If you’re confused about the health of constitutional government in America these days, all you need to do is follow recent events in Washington. Here’s a quick sampling of headlines:
Cheney World’s Truly Unique Despot If I were a law student taking the bar exam (and not one of those worse-than-1st-year-students Cheneyites (h/t Selise) who write letters to D.C. judges), and there was a Constitutional law question about the limits of executive authority, do you think I’d get any credit for arguing that the Vice President is not subject to the laws that apply to the executive branch, especially when functioning as a shadow President? Probably not, but apparently David Addington, who gives our VP legal advice, thinks that argument will sell.
No Hitting on Jesus If a student attends a parade and holds up a banner that says, “Bong hits for Jesus,” do you think the student’s First Amendment rights to free speech would protect him from being punished by his school’s principal? Well, the Supreme Court, voting 6-3, just said “no; we know you’re advocating drug use and you don’t have that right.” The real reason? I suspect our mostly conservative Christian court was offended by a student associating assumed drug terms with Jesus. Do you honestly think that if the student’s banner had said, “Buddha makes me high,” any one would have cared?
Supremes: Okay for White House to Fund Right Wing Caliphate If Congress passed a statute that directed an agency to allocate monies to faith-based groups to carry out religious activities, do you think the Supreme Court should allow tax payers standing to sue to prevent violations of the 1st Amendment “establishment clause” that prevents the government from supporting religion? Well, almost 40 years ago, a more honorable Supreme Court said “yes, tax payers can sue” in Flast v. Cohen, because there’s no other effective way for Americans to ensure their government doesn’t start drifting towards a theocracy. But what if, forty years later, Congress passed general appropriations for the White House, and the White House set up an office that used those monies to pay off faith based organizations for the same activities? — well the Court’s 5-4 conservative religious majority just said, “No Problem,” and “you can’t sue to stop it,” while claiming that they weren’t really overturning the 40 year old precedent. Hello, Iran, and thank you Gang of 14.
CIA: “If You Think This Was Bad, Wait Till You Find Out What We’re Doing Now” I suppose it’s a good thing that the CIA released its no-longer secret “Family Ghouls” from 35 years ago, admitting how it plotted to assassinate foreign leaders, overthrow governments and illegally spied on ordinary Americans. But it’s a real bummer when you realize that what our government is doing today is likely just as bad or worse, and they’re still denying that.
Bush Not Told Cheney Replaced Him Suppose you’re President of the United States, and your Vice President does every thing he can to usurp your authority, mislead and cut out your cabinet officers, places moles and VP loyalists in every executive entity/agency to make sure you never get direct advice from anyone without the Vice President knowing about it first and, as emptywheel notes, uses every means he can as a “gatekeeping device to direct Bush to make the choices Cheney supports.” Would you tolerate it for one minute? Well, if you’re an incompetent, clueless idiot, you would.
Cheney Slaughters 77,000 Salmon In the WaPo’s fourth article in its series, “Who’s Your Daddy,” they reveal that the Vice President used the executive’s power to intervene in government agencies like EPA or Department of Interior to undermine laws to protect the environment and the nation’s resources, and then when the interventions resulted in policy failures or were struck down by the courts, he got the agency heads fired and covered up his interventions. A regular Mr. Courageous. [Update: emptywheel has an excellent must-read analysis of the 4th WaPo article, read together with another piece from Rolling Stone.]
Bush Found In Iraq Spider Hole Playing With Firecracker We all know the VP’s cabal encouraged the President to engage in a war on false pretenses, got 150,000 of our troops bogged down in the Middle East with no acceptable way out, got 3500 of them killed and another 26,000 wounded. And we knew the Vice President got the President to sign, without the knowledge of the Attorney General or the Secretary of State or the National Security Adviser, orders that authorized torture, kidnapping and indefinite detention measures that caused universal condemnation, became a disgrace for America, and made virtually unlimited claims of executive power that got repeatedly knocked down by even the nation’s conservative courts. So you think Congress will just sit back and not even consider using the constitutional mechanism designed by the Founders to deal with such outrageous misconduct in office? Well . . . ?
Cheney Establishes Royal Blood Line But this one takes the cake. As Christy noted, emptywheel has figured out the line of shadow President succession, just in case Cheney decides to go even further underground.
This is not America any more, my friends. Not even close. It’s a country that’s gone mad, lost its moral compass, and lost all sense of self respect. But maybe there’s hope . . .
The first step in getting our country back? Please make calls to restore habeas corpus:
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
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zunoed?
I just let you have it!
And what’s the DOJ doing about all this? Endorsing it!
Impeach Gonzo.
Scarecrow – I went to bow down in honor of your snark but I hit my head on my desk. Still I’m in absolute awe of your writing.
Is this defunding thing going to happen? Will it really make any difference?
My favorite wanketorial today is Michael “Mushroom Cloud” Gerson acting like an impartial observer of the Iraq War mess
I thought it was rover that was responsible for the salmon slaughter but it was really cheney?
Cheney just wanted to have Salmon Roe to help Mary have a baby.
Attaturk @ 6
Yeah, I read that. What a bunch of crap. He’s been wrong on everything about Iraq so far, but we’re supposed to believe his dire predictions about what might happen if we withdraw our troops now?
The truth is that pulling the troops out wouldn’t make that much of difference because the troops are all in their compounds anyway. It’s not like they’re intermingling with the population. It could be done in a few days. There may be chaos, but there may not be too.
Scarecrow asks:
Actually, they probably would complain as it would:
A) Be a “drug” reference and
B) Advocate for an unapproved religion
I say again in relation to Cheney resigining, that Freddie may be nominated but will NOT be approved by the House and Senate. I just cannot see the Dems OR the Rs like McCain, Brownback, and Tancredo giving Freddie a leg up or giving ANYONE else a leg up to the presidency. I still contend that any replacement for Cheney, should he resign, will be a compromise choice that will be nominated and approved after being forced to swear that s/he does NOT have any designs on the office in ‘08.
My $.02
lisadawn82 @ 4
i don’t know how he does it, but he just keeps getting better!
you too! i love the image of the inadvertant desk head bang.
I think the students should have had a sign saying No bong hits for Scalia
dakine01 @ 10
Actually, they probably would complain as it would:
A) Be a “drug” reference and
B) Advocate for an unapproved religion
I say again in relation to Cheney resigining, that Freddie may be nominated but will NOT be approved by the House and Senate. I just cannot see the Dems OR the Rs like McCain, Brownback, and Tancredo giving Freddie a leg up or giving ANYONE else a leg up to the presidency. I still contend that any replacement for Cheney, should he resign, will be a compromise choice that will be nominated and approved after being forced to swear that s/he does NOT have any designs on the office in ‘08.
My $.02
Two words on the Thompson/VP thing: recess appointment. It’s unthinkable, which is exactly why Bush would do it.
Cheney will not resign. You’ve got to be kidding. He’s only got a year and a half left. So much more evil to do.
GeorgeSimian @ 14
I agree. I don’t see Fred wanting to bomb Iran while running for President.
dakine01 @ 10
Actually, they probably would complain as it would:
A) Be a “drug” reference and
B) Advocate for an unapproved religion
I say again in relation to Cheney resigining, that Freddie may be nominated but will NOT be approved by the House and Senate. I just cannot see the Dems OR the Rs like McCain, Brownback, and Tancredo giving Freddie a leg up or giving ANYONE else a leg up to the presidency. I still contend that any replacement for Cheney, should he resign, will be a compromise choice that will be nominated and approved after being forced to swear that s/he does NOT have any designs on the office in ‘08.
My $.02
I used to think they’d move Condi over to the VP slot; now I think maybe Negroponte would be the choice. As much as we’ve learned in the Post’s 4-part series, there are mountains — not just rocks — covering up other vice-presidential nonsense. He’d like to stay on, but I think he’ll resign from active duty for “health reasons” while keeping his seat on the various agencies he’s not really accountable for but makes all the directives on….before handing the pen over to the Decider.
How’s it going Selise? What are you up to lately? I’m buried under work again this summer. The only thing worse than work itself is the soup that I have to travel through to get to my little desk in a windowless office.
Attaturk @ 6
Better submit that to the big A; wouldn’t want such fine work to go unnoticed.
Besides Cheney can’t resign as he’s not really Vice President, and only exists as a state of mind.
Wow, that jokes getting stale already! He only says this stuff because he knows he can. He’s totally smug. I wish Congress would step up to the plate and take some of his power away, but I’m beginning to think it won’t happen.
ironranger @ 7
Details are in today’s part 4 of WaPo’s series on Cheney. We’ll probably see more on that today.
dakine01 @ 10
Whole heartedly agree. I would well imagine that one of poppy’s old guard, Baker? could get approved. If there is a time lapse between cheney’s fortutitous and fatal heart attack (Bill Casey!) does Nancy preside over the Senate? She could be Speaker and Senate President all at the same time…. eat that Hillary!!
PS Yet again a wonderful piece Scarecrow. It occurs to me that your posts will soon run to multiple pages if the transgressions continue at this pace.
lisadawn82 @ 17
hope you at least have air conditioning!
i’m freaking out about iran (h.con.r.21, s.970, and “Iran fuel rations spark violence“)
nomolos @ 21
Senate President Pro Tem presides over the Senate if VP is unavailable. Usually the ranking member in seniority from the majority party; in this case, it would be Robert Byrd. President Pro Tem is also just behind Speaker in the line of succession.
My guess for a possible VP has been Alan Simpson
Could it be? I agree with Mornin’ Joe.
“I blame the Republican party.”
nomolos @ 22
We’re only allowed so many awful stories between Saturday’s funnies with Bob Geiger. Keeping our balance is important.
I wonder what would happen if we all hung “Bong hits for Jesus” banners around the country, like the Freeway Blogger does the Impeach banners.
nomolos @ 22
speaking of transgressions and multiple pages… hugh’s list of bush scandals is now up to 199, and over 30 pages. scarecrow can’t use them all in one post.
A question, If Congress, in its wisdom, were to impeach Scooter Irve using his conviction, could “W”aistral occupying the “W”hitehouse be able to pardon the lying obstructionist ever after?
It would be like shooting fish in a barrel and the political position it would place the Re:fascists with the upcomming election is a true hardspot to be caught on record about.
Would it not remove as a bonus, his participation in any future administration?
For those of you who’ve had your coffee, can you find a good link in FDL or from Marcy for the amicus brief filed by the worse than 1st year students. I want to put that in, but just couldn’t find the right link.
dakine01 @ 24
Yep, I agree. He certainly would not be interested in the Pres thingy in ‘08 and I do believe that he would excerise some parental control over the chimp. I also think that he might have something to say about the shenanigans that Gonzo is up to. Yep he could be an OK choice
kinmo @ 27
we’d all get 10 day suspensions from our local high school principal
JF @ 13
Could not happen as the 25th Amendment is specific in that the new VP HAS to be approved by majorities of both houses and does not take office until that has been done.
kinmo @ 27
I think it’s my duty as an [inactive] officer of the court to report you to your principal.
selise @ 32
… where we’d likely be joined by the Presidential Scholars who had the audacity to question the administration’s torture practice.
Other Pat @ 35
And the 16 year old who had the audacity to quote BillO’s book back at him and call him out as an idiot and a liar. BillO called him a pinhead for his troubles.
How f*cking depressing.
damn
dakine01 @ 10
3 R votes against? I can’t see how you could get all the Ds to vote no – they would be tarred & feathered by the media if they did. The Rs know that the only chance of holding on to anything is if a popular (Freddie) candidate can campaign as an incumbent. I don’t even think Cheney will fight it.
notableabsence @ 37
Make some phone calls. It will make you feel better. Just a suggestion.
Good morning Scarecrow.
Another fine analysis. Have I told you lately how much I value your writing? You help me understand this stuff so much better. Thank you for all that you do.
What about Lugar as VP?
Scarecrow @ 30
marcy on amici brief
OT but live from the small island.
Tony Blair has gone! He left Buckingham Palace about five minutes ago. Gordon Brown has just gone in. A strange contrast. Your President is inaugurated in front of thousands and with the eyes of the whole country on him through tv. Here, Gordon goes into the Palace and the nation gets to look at aerial views of the roof while it all happens in private. A stark reminder of how different things are. Off to watch him come out and pray for a better leader.
egregious @ 41
I’ve been thinking we need Super Nanny.
Scarecrow @ 30
no sure exactly what you’re looking for…but here’s a good one from a marcy post at fdl. and here’s a specific one from marcy at TNH.
Scarecrow @ 44
Well, I’m busy but perhaps I can clear my schedule for something that important.
Scarecrow, you’ve itemized how our country has been *ucked by this adm very succintly.
Marie Roget @ 42
Sorry — should have been clearer. I want something like Marcy’s snark when the Judge mocked the brief as something he wouldn’t accept from 1st year students. But thanks for find that; it goes in the important archives shelf.
The ONLY way the public and MSM is going to wake up to any of this shit is if the DC Madam starts naming names. We are now a nation of junior high kids.
selise @ 45
Bingo! you win the prize. Today’s prize is . . . uh . . . 30 second head start on the next zed. Congratulations, and thanks Selise. Refresh.
Cheney’s perception of the Vice-President’s role is so contemptuous of anyone’s intelligence it is akin to a spit in the eye. What to do when someone spits in your eye?
To be sure, I have a paranoid view of things. I believe Ben Franklin’s dicta that we hang together or hang separately, but on the other hand, perhaps the evil one will resign. (If you believe that I’ve a bridge in Brooklyn you can have cheap) In which case we wipe off the spit and go on with our lives.
I don’t know the future and neither do you. I expect the worst but maybe telephone calls will do the trick. I hope so.
Chetnolian @ 43
ESPN covered his departure during the Wimbledon match.
Scarecrow @ 48
Well, no coffee yet for me, although it’s brewin’ ;-)
BTW, got the link from Anonymous Liberal’s post on it, which includes Walton’s mocking footnote:
The World’s Strangest Amicus Brief
egregious @ 46
Best idea of the day. Egregious replaces egregious VP. Bush sent to room without supper. Still wimpering.
Marcy:
“Ouch! You think maybe he didn’t appreciate the heavy-handed intervention into his case? You think maybe he didn’t appreciate having 12 fancy lawyers suggest he can’t make his own decision in this matter?”
Linky
Marie Roget @ 53
Yes. That’s a good one too. But today is national “link to Marcy” day. Check your calendars.
GordonM @ 38
I use the three Rs as an example of WHY both Ds and Rs would not go for Freddie. I remember Nixon appointing Ford and most folks understood the likelihood at the time that Ford would become President. But Ford was picked mainly for his confirmability. The appointmet of a replacement VP is a pollitical act in an election year. Even the most clueless Dem has an idea that Dems can very well take the Presidency in ‘08 as well as increase majorities in the House and Senate. And even the most clueless Dem is aware enough to NOT give the media darling immediate front runner status by making him the VP and presumptive heir to the office.
Thanks for this great post, Scarecrow. After reading it, one wants to agree with notableabsence @ 37: “How f*cking depressing.
damn.”
On the other hand, just the fact that one can come to this site and learn so much, as well as communicate with so many people who obviously care about the good of the country — well, that’s kind of uplifting, no?
-MS
just woke up, cuppa coffe while reading, good read too scarecrow
you make a great point and I don’t think it should end as a point I think it needs to end with the actual action suggested;
well, why don’t we create a law that benefits only democrats in one of the blue states, and have a standing citiszen file against that law?
then let it be known it is specidfically to challenge the ethicacy and objectivness of the supreme court and let it be known a case is being compiled to remove those that are unethical from their chair.
that word “unethical” has to be used too
now to craft a law that is on point and benefits only democrats
ianal but there are some here at the lake and I hope you guys can ocme up with something
someone made a point yesterday that the person who presides over any impeachment is cheney…unless it is an impeachment of the presidency
cheney has very selective interpretation of law and he will find a way to dismiss ANY impeachment, he will even refuse to recuse himself in an impeachment against himself
this I guarantee by the way, just like I guaranteed they could not afford to “resign” abu torture even when everyone was saying his resignation was just a matter of time
[hat tip to lou costello for the analogy to follow]
these guys are in “cornered animal mode” and they are insane, insane with greed, insane with power, insane with guilt, insane with guile
they will get even MORE brazen if you can imagine THAT, and they will do whatever it takes to keep the reigns of power
let me point something out nobody has brought up before
they THOUGHT they controlled the election process and they THOUGHT their neo fascist would ALWAYS be at the helm keeping them in power so it didn’t matter if there were elections because they would always have control
THAT HAS ALL CHANGED
they can see the writing on the wall, they KNOW they will be removed and investigated IF there is another election
that means they can’t afford to let loose with the reigns of power
I am thinking the worst and something will happen for the president to suspend the constitution, suspend elections…blackwatater will be the military arm that protects them too.
I think this gets ugly
someone’s post has broken the margins and I hope a moderator can find it and fix the problem
mornin’ scarecrow. so glad you included that last link to the NYT piece on the younger generation leaning left. was just about to pack my bags. just kidding. we’ve got a lot of work to do over the next 18 months to prevent more Cheney-inspired catastrophes and then put the pieces of our country back together after the Dems take over. we just have to hope we don’t need tweezers by then!
How about this scenario? Bush pardons Cheney right before leaving office, then resigns, leaving Cheney as President for a few days – just long enough to pardon Bush. A pardon orgy!
I am so glad to see that we are getting pretty good at predicting their next step. Remember the horror of being shocked by their audacity. I fear Thompson. I don’t know why for sure, but they will get behind (way behind) the face that will win. They use power to accomplish their goals and all of them get richer. My sense is that Thompson is enough of an empty suit to be controlled. They will design his candidacy like they did with Bush and get him to say whatever might make amerika (yep that’s how it feels) vote his direction. The election only needs to be close so that they can continue to play their election day games. The hbo special on voting machines and hacking showed how truly easy it was to change the vote and leave no trace. Nothing that computer programmers could find to show that it had occurred.
But if they do have Cheney step down and Thompson appointed in a recess it’s the perfect end game. It would work, I think. Because they would have him take a few popular actions and be so much more “nice” than Cheney for a couple months. I do agree that war with Iran decreases in likelihood until after he is elected pres.
Scary. It’s about power, not politics. It’s so sad that we have to figure them out, the next move. It has become the government against the american people.
Scarecrow @ 44
Somehow I don’t think Mary Poppins is quite up to the job.
Morning, Scarecrow et al.
perris @ 60
my bad, my keepboard increased text size and broke the margins on my box only, please disregard
Would Thompson get the votes from Congress to replace Cheney??
dakine01 – thus far, they’ve done a pretty good end run around the Constitution (after all it’s “just a piece of paper” per Bush). I would bet Addington, Fielding & Gonzo could come up with a way to usurp the Constitution & Congress.
perris:
Time to switch to decaf.
RevDeb @ 64
Nah, Deb. Super Nanny is the Brit lady on tv who comes in and straightens out undisciplined kids (and their parents). I hate to admit it, but I’ve watched it.
I just noticed something on Kos that caught my attention
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/27/6623/40510
Al Gore canceled his speaking engagements for six months from a person in Taiwan of all places.
Could it be good news?
ccmask @ 66
I’ll answer my own question with a yes–during recess.
Michael in PS:
On the other hand, just the fact that one can come to this site and learn so much, as well as communicate with so many people who obviously care about the good of the country — well, that’s kind of uplifting, no?
Kind of uplifting, yes. And make those calls. We need to get our country back to at least the 13th century.
The Dems could defund the OVP (or even defund the “surge”), or impeach Gonzalez, or impeach Cheney. Will they? I’m afraid not likely. Instead these paper tigers will send really angry letters and otherwise keep their powder dry.
Scarecrow, you rock.
We. must. keep. fighting.
Rahm Emanuel was on Countdown?? last night, but I was distracted. Anyone catch that?
jim oconnor @ 73
I actually don’t think it’s even possible anymore
cheney presides over all impeachments but the presidency
cheney will dismiss any impeachment in a summary judgement
even if no provision is there for summary judgement cheney makes his own law in his own head and then repeats it as if a fact
then the neo cons agree witht the new fact
Scarecrow @ 69
But did you enjoy it?
I don’t think there’s any way the dems can grow enough backbone to take back the country. I’m seeing a lot of arm waving and posturing but nothing that gives me the confidence that they are figuring out how to work the system now that they are in the MAJORITY.
Gotta see if the local independent book store has Glenn’s new one in yet so I can tear even more of my gray hair out.
jim oconnor @ 73
There’s enough dry power stored up to blow up the British Parliament. Saw that in a movie.
RevDeb @ 77
Ah, but Deb –you’re the one who always tells your congregations, “be the change.” We are the adults, and I don’t see anyone here giving up.
Hope the house hunting is working out??
ccmask @ 66
For all of those taking serious Salon-keeper Sally’s fantasies for the smoky Aqua Velva man, not gonna happen. They’re not gonna put Pelosi next in line to the President, even temporarily. That would be a terrible tactical maneuver.
I found Marcy on the first year Walton thingie from June 14:
“Walton treated the Amici Illuminati brief with even greater contempt.
Walton: With all due respect, these are intelligent people, but I would not accept this brief from a first year law student. I believe this was put out to put pressure on this court in the public sphere to rule as you wish. [Reggie pissed]”
RevDeb @ 77
Sadly, the Rev hits the bullseye again!
Scarecrow @ 79
Yeah, well, I’m not feeling very optimistic at the moment. Reading Sinclair Lewis can do that to you. Plus after a full week in Portland I came back with a bug of some kind.
And still no luck with the house hunting. Will have to find a short term apartment.
Real nice roundup, scarecrow.
I think I feel sick, but hey, that’s not your fault!
RevDeb @ 77
agreed. especially after seeing the house Ds completely roll over on iran last week. i don’t think we can count on our D congress critters. so, it’s up to us. what can we do to try to prevent an attack on iran? that one won’t wait until the 2008 elections.
Diane @ 67
If attempted it WOULD bring a whole lot of rethugs over to the impeachment side. Many of these folks have been tolerant of the incursions on Congressional prerogatives but they do have lines that they will NOT accept being crossed. This would be one of those lines. There would be significant push-back and blow back just as we see happening with the judiciary.
Believe it or not, there are still some conscientous and semi-honest politicians who do follow most of the laws as written.
Hey but there is hope for the meircan public, this just in
good morning!
thank you for all this Scarecrow, and the smiles :)
I’m dialing for IMPEACHMENT (and Habeas!)
Great post, scarecrow. I’ll add my voice to the gathering chorus of praise for your work here. Excellent stuff.
Yes, depressing. But as the commenter upstream said, FDL is a great place to reaffirm one’s belief that our country can be better. Is better. Will be better.
Pachacutec @ 84
Good morning your incaness, I mean great exalted one, . . . Uh, everyone bow down.
The “Big A” found the Gerson piece.
“Wanker of the Day.”
Forgot my manners in the a.m. fog & didn’t say good morning from L.A. & thanks for the excellent post & links, Scarecrow.
OT- for any Angelenos just getting up- Mutant Poodle let me know a couple days ago that Digby will be @ Drinking Liberally in Santa Monica this eve 7-9 p.m. Map link below to location:
Drinking Liberally @ Cock ‘n Bull Pub
Pachacutec @ 84
Good morning, Pach. Did you see the photo I sent to Christy? I hope I got your good side.
Scarecrow @ 69
We need Nanny McPhee and her magic cane.
At this point magic of any kind has a distinct edge since we are fighting some seriously ugly voodoo.
how possible will it be for the next democratic president to increase the amount of judges on the supreme court?
roosevelt made the threat and was able to get a judge to change his vote on key issues to prevent it
wiki;
even if we get an election that puts a democrat in office the supreme court is gonna come down against any law the neo cons don’t like
we’re gonna have to formualte a strategy that makes alito and roberts non issues
mc @ 93
Be careful here. In some cultures, it is not considered appropriate to take pictures of Incan Gods — one of those stealing their souls things. And the guy likes his privacy.
Part 4, AwPoo of the Cheney Saga, suggests that Christy Whitman of EPA, fought for the environment. I strongly dispute this. She has done everything she can, to pollute the Air, Water and Land. She has also lied consistently and concealed her true actions. I will try to keep this brief. Much could also be said, about her lying testimony before the Nadler Subcommittee.
This is from her resignation statement.
The response from the Polluter Guy,
Whitman told CNN,
The Polluting Branch of Government won all the battles.
I have to go visit Marcy, and you know how it is, I always stay longer than I think I will, having to read everything twice…
Oh foo. I seriously screwed up that quote, very sorry, Scarecrow, RevDeb. Think I stayed up too late last night digging around after reading that Part 4 from WaPo last night.
There is a LOT more going on besides dead salmon in Oregon. I wish I had more details to solidify my hunch. I think the call to Woolridge was part of a larger effort to manipulate the western power grid. (Warning: incidental blogwhoring.) Anybody know anything about hydroelectric generation? That might help a lot.
perris @ 95
I want to elaborate on the point made here
the supreme court at one time ALWAYS sided with the corporations point of view, they did whatever was possible to keep the states from mandating restrictions…it was a federalist based supreme court
that’s the neo cons wet dream and they put it back to the days before roosevelt, it’s gonna take some swift manuevering to get the supreme court to start advocating for the people instead of for the corporations
Those SCOTUS opinions are powerful, but there’s a lot to them that isn’t being noticed much, except in the legal blogs. Those 5-4 rulings are NOT accompanied by majority decisions. For example, in Hein v. FFRF (the religion case), three justices voted in favor of the govt. based on one set of reasons, two others agree with the result but used different reasoning, and four disagreed. The decision stands, but there’s no contolling opinion that can be used authoritatively as precedent. It’s a muddled mess, albeit with conservatives in control.
Alito.
Roberts.
Lieberman.
Channeling punaise: my contempt . . .
Now then, how do I get breakfast down?
Rayne:
Yep. We need an all-star team of dragon slayers. And I love Emma.
We -have- an allstar team of dragon slayers. Jane, Christy, Marcy, etc.
egregious @ 103
and the ever-ready swordapod!
Can Cheney really stop any impeachment because of his role in the Senate? I wouldn’t be surprised. Tell me, then I can stop obsessing about Congress impeaching Gonzo and try to accept that the coup d’etat has already happened.
Rayne @ 99
very interesting hypothesis. scarecrow might be able to give you a clue where to start.
GeorgeSimian @ 105
if you mean in normal circumstances I doubt it, however in these circumstane where he will just do it regardless of law, I absolutely believe it
No wonder Cheney is so smug. It’s not everyone who can claim to have taken over America. What was that about us being scared of the Caliphate? Was that the word?
GeorgeSimian @ 105
The coup happened in 2000, sweetie.
Bill Clinton would argue it happened earlier, but I think the coup de grace was in 2000.
GeorgeSimian @ 108
it is the greatest robery in the history of planet earth, they have stolen the treasure Iraq, stolen the investments from all of the middle class of America aquired over generations and stolen the wealth of our children and grandchildren
it is bizzare the middle class dosn’t even see what was stolen from them yet
They should rename Falluja, Cheneyland, if Halliburton ever figures it’s worth their time to rebuild it.
selise @ 106
Rayne — read your blog, and it’s interesting speculation. In our research of the California Energy crisis, I don’t recall coming across any evidence of PacificCorp deliberately withholding hydo energy to drive up prices. There was other withholding going on, some of it done by independent owners in California, some of it inadvertently influenced by PUC decisions that contributed to PG&E bankruptcy. Prices were already maxing out against price caps in the ISO spot market, so it would have been in PacificCorps’ interests to sell as much as they could — subject to whatever limits they had on downstream water flows. And they were regulated utility obligated to serve their own loads; only surplus sold to California.
I’ll be talking later today with someone who researched this pretty thoroughly, and I’ll ask. But be careful here, because most of the press reporting on that period was very confused, and some of it deliberately confused by consultants/reps for the various parties.
Scarecrow @ 75
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnb…..7/&fg=
perris @ 110
1) Middle class is too busy trying to keep roof over their heads to spend time on research;
2) MSM compounds problem by reporting crap instead of news;
3) Dumbing down of public school system by way of the NCLB initiatives improperly applied reduces drive to learn the truth (parents aren’t helping kids learn how to follow current events because it’s not part of core curriculum any longer).
There’s 3 reasons off the top of my head, I’m sure there are many more.
OK — thanks for the link to countdown
Good Morning Scarecrow, Dawgs.
Oh wow. I thot I’d get a cuppa in me 1st, then try the Lake, & see if I did better today.
Not enough caffeine in the world…
Where do we sign up? Oh yeah. We’re already here. What to do? What to do? Am I dreaming? hallucinating?
I suppose it’s nice you’ve listed all the, um, stuff in one post, scarecrow, so it’s just one huge smack in the face, rather than running into the items one by one, around random corners in the newsday, but,
-contact critters about habeas corpus – CHECK!
-buy book(S) – CHECK!
-contact critters again – CHECK CHECK CHECK!
-btw, i refuse to commend Voinowhich-a-way yet over his new new reallynew stand on the war, so that’s out (predict he’s got several more waffles in that pile of excuses he carries everywhere)(& idn’t it cute how he finds a taller fella to run interference for him every blasted time he pretends to stand up straight & be counted for sumpin – well no, not really) [CHECKed & NOTED]
-read another installment from WaPo [more cafffffeine first]
Thanks to all at the Lake. Used-ta-was, we each had to face this sorta junk “alone”.
Oh, no. I take that back.
I’ve never seen junk like this before in my 65 yrs & counting.
OMG what a mess.
…where’s my broom? manure shovel? pitchfork?
CHECK! CHECK! CHECK! *blergh*
surely epu’d. that’s fine.
GO DAWGS! RUN EM TO GROUND! HEYAHHHH!
Christy upstairs Taking on FFFH once again.
Scarecrow @ 112
Thanks, Scarecrow; it’s complicated, not at all straightforward, but that’s exactly what Enron counted on in its derivative transactions. The bulk of what Enron was doing was so murky that no one questioned it. Folks that I knew who were among the best in the financial industry could only scratch their heads at what they were doing.
Your comment, subject to whatever limits they had on downstream water flows, is exactly what concerns me. If water levels were artificially lowered by irrigation, would PacifiCorp not have the excess power to sell into the grid for California’s use, thus encouraging prices upward?
Cheney met with the Energy Task Force members, including Ken Lay of Enron, from January 2001 (within days of the Inauguration) through May 2001 when the Task Force issued its report. Angler-Part 4 only says that Woolridge received a phone call “a few months after Inauguration Day 2001″, nothing more specific, but still within range of the Energy Task Force meetings and/or report. Cheney clearly put himself in complete charge of the nation’s energy portfolio from the earliest days of the administration, possibly earlier; I need to check to see who was on the Bush/Cheney transition team with regards to energy since that may also provide a clue.
Cheney also made the call in ample time to affect the farming season in 2001 — but in concert with Enron’s increasing need for cash flows to prop up its house of cards ater the 2000 energy crisis. The timing is just too coincident; I wonder what other phone calls the man made that year under the guise of one issue while working towards another.
Scarecrow,
What do you think of Rahm Emanuel’s idea of following the Vice President’s own logic and thus, defunding the Vice President’s office in the executive branch.
I am enjoying hearing him stand up to the VP, but I am having second thoughts about this as an historical precedent of playing “chicken” between branches of government.
I’m itchin’ for the fight, but I’d like to use my head.
I really do believe that some dems would vote to approve Thompson as a new Vice President. After all, these congressional and senate dems are ‘abused-spouse’ politicians. They fear for the next ‘blow’ by Rove and are already ducking in anticipation.’
The dems are fearful of fighting the 24-hour slime machine purchased and owned wholly by the republicans.
As far as the ‘amicus’ brief by the ‘worse than 1st year law students’, I predict the three judge panel will deny any relief for scooter and shooter, but they will appeal to the full panel and there it will be given credence. So I believe.
And I am with RevDeb. I am not encouraged, at all, by the actions of our wimpy dems in Congress. And Jim Webb has effectively been silenced once he voted for the last war funding. And my own Amy Klobachar has to jump through verbal hoops to explain her vote.
no, discouragement hangs in the air re our dems. And Thompson would definitely get confirmed. IMO natch. However, we must continue to fight. Eventually the scales will tip in our direction — the only question is when and will I live to see it.
GeorgeSimian @ 105
Pending additional research, I think that he would be unable to impede trial in the Senate of an impeached civil officer.
Morning kids — good one, Scarecrow. It truly is a “through the looking glass” sort of news day today, isn’t it?
I’ve got fresh post up and running, if you’d like one.
GrandmaJ @ 120
You have to live to see it.
oops amost forgot to do this…
scarecrow and christy – cbl sends you “a big sloppy smooch“!
selise @ 124
Uh, thanks, but is there a trick for sharing those?
Rayne @ 118
re: Bush/Cheney transition team
Rayne, do you have this link?
PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH The New Administration
perris @ 76
No he doesn’t. Impeachments are done by the House of Representatives, whose presiding officer is the Speaker, Pelosi.
Should the House impeach, the trial goes to the Senate, and the person who presides over the trial is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, not Cheney.
Boston1775 @ 119
Rahm is not a serious person. I’m not in favor of creating constitutional confrontations for the mere fun of it. There is enough evidence to impeach 20 time over. That’s what the Constitution says we should do. If they have enough votes to defund the OVP, then let’s do what needs to be done.
JPL @ 12
Actually, it should read bong hits for Scalia. Who knows it might actually uncloud his thinking and help him develop some empathy.
Arnie @ 29
whilst a pardon may not be used in an impeachment case, Congress can only prevent him from ever holding a position in the Federal government and potentially eliminate any possibility of a government pension (to which Scoots may be entitled since he has over 5 years of govt. service). In the case of additional (or prior) criminal action, the President can still issue a pardon. But wouldn’t the proceedings in the Senate be FUN?!?!?! And likely lead to impeachment proceedings for Cheney (at the very least), Rove and possibly W (WPE)?
Scarecrow @ 128
gotta agree with scarecrow, again.
why distract the country from the really big issues?
Rayne YGM -FB,
it’s an open secret ;)
Scarecrow @ 30
here’s one from Marcy’s place Amicus Brief
dammit wrong thread
Rayne:
I don’t follow this. As I understand this, the issue was whether they could divert more river flows to agriculture, thus lowerin the level of a downstream lake. Real scientists said that would hurt the fish; the phony scientists who intervened said it wouldn’t. But the effect of the decision was to lower lake levels behind the dam. And upstream, to support the flows into the lake/agriculture, they’d have to increase releases from the dams, which would increase hydro production. If that happened, it would tend to lower prices, because any increased hydro production tends to displace higher-cost gas fired plants in California/Oregon, which then reduces pressure on prices.
Janda @ 129
I thought it was interesting that the conservative Christion majority thought they know what “bong hits” means. I didn’t have a clue, but then, I’m not a Christian.
selise @ 131
And the other point is, who cares what Cheney or Addington thinks about the legal status of OVP. I heard someone say that we should withhold OVP funding until Cheney decides whether he’s legislative or executive — as though somehow, he gets to choose. Gibberish.
Scarecrow @ 136
My oh so prim and proper Methodist step grandmother’s (now 104 and still going) favorite joke:
Two nuns passing by a window hear the someone telling the priest that they found a condom on the veranda. One nun asks the other “Sister, what’s a veranda?”
Brisingamen @ 127
I read yesterday the cheif justice only presides when the impeachment is of the presdient, otherwise the vp presides…Ianl but there was law quoted yesterday
Scarecrow @ 135
Think I recall seeing that PacifiCorp had 3 dams on the Klamath system; where are the dams? Likely that will make the difference depending on where the dams were located. And where were the ranchers/farmers in particular that were to benefit from the reduction — all the way back at the headwaters? or farther downstream below a dam?
I’m still digging into the PacifiCorp timeline to see if there was any chance my theory is viable. What a mess, so much convoluted inter-corporate relations. Keep in mind that this will not look like PacifiCorp made a deliberate choice to increase rates or decrease production; it will look like outside forces backed PacifiCorp into them (I’m looking for commentary about drought conditions affecting energy production).
Please make calls to restore habeas corpus
Yeah, calling up the fascists and politely asking them to give it back should work.
Realist @ 141
You got a better (and legal) idea?
He-e-e-yyy, Scarecrow! Good to see you revving up!