you. As much as I am breathing deep to meditate on constructive action, the accelerating collapse of the Bush Administration and the Republican Party is de-lish.
Keep breathing through the changes, keep breathing, stay in the heart, let a hand of (Tough) Love wield the Sword of Truth …
Contrary to the GOP talking point that Bush is playing to his base, he’s not. It’s clearly not about poll numbers. Bush is covering his own tracks and obstructing justice.
Bush is “playing to his base” if his base is the elite group of neocons who harbor hopes that if they just manage to conceal the documents which chronicle the crimes of this administration, they can play a leading role in the future of the Republican party.
That means that Bush and Republicans can’t allow for the possibility that another investigation (by another prosecutor in a future administration) ever happens.
Impeachment may then be the only opportunity we will have to get to the facts, and also for Democrats to take the White House in 2008.
The question now goes to Nancy Pelosi: “Why was impeachment ‘off the table’ before the last election, and why is it still?”
“Only a president clinically incapable of understanding that mistakes have consequences could take the action he did today.” – John Edwards
George Bush, clinically incapable. I like it.
Jane, this is so ON that it may just be powerful to make Madame Speaker move impeachment back ON the table. I hope you don’t mind if I send her your comment!
Thanks!
Although only 21% agree with Bush’s decision, there are an additional 17% that think Bush should have give Libby a full pardon.
That’s 38% that are in favor of leniency for Libby.
SnarKassandra @ 163
Perhaps someone else has come up with a suggestion I will propose. Even if so, I’d like to suggest that you rent a PO Box if necessary and let us know, on your website, where to mail a check. There are those of us who either don’t have a credit card and/or don’t like to use the card number on the internet.
Because I don’t always have time to get through all the comments on FDL, please feel free to e-mail me an address so I can make a modest contribution.
[Mod: Please be careful sharing real addresses and emails.]