During their confirmation hearings, Justices Roberts and Alito told Judiciary Committee members how much they respected stare decisis, the principle that past Supreme Court decisions would be honored and not overruled without compelling reasons to do so. These assurances were part of the elaborate charade put on to fool the willingly gullible Gang of 14 and calm Democratic fears that these new justices would apply a slash and burn approach through the great liberal decisions of the last 50 years. But now that the Roberts/Alito Court has finished its first term, it is painfully clear that there is no precedent, liberal or conservative, of any age that is safe from their radicalism and duplicity.
Christy wrote yesterday about how the new radical “Gang of Five” had cracked the foundations of Brown v. Board of Education (1954) by overruling local diversity efforts to reverse decades of past racial discrimination. For more expert analyses, see recent posts at Balkanization and others compiled here, especially the Mike Graber quote (h/t Christy). But I think Eugene Robinson’s reaction is spot on:
This court would have been perfectly happy for me to go to the “black” high school in my hometown of Orangeburg, S.C., instead of following a handful of pioneers who integrated the “white” school. This court has the whole concept of affirmative action in its sights. Sorry about the whole slavery thing, and the whole Jim Crow thing, and the whole “separate but equal” thing, and, oh yes, the whole racism thing. That was then, and this is now
If we as a society — black, white, brown, yellow, red — are going to work toward fairness, inclusion, equality and, yes, integration, we’re going to have to do it by working around those dour men in black robes on Capitol Hill. They have decided to stand in the schoolhouse door.
Earlier this year we saw the new radical majority undermine Roe v. Wade (1973) and then women’s rights to pursue discrimination cases. This week also saw an orgy of unrestrained radical activism as the Court undermined the First Amendment’s protection of free speech in the student banner case and protection against government establishing a religion in the faith-based funding case, the latter effectively overruling a 39-year-old decision. What next?
If 30- to 50-year old precedents are not safe, what is? The answer came in a less noticed decision, Leegin v. PSKS, in which the same 5-4 radical majority overturned a 1911 decision, ruling that it was not an automatic violation of the antitrust laws for manufacturers to fix prices and prevent competing retailers from competing by offering price discounts. Now think about applying that principle to gasoline prices and independent gas stations.
One of the foundation principles of the antitrust statutes and the cases interpreting them is that fixing prices is a per se violation of the law. If you fix prices, you’re guilty and you pay huge damages to those harmed by the price fixing; you can’t wiggle out if it. There are few exceptions, because price fixing is so inimical to the whole theory of competition. But this Court held that price fixing to prevent discounts to consumers can be okay, because — wait for it — it may promote competition by protecting competitors from competition! We’re back to case-by-case analyses, where much mischief will occur.
You’d think a true “conservative” court would, in addition to honoring 100-year-old precedents, at least nurture antitrust laws, designed to protect markets from collusion by suppliers or buyers that undermine the benefits of competition. But this court is not “conservative.” It is deeply radical, and it had already proven that with decisions shielding corporations from suits by shareholders and consumers who had been defrauded by illegal corporate mismanagement. Think Enron. Much of the policing of corporate behavior is done by shareholder suits, a form of “self regulation” to back up enforcement by state and federal Attorneys General. But if the Supremes limit such suits, self regulation becomes a hollow deterrent.
In all these cases, the dissents lay out the tortured logic, neglect of precedent and harmful effect on the public interest. But the most radical of the new majority also accused Roberts or Alito of being disingenuous when they claimed they were not overturning precedent when in fact they were. Of course, Scalia and Thomas, who don’t shed tears over stare decisis, would have preferred the new radical majority just explicitly overrule the old precedents, rather than pretend they hadn’t.
We could be in for decades of dreadful decisions from a group of relatively young, committed radicals with little regard for precedent and a mean-spirited view of the Constitution, its Bill of Rights, and the public interest. We should assume no precedent that protects the public interest is safe, no principle of the Constitution that preserves our rights is sacred.
Someone observed after Alito’s confirmation that everything we were taught before about the Constitution and Supreme Court precedents just became inoperative. Or as Stanford Law Professor, Pam Karlan, put it at a meeting of the American Constitutional Society yesterday, “if this is the birth of a new constitutional era . . . what an ugly baby.”
Photo Credit: Storm clouds over Supreme Court, Jonathan Ernst/Reuters.
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G’Morning, scarecrow! You’ve scared me into wakefulness – without any coffee, too! What can be done?
Great post, Scarecrow.
Very interesting, but scary post. Of course, I knew in 2000 and again in 2004 that I was in for some big-time scarin’ (thank you, Ralph Nader!).
I am curious, if you know: is the fact that Roberts and Alito promised under oath to honor past precedents actually binding? Thanks.
-MS
Down with Child labor laws! They interfere with the right of parents to control their children.
So, who are the “activist” judges now?
I wonder if everyone remembers how Bill Frist was threatening to exercise the “nuclear option” and get rid of the Senate rule regarding filibustering. Too bad the Dems didn’t call his hand and let it happen.
Good morning Scarecrow!
This court makes me want to scream.
“it may promote competition by protecting competitors from competition!”
We are seeing decades of progress being ripped out. Thank you for helping us understand what’s going on. I always look forward to your analyses of legal issues and the war.
Anyone recall the first Haymarket Massacare?
this has been a pretty depressing week…
as i child i remember learning that the courts were dedicated to the truth and to fairness…. where the “little” person was protected from the power of the “important” people.
i was, i think, 12 – when my bicycle was improperly ticketed while parked at school. i was outraged at my $3 ticket in the way only a preadolescent girl can be. so my parents talked to a lawyer friend of the theirs (probably jag) who went to court with me, where i testified before a military tribunal (we lived on a military base). and the judges believed me and cancelled the ticket.
so hard to leave behind the myths of my childhood.
Like all the hypocritical Bush speak, he rails against “activist judges who try to write law from their bench” and then installs just that in the highest court in the land.
Wonder which side this court will come down on if Congress takes Bush to court with a contempt citation. The coup d’etat is complete.
Think of it this way: it only took 50 years of progress at all deliberate speed to fix all the problems of segregation.
selise @ 10
Hmm, you weren’t one of those officer’s kids who we had to stop and salute when they drove their cars with those little blue stickers on them were you?
raven @ 13
no, my dad wasn’t even in the military – he worked for a contractor (bell labs).
The goal of the right wing moneybags is the destruction of the New Deal. There is a residual hatred of FDR that motivates this burning desire. The billionaires that backed the empty suits Ronald Reagan and our Dear Leader have dreamed of revenge for decades, and now their time is upon us.
selise @ 14
Just jokin around! Choppers huh?
Could this be good news, we sure need some?
Here’s a funny one from Barack Obama. In commenting on the SCOTUS ruling on Brown v. BofE remarked, Obama said I would not be here now if it was not for Brown V. Board of Education.
The funny thing about this is that Obama was educated at the Punahou Academy, the most elite private high school in Hawaii. A long time ago, it was an enclave for rich haoles (white folks). I doubt if Obama ever had to rely in any sense on Brown v. BofE to get his education.
What’s more Punahou, when I was a kid in Hawaii, used to use racial quotas to limit the number of Hawaiian and Asian students in the school. It is different now, and there is lots of diversity there. Stephen case, a white boy and founder of AOL went there, and current student, golfer Michelle Wie is Korean-American. My nephew went there and he is Chinese-Hawaiian-Irish.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Obama, but he has a tendency to come out with off-the-wall comments. I truly wish him well.
Corporatacracy rules.
Wait until the end point of this – employees outsourced, free market pricing, total control without regulation – they are mountain top mining this country – literally. When only the toxic wastes are left – un-reclamable garbage -they will leave us to die off and pursue greener pastures.
Heck, it’s already happening. We are allowing this gutting of government, of national treasure and of our very lives. How do we stop this travesty?
How do we “work around” the supreme court?
GeorgeSimian @ 11
we must impeach. if we can’t count on the courts, and we know we can’t count on the POTUS or the OVP to accept any constraints on their power…. then, what other option do we have?
In comparing the SCROTUS decisions this week with the congressional hearings recently, we see the difference between consequential acts in the judicial and the empty rhetorical posturing in the legislative oversight process.
the scant majority of the Opus Dei motherfuckers has overturned close to 100 years of precedent.
WASF!
There is still time for Stonewall Cheney
to hit the trifecta…
Executive, legislative and the judiciary (to
be worked on by Adda Boy Addington?
We continue to write that “we must….” But who is “we” at this point? Our elected folks are not doing what we desire to any significant extent. When does “we” really mean us?
What this means is that democrats have to get to work protecting citizens through statute. There’s nothing that can be done about “bongs” ruling, but price fixing can be made illegal, the right to access to contraception and abortion services can be codified and barriers can be erected against federal funding to secular organizations.
Reversing Brown is more difficult and serious problem because, as I understand the ruling, they are claiming that integration by statute or practice is discrimination against white people, and therefore unconstitutional. I don’t know how we fix that.
Of course, there is impeachment . We’ve got three justices who lied during confirmation hearings.
I have to say, though, that this week marks the completion of politicization of the judiciary. the Roberts court has no truck with coherence or consistency. These rulings are constructed backwards from the desired results with regard to any principle.
Snowbird @42
You don’t “work around” the Supreme Court. You have to wait for them to die, and then try to pry their dead hands off the law, but 75 years later, they still haunt you with their decisions.
What is hopeful about this Court. Three of its members can be impeached for usurping the power of the states and of other branches of government in Bush v. Gore — Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy. It can’t happen until 2009 but it makes these radicals vulnerable. They overplayed their hand in Bush v. Gore, and they have overplayed their hand in the desegregation case.
There are school districts that have worked hard to desegregate and will not go back. If you live in one of those, let your school board know that you will support them in defying any attempt to enforce this generally. Those who agree with this ruling are going to have bring lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit against individual school districts in order for this ruling to become the law of the land.
snowbird42 @ 20
the traditional way has been to get congress to enact a law to rectify the Court’s excess.
nagahapun, in this case, of course, when the senate can’t even end debate on an immigration bill, or really pas any legislation that is veto-proof…
WASF!
These asshats are all members of the Federalist Society, aren’t they?
snowbird42 @ 20
If there is a positive side to this, it will force local school boards to make schools in racial minority areas at least as good as schools in white-dominated areas. But this is wishful thinking because local school boards are dominated by special interests, including prejudice, which necessitated B V BoE in the first place.
Thanks scarecrow — great synopsis of an incredibly depressing term’s worth of dreck. Blergh.
Scarecrow,
Your post confirms my deepest fear held from second year law in 1983 that the post Brandeis and Warren Courts decisions would swing the other way. What does surprise is the rapidity and duplicity.
Good Morning. We’re have a Supreme day, aren’t we?
N=1 @ 2
We need 60 decent Senators and one very good President. btw, I don’t understand why it makes sense to remove any of the current good Senators and have them run for President — but that’s just me. Old math.
Of course, the conservatives just think they are finally prying the dead hands of the Warren Court off their Constitution. Come to think of it, all those labor laws are a direct interference with freedom of workers to enter into contracts….
Will these decisions finally persuade folks that the fix is in, the deck is stacked, the dice are loaded, the money’s marked, and the only way to win–hell, even to break even–is to burn down the fucking crooked c*sino?
masaccio @ 34
Ha!
What we need to do is get rid of that stupid rule on filibusters. The senate is not a functioning body now. No wonder the republicans gave the democrats the majority. All they can do is investigate, they certainly cannot legislate.
egregious @ 8
The court’s reasoning was more subtle, echoing Chicago School economics, but the effect is the same. In the electricity markets, I see the “protect the competitors” theme often expressed by federal and state regulators.
The cynic in me thinks that SCOTUS will destroy public education as we know it.
masaccio @ 26
That is what I thought but I keep reading “Work around”
Can you say charter schools & big business? I thought you could…
JPL @ 38
Hmmm, I assume we think that would be bad?
JPL @ 38
If not destroy it, then turn into it a training ground for obedient workers to their corporate masters who went to private “Christian” schools.
JPL @ 38
They hate public education. Boortz always call them “Government schools”!
Assuming it’s impossible to “work around SCOTUS,” the Bush “administration” has left us no choice. And then there is the matter of the SCOTUS itself. Sandra Day O’Connor must be sick about all of this. Pray without ceasing that The Four stay healthy until January 09, 2009.
Most important concept in this thread: How to work around SCOTUS. Legal experts?
Is this what it takes to finally persuade the folks that the fix is irrevocably in, the deck is stacked, the dice are loaded, the money’s marked, the dealer’s cheating, and the house knows???
masaccio @ 15
Ten years ago — it seems like a century now — I was discussing the visceral attacks on Clinton with my old professor, who was a college student during the New Deal. He said that nothing the rethugs were then doing and saying about Clinton came close to the smears they laid on FDR. It came as a surprise to me, but as I reviewed the long history that started with the rethug Congressional victory in 1946 it made sense. Same sense of outraged entitlement among the very rich, pandering to the prejudices of the very poor. They couldn’t stand the thought of someone else running the country.
masaccio @ 15
I used to think that, ’till I realized I had the wrong Roosevelt. Oh, they have FDR with a passion, but they hate Teddie almost as much. National Parks? Anti-trust? Those were the original injuries.
I found this decision the most terrifying event in U.S. politics in a very long time. One more appointment and getting the White House and the Congress may not produce much progress. They are going to find ways to dissallow abortion, environmental legislation, minimum wages, and god knows what else.
If this happens it is not just America that will suffer, but the whole world. Even now if they can strike down the democratic will of local communities in the name of the Constitutional impossibility of softening the effects of economic apartheid, they can stop states or the federal government from limiting
greenhouse gas emissions as there are no visible negative health effects, or something else equally stupid.
GeorgeSimian @ 11
External politics affects judges. FDR tried to pack the court, because it was batting down all his economic legislation, and conservatives screamed about his court packing proposal, which was never enacted. But they read the polls and then out of nowhere, the Court found a way to change it’s view on economic regulation. The court in the 1930s was just as radical, relative to FDR’s programs, as this court is relative to the era we older folks grew up in.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 45
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
I firmly believe that extreme political bias is grounds for impeachment of any ‘Supreme’, regardless of which end of the ideological and dogmatic end of the political spectrum this rank partisanship originates. If we are able to procure a solid Democratic majority in both houses come Nov.’08, I would strongly urge that Congress take a serious look at this option (impeachment). I’m feeling rather radical and riled today.
These guys are going to get around to Miranda soon too.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 52
What would Groucho say about that!
‘morning all – coffee is ready…
why do I have this vision of Cheney rubbing his hands together and chuckling, “he-he – they won’t know what hit ‘em”?
Massacio, though it bodes ill for your eventual sanity, i’m with you:
the pukes masaccio @ 36
i’m glad to see i’m not the only one who considered the possibility that the present unworkable ‘majorities’ in Congress were planned by the Pukes to make it impossible for the Demos to avoid sharing responsibility for the Pukes catastrophic fuck-ups…
jayackroyd
I have to say, though, that this week marks the completion of politicization of the judiciary. the Roberts court has no truck with coherence or consistency. These rulings are constructed backwards from the desired results with regard to any principle.
That’s about right.
Scarecrow @ 33
I don’t see how this fixes the court – isn’t it more likely to just protect the status-quo? not letting things get worse is a good thing, but i want more than that.
is this correct?
John Paul Stevens – 87
Ruth Bader Ginsburg – 74
Antonin Scalia – 71
Anthony Kennedy – 70
Stephen Breyer – 68
David Souter – 67
Clarence Thomas – 59
Samuel Alito – 57
John Roberts – 52
What really scares me is the possibility that some of the five will retire before the end of Bush’s term giving him the opportunity to stack the court long term with younger Scalias.
How come I knew that confirming Roberts and Alito would lead to this? How come I knew that removing Sadaam would lead to the mess we now have in Iraq? How come I knew that electing George Bush as president would have a dismal outcome?
Because even though I’m not real smart, I have common sense and that seems to be a rare commodity around the country and in congress.
Hate to say it but Nader has been right about everything. Both partys are to blame for the current state of affairs and I’m to blame too for reflexively voting for a democrat before I have checked his creds.
You have the right to remain a liberal, however, if you do not vote Republican, prison awaits you. You do not have a right to an attorney.
cathy @ 60
I know what you mean.
Sixty Something @ 59
That’s my fear, too. I imagine the Dems are moving heaven and earth to keep that from happening. Stevens — that’s very scary.
So where is Nancy Pelosi’s table, off of which impeachment was taken? And what constitutes grounds for removing a Supreme? And finally (inquiring minds want to know), why is SCOTUS term a lifetime deal?
selise @ 21
No arguments here. We need the impeachment trifecta, Bush/Cheney/Gonzales. Otherwise, obstruction will be the rule of the day, and conviction would be unlikely.
right now, in georgia activists are gathered for the U.S. social form.
i like that.
The SCOTUS has spent most of the Bush II years bouncing between inanity and fascist demagoguery.
The SCOTUS has become the scrota’s.
Jim Clausen @ 32
Yep. It’s a wake up call for those who didn’t already understand that everything we believe in is up for grabs. The Constitution is under siege from a rightwing radical group who enjoys probably no more than about 25-30% of the public’s support (a rough guess), but they have their hands on the executive and judicial branches and can do much damage before they’re weeded out.
the 3rd Way, “why can’t we all be friends” nonsense requires a degree of ignorance that is astonishing.
raven @ 54
;0)
What’s next the exclusionary rule? I wonder how many convictions for non-terrorist crimes were obtained by the use of the Natl security letters.
Scarecrow @ 50
But the irony here is that the court rulings have been minority views. Who, except for huge corporations, would agree with the minimum price decision? 37 states fought it! Most people think desegregation is a still a good idea – one that is usually ignored anyway, but, still. Most people, btw, think that abortion is ok in some circumstances.
Shorter The Roberts Court:
Stare Decisis is an important tradition, so long as it doesn’t interfere with the radical agenda of the Federalist Society.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 35
Interesting question. If you look at the polls on issues, the public is very much in favor of government being a force for change, of working for the public benefit. It’s quite possible that the public may come to see the Roberts court as just as awful a legacy from Bush as the Iraq war, the deficits, the compromised justice department, etc,etc, etc. I think we should be pushing that theme. — everything he did hurt the country, and he left his hurtful people in lifetime positions that can hurt millions with the wave of the hand. You’d think our dems could run on that platform?
Twenty two Democrats voted in favor of confirmation — including frequent critics of the administration’s judicial picks, such as Vermont’s Patrick Leahy and Wisconsin Russ Feingold. So too did Vermont Independent Jim Jeffords, who left the GOP caucus in 2001 to work with the Democrats. In addition to Byrd, Leahy and Feingold, Democrats who voted to confirm Roberts included Montana’s Max Baucus, West Virginia’s Robert Byrd and Jay Rockefeller, New Mexico’s Jeff Bingaman, Delaware’s Tom Carper, North Dakota’s Kent Conrad and Kent Conrad, Connecticut’s Chris Dodd, South Dakota’s Tim Johnson, Wisconsin’s Herb Kohl, Louisiana’s Mary Landrieu, Michigan’s Carl Levin, Arkansas’s Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, Washington’s Patty Murray, Florida’s Bill Nelson, Nebraska’s Ben Nelson, Arkansas’s Mark Pryor, Colorado’s Ken Salazar and Oregon’s Ron Wyden.
The full article by John Nichols is here. Feingold, Leahy, Dodd, Byrd? What in the world were they thinking?
I’m sick this morning. Are we in too deep? Please say no. Is there anyway to nullify all the decisions that have been made by this rogue government in the past 6.5 years? No way to bring back the hundreds of thousands who’ve died, and millions who’ve lost their homes. But something – anything to restore the rule of law, and reverse these heinous decisions. This is crushing…
How about a 67 vote D Senate in ‘09 and a move to add two new justices during the next Democratic President’s term?
the reason that the Busheviks are so confident that they can stonewall congress–and the reason congress does NOT really want a constitutional crisis–is because the Pkes know they Court will decide in FAVOR of the Unitary excecutive…
i will NEVER forget or forgive the spineless, gutless, feckless Dems who joined the “Gang of 14″ and thereby assured the confirmation of these those scum-sucking shitwhistles Roberts and Scalito…
/.
inmymind’seye @ 74
Don’t let the bastards wear you down.
How about a 67 vote D Senate in ‘09 and a move to add two new justices during the next Democratic President’s term?
As in 11 member court(sorry)
The problem is the American people don’t like Bush. But they like Congress even less. My party had better wake up! I mean Democrats, what does it take?
Jim Clausen @ 74
that i can support. how would it be decided to add new justices to the SCOTUS? how did FDR do it.
very sad… i really hate to sign up for things that seem to be “not playing fair”…
selise @ 10
Selise! this is fabulous! Actually, not of fable as i can see you doing it!
Scarecrow @ 72
I doubt it. They ran on that before. In 2000. That was one of the big warnings about Bush. I think, if anything, it just solidified his pro-life base. The thing about the pro-life movement is that they are willing to sacrifice every issue as long as they get their way. That’s why they love Bush. And they love this court. They wouldn’t care if this court overturned every law in the nation if they overturned Roe vs Wade. Look at their unwavering support for Bush – and it’s only there because he is firmly pro-life.
raven @ 42
I think this meant the “public schools as we thought we knew it.” At its best, the public school system historically had a great socializing and integrating effect on American — hence it’s really important to focus on what it is we teach — evolution or creation? Government can/should be good vs government is inherently evil; we need strong presidents to protect us or we need to guard against unlimited government. Write the text books = define the country = write the text books. I see charter schools as carrying a tension between forcing accountability to the public system vs providing a vehicle to teach the things that tear us apart.
Jim Clausen @ 78
thta was FDR’s plan, which the Fucktards called ‘Packing the Court.’
and handily defeated…
as they would again
If the GOP gets back in, in a little over a year from now, we will eventually get a unanimous Republican Supreme Court. Think about it.
Kathryn in MA @ 80 – completely true story.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
Yep. But they’ll create exceptions and claim it’s not overruling precedent.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 85
yup…
and there’s a VERY VERY GOOD Chance the pukes can and will steal it again, all our efforts to forestall it notwithstanding.
WASF!
I thought GOP’s were against activist courts. Oh that’s right it is the hypocritical Republicans we are talking about. Activist courts are perfectly acceptable as long as they are slanted to radical conservative activism.
Andy Axel @ 72
Jane would love you.
Excellent post. This should become a running narrative here, as it is a much neglected topic of discussion that really requires regular and close scrutiny. The Supremes are too supremely confident of their low-profile in public discussions and fora. And yet the arguments of the gang of five do not merit any confidence.
IrishJim @ 88
states rights as long as they support a radical conservative agenda.
I honestly hate to say this, but it is as if the radical fundamentalism of the United States has declared war on the United States.
Bill Durbin @ 7
Yeah, the result of having Roberts & Alito on the court sure looks like we’ve been nuked. And this “option” appears to have a half-life [how long the contamination will remain, rendering the place unsafe for habitation] of at least 40 years.
GeorgeSimian @ 82
The pro-life base has eroded. Maybe not the core 8% (?) for whom this is the one and only issue. But they have no sympathisers anymore.
selise @ 86
U RAWK
Having dealt with racism all my life (”full in the face” needless to say) I find yesterday’s Supremes ruling to be a giant helping of What I Already Know. This is a deeply racist country — founded on genocide — that is occasionally enliveneed by flashes of what’s commonly referred to as sanity.
It’s not a matter of justice, boys and girls, it’s a matter pf Power — who hasn’t and who doesn’t. The Powerful do not acede their authority because it’s “the right thing to do.”
Might Makes Right.
Do not forget that. NEVER forget that. All the pretty speeches you can make about Man’s Inhumanity to Man don’t matter diddly squat. We all went to see Schindler’s List and cried — averting our eyes from the genocide we engineered since, not only in Southeast Asia but more recently in Latin and Central America.
Normally we go about thsi through surrogates. We go into a country, find the biggest fascit and pay him to kill as amny people as possible — often trainign him how to do so on our own soil. If things don’t work out we eliminate him — just as we eliminated pesky types like Allende. They’re ants at our picnic.
The only difference between Iraq and our past incursions is that we decided to do it all ourselves. At the moment there’s no fascit powerful enough to “Bring Democracy to the Freedom-loving people of Iraq.”
So we just allow them to murder each other in a civil war we sparked and just hope there are enough of them left whn it’s all over to serve us coffee in the morning.
inmymind’seye @ 74
I think Feingold was still in the old tradition of deferring to a President unless there are compelling reasons not to — a tradition fine for a non-radical era. That explains his Roberts vote. And he may have assumed O’Connor would stay awhile. But by Alito, he had come to realize the radical agenda was a real threat, so he opposed Alito. We’ve all woken up at different times. I’m very much a traditionalist, in traditional times (were they ever real?), but that’s not where we are any more. This is close to civil war, and the other side obeys no rules. The calls for letting Scooter Libby slide are another sign that we’re fighting a cabal that believes they are outside the law, outside the traditions I grew up respecting.
Meanwhile for your morning delictation –An “Oldie” but a “Goodie”
Siegelman was sentenced Thursday to more than seven years in federal prison and Scrushy got nearly seven years. U.S. District Judge Mark Fuller ordered both immediately taken into custody, not even giving them time to talk with their families.
Compare and contrast this story with the Scooter’s.
David Ehrenstein @ 97
So, besides these blog tirades what exactly are you doing that the rest of us are not?
GordonM @ 94
Hope you’re right. I’m sure I’m not alone here in thinking how disgusting it was for the pro-lifers to support Bush’s war in Iraq and the killing of countless Iraqis.
Honest to god, there are better places to live and governments that adhere to principles that mean more than this government.
For now, America has lost it’s way. It’s no different than when my beloved husband relapsed in his disease of substance abuse. Sometimes love isn’t enough, and sometimes you have to face the truth about the disease. Sometimes the disease requires you to leave for your sake and theirs. I can fight for what I believe in, but at some point, I may need to leave. This country is not acting itself, it’s not living up to it’s principles or it’s constitution. There is a disease running this nation. It’s serenity prayer time.
There are better countries.
So let’s all take a deep breath, due some meditation, get clear about what we believe and pick the next step.
masaccio @ 26
I dunno, with the contempt these folks have shown for stare decisis, as soon as Dems get a majority in Congress and can nominate some decent folks to the Court, SCOTUS can just overturn all the crap these nimrods have decided.
Text of first such decision: “nevermind.” [a la Rosanne Rosannadanna]
GordonM @ 95
28% of GOP want abortion banned totally (which is about the same rate as before), but GOP has shrunk considerably.
Here’s write up of an in depth poll of the GOP. But that’s only within the (shrinking) GOP. The votes come from the independents (who now lean Dem).
GeorgeSimian — the “unwavering support” for Bush has been at about 15% for months. See Rasmussen and look for “strongly support.”
Roberts and Alito came calling with a bag of platitudes that they sold to Congress and the Dems , or some Dems bought it. We now know that they lied about respecting settled law. They have been enboldened by the Dems inability to get traction on neutralizing lawbreakers in the Bush administration. They’re going full speed to undo every progressive law on the books for as long as the majority is theirs. We need a giddyup Congress and Dems in an overwhelming number to begin to stop them.
snowbird42 @ 17
Call me cynical but I think this is being set up for a filibuster by the rethugs. Why would this need to be an amendment? Why wasn’t this written into the original bill in committee where it would not have been subject to the 40% veto rule? This looks to me like it is positioning and and a real attempt to end the war.
David Ehrenstein @ 96
david, this middle aged white woman apologizes for not seeing the truth sooner – that what you write it true. but we are not without a power of our own… if we, together, choose to use it.
Boston1775 @ 93
Tea party, anyone?
My first court experience was my wake up call to reality. When I was a junior in college, my friend and I rented a house. It was a mess when we got it, there were summer renters and it was not cleaned. My roommate took pictures. We lived there for the school year and when we were done, we asked for our security deposit. The owners wouldn’t give it to us because we didn’t have it professionally cleaned. Our contract said it had to be left in the same condition as when we moved in. Knowing we had pictures of it when we moved in, we took them to court. We were full of confidence that this was a sure win for us, since we had evidence and the contract expectations to back us up.
The outcome? We lost. I’m sure looking back on it that the judge was probably friends with the landlord and we were viewed as temporary residents. Pay the money and leave, please.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 100
Josh Marshall has very interesting video about Karl’s involvement in this case.
Scarecrow @ 110
How to do it?????
I can see the US becoming a reverse EU. Some states will play fair wrt education without having to resort to statute, the population will shift to reflect citizens’ thinking, and ipso facto we’re a bunch of little countries.
mauimom @ 104
that expedient is no longer available, for the same reasons that ‘impeachment’ is not an option:
They won’t have the votes…
and even with a Dem Pres–and no current candidate is sufficiently ‘librul’ to guarantee the choice of progressive nominees–the PUKES WILL filibuster, gleefully, and effectively…
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GeorgeSimian @ 102
Ah, but since they’re unborn, they are still without original sin. They’re perfect. Blessed. Holy. Soon as you’re out of the womb, yer on yer own.
I’m convinced that this (as well as the fringe PETA position) is all as much about self-loathing as anything else.
Scarecrow @ 110
Why, yes, thank you. I’ll have some.
Waiting for the likes of you in a dark alley.
True, but that demands a ruthlessness few on the left are willing to go for.
David Ehrenstein @ 99
Stunning essay; thanks for bringing it over. You suprised me by ending with Obama. Anger to hope?
Scarecrow @ 109
today, the patriots of the boston teaparty would be labeled terrorists and sentenced to decades in jail. see Jeff Luers.
not something to be undertaken lightly. and something, i think, in today’s cultural climate, that would work to increase violence and misunderstanding instead of confronting and addressing the real the conflict(s).
mauimom @ 94
Another to add to the list of “wish I’d said that.”
Scarecrow @ 106
It’s great that people finally realize that the war in Iraq was a bad idea, but, come on. When he went in there, he had like an 80% approval rating! And all the information about what a bad idea it was was there at the time. All the lies they told were fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. It pisses me off. That 65% who now think it was a bad idea, but at the time were screaming about patriotism, and weak Democrats, and all that crap.
And these minorities are still controlling the agenda. Look at what’s going on with immigration! The hate-mungers have dictated this in the media and in Congress, yet they are an under 10% group. The pro-lifers are the same. Same with the prohibitionists. It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
realworld @ 108
You? cynical?. No way.
Which makes one wonder, given that the Fascists have wagered all upon the Bushevik coup d’etat, whether they’ve not figgered out some stratagem by which to KEEP the power they’ve done everything to win.
well, it doesn’t make me wonder…i am pretty sure the ‘crossing of the rubicon/pearl harbor’ events of 9/11 et seq have made their endurance in office almost guaranteed…
because they knkow there is no way that the obese, intellectually lazy, frightened, broke, sik people of the USA would EVER actually rise against them…
and the army help won’t because it and the marines will have been broken on the rack of Iraq….
WASF./
I’m only going to say this once today: no physical threats or verbal indications of them toward other commenters. Period. This is not negotiable.
David Ehrenstein @ 117
no. see MLK, see gandhi. it demands a courage that few can muster without training and great effort.
Boston1775 @ 113
Never fought a revolution, but I think it helps to start every day with the idea that we have to fight for our country, every damn day. Never let up. This week we’ve been making calls re habeas — make more. I’m not an organizer, just a rabble rouser. (not that you’re all rabble!)
This might have already been brought up, but the Court’s decision about “price fixing” is an interpretation of anti-trust statutes and can therefore be over-ridden by Congress. All Congress has to do is pass a law stating that the Court misunderstood them and, yes Virginia, price fixing IS illegal. Then the only way the Court could overturn that is to rule the whole statute unconstitutional, which I don’t believe that even these radicals would do.
A million people–hell, even a couple hundred thousand–surrounding the SHiteHouse with pitchforks and torches, until the helicopters come to sweep the Busheviks away to Paraguay (no extradition treaties), might do the trick…
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Thanks Christy, I was about to call security.
cathy @ 110 –
how sad. to squash a faith in the system when you were still so young.
well, life may teach us to give up our illusions, but it needn’t teach us to give up our values.
I notice that the earliest reports of the attempted London car bombing are hyping the phrase “international elements” invlolved.
Will those “international elements” end up being determined to be “Iranian international elements”?
-GSD
yellowdogD @ 114
sounds like the South will, then, have won the Uncivil Peace…
Conservative justice
Forget the promises — Roberts and Alito delivered high court ideology
THE SUPREME COURT term that ended Thursday confirmed exactly what many people had feared: that the testimony given by John Roberts and Samuel Alito at their confirmation hearings just months earlier was a lot of baloney
During those hearings, the two presented themselves as open-minded jurists lacking an ideological agenda. Roberts likened a Supreme Court justice to an umpire, a neutral arbiter whose personal political views are irrelevant to decisions. Both Roberts and Alito promised fidelity to the court’s precedents.
But instead, Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito have behaved exactly as their opponents predicted. There was not one case this term in which the court was not ideologically divided, and not one in which Roberts and Alito did not vote for the result that their conservative backers would have wanted. In virtually all of these cases, they were joined by justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas.
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..-rightrail
wgg: rogue scholar @ 129
In ‘99, just after he got the nomination, I had a vision (nothing mystical, just a picture) of him being chased by crowds with pitchforks and torches.
sonate @ 127
excellent point, thank you.
‘course i expect bush would veto it… so, does this have to wait until at least 2009?
selise,
One of the most artful ploys that this administration has used has been to use the National Guard. Back in Viet Nam, when our friends were drafted and dying, kids finally screamed NO and took over Deans’ offices.
The kids barely recognize what is happening, and that is not an accident. We can’t depend on their fear – which is what the real news, with the real bodybags caused – to fuel this.
We were those kids and again, it seems we have to do something.
What this administration has done with our National Guard is appalling. Their families are frightened, they have so much to lose.
I’m not a fighter. Most of us aren’t. But, they’ve stolen the elections, most likely. That has not been effectively addressed. The DOJ, the courts, the disfigured executive, the Congressmen who were not prosecuted, they even bought the media. So little left to work with.
What’s missing with BushCo?
There’s No Record, to speak of, of administrative dialog. What little we have seen is always a hasty ‘after the fact’ memo.
What’s on those Blackberries?
Not the administrative dialog of the Federal Government, but the courtly dialog of the ‘Kingdom’ inside the Administration of the Federal Government.
There is no real ‘administration’ going on – that’s why there’s no record of it – it’s all a hierarchical loyalty system tied to Bush’s infallible opinion, but run on a daily basis by Cheney – and, in the name of national security, it’s being kept a secret from the rest of US.
Bush is the ultimate useful idiot – but he gets to play King, so he’s happy. Cheney is the ultimate schemer for power – and he gets to play President, while ‘nobody knows.’
This time, it’s worse than a cancer on the presidency…
Boston1775 @ 112
Well, we advocated for Ms. Plame Wilson, and we can advocate for him.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 134
yeah, they lied…
and we ALL knew they were lying.
and we told our representatives they were lying…
and they knew they were lying, too…
and yet
and yet
the gutless, useless, feckless, worthless fucknozzles voted to confirm ‘em.
this is why the Busheviks aren’t worried about a Constitutional Crisis–on any theory of Unitary Executive, the Busheviks will win in the SCROTUS…
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selise @ 136
Hate to be negative, but… good luck with that. Not with this Congress/President.
GOP. Grand Old Prevaricators.
selise @ 136
I should have clarified that the case overruled court decisions that had interpreted the Sherman Antitrust Act. Congress can clarify it’s own statutes — it wasn’t a “constitutional” decision.
so now we get Supreme Court Friday dumps at the end of every session?
and they call this “government?”
Great post, as usual, Scarecrow, don’t miss EJ Dionne’s piece at Truthdig this morning, “Three Words for Bush and his Judges” it really puts it all into a few words, especially the first three (HT to Nancy Reagan)
Maybe they are on to something in Vermont:
Bye, Bye, Miss American Empire
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone.
Boston1775 @ 136
we have less to work with than we used to… but it’s still far, far more than much of the world has. most of us are extraordinarily privileged in comparison to the third of the world’s people who live on $2 (or less) a day (that’s about 2 billion people).
The Supreme Court opinions were, in most cases, deeply divided decisions. As even John Stewart on The Daily Show noted they were largely 4-1-4 decisions, with Anthony Kennedy swinging the balance narrowly (in a couple of cases with just a plurality (not majority) opinion. I don’t think Republican Conservatives are cheering loudly yet pending the ‘08 elections and while I would never presume to give advice to the FDL, I doubt you’ve lost as much as the posters here today seem to think you have. The GOP is certainly concerned about next year’s election that could flip it all back.
And the inimitable Christy has a new post, — a little reminder of things that are important.
JEP @ 145
Thanks for the link. We’re going to get lots of good people writing wake up calls. This is good.
The more I read the more I’m convinced that Bu$h and the repugs are just fine tuning something that once let loose, there won’t be any stopping it. And That Scares the Hell Outta ME!!!
Even thought Congress in under Democrat, or should I say democratic, control it still is taking timid, baby steps. I can see where they are getting their duckys in line so when the shit hits the fan, they’ll weather the storm, however, its giving the repugs and Bu$h too much wiggle room, IMO. That wiggle room may be what Bu$h and company are angling for when this all comes down to locking horns with Congress in SCOTUS over subpoena powers vs executive privilege. There seems to be some type of gamesmanship going on and I think the Democrats aren’t playing the same game as the repugs and they’re gonna get their rears wiped clean by the Court.
It’s really strange to be an American sitting in a foreign land and watching the country you were born in politically self-destruct under its own efforts and not from some foreign power.
regards
raven @ 131
You wouldn’t have needed it, bro.
Merci.
No hope. Just anger.
See them get killed by assassins.
masaccio @ 15
The hell of it is that they seem to be leading us right into another “Great Depression.” Will any of the candidates be smart enough to bring back the programs that helped to save us last time?
If I were running, I’d be studying the era and the programs, with an eye to reviving some, if not all of them.
David Ehrenstein @ 153
No hope. Just anger.
See them get killed by assassins.
Yes, but they both moved nations and history, and that’s no small accomplishment. We just need to learn how to do that without the assassinations. Can we focus the anger on solving that one?
Scarecrow @ 156
the thing that distinguished King and Gandhi, and permitted them to succeed, was that they were ready to die for their cause, non-violence notwithstanding…
to change this system, people are gonna hafta BE WILLING TO DIE…
not necessarily to actually do it…
just be willing that it happen, if needed…
i don’t mind being a target…i just don’t wanna be the ONLY target…
David Ehrenstein @ 153
yes. hence the courage needed. not to sacrifice ourselves, but to risk it.
but let’s be clear – fewer people were killed in the movements that mlk and gandhi were part of than would have been in armed insurrection.
anyway, that seems to me today, to be the best way to channel my anger. maybe if i wrote as brilliantly as you do, i’d think differently. there is a power in words too. (thank you for the link to your 2004 essay)
LibertyLee @ 149
No, Liberty Lee, the cases were decided 5 to 4. A little honesty never hurts. Sounds like you are parsing the meaning of the word is.
-GSD
There’s a report on the wire that the Court will review some of the Guantanamo cases. Anyone know about this?
wgg: rogue scholar @ 156
i think they were both willing to risk death – but they did not seek it out… unlike the buddhist monks in vietnam who set themselves on fire – warning graphic link
nonviolence is not the absence of violence – it is a force (in principled nonviolence) or a method (in strategic nonviolence) of confronting injustice while humanizing (not demonizing) one’s adversary.
The goal is not to bring your enemies to their knees but to their senses. — Mahatma Gandhi.
I believe “we” have lost far more than we know; we just don’t know it yet…
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snowbird42 @ 20
Maybe it’s about time some of those 2nd Amendment guys pick up their guns to protect something other than the 2nd Amendment.
Michael in Park Slope @ 4
LOL. Is lying to congress a crime??? Republican’s are screaming that Libby wasn’t lying to the grand jury because there was no “underlying” crime. To Republican jurists the Constitution is not relevant to today. It’s to be considered only in it’s historical context. Democratic Senators still willing to spout the gibberish that the president is entitled to appoint who he wants and vote to confirm on that basis are to be held accoutable as well as the nominee who makes statements which he later ignores.
Alito…Gang of 14…
Useful post Scarecrow. Learned some stuff.
I believe the term that Lithwick is reaching for is honesty. If Alito and Roberts were honest, instead of prattling on at their hearings about “respect for precedent and settled law”, they would have grabbed their crotches and snarled “Stare decisis this, lard ass…” the way they just did this week in everything from racism to price fixing.
These guys have a point of view and an agenda and they are only smart enough to know that it is repugnant to most sentient beings and therefore must be hidden until they attain positions secure from accountability…res ipsa Cheney….
Roberts Court, the anti-Warren court.
Thanks for the post, Scarecrow. What are the checks and balances on these yahoos?
Well, suppose US citizens banded together into a corporate entity called, say, The People, and seeks to contract with the federal government or some other entity to obtain services from various agencies. Is it appropriate that the feds be able to conspire with the agencies to set the minimum selling price (that is, taxes)? May we not find another vendor, say the Iraqi government, which could resell the services of the Defense Dept. to The People at a substantial discount.
dreamcatcher @ 18
I think he’s still right in that if there had not been a Board v. Brown there wouldn’t have been as much integration and acceptance of our diversity and without that there wouldn’t be any dark-skinned candidate for president (same for Richardson).
cathy @ 60
What you may be missing is that the people who did these things KNEW the effects they would have and they did them in spite of that knowledge. Amazed?
They have an agenda and small things like overturning stare decisis or ‘checks & balances’, Congressional oversight and the like do not bother them. They are incredibly radical.
What is their agenda?
Start by asking George Bush, as did Helen Thomas, what the real reason for going to war with Iraq was, since none of the reasons given before was supportable by the facts or has been proven to have been a lie. Bush demurred and ignored Thomas after that.
They won’t say what their agenda is!
I firmly believe one of the key items of their agenda is to distract and disable any progress Democrats might want to make. They put us into debt, so we have little money to work with. They throw stare decisis out the window, so we can’t proceed without going back to old issues first. They aren’t obstructing with a filibuster, though they might choose that too, but it’s obstruction nonetheless.
I think they truly fear the trend begun with Pres. Carter of Democrats wading into economic issues and not just staying with the Civil Rights issues. They really jumped all over Hilary’s health care plan and claimed credit for Bill’s plan to balance the budget and (aside from the Clinton years) have dominated the economy issue since 1981. It seemed likely we’d have Gore or Kerry, but they obviously stole those elections. Now it seems likely we’ll have a Dem president and there’s no Bush around, Repubs have a horrible public approval, electronic voting machines are on their way out, vote caging is being scrutinized and it’s hard for Karl Rove to breathe without Congress ‘providing oversight’.
How will Republicans (backed by many of America’s Rich) wiggle out of getting their due?
We’ve got to be vigilant because they have been extremely creative in the past and you can bet your bottom dollar they will do anything to keep Dems out of the presidency again.
Once in power it’s a huge mountain to climb. There is sooooo much that needs to be done to fix problems, much less make real progress.
It’s going to take a very big team effort by Democrats to make our next presidential administration a success.
Let’s face it. Five justices on the Supreme Court, all Catholic, are racist, sexist, religious orthodox thugs…in keeping with the shameful direction and path the Republican Party has slithered down over the past thirty years.
But remember, Sandra Day O’Connor selected George W. Bush to be president in 2000, so that a Republican would be the one choosing her successor when she retired. Literally, her vote was the one and only vote that counted in 2000.
I wonder if she gives any thought at all to the obscenity she visited upon our democratic society when she sided with the four radical right-wing justices on the Supreme Court in 2000, and butted into the Florida electoral controversy, and essentially threw the election to Bush and Cheney? I doubt it.
Nonetheless, her name will live in infamy in American history, for her betrayal of our nation, and the harm her action has caused and will continue to cause to all of our nation’s children over the next several decades.