image via hellostlouis.com
He has written a speech fit for an angel dancing on the head of a pin.
A speech for the nominee he wishes the democratic party could nominate. I wonder if such a person exists anywhere but in the lucid and light filled corriders of Ted Sorenson’s mind? I sure hope so. It would be a dream come true.
Theodore “Ted” Sorenson, President Kennedy’s speech writer, has written a proto- acceptance speech for an, as yet, undetermined Democratic Presidential nominee. Washington Monthly asked Sorenson to write the “speech of his dreams”; the speech he would like to see the next nominee give at the Democratic party convention in 2008.
You should read it. Out loud.
You really don’t fully appreciate how good it is until you hear the rhythms.
You can enjoy the whole thing here :The New Vision – Theodore C. Sorensen
It has the kind of common sense that has been missing from our public dialogue for much too long. For example, he reviews our national secuity with a sober eye,
The threat of another terrorist attack upon our homeland has not been reduced by all the new layers of porous bureaucracy that proved their ineptitude in New Orleans; nor by all the needless, mindless curbs on our personal liberties and privacy; nor by expensive new weaponry that is utterly useless in stopping a fanatic willing to blow himself up for his cause.
but does not use that threat as a weapon to terroize or tyrranize the American voter.
Let me assure all those who may disagree with my positions that I shall hear and respect their views, not denounce them as unpatriotic as has so often happened in recent years. I will wage a campaign that relies not on the usual fear, smear, and greed but on the hopes and pride of all our citizens in a nationwide effort to restore comity, common sense, and competence to the White House.
One of my favrite parts–he does not shrink from the word “liberal”. Nope, no cringing, no windging no hiding from it like it was a dirty word.
I will not shrink from opposing any party faction, any special interest group, or any major donor whose demands are contrary to the national interest. Nor will I shrink from calling myself a liberal, in the same sense that Franklin and Theodore Roosevelt, John and Robert Kennedy, and Harry Truman were liberals—liberals who proved that government is not a necessary evil, but rather the best means of creating a healthier, more educated, and more prosperous America.
He calls out both the Bush Administration and the American people for the erosion of America’s greatness over the last eight years.
During these last several years, our nation has been bitterly divided and deceived by illicit actions in high places, by violations of federal, constitutional, and international law.
However, the thing I like best, is that while acknowledging what has gone wrong, and while pulling no punches about how it went wrong and who took us down the wrong path, this speech focuses on calling out the very best that is in the American people. It speaks to our better selves. The the nation we want to be and can be.
True, some of us have been sleeping for these eight long years, while our nation’s values have been traduced, our liberties reduced, and our moral authority around the world trampled and shattered by a nightmare of ideological incompetence. But now we are awakening and taking our country back. Now people all across America are starting to believe in America again. We are coming back, back to the heights of greatness, back to America’s proud role as a temple of justice and a champion of peace.
The purpose of public office is to do good, not harm; to change lives, help lives, and save lives, not destroy them. I look upon the presidency not as an opportunity to rule, but as an opportunity to serve. I intend to serve all the people, regardless of party, race, region, or religion.
Let us all, here assembled in this hall, or watching at home, constitute ourselves, rededicate ourselves, as soldiers in a new army. Not an army of death and destruction, but a new army of voters and volunteers, in a new wave of workers for peace and justice at home and abroad, new missionaries for the moral rebirth of our country. I ask for every citizen’s help, not merely those who live in the red states or those who live in the blue states, but every citizen in every state. Although we may be called fools and dreamers, although we will find the going uphill, in the words of the poet: “Say not the struggle naught availeth.” We will change our country’s direction, and hand to the generation that follows a nation that is safer, cleaner, less divided, and less fearful than the nation we will inherit next January.
Now that’s talkin’ my language!
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looseheadprop!
LHP! Good one!
I like it.
Great speech, great post LHP.
So was Aaron Sorking learning from Sorenson or what?
I like. Especially the rhythm of “while our nation’s values have been traduced, our liberties reduced, . . .”
nice.
Wish I could he said those words half as well, but would those of the 30% understand that it takes citizens who are involved in making a change that keeps us strong not passive sheep-like consumers of fear.
Oh, and if you hadn’t seen it before, it’s take out the trash day.
Been a lot of trash coming out of the AG and DoJ lately.
This
gave me goosebumps.
RevDeb @ 6
Thats because they put a lot of trash IN them.
argosfalcon @ 5
Over at MyDD someone noticed my current Gov. last night. He had all of 2, count them 2 paragraphs and mentioned Democrat or democratic values 5 times.
Liberal is a Holy Word.
Read this speech earlier this week and several more times since then.. Good to see you back in lake action LHP.. btw, wonderful old photo..)
WOW! wonder which candidate would be so bold to give THIS SPEECH! i could so get behind this candidate and quickly..
looseheadprop!
I think this could make a good bumper sticker slogan no matter who the nominee is:
Eureka Springs @ 10
Glad to be back. I was on trial for weeks and have only just come up for air.
I cannot tell you how much I missed swimming in the lake!
” I do not favor further widening the nation’s wounds, now or next year, through continuous investigations, indictments, and impeachments.”
Personally, I would rather this sentence be left out, but otherwise it is a beautiful speech.
I would like to see all the Democratic candidates, (plus the not-quite-candidates like Gore, Kerry, Clark) read it aloud and then have Howard Dean’s shop put it together in a video. Message: whoever comes out of the Democratic party will be saying things like this, as oppposed to that lunacy we’ve been hearing from elsewhere. Powerful stuff.
dakine01 @ 12
That would make a good campaign bumper sticker and a good impeachment bumper sticker. *g*
well LHP – you came back with a winner.. much food for thought here
Spelling – rhythm not rhythem.
Back in the days when PBS was actually serving a public funciton, I recall they had a series, hosted by various pundits, that would take a mix of politicians, including ex-presidents, ex-supreme court justices, news people from all mediums, business people, etc and let them do role playing on various scenarios in a roundtable format. The moderator would go around the room calling out actions, responses to the various speakers proposals or suggestions and so on.
Maybe they could break that series back out again as a reminder to the rethugs/reich-wingers, and ordinary citizens of what we SHOUILD be. IIRC, Potter Stewart often led off the show by setting the scene.
Susan in Iowa @ 15
Great idea! Splice them all together in a row showing what we stand for. I doubt though that Faux Noise would show it or that their viewers would get it.
It would make a great clip on YouTube.
dakine01 @ 19
PBS is run by the CPB which is now populated with loyal Bushies. Don’t hold your breath for them to do anything vaguely helpful to dems in the foreseeable future.
RevDeb says:
June 29th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
So was Aaron Sorkin learning from Sorenson or what?
Beat me to it. Sounds like Sorkin, doesn’t it? Excellent writing.
Lt. Cmdr. Swift coming up on Countdown. Good Show!
I’m what’s called a ‘radical liberal’, and President Gore will be here soon.
RevDeb @ 21
OK, now you’re a prosecutor, and Paris Hilton is brought into court for jaywalking with an unlicensed Shitzu…
Alter, on Olbermann, Bush is “a cooked goose”.
KO time..on the lake and watching keith – nicee
LS @ 14
Youknow, was going to mention that in the post, but it would have taken me off on a negative tangent.
I must say that totaallt disagree with the esteemed Mr. Sorenson (and I REALLY do esteem him) on this one point.
The whole rest of the speech is devoid of “politics” and deals in true leadership, true patriotism, and –well, truth.
Then you have this one completely out of place bit of political “pragamatism”.
I’m sorry, but on this one point I believe Mr. Soreson is wrong Wrong WRONG WRONG.
If we let these mutts off the hook just because they are no longer in power,
- we debase the rule of law,
- we allow them to live to fight another day (how many of the current crop of criminals started their lives of crime in the Nixon or first Bush administrations),
- we create a two tiered criminal justice system where white men with acess to helicopetrs to fly them away can simply resign and fly away to a comfortable retirement, their stock options and golden handshakes intact.
We MUST stand up for the rule of law and establish ONCE AND FOR ALL that if you break the law and get caught, you WILL BE CONSEQUENCED!
Nice to have you back, LHP! We missed you.
Susan in Iowa @ 15
WHAT A GREAT IDEA! How do we transmit this idea to the DNC?
Loo Hoo. @ 29
second that.
GordonM @ 18
Could there be two alternate spellings? I ran this through Jacuba spell check and it did not come up. I wondered about it myself.
I agree with most everything in the speech except this:
I think the most important governmental task of the next president will be to root out the true believers this administration will be leaving behind, and investigating the heck out of the political people we can replace, and then branding all of them with a scarlet T on their foreheads so they cannot rise from the political grave and haunt us again.
Clinton followed this advice when he got elected. Ford pardoned Nixon and the investigations dried up. In both cases, the evil undead came back. I volunteer to give up my excellent private practice to take on this project, if LHP and some of the other people I see here will join me. I can do it and leave no traces: I didn’t get my law degree at a school that advertises on matchbooks.
loosehead — we really did miss you!
Swift doing a great job with Keith. He’s a real Hero.
Maybe Pelosi only meant “I” was off the table during the first 100 days…I’m hoping she’s sharpening that particular quiver…
dakine01 @ 19
I think you are talking about the Fred Friendly roundtables. later they were hosted by (oh gosh I forgot his name–taught at Harvard. Nice guy. I used to run into him on the street all the time–the name will come to me….)
LS @ 36
fletching that particular arrow you mean. *grins*
LS @ 36
John Dean said a long time ago—start with the low hanging fruit and work your way up. It would seem that at this point in time, Abu very closely resembles low hanging fruit.
This is not a difficult concept Democrats. Get rid of the DLC. This little group is the antithesis of liberal or progressive. My gawd!
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Not nearly as much as I missed being here
I read the speech yesterday and thought it was wonderful. I must admit, the only one I can literally picture giving it justice is Al Gore. To me, he’s the only one with the moral authority, the international stature, and the viceral authenticity to actually say what he means and mean what he says.
lhp—How was your trial.
Now Larry Johnson on Keith. Great line-up tonight.
masaccio @ 33
I think the most important governmental task of the next president will be to root out the true believers this administration will be leaving behind, and investigating the heck out of the political people we can replace, and then branding all of them with a scarlet T on their foreheads so they cannot rise from the political grave and haunt us again.
Clinton followed this advice when he got elected. Ford pardoned Nixon and the investigations dried up. In both cases, the evil undead came back. I volunteer to give up my excellent private practice to take on this project, if LHP and some of the other people I see here will join me. I can do it and leave no traces: I didn’t get my law degree at a school that advertises on matchbooks.
I think it would be helpful to get this project started now, with this Congress.
looseheadprop @ 32
dict.org “match” sends me to rhythm in all 3 dictionaries.
Larry Johnson on KO: London “car bomb”.
If sparked it would have done a lot of damage to the interior of the Mercedes. This was an incindiary, not a high explosive. You wouldn’t want to be in the car, but someone 20 or 30 feet away might have ear damage.
LHP @ 45
I have one large project to complete, and then I am available. How about you?
RevDeb @ 39
Lo whanging fruit that is well past it’s “sell by” date. *g*
Larry Johnson:
All we know about these people is that they could afford a Mercedes. The logic of fighting them over there instead of here is flawed. These people were already here. Gen. Richard Myers said is that terrorism is the greatest threat we have, it is a threat but we need to put it in perspective, if we allow ourselves to be terrorized, they win.
looseheadprop @ 49
No, It’s still rotting in the field! His ‘illegal’ Brethren, went on strike!!! ;-)
egregious @ 43
EG I am getting WAY WAY too old for weeks at a time of 20 hour days.
I love being on my feet in court. I love taking to a jury and watcing for the tell tale nod of the head when you know what you are saying resonates with them, or better yet, when you get them to laugh out loud during your rebuttal summation( I had two laughing audibly), but the judge move our trial date FORWARD by 6 weeks (very unexpectedly) so mostly, it was just a grueling physical endurance contest.
It was my tiney botique form on one side vs. 4 firms (two of them amoung the largest firms in my market) on the other side.
I haven’t been that kind of tired since I left being a government prosecutor.
I would really like to see LHP and masaccio (and other FDL legal types) get together on a project like that! Good luck and keep us informed.
Loo Hoo. @ 47
I’m watching KO too. Larry Jophnson had me laughing.
I miss Jack and Bobby Kennedy.
looseheadprop @ 54
“We know they can afford a Mercedes!” Oh Lord, won’t ya buy me… 8-)
Loo Hoo. @ 47
Qui Bono???
masaccio @ 48
Already trying to convince relevant Congresspersons that they should accept some well mening help. I want ot see them get the most bang for the buck when they get someone in to testify
looseheadprop @ 58
That would be excellent. You and Marcy could really help them tie the crooks in knots under oath.
Emptywheel teaches us that you do not need to be a lawyer to be a bulldog, although it helps. If Masaccio has a bright idea for coordinating such a project, to avoid duplicative effort, maybe facebook could play a role as a sign-up/assignment sheet.
LHP, looks like the House really needs the help. The questioning from Judiciary was pathetic.
masaccio @ 33
What we need is a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. without the reconciliation part.
I needed that.
As someone pointed out even with a win, the bad guys/girls need to found and thrown out of Gov. Just remember they are only going to go some were and sharpen there knifes for next attack. To take this country back to the people, it’s along battle.
jo6pac
Yep–this part is wrong. Think of this: pardon of Nixon got us into a situation where we refought Vietnam, with even worse results. “Closure” is not reached until we get there; shortcircuiting the process allows the evil to hang on and come back stronger later.
Looking at Olbermann and a story on Rupert M. Did I read somwhere that Rupert is a pal of Hillary?
yellowsnapdragon @ 53
The WONDERFUL Bob in Hawaii set up a working page in response to my “Priming the Pump” post where we can collect evidence and deposit legal research and develope prosecutable articles of impeachment.
Now that I am back from the trial, I hope to give it some serious attention. It can be a great place to collaberate. Not just lawyers, but all the docu dumpster divers who know Soooo much more baout the available evidence than anybody on Capital Hill
Susan in Iowa @ 60
Ooh, I know my way around in a Law Library, and, I have access to one within walking distance!!! *g*
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
yep. he gave her $$ for her campaign.
LHP, thank you for this post. So nice to hear the sound of the English language being used effectively and in a life-affirming manner vs. the mangled slander and tortured logic of late.
Like a Stradivarius. Music to my ears.
I do know that Rupert is a bosom buddy of Tony Blair.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
He did a fundraiser for her senate race. Article in NYT said that he’s your basic whore–supports any govt that lets him do what he wants to in his business–not a doctrinaire wingnut, though that’s where his heart is.
Susan in Iowa @ 60
EW is the gold standard for document research on this project
LHP @ 51
So did you win?
looseheadprop @ 37
I just remember it was fascinating to watch as the moderators tried to lead the participants through real world situations based on whatever topic and justify theire actions, for good or ill.
And I agree that the part of the speech where he said the come togethr and move forward without accountability is a BAD idea. It sounds nice and reasonable but we’re paying the price today for Ford’s pardon of Nixon and the attempt to “put it behind us and move forward.”
So let me get this straight. Rupert, Fox (Bill O’, etc) and Hillary?
masaccio @ 61
My undersatnding is tah much of their House Judicary staff is new. they just need a little guidance.
looseheadprop @ 52
You are doing the work of the angels my dear. We are with you.
punaise @ 62
See? This is why I missed the Lake so much!
Pentagon Briefing today:
Gates…..”So I think that it really is more a reflection of the enemy that we’re facing and where we’re having — most of the combat operations are in fact right now against al Qaeda. It is also true, I believe, that it is al Qaeda that has done the most in terms of trying to stoke sectarian violence, from the bombing of the Samarra mosque a year ago February to the second bombing of the mosque just a couple of weeks ago, and to try and provoke exactly the kind of reaction that happened after February of last year. So I think that at least in terms of the combat operations that we’re conducting now, the principal enemy that they are facing is in fact al Qaeda.
Right?
GEN. PACE: Yes, sir.
Q Mr. Secretary can I follow that up please?
SEC. GATES: Yeah.
Q Do you have evidence that al Qaeda was directly involved in the second Samarra bombing? All the comments that we’ve heard so far is that indications marking —
SEC. GATES: I think that it’s — I guess the way I would characterize it is that it seems to me that that’s probably an analytical conclusion. I’m not sure whether they have a lot of hard evidence about it.
Uh huh. Hmmmmmm.
masaccio @ 61
We’re on it.
eCAHNomics @ 71
The real question then, at least for this Democrat, is not what this says about Rupert, but what this says about Senator Clinton.
eCAHNomics @ 73
You won’t believe this, we got remanded to state court. I don’t know who was more PO’d, my side or my opponents. (actually, I do know, my opponents were more cheezed than my client was–I was too tired to be mad)
OK @ 81
Bingo.
KO: Mutt Romney! LOL
RE: Murdoch
eCAHNomics @ 71
I agree with that take. After all, Murdoch brings us The Simpsons, Family Guy… Money first, ideology later.
Coultergeist is WPITW!!!
Not news here.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 81
Look, I don’t want to trash a fellow Dem, but what anput Hillary does NOT make you think “political pragmatosm”?
GordonM @ 85
Yeah, and Simpsons did a mock on Faux News.
RevDeb @ 86
It was the wrong picture though. I prefer Darkblack’s inspred photo with the tapeworm mouth!
looseheadprop @ 89
That was the most amazing picture!!!!
I am having a hard time reconciling myself to the fact that Senator Clinton is the second highest receiver of health industry money (SiCKO), her hawkish views on the Middle East, her close connections to the DLC, and accepting the assertion that she is a progressive or liberal.
looseheadprop @ 89
I’ve got a pretty strong stomach, but I cannot look at that picture for more than 1/2 second. Genius!
LS @ 79
Well, at least, it is a known unknown instead of a known known. Personally, I wish it was Gates that had remained an unknown unknown.
RevDeb @ 86
It’s to the point that Coultergeist, BillO, Beck, and a couple of others may need to be blocked from receiving WPITW more than once a week as they are ALWAYS candidates. Almost by their very existence it seems.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
Queue Jeopardy theme…
LS @ 79
No hard evidence to back up crap tey are spweing to the MSM? Oh yeah, just another da in Shrub’s DC.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
It’s the Third Way–take everything that’s bad about the first two ways, and there you are.
Tweety covered the great London bombing massacre- suggesting that we’ve gotta watch arabs or they’ll kill us all- with no facts at all about who set the bomb or why.
Olberman had a guy on who said that the damned thing couldn’t have hurt anyone outside the car and that all we can tell about the bomber is “he can afford a Mercedes- Yuppi bomber.
So who ya gonna believe out there.
They found a cufflink in the car with the initials TB.
looseheadprop @ 87
I’m confused.
Keith now doing Willard’s dog story. Scott Leheigh did it up proud in today’s Glob. It’s a good laugh.
LS @ 90
It certainly captured her best features!!! ;-)
Murdoch was a prime mover on the invasion of Iraq. I really think he had a lot to do with Blair turning the law on its head in England. Wherever he decides he wants to set policy, he starts using his money. Clinton is very much for sale, she has her hand out constantly. Nominating her would be a monumental setback for progressives and the rule of law.
rwcole @ 98
Any Poodle fur, er, hair?
Kids learn about crime as we are subject of attempted robbery at the house 7 men zoom off when we confront the one closest to the house. One child who clearly has no fear/sense pursued them and got the license plate. Police made a match and we hope to break up a ring. Other child wants to know why I don’t seem very afraid after the initial shock. [Those of you who talked me off that cliff: thank you.]
Working in Russia and being kidnap potential as known American of means tends to build a reserve of strength against fear. Once you have accepted the risk you need not be afraid any more. Interesting that among bloggers there are so many who have looked death in the face one way or another.
“The purpose of public office is to do good, not harm.” I like the idea of a public office Hippocratic oath of sorts.
Gordon— No but there was a well used discipline collar- with a note- LOVE GWB
I too am really bothered by that one section in an otherwise stirring message:
It is this ‘magnanimous’ attitude that has enabled exactly these kinds of crimes to flourish – because there are no consequences for the people who perpetrate them, only rewards. They retreat, regroup, and return. They sabotage every good effort to undo their evil.
No more.
I caught just the beginning of Word for Word on NPR today, featuring Princeton University dean Anne-Marie Slaughter who is worried that America has lost touch with one of it’s founding principles – accountability and correction. The Idea that Is America: Keeping Faith with Our Values in a Dangerous World is the book she’s written to express her views. You can hear her Word for Word talk or download it as a podcast here. She takes her cue from a chorus of America the Beautiful that gets skipped over by the cult of American Exceptionalism.
You can’t heal a nation’s wounds by ignoring them – or those who caused them. You can’t pretend they are somehow not connected to the essence of the country, because the worst among us are just as American as the best – as are those who fall somewhere between. If we are to truly heal the country, we must begin with honesty and self-knowledge.
This thing about Mutt Romney–I’m sorry but my mental image is of a dog with his head out the window, times 2 or 3 enjoyments on top of the car. But then I don’t have a dog. I’m a cat person and today’s NYT story has the following insight:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 99
OT – but we just knew that something like this would come up as bushco is not doing well just now and the immigrant bill was blocked – ergo – terror alert b/c of the attempted car bomb in UK… i can write this myself….
Ooh, M Moore on Larry King!!!
Eli upstairs on Mitt and Seamus
egregious @ 104
EG, Honey, I didn’t know. Are you OK? How old are these brave children?
The major argument against forgiving of forgetting this crap – many of the creeps causing this s**t were forgiven for doing it before!
If the police can consficate property on suspicion of drug violations, why the hell can’t we keep repeat offenders out of government??
Kissinger in jail now. The others can follow.
CTuttle @ 111
Tnx! For heads up. I’m there now.
A few days ago SusanUnPC posted this article at No Quarter:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..r-pea.html
It contains a speech JFK gave at the Hanford Reservation back in 1963. What struck me as so different from most of the political speeches of today is how much it said, and how eloquently it said it. Compare this to one of Senator Clinton’s speeches, or Sen. Obama’s. They say as little as possible while trying to sound profound. We could use clarity and thoughtfullness in our public discourse. Much as I’d like to, I can’t blame all of its abscence on the Republicans.
Way late to the thread, but what a speech!
As one who does a fair amount of public speaking, let me say that you are absolutely right, LHP, that you need to read this out loud to get the full impact. Too many speeches are written to be read, not heard. Sorensen does NOT make that mistake.
Now if we could just find someone to give the speech next summer . . .
xaxnar @ 107
Amen!
looseheadprop @ 113
Well this just happened. I’m still a little shaky. Kids are early twenties and late teens. You have faced far worse than I, and I thank you for the inspiration.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
Because she isn’t a liberal or progressive, OK. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: No liberal would back a bill to ban flag burning! I would never even consider burning our flag, but I believe Patrick Henry said (to paraphrase) I may not agree with what you do, but I’ll defend to the death your right to do it! I get very upset whenever I hear her referred to as a liberal or a lefty of any kind.
staying vague is standard political procedure. It offends less people. That’s kind of the secret to getting elected- offending fewer people than your opponent.
It’s doubly tricky in a primary- cause you have to appeal to your own voters- but do it in a way that doesn’t hack off the people you will need in a few months for the general election.
We all wish it weren’t that way- but it is- and it always will be. It’s politics.
LHP, thanks for the speech. It brought tears to my eyes.
Today on c-span I caught a legislator railing against any restoration of the fairness doctrine.. Obsolete, unnecessary due to numerous alternative news sources, etc.
Cheering anyone considers the threat viable enough to be preemptive strike worthy. Perhaps brought on by Murdoch-WSJ?
EG
Just happened as in tonight?
Guess primary fever is beginning at FDL- and Hillary seems to be in the shitter.
I like Richardson and Edwards- but it’s early- and any of em are better than the goopers- I don’t think much of trashing the dem candidates- although it’s a free country so have at em.
looseheadprop @ 123
Yes while I was working. Close to 5
egregious @ 125
Yow. However you feel now, I’ll bet people in your house have trouble sleeping tonight. Might think of putting mattresses on the floor all in one room.
“speaks to our better selves”
exactly right
… or, the better angels of our nature, pace lincoln
“The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”
First Inaugural Address
Monday, March 4, 1861
compare and contrast, with the current incumbent.
wtf @ 127
Gee, what wasn’t inspired about “go shopping”? /snark
this is what i’m concerned about – after all the damage bushco has inflicted on the country – can it be restored to the constitutionaldemocracy we once had??
curious: who/when coined bushco? it’s so perfect.
juslin @ 129
Most probably, yes. It takes awhile. We’ve had bad Presidents before (though none as bad as this) and done terrible things to the Constitution (going all the way back to the Alien And Sedition Act). It takes generational time frames to seriously change things, and almost always, the experiences of 2 or 3 generations ago are totally forgotten.
So how’s that for being both encouraging and depressing at the same time?
gordonm@131
its a bit hopeful but depressing in the long run – it seems we’re on the verge of something horrible but i hope dems can stem the spiral into chaos
question: a dear but apolitical friend said this:
“all congresses of 1 party go after the pres of the other party esp when he’s a lame duck”
… no no no no no no no no no … i said
what is the best most concise argument for summarizi how qualitatively and quantitatively more bad evil crooked corrupt incompetent and ugly this admin is than any other in history, and debunking the “they all do it” meme of the uninformed
juslin @ 132
Well, as they say, it’s always darkest before it gets brighter, or goes totally black.
Seriously, this crew has lost their fight. Their backs are to the wall, so they will try everything they’ve got (so you will see some truly ugly sh*t, some of which may work), but the pendulum has gone about as far as it will go.
Unfortunately, their abject mismanagement of the economy may make the coming years very, very painful. But as far as human & civil rights go, the worst is close to over.
To my mind, the biggest worry is whether we get a genuine progressive in 08, or someone who just talks that way.
wtf @ 133
I don’t think that’s true. It generally is, but we rarely have a President & party this unpopular, (yeah, Congress’s ratings are down, but that’s the leaders, not the party as a recent poll showed).
That’s tougher, ’cause you have to know your history to counter their arguments. Try pointing out that the Republicans got more corrupt in 10 years than the Dems did in 50.
There are also a lot of lies. It is not true that Nixon lost to JFK because of dead people voting in Chicago, but almost all Republicans “know” that fact. (It was investigated at the time by Republican prosecutors who found no evidence.) It’s not true that Reagan lowered taxes – he raised them (by raising Medicare and FICA more than he lowered income taxes). And the only administration to shrink the size of gov’t was Clinton/Gore.
It’s hard work, and the principle fault of the Left is (like anybody who’s sane) we don’t like hard work!
I MISS TED SORENSON!!!!
Thank you, LHP, for a wonderful post! I’m going to forward it to a lot of people!
Bob in HI
I like Richardson and Edwards- but it’s early- and any of em are better than the goopers- I don’t think much of trashing the dem candidates- although it’s a free country so have at em.
The ticket should/could be Edwards/Richardson. We’d have Edwards’ idealism and passion and Richardson’s experience and pragmatism. (I don’t love Richardson but lots of people admire him).
I beg of you FDL community: contribute to John Edwards tonight at http://www.johnedwards.com to keep it from becoming a 2 person race, with all the corporate compromises that Hillary and Obama have already made (not to mention their joint unelectability–disastrous for the absolutely essential Democratic victory)!
LS @ 14
I gotta agree with you about that.
Bob in HI
jayt @ 22
Who is Aaron Sorkin?
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 139
Writer, creator of The West Wing, among other gems.
looseheadprop @ 28
Amen, Sister!!! I HEAR you!!! Hallelujah!!!
Bob in HI
Ann in AZ @ 42
Actually, to me it sounds more like something Barack Obama could recite with conviction. It suits his style, and echoes themes in his book, Audacity of Hope. But let’s see who can pick up this ball and run with it.
Bob in HI
looseheadprop @ 49
O-o-o-o! what a great idea! Let’s whang some of that lo fruit!
Well, seriously, just about all the low hanging fruit has already been picked: Everyone involved in the firing of the USA’s below the administrative level of Gonzales has already left, haven’t they? A few low hanging fruit in the White House who were involved have also left, IIRC. Gonzo is not exactly low hanging fruit: He’s part of the Gang of Four, with Bush, Cheney, and Rove– and in fact, he’s the Firewall for the Terrible Trio. Impeaching Gonzo would rip the protective cover off this criminal conspiracy.
Bob in HI
looseheadprop @ 66
Thank you, LHP! Once again, here’s the Priming the Pump workspace! Will that do for what you have in mind?
Bob in HI
Ann in AZ @ 42
Exactly what I was thinking.
It’s a great speech, I would like to see the nominee use it (except for the not going after the corrupt neocons of the Bush White House.)
As I read it, I immediately thought, no we must pursue them with vigor, if they have broken the law. We must fix our system of right and wrong, we must punish those who believe might makes right, and that power gives them the right to trample the rights of citizens without consequence.
I agree with others who say we must banish anyone who aided and abetted this administration’s illegal actions. We must bar all of these criminals from any future role in government. It is the only way we can keep the fascist agenda from sneaking back into power and corrupting our nation’s highest offices ever again.
GordonM @ 135
GordonM,
Thanks for all these pointers.
I’ve been trying to get cranky Ohioans to register to vote and man, are they giving me a hard time.
These facts will help, I hope!
I also just read the speech aloud…to my listening walls….and while some words may be a bit too highbrow for some wingnuts….I would enjoy hearing it from the podium at the DNC convention. While I read it I also tried to fit the speech to the various candidates and could not…JFK and FDR kept coming forward. Obviously it is not a speech for HRC…as she as so many others refuse to acknowledge their errors, timidity, and blantant bowing to the White House over these past years. This is a speech for a fresh candidate…with no baggage…and unafraid to look both forward and backwards, unafraid to admit the errors of the past…unafraid to walk among the nations of the world….unafraid to challenge for what is right and needed both here and abroad….unafraid.
This country needs to put a fresh face forward…not the politicians of the last few decades trying to reinvent themselves.
Strike as consumers and workers.
Boycott the sham “elections” which only replace one wing of the WarParty with another wing of the WarPart!!!!
Strike/Boycott 08
I loved Sorenson’s speech!
I then read an article in The Nation called The Torture Adminstration written by Anthony Lewis back in December of 2005. Oh how I miss Anthony Lewis writing for the NYT! If you haven’t read it I would encourage you to do so.
egregious @ 43
Were you found wanting or
were you found up to the task?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Loo Hoo. @ 50
I tend to disagree, at least in part.
I study strategy all the time and unless you see your home base as impermeable and completely safe, then it DOES make sense to ‘fight them over there so you don’t have to fight them at home’.
Of course, that doesn’t mean they’ll cooperate and fight you where YOU want. So, you have to be ready to defend your home base as well as try to keep them away from it and to occupy them with fighting far from your home base. One would prefer to fight them on THEIR home territory to make them pay the highest price possible and to destroy their support base.
Note one of the flaws of the Iraqi strategy during the first Gulf war was to place a substantial part of their military on the border with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, thinking we had to face them in a line like Revolutionary War style dueling lines of soldiers. Instead we let them think we were going to fight there, but then, using our global sense of the situation, we went around them and hit them from the side and from behind and had access to Baghdad if we’d chosen to fight there.
Never think so narrowly — think outside of the balloon.
Fighting Bush doesn’t have to start with ‘low-hanging fruit’, though that has been successful at revealing the extent of the corruption of this regime. But, you could easily connect the dots and realize the immediate attack may be on individuals (or policies) of the administration, but that the effort is to change the minds of the public (the home base). Can Republicans ‘defend’ their home base directly? They use their control of the media to try and prevent information flow. That’s one way they do it. But, in an open society such as ours that’s doomed to failure and the Internet is a big part of that.
Unless some minority group, such as police, such as the Rich, such as one political party, wish to use force to restrain democracy in America the process of convincing the electorate will win out. And, we are on the front lines of that battle to find the Truth and convince the public the Dems are better suited (at least for now) to lead.
Another aspect of our current foreign policy is that we’ve lost a lot of support from other peoples around the globe. If we had more friends to join with us in our big battles, then it would be easier to win and easier to convince any enemies to avoid fighting us in the first place. That’s one reason the 9/11 attacks were so surprising and strange. Who would take on (essentially) the whole Western world that way? But, today it’s far too easy to imagine many enemies considering small attacks on American interests.