Federal District Court Judge Marcia Cooke has made a decision that Jose Padilla’s lawyers and others believe will cause a mistrial. At worst, should Padilla be convicted, it will be the Judge’s ruling that will play a significant role in a probable reversal by the Supreme Court, even one that has turned so sharply to the right.
While it may or may not be a legal blunder, Judge Cooke’s decision is a moral error.
Judge Cooke agreed to a prosecution request to play for the jury a 1997 CNN taped interview with Osama bin Laden. Judge Cooke excised what she said were the most inflammatory 13 minutes from the 20 minute tape, so the jury will hear only 7 minutes of this manipulative terrorist spouting his self-serving narrative. The reason for the jury to review the 7 minutes of Osama is the prosecution has taped phone conversations between two of the defendants, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi, celebrating the contents of the interview, even, according to prosecutor John Shipley, rejoicing over bin Laden’s incendiary words.
This is what is driving Padiila’s attorney, Andrew Natale a tad crazy. There is no evidence, repeat, no evidence that Padilla ever heard or saw the bin Laden interview. “How the heck can we defend against something he’s never seen, never discussed, never had anything to do with?” Natale asked. Good question.
Let’s examine the reasons why Judge Cooke’s ruling violates the idea of a “fair” trial.
1. It is unduly prejudicial.
In legalese this translates to the question — does the value of the contents outweigh the obviously harmful effects on Padilla’s case: the jury hearing from the very man who brought 9/11 to the United States, Osama bin Laden, and then hearing two of the defendants, Hassoun and Jayyousi, via the phone tap, extolling bin Laden’s words.
While Judge Cooke says she will inform the jury that there is no evidence that Padilla ever heard or saw the interview, can Judge Cooke’s words overcome the understandable disgust if not downright hatred bin Laden’s presence will engender in the jurors? Judge Cooke’s words pale in significance and power as compared to looking and listening to bin Laden, the man responsible for 9/11 and then hearing Hassoun and Jayyousi delighting in bin Laden’s words.
2. It is guilt by association.
There they are. All three defendants are locked together in the courtroom, all three locked together in the conspiracy charges. The jury can take them in with a single glance. Birds of a feather. If Padilla is guilty of anything in connection with the bin Laden tape interview, it is the guilt of association.
Hassoun and Jayyousi believed bin Laden’s words were wonderful. There’s Padilla, sitting next to them. It’s obvious. Or so the prosecution hopes. Guilt-by-association. Thought crime. Thought crimes or crimes of guilt-by-association were rampant in the 1950s but they have been a thread throughout the history of this nation, beginning with the Puritans and their demands for absolute unanimity in a country filled with uncertainty, surrounded by savages. There was safety in numbers even if in small numbers. There was security in the certainty of lockstep conformity. That was the thread that Arthur Miller captured so well in his play The Crucible, a thread in the very fabric of this nation.
All it took to exploit that threat was a casual statement by a Junior Senator from Wisconsin.. “I have in my hand..a list of 205 – a list of names that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who, nevertheless, are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.” Prejudice and guilt-by-association were the words of the day. A trial wasn’t needed; the McCarthy accusation sufficed .
3 It is irrelevant.
How relevant is the bin Laden tape to the trial in Miami? It’s a 1997 CNN interview with bin Laden in eastern Afghanistan in late March of 1997. Obviously Padilla is not involved in the conversation. He wasn’t even involved in discussing it with Hassoun and Jayyousi years later. Padilla never saw the interview.
4. It is unfair speculation.
What is the jury seeing? Only a small portion of an interview which has absolutely nothing to do with Hassoun, Jayyousi or Padilla. Even though Hassoun and Jayyousi discussed the interview, it has nothing to do with them but produce speculation, unfair speculation.
5. It is dangerous precedent.
Just because someone agrees with someone’s politics doesn’t mean that they are an active supporter of that individual or guilty of a crime. Today, a number of Muslim and non-Muslim people agree with all or some of what Bin Laden said in his interview. They might have stated that belief on the phone or even in public. This doesn’t make them criminals.
The trail is unfair on five counts. There is only one reason for prosecutors Brian Frazier, John Shipley, Russell Killinger and Stephanie Pell to introduce the tape of the bin Laden: to instill fear and prejudice in the jurors.
I’m surprised Judge Cooke would want the jury to bring back a verdict based on fear and prejudice. It’s one thing to change political parties and to cave to the conservative Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, but quite another to follow in the footsteps of the Junior Senator from Wisconsin.
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uno? Hi Lew. Thanks for the continued coverage of this trial.
hi lew
dos?
jayt at 2
Nice to see you this evening
Thanks for this, Lew and Rachel
as always, a must read.
Elliott at 5
We appreciate it.
A drive by posting from Alfred Kelgarries:
I promised an analysis of the four part Washington Post article series on Vice President Cheney for today. I have finally finished it. Here is the link.
These Articles Are Part Of The Second American Civil War. Have A Nice Day.
I’m going to go back and polish my analysis of the series article by article. I’ll post the links to those when done.
And Lew, I found the book and emailed you the details, including a purchase link on Amazon. Love your work, and if my guess is right, you’re going to be doing a LOT more of it soon!
How about if the judge is purposefully setting up the reversible error, knowing and counting on the fact that she’ll most likely be overturned on appeal yet also willing to take a chance that she will get away with it.
Kind of a F*ck-you to both sides.
Thanks Lew. Just one question —– since when has anyone in the Bush admin ever cared about providing a fair trial for a defendant? Of course the judge should know better.
Lew: Thanks for the great continuing coverage.
A quick question…I know you’re not a mind-reader, but do you think there’s any chance that Judge Cooke could be (consciously or unconsciously) paving the way for a mistrial? Why else would she allow something so egregiously prejudicial as the bin Laden interview?
(dakine: I just saw your related comment after I’d posted. Great minds, etc… *G)
Right On, Lew! Thanks again for the updates! I agree with many of your arguments, it is a shoddy attempt to obtain ‘Guilt by Association’!!! I hope the Jury can see through the desperate facade the prosecution is attempting to erect!!!
sort of sounds like the fix is in. Only to be overturned in 2009… like everything else.
One has to consider the judge may be trying to have this case thrown out by someone other than herself. I cannot make any sense out of this trial without considering this possibility.
Is this kind of behavior by a judge.. allowing such obviously skewed non evidence in a trial grounds for impeachment or other penalty?
Alex at 7
I printed your piece out. I read the WP. The series made me weep for one reason: where has this kind of reporting been for 5 1/2 years. How far will the Democrats take this information? Inquiring minds want to know. Your email to me has not arrived at Gmail nor my Comcast address. Please check. I want that info and your email
this is a ridiculous ruling.There’s nothing quite like letting in evidence of a giant bright pink elephant, and then telling the jury to ‘please ignore that elephant over there, and for God’s sake don’t think of the elephant when you think of Mr. Padilla.’
Prejudicial, yes. Amateurish most definitely. Grounds for reversal? pretty much guaranteed, I’d say.
I spotted this one the other day, and posted on it then:
jayt says:
June 26th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
OfT – but jeez:
MIAMI (Reuters) – Osama bin Laden’s face and words loomed over the U.S. terrorism trial of former “dirty bomber” suspect Jose Padilla on Tuesday as jurors were shown a 10-year-old videotaped interview of the al Qaeda leader.
The three defendants are not accused of having any direct connection to bin Laden, and defense lawyers objected vigorously…
U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke told jurors to ignore it when deciding Padilla’s fate since there was no evidence he saw or discussed the interview.
Can you say “mistrial”? How about “reversed on appeal”?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..padilla_dc
dakine01 at 8 and CD at 10
I don’t the Judge Cooke give any indication of being that subtle. If she wanted to make a statement, she could wait for the end of the prosecution’s case and a request from the defense of a judicial finding of not guilty, taking the verdict out of the hands of the jury. That would be a public statement.
Judges, like just about everybody else, wants credit when credit is due.
TexB @ 9
Thanks Lew. Just one question —– since when has anyone in the Bush admin ever cared about providing a fair trial for a defendant? Of course the judge should know better.
You’re correct – they don’t care about a fair trial – they care about getting a conviction. By the time it’s reversed, it won’t much matter, because the R’s will have wrung maximum political mileage out of it.
Very interesting, Lew. Would you say this was an anomalous decision, or in your opinion has the Judge been doing things like this all along?
randiego @ 12
I’m with ya on that! This was a lovely letter I received from my congresscritter today:
Dear Mr. Tuttle,
Thank you for contacting me to share your views on the war in Iraq.
Members of Congress have been deeply divided over resolution of this war, but an increasing number on both sides of the aisle are pushing for a change in course. From the very beginning of the 110th Congress (2007-2008), I have strongly advocated an end to President Bush’s failed war and have called for a time frame to redeploy our troops safely from Iraq. I have not wavered from this position.
On April 25, 2007, I voted for H.R. 1591, which required the President to certify that Iraq meet various benchmarks and adopted a goal of completing troop redeployment by March 2008. The President vetoed this bill. I voted to override his veto, but the House was unable to pass the bill.
On May 10, 2007, I voted for H.R. 2237, the McGovern bill which sought to redeploy troops in 90 days. While support for this bill surpassed expectations, it failed to pass (171 yeas to 255 nays).
Two weeks later, I voted against a measure in H.R. 2206 that provides for continued war funding because it did not contain a withdrawal timetable, troop readiness standards, or definite consequences for failure by the Iraqi government to meet its commitments. H.R. 2206 passed the House and Senate and was signed into law.
The fight to bring an end to this war is far from over. The House is planning to vote on multiple measures this summer to change the mission in Iraq, hold the Iraqi government and President Bush accountable, and redeploy our troops.
I have already signed on as a cosponsor of H.R. 1460, a bill that not only de-authorizes the war but pushes for increased diplomacy and a concrete plan for troop redeployment. You can be sure that I will keep fighting to end this failed Iraq war and begin the redeployment of our troops as soon as possible.
Sincerely,
Mazie K. Hirono
Member of Congress
I think I’ll keep her in office!!! *g*
jayt at 15
There is much, much more to that Reuters story. It is significantly different from the one I have. I need to know why. Your intrepid investigating reporter is ON THE CASE!
CTuttle @ 19
Please clone her and have her run for office in Texas!
Jane at 18
I think Judge Cooke was trying to do the right thing in the beginning. She dismissed one of the government’s charges as being “duplicitious.” (I think that’s the word but I’d have to check.) She was rudely and publicly humiliated by the Court of Appeals, not just by reversing her decision, but by the rapidity of the reversal. The Appeals Court judges KNEW that their ultra swift rejection would be seen as a slap in the face, and of course, it was. She was put on notice, sort of like my teachers in high school would put me on notice that one more misbehavior and I was suspended. Now you know why I never graduated high school.
TexB, Now, I’m awaiting her Habeus response!!! 8-)
Padilla’s lawyer should make his Motion for Mistrial immediately. When it is denied, he should immediately file for an interlocutory appeal on that issue.
Drive by …
He might very well be guilty but …
OK I don’t unnerstan’, what does this possibly have to do with Padilla? They can’t even show him with OBL
Guilt by alleged Association?
By that logic, where is Rummy’s trial?
Lew-
Thanks again for your reporting.
As I’ve said before, this is the only way to learn what’s going on.
But, forgive me, I have “one of those questions”. One of those uninformed questions.
In your posts, this has been called the “Padilla trial”. I am embarrassed to say that I had not paid attention to (apparently) the other two- Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi.
Can you explain a bit more about why they are being tried in trio, and how the dynamics work as far as lawyers defending the different individuals?
Thanks as ever.
“beginning with the Puritans and their demands for absolute unanimity in a country filled with uncertainty, surrounded by savages.“
At one time there was considerable speculation that much of the Puritan, um, weirdness was caused by moldy rye bread.
What’s this judge been having for lunch? How many ingredients might have been, say, imported from China?
Not that I mean that seriously, but seriously, it’s that effin’ weird.
BusChen Occupation Administration…
Constricting the constitution….
Devouring Goodwill towards America...
Obstructing Progress.
I’m very happy that Lew has pointed out the fallacies of guilt-by-association rhetoric. Pach and Niewert should pay heed.
Valley Girl at 26
Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi were already under indictment for conspiracy. Padilla was well on his way to freedom. The Supreme Court told his attorneys to, as it were, take the following steps and we’ll free your client.
That’s when the G panicked. The G “mooted” the bullshit blowing-up-high-rise-apartment-buildings-by-exploding-stoves
charges. They dropped them . They gave up. But they couldn’t just release Padilla. That would have been humiliating to all those Justice Department Attorneys General and Deputy Attorney General types. They knew Hassoun had mentored Padilla, and yeah, helped Padilla into that morass in the Middle East with a bunch of terrorists. He HAD interacted with Hassoun so, presto chango, no more blow shit up in the U.S.
Instead, just fold Padilla into the charges against Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi. No problemo.
You know, I agree with Waxman and Leahy. I like to read their letters and see them on CSPAN when I can. I even get really happy at times when certain questions are asked by them. I delighted in the fact that Leahy got really angry with Schlozman. Does that mean that I work with them or that they solicit my opinions on their work? No.
This is nutty.
GordonM at 27
Where is that quote from?
I’m sorry to say that at this time, I lack your confidence in The Supremes to render a judgement shich isn’t rooted in radical right-wing ideology. Mind you, with the possible exception of Thomas, they are intelligent enough to fabricate a specious rationalization which gives the appearance that their decisions are based on an interpretation of The Constitution. In reality five of the current justices can be considered loyal Bushies.
Valley Girl says
June 27th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Can you explain a bit more about why they are being tried in trio,…
The phrase “tarred with the same brush” comes to mind.
Thanks, Lew and Rachel.
This is a post that has me almost lost for words. How can a judge in our system of justice do this?
BusChen is a great big snake. The serpent monster is strangling America.
But… it has a weakness… it can be bought…
GordonM @ 27
Isn’t LSD synthesized from ergot, rye fungus?
yep James … see Devils of Loudon, etc.
CTuttle, you lucky dog.
Lew Koch @ 32
2. Guilt by Association.
wigwam at 29
It’s very easy (probably too goddam easy)for me to sit here and judge the hell out of people. I don’t have all the facts. I go with what I can get. The more things are kept from me, the more likely I’ll get it wrong. I believe in nuance. But people working for the Government have the salute and follow orders. I worked for the G once — what I called by first government job and my last. The group I was working with wanted to cheat and if they cheated, I’d have to quit. They said fine. I said, I’d quite and go public. They said, “You do that and you will never work for government again.” I replied, “Promise?” That’s my way and certainly not the only way.
Lew Koch @ 30
Lew, thanks so much for the explanation. It adds another dimension of horrible to the Padilla charges, which I was not aware of before.
Do you have a take from the courtroom proceedings as to whether Padilla had been generally considered to be “equal” in terms of charges before in the trial? If not, did the judge’s decision suddenly change the turf?
These Facists are desperate now. They thought they had victory in their grasp, and now see it slipping away.
Good.
Loo Hoo. @ 39
Merely another reason to live here in Paradise!!! 8-)
Lew Koch @ 32
Lew… ummm your response is not clear. The italicized quote is from your article.
I would have to google to find more about ergotamine and the Salem witch trials, but iirc, in retrospect it’s clear that there was a neurobiological and not a political explanation for the weird behavior.
james @ 37
I thought it was from Wheat Fungus, I most certainly could be wrong, tho!!!
Valley Girl at 42
Padilla is the biggest catch here. No one ever heard of Hassoun or Jayyousi. But remember, they put in millions of dollars and thousands of hours taping those last two. The G wanted some “return” on its investment or it would look like they were wasting the tax payers money. And you know how devastated they’d feel about that accusation.
Valley Girl at 45
Sorry, I meant to add a “grin” Truth is, I kinda like that sentence.
Look, you pussy libruls, imprisoning people without trial just because they arguably felt happy about an event that our enemies also felt happy about is EXACTLY how we save democracy in America!!!
Ergot Poisoning – the cause of the Salem Witch Trials
snip from above ~~~Toxicologists now know that eating ergot-contaminated food can lead to a convulsive disorder characterized by violent muscle spasms, vomiting, delusions, hallucinations, crawling sensations on the skin, and a host of other symptoms — all of which, Linnda Caporael noted, are present in the records of the Salem witchcraft trials. Ergot thrives in warm, damp, rainy springs and summers. When Caporael examined the diaries of Salem residents, she found that those exact conditions had been present in 1691. Nearly all of the accusers lived in the western section of Salem village, a region of swampy meadows that would have been prime breeding ground for the fungus. At that time, rye was the staple grain of Salem. The rye crop consumed in the winter of 1691-1692 — when the first usual symptoms began to be reported — could easily have been contaminated by large quantities of ergot. The summer of 1692, however, was dry, which could explain the abrupt end of the ‘bewitchments.’ These and other clues built up into a circumstantial case against ergot that Caporael found impossible to ignore.~~~
Lew and Rachel: Thank you for your reporting.
Lew Koch @ 47
Valley Girl’s comment about the Salem Witch Hunt rings true and I’m skeptical about our court system.
Lew Koch @ 41
Hi Lew,
I fully support your stand on guilt by association. I am, however, more than a bit frustrated by the guilt-by-association arguments that this or that person who opposes unauthorized immigration is racist. And, I say that knowing full well that many of them are. But, for example, Caesar Chavez was not.
Too many of these denunciation smack of McCarthyism.
Linfalas at 51
Thank you very much. We dig the feedback.
Linfalas @ 51
I second the motion.
Drive-by totally, totally OT, or maybe not. This kind of daddy would’ve scared the bejeebers out of me:
Mitt Romney provides family valuable lesson in stewardship of the animals.
This is Jeb’s candidate [and the rest of the Familia Bushie?] Sicc ‘im, Kobe!
The Jose Padilla Case: Screenplay by Mel Brooks
Valley Girl @ 50
Definitely, Rye, then! When I had toured Salem and Plymouth Rock, awhile back, I had heard mentioned it was the bread, I’d assumed it was wheat bread, Doh!!!
Lew Koch @ 54
My goodness you deserve a lot of credit. I still receive the NYTimes even though my local paper is the Atlanta Constitution and they don’t do the work that you do. They do have good crossword puzzles though.
If the GOP gets back in ‘08, Miranda will be the next target. I envision them starting out with something along the lines of “in certain cases” the application of Miranda is not applicable.
CTuttle- also from the ergot poisoning link:
~~Ergot is caused by the fungus Claviceps purpurea, which affects rye, wheat and other cereal grasses.~~
So, your assumption was not off the mark.
OT, but this made my hair stand up on end:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062707M.shtml
So now it turns out that we’re shooting God-only-knows-what into young Marines? And thereby destroying their lives?
Oklahoma kiddo at 60
I’ve heard the same thing. These are the justices who said precedent played a very significant part of their judgments. Let’s see what the streets look like when they reverse Roe.
Loo Hoo. @ 31
yeah, what’s up with that…why haven’t they consulted you yet? :~)
Valley Girl @ 61
Circa: Woodstock, ‘Watch out for that Brown Sh*t going around…’!!! *g*
Valley Girl @ 61
take it away, Jimi: “Purple haze, all through my brain”
Comment testing… Nothing to see…
With Republicans and the rule of law, the possibilites are endless.
Is it possible that by admitting the Bin Laden tape and admonishing the jury not to associate it with Padilla, the judge has done Padilla a favor? It provides a basis for any rational-thinking jurors to distinguish Padilla from the other two defendants, an excuse to find him not guilty even if they find the others guilty. It sets him apart, in other words, as the one accused terrorist who had nothing to do with Bin Laden.
Lew- back to my questions about the lawyerly dynamics of the trial. It seems, from what you have said, that Padilla has his own lawyer/s. But what about Hassoun and Jayyousi? Same/ different lawyers?
From what you’ve said above, it seems that Padilla has turned into the “big fish” to fry. Is that your sense of what is going on during the trial, in terms of how the defendants are being viewed by the “tea ladies”?
Lew Koch @ 63
It seems the pitchforks and straw torches are already being prepped!!! ;-)
klos @ 67
would it be safe to assume that this is a comment from the guy who runs the computer show at FDL, and is in no way an editorial comment on the er… comments?
Valley Girl @ 72
Yes.
Valley Girl @ 72
I should hope not…!!!
neurophius at 69
EXCELLENT POINT. My problem with it, is that you are asking a jury of American citizens — and their names will come out — you’re asking them to take a measured stand in the face of an issues which involves the deaths of thousands, an issue which started a war. I think the odds are against it. Not impossible, not at all, and the judge has been as good as she can, given her refusal to disallow the video tape. If the jury were to do it, the Justice Department would correctly view it as a slap in the face. More likely, I think, is a resolution which resembles The Ox-Bow Incident.
Valley Girl at 70
Hassoun and Jayyousi and Padilla have their own set of attorneys. But the client interests are not identical. It was Padilla’s lawyer, Andew Natale, who’s been with him almost from the very beginning who protested the most about the bin Laden tape being admitted. The attorneys for Hassoun and Jayyousi were silent.
Lew, Lew, Lew . . . . . whatever gave you the idea that they care about justice and the truth?
Peanutcat at 77
Boy do I deserve that.
Lew Koch @ 76
It would behoove Hassoun and Jayyousi’s lawyers to object, albeit, not too strenuously, since they had been recorded discussing bin Laden’s statement!!!
The impression is that Karl Rove is the chief tamperer with the law (and the Constitution, and the AG does what Mr. Rove tells him to do). And he (Rove) is not a lawyer. Is there anything strikingly distorted with this picture?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
Part of that 4 part WaPo story was that Gonzo does whatever anybody more alpha than he tells him to.
That probably includes Lurita Doan.
please pardon the OT:
Sidney Blumenthal weighs in on the Imperial Vice-Presidency
Oklahoma kiddo at 80
It IS the worst Presidency ever.
Lew, I agree that expecting the jurors to let Padilla off, even if they convict the other two, because of his clear lack of connection to the Bin Laden case, is asking a lot in the face of the War on Terra. But it is something for Padilla’s lawyers to stress in their closing argument.
It has probably been 40 years since I read The Oxbow Incident. Can you remind me what your reference is to?
I didn’t mean Bin Laden case, I meant Bin Laden videotape.
Evening, everyone. Exceptional coverage, Mr Koch-I do hope you’re planning on writing a book on the case, when it concludes.
Lew Koch @ 32
As others may have pointed out, it’s from your piece above.
It struck me that Native Americans were being referred to as ’savages’. The intent may have been irony, but that is far from clear.
neurophius at 84
From Wici
n the book and the film, a posse is formed and lynches three supposed cattle rustlers against the protests of the local judge; the rustlers are then found innocent. The novel and the movie thus criticize mob rule in favour of the proper workings of justice, even if it is slow-moving. As such, it is partly intended as a wartime defense of American values versus Nazi Germany. However, by associating Nazi mob rule with the values of the American Old West, it implies that Americans have the potential to succumb to mob rule too.
VictorLaszlo at 87
Indeed, irony, irony, irony.
“It struck me that Native Americans were being referred to as ’savages’. The intent may have been irony, but that is far from clear.”
Actually the view here is that the “savages” were in reality, ‘militants’. ;0)
Lew Koch @ 89
Yeah, this isn’t the first time I’ve read your work, so I thought I could safely assume as much. Thanks for clarifying.
I am reminded of Judge Walton’s comment that the Amici Illuminati did not show the skill of a first year law student.
Evidence is a second-year course, but jeez……Is that videotape probative?
Beuller? Beuller? Beuller?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
radicals.
Eureka Springs @ 93
;0)
albert fall at 92
Damned if I know but there it is.
Eureka Springs @ 93
No, No, Dirty F*cking Hippies!!! You know the real ‘Savages’!!! ‘Bong Hits for Jesus’ ilk!!! *g*
Marion in Savannah @ 62
Miss Marion, that is an important catch and thanks for the link. My late husband and father of my children was in Army Intelligence and after being transferred back to the US from Viet Nam he had a group of NCO’s, old timers (who did not serve in Viet Nam before or after) running illicit scams in and out of their midwest offices. Will spare you the details but suffice it to say they were never charged, much less dishonorably discharged despite my husband’s best efforts with his command superiors. On his last meeting with his superior officer in the Denver regional headquarters he was persuaded to get a physical at Fitzimmons Army hospital before returning to his out of state command post.
His kindly doctor there, a recent draftee, warned him to accept his commander’s advice to ask for a transfer to a less stressful, non-intelligence post. He thought that was really bonkers since he was recruited while still at university by Army Intelligence recruiters. He was highly skilled in languages and a brilliant young idealistic American and had committed to a career in service to his country and the U.S. Army in particular.
Instead he received a ghastly number of electroshock treatments and afterward advised that he could never return to intelligence but the Army would offer him an interesting post outside the sphere of intelligence. Viet Nam was raging at that time. This was too much so he left the service with an honorable discharge, a broken heart, deep shame and disillusioned heart.
At the time of his death not so many years ago he still harbored shame and grief. The shame is on the US military corporate cabal as these young Marines and God knows how many others in our armed services today. In my late husband’s case it occurred on Johnson and Nixon’s watch. I shudder to think how much more abuse occurs on the current watch of the Commander in Chief and Darth Cheney.
TRex is upstairs. I got the zed. Also — click on my name if you want to read about wind turbines in Texas.
Lew, thanks again for your hard work.
Lew–
Isn’t the standard of review of the Judge’s decision to admit Bin Laden’s statement without severing the trial of Padilla “abuse of discretion” for the Court of Appeals and the Supremes? I can easily see Thomas, Alito and Roberts voting to uphold her decision based on that standard of review. I’ll handicap Scalia as 60-40 in favor of upholding the decision based on that standard of review. Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer will vote to reverse. Which leaves Kennedy as the swing vote. He seems to have lost his ability to think since O’Connor left the court, so I see him voting to uphold the decision.
It’s sad to say that I think it is possible to predict this outcome without having read any of the pleadings filed or the trial transcripts.
Crawford v. Washington, United States Supreme Court, March 8, 2004*
___________________________________
*Someone covering the Padilla trial should read it and see if it applies. I’m not gonna go it.
pdf btw
the scotus now consists of five papists.
papists’ ‘legal’ foundation is premised with ‘we are all born sinners’. therefore, guilt by plausible association is assured. all that’s required to be declared guilty is accusation and process. the accusers now control the process, and have made it absolute.
temporarily, that is.
peas!
Marion in Savannah @ 62
It was with the deepest sense of foreboding that I opened your truthout link. Jusus H Furking crist, why aren’t we out on the streets with torches illuminating the (possibly terminal) illness that is our current government. How can we ever instill a sense of shame in these soulless dregs of evil? I was depressed when I arrived at the lake tonight — now, not so good.
Crawford does not apply. It applies where the testimony of the person being offered into evidence is being offered to prove the truth of what the person is saying. The Bin Laden tape is not being offered to prove the truth of what Bin Laden says on the tape. (As I understand it) the tape is being offered to prove the state of mind of Padilla’s co-conspirators. The judge’s limiting instructions to the jury are theoretically supposed to prevent the jury from convicting Padilla based on the Bin Laden tape.
The trial judge may think that the jury is likely to acquit Padilla even with the tape. She can’t get reversed if Padilla is not convicted.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
That’s what I’m saying…
;D
So… the government’s case is so strong that they’ve finally decided to resort to the Chewbacca Defense…
Tools.
Marion in Savannah @ 62
OMG!! Whatever this is, it is horrible!
I can only add my own trivial expreience. I went to the school health center and told them that I needed to go to Guatemala in two weeks. The nurse gave me about a dozen shots, and I went home and was sicker than hell for the next 24 hours. A week later, I went back to the clinic for my next batch of shots, but the nurse wasn’t there. So they took me to the doctor. I told him that I was there for my next batch of shots and showed him what the nurse had recommended.
The doctor looked at me and said, “This will kill you. The nurse used to be in the military. But, I’m in private practice and refuse to kill you. Here is what you’re going to get.” Which was about one tenth of what the nurse had recommended.
Moral: the military has been treating the GIs like cattle for a very long time.
the scotus now consists of five papists. the legal (enforceable) premise is ‘we are all born sinners’. all that is required to assume guilt is accusation and process. since the accusers now control the process, all are guilty.
in real life, not so much.
peas! inna godden of eatin!
60yoh @ 109
Think Whirled Peas!!! ;-)
Now you see the real danger of this administration, everything they have done has been leading up to this, control the COURTS and you CONTROL AMERICA. WHY do you think this piece of human feces works so hard at MISDIRECTION.
Reading this a day late, Lew, but I want you to know that I always take the time to read your Padilla posts.
This ruling is interesting that Janet Cook got slapped down so hard early. Maybe this ruling is her revenge–? If so, good for her.
“…and when in the course of events one sees such a sinister threat to our liberties, the required action becomes unquestionably clear…”
[ * ] et als, Sen. Leahy, for the court is now a questionable entity and:
“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Daddy T.J.
“nsct&eo”
[Mod: edited to remove reference to violence and public officials]
disgusted @ 111
Ditto:
A sinister threat to every american!
This is the folly of Bush and his war on terror, and we are all too stupid to point out that this Emperor has no cloths. All this administration is trying to do is set a precedent with Padilla that will make mistrials obsolete, and allow a President to dictatorially apprehend Americans and disappear us in some gulag. None of the contradictions introduced to our laws and Constitution through Bush and Co. have been used for anything but the abuse of power. We give these new powers to our Executive branch who won’t hesitate to abuse the power we give them. This must be why we never gave them this kind of power to these assholes in the first place. If the Jose Padilla trial isn’t a mistrial then there is no such thing as mistrials. The Jose Padilla trial can only be a mistrial in a sane world. Too bad my country has gone insane thanks to a psychopath in the White House.
That would be “incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial.” – Perry Mason
albert fall @ 92
Amazing how it always comes back to fundamentals and today’s Republicans don’t believe in the same fundamentals this country and Western Civilization were built on.