In yet another activist court decision, the US Supreme Court conservative “Gang of Five” have issued a number of opinions this week, all of which come under the rubric of thumbing their collective noses at stare decisis.
The phrase “I told you so” leaps to mind here, but that doesn’t do us any good now. See what the moronic vote stylings of Joe Lieberman and other keepers of the fence-sitting flame have wrought. (I’m looking at you and your pile of unused donation cash, Nancy Keenan. By the way, in case you haven’t noticed, Sen. Whitehouse is doing a fine job – no thanks to you.)
Today, for example, the Court issued yet another 5-4 opinion (although, to be fair, it was 5-4 by virtue of a wishy-washy Kennedy concurrence that attempts a non-Solomonic splitting of hairs) in cases dealing with desegregation efforts and school systems that have been the standard since Brown v. Board of Education.
Dakine01 found a great local newspaper article discussing the Kentucky case, which included the following:
Justices could uphold or strike down the use of race entirely, which could carry implications beyond schools and possibly into affirmative action programs. But some predict a narrower, split ruling that approves integration’s goal but rejects certain methods.The decisions “have to be carefully studied, parsed and reviewed to determine what they really mean. It’s not always immediately clear,” said Ted Shaw, president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.
Louisville was under a court order to integrate until 2000, when a judge ruled that had been achieved. But with schools resegregating nationally, the district opted to continue under a plan upheld by lower courts.
John Powell, director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at Ohio State University and Gary Orfield, co-director of the Civil Rights Project at UCLA, recently wrote that a ruling against the district would be a major setback to racial equality.
“Without these plans, it is very likely that public schools could again become resegregated in Louisville and Seattle over time,” they wrote.
SCOTUSBlog is following this closely, and has links up to the decisions (which are a whopping 185 pages long).
Jack Balkin has had a great running commentary going on all the cases this term, and his summary the other day on the varying degrees of obstinancy among the various conservative factions was extremely interesting.
There are two ironies worth noting. The first is that George W. Bush promised to appoint Justices in the mold of Thomas and Scalia. But Roberts and Alito have not been willing to go as far as Thomas and Scalia in these cases. That may be because they are new on the Court and not yet ready to overrule cases left and right (mostly to the right). Or it may be because they are genuinely “conservative” in the sense of preferring slow and steady incrementalism to the large changes in doctrine that Scalia and Thomas prefer. In any case, Roberts and Alito do not seem to be “in the mold” of Scalia and Thomas, although, to be sure, they seem to be just as conservative, and perhaps that is what Bush really meant.
The second irony is that Chief Justice Roberts had hoped to produce more consensus and fewer plurality opinions during his time as Chief Justice. Yet, even in cases in which he and Alito agree with Scalia and Thomas on the result, he couldn’t manage to get a majority opinion in Hein and Wisconsin Right to Life.
Today’s opinion was another plurality — but I’m going to have to find some time to read through everything to get a feel for where this one will fall. Linda Greenhouse had a similar assessment in the NYTimes today, written prior to the desegregation decisions, and it is worth a read as well.
That even conservative columnist James Kilpatrick bashes the Roberts’ court for factual irregularities, internal inconsistencies in reasoning and a general activist bent and disdain toward stare decisis is telling. (H/T to reader WB for the link.)
I cannot help but think about former Justice Thurgood Marshall, and his NAACP legal compatriots, and their joy on the steps of the US Supreme Court following reading of the opinion in Brown v. Board of Education, and what that decision meant for so many Americans who were, in that moment, lifted up. The joy on their faces, and the hope.
Today, all I am feeling is hollow — that this Supreme Court lifts up no one but those who think as they do, and that the rest of the nation, especially those who most need a hand up from the shadows of poverty and despair, are left on the sidelines whether or not they have been wronged.
(Photo at the top via His Noodly Appendage. Photo of George E.C. Hayes, Thurgood Marshall, and James Nabrit via Wiki.)
UPDATE: Here’s a bit of good news. Howie says that the netroots beat Lieberman’s Collins fundraiser efforts — by a lot, as in somewhere between $100,000 and $120,000 at the current count. Toxic Joe, keeps on keeping on…
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Scalito’s macaca moment
zed?
go, Prairie Sunshine!
ah, le deuxieme…ou dos…
Another Minnesotan beat me to it. Hi Prairie Sunshine.
EPU’d from last thread but on topic here:
Biodun @ 136
They are tearing apart each piece of our democracy … looking at all of today’s new, I
want to know when our “leadership” will actually act to stop them?
Biodun @ 6
EPU’d but I want to say it again:
Kennedy, how’s that fencepost feel between your a$$cheeks? What a coward!
The SCOTUS opinion is also up at its site:
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/…..05-908.pdf
Siun @ 7
I think that is the real question…will they wait until the coup is complete? To say they couldn’t do anything.
Updated the piece above: Howie reports that the netroots fundraising kicked Toxic Joe’s piddly effort for Susan Collins of Maine right in the ass. Thought we could all use some good news today because, frankly, this week has sucked.
Outrage over SCOTUS decision shared, CHS. If “the 5″ are willing to tear off pieces of Brown v. Board, what else are they willing to do down the road?
Now I get to drive to work w/out taking my frustration out on other fwy motorists…
Chief Justice Earl Warren (A Republican) was, and is, a giant.
I didn’t get a chance to respond downstairs, I guess too much is happening today, anyway, from downstairs
what does that mean, “enforce the rule law”?
are they gonna arrest them?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
Hear! Hear! This week has indeed sucked!
This is why winning the white house in 2008 is so extremely important. The upcoming SCOTUS appointments in the wrong hands could set us back 30 years, easy.
Back to the future: 1954, 1899, 2007:
My bold.
Impeach Alito and Roberts, they lied under oath when they said they’d respect precedent.
Just more republican liars, out for what they can get. And what they need to get is unemployed!!!
MSNBC now has a banner stating that the Senate blocked the Immigration bill – it’s labeled a Bush defeat.
If Clusterfuck gets one more Supreme Court appointment- we’re screwed for a generation.
Meanwhile Boy George speaking somewhere…
Al Qaeda is repeated about every other world.
The meme ain’t enough to cover your failures and incompetence, “cry wolf” boy….
rwcole @ 20
Generations
rwcole @ 20
Senate won’t approve.
rwcole @ 20
there is no way he can get one of his judges on the bench, he’d wind up with a “recess appointment”, somebody the democrats pick, or nodbody
N
Yeah this is a good one. Shows that Bush has no power over his own party- lamest of ducks- and that it was the goopers who killed the bill- alienating the growing hispanic vote for a decade or two.
Nice job Bush!!
rwcole @ 20
We are already screwed for a generation. The time for action was 2004. Even if the next Supreme Court vacancy doesn’t occur until a Democrat is in the White House, it will still be just a holding action. The four horsemen of the apocalypse (Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts) are good for decades to come.
Jo Fish @ 18
I agree….but imo this is one where you might as well save your breath. Impeachment of a Supreme is just NOT gonna happen. Unless, of course, someone catches one with a law clerk under his desk.
Ralph Nader has a lot to answer for.
oddmommy @ 27
True (and PATHETIC!)
If Preznit Village Idiot gets another appointment to the Court, we are so screwed.
I am so glad that the “gang of 14 idiots” kept their powder dry, I truly am. What impressive leadership and derring-do!!! I hope Nancy Keenan chokes on all her money.
Scalia’s 71- and looks as if he eats a lot of sausage… I’d say we’re screwed for a decade.
Re: Hocus Scotus – If you’ve ever wondered what this country would be like if the Confederacy had won our Civil War, well, now you’re starting to find out.
I guess Slavery and Racism is now back on the official Repug’s “Politically Correct” rules to live by. Can’t have any of those non-white-skinned types goin’ to mah schools!
Another mint julep Judge Roberts? Why, yes indeedy,
honeychileyour Honor!I’m worried about Stevens. What is he, 87?
Roberts is so fucking white that even Wonder Bread is jealous.
Yah have ta wonder what goes on inside the skull of Justice Thomas. Did anyone ever point out to him that he’s BLACK?
The results on a lot of these last-minute cases might be 5-4 victories for conservatives, but there is absolutely no consensus on reasoning that results in a majority decision. The Hein v. FFRF case is the one that’s got my attention. It’s been cast as a “religion case” but it really has much, much more to do with executive branch authority and who can legitimately challenge it. Lots of weeds to plow through on that one.
Kennedy’s thinking that says in essence “I trust the executive branch not to overstep the line of promoting religion” worries me a great deal, as cases on warrantless wiretapping, executive privilege, and other executive v. Congress cases make their way to the Court.
Plurality decisions are not nearly as binding as majority ones. These battles aren’t over.
I am NOT pleased with those Democrats who voted for Roberts and Alito. Not at all.
And don’t get me started on Short Ride Joe . . .
rwcole @ 35
Absolutely nothing goes on the in the skull of Clarence Thomas, it was his main qualification for the Supreme Court.
Dems should probably have let Roberts through and said “hell nb” on the second nazi- of course they had much less power then than they do now.
yep, I just checked and Stevens IS 87. And I bet it is only for the good of us all that he hasn’t retired….bless his dear, noble old heart.
rwcole @ 35
Which head? Anita Hill can tell ya which one he thinks with!
Immigration Bill now stillborn for sure.
Yeah, but NARAL and HRC are raking in the dough!!! And their fabulous gala fundraisers are to die for!!!
As I recall- a president reaches a point in his final term after which he’s unlikely to get a supreme court appointment through- not sure what that time frame is. Six months? At some point, dems can run out the clock.
Peterr
re: Kennedy’s thinking that says in essence “I trust the executive branch not to overstep the line of promoting religion” worries me a great deal, as cases on warrantless wiretapping, executive privilege, and other executive v. Congress cases make their way to the Court.
What a lame thing for him to imply. This shows just how out of touch some people with power are. Indeed!
46-53 on immigration bill cloture vote. Not even close. The media’s already saying it’s dead. I don’t think so. This is Bush’s baby, and President Pissypants doesn’t take “no” for an answer. I say he takes at least one more shot (probably two) at ramming this thing through.
The irony is that Bush is essentially right. The system needs to be fixed, and this bill, despite all of its many flaws, is probably the best we’re going to get. Bush and Rove both know that for the Republican party to survive, it can’t afford to piss off Hispanic voters. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of anti-Hispanic racism in the Republican party. And therein lies the wedge.
rwcole @ 43
With this administration, that point has been reached.
rwcole @ 35
That didn’t stop him from playing the race card at his confirmation hearing before the Dem-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee. He called the hearing a “high-tech lynching,” stopping the committee Dems on their tracks. At that point, CNN editorialized, focusing on his white wife, Virginia, sitting behind him.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
Amen. I am proud to say that I attended the majority of my high school classes at Earl Warren Hall on the Bakersfield High School campus.
Warren was a fundamentally fair man first, and a Republican second. It’s also important to remember that he was a member of the GOP back in the days when it had (and he was part of) a progressive wing.
BC
I believe the only ‘Supreme’ ever impeached was Samuel Chase. He was impeached for being too politically partisan, and was aquitted.
Frank @ 45 sez:
‘Bush and Rove both know that for the Republican party to survive, it can’t afford to piss off Hispanic voters. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of anti-Hispanic racism in the Republican party. And therein lies the wedge.’
And I say: DING! DING! DING!
perris @ 14
got it from the daily kos
Essentially, the Senate’s options for dealing with non-compliance are:
Move to hold the targets of the subpoenas in statutory contempt of Congress
Move to hold the targets in inherent contempt of Congress
Extend the deadline for compliance and make threats regarding either #1 or #2 above
Come to some negotiated settlement with the “administration” — i.e., closed door, no transcript testimony, limited document release, etc.
Do nothing, complain loudly about obstructionism, stonewalling, and lawlessness, and hope that voters elect Democrats in 2008, because Republicans are so nasty
Ask the House to impeach
That’s really about it. Most likely outcome? If history’s any guide, the answer lies somewhere in the neighborhood of #4.
rwcole @ 35
Thomas and Gonzales are two sides of the same coin. Both received their educations and positions based largely on affirmative action and the Civil Rights actions of the fifties and sixties and both are willing to slam the door on those coming behind them.
Lady Justice weeps as does Lady Liberty.
And the souls of the Warren Court mourn.
In watching the confirmation hearings I took that “respect for precedent” thing to be a coded way of saying they would not reverse Wade. At the time I thought they were trying to walk a fine line between appealing to wingnuts, while trying to communicate some support for Roe to less wingnutty folks who would want a way out if their teenage daughters made “mistakes.” But who knows, deceit knows no end with these folks.
Peterr @ 36:
I agree with you there. Reasoning not solid or consistent and definitely wobbly, pace Kennedy on this latest one, as Christy says “non-Solomonic splitting of hairs.”
Conservatives have made a political career out of promising to roll back the civil rights movement and reverse Roe/Wade. They’re on their way to delivering- and when they do- paradoxically- they are done- dead- over.
Since this week has sucked so much, as people here are saying, I’m sending y’all a smile with this:
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Thu, 06/28/2007 – 9:43am. Tony Peyser
Senate Committee Demands Documents From White House In Warrant-Free Eavesdropping Program
Each side now circles their wagons & later will say a novena
In hope that they will be proven to have the biggest subpoena.
demi @ 56
*g* Thanks for that!
OT, but most infuriating.
I used to think David Gregory had promise, ( I even wrote MSNBC suggesting he get Imus’ spot in the morning) but this exchange with Mrs. Edwards on the Today show has placed him in the worthless category with the rest of the flacks.
I understand we have Hitler to thank for kindergarten and highways, if you can get past the hate speech and gas chambers.
Goopers hate it that they’re kids have to either pay to go to “christian schools” or share hall space with people of color. “Why can’t it be the way it used ta be?” they say. “And I hear that black people get first dibs on jobs and college education- we’re gonna fix that one too!”
It’s Ronnie’s “Welfare Queen in a Cadillac” come back to life.
The GOP since Nixon- rascist to it’s core. Interestingly enough- Bush probably doesn’t have a rascist bone in his body- but he’ll carry the water for em.
In addition, it appears that collusion is again legal:
In a 5-4 decision, the court said that agreements on minimum prices are legal if they promote competition.
The ruling means that accusations of minimum pricing pacts will be evaluated case by case.
The Supreme Court declared in 1911 that minimum pricing agreements violate federal antitrust law.
I fully expect the court, at some point in the near future, to issue a ruling re-instituting slavery.
STTP in Ohio @ 58
He sold out to the highest bidder…GOP
kdh22 @ 22
That is why we need to say a prayer every day for Stevens .. and make it a point to Clinton .. or Obama .. or Edwards … or Gore(if he runs) .. how important the Court is .. and remind your neighbors as well
kdh22 @ 61
Gregory had 2 minutes of brilliance .. the one press conference where he stuck it to Bush .. otherwise .. he’s worthless .. speaking of WH correspondents … Glenn has an interview with Helen Thomas posted today.
If there were a Supreme Court vacancy within the next few months- it would be a battle Royale. Dems could bottle it up in committee- but for 18 months? Don’t know if they would go that far.
The Immigration bill took gas.
rwcole @ 59
‘Bush probably doesn’t have a rascist bone in his body- but he’ll carry the water for em.’
Rove gleefully channels Bush’s racism for him.
rwcole @ 55
Yeah. Anyone out there remember the riots of the late 60s? The civil rights movement was not just a reason for Jesse Jackson to pontificate … it was to provide all Americans with hope and a reason to get up in the morning without worrying about Jim Crow.
The republicans seem to yearn for some mythical 50’s existance of Ozzie and Harriet, what they are more likely to find is Watts, Detroit, Newark burning. Again.
Why are the fundamental concepts of fairness and equality so difficult for them to grasp?
rwcole @ 35
And supposedly graduated in the bottom third of his law class, yet still got appointed to the SCOTUS?
He gives affirmative action a bad name.
The photo of Justice Marshall brings a hard lump to my throat. I feel so empty this morning, someplace outside of anger and despair, grief around the edges but I don’t want to go there. What can we do? How can we support whatever forces for good are still at work in any part of our government? I did call my Congress people re: HC. No response from Lugar or Carson as yet. Got what looks like an email form letter from Evan Bayh, that I don’t really understand–but I don’t think he supports the bill. I write letters, make calls, donate money as I can. I really don’t want to live through this crap. What has happened to this country?
rwcole @ 35
You’ve seen the Chapelle show skit with the black blind white separatist?
Jo Fish @ 67
Because they don’t have to….they control the $$$$$. Fairness and equality hamper profit…duh!
GordonM @ 70
OMG!! Yes!
Gordon
No- but it sounds GREAT!!!
urizon @ 60
I fully expect the court, at some point in the near future, to issue a ruling re-instituting slavery.
well, why NOT gut the antitrust laws. There’s no Justice Department around to enforce them!
I always cut average people who supported the war a bit of slack. Although I was just as against it then as now I realize that most folks had limited time, the media was feeding everyone bs, the mood of the country was extreme and most of our leadership failed.
But any elected official who didn’t see this coming and didn’t do everything in their power to block Roberts and Alito gets no quarter. It’s their job to do so and they either weren’t thinking or just didn’t care. Either should disqualify them from participating in such decisions in the future.
rwcole @ 64
Maybe Thomas will realize he’s black and have a heart attack opening a seat.
[Mod: Please do not wish that a Supreme Court Justice will get a heart attack.]
1) Get rid of “affirmative action” (and NEVER try to understand what it IS)
2) Reverse Roe vs. Wade
3) Convince america that we had the Vietnam War won- till the hippies made us leave
4) Don’t allow white girls to screw until they’re safely married.
5) Put everyone in jail who uses consciouness enhancing drugs that don’t come from a pharmacuetical company.
6)Raise taxes on the poor- lower taxes on the rich.
There ya have yer gooper platform fer the future.
Can anyone explain how minumum pricing could NOT limit competition? Anyone?
jane hamsher @ 75
Hi Jane!
jane at 75 — It is all I can do not to run around the house screaming at this one (and, with a house full of in-laws, that would not exactly be wise *g*). I am so pissed at the collective idiocy of the Toxic Joe and pals gang of 14, along with the inactive NARAL leadership, that I could spit nails.
(((((Jane!!)))))
Al Gore about now must be rethinking a run for the presidency. Hope so.
Thom Hartmann just gave FDL a mention, or maybe announced an FDL guest, hope so, walked into room as he said FDL and didnt hear beginning of his sentence. Blogs are becoming!
Other than that, just sick about what SCOTUS doing this week, not to mention ratfink whitehouse F- Yous. 571 days more of their opportunity to wreak havoc and chaos– unless the big I or whatever other legal remedies can be applied.
oh wow… a Utah congresscritter is accusing the Dems of “shredding the Constitution” over the subpoenas re the USAs.
It just gets weirder and weirder…
Nanz at 82 — I’m going to be on Thom Hartmann’s show today beginning around 2:30 pm ET.
“Al Gore”
Well- if you remember- he was a pretty screwed up candidate last time- think he got any better?
Jane!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 80
I think that it’s okay to let off steam today and then write letters tomorrow.
ah ha– Christy on Thom’s roundtable! I had not had read this post in case it is common knowledge, doesnt hurt to mention again though.
I’ve been hopin for Edwards- but after a disappointing campaign for VEEP and a pretty uninspiring effort so far this time around- I’m gonna start hopin for Richardson. He’s doin well in Iowa and New Hampshire- showin some moxie with limited resources- but a dark horse for sure.
Hey Jane!
Thom Hartmann Show: Listen live here.
Nice goin Redd- break a leg!!
I support Gore for president.
OldCoastie @ 84
Classic projection.
old gold @ 28
Yep
in a 5-4 decision…..
get used to seeing that.
STTP in Ohio @ 16
I beg to differ; while it’s important to win the White House, it’s far more important to win a veto-proof majority in the Senate, so that NO ONE in the White House has the ability to steam roll the public any longer on appointments. Imagine a moderate Republican or a centrist Democrat, trying to make nice with the loudest elements of the radical right, giving them a bone with an appointment anywhere — the Senate should prevent that from happening. And a veto-proof majority in the Senate could impeach a SCOTUS Justice, undoing some of the damage the SCOTUS has done and prevent further damage that a life-time appointment could wreak. (I want Thomas off the court — it’s my goal in 2009 if we win a veto-proof majority. He is crappy at his job; surely there must be a better candidate for Justice that will protect the interests of those who need it most.)
It’s even more important to get grassroots-supported candidates elected in both the House and the Senate, ones that aren’t beholden to the very occasional bones that the likes of NARAL throw to them; grassroots candidates that will support public-financing of elections.
GordonM @ 70
DING! DING! DING!
“The second irony is that Chief Justice Roberts had hoped to produce more consensus and fewer plurality opinions during his time as Chief Justice. Yet, even in cases in which he and Alito agree with Scalia and Thomas on the result, he couldn’t manage to get a majority opinion in Hein and Wisconsin Right to Life.” This is bugging me, too. Wasn’t this one of the main arguments in putting forward Roberts for Chief, rather than elevating someone already on the court? He can’t even get true majority decisions.
rwcole @ 86
A: He wasn’t “screwed up” He would have won if Nader hadn’t sabotaged him.
B: He has gotten better.
Good vibes to Jane today!!!
If the Democrats in Congress need some things to get worked up about then this week has supplied it in spades. From the Cheney series, the SCOTUS decisions, to Getting flipped the bird this morning there is ample reason to stop playing patticake the other side.
I can bet that Leahy is chewing nails this morning. I personally, I think pissing off Waxman is stupid and I suspect he is more than pissed. If he were a gunfighter he would be squinting his eyes right about know. There will be lead subpeonas flying soon.
Real
Seemed pretty screwed up to me. He was riding a hot economy and a decade of peace and couldn’t turn it into a rout. His debate performance was weak- he had no sense of humor- he let the least qualified candidate in the history of the republic get by scott free on his “credentials”.. I thought it was a pretty pitiful performance- and he was scared shitless that Clinton jism would stick to him- so he kept one of history’s best campaigners out of the race.
All in all- not a great performance.
GordonM @ 70
Yes!
Have you seen the Uncle Ruckus character on Boondocks?
RealWorld @ 96
As do those who supported and encouraged Nader.
RealWorld @ 101
i don’t think the problem was that nader ran – the problem, if there was one, was that people voted for him. that was our (the Ds) fault to. i voted for gore, but that’s all i did. it wasn’t enough.
I glanced through the syllabus for the Seattle and Louisville cases and what struck me is how Roberts turns on its head the reasoning used in a couple of other recent cases.
The argument runs that parents have standing because of harm they (in the name of their children) may suffer and that the school districts have a heavy burden to show a compelling need to take race into account in their actions.
Now let me point out that in his dissent in Massachusetts v. EPA Roberts argued that shrinking coastlines due to global warming did not constitute a specific injury to specific Massachusettans. Yet this was a case where there was a real effect on real people.
Similarly, in Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc., Alito’s argument was and here I will merely insert what I wrote for my scandals list:
Again, in part because specific citizens could not point to a specific injury, they were out even though some of their tax dollars were, in fact, being used in violation of the Establishment Clause.
So what we have both in the Massachusetts case and Hein are real injuries which the court chooses to dismiss but in the Seattle and Louisville cases, where the injuries are only potential the court decides it will consider these.
Moreover, the heavy burden of the government in Hein to show a compelling reason for money going in support of faith based initiatives is magically waived. Yet in the Seattle and Louisville cases where there is an attempt by school districts to reverse, mitigate, and prevent racial desegregation in education, no compelling reason is seen by Roberts at all.
Roberts reasons that in Seattle segregation was never proved in a court of law and in Louisville where a decree instituted because there had been a finding of segregation had been dissolved, there is no reason for the districts to institute any remedies to see that segregration (Seattle) or resegregation (Louisville) does not occur. In other words, the court will not even consider preventing segregation and will not consider doing anything about it until it has occurred and been proven in court, and it may not do anything even then.
Finally, there is this bizarre bit
Roberts argues that the effects of the Seattle and Louisville programs have only a “minimal impact”. You might think that this would tend to weaken even further the parents’ contention that they or their children might suffer an injury. If the programs affect so few, you might think the parents would have a difficult time showing either that there was an injury or that that injury would be visited upon them. But not to worry, consistency is not a Roberts’ trademark. Roberts claims that the programs are so marginal as to be ineffective but goes on to say that even if they were effective he would not support them.
This goes to the heart of the cockeyed nature of this decision. Roberts decries the binary nature of racial classification but then introduces some binary reasoning of his own. Programs aimed at racial desegregation are either effective or they are not. If they are ineffective, they should not exist and if they are, he will not support them. While racial segregation may be illegal, Roberts will not countenance methods that take race into account to prevent it.
As I said before, Roberts uses the trees to obscure our view of the forest.
RealWorld @ 101
Disagree with A. Analyses go both ways; I suspect it was a wash.
What killed Gore was that he is basically the opposite of Clinton: Gore is squeaky clean; Clinton only came to life when he was in serious trouble, so he always courted trouble. Gore couldn’t be Gore under the shadow of Clinton. He was wooden because he was defensive, he was defensive because his boss did all kinds of things Gore couldn’t countenance.
Thanks for posting the Kilpatrick article. What a hoot!
*xyz @ 106
there were a lot of people who were, rightly, pissed off about NAFTA, media consolidation and other not good stuff.
i’m not going to blame someone who’s lost their job because of NAFTA for not supporting the Ds.
it’s our job to have better policies (the DLC does not help) that will attract voters.
jane hamsher @ 75
Jane! great to see you here. Hope you are feeling better. Last treatment means no more of that stuff (hopefully forever). Cheers!
Sally @ 82
I think he’s running now, just not announced. The SCOTUS situation is just one of the reasons I think so. No way you can stand in his shoes, say you care about all these important issues facing your country (and the world, for that matter) and then say “Never mind” when push comes to shove.
If he doesn’t run, I’ll think a lot less of him. Not for making my prediction incorrect, but for lacking the stones to step up when needed.
It’ll be Gore vs. Thompson in 08; Gore wins with over 52% of the vote.
Peterr @ 36
The Supreme Court was not created to trust the president, the Congress or anybody else. The Supreme court’s job is to examine the facts and examine the law to interpret how the law affects the case at hand and make a decision that respects established precedent or if needed modifies precedent.
They’re not supposed to trust anybody. They are the bulwark that stops overstepping.
I’m very sorry, seriously off-topic, but I am laughing so hard I almost wet my pants. (Twisted Martini, aliasofwestgate, if you’re out there, you need this.)
What’s the score of the Red Wings game?
God, I feel better after that chuckle after the non-stop string of downers.
rwcole @ 86
Most of us have learned a thing or two since election day 2000.
I am confident that Al Gore has learned more than most.
We’ll see.
Hugh @ 108 –
thank you for reading that, so i don’t have too.
is it fair for me to conclude that roberts is a hack?
First, I think that to call any of these five justices conservatives is a mistake. They are not driven by ideology, but by a blind party fealty, and that’s why they were put in there. There legally bewildering recent rulings on the first amendment point that out quite irrefutably. The idea of stare decisis has to be thrown out the window when you issue two such conflicting decisions on the same day, and the conflict can only be attributed to politics, not any legal differences between the cases.
The entire process of justice in the United States has been hijacked. This is just the other side of the Prosecutors’ Purge coin. Has anyone seen a single act by Alberto Gonzales that would indicate that he is an actual lawyer?
Thanks Christy for the time estimate– will make sure ears are open about then.
Capt. Dick and the Family Jewels by Tom Toles
Hugh @ 108: Thank you!
Gonzalez is a Real Estate Attorny- suin people cause of mold- what does he know about runnin a country? Nothin!
even reagans attorney generals want these idiots impeached
nice
His Imperial Cheneyness by Ben Sargent
Fein says cheney should be impeached on account of Bush let him fuck up the govt. No mention of what should happen to Bush the Lesser.
Odd situation in which the Vice President is bein attacked for doin what the President allowed.
A Hard Right Turn by Signe Wilkinson
To think that Clarence Thomas was a pariah in the African-American community BEFORE this decision.
Thomas must enjoy being loathed.
-GSD
selise @ 117
Yes, although as has been noted an articulate one. If he were as intelligent as some would like to think, he would not be able to hold to so many incredibly shallow and biased positions.
rwcole @ 55
and if this actually plays out as you describe we will have the fearful symmetry resolved, that which was predicted by LBJ back in the sixties when the civil rights movement lead to the Republican resurgence.
Thomas would never be on the supreme court if he was a dem. Condi would never be SOSINO if she were a dem. There’s a niche there that some have exploited.
Rayne @ 97
Why is a moderate republican like Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny?
Because none of them exist!
Look Rayne, Pete Domenici is described as a moderate Republican. He is a conservative, about two millimeters away from being a wingnut. Once upon a time there were moderate republicans. But they’re all gone now.
The Senate cannot impeach anyone — they hold the trial. The House would have to impeach Thomas, and I just don’t see that happening. Unfortunately.
BC
GSD @ 127
You know what would be really helpful, besides making it a goal to remove Thomas on the basis of his unsuitability for the highest court in the land?
Generating a list of Justice candidates to form a pipeline for future seating under a Democratic President and/or Democratic veto-proof majority.
I give strong preference to someone of minority status who is also female; one could say that’s gender- and racially-biased, but the court as currently constituted is just that, stacked against more than half the U.S. population. Time to demonstrate active diversity in hiring; if we don’t, we can expect to get more rulings like those we’ve received in the last week.
urizon @ 60
I fully expect the court, at some point in the near future, to issue a ruling re-instituting slavery.
What do you think the Immigration Bill is?
Rayne @ 98
All good points; I think we’re on our way to solid majorities in both houses.
But, at the end of the day, the appointments belong to the POTUS; without that seat you’re on defense no matter what the status of Congress.
Josiah Bartlett @ 114
I think this view is idealistic. It is what we would like the court to be. It is, however, belied by the court’s over 200 year history of siding with whatever group was most privileged at the time.
Southern Rascism was close to the bone in the “greatest generation”. It was they who stood with axe handles in doorways to protect the delicate flowers of the south. They’re mostly gone now- and the residual attitudes are a bit more subtle, more hidden, more difficult to call out. The supreme court embodies them.
Moderate Repug: Chuck Hagel
A “veto proof” congress would probably not be “veto proof”. Assumin dems won enough seats- a fairly high percentage of them would be from “red districts” with non-dependable votes. I think the White House would be of more value than a congress that was veto proof in name only.
Biodun @ 137
well,I don’t know about moderate but I would CERTAINLY trade hadel for lieberman
Just sitting here at the hospital getting my final round of chemo and tap tap tapping on my treo. Stuff’s making me chatty today. Marcy is threatening to tell my sister to cut me off from the toobz.the toobz.
Bargain Countertenor @ 131
You’re right, my bad about the impeachment process; we need veto-proof Senate to confirm the correct candidates and prevent the wrong ones from being seated, and the same majority in the House to ensure impeachment as appropriate.
But while you can argue about the nature of moderate Republicans, I find it hard to believe that the wingers regardless of their position on the nominally sliding wingnut scale won’t try to manipulate the vote again this election, and in favor of someone who appears to be a moderate just as the jackass in the White House was supposed to be a moderate.
And I don’t hear you arguing about “centrist Democrats”…it’s pretty pathetic when the centrist Dems are right of old school conservatives, but they may be the ones that pull enough votes from the right to clinch the deal in spite of the manipulation of 1% to 5% of the votes by Rove&Co.
Famous last words: NARAL, HRC, Gang of 14 –
“No one could have imagined that Bush’s SCOTUS nominees would shred the Constitution.”
Fresh post upstairs — couldn’t resist tweaking Toxic Joe.
Christy continues upstairs on Toxic HoJo
STTP in Ohio @ 134
101st Congress was 55 D 45 R. Thomas was confirmed 52-48.
If not for the gang of 14, goopers would have done the “nuclear option” and we would have gotten Roberts and Alito- but dems would now be sitting on “the bomb” (no fillibuster). Funny how things turn out ain’t it? The nuclear option don’t look so swell ta goopers anymore. McCain may have lost the presidency by saving goopers from themselves. Funny as hell.
jane hamsher @ 140
Tell Marcy it could be worse. I know of a cancer patient who’s refusing to give up smoking, says it calms her nerves while she’s going through chemo.
Yikes.
Keep on pecking away at that Treo. Just don’t leave it behind like your glasses, put it on a leash!!
jane hamsher @ 140
now, now, Marcy. the toobz are a great distraction. better than watching Fox, right?
STTP in Ohio @ 58
I would hate to give Hitler complete credit for the concept of the highway; though, he was responsible for employing nearly slave labor in building what remains, today, most of the modern autobahn. Still, he deserves no credit for good German engineering and 15 inches of the worlds very best reinforced concrete.
I do like the metaphorical aspects of your statements though, in that once children are indoctrinated and steeped in a societies group philosophy from their earliest education; they then need somewhere to go and a good way to get there.
Like all things in life, that possible reality could be used for bad or good or some gray area between. It might be a reality whereby Hitler youth are conveyed more quickly to the Russian Front; or it might be a reality where American children utilize a highway system to share and visit with fuel efficient cars and concern for the environment.
Either way, we’ve a long way to go and a short time to get there. We’ve got to do what they say can’t be done!
I believe Bill Clinton thinks Al will run. I’ve heard him seriously mention the possibility at least twice. And I don’t think Bill is opposed to Gore running. In spite of what he says, Bill may not be altogether comfortable with Hillary reaching the highest office he achieved and also besting him history-wise should she become the first female president. A minority of one here….
As long as we’re airing old grudges, how about Joe Biden, who as chair of the judiciary committee, could have stopped the Clarence Thomas nomination cold. And then there was his fawning over Roberts. I hate that S.O.B. as much Lieberman.
I knew that “respect for precedent” was a crock.
Ever since 1990 when I asked Rhenquist at my law school: what was his view of starei decises?
He said it really didn’t mean much in pure constitutional (not statutory) cases. In statutory interpretation, he said, it was important because you needed consistency and Congress could “overrule” the court by passing new legislation.
In interpreting the constitution, however, he said the court had to get it right even if it meant overturning past precedent.
Rayne @ 141
kdh22 @ 8
Let’s not forget Feingold’s complicity in this court’s makeup.
This is the court that the next dem president is going to have to go up against…unless (I’m thinking Ann Coulterish thoughts here…)
james @ 153
My call of ‘coward’ on Justice (and I use the term very loosely!) Kennedy is merely my most recent. I’ve called ‘coward’ on many others previously.
jane hamsher @ 140
sending good thoughts and wishes your way.
i still celebrate may 9th…. last day of my treatment, 16 years ago.
TiredFed @ 152
There always needs to be a way to bring a vote, impeachment or otherwise, to cloture. Remember how the Republican controlled congress went on and on about creating a Nuclear Option to subvert the minority’s ability with filibuster? That this democratic congress has not made noise about changing the rules in such a deplorable way…that is one of the few highlights to the session. But, it goes unnoticed as it is something that is NOT happening to the positive.
That is why a super majority needs to be achieved in the next election cycle for both houses of congress!
I think that Roberts and his good buddies have just guaranteed that the GOP will become a minority party. Why should non-whites register to vote for a party that has just told them to get Cheneyed?
dakine01 @ 145
Wasn’t Sam Nunn still in Senate, as well as Fowler and DeConcini?
And Shelby was in the Senate, too, flipped in 1994 to Repug. There were a lot of these so-called conservative Dems at the time, many more Dixiecrats.
Hence my point about grassroots candidates — people that are real progressives and not DINO’s.
Bargain Countertenor @ 48
Sure he was…not the sort of guy to let a report be whitewashed with the inclusion of a totally impossible bit of magic thrown in to keep the truth from coming out.
“Not in your life time…” what he said when a reporter asked when the files of the Warren Commission would be opened to the public.
A giant in some ways, but just a tool in others.
johnSwifty @ 157
Thank you for that explanation, perfect.
But at that point where a supermajority has been obtained in both houses, it is up to us to ensure that there is either no opportunity for the abuse of power, or the need to launch a third party that would effectively keep both Repugs and Dems on their toes from here on forward.
I think we’ve learned most painfully and expensively that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
America is weeping.
The only saving grace is baseball
Haiku:
first warm day
fitting my fingers into the mitt
pounding the pocket
–Cor van den Heuval
OK @ 13– I remember the ‘Impeach Earl Warren’ signs all over the South and West back in the 60’s. Maybe Scalia needs the same treatment, or ‘Anthony Scalia–who will rid us of this meddlesome judge?’ signs. But you’d have to be eddicated to catch the implied threat. Hey, we could call it irony, kids!
John- no fillibuster in the house- and the numbers to make a veto proof majority are different from what’s necessary to break a fillibuster in the senate.
In the event that there continues to be a gooper in the White House- dems would need a veto proof majority to pass legislation over a presidential veto.
RealWorld @ 101
I guess the fact that the GOP was going to do whatever it took to win played no part in this? Look at the group of Nazi-like thugs who cut off the recount in Dade; the office of secretary of state decided when the recount started and stopped as is delineated in their consitution; the whole Bush crime family was involved in that, witness consigliere Jim Baker’s involvement; and, lastly, the Supreme Court stepped in where it had no business and issued a per curiam decision based on faulty logic making sure that the fix was in.
Cut Nader a break. The man doesn’t deserve all the vitriol people on the left direct at him.
Nothing stopped Al Gore from going into court to challenge Bush before this got to the Supreme Court…nothing was stopping the people who are now demeaning Nader from gathering in the streets like the people in Mexico did after their tainted election or like the people in Ukraine or Georgia did a few years ago.
There are Democrats still in the congress who are more responsible for what’s happened to our republic and who deserve this ill will more than does Ralph Nader.
Rayne @ 162
Rayne,
I’m afraid you’re right, it will be up to the voting public to run guard duty. But we should mourn that fact most heavily, even as we accept responsibility. Because, under Jeffersonian principle, THAT is the duty of the judiciary!
rwcole @ 165
I get all my information from that Jimmy Stewart movie. Come to think of it, we should elect an actor…wait! What am I thinking!!!!!
It’s pretty clear that if Nader hadn’t gotten on the ballot in Florida- Gore would be in the White House- nothin’s certain- but that’s about as clear as it gets in political hypotheticals.
Nader just screwed up. He wanted to push the democratic party to the left by makin the race close- but he sure as hell didn’t want Bush to win. He didn’t think Florida would be close- it was- we have Bush and two fascist supreme court justices- and a bloody war.
rwcole @ 168
even if nader did screw up… he wasn’t the only one. we (the dems) did too. that was my point @ 107 and 111. while it might make us feel better, i don’t think it’s helpful to scapegoat him or the people who voted for him. let’s work to win them over – they ought to be our ideological allies, if we can pitch dlc policies.
selise- Well sure we want to win em over- but we don’t want 2000 to EVER happen again- and that requires that everyone fess up to what happened.
rwcole @ 170
uh, no. all we have to do is win them over. we don’t need them to apologize.
i think if we fessed up (see NAFTA) first, and second got our own house in order (see DLC) it wouldn’t be a problem (nader could run, but he wouldn’t get any votes).
Wow, he really went out on a limb with that prediction. “very likely could” and “over time”.
I hope he gets paid a lot for providing society with such informative statements.
Is this a tautology: “… this Supreme Court lifts up no one but those who think as they do”