Hello, Firedoglakers. This is Thers of Whiskey Fire, pinch hitting once again for Watertiger, who is on vacation in Australia -- more specifically, here. Sure, it looks nice and all, but one wonders if she really knows what she's getting herself into. Australians are a polite but mysterious people, constantly saying "good day" but leaving out the "ood" part. And then also they enjoy putting shrimp on Barbies. I don't even want to know what they put on Ken dolls. So I'd say that there is a reasonable danger that Watertiger may need to defend herself against unwanted seafood-stacking upon her person from inebriated Aussies who mistake her for a Mattel product, and it it to be hoped that she remains vigilant against any such Antipodean atrocities.
Vigilance is required in other parts of the world, also. One such place is the state of Minnesota, which has as one of its Senators the ludicrous and shameful spectacle that is Norm Coleman. Coleman's career on the national stage has consisted of a comical encounter with George Galloway and his courageous grandstanding in the Terry Schiavo mess.
At any rate I have long been aware that Coleman is an absolute tool, but I confess I had not fully appreciated the full extent of his toolishness until I came across this post at Talk Left. There we discover a link to an open letter sent to Senator Coleman by Norm Kent, a board member of NORML, an attorney, and a former classmate of Coleman's at Hofsta... where they were drug buddies. (Yep, that's a real picture of Coleman from back in the day. Hairy fella, weren't he?)
This is relevant because among his many deeply-held principles, Coleman is Firmly Against the Demon Weed:
I oppose the legalization of marijuana because, as noted by the Office of National Drug Control Policy, marijuana can have serious adverse health affects on individuals. The health problems that may occur from this highly addictive drug include short-term memory loss, anxiety, respiratory illness and a risk of lung cancer that far exceeds that of tobacco products. It would also make our transportation, schools and workplaces, just as examples, more dangerous.
Kent is skeptical, not least because he remembers Coleman singing a different tune back in his college days:
... these conservative kids don't fuck or get high like we do... Everyone watch out, the 1950s' bobby-sox generation is about to take over.
Freaky. Kent explains:
Years ago, in a lifetime far away, you did not oppose the legalization of marijuana. Years ago, in our dorm rooms at Hofstra University, you, me, Billy, your future brother-in-law, Ivan, Jonathan, Peter, Janet, Nancy and a wealth of other students smoked dope.Sure, we had to tape the doors shut, burn incense and open the windows, but we got high, and yet we grew up okay, without the help of the Office of National Drug Control Policy's advice.... We have seen more people die last year from spinach then pot. We have endured generations of drug addicts overdosing on a multitude of drugs, from heroin to crystal methamphetamine. In your public life, as an attorney general, mayor and United States senator, you have been in the forefront of speaking out against abuses which are harmful. You have been a noble and honorable public servant. How about not being such a dope on dope?
How about admitting that if the Rockefeller drug laws were applied to Norman Bruce Coleman on Long Island in 1968, or to me, or to our friends, and fellow students, you, I and others we knew and loved might just be getting out of jail now? How about recognizing that for too long too many have been wrongly arrested, unjustly prosecuted and illegally incarcerated for unconscionable periods of time?
As the kids say nowadays (when they're baked!), read the whole thing. And then, who knows, maybe you can check out Coleman's opponent in the next election -- this guy, who seems OK but unfortunately can never hope do be as amusing as the silly hippie he's running against.
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Right On Thers!!! Nice Post!
Hey Thers!
Good post for an Irishman!
The thing that is most maddening is the weighted lottery of it all. White kids use more drugs than blacks. A good reason might be access to capital. Inner city blacks though are arrested at a greater level, and their lives are basically fucked to a large extent.
How many of these drug warriors can not say but for the Grace of God so go I? Most people in this country have tried marijuana, or something stronger.
This self righteous attitude by people whose drug offenses from their youth, if combined together would give them more time in prison than many murderers has to end.
For the record, the only drug I use habitually is caffeine, and I am an addict.
Norm Coleman didn’t turn out OK. Bad argument, dude.
The War on Drugs has had the same beneficial results as the War on Poverty, GWOT, etc… Similarly, it also shows the blatant hypocrisy the Goopers display regularly, knows no bounds!!!
There’s an old saying that followed a lot of DFHs around: He/She sure cleaned up nice.
Then there’s Norm.
Coleman gives short hair a bad name.
Thanks CTuttle! Hey egregious! Slainte, Trifecta!
The dangers of quitting weed.
I presume, anyway.
CTuttle @ 8
Sorry, but the War on Poverty actually did some good things (largely erased by Ronnie and pals). The War on Drugs and the War on Terror are (a) utter failures and (b) enormously profitable boondoggles.
Long Island is truly the center of the universe.
In his dissent from the recent Bong Hits 4 Jesus decision, Justice Stevens (the oldest justice on the court, and 3rd oldest of all time) drew upon his memory of the Prohibition era (and its immediate aftermath) to compare the alcohol fundies of yore with the Warrior on Drugs today.
Shorter Stevens: We all know how well prohibition worked out.
I bet Al Franken is a stealth dirty freaking hippie. At least I hope so.
Norm Coleman quit smoking pot when he decided to become a tool. At that point he moved on to the hard stuff: the lust for money and power. Don’t forget their prime directive: iokyar.
The fact that people are being imprisoned for simply possessing or-perish the thought-inhaling the smoke of a burning plant, without violating anyone’s rights in any way, is, to me, fundamentally irrational.
Thers @ 9
This Bong hit is for you, Thers! Kaff,Kaff!!! Some serious shit, Dude!!! ;-) (PS-I live in HI!)
Lex mala lex nulla
“A bad law is no law”.
Dana Rohrbacher(R-CA) is another one. The stories about his youth are legion and legendary.
But, he is all responsible and stuff now, other than backing the Taliban with some pretty crappy timing.
So he used to be nermal. What happened?
He forgot the part where you’ll have three-headed babies, kids
;>)
Of course, if you want mechanisms to control society, this works:
Take a widely-participated-in activity, like speeding, or, I don’t know, smoking weed. Make it illegal-but don’t enforce the law. This encourages the development of a large class of regular users-um, speeders-which can then be arrested and incarcerated at will, in whatever numbers the Powers desire.
Repeat as necessary.
darkblack @ 20
and don’t forget male sterility.
Look at Bob Marley, fer example…….. : )
Anyone know when the debate tonight at Howard University will be broadcast - here on the left coast it is still the News Hour - thought it would be live from DC at 9 PM Eastern. Meanwhile I’ll check PBS online just it case it might be available with a live feed.
Save some for Jesus!
Hope Watertiger is having the time of her life. I can’t wait to visit Australia and meet persiflage and petedownunder and their people!
dmac, if you’re still around check the end of the last thread please.
oddmommy @ 22
Redemption Song
Sorry about how I handled your comment a couple months ago about our site. I might have mistakenly thought your…um…colorful language meant you were an unfriendly. Learning curve, possibly with positive slope.
[bowing, scraping…]
oddmommy @ 22
LOL!!! For more info on the perils of pot, here’s a blast from the past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMrzGauQJdk
ohhhhhh perfect.
my friend kramer from astofish.net provided this link:
“>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3VbSfQ3nAM
ohhhhhh perfect.
enjoy it, it did.
Great post, Thers. Good to see you back.
newspaperbrat @ 23
It’s on down here in L.A. on KCET. You’ve probably discovered the online feed by now, but if not, here it is:
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/taviss.....al/forums/
RonD @ 21
Exactly.
Also can be thought of as punishment for the ThoughtCrime of disregarding Laws, thinking things like
fake “wars” against Terra and Drugs are great because the govt can keep arresting their subjects and ruining lives indefinitely - they learned their lesson from the Cold War, when the designated Enemy everyone had to frightened of folded up and withered away, and the naive thought maybe a Democratic administration would give us a ‘Peace Dividend’.
yeah right.
revdeb, i left you one at last thread at 86, so, did yousee it?????
a VERY short float-by posting from a seriously under the weather Spook:
Wacht Am Potomac Is Up!
Now for bed, with lots of painkillers. (bad fall today, no broken bones, but lots of aches and pains.)
dmac @ 33
yes, see my 89. and Thanks!
CTuttle @ 16
And believe me, them Island kine buds are PRIMO Bra!
Thank you kindly.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 34
Sorry to hear that AK. I’m still finding hope in your posting a week and a half ago.
Get better soon!
I think it is time to make the war on drugs an issue, Ask the Bush mis-administration why Afghanistan is having another record poppy crop while we and NATO are supposedly fighting a way against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Can’t they do anything right?
Meanwhile back on the home front Dallas is paying the price for this inept occupation of Afghanistan. Cheese heroin also known as starter heroin is a mixture of heroin and Tylenol PM and sells for two dollars a hit. It is marketed to middle schools and has taken it’s toll in both addiction and deaths.
Wiki has a good primer on these sad story and there was substantial coverage in the local media.
Um, is that to me? I have no memory of such an event, but perhaps I was “Tokin’ a Norm” and it just slipped by me…
Hey, Thers, you with the stars in your eyes…
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
All the best wishes for an impossibly fast recovery, Alfred K!
sporkovat @ 32
Considering we have the largest population of incarcerated individuals, in the world! With more than half of them being incarcerated for drug related offenses, it would behoove us to consider realistic alternatives to incarceration!
Hey, Thers! Damn, I was just over at your place reading about the new addition to your household and thinking what a great guy you are. Then I came back over here to see what’s up and, like, whoa, dude. You’re all, like, here and shit.
Marijuana legalization would, I fear, be too late for me, since I now abstain from all intoxicants. Still, it would be good for the rest of the nation, I suspect.
oddmommy @ 22
And…and…It leads to the ‘hard stuff’.
Yes, that’s right…the ‘hard stuff’.
Why, Jefferson and Washington would roll over in their graves if they could see these ‘flower children’ using ‘hemp’ in their daily lives, polluting America’s precious bodily fluids.
;>).
Alfred Kelgarries @ 34
Ouch! Aloha AK,I feel for Ya! Did you see my comment to you?
TRex @ 44
Thers isn’t so great. He’s just showing off by doing decent things.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 34
Aw, you poor guy. What did you fall from? Or did you trip over something?
Have you soaked in a hot bath? Good for injured tissues, leeches the lactic acid out of the hurt muscles.
Thers #40,
No longer should marijuana be weed, pot, etc,. It should henceforth be known, in all its forms, to all in the Cannibas Nation and allies as “Norm”. As in, per your example:
Smoking a Norm.
Rolling a Norm.
Packing a Norm.
etc.
I think that when you snuff the republican snuff, brain cells die.
Alfred, hope you feel better tomorrow. Good night.
Maybe Hawaii is the place I should visit! *g*
I am a juke-box hero!
Hi Loo Hoo!
revdeb-left you a comment at 92 in last thread, you immortal being.
JugOPunch @ 50
Only if it’s atop an exotic entertainer’s glutes.
;>)
CTuttle,
But the privatization of prisons is a growth industry. There’s no way the Goopers are going to not promote that and keep those campaign $$ coming in.
Loo Hoo. @ 52
I think I’ve commented once or twice, about the attributes of Paradise!!! *g*
RonD @ 49
Chronically
RevDeb @ 57
Doh! Silly me!!! ;-)
Just helping out for mi amiga aguatigre.
The new addition… well, you know? She’s here, she’s queer, we’re getting used to it. What are you gonna do? She’s a good kid and she needs a place. Her om is a real piece of work, apparently.
Hello, RonD. Mom and dad taught you well, Ron. Where were you raised?
dmac @ 55
I’m having an aw shucks moment (blushes). Thanks. But seriously it’s a calling, not so much a choice. At least it feels that way.
alfred-
epsom salts soaking or
magnesium taken orally…..
either one, helps soft tissue issues.
Her “mom is a real piece of work.” Her mantra is I assume in good working order.
Loo Hoo. @ 52
Oh yes!
Not long after I got to the islands as a GI, my Chief put me up for Airman of the month for the squadron. In the next two weeks, I met with three different boards of senior enlisted (E-8s & 9s) for Airman of the Month, Squadron Airman of the Quarter and base Airman of the Quarter. About an hour before each of the boards, I shared a little puff puff pass with my friends. Relaxed me and focused the mind. I wound up winning all three awards. Then they told me to get a haircut as I didn’t look like THEIR ideas of an outstanding Airman…
Frank33 @ 59
Bonging a Norm for Jesus!!! *g*
Why thank you…Raised in central FL, Loo Hoo, and still there. Contemplating a future move. Somewhere a little less…paved.
Here in upstate NY there are whole towns with no other economy but the prisons. It’s one of the reasons upstate NY used to be solid GOP.
Moral: Outstanding Airman have no hair, man.
Duuuuudddde, suggestion for a subtitle
“Bonghits 4 Coleman”
Oh, and watertiger needs to watch out for these people [youtube. Watch it all the way through]
RonD @ 49
My vote goes to renaming when one takes an overly big bong hit, and coughs out all the smoke in an apoplectic display before one’s stupified friends at the party as a ‘Coleman’.
;>)
Ken Doll *is* the *shrimp* if you dare to venture a look…
somehow Forrest Gump never did bridge the culture gap on the topic of shrimp with those endearing Aussies.
Ohhhh, was there a debate?
CTuttle @ 67
See Thers! I saved a Norm for Jesus!!! :P
Watertiger is armed with a camera… …beware, Mel Gibson!
Thers @ 69
Mario Cuomo’s legacy…
I used to live in Rome, NY and Oneida County has iirc, 5 correctional facilities. My old phone number was at one time the number for Oneida. After I had had the number for over two years, I discovered the central state switchboard in albany was still giving it out as Oneida’s number. Turns out the law enforcement directory that Verizon published also had it wrong so I received wrong numbers for the entire time I lived up there.
darkblack @ 56
Hey, DB! Tonight’s Late Nite features one of your images. You should come by!
Loo Hoo. @ 70
Well, I did have little bit back then. But they also didn’t like my ’stache either. AF regs meant Hitler style and I was always pushing the boundaries on that one.
revdeb at 63:
i wish you knew how much i know of what you do, what you have to do in your daily life, and in what high regard i hold you………you do it girl, so keep on, and people like me will keep on hopin’ you do…….really. even though i parted from the methodist church, i still know the battle that goes on……….and you’re doin’ it…….hands on…
you have my faith.you have my strength to fight it. keep on sendin’ messages that need to be heard. keep on finding things in yourself that lend a message. keep on finding things to lend to others that make them want to lead and get up in the morning…..keep on doing it………love, dayna.
Watch out! The game is rigged.
In any case GW wins.
Just my opinion?
darkblack @ 72
Brilliant. Your next photo?
darkblack @ 45
Funny, though, I hardly ever see marijuana called a “gateway drug” anymore. I wonder if the Cow-Box Computer people got that nickname stamped out.
TRex @ 77
‘Images’?… Moi?
;>)
But of course, dear boy.
Hey, Thers, can you give me a link to your punch-line that inspired the cartoon?
TRex @ 77
Enough already, time to go play.
“>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3VbSfQ3nAM
am posting it again, because it was hilarious…….
rock hudson and bea arthur……singin’ about comparing drugs…..in the 70’s…….
TRex, have you decided whether you’re going to YearlyKos? Is anyone else on this thread going? A friend was planning to go with me and just cancelled…
dmac,
Hope to see you in the pews one of these days.
Peace.
Loo Hoo. @ 81
One never knows
;>)
TeddySanFran @ 82
‘Dude, you’re harshing my trademark’
;>)
My only encounter with Norm Coleman came years ago when he was mayor of St Paul. It was at an outdoor concert by NRBQ in downtown St Paul and Coleman showed up and worked his way through the crowd. It’s the only time I ever shook hands with someone and immediately felt the need for a disinfecting shower.
Still can’t believe he managed to get elected senator here.
LooHoo,
I’m registered and have a room reserved. The rest depends on my house hunting dilemma. I’m supposed to be moved to PA by mid-August. Oy.
CTuttle @ 58
… something about a Marley LoveFest in Feb. ‘09, IIRC !!! *g*
I don’t know if anyone watched the PBS/Howard University debate, which is ending now, but it was the best debate yet. Excellent and polite moderation, thoughtful and intelligent questioners, and a lively enthusiastic audience.
Although Mike Gravel just used his last 15 seconds to say that no one else on the stage has any moral judgment. He did get hollered at for that, though!
dakine01 @ 78
I’ve had similar experiences with my ’stache too, I’ve had it cut off twice; 1)Basic/AIT and 2) When a Command Sergeant Major watched me shave it off, He wanted to do it himself! Those were my only hirsute moments!
I should hope the Savior will be mellow at the time of the second coming…
would love to go, but highly unlikely for me.
Thers @ 53
Thers a place for us,
somewhere a place for us…
So, RevDeb, you found a house? I remember you found one and decided against it.
Moving is absolutely no fun…
Why is everything underlined?
Petrocelli @ 92
Mi Casa, Su Casa!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 94
Only time that I’ve been without ’stache since age 18 was basic. I haven’t touched it with scissors or blade in 25 years.
Twain @ 99
NEVERMIND !
TeddySanFran @ 82
FYI, Ayatollah Khomeini approved of smoking weed …
Twain @ 99
Because it’s especially important! *G*
Loo Hoo. @ 98
No house yet. Spouse nixed the deal on the other one. I didn’t protest loudly though now . . . . . oh well.
Loo Hoo. @ 87
Yes, I am going. I had to borrow some money from a friend to make it happen, but I will be there.
Can’t wait.
Twain @ 99
refresh from the top of the page. It’ll go away.
Teddy, I missed the debate. Anything explosive?
CTuttle @ 100
Who needs a house in Paradise?
… will you share your bong is what I wanna know … *g*
I want to hand deliver your B-day, gift TRex. Hope there is a FDL round-up!
Oh, and Thers, I want to play the lead in your Rock Opera. I know from apostrophes, baby.
Although my pectorals (such as they are) do not sparkle on their own. Nor is my hair feathered.
dakine01 @ 101
Similarly, But that CSM demanded it of all NCOs whom worked in the Div. Toc! Fortunately, He was relieved a month later!!! *g*
rev deb at 88
keep it keepin’ on, girl….what you are able to do week after week amazes me……..i’m on the fringe doin’ the same as i would if i was in the pews…….
meanwhile, watch this you tube
‘
a friend sent it to me…….my, how things change……..and remain the same……..
“>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3VbSfQ3nAM
rev deb at 88
As a medical marijuana user, I am glad to live in Canada where we have a more liberal attitude towards pot. It’s shameful that Americans in need are denied a safe effective drug and forced to look to big pharma for an often inferior alternative.
Anyone know what the purpose of “poke” is on FB?