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2nd?

I work in a HS that is 90% minority and I think this is a TERRIBLE decision. I think race should be one factor among many, but certainly given at least as much weight as whether or not your father went to Yale.

Before my enlightenment (i.e. before I found FDL) I couldn’t have named more than two or three of the Supremes. Now I know every single one, and more importantly which way they lean.

(waving to all from the redecorated Mod Tower) splish splash

g’everyone – headache is down to a dull roar

In the words of that Southern Gentleman you referred to in your last paragraph, Pach, I would add:

Attack, Attack, ATTACK.

oh, and hi Pach!

Evening all.
Pach! Great post and yes, I had already decided that my senior senator (Max Bacaus) seriously needs to spend more time with his family. We will have to see whether anyone will challenge him in the primary (God I hope so).

hi Suz, glad your headache is getting better :-)

Pach
Soon as I hear any future Democratic president talking about forgetting what all happened between 2000-2008 for the sake of “national healing,” I ’spect I’ll be on him (or her) like a queer duck on a june bug.
Right on, brother!
Forgiving and forgetting may be a good way to go with some personal situations, but, you are so right!

TexB @ 3

I work in a HS that is 90% minority and I think this is a TERRIBLE decision. I think race should be one factor among many, but certainly given at least as much weight as whether or not your father went to Yale.

Yes, despite whatever delusions the Supremes labor under, segregation still exists in America, though more subtly than in my youth. When I lived in Chicago, most middle class whites had pulled their children out of the public schools. Even so, the schools with the most white students had the best facilities and best test scores. Any guesses who had the worst of both?

Got an elaborate email entitled “Hats off to Charlie Daniels.”

This was my reply.

Asshats off to Charlie Daniels

Solving the immigration problem is really simple:

Send the FBI and arrest the CEO of Tyson Foods, and any other major corporate CEO that employs thousands of undocumented workers. Then revoke their corporate charters and seize their assets. Then arrest the CEOs of the banks that laundered the money gained through illegal employment practices. Then work your way down the corporate food chain until the problem goes away. Simple.

Then institute an NATIONAL LIVING WAGE! Remember the days when one breadwinner could have a spouse at home raising the kids?. I’m not looking to shove women back behind an apron, but a LIVING WAGE is one where one breadwinner can maintain a family household.

Until you’re willing to do this, you’re blowing smoke rings out your ass, and whooping up hatred against the good people who pluck your phuqn’ chickens.

DrDick @ 10

TexB @ 3

I work in a HS that is 90% minority and I think this is a TERRIBLE decision. I think race should be one factor among many, but certainly given at least as much weight as whether or not your father went to Yale.

Yes, despite whatever delusions the Supremes labor under, segregation still exists in America, though more subtly than in my youth. When I lived in Chicago, most middle class whites had pulled their children out of the public schools. Even so, the schools with the most white students had the best facilities and best test scores. Any guesses who had the worst of both?

Here the facilities are quite comparable. What is different is the experience of the teachers. We have a high turnover and mostly brand new teachers for the 9th graders.

demi @ 9

Pach
Soon as I hear any future Democratic president talking about forgetting what all happened between 2000-2008 for the sake of “national healing,” I ’spect I’ll be on him (or her) like a queer duck on a june bug.
Right on, brother!
Forgiving and forgetting may be a good way to go with some personal situations, but, you are so right!

There may come a time when it is appropriate to forgive at least some of what has happened (though probably not in my lifetime), but we must NEVER forget.

I look at the lists and wonder what the heck went wrong with Blanche Lincoln who is a pro choice Democrat (supposedly). Mark Pryor is not.

If I had a small budget I would do a documentary on the AR Dem party through this next election cycle. We need a little Southern Exposure. And some help from the North.

Subway Serenade @ 11

Got an elaborate email entitled “Hats off to Charlie Daniels.”

This was my reply.

Asshats off to Charlie Daniels

Solving the immigration problem is really simple:

Send the FBI and arrest the CEO of Tyson Foods, and any other major corporate CEO that employs thousands of undocumented workers. Then revoke their corporate charters and seize their assets. Then arrest the CEOs of the banks that laundered the money gained through illegal employment practices. Then work your way down the corporate food chain until the problem goes away. Simple.

Then institute an NATIONAL LIVING WAGE! Remember the days when one breadwinner could have a spouse at home raising the kids?. I’m not looking to shove women back behind an apron, but a LIVING WAGE is one where one breadwinner can maintain a family household.

Until you’re willing to do this, you’re blowing smoke rings out your ass, and whooping up hatred against the good people who pluck your phuqn’ chickens.

Bravo!

Before everybody tries to jack me up, there’s a lot of real good people in the South who don’t support this stuff. In fact, we have one writing every day on this site. But the Old South is the heart of the political movement to destroy civil rights and reconstitute legally supported white racial supremacy.

perhaps; but just as a humble observation, I have witnessed other humble commenters who made statements similar to yours during the daylight hours being swiftly told to STFU, by the lady you mention.

“The school districts in these cases have not carried the heavy burden of demonstrating that we should allow this once again–even for very different reasons.”

Sounds like it came straight off the Federalist Society’s grubby FAX machine.
No Pach. We won’t forget.
Great piece.

Ironically, Charlie Daniels wrote “Uneasy Rider,” one of the best send ups of redneck conservatism ever recorded.

You may not know it
But this man’s a spy
He’s and undercover agent
For the FBI

And he voted for George McGovern for President

He’s a friend of them
long haired hippie-type pinko fags
I’ll bet he’s even got a commie flag
Tacked up on the wall in his garage

TexB @ 12

DrDick @ 10

Yes, despite whatever delusions the Supremes labor under, segregation still exists in America, though more subtly than in my youth. When I lived in Chicago, most middle class whites had pulled their children out of the public schools. Even so, the schools with the most white students had the best facilities and best test scores. Any guesses who had the worst of both?

Here the facilities are quite comparable. What is different is the experience of the teachers. We have a high turnover and mostly brand new teachers for the 9th graders.

That was also a problem in Chicago. Here in Montana the problem is a lack of resources on the reservations (we have 7), which are much the same as those we already mentioned. It shows up dramatically in the education statistics. I have so many bright eager Indian students who simply do not have the skills and background to succeed at the university. UNfortunately, the university, while doing better, really does not adequately support or help them.

Outstanding Pach! Most righteous (note the uncapitalized “r”). And Billie sings it like no one else could.

Justices Roberts and Alito should be impeached. Hello 2009.

Loo Hoo. @ 21

Justices Roberts and Alito should be impeached. Hello 2009.

I like the way you think!

GordonM @ 20

And Billie sings it like no one else could.

Billie sings it like she LIVED it.

All the more reason to get a Democrat in the WH in 08.

DrDick @ 13

demi @ 9

Pach
Soon as I hear any future Democratic president talking about forgetting what all happened between 2000-2008 for the sake of “national healing,” I ’spect I’ll be on him (or her) like a queer duck on a june bug.
Right on, brother!
Forgiving and forgetting may be a good way to go with some personal situations, but, you are so right!

There may come a time when it is appropriate to forgive at least some of what has happened (though probably not in my lifetime), but we must NEVER forget.

Forgiveness happens after some kind of act of contrition or atonement. There’s a long list of folks who have a lot to atone for. I’m open to hear their “confession” any time.

Oh, and faking it doesn’t make it.

I saw CDB in concert when I was like 14.

Then I recently saw him at a dinner I attended, a benefit, that gave some awards to some quarterbacks.

On second sight, I was like, okay. Youth is wasted on the young.

RevDeb @ 25

Forgiveness happens after some kind of act of contrition or atonement. There’s a long list of folks who have a lot to atone for. I’m open to hear their “confession” any time.

Oh, and faking it doesn’t make it.

Which is why I do not expect to live to see a time when I can forgive.

Given Bill Clinton’s inclination to let Iran-Contra bygones be bygones, I don’t expect Hillary to pursue and prosecute the current BushCheneyCo gang if she’s elected President. One more reason I won’t support her enthusiastically, although she’ll certainly get my general election vote if our nominee.

Our next Democratic President better not plan on any bygones policy — our Constitution deserves better and so do the American people. As Jane said, quoting Digby earlier, if it takes until 2020, so be it. Them’s the breaks, GOP.

Do the crime, do the time.

That’s me and Teddy on the float, by the way.

Guess which one is me.

Loo Hoo. @ 21

Justices Roberts and Alito should be impeached. Hello 2009.

I hope Pat Leahy’s still-overlooked inquiry about Brett Kavanaugh is the wedge in this door — let’s get ALL the BushCheneyCo Judiciary up in front of the SJC over their lies.

TeddySanFran @ 28

Given Bill Clinton’s inclination to let Iran-Contra bygones be bygones, I don’t expect Hillary to pursue and prosecute the current BushCheneyCo gang if she’s elected President. One more reason I won’t support her enthusiastically, although she’ll certainly get my general election vote if our nominee.

Our next Democratic President better not plan on any bygones policy — our Constitution deserves better and so do the American people. As Jane said, quoting Digby earlier, if it takes until 2020, so be it. Them’s the breaks, GOP.

Do the crime, do the time.

Amen to that brother.

Eureka Springs @ 14

I look at the lists and wonder what the heck went wrong with Blanche Lincoln who is a pro choice Democrat (supposedly). Mark Pryor is not.

If I had a small budget I would do a documentary on the AR Dem party through this next election cycle. We need a little Southern Exposure. And some help from the North.

yeah, outside agitators, that’s the ticket! *g*

There should be a way to recall supreme court justices who lie during their Senate confirmation hearings.

Both Alito and Roberts were lieing through their teeth; and what kind of an example does that set for truth in the judicial system when your highest judges are nothing but a bunch of liars?

Landrieu and Rockefeller have to go.

Titanyum @ 33

There should be a way to recall supreme court justices who lie during their Senate confirmation hearings.

Both Alito and Roberts were lieing through their teeth; and what kind of an example does that set for truth in the judicial system when your highest judges are nothing but a bunch of liars?

They can be impeached

Pachacutec @ 29

That’s me and Teddy on the float, by the way.

Guess which one is me.

Pach, you had me all wound up angry until that very last line. Trouble is I’m feeling too sick to laugh. But I am enjoying that image. And Queen of the Desert you are! I bow down before royalty.

Pach, I really like your point about segregation continuing long after Brown. I was two when Brown came dow, yet I attended segregated schools for the first six years. It was only with the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, with the potential for real penalties, that things began to change. Even then it was very slow.

TeddySanFran @ 32

Eureka Springs @ 14

I look at the lists and wonder what the heck went wrong with Blanche Lincoln who is a pro choice Democrat (supposedly). Mark Pryor is not.

If I had a small budget I would do a documentary on the AR Dem party through this next election cycle. We need a little Southern Exposure. And some help from the North.

yeah, outside agitators, that’s the ticket! *g*

Worked in the 50s and 60s. ;~)

Titanyum @ 33

There should be a way to recall supreme court justices who lie during their Senate confirmation hearings.

Both Alito and Roberts were lieing through their teeth; and what kind of an example does that set for truth in the judicial system when your highest judges are nothing but a bunch of liars?

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

RevDeb @ 39

Titanyum @ 33

There should be a way to recall supreme court justices who lie during their Senate confirmation hearings.

Both Alito and Roberts were lieing through their teeth; and what kind of an example does that set for truth in the judicial system when your highest judges are nothing but a bunch of liars?

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

And. please God, Scalia. All of the Four Horsemen have to go.

Loo Hoo. @ 34

Landrieu and Rockefeller have to go.

If Rockefeller were replaced would Feingold chair the Intel committee?

TSF, Actually outside agitators could not hurt…and this is a very different South now.. Bring in the union organizers – let’s bring labor into the southern fold.. Hello Wal-Mart

Pachacutec @ 29

That’s me and Teddy on the float, by the way.

Guess which one is me.

This one?

Or this one?

Teddy, don’t hate me cuz Ahm purty.

Eureka Springs @ 41

Loo Hoo. @ 34

Landrieu and Rockefeller have to go.

If Rockefeller were replaced would Feingold chair the Intel committee?

TSF, Actually outside agitators could not hurt…and this is a very different South now.. Bring in the union organizers – let’s bring labor into the southern fold.. Hello Wal-Mart

Wally-World will close down a store that unionizes, most rickey-tick!!! It had better be a significant paradigm shift down South for Associates!!!

RevDeb @ 39

Titanyum @ 33

There should be a way to recall supreme court justices who lie during their Senate confirmation hearings.

Both Alito and Roberts were lieing through their teeth; and what kind of an example does that set for truth in the judicial system when your highest judges are nothing but a bunch of liars?

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

I hate to support something that could come back to bite us in twenty or thirty years when the republicans can hold their heads high again? (Remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” movement?) But shouldn’t there be some enforceable penalty for lying to the Senate while under oath? Isn’t there anybody out there who heard Thomas and Alito and Scalia tell what’s in their hearts and then lie about it in their hearings?

oddmommy @ 16

Before everybody tries to jack me up, there’s a lot of real good people in the South who don’t support this stuff. In fact, we have one writing every day on this site. But the Old South is the heart of the political movement to destroy civil rights and reconstitute legally supported white racial supremacy.

perhaps; but just as a humble observation, I have witnessed other humble commenters who made statements similar to yours during the daylight hours being swiftly told to STFU, by the lady you mention.

But I think that’s because people sometimes people want to equate all southerners with racial prejudice. Seems to me it’s been acknowledged that there are more bigots in the south, but that not all southerners should be painted with the racist brushstroke.

Bad news is, it is going to be nothing but revisionist regressive/reactionary dictum from this wanker court…for years, one may assume.

On a up note, it will be the only fulcrum that the gop will have for quite awhile, a long while , one would hope.

AlexandriaCynic @ 45

RevDeb @ 39

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

I hate to support something that could come back to bite us in twenty or thirty years when the republicans can hold their heads high again? (Remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” movement?) But shouldn’t there be some enforceable penalty for lying to the Senate while under oath? Isn’t there anybody out there who heard Thomas and Alito and Scalia tell what’s in their hearts and then lie about it in their hearings?

Actually, all you have to do is compare their Senate testimony with their voting records on the bench. It is quite clear that they lied through their teeth.

Loo Hoo. @ 34

Landrieu and Rockefeller have to go.

Landrieu can kiss my ass. She should change parties. Every time I hear her name I conjure up the time she was yammering on to A Cooper about what a great president Bush was while standing in New Orleans knee deep in dead people.

As much as I loathe a liar.. the Senate needs to ask better questions and demand answers during confirmation hearings… Perhaps the best thing to do would be add a couple of seats to the court as a whole.

Loo Hoo. @ 46

oddmommy @ 16

perhaps; but just as a humble observation, I have witnessed other humble commenters who made statements similar to yours during the daylight hours being swiftly told to STFU, by the lady you mention.

But I think that’s because people sometimes people want to equate all southerners with racial prejudice. Seems to me it’s been acknowledged that there are more bigots in the south, but that not all southerners should be painted with the racist brushstroke.

Nor or all of the bigots in the south. Chicago is by far the most racist (and segregated) place that I have ever lived, and I grew up in a Jim Crow state.

Actually, all you have to do is compare their Senate testimony with their voting records on the bench. It is quite clear that they lied through their teeth.

All of which was obvious at the time, and if you carefully parse what they did say, they always left themselves trap doors that anyone listening at the time found obvious.

That didn’t stop our Dem enablers, though. Nor Nancy Keenan.

Pachacutec @ 29

That’s me and Teddy on the float, by the way.

Guess which one is me.

What float?

I agree the Republicans have become the Criminal Party and Dems who joined them in confirming their Supremes were idiots. Andas to this rollback of Brown v Bd of Ed—I live in the South and in a town that has been paralyzed for over a year. There is a pitched battle between a segment of parents in the community who are fighting the local Board of Ed’s redistricting plan which adjusted for race. The clique of parents have the resources to hire lawyers and they do.

I was struck during the coverage of the public hearings on the redistricting plan when the two Town Council representatives from the African-American community said they would not bother to attend any of them. They said, “We don’t need to. We already know how the people in our district feel about this plan.”

I couldn’t tell if that meant they were for or against the re-districting, but their actions were indifferent. The majority community was shall-we-say “conflicted”.

When the news of the latest decision came down, the local papers reported the redistricting plan had been built around the review and suggestions of Federal authorities (an office of civil rights enforcement I presume of the DOJ) and appeared at first blush to comply with the rules pre-decision. But now they have wait and see how the 189-page decision of the Supremes might alter the views of Federal authorities.

I have lived in the South all my life, and in 3 separate states of the South in the past 7 years. Education is always a political football. Everyone claims to want neighborhood schools, but nobody wants to pay for them, the teachers or the maintenance of them. The city-county consolidations have proven a disaster in every case because of white-flight. The new developments get the new schools and the inner city languishes. How is it race cannot be a factor?

AlexandriaCynic @ 45

RevDeb @ 39

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

I hate to support something that could come back to bite us in twenty or thirty years when the republicans can hold their heads high again? (Remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” movement?) But shouldn’t there be some enforceable penalty for lying to the Senate while under oath? Isn’t there anybody out there who heard Thomas and Alito and Scalia tell what’s in their hearts and then lie about it in their hearings?

They would have impeached him if they had the votes.

Leahy going after Brett Kavanaugh

Durbin on Brett Kavanaugh

Eureka Springs @ 50

As much as I loathe a liar.. the Senate needs to ask better questions and demand answers during confirmation hearings… Perhaps the best thing to do would be add a couple of seats to the court as a whole.

Absolutely. The confirmation hearings for Roberts and Alito were shams. The Dems in the Senate fell down on the job big time there.

Pachacutec @ 43

Teddy, don’t hate me cuz Ahm purty.

smart, too!

Pach, isn’t there some investigation against a judge (appellate court iirc) who is being investigated for lying to congress during his confirmation hearing? trying to remember the name, brett kavanaugh or similar maybe?

Loo Hoo. @ 46

oddmommy @ 16

perhaps; but just as a humble observation, I have witnessed other humble commenters who made statements similar to yours during the daylight hours being swiftly told to STFU, by the lady you mention.

But I think that’s because people sometimes people want to equate all southerners with racial prejudice. Seems to me it’s been acknowledged that there are more bigots in the south, but that not all southerners should be painted with the racist brushstroke.

True, but, Ohio, and, the ‘Great White St.’, NH, boast large KKK, Aryan Nation populations! There’s bigots everywhere! Just like there’s assholes in every crowd!!! 8-(

Mary McCurnin @ 49

Loo Hoo. @ 34

Landrieu and Rockefeller have to go.

Landrieu can kiss my ass. She should change parties. Every time I hear her name I conjure up the time she was yammering on to A Cooper about what a great president Bush was while standing in New Orleans knee deep in dead people.

I know the feeling but if Rockefeller and Landrieu were republicans or were replaced by republicans, we wouldn’t be having Senate Judiciary hearings with Leahy and Whitehouse.

By the way, I grew up in Richmond in the 50s and 60s and remember quite well what it was like to have unreconstructed southerners running things. Heck, many in my family fit that mold. Please don’t let us go back to a time when people didn’t even have to feel embarrassed when they spewed racial hatred.

Eureka Springs @ 50

As much as I loathe a liar.. the Senate needs to ask better questions and demand answers during confirmation hearings… Perhaps the best thing to do would be add a couple of seats to the court as a whole.

Add four to the Supremes, double the size of all the Appeals Courts, add nine new Districts. Call it The William Rehnquist Memorial Judiciary Workload Relief Act. Introduce it in January 2009, provided (goddess willing!!) we’ve elected a Democratic President.

So glad they have that warehouse filled to the brim with dry powder. Wouldn’t want to have to use it or anything.

Somebody should write a law that says that the Supreme Court can’t review cases that risk enhancing racism in the United States.

Loo Hoo. @ 53

Pachacutec @ 29

That’s me and Teddy on the float, by the way.

Guess which one is me.

What float?

Last word in the italicized note appended to Pachacutec’s post.

CTuttle @ 44
Eureka Springs @ 41

If Rockefeller were replaced would Feingold chair the Intel committee?

TSF, Actually outside agitators could not hurt…and this is a very different South now.. Bring in the union organizers – let’s bring labor into the southern fold.. Hello Wal-Mart
Wally-World will close down a store that unionizes, most rickey-tick!!! It had better be a significant paradigm shift down South for Associates!!!

Home office for Tyson and Wal-Mart are just a few miles apart and Mexicans have a long history of peaceful demonstrations… if we get them citizenship or legal residency… labor will have an entirely new army in play… Let Wal-Mart pay or shut down! I am so tired of walking through their stores and seeing such sad people working there.

And Tyson (which rumors are flying it may sell out from the Tyson family) relies on a whole lot of foreign labor as well.

Amen..If the Gods exist, then, on or after 01/20/09, they will call Justice Kennedy and/or Scalia home. If that doesn’t happen, then it’s time for court expansion to help those poor, over worked judges with their work load.

The most racist violence occurs where whites and blacks have lived in close proximity. Long, Island, New York, to this day, is some of the most segregated geography in the country, due to soft redlining and community exclusion, enforced by real estate agents.

The difference is, the anti-civil rights movement, as well as the current bloodlust for international racist crusading, is centered in the Old South, as a political movement.

This is not controversial. It’s just empirically true.

DrDick @ 57

Eureka Springs @ 50

As much as I loathe a liar.. the Senate needs to ask better questions and demand answers during confirmation hearings… Perhaps the best thing to do would be add a couple of seats to the court as a whole.

Absolutely. The confirmation hearings for Roberts and Alito were shams. The Dems in the Senate fell down on the job big time there.

They were afraid to filibuster. And WHY??

AlexandriaCynic @ 45:

I hate to support something that could come back to bite us in twenty or thirty years when the republicans can hold their heads high again?

You cannot think that way. If it is the right thing to impeach them or whatever, then we should do it. Let somebody else worry about what happens in 20 years. If liberal judges would lie at their confirmation hearings in 20 years, they deserve to be impeached as well – if they don’t – I can’t see how they could get impeached.

AlexandriaCynic @ 61

Please don’t let us go back to a time when people didn’t even have to feel embarrassed when they spewed racial hatred.

Hell, in Oklahoma they were doing that into the 70s and 80s. In some parts of Chicago, they still do, though somewhat more discretely.

RevDeb @ 63

So glad they have that warehouse filled to the brim with dry powder. Wouldn’t want to have to use it or anything.

You wouldn’t be singling out Keenan, now would ya??? That’s not nice!!! :P

Dammit, where’s the DC Madam when you need her?

You never know what news tomorrow will bring…

RevDeb @ 39

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

Alas, forensic analysis of the pubic hair is now impossible. The chain of custody has been broken. And Long Dong Silver is willing to provide testimony as to character. As long as he continues to keep his mouth shut, Thomas is unassailable.

All of this week’s horrific decisions just serve to underscore how critically important it is for a Democrat to be elected President in 2008. It verges on apostasy to say this around here, but any Democrat will do. If it turns out to be HRC, progressives are just going to have to suck it up.

CTuttle @ 72

RevDeb @ 63

So glad they have that warehouse filled to the brim with dry powder. Wouldn’t want to have to use it or anything.

You wouldn’t be singling out Keenan, now would ya??? That’s not nice!!! :P

Keenan, the gang of 14, Daschle, take your pick. They all wussed out saving it for . . . . I don’t know. Truly. I don’t.

burnspbesq @ 75

All of this week’s horrific decisions just serve to underscore how critically important it is for a Democrat to be elected President in 2008. It verges on apostasy to say this around here, but any Democrat will do. If it turns out to be HRC, progressives are just going to have to suck it up.

I agree, though I will do my utmost to see that someone truly progressive is nominated. ANY Dem is better than ALL of the Repubs combined.

RevDeb @ 76

Keenan, the gang of 14, Daschle, take your pick. They all wussed out saving it for . . . . I don’t know. Truly. I don’t.

RevDeb – so on the money.

GordonM @ 74

RevDeb @ 39

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

Alas, forensic analysis of the pubic hair is now impossible. The chain of custody has been broken. And Long Dong Silver is willing to provide testimony as to character. As long as he continues to keep his mouth shut, Thomas is unassailable.

Leopards don’t change their spots.

My hope is that each time SCOTUS turns the clock back the good citizens effected with turn the heat up and take to the streets. Just think what will happen when they repeal roe v wade. There are just some people you shouldn’t piss off. Blacks, Women, Gays, Asians, Firepups.

burnspbesq @ 75

All of this week’s horrific decisions just serve to underscore how critically important it is for a Democrat to be elected President in 2008. It verges on apostasy to say this around here, but any Democrat will do. If it turns out to be HRC, progressives are just going to have to suck it up.

And if we have to primary President Clinton in 2012 in order to get the fuck outta Iraq, we will.

GordonM @ 74

RevDeb @ 39

Don’t forget Clarence Thomas.

Alas, forensic analysis of the pubic hair is now impossible. The chain of custody has been broken. And Long Dong Silver is willing to provide testimony as to character. As long as he continues to keep his mouth shut, Thomas is unassailable.

Now that was certainly Not nice!!! 8-)

Drug Sleep time. Gotta find something to stop the cough and close the eyes.

G’night all.

burnspbesq @ 75

All of this week’s horrific decisions just serve to underscore how critically important it is for a Democrat to be elected President in 2008. It verges on apostasy to say this around here, but any Democrat will do. If it turns out to be HRC, progressives are just going to have to suck it up.

Ah, a conundrum…how to say HRC would be OK without discouraging President Gore? How to get Al to run if we don’t show that HRC can’t win? For my part, I’ll support the Democratic noominee even if (s)he is the devil her or himself. But for now, I’m for Gore.

RevDeb @ 83

Drug Sleep time. Gotta find something to stop the cough and close the eyes.

G’night all.

Sleep well. Feel better.

g’nite, reverend

RevDeb @ 83

Drug Sleep time. Gotta find something to stop the cough and close the eyes.

G’night all.

I had that thing two weeks ago. I feel for ya. Feel better.

RevDeb @ 83

Drug Sleep time. Gotta find something to stop the cough and close the eyes.

G’night all.

Night Rev. Sleep the sleep of the blessed.

burnspbesq @ 75

All of this week’s horrific decisions just serve to underscore how critically important it is for a Democrat to be elected President in 2008. It verges on apostasy to say this around here, but any Democrat will do. If it turns out to be HRC, progressives are just going to have to suck it up.

Kennedy is the Man! O’Connor could only drool over Kennedy’s cachet this Term!!! ;-)

RevDeb @ 83

Drug Sleep time. Gotta find something to stop the cough and close the eyes.

G’night all.

Nite, Ma’am!!!

Why isn’t it illegal to legalize racism?
Why isn’t it illegal to continue in office if you allow torture?

What is wrong with these people…

LS @ 91

Why isn’t it illegal to legalize racism?
Why isn’t it illegal to continue in office if you allow torture?

What is wrong with these people…

They’re twisted, demented and evil.

Next question?

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

AlexandriaCynic @ 84

burnspbesq @ 75

All of this week’s horrific decisions just serve to underscore how critically important it is for a Democrat to be elected President in 2008. It verges on apostasy to say this around here, but any Democrat will do. If it turns out to be HRC, progressives are just going to have to suck it up.

Ah, a conundrum…how to say HRC would be OK without discouraging President Gore? How to get Al to run if we don’t show that HRC can’t win? For my part, I’ll support the Democratic noominee even if (s)he is the devil her or himself. But for now, I’m for Gore.

I’ll second that!!! 8-)

TexB @ 92

LS @ 91

Why isn’t it illegal to legalize racism?
Why isn’t it illegal to continue in office if you allow torture?

What is wrong with these people…

They’re twisted, demented and evil.

Next question?

I know, I just needed to hear it again, just to make sure I’m not dreaming this stuff. ;~{

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

How much did you shell out for the indulgence? Hmmm…??? ;-)

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

Is it wonderful???

John Marshall Harlan.

Thurgood Marshall.

William Brennan.

William O. Douglas.

Heroes and patriots all.

And then there’s Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.

I fear that Roberts & Co. won’t be happy until they reaffirm Plessy v. Ferguson.

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

is your head hanging in shame or are ya proudly boasting?

Take a quick wiki ride down “impeach a Justice” lane, the last time the House undertook such an effort:

Although there is no doubt [William O.] Douglas fully believed in his causes, his busy speaking and publishing schedule were also motivated by dire financial circumstances. Never a wealthy man, Douglas became financially straitjacketed by a bitter divorce settlement with his first wife and then sank more deeply into financial difficulty as settlements with his second and third wives essentially took his entire Supreme Court salary. As a result, Douglas took extraordinary steps to supplement his income, which besides publishing included becoming president of the Parvin Foundation.

While Douglas’s efforts on behalf of the Parvin Foundation were in fact legitimate, his ties with the Foundation (which had been financed by the sale of the infamous Flamingo Hotel by casino financier and Foundation founder Albert Parvin) proved too much for then-House minority leader Gerald R. Ford to pass up. A number of additional factors came into play; besides being long disgusted with Douglas’s lifestyle, Ford also had seen Douglas protege Abe Fortas resign because of ties with a similar foundation, and had a political axe to grind as the Senate had failed to confirm Clement Haynsworth and G. Harrold Carswell to succeed Fortas on the Court. Thus, in April 1970 he moved to impeach Douglas, the first major modern era attempt to impeach a Supreme Court Justice. This was despite careful maneuvering by House Judiciary Chairman Emanuel Celler and the complete lack of proof that Douglas had done anything criminal (efforts by Attorney General John N. Mitchell and the Nixon administration to gather evidence to the contrary not withstanding).[4]

The hearings began in late April 1970, and Ford was the main witness, attacking Douglas’ “liberal opinions,” his “defense of the “filthy” film I Am Curious (Yellow), and his ties with the aforementioned Parvin. Additionally, he was criticized for accepting $350.00 for an article he wrote on folk music for the magazine Avant Garde. The magazine’s publisher had served a prison sentence for the distribution of another magazine in 1966 that had been deemed pornographic.

Describing Douglas’ article, Ford stated, “The article itself is not pornographic, although it praises the lusty, lurid, and risqué along with the social protest of left-wing folk singers.” Ford also attacked Douglas for the article in Evergreen Magazine, which was infamous for its proclivity for pictures of naked women.

The Republican congressmen refused to give the majority Democrats copies of the magazines, prompting Congressman Wayne Hays to remark ““Has anybody read the article — or is everybody over there who has a magazine just looking at the pictures?” [5]

When it became clear that the hearings were a farce, they were brought to a close, and no public vote on the matter was taken.

This effort and the struggles over the Fortas, Haynesworth, and Carswell nominations marked the beginning of the modern era of more partisan battles over Supreme Court nominees.

I was expecting this site to be on top of this situation. Gonna take a few coments back with me to a thread on MMFA. Thanks for bringing up impeachment, that was my thought Friday. Maria Cantwell could have some trouble over this. I hope she has some good competition next voting cycle.

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

My precious. My precious . . .

My plan would be to keep all school bldgs. in good repair, leave the kids in their neighborhoods, and ‘bus’ the best teachers in the districts to where they were needed most, and given merit pay.

Peterr @ 98

John Marshall Harlan.

Thurgood Marshall.

William Brennan.

William O. Douglas.

Heroes and patriots all.

And then there’s Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.

I fear that Roberts & Co. won’t be happy until they reaffirm Plessy v. Ferguson.

Full slavery? The 3/5 rule?

Milan River @ 102

My plan would be to keep all school bldgs. in good repair, leave the kids in their neighborhoods, and ‘bus’ the best teachers in the districts to where they were needed most, and given merit pay.

I like it.

Peterr @ 101

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

My precious. My precious . . .

LOL!

Milan River @ 102

My plan would be to keep all school bldgs. in good repair, leave the kids in their neighborhoods, and ‘bus’ the best teachers in the districts to where they were needed most, and given merit pay.

I’d like to add to that. No school, especially not a poor school, should ever have a first year principal with 3 first year assistant principals. That happened at a school here one year and they called them the “baby AP’s”. NOT good.

Milan River @ 102

My plan would be to keep all school bldgs. in good repair, leave the kids in their neighborhoods, and ‘bus’ the best teachers in the districts to where they were needed most, and given merit pay.

Unfortunately, it is really more complicated than that. Racial and economic integration serve an important function in improving the educational performance of minority and poor students.

please hard refresh for a history lesson at comment 100

thank you

DrDick @ 105

Peterr @ 101

My precious. My precious . . .

LOL!

There are ring tones, and there are ring tones. . .

One ring to rule them all,
One ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.

CTuttle @ 96

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

How much did you shell out for the indulgence? Hmmm…??? ;-)

Less than the combined cost of a 4mB iPod and a Windows Mobile smartphone. How’s that for a rationalization? ;-)

Sign the petition – draftgore.com

TeddySanFran @ 65

Loo Hoo. @ 53

What float?

Last word in the italicized note appended to Pachacutec’s post.

OMG, you two. Straighten up! jk OK, I’ll guess Teddy is on the right.

TeddySanFran @ 109

please hard refresh for a history lesson at comment 100

thank you

Thanks, Teddy. So it can be done – the lesson learned is that it must be done correctly and for other than trumped up farcical reasons.

Teddy is never on the right

In the right, always

On the right, hardly ;{)

I think going duck hunting with a defendant before your court qualifies as impeachable, and not farcical. Well, it has farcical tendencies, the hunting. But not the impeachable-ness!

Titanyum @ 70

AlexandriaCynic @ 45:

I hate to support something that could come back to bite us in twenty or thirty years when the republicans can hold their heads high again?

You cannot think that way. If it is the right thing to impeach them or whatever, then we should do it. Let somebody else worry about what happens in 20 years. If liberal judges would lie at their confirmation hearings in 20 years, they deserve to be impeached as well – if they don’t – I can’t see how they could get impeached.

Plus it would be setting precedent.

Rev Deb said: Forgiveness happens after contrition, but what I’ve learned about forgiveness is it’s for the forgiver. When we hold on to that shit, it only hurts ourselves.
Now, maybe y’all are going to point me to it’s different in personal situations, and maybe you’re right. But, I can’t forget that It’s All Connected.
And, I’m sorry Revdeb’s feeling puny. Seems like alot of colds and headaches goin’ ’round. And lots of other cranky stuff.
Full moon. SCOTUS. Not to mention our sorryass administration.
But, folks, it’s a Saturday Night. Don’t nobody want ta dance?

Anyone hungry for some grilled vegetables?

Teddy, I was referring to this part: When it became clear that the hearings were a farce, they were brought to a close, and no public vote on the matter was taken.

If the public thought that it was justified instead of a farce. Got to have a virtually smoking gun, caught red handed kind of case but it can be done.

TexB @ 97

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

Is it wonderful???

It has its moments. Operation is wonderfully intuitive. It does any number of things spectacularly well. The touch-screen keyboard, which I really thought would be the deal-killer, is incredibly good. It takes fantastic photos. Having a real web browser in your pocket is an amazing treat. And the display is just mind-blowingly good — bright, clear, easy to navigate.

Downsides? Two, so far. I can’t send messages from my Earthlink email account yet (I’ve had that problem with every wireless device I’ve ever owned, because Earthlink’s implementation of SMTP is quirky as hell, but I’ll get it to work eventually). And I’m concerned about battery life, although that will probably improve once I stop playing with it incessantly.

On balance, the only way it could be cooler would be if I had all of y’all on speed dial.

Dr Dick @108- I do hear you, however, tell that to the many harmed-due-to-bad-adult-professional-policy kids in the Cleveland School District in the 60s and 70s when they bussed, and kids were on the bus for almost an hour each way early morn. and evening. IMO, the district has never recovered. I heard most of the families wanted kids closer to home. Scores were not improved much.

TSF @ 100: was it Haynesworth or Carswell who was so eloquently defended with the “well, don’t mediocre people deserve a mediocre justice”? I always get them confused. I mean, there’s just too much mediocrity to keep it all straight.

demi @ 118

Rev Deb said: Forgiveness happens after contrition, but what I’ve learned about forgiveness is it’s for the forgiver. When we hold on to that shit, it only hurts ourselves.
Now, maybe y’all are going to point me to it’s different in personal situations, and maybe you’re right. But, I can’t forget that It’s All Connected.
And, I’m sorry Revdeb’s feeling puny. Seems like alot of colds and headaches goin’ ’round. And lots of other cranky stuff.
Full moon. SCOTUS. Not to mention our sorryass administration.
But, folks, it’s a Saturday Night. Don’t nobody want ta dance?

Lets do the second line.

RevDeb @ 83

Drug Sleep time. Gotta find something to stop the cough and close the eyes.

G’night all.

Night, RevDeb, hope you feel better. Nice comment about your ancestry today.

burnspbesq @ 121

TexB @ 97

Is it wonderful???

It has its moments. Operation is wonderfully intuitive. It does any number of things spectacularly well. The touch-screen keyboard, which I really thought would be the deal-killer, is incredibly good. It takes fantastic photos. Having a real web browser in your pocket is an amazing treat. And the display is just mind-blowingly good — bright, clear, easy to navigate.

Downsides? Two, so far. I can’t send messages from my Earthlink email account yet (I’ve had that problem with every wireless device I’ve ever owned, because Earthlink’s implementation of SMTP is quirky as hell, but I’ll get it to work eventually). And I’m concerned about battery life, although that will probably improve once I stop playing with it incessantly.

On balance, the only way it could be cooler would be if I had all of y’all on speed dial.

Us on speed dial can be arranged. I have never surfed the net on my phone. Never used it for email. Just telephone, camera & the occasional text message.

Suzanne @ 99

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

is your head hanging in shame or are ya proudly boasting?

A little of both, probably. I’m just a hopeless Gadget-Boy. It’s the same odd combination of feelings that one might have upon returning from a weekend at a great little B&B in the country, a weekend full of good food, better conversation, and even better sex … with Ann Coulter.

Mary McCurnin @ 123

demi @ 118

Rev Deb said: Forgiveness happens after contrition, but what I’ve learned about forgiveness is it’s for the forgiver. When we hold on to that shit, it only hurts ourselves.
Now, maybe y’all are going to point me to it’s different in personal situations, and maybe you’re right. But, I can’t forget that It’s All Connected.
And, I’m sorry Revdeb’s feeling puny. Seems like alot of colds and headaches goin’ ’round. And lots of other cranky stuff.
Full moon. SCOTUS. Not to mention our sorryass administration.
But, folks, it’s a Saturday Night. Don’t nobody want ta dance?

Lets do the second line.

??? do you want to dance?

Us on speed dial can be arranged. I have never surfed the net on my phone. Never used it for email. Just telephone, camera & the occasional text message.

You got me beat, Tex. I only use my cell phone for (gasp) telephone calls.

So, the talkers today have been that it is racist to refer to race when attempting to eliminate racist segregation. I heard this idiot on Washington Journal say something like that with a straight face and then callers accused his co-guest of being racist for protesting it.

GordonM @ 123

TSF @ 100: was it Haynesworth or Carswell who was so eloquently defended with the “well, don’t mediocre people deserve a mediocre justice”? I always get them confused. I mean, there’s just too much mediocrity to keep it all straight.

Carswell.

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

Is it hard to type with all those itty bitty alphabety things?

GordonM @ 123

TSF @ 100: was it Haynesworth or Carswell who was so eloquently defended with the “well, don’t mediocre people deserve a mediocre justice”? I always get them confused. I mean, there’s just too much mediocrity to keep it all straight.

Carswell. That was funny then. People actually mocked Hruska in DeeCee.

In defense against charges that Carswell was “mediocre”, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska stated, “Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance?”

demi @ 128

Mary McCurnin @ 123

Lets do the second line.

??? do you want to dance?

Hold my hand?

burnspbesq @ 127

A little of both, probably. I’m just a hopeless Gadget-Boy.

I have to admit that I do not understand any of this hype at all. Of course, I really do not like cell phones at all (I am one of those people who really does not want to be connected much of the time). I own one, but it just lives in the glove box of my rig, except when I go hiking in the back country.

I wonder if any of the talking heads on the sunday morning propaganda shows will be discussing the supremes negatively or will they be gushing with flattery about how hard it is to make hard decisions?

SCOTUS/Hollywood trivia . . .

Name the only Supreme Court justice to appear as an actor protraying another Supreme Court Justice.

Bonus points for naming the movie.

Peterr @ 137

SCOTUS/Hollywood trivia . . .

Name the only Supreme Court justice to appear as an actor protraying another Supreme Court Justice.

Bonus points for naming the movie.

Judge Judy!

Sure, hon.
Saturday night’s for fun, ain’t it?
And, for youse who don’t know me, I was born and bred in LA, but my fairygodmother is from TEXAS! Where I got my “Oh, my!”
Mare- Country dancin’ or shakin’ your ass?

Pachacutec @ 68

The most racist violence occurs where whites and blacks have lived in close proximity. Long, Island, New York, to this day, is some of the most segregated geography in the country, due to soft redlining and community exclusion, enforced by real estate agents.

The difference is, the anti-civil rights movement, as well as the current bloodlust for international racist crusading, is centered in the Old South, as a political movement.

This is not controversial. It’s just empirically true.

again, maybe……but just playing devil’s advocate here (which I am supposedtado, bein’s I’m a lawyer)…..my husband grew up in southern VA, in one of the satellite towns of the Norfolk naval base. He is old enough to remember segregation; BUT, the community that developed there in the ensuing decades there is one of the most purely integrated I’ve ever seen: i.e., neighborhoods where white and black folks literally live next door to each other, their kids attend the same public schools, and — though there is plenty of standard “redneck” violence — there has NOT been racially targeted violence.

We attribute it upon discussion to the military nature of the community — not a fan of the military, myself, but as far as I know there hasn’t been segregation there since the 1940’s.

I can always tell if a person is from NOLA by the way they dance.

DrDick @ 135

… Of course, I really do not like cell phones at all (I am one of those people who really does not want to be connected much of the time). I own one, but it just lives in the glove box of my rig, except when I go hiking in the back country.

And I live somewhere where they just don’t work. No joke. You have to drive at least 5 miles to get within range of a tower. No DSL either. No cable. Gee, isn’t it grand how competition improves service for everyone?

Suzanne @ 136

I wonder if any of the talking heads on the sunday morning propaganda shows will be discussing the supremes negatively or will they be gushing with flattery about how hard it is to make hard decisions?

… and how terribly fearful we all should be.

I just dare them to have Larry C. Johnson tell them what for. He really said a lot on Countdown about the “car bombs” in London.

Peterr,he wasn’t a Supreme court Justice, but Judge Jim Garrison appeared as Earl Warren in “JFK”.
Interesting, but no cigar.

I give up, Peterr. Do tell.

Loo Hoo. @ 132

burnspbesq @ 93

OT:

I am such a pathetic person. Totally lacking in self-control.

I swore that I wasn’t going to succumb to its charms. I knew there would be things about it that would make me nuts (and there are). Then I got my hands on it, and it was all over.

Yup, this comment is being posted from an iPhone.

Is it hard to type with all those itty bitty alphabety things?

Much easier (and more accurate) than I expected it to be. I’ve had various BlackBerrys, Treos, and the like since about 2001, so I have gotten pretty adept at thumbing my way through life. Thumbing on a touch-screen takes some getting used to, but I would bet that by the end of next week I’ll have it down pretty well.

Pach – great post. this supreme court is just getting its legs.

TeddySanFran – I haven’t laughed so hard remembering something I’d completely forgotten about in so long I can’t remember when. I met William Douglas at his house at a place called Goose Prairie, near Bumping Lake in Eastern Washington back in the summer of 1964, on a church trip. He was so down home, friendly. He invited us in for iced tea. I’d read his book, _Go, East, Young Man!_ but was tongue-tied in his presence.

I’d also forgotten that “Brown” was unanimous. unanimous!

DrDick @ 108

Milan River @ 102

My plan would be to keep all school bldgs. in good repair, leave the kids in their neighborhoods, and ‘bus’ the best teachers in the districts to where they were needed most, and given merit pay.

Unfortunately, it is really more complicated than that. Racial and economic integration serve an important function in improving the educational performance of minority and poor students.

Kids have to mix. That’s how it works.

Teddy, did you see Larry’s post re Scotland?

Blackmun played Story in Amistad. (My great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was John Marshall so I keep up on SCOTUS stuff.

And the answer is . . .

. . . retired Justice Harry Blackmun, playing Associate Justice Joseph Story in the 1997 movie Amistad.

Mary McCurnin @ 140

I can always tell if a person is from NOLA by the way they dance.

Well, I guess I’d be in trouble if this virtual thing wasn’t so cerebral.
Virtual food fights is one thing, but dancing only happens in person.
AND
Teddy – Larry Johnson is something else. My husband went to his Encino talk this last week. He comments there. I’m here. But, we share. Interesting combination, doncha think?

AlexandriaCynic @ 150

Blackmun played Story in Amistad. (My great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was John Marshall so I keep up on SCOTUS stuff.

Sorry — that should have been six greats. Is this almost as good as getting a zed?

AlexandriaCynic @ 150

Blackmun played Story in Amistad. (My great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was John Marshall so I keep up on SCOTUS stuff.

*ding*

Now THAT’S a family tree!

AlexandriaCynic @ 150

Blackmun played Story in Amistad. (My great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was John Marshall so I keep up on SCOTUS stuff.

One of my favorite justices, who precipitated a constitutional crisis with another retarded, blowhard, egomaniacal president.

Peterr @ 154

AlexandriaCynic @ 150

Blackmun played Story in Amistad. (My great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was John Marshall so I keep up on SCOTUS stuff.

*ding*

Now THAT’S a family tree!

Not so great actually. My cousins include Pat Robertson and Virgil Goode. So maybe a tree with deep roots and shallow bottomfeeders?

From Larry’s post (linked in my 149 above), his closing paragraph:

My main beef remains that much of the cable news media reacts to this nonsense like a fifty year old guy on V*agra or C*al*s–they pop major wood. And the same warnings are appropriate–an erection lasting more than four hours may be harmful. Amen.

*edited to allow through our filters

I wonder how SCOTUS is going to figure out how to nullify the impeachment?

burnspbesq @ 121

TexB @ 97

Is it wonderful???

It has its moments. Operation is wonderfully intuitive. It does any number of things spectacularly well. The touch-screen keyboard, which I really thought would be the deal-killer, is incredibly good. It takes fantastic photos. Having a real web browser in your pocket is an amazing treat. And the display is just mind-blowingly good — bright, clear, easy to navigate.

Downsides? Two, so far. I can’t send messages from my Earthlink email account yet (I’ve had that problem with every wireless device I’ve ever owned, because Earthlink’s implementation of SMTP is quirky as hell, but I’ll get it to work eventually). And I’m concerned about battery life, although that will probably improve once I stop playing with it incessantly.

On balance, the only way it could be cooler would be if I had all of y’all on speed dial.

I heard on radio today that it’s a slippery devil. Hard to hold on to with no “handles”.

Great youtube question for the next debate.

Mary McCurnin @ 158

I wonder how SCOTUS is going to figure out how to nullify the impeachment?

Oh, I’m sure that they can find a way. After all, they already found a way to nullify elections in Florida, didn’t they?

Suzanne @ 149

Teddy, did you see Larry’s post re Scotland?

It’s a short post. Johnson closes with this:

My main beef remains that much of the cable news media reacts to this nonsense like a fifty year old guy on V*agra or C*al*s–they pop major wood. And the same warnings are appropriate–an erection lasting more than four hours may be harmful. Amen.

~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~

They need to find a way to nullify the voids in their pea brains.

Suzanne, you rascal.

I may have quoted Johnson’s great ending before you, but didn’t think about the trapdoors. Now, I’m in mod limbo.

TeddySanFran @ 100

Take a quick wiki ride down “impeach a Justice” lane, the last time the House undertook such an effort:

Although there is no doubt [William O.] Douglas fully believed in his causes, his busy speaking and publishing schedule were also motivated by dire financial circumstances. Never a wealthy man, Douglas became financially straitjacketed by a bitter divorce settlement with his first wife and then sank more deeply into financial difficulty as settlements with his second and third wives essentially took his entire Supreme Court salary. As a result, Douglas took extraordinary steps to supplement his income, which besides publishing included becoming president of the Parvin Foundation.

While Douglas’s efforts on behalf of the Parvin Foundation were in fact legitimate, his ties with the Foundation (which had been financed by the sale of the infamous Flamingo Hotel by casino financier and Foundation founder Albert Parvin) proved too much for then-House minority leader Gerald R. Ford to pass up. A number of additional factors came into play; besides being long disgusted with Douglas’s lifestyle, Ford also had seen Douglas protege Abe Fortas resign because of ties with a similar foundation, and had a political axe to grind as the Senate had failed to confirm Clement Haynsworth and G. Harrold Carswell to succeed Fortas on the Court. Thus, in April 1970 he moved to impeach Douglas, the first major modern era attempt to impeach a Supreme Court Justice. This was despite careful maneuvering by House Judiciary Chairman Emanuel Celler and the complete lack of proof that Douglas had done anything criminal (efforts by Attorney General John N. Mitchell and the Nixon administration to gather evidence to the contrary not withstanding).[4]

The hearings began in late April 1970, and Ford was the main witness, attacking Douglas’ “liberal opinions,” his “defense of the “filthy” film I Am Curious (Yellow), and his ties with the aforementioned Parvin. Additionally, he was criticized for accepting $350.00 for an article he wrote on folk music for the magazine Avant Garde. The magazine’s publisher had served a prison sentence for the distribution of another magazine in 1966 that had been deemed pornographic.

Describing Douglas’ article, Ford stated, “The article itself is not pornographic, although it praises the lusty, lurid, and risqué along with the social protest of left-wing folk singers.” Ford also attacked Douglas for the article in Evergreen Magazine, which was infamous for its proclivity for pictures of naked women.

The Republican congressmen refused to give the majority Democrats copies of the magazines, prompting Congressman Wayne Hays to remark ““Has anybody read the article — or is everybody over there who has a magazine just looking at the pictures?” [5]

When it became clear that the hearings were a farce, they were brought to a close, and no public vote on the matter was taken.

This effort and the struggles over the Fortas, Haynesworth, and Carswell nominations marked the beginning of the modern era of more partisan battles over Supreme Court nominees.

jeeeeez louise. Talk about a Ford-hagiography buster…….

oddmommy: the trend holds over US history. In the parts of the midwest, for example, where the races lived in closer proximity, there was violence, especially when sundown laws were violated.

It’s not that Southern whites are more racist than whites in other places. It’s just that the Old South propels a political movement based on white supremacy. Sometimes working class whites outside the South go along with it, and sometimes they vote economics. Hence the “Reagan Democrats.”

The exception may come from the military culture of the Norfolk area, as you suggest. The military is the most integrated American institution, bar none. This, by executive order of a Democratic president.

My cousins include Pat Robertson and Virgil Goode. So maybe a tree with deep roots and shallow bottomfeeders?

A couple of nuts for sure. (Here squirrel!)

Speaking of Youtubes, has anyone seen this?

In the south, churches and their private schools have always been the linchpins that both justifies and prolongs racism in every community.

As bad as this ruling is, it is but one in a series of attacks facing public schools right now in our state. We really are heading back fifty years or more.

And I attended Kindergarten in Little Rocks Central High School in 1970. This year is the big 50th anniversary… now, not so much to celebrate.

Calling it a night, everyone. Tomorrow’s a work day!

Oh, and in honor of punaise: My contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.

One of these days, someone needs to ask Chris Dodd about his vote for Roberts.

ET, you were freed by the Mod Squad. I saw I was faster and remembered the trap doors :) How ya doing?

Night Peterr. I’m am sure that you will inspire and uplift the flock. Keep beating down the devil and you are truly doing God’s work.

Good night Peterr.

Peterr @ 170

Calling it a night, everyone. Tomorrow’s a work day!

Oh, and in honor of punaise: My contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.

One of these days, someone needs to ask Chris Dodd about his vote for Roberts.

nite peterr. most excellent quiz!

Dru @ 166

My cousins include Pat Robertson and Virgil Goode. So maybe a tree with deep roots and shallow bottomfeeders?

A couple of nuts for sure. (Here squirrel!)

Yeah. I’ve considered suicide but that wouldn’t get rid of them. Electing Senator Warner next year (Mark, not John) would be a pretty cool way to show them that Virginia is purple shading towards blue. Oh. And trouncing Cousin Virg at the polls would be great, too. What a maroon!

oddmommy @ 140

Pachacutec @ 68

The most racist violence occurs where whites and blacks have lived in close proximity. Long, Island, New York, to this day, is some of the most segregated geography in the country, due to soft redlining and community exclusion, enforced by real estate agents.

The difference is, the anti-civil rights movement, as well as the current bloodlust for international racist crusading, is centered in the Old South, as a political movement.

This is not controversial. It’s just empirically true.

again, maybe……but just playing devil’s advocate here (which I am supposedtado, bein’s I’m a lawyer)…..my husband grew up in southern VA, in one of the satellite towns of the Norfolk naval base. He is old enough to remember segregation; BUT, the community that developed there in the ensuing decades there is one of the most purely integrated I’ve ever seen: i.e., neighborhoods where white and black folks literally live next door to each other, their kids attend the same public schools, and — though there is plenty of standard “redneck” violence — there has NOT been racially targeted violence.

We attribute it upon discussion to the military nature of the community — not a fan of the military, myself, but as far as I know there hasn’t been segregation there since the 1940’s.

You know, I think this decision-screwed up as it is-may have less impact than the 5 Supremes wanted. People are really integrated, like it or not, and it ain’t going to go in the opposite direction.

People who choose to segregate their children from Blacks or Mexicans will only be limiting the future of their children. It just plain is what it is in 2007. F*ck ‘em.

Suzanne @ 149

Teddy, did you see Larry’s post re Scotland?

Wow, LCJ gets some colorful commenters, don’t he?

huzzah for our mods!!

Pachacutec @ 166

oddmommy: the trend holds over US history. In the parts of the midwest, for example, where the races lived in closer proximity, there was violence, especially when sundown laws were violated.

It’s not that Southern whites are more racist than whites in other places. It’s just that the Old South propels a political movement based on white supremacy. Sometimes working class whites outside the South go along with it, and sometimes they vote economics. Hence the “Reagan Democrats.”

The exception may come from the military culture of the Norfolk area, as you suggest. The military is the most integrated American institution, bar none. This, by executive order of a Democratic president.

So what is the solution?

Night Peterr. Night all.

So if Gonzales doesn’t know and Bush claims he doesn’t know and he wasn’t involved who did fire the US Attorneys?

Judge Kavanaugh is guilty of lying to Congress and under oath does not matter legally but Kavanaugh was under oath.

He needs to be removed from the bench for the felony he has committed and if this DOJ doesn’t investigate Kavanaugh to remove him, you can bet the next one will under a Democratic President.

Any of you know who fired the US Attorneys? How long until Kavanaugh is removed from the bench? It’s long overdue to file criminal contempt charges against personnel in the White House.

AlexandriaCynic @ 179

Night Peterr. Night all.

Sleep well cynic.

Night, AC. My condolences on your cousins. Hopefully they are rather distant cousins.

Pachacutec @ 168

Speaking of Youtubes, has anyone seen this?

I love the one in the quick scroll,
Little Miss Can’t Be Wrong!
Why I’m not on board (okay, one of the reasons)with Ms. Hillary.
That, and I’m for healing and I don’t thinks she can pull that off. Not seeing that there.

chch16 @ 180

So if Gonzales doesn’t know and Bush claims he doesn’t know and he wasn’t involved who did fire the US Attorneys?

Judge Kavanaugh is guilty of lying to Congress and under oath does not matter legally but Kavanaugh was under oath.

He needs to be removed from the bench for the felony he has committed and if this DOJ doesn’t investigate Kavanaugh to remove him, you can bet the next one will under a Democratic President.

Any of you know who fired the US Attorneys? How long until Kavanaugh is removed from the bench? It’s long overdue to file criminal contempt charges against personnel in the White House.

NFS

Solution?

I don’t know that we can change in any fundamental way the politics of the South. As (Faulkner?) said, in the South, the past isn’t even past.

But as far as national politics go now, for the first time in more than 100 years, we have a national majority that does not need the Old South to dominate national politics.

The Northeast, the industrial Midwest, the Mountain West ad the West are turning into a true blue majority.

Well, I think it is time for me to head out as well. Take care and enjoy the snark.

Nite Aunt Betsy. And yes, Dr. Dick, they’re distant cousins. The Chief left a bunch of offsprings. Not to undermine my own bona fides, but Primogenitur doesn’t make a lot of sense…the gene pool gets diluted and you end up with a small number of smart Dems and a big number of idiot republicans.

My bestest friend in the world who is from Mississippi said “Faulkner, around here we mostly consider him a reporter.”

AlexandriaCynic @ 175

Dru @ 166

My cousins include Pat Robertson and Virgil Goode. So maybe a tree with deep roots and shallow bottomfeeders?

A couple of nuts for sure. (Here squirrel!)

Yeah. I’ve considered suicide but that wouldn’t get rid of them. Electing Senator Warner next year (Mark, not John) would be a pretty cool way to show them that Virginia is purple shading towards blue. Oh. And trouncing Cousin Virg at the polls would be great, too. What a maroon!

I sent some $ to Al Weed and will again. Virgil gives me fits. Senator Mark not John sounds wonderful, too.
Goodnite from Richmond!

AlexandriaCynic @ 153

AlexandriaCynic @ 150

Blackmun played Story in Amistad. (My great-great-great-great-great grandaddy was John Marshall so I keep up on SCOTUS stuff.

Sorry — that should have been six greats. Is this almost as good as getting a zed?

Better! You’ve got blood, friend.

Suzanne @ 171

ET, you were freed by the Mod Squad. I saw I was faster and remembered the trap doors :) How ya doing?

We hosted a wedding for Ms ET’s friend Olga today. She’s a Russian emigre, marrying a liberal Mormon, whose mom – still lives in Salt Lake City – is even more liberal. Modest wedding with about 30 people. The weather was nice, and I took lots of little kids down to the lake to show them how to fish for the trout. Nobody caught any, but the water’s clear enough, they could see some big ones following their lures.

Mary -
Your friend knows the literature.

Anyone ready for dessert? Kisses!

what, indeed, is the solution…..since the record seems to suggest that the closer you get to integration — i.e., living in close proximity — the more violence there is.

On a lighter note, it all kind of reminds me of my Greek mother, whose overall approach to controversy is exemplified by her proud proclamations that there is NO SUCH THING as racism in Greece….to which one is compelled to respond, yes mother, that is because 95 % of the people in Greece are the same color, and the same religion.

ET, that sounds like a lovely day. (deep sigh) One day I will get up to see your lovely state.

How does it work for a 5 year old non-minority, or minority kid, or non-poor kid, or poor kid who really just wants to be home more, and doesn’t want to sit on the bus for hours. Busing can be traumatic, and can lead to many public school kids going to parochial schools. That detracts from the desired intended mix, and you are back in a similar situation again. I think a person can ask this question and still be on the verge of enlightenment.

TexB @ 193

Anyone ready for dessert? Kisses!

perfect snack for munchin’ on at the lake

Pachacutec @ 185

Solution?

I don’t know that we can change in any fundamental way the politics of the South. As (Faulkner?) said, in the South, the past isn’t even past.

But as far as national politics go now, for the first time in more than 100 years, we have a national majority that does not need the Old South to dominate national politics.

The Northeast, the industrial Midwest, the Mountain West ad the West are turning into a true blue majority.

‘cept us. Alaska was notoriously progressive before the oil money and oilfield labor market brought the old South to the new North. Hopefully, though, we’ll bounce back.

Milan River @ 196

How does it work for a 5 year old non-minority, or minority kid, or non-poor kid, or poor kid who really just wants to be home more, and doesn’t want to sit on the bus for hours. Busing can be traumatic, and can lead to many public school kids going to parochial schools. That detracts from the desired intended mix, and you are back in a similar situation again. I think a person can ask this question and still be on the verge of enlightenment.

I’d rather see more neighborhoods become multi-SES, multi-racial & multi-ethnic

Suzanne @ 197

TexB @ 193

Anyone ready for dessert? Kisses!

perfect snack for munchin’ on at the lake

Not for you detective! You get these.

Ed*ard Teller @ 198

‘cept us. Alaska was notoriously progressive before the oil money and oilfield labor market brought the old South to the new North. Hopefully, though, we’ll bounce back.

I’m sure it’s from watching entirely too much teevee, but i never would have imagined Alaska as anything but Progressive, until I actually looked.

How did the showing go, Suz?

Teddy, you still here? You got mail.

Nitie Nite!

Thanks, Tes. Love me some jelly bellies.

LooHoo, the one early yesterday morning went well and the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods is on that buyer’s short list. Had another showing today and one coming up this week with yet another cash buyer, a retired gentleman who wants to move back into the area.

Still have my fingers and toes crossed.

Mary McCurnin @ 204

Nitie Nite!

Sleep well.

TexB @ 198

Milan River @ 196

How does it work for a 5 year old non-minority, or minority kid, or non-poor kid, or poor kid who really just wants to be home more, and doesn’t want to sit on the bus for hours. Busing can be traumatic, and can lead to many public school kids going to parochial schools. That detracts from the desired intended mix, and you are back in a similar situation again. I think a person can ask this question and still be on the verge of enlightenment.

I’d rather see more neighborhoods become multi-SES, multi-racial & multi-ethnic

yes….and that is why I think there is a slight crossing of wires in this conversation. If I understand correctly, Pach is focused more on the political solution to the power of the segregationists……and what you and I are getting at, Ms. Betsy, is more along the lines of why can’t there BE true integration?

Apologize in advance if I have misconstrued anything.

Sorry, Tex, about missing spelling your name, ma’am.

G’nite Mary M.

Mary McCurnin @ 204

Nitie Nite!

nite mary. Hope you’ll grace us with more of your artistic blessings soon. Another Sunday nite recital, perhaps…

Ok, too many typo’s for me. Off to bed with me – g’nite all.

Mary McCurnin @ 204

Nitie Nite!

Mary, I didn’t mention how sorry I am that your entire family has been screwed by this administration. Hope you’re still here.

Suzanne @ 205

Thanks, Tes. Love me some jelly bellies.

LooHoo, the one early yesterday morning went well and the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods is on that buyer’s short list. Had another showing today and one coming up this week with yet another cash buyer, a retired gentleman who wants to move back into the area.

Still have my fingers and toes crossed.

Ah! Suzanne, me too!

TexB @199, WADR
I would too. It sadly is not the case now. That can not be enforced. So, I figure we do the best with what we have, and don’t hurt people with an experiment that we have no conclusive understanding of the outcome.

Milan River @ 196

How does it work for a 5 year old non-minority, or minority kid, or non-poor kid, or poor kid who really just wants to be home more, and doesn’t want to sit on the bus for hours. Busing can be traumatic, and can lead to many public school kids going to parochial schools. That detracts from the desired intended mix, and you are back in a similar situation again. I think a person can ask this question and still be on the verge of enlightenment.

You’ve described – in broad strokes – the situation my younger brothers in Seattle and Portland OR have been going through now for sixteen years. Each brother has four kids. The one in Seattle with a fair amount of money has been putting three of his four kids through private schools. The one in Portland, who doesn’t make a lot, is sending all his kids through Catholic schools. Both familys’ problems initially came from situations other than affirmative action structures there, but each had a situation confronting them of a very young child spending at least two and a half hours a day being transported to a school outside their community.

Where we live, the communities are – so far – being built very multi-ethnically. Especially since about 1992.

Good night Suzanne!

Think I will follow. See y’all Sunday.

Ed*ard Teller @ 214

Milan River @ 196

How does it work for a 5 year old non-minority, or minority kid, or non-poor kid, or poor kid who really just wants to be home more, and doesn’t want to sit on the bus for hours. Busing can be traumatic, and can lead to many public school kids going to parochial schools. That detracts from the desired intended mix, and you are back in a similar situation again. I think a person can ask this question and still be on the verge of enlightenment.

You’ve described – in broad strokes – the situation my younger brothers in Seattle and Portland OR have been going through now for sixteen years. Each brother has four kids. The one in Seattle with a fair amount of money has been putting three of his four kids through private schools. The one in Portland, who doesn’t make a lot, is sending all his kids through Catholic schools. Both familys’ problems initially came from situations other than affirmative action structures there, but each had a situation confronting them of a very young child spending at least two and a half hours a day being transported to a school outside their community.

Where we live, the communities are – so far – being built very multi-ethnically. Especially since about 1992.

My son walks to the local middle school 5 blocks away. And he’s getting a great education. I moved to this neighborhood to be closer to his school.

nite betsy. nite suzanne.

dude @ 54

I agree the Republicans have become the Criminal Party and Dems who joined them in confirming their Supremes were idiots. Andas to this rollback of Brown v Bd of Ed—I live in the South and in a town that has been paralyzed for over a year. There is a pitched battle between a segment of parents in the community who are fighting the local Board of Ed’s redistricting plan which adjusted for race. The clique of parents have the resources to hire lawyers and they do.

I was struck during the coverage of the public hearings on the redistricting plan when the two Town Council representatives from the African-American community said they would not bother to attend any of them. They said, “We don’t need to. We already know how the people in our district feel about this plan.”

I couldn’t tell if that meant they were for or against the re-districting, but their actions were indifferent. The majority community was shall-we-say “conflicted”.

When the news of the latest decision came down, the local papers reported the redistricting plan had been built around the review and suggestions of Federal authorities (an office of civil rights enforcement I presume of the DOJ) and appeared at first blush to comply with the rules pre-decision. But now they have wait and see how the 189-page decision of the Supremes might alter the views of Federal authorities.

I have lived in the South all my life, and in 3 separate states of the South in the past 7 years. Education is always a political football. Everyone claims to want neighborhood schools, but nobody wants to pay for them, the teachers or the maintenance of them. The city-county consolidations have proven a disaster in every case because of white-flight. The new developments get the new schools and the inner city languishes. How is it race cannot be a factor?

What about removing school systems from the local property tax? What about having the federal government collect the taxes and give out the money in and equitable way? We wouldn’t have rich districts and poor districts. Or maybe it could be a state function. And then ALL schools would be equally attractive, and the emphasis would be on school offerings, not on racial distribution. I believe that racial distribution would then happen naturally. I suppose this is too pie in the sky, but I believe I read a reply (somewhere) from a NY stater that they are trying to do something like this. I really hate to read about the local wars regarding schools. It does the community and the kids no good at all.

Pach has a new one up: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..m-and-pam/

FYI, new thread

Good night all- thanks for showing more facets to things.

Thanks, Pach.

Was it Justice Brennan who said that if the wrong was race-conscious, the remedy must be race-conscious?

i know, late to the party is likely to mean not even noticed, but …

it sure seems like more than the old southern heartland is represented by the color coded maps shown here : http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

one of these days, southern progressives like me and countless others will receive more than a courteous head nod in a post such as this before the beatings begin. i’m am so looking forward to the days where political neandrathals can be thrashed without taking a whole region of this country to task almost blindly. is it just too much of a challenge to write in such a manner? i suppose it may be …

Just joining, but I did hear these comments on the week. NPR is talking about Roberts’ claim to “judicial modesty.” That sounds exactly like the W’s promise of “humble foreign policy” when he was a 2000 Candidate. Neither defined his terms. And on the Matthews’ panel this a.m., Roberts has fulfilled the W’s hopes beyond his (W’s) dreams. It is going to be a bumpy and long ride.

demi @ 9

Pach
Soon as I hear any future Democratic president talking about forgetting what all happened between 2000-2008 for the sake of “national healing,” I ’spect I’ll be on him (or her) like a queer duck on a june bug.
Right on, brother!
Forgiving and forgetting may be a good way to go with some personal situations, but, you are so right!

But by that time it will already be too late because we will already have been fooled again and that person will be in the White House and serving his or her corporate racist homophobic masters.

And don’t for one minute think we won’t be fooled again. Why? Because we want to believe that this time, this one is different. Hell, listen to the fiery speeches of Robert Byrd and then note his name on both those lists. Look where Chris Dodd and Russ Feingold turn up. The names on those lists, the bed-ridden Tim Johnson included, are not the names of politicians Democrats should be supporting.

Astilbe @ 218

dude @ 54

I agree the Republicans have become the Criminal Party and Dems who joined them in confirming their Supremes were idiots. Andas to this rollback of Brown v Bd of Ed—I live in the South and in a town that has been paralyzed for over a year. There is a pitched battle between a segment of parents in the community who are fighting the local Board of Ed’s redistricting plan which adjusted for race. The clique of parents have the resources to hire lawyers and they do.

I was struck during the coverage of the public hearings on the redistricting plan when the two Town Council representatives from the African-American community said they would not bother to attend any of them. They said, “We don’t need to. We already know how the people in our district feel about this plan.”

I couldn’t tell if that meant they were for or against the re-districting, but their actions were indifferent. The majority community was shall-we-say “conflicted”.

When the news of the latest decision came down, the local papers reported the redistricting plan had been built around the review and suggestions of Federal authorities (an office of civil rights enforcement I presume of the DOJ) and appeared at first blush to comply with the rules pre-decision. But now they have wait and see how the 189-page decision of the Supremes might alter the views of Federal authorities.

I have lived in the South all my life, and in 3 separate states of the South in the past 7 years. Education is always a political football. Everyone claims to want neighborhood schools, but nobody wants to pay for them, the teachers or the maintenance of them. The city-county consolidations have proven a disaster in every case because of white-flight. The new developments get the new schools and the inner city languishes. How is it race cannot be a factor?

What about removing school systems from the local property tax? What about having the federal government collect the taxes and give out the money in and equitable way? We wouldn’t have rich districts and poor districts. Or maybe it could be a state function. And then ALL schools would be equally attractive, and the emphasis would be on school offerings, not on racial distribution. I believe that racial distribution would then happen naturally. I suppose this is too pie in the sky, but I believe I read a reply (somewhere) from a NY stater that they are trying to do something like this. I really hate to read about the local wars regarding schools. It does the community and the kids no good at all.

Your second sentence moots the effectiveness of your suggestion when an a**hole like the current president can take our tax dollars and, basically, dole them out to his friends with no one in Congress doing a damn thing about it.

Ed*ard Teller @ 147

…
this supreme court is just getting its legs.

… I met William Douglas …

I’d also forgotten that “Brown” was unanimous. unanimous!

What that means is that the Evil 5 of our court overruled not only the other 4, but all 9 of the original Brown Court and any of the other courts in between who upheld Brown (not sure how many of those there might’ve been).

The bastards!