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		<title>By: ggb</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-785133</link>
		<dc:creator>ggb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What does it matter if the new baby gets sick?  These crooks are so rich, they’ll be treated privately somewhere.  Cheney has broken every trick in the book, I am sure he’ll come up with people in the medical profession who will take care of his offspring for a few taxpayer dollars under the table, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, I am Dick and don’t worry, I’ll cover the tracks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it matter if the new baby gets sick?  These crooks are so rich, they’ll be treated privately somewhere.  Cheney has broken every trick in the book, I am sure he’ll come up with people in the medical profession who will take care of his offspring for a few taxpayer dollars under the table, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, I am Dick and don’t worry, I’ll cover the tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Andresen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784951</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Andresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rats in the whitehouse: somebody call an exterminator!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Rats in the whitehouse: somebody call an exterminator!</b></p>
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		<title>By: HumboldtBlue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784788</link>
		<dc:creator>HumboldtBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My pleasure Adie, you should find an archive of Driscoll’s writing on the subject as well, and seeing as though I just got off the phone with him, feel free to email him at &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:jdriscoll@times-standard.com&quot;&gt;jdriscoll@times-standard.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure Adie, you should find an archive of Driscoll’s writing on the subject as well, and seeing as though I just got off the phone with him, feel free to email him at <a href="mailto:jdriscoll@times-standard.com">jdriscoll@times-standard.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784736</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-784714&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HumboldtBlue @ 144&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you want a damned good local authoritative voice on the subject, check the local paper the Times-Standard, and read the work done by local enviro writer John Driscoll. He reported on the latest bad news last Thursday, and the mantra up here (’cept for the farmers) is get rid of the goddamned damns.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you.  I’ll give it a look, &amp; a bookmark ;-&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-784714"><em>HumboldtBlue @ 144</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>If you want a damned good local authoritative voice on the subject, check the local paper the Times-Standard, and read the work done by local enviro writer John Driscoll. He reported on the latest bad news last Thursday, and the mantra up here (’cept for the farmers) is get rid of the goddamned damns.</p>
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<p>Thank you.  I’ll give it a look, &amp; a bookmark ;-&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Markman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784719</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Markman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-784487&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @ 4&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
Note to Cheney,&lt;br /&gt;
We don’t care much for your kind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His kind? You mean there are more out there where he came from?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-784487"><em>Bustednuckles @ 4</em></a></p>
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Note to Cheney,<br />
We don’t care much for your kind.</p></blockquote>
<p>His kind? You mean there are more out there where he came from?</p>
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		<title>By: HumboldtBlue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784716</link>
		<dc:creator>HumboldtBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.times-standard.com&quot;&gt;http://www.times-standard.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.times-standard.com">http://www.times-standard.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: HumboldtBlue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784714</link>
		<dc:creator>HumboldtBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you want a damned good local authoritative voice on the subject, check the local paper the Times-Standard, and read the work done by local enviro writer John Driscoll. He reported on the latest bad news last Thursday, and the mantra up here (’cept for the farmers) is get rid of the goddamned damns.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a damned good local authoritative voice on the subject, check the local paper the Times-Standard, and read the work done by local enviro writer John Driscoll. He reported on the latest bad news last Thursday, and the mantra up here (’cept for the farmers) is get rid of the goddamned damns.</p>
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		<title>By: grape_crush</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784710</link>
		<dc:creator>grape_crush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If Dick Cheney doesn’t stand up and say “no” to this, he thinks as much of that baby as he does Klamath River salmon.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney prolly thinks that either would be good broiled with some fresh dill and a spray of lemon…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If Dick Cheney doesn’t stand up and say “no” to this, he thinks as much of that baby as he does Klamath River salmon.</em></p>
<p>Cheney prolly thinks that either would be good broiled with some fresh dill and a spray of lemon…</p>
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		<title>By: HumboldtBlue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784706</link>
		<dc:creator>HumboldtBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here in Northern California (easily differentiated by those with a map from the bay area, 300 miles to the south, otherwise known as central California) we have just received more bad news about the Klamath. The warning level is now yellow (not to be confused with the silly terror alert symbols) which means we are about 10 to 15 degrees in water temperature away from another mammoth fish kill such as witnessed in 2002.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last month, our local Rep, Mike Thompson pushed through a 60-million dollar relief package for north coast fisherman and related businesses, but there is no guarantee it will help. Just north of us in Curry County Oregon, with a much smaller tax base and population, they, at one point, laid of the whole sheriff’s department because Congress couldn’t get timber and fishing relief funds through. Now they will have five full-time Sheriff’s deputies to patrol the roads, the waterways and the mountains, as opposed to the 22 full-time employees they had.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Dick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Northern California (easily differentiated by those with a map from the bay area, 300 miles to the south, otherwise known as central California) we have just received more bad news about the Klamath. The warning level is now yellow (not to be confused with the silly terror alert symbols) which means we are about 10 to 15 degrees in water temperature away from another mammoth fish kill such as witnessed in 2002.</p>
<p>Last month, our local Rep, Mike Thompson pushed through a 60-million dollar relief package for north coast fisherman and related businesses, but there is no guarantee it will help. Just north of us in Curry County Oregon, with a much smaller tax base and population, they, at one point, laid of the whole sheriff’s department because Congress couldn’t get timber and fishing relief funds through. Now they will have five full-time Sheriff’s deputies to patrol the roads, the waterways and the mountains, as opposed to the 22 full-time employees they had.</p>
<p>Thanks Dick.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/27/throw-the-baby-under-the-fundie-bus/#comment-784707</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-784644&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TheOtherWA @ 126&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Adie @ 66&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Might want to try to dig up estimates on whether the population will even survive.&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t they migrate out to sea for a few years, then return to spawn. I.e., the true extent of the damage might be even bigger down the road than the initial die-off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry it took so long to respond, I was interrupted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, they go out to sea for 4 years, which is why the fishing off northern CA was essentially shut down in 2006, 4 years after the fish kill. It’s getting better, but it will be a long time before the fish numbers are back to normal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry right back at-ya.  I confess.  I’m terribly erratic on these threads, myself - trading off to sweet hubby to do his stuff on the toobz, dashing out to tend our veg. garden until I get too hot &amp; have to retreat inside, yaddah yaddah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks much for the details.  I knew only that it was a nasty situation, but was under the impression that different species preferred different rivers &amp; returned to their “home” river to spawn, had different time-cycles for breeding, etc. etc., but didn’t know the specs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I should go do some googling on the subject so I know at least a bit more than I do now.*blush*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re in OH, about as far as you can get from the problem, and still we remember the brouhaha over diverting the water, KNOWING that there would be a horrible effect on the salmon and so many other living things - seemingly all done to “buy” the votes of the farm lobby.  It just boggled our minds, and still does.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-784644"><em>TheOtherWA @ 126</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Adie @ 66
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<blockquote><p>Might want to try to dig up estimates on whether the population will even survive.<br />
Don’t they migrate out to sea for a few years, then return to spawn. I.e., the true extent of the damage might be even bigger down the road than the initial die-off.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Sorry it took so long to respond, I was interrupted.</p>
<p>Yes, they go out to sea for 4 years, which is why the fishing off northern CA was essentially shut down in 2006, 4 years after the fish kill. It’s getting better, but it will be a long time before the fish numbers are back to normal.</p>
<p>Sorry right back at-ya.  I confess.  I’m terribly erratic on these threads, myself &#8211; trading off to sweet hubby to do his stuff on the toobz, dashing out to tend our veg. garden until I get too hot &amp; have to retreat inside, yaddah yaddah.</p>
<p>Thanks much for the details.  I knew only that it was a nasty situation, but was under the impression that different species preferred different rivers &amp; returned to their “home” river to spawn, had different time-cycles for breeding, etc. etc., but didn’t know the specs.</p>
<p>I should go do some googling on the subject so I know at least a bit more than I do now.*blush*</p>
<p>We’re in OH, about as far as you can get from the problem, and still we remember the brouhaha over diverting the water, KNOWING that there would be a horrible effect on the salmon and so many other living things &#8211; seemingly all done to “buy” the votes of the farm lobby.  It just boggled our minds, and still does.</p>
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