It comes in handy, it really does. When you just don’t give a shit about anyone but yourself, it’s very empowering. There’s almost nothing you can’t – won’t – do. I’m not speaking from experience, just from observation of Dubya and his inner circle for the past 6.5 years. I exaggerate a bit, but they have demonstrated time and again that they care nothing for the little people outside their cozy bubble, and that they are perfectly willing to sacrifice anyone and anything in their pursuit of power, money, and delusions of grandeurosity.
This is all old news, of course. It’s why BushCo. had no interest in acting on the “Bin Laden Determined To Strike In US” PDB; it’s why it never even occurred to them to do anything before or after New Orleans drowned; it’s why they’re dedicated to demolishing democracy; and it’s why they were perfectly willing to throw our troops into the flaming tarpit of Iraq even after UN inspectors confirmed that Saddam was not a threat.
Here’s what worries me about the Sociopath-In-Chief now: We already know that our soldiers’ lives mean nothing to him, and that he’s perfectly willing to sacrifice them for political gain, or just to get a hard-on. We also know, as Atrios reminds us repeatedly, that in Dubya’s crazed, macho brain Leaving = Losing. So if the Democrats and perhaps some fed-up Republicans finally do manage to pull the plug on the war while he’s still in office, what’s his incentive not to botch the withdrawal and then blame the carnage on the congressional surrender-monkeys?
As the late lamented Gilliard pointed out, withdrawal from Iraq is going to be very difficult unless Sadr rolls out the red carpet to the exit. What if the withdrawal is as poorly planned and executed as the occupation? What if there’s a botched assassination attempt on Sadr just as we’re starting to withdraw? Sure, no sane president would endanger our troops so needlessly… but we don’t have a sane president.
Please tell me that Petraeus or whatever poor sap Dubya appoints as “Withdrawal Czar” will find some sneaky, back-channel way to ensure that the withdrawal doesn’t turn into a bloodbath.
(Please note: I am fully in favor of withdrawing the troops as quickly as possible – I’m just hoping that the Democrats and military can somehow protect the troops from death by hissy fit…)
UPDATE: Dover Bitch beat me to it.
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ha
zunoed?
Ahh. Missed it by THAT much…
Guess it’s time for me to stop tinkering with it…
dakine01 @ 3
Second time today I have just totally lucked into it.
Hi Eli!
Hi, Elliott!
raven @ 5
That’s usually how I get ‘em. I click the Refresh comments button, it starts taking longer than it should and I check upstairs just in case…
(driving by really quickly)
Hey Eli! Hey everyone!
(will bbl, promise…)
Eli,
Unfortunately, you are probably spot-on with this analysis. The troops, the Iraqis, Us citizens, whomever, we’re all just numbers on a page or statistics or collateral damage. BushCo does not see humans because in his eyes, only the rich and mega-rich can be classified as humans. For the rest of us, we’re just so much cannon fodder to be used, abused, and tossed aside after wearing out.
Thanks for clearing that up. *s*
It’s a hostage situation, and has been for some time. That’s why not funding the troops loses for Democrats. They would never leave the troops with insufficient supplies. Bush seems just crazy enough to do that. He will certainly threaten that and who knows what he would really do?
You nailed it, Eli. I believe we are going to learn what the acronym FUBAR means in practical experience. I see no safe ending to this tragedy. I suppose the Coulters of this world will simply say that the American people were not up to the challenge, and deserve defeat. I recall something on these lines coming out of the Berlin Bunker in April 1945. We live, but we don’t always learn.
Hiya, LL!
dakine01 @ 10
The creepy thing, which I realized after Katrina, is that he doesn’t actually understand that everyone else doesn’t see the world the same way.
You’re right, Eli, there’s no track record to indicate BushCo wouldn’t completely FUBAR a withdrawal. The only things he’s succeeded at: protecting potential snowflake babies, enriching war profiteers, and bankrupting America’s reputation in the world.
Getting out is gonna be harder than getting in; they pretty well fucked up getting in, so I hold out little hope they’ll get out intelligently. Should we wait for a Democratic President? No, American troops and Iraqi children deserve our best effort:
TROOPS
HOME
NOW
Eli says:
what Eli says
and I really am seriously worried, I feel very uneasy, more so now than ever. It’s like gnawing at me. And it won’t go away.
LoudounLib @ 9
hippo birdy!
LoudounLib is the house!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!
;-) thanks Teddy!
TeddySanFran @ 17
two ewes!
Elliott @ 18
Thank you, thank you ;-) I’ll see you all in just a little bit!
Knut Wicksell @ 13
A fool who does not learn, is bound to repeat their foolery!!! ;-)
Thomas Tobiason @ 12
One of the things I was mulling over while trying to find the exact angle to pursue was Bush’s approach to bluffing. Or rather, *not* bluffing.
Remember how the massive troop build-up around Iraq basically intimidated Saddam into letting in the inspectors? If Bush had just been bluffing to achieve his stated goal of disarming Saddam, that would have been a brilliant, bloodless victory.
But Bush was *not* bluffing, he was hell-bent on invading Iraq no matter what, and he did so even after it was clear there was no need to.
I think it was the same with the supplemental. *Maybe* Bush was bluffing because he knew the Democrats had a weak hand, and if he just kept vetoing, they would eventually fold. But I suspect that even if they had stayed resolute, he would have *still* continued to veto, and simply allowed the troops to run out of supplies without using any of the emergency funding options at his disposal.
Again, that is something only a sociopath would be willing to do.
Unfortunately, Judy Miller’s buddy Petraeu, is not the guy we want orchestrating an event-free withdrawal.
As I’ve said before in other threads, the Marines left Beirut in 1983 without incident; all sides wanted them to go so that they could get on with their internecine fighting even though UN forces were sent in their place.
I was with the last Marine aviation unit to leave from Marble Mountain walking the distance from Danang to the harbor where the helicopters were put on ships for transport to Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii. No one fired on us and there were no incidents along the way.
If there is a problem as we are pulling out, it will be the result of a provocateur, someone or some group hired by or associated with the criminal element in this administration that would desire a little more bloodshed of innocents just to provide fodder for their pundits and talking heads.
Sadr and all the other militias in Iraq want us out and if that means a cease-fire while we withdraw, that is what they will do. Then they will proceed to kicking the living shit out of each other, but hey! Our kids will be safe.
What’s stopping him from surgical air strikes aimed at Iran?
The withdrawal is going to be very difficult, and made worse by the destruction of the bridges around Baghdad and the general anger of the people of the region. Heaven only knows how much equipment we will have to pull out of Iraq. We have alienated every country in the area, so our only real hope is to get the troops out through Kuwait, where we can use the port. The good thing is that this kind of effort is the responsibility of the logistics branch, a technical group with nothing to catch the eye of the politicians, so probably there has been no purging of the competent in favor of the crony Bush die-hards.
Every once in a while I hear and read these talking brains advising us not to sell the prez short. That he’s really a sharp guy. Then call me stupid, because I don’t get it.
“so if the Democrats and perhaps some fed-up Republicans finally do manage to pull the plug on the war while he’s still in office, what’s his incentive not to botch the withdrawal and then blame the carnage on the congressional surrender-monkeys?”
ummm, which Democrats are those?
Congressional Dems are now co-owners of the occupation, voting for unconditional funding for it.
Clinton and Obama are likely to continue the bloodshed, and insist all options, including war crimes and crimes against peace, are on the table in regards to Cheney/Bush’s next target, Iran.
Rhetoric that can be interpreted otherwise is presumptively electioneering – their pollsters and consultants are now telling them that they have to make euphemisms about withdrawal.
watch how they act, and how they acted, not what they say.
and for another sobering analysis of what an unplanned withdrawal might look like, check out this article by William S. Lind:
http://www.counterpunch.org/lind03302007.html
TeddySanFran @ 15
That’s why I felt compelled to tack on the disclaimer at the end. In my original draft, I was going to ask the question:
Would more troops die over 18 more months of occupation than would die in a botched withdrawal? I’m assuming yes, and I’m hoping that the military can act as a buffer from Dubya’s insanity – withdrawal is, I think, a more purely military action than occupation/reconstruction/peacekeeping/nationbuilding, so maybe they’ll demonstrate a little more expertise.
But if they start putting 20-year-old College Republicans in charge of the withdrawal, watch out…
oh eli… i don’t think a well planned, well negotiated and well executed withdrawal is in the cards – and i so hope to be proven wrong on this.
our current options seem to be:
1. a fucked up occupation maybe even with an attack on iran
2. a fucked up withdrawal
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
See definition of sociopath
No, really, that’s still a violation of the UN Charter and Hague Conventions. This isn’t something we should be even considering as an alternative.
The war party wants another war and will do anything to get it.
masaccio @ 26
and yet, what is George W. Bush going to suffer, really? In the scale of sufferings, what will be his measured?
hi Eli!
about this though
proper attribution I believe goes to Joe Wilson, in a live interview here at the the ambassador was the first to not only suggest but tell us it will be likely we will actually have to fight to leave and we’ll have a bloody fight at that
we were all stunned to put it mildly
CTuttle @ 22
And, a fool will always find a greater fool to admire him.
(someone said that)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
Yeah, I’m kinda worried about that too, but I think that’s going to be more of a December 2008 fuck-you to the incoming administration.
I truly do not believe we will withdraw from Iraq. They want a new ‘cold’ war — only this one is playing with lit dynamite. The terrorists, and there are some really bad people who want to do us harm, would love if Bush stayed, And they will oblige Bush his global war. Instead of grownups, this is a match between juvenile delinquents — to the death.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
What is Surgical about an airstrike? A bombing is a bombing! Similarly, there are no ‘Tactical’ nukes, God help us all!!! 8-(
dakine01 @ 3
AND loving it.
(is Don Adams still alive??)
perris @ 33
proper attribution I believe goes to Joe Wilson, in a live interview here at the the ambassador was the first to not only suggest but tell us it will be likely we will actually have to fight to leave and we’ll have a bloody fight at that
we were all stunned to put it mildly
Hi, perris! Gilliard was where I first remember seeing it and thinking Oh shit, this could be really bad. He had cool maps and everything.
james @ 24
wayne white says that times have changed and that a good plan for withdrawal from iraq will give it 12 to 15 months.
No, really, that’s still a violation of the UN Charter and Hague Conventions.
Which the Bushies consider quaint and obsolete. Again, any sane president would think long and hard about violating international law. Dubya would just ask someone to provide him with a pretense, any pretense would do.
Or maybe Cheney and Addington could explain how the United States isn’t really a nation, and is therefore exempt from all international law…
I reallyhate that smirk of his.
Behind the two characters is an image of a mushroom cloud:
99: Oh, Max what a terrible weapon of destruction.
Smart: Yes. You know, China, Russia, and France should outlaw all nuclear weapons. We should insist upon it.
99: What if they don’t, Max?
Smart: Then we may have to blast them. That’s the only way to keep peace in the world.
Well, if the VP doesn’t think he’s part of the Executive Branch, what’s to stop them from deciding that if the next election goes against them for $INSERT_BULLSHIT_REASON and just declaring martial law and ordering the army to keep them in power? I don’t put it past them at all. And given a conflict between an order and a duty to the Constitution how much of the Army would *cough Abu Ghraib cough* choose the Constitution?
Elliott @ 32
His suffering? Pretty much non-existent. A few people will have the audacity to ask him pointed questions at which point he’ll get p*ss’d, whine about how he really really really really feels their hurt but he still sleeps well each night so What, Me Worry?
Ahgoo @ 42
and it’s seems to have spread around to his peeps, kinda like a cold sore.
All this bluster from Lugar and Vionovich today. If we accept that Bush a no-joke sociopath, and I do, do we really think what these two characters are sayng will sway the prez? And what these guys are saying isn’t all that much anyway. Lugar saying that he wants a non partisan and middle of the road approach. So much blather. And besides, Cheney seems to be the one in charge.
Now I’m really beginning to miss Nixon, first there was the lie then the bumbling, covered with more lies, with the intervening time filled with death and destruction not just in Iraq, but here at home. So whats next another war, so those drunk with power can see how many countries they can destroy in the shortest amount of time?
Thomas Tobiason @ 12
Why not? They didn’t send them there with sufficient supplies in the first place. So why should now be any different?
Bob in HI
localroger @ 44
I think that is an interesting constitutional question that people can debate.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
1) Iran has working, state of the art russian anti-aircraft missiles. LOTS of them. If we send planes into Iran, we will not get all of them back.
2) There is evidence the professional military types DO NOT want a war with Iran, because they could genuinely lose. The Iranians could take out one or even two of our big carriers there if they put all their missiles on them and were willing to suffer the damage to their air force and navy. A modern carrier takes 10 years to build and costs will over a billion dollars, perhaps even 10 billion, especially if you count all the very expensive aircraft that would be lost with it. Lose two and America is a crippled giant, lose four and America is a power on the same scale as Belgium. Not a good move, geopolitically.
3) Iran is not an arab nation, it is an aryan nation. That’s right, many Iranians look like germans or swiss. They remember being called Persia, and a lot of their leaders come from non-muslim families who think Mohammed was a wannabe; their religious leaders have been around since before Jesus of Nazareth. They will NOT hesitate to attack and destroy ships of muslim nations. So they will not hesitate to mine the whole region and possibly attack Saudi and other distribution terminals. They have already publicly said that “the oil weapon is on the table” This means nothing to us, but a great deal to Europeans, who depend in some measure on Iranian oil.
4) Iran controls Hamas and Hizbollah to a greater or lesser degree. These clowns are adept at car bombings that are NOT suicides. Check out how these factions carry water for the syrians when the syrian government wants to register a complaint with a lebanese journalist or government official (said complaint is carefully written on blocks of C4 explosive and provided to the target free of charge, except for the electricity to detonate them). Now imagine these lovely people being given permission to start pulling such stunts in American.
5) If Iran does not yet have a bomb, we pull this stunt, they drive us off and have a couple of years to complete a fission nuke or two, what are they likely to do besides sending one on a donkey cart to Tel Aviv? How about a vending machine in DC? They certainly would have motive…
6) one second after the first american air strikes are confirmed over Iran, the oil markets of the world will implode. Crude will be $300 dollars a barrel and rising, WHEN you can even get it. Some say this is doomsday. I say this is the day when GM, Ford, and Chrysler roll out their new all-electric cars, with heavy discounts and coal suddenly becomes the fuel of choice for power plants. Oil drops back to $20 dollars a barrel, but nobody is buying except the chinese. NOT what Bushco wants as their endgame to this foolishness.
And BTW, Poppy Bush and his advisers are the ones who have convinced Chimpy of all this. Darth Cheny, OTOH, may not have listened…
I sure feel this way and I expect the whole nation is feeling it.
I worry about the blown up bridges, a lot.
On a much happier note, Happy B-day, LL!
Eli @ 14
How could he? His view of the world has been shaped on a daily basis by Dick Cheney for the past 6.5 years.
Bob in HI
Ooh, I’m having flashbacks, Paul & Ringo on Larry King! Larry’s in awe!!! Nice montage! *g*
argosfalcon @ 48
It’s hard for me to believe that we’ll make it to 2009 without starting a war with Iran. I think the only thing that’s stopped it so far is the fact that Iraq is such a discredited mess. It makes most people more skeptical about any case for war with Iran, plus all our troops are still bogged down in Iraq.
But hey, there’s always bombing, maybe even a nuke (you can’t tell me Dubya’s not itching to nuke somebody).
I don’t *think* a war resolution for Iran can pass Congress without provocation, so I think they’ll try to manufacture one.
Thomas Tobiason @ 12
Exactly. Precisely because Bush has nothing to lose he is a bad person to play chicken with, particularly with the lives of our GIs.
People say that cutting off the troops would not prevent an orderly withdrawal, and they are right. But whether the withdrawal would be orderly would depend totally on the orders that Bush gave.
It would be a dangerous game of chicken. And even if some Republicans join our side it will still be the same game of chicken.
Elliott @ 20
You beat punaise to the punch!
Bob in HI
Eli
have you seen the 1/2 documentary The Bases are Loaded in Iraq?
I’ll go retrieve the link
Alfred Kelgarries @ 51
Wouldn’t this be a bonanza for the military contractors, though?
Yes, I am very cynical…
Elliott @ 59
Nope, I have not.
Oh, and happy birthday to LL!
What do you think Bush has been doing? Bush has only done things in Iraq that will keep our troops in Iraq PERMANENTLY in the Permanant bases Bush is building there. One reason there are NO good solutions for leaving Iraq immediately is that Bush has done none of the planning and has taken none of the political steps that would move the US on the path to getting out.
Bush does not now, has not ever nor will in the future commit to leave Iraq. Even if Congress cut off funds, Bush would/could play a giant game of chicken by leaving the troops in Iraq until the funding runs out and daring Congress to not give our troops more money.
Congress can appropriate funds or not appropriate funds, Congress has little say over how the president uses/abuses the troops. Democrats do not have enough votes. Bush will only be forced to back down if enough GOP Congressmen and Senators defect. This is why Lugar is important.
Cheney and Bush must be impeached… Condi or Pelosi, or anyone, will initiate withdrawal when congress grows a pair.
It really is worth watching.
Here it is, Siun put it up, these are her words:
Siun says:
June 26th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Watch these republicans like Lugar and Voinovich carefully (also some of the Ds …) – I’m afraid this is all the residual troops/permanent base ploy … see the video at Dahr Jamai’s site from yesterday … very important information as we see the shift to “getting out” which often has a hidden shhhhh, don’t tell them that we’ll leave 50,000 troops there “temporarily” line hidden in the full text.
The Bases are Loaded
Give me a break. What’s so hard about pulling the troops out? You just pull them out. They could do it in a few days, I bet.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 51
One could surmise that anyone of those scenarios should be a deterrent to that nonsense, however, I’m not so sure within this Maladministration!
browny @ 62
I wish there were a way to do it without the Republicans at all; my fear is that the Republicans will be portrayed as the principled, courageous heroes rescuing the timid, ineffectual Democrats.
But also, even if Congress *does* pass, and override the veto of, a withdrawal bill, what do they do when Dubya ignores it, or just keeps finding excuses to stall?
So lets see Bushco is holding the US and the rest of the world hostage, and if anyone make a move to free us of this madness the psychopath in chief will try to set off the explosive vest he has placed on us. Where is Jack Bower when you need him.
selise @ 40
Thanks, selise. I’ll listen to that instead of my sirius for now.
Just like Daddy, a dem wins in ‘08 and this SOB starts a war w/Iran 11/08 – make the dems clean up his mess. Or not, and smear ‘em either way, too.
Guys, I am terrified of what it will take to restore my country, the USA, after these !@#$%^&* are gone, there is no way it will reflect the USA of my youth, the ’60s. We are now totalitarian and will take a generation to do otherwise. Likewise, at least that long to purge the judiciary, and that’s only if things are done according to the current laws. Our saving grace is ‘the rule of law’ as opposed to ‘the rule of men’, right?
Eli @ 56
see h.con.r.21.
not a war resolution – just the justification for one. passed the house last week with 2 no votes.
this has all been happening pretty much without comment. although this morning, juan cole (bless him) wrote a whole post on it. so i hope the word will spread and we can start holding our congress critters accountable.
Elliott @ 64
Cool, will check it out. Thanks for the tip!
Years ago I was responsible for enforcing a complex state statute that was very similar to a statute in another state that was declared unconstitutional. My boss asked me to apply it anyway, saying that we might as well use it since we had it.
I wonder if Cheney and Bush feel that way about nuclear weapons.
Eli @ 72
thank Siun!
So Bush’s ego (okay, Cheney’s ego is not irrelevant here) is keeping us in this pointless, destructive occupation.
Eli, you’re so right that for Bush/Co, “leaving=losing.” Only Republicans could think that way, but they have a long tradition of that line of thought—it goes at least back to Vietnam. As long as their necks, and their kids’ necks, aren’t on the chopping block, who cares about the entire rest of the world?
I’m now on my third time quoting this junior-high-school kid, from the Raleigh News & Observer, on how the war can be brought to an end:
>>
“‘I don’t think it’s never going to stop unless someone finds the courage to back down.’
Gary Anderson, a Smithfield eighth-grader
>>
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/567687.html
An 8th-grader knows more than the president does about war and courage. How can we hope to get out with a minimum of destruction?
selise @ 71
Oh, brilliant. What a bunch of clueless tools. I can’t believe Reps like Waxman or Sanders would vote for something like that.
localroger @ 44
They’ve already laid the groundwork for that.
And are there enough troops in this country and enough patriotic officers here to stand up and say oh no, this will not happen on my watch?
I live about 10 miles from West Point and my town is full of Army staff from that base. They don’t look kindly on me when I show up in stores, restaurants, movie lines with shirts that call for the impeachment of the chimp or when I have antiwar.com attire on.
james @ 69
if you do… i’d be very interested in knowing, at some point, what you think.
Blue Dido @ 75
That’s perfect. Unfortunately, backing down is something Dubya refuses to do. He doesn’t mind being proved a fool, a psychopath, a monster – anything but a *gasp* coward.
Eli… hate to blogwhore, but will you look at this?
selise @ 78
roger that.
The US isn’t leaving Iraq while Bush is in the White House. They’ll let the messy withdrawal happen on President
Clinton 2.0’sEdwards’ watch. The Democratic president gets ALL the blame for “losing” Iraq. Then a Republican gets elected in 2012.james @ 77
That’s as may be, but I think there’s still a pretty fair distance between hating us dirty hippies, and having no regard for the Constitution or rule of law. I think the latter faction probably does exist in the military, but I don’t think they’re a majority.
cleter @ 82
See my #70
Eli, you are so right. Sociopath in the WHouse. I guess it was just a matter of time before it happened. (There’s a great book, btw, The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout, Ph.D., where one of the examples sounds a lot like Bush.
browny@62–permanent is the word. Bush & Co. will never leave Iraq as long as there is a drop of oil left.
Eli @ 76
pelosi voted for it. mcgovern voted for it (my rep).
you see why i’ve been freaking out a bit?
What is so hard about pulling these troops out? I’m serious. They could do it in a week. It’s not that hard. They don’t want to, but that’s different.
They say this shit all the time, but it’s just not true. Remember how Bush said that one of the reasons they had to invade Iraq ASAP was because the war had to be fought before the summer, when it would be too hot? Going on our fourth summer now. Don’t believe the hype!
Dover Bitch @ 80
Well, hell – I coulda just linked to that and taken the night off…
Eli@79
Yes, and that’s why I keep linking to it. It’s the most profound statement I’ve seen about this war. Talk about “out of the mouths of babes.” But Bush is perfectly capable of ignoring the plain truth.
Why can’t we just declare victory and go home?! After all, the point of the invasion was “Saddam has got to go.” He’s long gone by now.
Eli @ 35
That’s a pretty common theme from Republicans since the Bay of Pigs. But, there’s nothing to be done about that. We just have to adjust.
Eli @ 88
Ha! No way, your post is great. I have been wondering for a while now if it would be less costly to leave the troops in Iraq until a competent administration can get them out.
Why can’t we just declare victory and go home?!
Boy, I’ve wondered about that. He could have pulled all the troops out after Mission Accomplished Day. All the news media would have left, too. There would have been minimal news coverage in the US of any post-conflict chaos. I’m surprised he didn’t do that.
Dover Bitch @ 91
Well, I linked to it anyway. I could use a nap.
Hi y’all.
It is really scary to have someone that crazy and pathological in the white house. I think maybe we have two of them.
SnarKassandra @ 94
I would also count Rove, and Rumsfeld before he was fired.
SnarKassandra @ 94
One’s in the White House, the other is in an undisclosed location.
Eli @ 95
for starters
LoudounLib @ 96
Physically *and* constitutionally.
Do they really mean that withdrawing our troops is more difficult than keeping them there, in a war zone where they’re being shot at and car bombed everyday?
I would like to be assured that the people with their finger on the nuclear button are sane.
That picture at the top does not reassure me: ever covered up one side of the face and then the other? That is more than a smirk; that is a left-side-against-the-right-side dual expression. OK, MAYBE, just MAYBE it’s the lighting.
I would like to be sure it’s just the lighting …
Eli @ 98
Heh — yep!
OT
Hi LL
Did you get some cake today?
cleter @ 92
Wouldn’t have worked. They needed to stay to force some semblance of a government as a fig leaf for the oil grab.
Ashcroft might have neen the sanest. I blame Colin Powell for a lot of the mess.
Off topic, but anytime Coulter gets slammed, it’s worth watching:http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/26/236510.aspx
we need this all over the MSM now.
Elliott @ 102
Look at her facebook page :)
Elliott, one of my friends went one better — homemade blueberry pie!
behindthefall @ 100
Funny thing is, the page I found that picture on was about *precisely* that.
Eli- I certainly remember the comments here at FDL by Joe Wilson that Perris is referring to. About having to fight our way out. Like Perris, that was where I first heard of the difficulties.
It was on a book salon thread, and the comments were very interesting. Alas, I’m not sure that my googling is up to finding the comments. But, they are worth re-reading. It seems that Gilliard and Joe Wilson were/ are on the same page.
SnarKassandra @ 106
Yes indeed, lots of it there ;-)
Okay, gang. For tonight’s Late Nite and Late Late Nite we’ve got battling Anns, Coulter and Althouse. Which one do you want first?
SnarKassandra @ 106
Chocolate! you devil!
ccmask @ 104
God help us all.
I think Powell is sane, just chickenshit. Was more Seriousness window dressing than inner circle, though.
TRex @ 111
(jumping up and down)
Ohhhh, Coultergeist please…
LoudounLib @ 107
Sounds mighty nice!
LoudounLib @ 114
TRex it is her birthday — you have to listen.
Here’s an interesting piece of this story: Via Jack Balkin, Cheney is brain damaged.
LoudounLib @ 96
speaking of, here’s a bit of old cheney humor for those who might have missed it at the time:
http://www.cbs.com/latenight/l…..0320.phtml
hope you had a great birthday LL! Sorry about the soggy weather.
Eli @ 108
Hah! (Oh darn; now I feel awful.)
TRex @ 111
has to include the Coulter creature
TRex @ 111
Coulter!!!
Thanks oddmommy!
TRex @ 111
The Coulter one – WHAM!
Check out this poll.
Oh, and vote!
Okay, Loudoun, since it’s your birthday, Coulter first.
sociopath …
consider Paul Levy’s proposal that BDS
is Malignant Egophrenia.
see “The Madness of George W. Bush: a reflection of our collective psychosis“
BDS = bush derangement syndrome
TRex @ 124
Yay, thank you!
Dover Bitch @ 117
weird.
boxer @ 105
I added a space after “watching:” to activate the link.
SnarKassandra @ 127
The good news is that I can say with 99% certainty that your ventromedial prefrontal cortex is working perfectly.
2 things.
When Jane put out her recommendation for Glenn’s book yesterday, it was at #156. I see today it moved up a bit. Just sayin’.
And I’d like to ask permission to read Hitchen’s book ‘God is not great’ from the group. My parents would so hate me, so I want to read it.
Man, that’s a creepy picture of Teh Commander Guy. His eyes are all flat and dead like a shark’s or a catfish.
*shudder*
Elliott @ 115
My grandmother, who basically raised me, and who has been gone for a quarter century now, used to bake me a bluberry pie every single week. Just for me. With lard crust. The works. God I miss you Grandma. Blueberry pie is still my fave, dear one.
yellowdog jim @ 125
BDS: to be included in the upcoming DSM-V
SnarKassandra @ 127
If he only had a brain
yellowdog jim @ 125
For myself I’d rather have Bush derangement syndrome than Deranged bush syndrome
I’d like to see the retired generals, the good ones who wouldn’t kiss this administration’s rear (including Colin Powell)get together as a think tank and come up with a plan for getting our troops out. On paper, and on the record. If George and Patreas decide on another failing course, it would
show the world what idiots they are. If the world needs further convincing. (Apparently the American congress does.)
LoudounLib @ 114
I second that emotion!
One more (if I cussed — and it’s getting harder and harder not to — this would be where I’d insert the appropriate inappropriate adjective) development from Mr. Fear-Based Sociopath’s reign:
US university students will not be able to work late at the campus, travel abroad, show interest in their colleagues’ work, have friends outside the United States, engage in independent research, or make extra money without the prior consent of the authorities, according to a set of guidelines given to administrators by the FBI.
This comes from an article on Press Esc dot com entitled “FBI to restrict student freedoms.”
Time to step outside and scream.
TRex @ 124
Voted.
Too bad there isn’t a category for “Why can’t this skanky blonde ho with the psychotic mouth find something to wear besides a black cocktail dress?” Ugh. I wish the sunglasses covered more than her eyes.
TRex @ 131
Kinda like is mom.
Good New today was that the Griles will locked away for 10 months. YA! Now, who’s next? Oh! It will be Scooter boy. Get him out that Dicko if you can!
I was also on the thread where Joe Wilson said that too and I remember how everyone kind of freaked out hearing it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 132
Wow! the real thing!
TRex @ 131
You should have seen my original choice…
Elliott @ 133
Heh, heh!!!
OT
Hi Rayne,
Congratulations on the sale
Hope you know where you’re going!
ccmask @ 141
You know what freaked folks out that thread? I think it was that it rang of the truth, and we don’t hear the truth often enough. We’re out of practice, has a visceral effect on us.
Pretty damned sad when the truth is so rare that it can raise the hackles on one’s neck and raise gooseflesh.
AZ Matt @ 140
Which Republican pundit was it who said that the Bush administration has been remarkably scandal-free?
SnarKassandra @ 94
Yeah; a megalomaniac, and a sociopath. What a pair.
G’devening, Cassie!
Bob in HI
OKK, grandmas are awesome ;-)
TRex @ 124
TRex, I saw her on Chris Matthews (hurriedly switched channels) and I just knew you’d be tarring and feathering her to-Nite !!! *g*
I’m sad that every time Ann (choose one) acts up, we all pull over to watch.
It’s what she wants, people. It’s what fuels her. We need to turn away.
Rayne @ 139
You get right to the point, and sharply, too.
Elliott @ 16
Not gonna happen unless we nuke Iran!
NONE of our troops will be slaughtered ‘coming home’ unless WE nuke Iran.
They will be safe to redeploy to the 6 bases, and they will be safe THERE! (for the most part, for a while)
C’mon people . . . .
We are NOT leaving the mideast, no matter WHO we phreakin elect, be it Al Gore or Alfred E Phreakin Neuman!
The System Is In Place.
And ANTIWAR/ANTI-INTERVENTIONIST people (me) here at home have NO ONE in ANY position of power who will enable our desires.
So get used to us being there. Period.
care what happens to it.
SO, get over these worries, and think about how you intend to live with an ONGOING NEW COLD WAR over oil, in the MidEast, cuz that’s the game, and it’s already FAST in place . . .
And NO Dem Pretzel is gonna change THAT!!! Male OR Female!
The progressives had best begin to refigger out what it IS they are fighting for and what they want, cuz coming out of Iraq or the ME in SUM TOTO is NOT going to happen in OUR lifetimes (29 years) . . . unless we nuke Iran, in which case, all bets are off and it’s a clusterfuck of major proportions and our troops ARE slaughtered in retreat.
And I’ve been convinced, unless a Rogue BoyKing goes off (the tossing of Shooter tells me we are safe from doing Iran) insane, doing Iran ain’t gonna happen . . . not cuz WE want it . . .
Isreal, now THAT’S an ugly hidden card and they are UNPREDICTABLE!
They could EASILY bait USA into coming to their rescue, and that may involve nukes . . . .
Yep, duck and cover, all over again, for another generation . . .
Hug yer family, keep yer lives simple, and ignore it all . . . . get yer homes, keep yer jobs, and take care of yer kids.
. . . unless you WANT to take it to the streets of USA like in the 70’s by the MILLIONS, NOTHING is going to change for a progressive agenda in support of the masses.
Harumph.
Eli (and Dover Bitch):
I think you’ve got a hold of something here. Sociopaths seem to me to have this “nonchalance” about death that is truly disturbing. This coupled with Bush’s comment on the Iraq war being nothing but a “comma” really puts his whole mental state into question. It’s also telling that he (and his friends) find no shame whatsoever in anything they do…they’re always right. That’s gotta be the most distressing part of your whole analysis.
Elliott @ 145
Thanks, Elliott! While I don’t have any idea yet where I’m going in a philosophical sense, I’m already there, so to speak. We built a house two years ago and are finally, FINALLY selling the old house.
The market was so bad here that we elected to rent it out for a while. But we discovered we were not cut out to be slumlords, particularly after the last renter from hell. We were very fortunate that the house was on the market just over 4 weeks; a similar house just down the street had been listed for over a year and is still sitting there.
Petrocelli @ 150
So you missed the smack-down?!! Such a thing of beauty, and the audience applauded! Evening!
Eli @ 143
Well we can’t deny that Bush is one HELL of a leader.
LoudounLib @ 107
Yum, yum!
Bob in HI
james @ 24
Thank you for your experiences and a modicum of sanity with regards to any potential but unlikely full withdrawals.
Eli-
Okay, I found one FDL link to what Joe Wilson said- Jane highlighted his comments.
Not As Easy As It Looks
~~snip “[W]ith every passing day the situation becomes ever more grave. I worry that we might actually have to fight our way out. There are no magic bullets.”~~~
Loo Hoo. @ 136
… waves to Loo Hoo …
They did some powerful ads for votevet, then disappeared.
I agree that having them together would be a very insightful blog … I seriously doubt the MSM would have them do a press conference.
Is it true that Larry King bumped Michael Moore for Paris Hilton, tonight? Did he think that he would be the first to bump her, or is this another sign the MSM has lost their moral compass ?!!
This all just points again to the necessity to impeach. Shooter first then Shrub. There is enough out in the open to do it if the Dems would stop mincing words and call treason treason, war crimes war crimes, corruption corruption. If they make the case starkly and loudly, and repeatedly, there will be enough repugs who are either grossed out or know they are in a losing position and will flip. The only need 10 in the Senate and there are at least 10 who will realize their only chance of survival is to distance them selves from this criminal administration. Impeach now!
Valley Girl @ 109
The Gilliard post, which Jane Hamsher invited Steve to double from his own blog, is here. The occasion was indeed a salon with Amb. Wilson, last December. By that time, Steve had been all over the issue for quite a while, though he probably deserves more extra attribution for his diligence and thoroughness here than for the insight that U.S troops might have been led into a sack, because as he says, if you just look at a map and at a few related geopolitical realities, it darned well looks like a sack.
So, Eli has now motivated me to crawl through THE NEWS BLOG archives to begin to get a handle on what Steve wrote on the subject. It’s a little slow: do not try it without broadband!!. But there’s so much good stuff there.
Petrocelli @ 161
What moral compass?
Balrog @ 130
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Repubs are losing ground with the youth(But Cassie already knew that!): NYT Link
LoudounLib @ 126
Commander LoudounLib must be obeyed! :-)
Bob in HI
Atikar @ 154
Another favorite was his humorous retelling of how he and Laura were temporarily rousted to some secure location in their pajamas and fuzzy slippers. They had a good laugh about it, apparently.
Two psychologist friends of mine say Bush is afflicted with “perseveration” which may accompany ADD. People with perseveration CANNOT change course or stop what they are doing.
lol Bob! ;-)
hawkseye @ 169
THEN LET’S STOP IT FOR HIM!
I saw about five minutes of “Hardball” earlier. What I liked was how Matthews called Coulter “a skinny WASP”, in response to Coulter referring to Monica Lewinsky as “a chubby Jewish girl”.
Rayne @ 139
Sing it, Rayne … sing it loud and drown her out !
Petrocelli @ 161
Tonite, the remainder of the Fab Four was on, Tomorrow nite is Paris!!!
Valley Girl @ 160
Thanks. I think I have to stick with the Gilliard, though – he really did own that topic for a while there. What a terrible loss.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
Why would he do that? He’s GOT Iraq!!!
IT’S THE OIL AND POWER OF HAVING THE OIL! The biggest reserves left on the planet as far as we know (be funny if Siberia comes up with more oil than the MIDEAST, wouldn’t it) . . .
No need to disrupt things at this point, the american people don’t count anymore for voting . . . and the next pres will keep Iraq one way or the other . . .
Why would BOYKING want to take out and prevent Iran from ANY fantasy of nuke capability (the fakey supposition by which we WOULD do Iran)?
Only ISREAL really cares, and that’s the DICEYEST card on the table, only, NO ONE wants to hold THEM accountable for sucking us into THEIR nightmare.
BoyKing and his PTB Handlers got what they want . . . and Cheney/Rove go under the bus.
Whether the neocon’s go under bus too I’m not sure of yet . . . . neocon’s are wierd, they eat their own and change colors and spots so fast, it’s hard to tell who’s side they are on anymore . . . .
It’s certainly become more interesting and complicated lately, unless you follow the money, the oil, and the power.
Eli at 168 said:
“Another favorite was his humorous retelling of how he and Laura were temporarily rousted to some secure location…”
Ahh, yes. I remember it dearly. As if he was a child going thru some fire emergency drill at his prep school. God it sort of makes you want to gag.
He is taking this whole GWOT thing rather well, don’tcha think
CTuttle @ 156
Hey CT, woefully behind on this thread … the girls’ last day of school is tomorrow and they are too excited to sleep … *g*
The assignment of “motives” gets tricky, at this point.
I think that bush is probably, at some DEEP Jungian level, going:
“What have I done? All these people dead; all this money spent. Absolutely NO end in sight.
My own father going shithouse-rat crazy (thanks again, Steve… :o) ) at the prospect of the family name being changed to “stupid warpimp assholes”.
I’ve dragged us off whatever moral high ground we had, and down into Abu Charnal- House swamp…WTF!!!???”
But he cannot; durst not; go conscious with that. When it starts to bubble up, he probably thinks it’s Satan, trying to mindfuck him.
At this point, it’s either/or.
He somehow miraculously turns around the war, and his plunge into the Marianias Trench of presidential approval ratings, or he, and the republican party, become political fossils; with historians decades from now dissecting all the lies and bullshit that they used to get us into this bloody debacle, like high school biology students carving up a frog.
There is no graceful way out of the shitmire for ANY of us. Least of all, the man who hurled us into it. And that, good firedogs, is his, and the GOP’s, last refuge.
It’s Richard Lugar, feinting toward the gangplank with his “The surge isn’t working” statement yesterday, but THEN, he’s followed by one of his aides (don’t you love the splitting of the “tongues” here?) saying that Lugar STILL won’t support a democratic bill for a fixed withdrawal date, or one that mandates troop drawdowns in the near future.
He’s saying, as clearly as a choirboy singing Bach:
“We know it’s all fucked up and is only going to get worse, but we think that the democrats are angry enough (and stupid enough) to somehow force troop withdrawals on bush, which will almost completely exculpate US, the party who voted almost unanimously to pull the trigger, from all the short-term and long-term shit that’s almost certain to follow withdrawal.
In fact, we think it’s going to be so fucked up that we DARE you guys to give us that “get out of jail free” card, and start forcing withdrawals without the names of any meaningful number of republicans on the legislation.”
Of course, the “dare” is going to get less and less emphatic with every week that passes. :o)
The putative frontrunner, Guiliani, is reduced to casket-chasing down in Charleston, at the service for the 9 firefighters who died there, a few days ago, in that tragic fire.
Today, he was fellating Pat Roberts and 650 well-heeled closet snaketwirlers, at Robertson’s “university” of whateverthefuck.
Oh. His campaign manager in S.C., Thomas Ravenal, was just indicted on federal charges of distributing cocaine in 2005. :o)
And, we aint seen nuthin’ yet.
Eli; no butter on my popcorn, please. :o)
Geeky humor moment:
I saw on my playlist for Night Music tonight the following title:
Richard Strauss: “Macbeth”, after Shakespeare’s Drama for Large Orc.
“Orc”=”Orchestra”, I know, but I couldn’t help but picture one of these sitting in the orchestra pit, brandishing an ax.
Atikar @ 177
Are you kidding? It’s the best thing that ever happened to him. And that’s really all that matters.
Petrocelli @ 173
I thought wingnut welfare paid better, you know? I can’t think of a time that I’ve seen her on television in the last two years when she wasn’t wearing a black cocktail dress. You’d think one of her peeps would have told her by now that they aren’t flattering on her, and they only serve to punctuate visually what we can already hear — she’s without regard for social norms, like changing your dress so you don’t like you’re working your way home from last night’s pub crawl.
TRex @ 111
Coulter. What menu choices you give us, TRex.
TRex @ 179
how’d they get Cheney to play the part?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Betcha Lugar’s meeting at the White House tomorrow is with Darth and not Chimpy.
Rayne @ 181
Like the walk of shame… ;-)
I’d pay to see Coulter and Rush mud-wrestle. I can’t honestly predict which would win. Actually, it would be a disgusting spectacle. Now that I think about it, I don’t want that picture in my brain after all…
boing boing boing boing boing boing
Super-duper cannonball with humongous splash drenching everyone at the Lake (including the front pagers) – a birthday wish requested by LL – the segments of the splash that miraculously avoided all birthday cakes and gifts lands, as requested, on the Bulgarian judge.
g’evening everyone.
Suzanne @ 187
Brava!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 172
It seems Mz. Coulter is merely playing a part — the role of an unbelievably cruel, nasty hag. We can only hope she has invested her earnings well ’cause — just like the guy who used to perform “drunk comedy” and was a regular in Vegas and with Johnny Carson, until everybody pretty much decided they’d had their fill of his brand of humor.
Regardless of one’s political leanings, we’re just about all there — had our fill and then some — of Mz. Coulter, I think. She’s just a flash in the pan and not worthy of venom. She only deserves our inattention.
Eli and prostrate-
I did not say, and never meant to say that Gilliard did not own the topic. What I was pointing out was that it was via Joe Wilson’s comments at FDL that I became aware of the issue.
No Easy Calls On Iraq
~~~ (from CHS) Amb. Joseph Wilson has graciously agreed to join in on a discussion here today regarding the mess that is Iraq, diplomacy, regional difficulties, the potential for American soliders having to fight their way out if and when we finally do leave Iraq and a whole host of other issues surrounding the chaotic failure in which the Bush Administration has mired us. (My words, not Joe’s — I’ll let him characterize this on his own in the comments.)~~~
Suz! That was the best. cannonball. EVAH!
Eli @ 180
Actually, I think the best thing that happened to him was that Uncle Dick agreed to run the country for him while he made his Air Ranger/Commander Guy/Decider appearances. He really reminds me of the president character in “The Day After Tomorrow” a rather mediocre movie, with a great premise…but the characters of the President and the Veep are spot on for Shooter and Shrub.
Suzanne @ 187
Sputter, sputter, where’s the towels, Ma Cheri??? ;-)
Woops! Rudy’s big talking point for the godly crowd at Pat’s place, was that Bill led to all this shit, because he wouldn’t bomb SOMEFUCKINGBODY after the first attack on the WTC.
Isn’t that novel? It’s all Big Dog’s fault. :o)
part 4
Suzanne @ 187
Wow! Good thing I got a tipoff in advance from cassie and was wearing my umbrella hat! Welcome back Suzanne. We are currently mulling over Cheney’s lack of a functional brain, giving Balrog permision from Sauron to read God Is A Dickhead from chrissy hitchey, and wondering whether Dick Lugar will be shot in the face as he walks through the door, or if the shotgun will accidentally discharge later.
Eli @ 50
Huh, come the time to decide which way to flop DEBATE will NOT be a choice, hoss . . . it will mano a mano.
CTuttle @ 174
What an intellectual nosedive in just 24 hours !!! *g*
Which is more likely to happen …
… Paris is going to cry while claiming to have found God or …
… I am going to throw a potted Hibiscus at my T.V
Bubble Boy’s not the Deciderer, he’s The Blood-Bather-In-Chief, is he not?
It’s an Oedipal War.
And Bubble Boy’s not outdoing his own Daddy.
That’s gotta hurt.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 186
I’d pay not to.
Valley Girl @ 190
Okay, no worries. I had missed that chat, so I’ve always associated it with Gilly.
Fourth Branch, Part the Fourth
Atikar @ 192
Except didn’t the fake veep turn into a human at the end?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 165
Yay! Thanks Alfred. To the Bat Poles!
CTuttle @ 193
Cool cannonball! Did you even splash the Albanian judge too?
AK at 195…
I nearly peed my pants reading your recap. Spot ON!
Welcome Suzanne and thanks to the girth of the Russian judge I was hiding behind…
HA HA Missed me with your splash!
No Blood for Hubris @ 199
On the contrary, he’s done a *lot* more than his daddy. It’s just that it’s all been bad.
larue @ 176
ya, it’s not “getting” the oil, it’s having [controling] the oil
notice how Iraq is producing LESS oil since we invaded?
Iraq is supposed to have untapped reserve that shame their original cache of oil
add to that oil companies consolidated and actually closed down refeneries here in the states, some of them the most prolific
I have no link for that, heard it in an interview on air america
they just want to reduce supply
we need to break up the oil industry just like we need to break ownership of the media
and we need to get altermative as fast as possible
Eli @ 201
A major flaw in the movie fer shur!! I don’t think it would ever happen that way…after all Dick ain’t got a good ticker!
Towels are under your chairs or hammocks.. everyone is everyone, cassie, even the albanian guy wearing a fancy watch.
Other Pat @ 189
You’ll want to turn your head and look away in a few minutes, then, cos I hawked up a big ol’ loogie and spat it right in Annie’s gaunt, horsey face.
larue @ 197
It was a joke – that was the same phrase Dana Perino used to dodge questions about whether Cheney occupied an actual branch of the government or not.
Petrocelli @ 197
Spare the Hibiscus, Paris is already saying she wants to start a half-way home for fellow inmates…!!! *g*
Balrog @ 151
That is a good point, kinda like FOX news. The only thing is, it’s just so far out….it’s like watching a wierd murder mystery. You know when you should avert your eyes, but you watch anyway.
I agree though, that Matthews should not give her a platform.
Whatever makes you guys think there is going to be an 08 election? Sail a Nuke under the Golden Gate Bridge, and goodbye democracy, the boy king will rule forever. Say hello to concentration camps, say hello to all sorts of things this guy just loves about the Nazi’s. It was nice while it lasted.
Rayne @ 182
She wanted to step away from her prior kitsch – Devil in a Blue Dress … and this is as far as she got … *g*
Alfred Kelgarries @ 51
Phreakin beautiful, and thanks for stating it all as is . . . it’s on the money AFAIC.
We won’t be doing Iran, we WILL be staying for a LONG time in Iraq.
The rest depends on Isreal not screwing us . . . . we MIGHT get out of this without nukes flyin . . .
Cold War is on, and has been, since we invaded Iraq. And ShrubCo and the neocon’s are NOT to blame . . PTB, PTB, all the way, called THIS one.
Like they call all of them.
I did not know this. If Cheney gets impeached , he may get to “preside” over his own trial.
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The Senate has the sole power to try impeachments. The Vice President is the President of the Senate. He presides.
The Constitution provides for only one exception in cases of impeachment: “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.” That’s because of the obvious conflict-of-interest of having the VP preside when the President is tried.
Obviously, a conflict of interest arises if the VP were to preside over his own impeachment. But there’s no similar provision for having someone else preside if the Vice President is impeached.
I just posted my favorite Bush pix, but I think I stole one of them from here.
Eli @ 211
Ms Perino hasn’t yet mastered the art of appearing cool, calm and collected under fire. You can see some of the physical changes!
TeddySanFran @ 202
I recall another Reich that worked this way once….
oh, this is interesting…according to binder on air america cheney doesn’t even qualify for vice president constitutionally
something about being from the same state and cheney moved out of texas just to qualify
that’s like going through a parkinglot to avoid a lot, you’re deliberately obstructing the purpose of the law
SnarKassandra @ 205
A Su-nami if ever I saw one !!! *g*
TRex @ 211
Well, that’s always been a skill I wish I had, but with four boys I live the loogie-life vicariously. Thanks for doing it for me, TRex! And thanks for all your posts — I thoroughly enjoy them.
Eureka Springs @ 63
Not hardly!!!
There’s money to be made, ma’am.
That trumps all . . . gender has NOTHING to do with a kinder gentler profiteering at that level . . . .
CTuttle @ 213
It will be fun to see if her image makeover will be more successful than Martha Stewart’s …
perris @ 221
That’s pretty much their approach to the law in a nutshell, though. It’s something to be avoided or circumvented, not upheld. Unless you’re one of the little people, of course.
Frank33 @ 218
I would actually love to see cheney preside over the evidence against him…the man is mad you know, he would absolutely loose control
he would also not show up thinking that would for-stall the trial, however the senate would pull a “recess appointment”
I’m just having fun, I have to say I am now dissilusioned that abu torture couldn’t get impeached if cheney presided over the trial, cheney would make every ruling for abu, he might even pronounce a summary judgement
Yeay!!!!!
I got Trex’s Zed!!!!!
I agree with Balrog about not giving the “Anne’s” a platform here….unless it REALLY REALLY embarrases her infront of her coworkers.
perris @ 222
The constitution sez the electors from any state may not cast votes for a prez and veep from that state (it’s a convoluted way to prevent just what we have — two texans at the top). But there was a 2000 court case, which decided (James Baker III heavily involved) that Cheney really lived in Wyoming, since he’d been a Congressman from there in the eighties.
Even though he’d been registered to vote in Texas for, like, eight years.
8.2 from the judge in Southern California. And thanks for not splashing those lovely cakes!
okay, lakers, I’ve speed scanned the part 4, twice. In general , it is all about how dick cheney murdered fish, people 9/11 fist responders, and in the process set chimpy up for a direct head on collision with the supreme court, just for funsies.
Iam not joking, they include gut-wenching full color pictures of giant salmon dying in a dried up riverbed. Chrissy Todd Whitman is the protagonist here, a lady devoted to science, truth, and the welfare of ordinary people; cheney is a big-business thug who “hides his tracks” and spreads a web of loyalists “who depend on him for their career” through the bureaucracy.
The Cheney Shadow government is also a major meme here, strongly reinforced at Bush’s expense to some degree. Here are the last four paras, that are a perfect summation of the whole four part piece:
“The end result, which she said was written at the direction of the White House and announced in August 2003, vastly broadened the definition of routine maintenance. It allowed some of the nation’s dirtiest plants to make major modifications without installing costly new pollution controls.
By that time, Whitman had already announced her resignation, saying she wanted to spend more time with her family. But the real reason, she said, was the new rule.
“I just couldn’t sign it,” she said. “The president has a right to have an administrator who could defend it, and I just couldn’t.”
A federal appeals court has since found that the rule change violated the Clean Air Act. In their ruling, the judges said that the administration had redefined the law in a way that could be valid “only in a Humpty-Dumpty world.” “
Or the Fourth Branch of Government.
I won’t be able to write this up until tomorrow. I am food-coma-ed from being up with only 4 hours sleep and random vending machine snacks while guiding my dad through Medical Purgatory today. The outcome was very good, but I’m exhausted and have barely a dozen working synapses. Thanks for all the kind words. I’ll try to live up to them. (returns to lurk mode, phasing in and out slowly…)
Other Pat @ 189
This flash in the pan has been at it for over a decade, acting as a key part of the echo chamber drowning out progressives and poisoning the well against liberalism.
I wish it was enough to ignore her, but we’ve done that and it didn’t stop her. At some point, silence is consent.
And there’s no fricking way I consent to having good people like the Edwards family attacked without retribution by the likes of such a wretch.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 165
Even Loompaniks was giant to a small enough dog. Just ask Bob. (Damn, I probably blew that, since I haven’t moved my books in yet).
I look forward to reading your part 4 Alfred. Had a ball reading it today.
Tanbark @ 179
TAN!! Where ya been ya coot . . .
So, are we staying forever in Iraq, or, not? Are the dem’s the same as the Pub’s? Are the neocon’s goin under the bus, or, did THEY throw Cheney and Rove to the wolves?
Get to the good stuff, will ya, and stop with the flowery prose!!!! *G*G*
BTW, the guy that took over for Rudy’s coke whore? It’s his DAD!! The coke whore’s dad, that is. And he’s no saint if ya look him up!?!?!?!
You been in the river too long, hoss . . . *G*G*
Frank33 @ 216
Actually, The Chief Justice presides over the Senate Trial!
I wonder if reducing the troops means also reducing the contractors. Or will the contractors stay until thqat big a@@ embassy is finished being built. That embassy will be a monument to Bush’s stupidity for many years to come.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 233
Did my own annotating of 1-3 and some discussion over on the Agonist (after stealing shamelessly from some cranky old loon) and came to the conclusion that this summer, Freddie will be taking over for Darth. He’s paid his dues, he won’t really change policy, and this is the best shot the GOP has of staying in power in 08. There are enough Cheney-connected sources on record in the piece that it looks likely he is (perhaps reluctantly) in on the deal.
<a href=”#comment-783659″ rel=”nofollow”><em>GordonM @ 240</em></a>
<blockquote> . . . . There are enough Cheney-connected sources on record in the piece that it looks likely he is (perhaps reluctantly) in on the deal.</blockquote>
That would not only be quite disappointing for me, but, it’s brilliant.
I hope it all blows up soon . . . ********!!!
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In the Cheney Wapo series, did everyone see this “cast of characters” page?
Rayne @ 234
You’re right, of course. She’s just so purely evil that I have a hard time believing she exists without a remote-control device and an antenna. Surely after today, the Edwards family feels the support of sane Americans.
Whoops got sidetracked on the Annscum discussion. Here’s a link I often used to leave at The News BLog about such as General PetAss and ‘President Death’s’ excellent adventure in The MeatGrinder. Over a hundred years ago the British found out in Khartoum that a retreat…
Sometimes did not work.
ModNote:
Exhortations of, or allusions to, violence against anyone will not be tolerated.
As “I’ll cover BOTH my asses!” as Lugar’s statement was (actually, it was yesterday) it’s still a damn good yardstick for how much the pressure on bush is mounting. :o)
In fairly short order, it’s going to become unbearable.
That’s what we need, guys. REPUBLICAN hands on the ‘nad-vise. :o)
I have some doubts that Petraeus will open up a bushCo koolaid stand in September, at the expense of the U.S. military. I hope he’s decent enough to refuse to pimp the war for bush and the borgs.
It’s fucking rediculous to think that any “gains” from the splurge will be sustainable by the Iraqi “army”. The only way this little tamping-down can be made to last until the elections is if our troops are made to do it. And just like in Anbar province, the tamping will come at a cost.
It looks like Gordon Brown is reneging on Blair’s promise to start drawing down by 1600 troops, this spring and summer, but he HAS to do this, in the near future. The Labour party is looking at their part in the debacle, and thinking the same “We are brontosaurs looking up at the meteor-and-we are fucked!” thoughts as the GOP is, here.
I’m sorry, but it IS a game of chicken, and we got the bad-ass “truthrooster”, Larue. :o)
CCMask; how can the contractors stay in the green zone, without our military there to prevent it’s becoming a world-class mortar training range?
The insurgents will simply tell all the Iraqis:
“This is not a good place for you to hide out. Syria calls.” and that will be that.
(If they’re willing to give them a chance to boogie…)
FWIW, and obviously really late to this string, but I kept bringing this up during the votes on war funding in comments at Salon (War Room and Greenwald), but got the “he’s just a concern troll” brush-off.