My first Zed?

Run Al, Run!!

Sorry to go OT so early but Tuckery is back and yapping with Pantsload Goldberg.

So don’t waste yer time there today.

Oklahoma kiddo will be happy with Gore’s pic.

I bought Gore’s new book and I keep meaning to read it, but the problem is I do a lot of my reading in the bath and I don’t want to get the book messy! :(

ccmask @ 4

Oklahoma kiddo will be happy with Gore’s pic.

Even after seeing the movie Gore did, my 11 year old son refuses to associate him with anything but Manbearpig on South Park. I don’t think he’d get the middle school vote so he better run now before they get a little older.

Scumbag Jonah Goldberg is sucking off Cheney on Tucker. He loves him because he just doesn’t care!

A snip of an email Al Gore sent out this week..

Wow. Already more than 4,000 people have scheduled Live Earth House Parties in over 80 countries.

Live Earth is only 12 days away, but there’s still plenty of time to schedule your own party.

Sign up to host a House Party right here:

http://joinliveearth.org/gore

On July 7, the world will stand united as never before, demanding action on the climate crisis. Hundreds of thousands of people will attend Live Earth concerts in person. Another two billion or more will watch the shows in homes, theaters, online, and other public venues. In fact NBC will be televising Live Earth and even more extensive coverage will be available on MSN.

If you host a Live Earth Party, I’ll appear by video and help urge your guests to take action to solve the climate crisis.

We will give you all the tools you need to make your Live Earth Party a success. Getting started is as easy as clicking the link below and signing up.

http://joinliveearth.org/gore

OT (dakine started it!), might I assume someone is working on a post on yesterday’s Libby filing re: release pending appeal?

Oh please. Our teachers have been telling us we need to take care of the earth since the first grade! We all know that fossil fuels will run out some day.

I read that Emily Yoffe hit piece yesterday and was just dumbfounded at the absolute level of cluelessness she exhibited.

I guess cluelessness is a pre-requisite for appearances on the WaPo0 op-ed pages, Eugene Robinson and EJ Dionne being the notable exceptions. Wonder how they’ve managed to keep their positions this long?

dakine01 @ 11

I read that Emily Yoffe hit piece yesterday and was just dumbfounded at the absolute level of cluelessness she exhibited.

I guess cluelessness is a pre-requisite for appearances on the WaPo0 op-ed pages, Eugene Robinson and EJ Dionne being the notable exceptions. Wonder how they’ve managed to keep their positions this long?

Eugene wouldn’t fill a “quota” would he?

SnarKassandra @ 10

Oh please. Our teachers have been telling us we need to take care of the earth since the first grade! We all know that fossil fuels will run out some day.

The mouth-breathing knuckle draggers seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of “finite resources.” Some folks like Ms Yoffe, just pretty it up a little bit but it’s the same basic looney tunes in action.

dakine01 @ 13

SnarKassandra @ 10

Oh please. Our teachers have been telling us we need to take care of the earth since the first grade! We all know that fossil fuels will run out some day.

The mouth-breathing knuckle draggers seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of “finite resources.” Some folks like Ms Yoffe, just pretty it up a little bit but it’s the same basic looney tunes in action.

Did I write that? :)

raven @ 12

dakine01 @ 11

I read that Emily Yoffe hit piece yesterday and was just dumbfounded at the absolute level of cluelessness she exhibited.

I guess cluelessness is a pre-requisite for appearances on the WaPo0 op-ed pages, Eugene Robinson and EJ Dionne being the notable exceptions. Wonder how they’ve managed to keep their positions this long?

Eugene wouldn’t fill a “quota” would he?

Possibly but where’s that leave EJ? After all, isn’t Cohen supposed to be “the librul?”

raven @ 14: I was channelling you.

Eugene wouldn’t fill a “quota” would he?

Possibly but where’s that leave EJ? After all, isn’t Cohen supposed to be “the librul?”

I am limited to one idea at a time!

raven @ 14

dakine01 @ 13

The mouth-breathing knuckle draggers seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of “finite resources.” Some folks like Ms Yoffe, just pretty it up a little bit but it’s the same basic looney tunes in action.

Did I write that? :)

You two sound a lot alike a lot of times! I’m always checking the name to see which one of you it is…lol! :)

kdh22 @ 18

raven @ 14

Did I write that? :)

You two sound a lot alike a lot of times! I’m always checking the name to see which one of you it is…lol! :)

Aw, he’s not near as offensive as I am. . .

I called Bob Casey’s office on habeas. The person who answered is clearly logging the calls, and asked for my zip code.

raven @ 19

kdh22 @ 18

You two sound a lot alike a lot of times! I’m always checking the name to see which one of you it is…lol! :)

Aw, he’s not near as offensive as I am. . .

Thanks. Now I have my baseline.

kdh22 @ 18

raven @ 14

Did I write that? :)

You two sound a lot alike a lot of times! I’m always checking the name to see which one of you it is…lol! :)

Great minds work in similar patterns and all that.

But there’s probably a lot of commonality in our backgrounds as well.

dakine01 @ 13

SnarKassandra @ 10

Oh please. Our teachers have been telling us we need to take care of the earth since the first grade! We all know that fossil fuels will run out some day.

The mouth-breathing knuckle draggers seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of “finite resources.” Some folks like Ms Yoffe, just pretty it up a little bit but it’s the same basic looney tunes in action.

I worked with a guy who firmly believed that fossil fuels were being regenerated just as fast as we were using them. He said that as people die, we turn into oil. This was an educated guy, Aerospace Engineer.

JF @ 23

dakine01 @ 13

The mouth-breathing knuckle draggers seem to have a bit of a problem with the concept of “finite resources.” Some folks like Ms Yoffe, just pretty it up a little bit but it’s the same basic looney tunes in action.

I worked with a guy who firmly believed that fossil fuels were being regenerated just as fast as we were using them. He said that as people die, we turn into oil. This was an educated guy, Aerospace Engineer.

My late father, with his ninth grade education, had a name for folks like that:

Educated idiots.

Some things never change.

=>

Great minds work run along in similar patterns paths and all that.

so do sewers (as my great father always said)

jane – everything will be ok if we don’t talk about it and we pretend everything is just fine. it’s called constructive hypocrisy… it worked so well for torture…

I read this comment over at drudge and was wondering if it was correct:

“Whitman is related by marriage to the Bush family; her brother, Webster B. Todd, married Sheila O’Keefe, the stepdaughter of James Wear Walker, whose sister Dorothy Walker Bush was the mother of George H.W. Bush and grandmother of George W. Bush.”

That about says it all.

Melanie Morgan thinks this is just another
liberal joke.Meanwhile I’m buying a snorkel
as the next hurricane were under water!
Your the man Al Gore~

raven @ 25

=>

Great minds work run along in similar patterns paths and all that.

so do sewers (as my great father always said)

Well sometimes ya have to spend a bit of time in the sewer just so ya know when things should be going there and when to stop it up.

dakine01 @ 24

JF @ 23

I worked with a guy who firmly believed that fossil fuels were being regenerated just as fast as we were using them. He said that as people die, we turn into oil. This was an educated guy, Aerospace Engineer.

My late father, with his ninth grade education, had a name for folks like that:

Educated idiots.

Some things never change.

Same guy said that all laws were, by definition, restrictions on our freedoms. Asked what laws he liked, he thought for a minute and then said “the death penalty!” I said “the only law you like is a penalty for breaking other laws?” He saw no contridiction.

dakine01 @ 24

JF @ 23

I worked with a guy who firmly believed that fossil fuels were being regenerated just as fast as we were using them. He said that as people die, we turn into oil. This was an educated guy, Aerospace Engineer.

My late father, with his ninth grade education, had a name for folks like that:

Educated idiots.

Some things never change.

My late father, with his ninth grade education, had a name for folks like that:

Educated idiots.

Some things never change.

Well, there you have it. Simultaneous father references. I vant to be Jung again!

dakine01 @ 29

raven @ 25

=>

Great minds work run along in similar patterns paths and all that.

so do sewers (as my great father always said)

Well sometimes ya have to spend a bit of time in the sewer just so ya know when things should be going there and when to stop it up.

See what I mean???? lmao!

Leaving work–see yous later!

JF @ 23

Sounds like an ‘outside the field’ problem – lots of people, educated people, are surprisingly clueless about things outside their field, and will believe nearly anything they’re told, as long as it’s outside their field.

OT – Glenn Greenwald’s book is up to #17 at amazon.

When I was in fifth or sixth grade, they showed us scary movies and we did the “duck and cover” thing once a week. Boeings’ two West coast bomber plants – Boeing Field and Boeing Renton – were manufacturing B-47s and B-52s a few miles away. We were constantly warned from first grade all the way through high school that nuclear catastrophe was only minutes and miles away. That was scary.

The reassuring movies they showed us in grade school, like the Bell Telephone-Disney pro-nuclear propaganda piece Our Friend the Atom did little or nothing to dispel the notion of a nuclear holocaust glaring at us through the classroom windows and door.

As a tribute to my late father, the following was one of his favorites and he said it often:

You can want in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which one fills up first.

kdh22 @ 37

As a tribute to my late father, the following was one of his favorites and he said it often:

You can want in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which one fills up first.

Yes!

raven @ 12

dakine01 @ 11

I read that Emily Yoffe hit piece yesterday and was just dumbfounded at the absolute level of cluelessness she exhibited.

I guess cluelessness is a pre-requisite for appearances on the WaPo0 op-ed pages, Eugene Robinson and EJ Dionne being the notable exceptions. Wonder how they’ve managed to keep their positions this long?

Eugene wouldn’t fill a “quota” would he?

Oh, yes. He and EJ are the ones the WaPo can point to and say “See? SEE?!? We do TOO allow liberals to have their say.” (Of course, what they have to say isn’t bandied about the way Fred Hiatt’s crap is, but hey.)

It’s the old run-one-story-on-page-Z47-and-say-you-’covered’-it dodge.

That’s why I don’t say “the press hasn’t covered this” because they’ll always say “We did too! Right here on page Z47 of this issue!” I say “this is something you won’t see on the evening news or hear about on drive-time radio”, because those two places are where most Americans still get their news. If it’s not on one or the other, it’s as if it didn’t happen.

P J Evans @ 34

JF @ 23

Sounds like an ‘outside the field’ problem – lots of people, educated people, are surprisingly clueless about things outside their field, and will believe nearly anything they’re told, as long as it’s outside their field.

Common sense is not common. There’s also the fact that specialization really hasn’t helped matters over the years. It bottlenecks the want to learn other stuff, unless you’re relentlessly curious and seek it out yourself. (something i find in abundance here)

Ed*ard Teller @ 36

When I was in fifth or sixth grade, they showed us scary movies and we did the “duck and cover” thing once a week. Boeings’ two West coast bomber plants – Boeing Field and Boeing Renton – were manufacturing B-47s and B-52s a few miles away. We were constantly warned from first grade all the way through high school that nuclear catastrophe was only minutes and miles away. That was scary.

The reassuring movies they showed us in grade school, like the Bell Telephone-Disney pro-nuclear propaganda piece Our Friend the Atom did little or nothing to dispel the notion of a nuclear holocaust glaring at us through the classroom windows and door.

I lived in D.C. and saw the same movies and had the same air raid drills. The piece of advice that I remember most is the one that getting under a white sheet would help prevent “flash burns.” Even in the first grade I knew bullshit when I smelled it.

ccmask @ 4

Oklahoma kiddo will be happy with Gore’s pic.

kiddo is pleased. ;0)

ET #36,
I had the same experience. The imminent threat of nuclear war was something I as a child and my friends were confronted with constantly-and I am convinced that this affected most children born in this country between 1940-1975.

khd22

My wife is always amazed at all the “sayings” I have. The combination of my father and his Navy jargon that I grew up with, my own Army rap and years of basketball and rock and roll it’s a wonder anyone has any idea what the hell I am talking about!

RonD @ 43

ET #36,
I had the same experience. The imminent threat of nuclear war was something I as a child and my friends were confronted with constantly-and I am convinced that this affected most children born in this country between 1940-1975.

Amen. Underscored by those ominous days in October of 1962.

ET @ 36

Oh yeah, been there, done that – well, the drills and the ‘we’re a target’ bit. Even if it wasn’t true, we were downwind of SF, and would have been dead just from that. I think the last drill I did was in tenth grade, and only because we moved after that year. I don’t think it will ever leave the back of my mind.

Steve @ 41

Ed*ard Teller @ 36

When I was in fifth or sixth grade, they showed us scary movies and we did the “duck and cover” thing once a week. Boeings’ two West coast bomber plants – Boeing Field and Boeing Renton – were manufacturing B-47s and B-52s a few miles away. We were constantly warned from first grade all the way through high school that nuclear catastrophe was only minutes and miles away. That was scary.

The reassuring movies they showed us in grade school, like the Bell Telephone-Disney pro-nuclear propaganda piece Our Friend the Atom did little or nothing to dispel the notion of a nuclear holocaust glaring at us through the classroom windows and door.

I lived in D.C. and saw the same movies and had the same air raid drills. The piece of advice that I remember most is the one that getting under a white sheet would help prevent “flash burns.” Even in the first grade I knew bullshit when I smelled it.

LOL. It was funny enough for a 707, but that brings us right back to the bomber maker, eh?

Ed*ard Teller @ 47

LOL. It was funny enough for a 707, but that brings us right back to the bomber maker, eh?

when the Boeing gets tough…

RonD @ 43

ET #36,
I had the same experience. The imminent threat of nuclear war was something I as a child and my friends were confronted with constantly-and I am convinced that this affected most children born in this country between 1940-1975.

And people still wonder why we respected Timothy Leary more than we did Curtis LeMay…

raven @ 44

khd22

My wife is always amazed at all the “sayings” I have. The combination of my father and his Navy jargon that I grew up with, my own Army rap and years of basketball and rock and roll it’s a wonder anyone has any idea what the hell I am talking about!

My father was army air corp, plus sports, r’n’r, and military HS, ROTC, and active Air Force.

Ya also get a fairly well developed Bull Sh*t detector through it all…

Steve @ 41

Ed*ard Teller @ 36

When I was in fifth or sixth grade, they showed us scary movies and we did the “duck and cover” thing once a week. Boeings’ two West coast bomber plants – Boeing Field and Boeing Renton – were manufacturing B-47s and B-52s a few miles away. We were constantly warned from first grade all the way through high school that nuclear catastrophe was only minutes and miles away. That was scary.

The reassuring movies they showed us in grade school, like the Bell Telephone-Disney pro-nuclear propaganda piece Our Friend the Atom did little or nothing to dispel the notion of a nuclear holocaust glaring at us through the classroom windows and door.

I lived in D.C. and saw the same movies and had the same air raid drills. The piece of advice that I remember most is the one that getting under a white sheet would help prevent “flash burns.” Even in the first grade I knew bullshit when I smelled it.

We moved from Chicago to LA in 58, just in time for Disneyland and the Dodgers, that’s a great picture!

dakine01 @ 50

raven @ 44

khd22

My wife is always amazed at all the “sayings” I have. The combination of my father and his Navy jargon that I grew up with, my own Army rap and years of basketball and rock and roll it’s a wonder anyone has any idea what the hell I am talking about!

My father was army air corp, plus sports, r’n’r, and military HS, ROTC, and active Air Force.

Ya also get a fairly well developed Bull Sh*t detector through it all…

Tell it bro!

I’ve never seen a more presidential pic, than the one at the top. This man exudes presidentialness and leadership. Puts me in mind of JFK. And it’s not just the photo. Listen to the man talk. And hear his vision. ;0)

Ed*ard Teller @ 49

RonD @ 43

ET #36,
I had the same experience. The imminent threat of nuclear war was something I as a child and my friends were confronted with constantly-and I am convinced that this affected most children born in this country between 1940-1975.

And people still wonder why we respected Timothy Leary more than we did Curtis LeMay…

I know why I did! :)

Aite, I gotta get my ass out in the heat and mow the frickin lawn. . .rock on babies!

retirin’ in five @ 45

RonD @ 43

ET #36,
I had the same experience. The imminent threat of nuclear war was something I as a child and my friends were confronted with constantly-and I am convinced that this affected most children born in this country between 1940-1975.

Amen. Underscored by those ominous days in October of 1962.

Oh yeah, that was when Dad (USAF) brought home the bomb-shelter pamphlets. I figured out what had triggered that when I read about JFK in high school.

Up till then, I just remembered an Autumn when I was in grade school that my parents had behaved really squirrelly. (That, and I read “Alas, Babylon” too.)

BTW, ET, nice blog. Congrats on taking the plunge-I did the same a few months back, and it’s really a lot of fun, as well as time well-spent.

ooooh, “Alas, Babylon”-probably still the best novel ever about nuclear war.

dakine01 @ 50

raven @ 44

khd22

My wife is always amazed at all the “sayings” I have. The combination of my father and his Navy jargon that I grew up with, my own Army rap and years of basketball and rock and roll it’s a wonder anyone has any idea what the hell I am talking about!

My father was army air corp, plus sports, r’n’r, and military HS, ROTC, and active Air Force.

Ya also get a fairly well developed Bull Sh*t detector through it all…

The “funny” thing was they never saw the irony of the conflicting propaganda. My father was an “early adopter” and we had a tv in the early fifties. At school I would watch “duck and cover turtle” say don’t worry if you are nuked….and at home watch pictures of the nuclear tests when they blew the shit of simulated towns, armored divisions and battleships.

Just reading commenters here remembering the unstable periods during the nuclear arms race can serve to teach younger readers how absurdly over-blown the seriousness of many of the threats now being presented as potentially catastrophic actually are. Al Gore. Threat?. give. me. a. break. fascists!

Raw Story: Cheney chief of staff breaks silence… Developing…

dakine01 @ 50

raven @ 44

khd22

My wife is always amazed at all the “sayings” I have. The combination of my father and his Navy jargon that I grew up with, my own Army rap and years of basketball and rock and roll it’s a wonder anyone has any idea what the hell I am talking about!

My father was army air corp, plus sports, r’n’r, and military HS, ROTC, and active Air Force.

Ya also get a fairly well developed Bull Sh*t detector through it all…

My father was Army GI, stationed in Korea in WWII. He absolutely detested pineapple because he said that’s all they ate…fried, poached, raw, grilled. His heritage was Welsh and he married my mother, small feisty German orphan. Holy crap! The seven spawn produced from that union…I’m gonna stop there. Suffice to say, things happened…lol!!!

Griles gets 10 months.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 61

Raw Story: Cheney chief of staff breaks silence… Developing…

The new one or Libby?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 53

I’ve never seen a more presidential pic, than the one at the top. This man exudes presidentialness and leadership. Puts me in mind of JFK. And it’s not just the photo. Listen to the man talk. And hear his vision. ;0)

Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a President of the United State that is actually a very intelligent human being. One with a well developed mind in multiple areas.

I still sometimes have A-bomb dreams.

LS @ 66

I still sometimes have A-bomb dreams.

I had a dream about getting rounded up and put in jail for having an opinion and writing a blog.

When I was a kid, adults told us ‘don’t eat the snow’ because of fallout.

SnarKassandra @ 67

LS @ 66

I still sometimes have A-bomb dreams.

I had a dream about getting rounded up and put in jail for having an opinion and writing a blog.

Did you really?? That’s funny, I think…:)

ET and all … share the same memories (SAC facility down the road from our school) and can remember being horrified at like age 6 or something that my Dad just laughed when I asked him if we were going to get one of those bomb shelters they had displayed for sale in the local grocery store parking lot.

And these comments got me thinking … that and the Vietnam draft combined to make our generation (in broad terms) one which recognized war as something impacting us – directly. That’s a concept that has become lost
in US the all powerful shop till you drop days.
We did not assume the US could/would automatically win, we did not assume we were magically protected from the results of our country’s actions – and we acted accordingly.

Our current psychic distancing from global warming and from the entire Middle East empire exercise is not an advance, that’s for sure.

OT, but hot:

Associated Press – June 26, 2007 2:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) – Ohio Senator George Voinovich says the US should begin pulling troops out of Iraq and make greater use of diplomacy.

He becomes the second Republican lawmaker this week to declare President Bush’s war strategy a failure.

Voinovich says the Iraqi people and their neighbors need to take more active roles but won’t do so until they know the US is leaving.

His remarks come on the heels of similar comments yesterday from Indiana Senator Richard Lugar.

The two say they’re still not ready to insist on a timetable for withdrawal. But both are making it clear their patience is gone.

Voinovich says he’s presenting his proposal for a way out of Iraq in a letter to the president.

Siun @ 70

ET and all … share the same memories (SAC facility down the road from our school) and can remember being horrified at like age 6 or something that my Dad just laughed when I asked him if we were going to get one of those bomb shelters they had displayed for sale in the local grocery store parking lot.

And these comments got me thinking … that and the Vietnam draft combined to make our generation (in broad terms) one which recognized war as something impacting us – directly. That’s a concept that has become lost
in US the all powerful shop till you drop days.
We did not assume the US could/would automatically win, we did not assume we were magically protected from the results of our country’s actions – and we acted accordingly.

Our current psychic distancing from global warming and from the entire Middle East empire exercise is not an advance, that’s for sure.

Ignorance keeps you blissful…some would rather just live their lives that way..I’ve thought about it myself on occasion…didn’t work.

SnarKassandra @ 64

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 61

Raw Story: Cheney chief of staff breaks silence… Developing…

The new one or Libby?

Excellent question that I was thinking about – please stay tuned…

raven @ 7

Scumbag Jonah Goldberg is sucking off Cheney on Tucker. He loves him because he just doesn’t care!

Hmm.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 73

SnarKassandra @ 64

The new one or Libby?

Excellent question that I was thinking about – please stay tuned…

I want to know what branch he thinks he works in….

ThinkProgress: Breaking: Abramoff-linked Bush official sent to prison

Steven Griles received a 10 month sentence.

Watch these republicans like Lugar and Voinovich carefully (also some of the Ds …) – I’m afraid this is all the residual troops/permanent base ploy … see the video at Dahr Jamai’s site from yesterday … very important information as we see the shift to “getting out” which often has a hidden shhhhh, don’t tell them that we’ll leave 50,000 troops there “temporarily” line hidden in the full text.

THe Bases are Loaded

LS @ 66

I still sometimes have A-bomb dreams.

I finally got over those nightmares

The Cheney story is up at Raw. My links don’t work.

Lugar, Voinovich, etc starting to make noises about getting troops out & using diplomacy. What in the world is the useful idiot 29% base going to make of that? Back to mental gymnastics class again.

ET #60,
It’s am interesting perspective realignment, isn’t it? I had a conversation with a paleo-conservative co-worker yeasterday about Iran, and heard myself say something like,”N. Korea? one, maybe a small handful of warheads? Iran? No warheads, maybe a program? Some widely distributed terrorists that hate us, unjustly or justly? So what? What are we so afraid of? Just a few years ago, an imperial adversary that had sworn our destruction had 30,000 warheads pointed at us! It wasn’t necessary to shred the Constitution then, it sure as hell isn’t now.”

LOL-he agreed with me.

RonD @ 58

ooooh, “Alas, Babylon”-probably still the best novel ever about nuclear war.

Canticle for Liebowitz.

It’s better. So is War Day.

Siun @ 77

Watch these republicans like Lugar and Voinovich carefully (also some of the Ds …) – I’m afraid this is all the residual troops/permanent base ploy … see the video at Dahr Jamai’s site from yesterday … very important information as we see the shift to “getting out” which often has a hidden shhhhh, don’t tell them that we’ll leave 50,000 troops there “temporarily” line hidden in the full text.

THe Bases are Loaded

If I watch this will I be having A-bomb nightmares again?

Raw Story update: Cheney’s chief of staff rebukes Kerry on Cheney’s secrecy oversight

John Byrne
Published: Tuesday June 26, 2007

In a letter on Vice President Dick Cheney’s stationery, Cheney chief of staff David Addington issued a letter to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) today defending the Vice President’s interpretation of his office being outside the executive branch.

A copy of the letter was provided to RAW STORY.

“Dear Senator Kerry,” Addington writes. “The executive order on classified national security information — Executive Order 12958 as amended in 2003 — makes clear that the Vice President is treated like the President and distinguishes the two of them from ‘agencies.’”

No longer satisfied with the Vice President’s office’s claim that Cheney is actually an admixture between the legislative and executive branch, Addington now posits that the Vice President’s office is not an “agency.”

“The executive order gives the [Information Security Oversight Office], under the supervision of the Archivist of the United States, responsibility to oversee certain activities of ‘agencies,’ but not of the Vice President or the President.”

(snip)

LS @ 79

The Cheney story is up at Raw. My links don’t work.

I now have the story (see my comment above) but could not open the PDF file containing the letter; there may be a broken link to it.

cleter #82,
Thanks for the titles. I’ll check them out. I must confess to a certain emotional bond with “Babylon”-I’ve lived around the very area where it is set for most of my life.

I use “13 Days in October” as a movie intro to courses I teach in Politics. I too remember those days.

Ann Coulter is on Tweety for the whole hour. Cheaper for Chris Matthews than paying his Dom for her services. Ann said in the first minute that we have to fight dirty to win the war in Iraq, we should carpet bomb, kill everybody, and not apologize for all the civilian casualties because war is tough, fighting the Nazi’s was tough but we bombed them to hell and we won.

SnarKassandra @ 64

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 61

Raw Story: Cheney chief of staff breaks silence… Developing…

The new one or Libby?

Stop teasing us, Cassie!!

The EO doesn’t mention the President or VP, so they are not bound by the rules. Who else wasn’t mentioned in the EO?? How many other people in the Executive Branch now appear not to be working their either???? Rove isn’t an agency. He’s not mentioned, so does that mean it doesn’t apply to him either. D’oh……

Elliot – no Abombs in the video at all … but a very smart discussion of permanent bases with comments from Gary Hart and Chalmers Johnson and more.

And if you look at the threat of global warming and then watch the video as Nadia Keilani and others point out that the locations of the permanent bases, it all becomes rather clear including why they don’t like Al Gore scaring the children.

LS @ 89

The EO doesn’t mention the President or VP, so they are not bound by the rules. Who else wasn’t mentioned in the EO?? How many other people in the Executive Branch now appear not to be working their either???? Rove isn’t an agency. He’s not mentioned, so does that mean it doesn’t apply to him either. D’oh……

BushCo mantra: “I know you understand what you think I said but I don’t think you understand what I meant to say.”

LS @ 89

The EO doesn’t mention the President or VP, so they are not bound by the rules. Who else wasn’t mentioned in the EO?? How many other people in the Executive Branch now appear not to be working their either???? Rove isn’t an agency. He’s not mentioned, so does that mean it doesn’t apply to him either. D’oh……

Does someone have a link to the EO? For some reason I thought it did mention the president.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 84

Raw Story update: Cheney’s chief of staff rebukes Kerry on Cheney’s secrecy oversight

John Byrne
Published: Tuesday June 26, 2007

In a letter on Vice President Dick Cheney’s stationery, Cheney chief of staff David Addington issued a letter to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) today defending the Vice President’s interpretation of his office being outside the executive branch.

A copy of the letter was provided to RAW STORY.

“Dear Senator Kerry,” Addington writes. “The executive order on classified national security information — Executive Order 12958 as amended in 2003 — makes clear that the Vice President is treated like the President and distinguishes the two of them from ‘agencies.’”

No longer satisfied with the Vice President’s office’s claim that Cheney is actually an admixture between the legislative and executive branch, Addington now posits that the Vice President’s office is not an “agency.”

“The executive order gives the [Information Security Oversight Office], under the supervision of the Archivist of the United States, responsibility to oversee certain activities of ‘agencies,’ but not of the Vice President or the President.”

(snip)

Ha. He should read TPMmuckraker before writing that tripe.

Ed*ard Teller @ 71

OT, but hot:

Associated Press – June 26, 2007 2:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) – Ohio Senator George Voinovich says the US should begin pulling troops out of Iraq and make greater use of diplomacy.

He becomes the second Republican lawmaker this week to declare President Bush’s war strategy a failure.

Voinovich says the Iraqi people and their neighbors need to take more active roles but won’t do so until they know the US is leaving.

His remarks come on the heels of similar comments yesterday from Indiana Senator Richard Lugar.

The two say they’re still not ready to insist on a timetable for withdrawal. But both are making it clear their patience is gone.

Voinovich says he’s presenting his proposal for a way out of Iraq in a letter to the president.

welll, knock me over with a feather, duster…

Now THAT’s progress. He must finally have gotten the memo ’bout what happened ta DeWine, who kept saying nebberyoumind ’bout all dis stuff da prez sez not ta think about…

I’d about run outta sparkly little cat toys….
Thanks be to Mr. V. for his token pounce.
I’m tired of little games.

SnarKassandra @ 64

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 61

Raw Story: Cheney chief of staff breaks silence… Developing…

The new one or Libby?

Heh,watch out for this one, she’s quick.

I see a blog post in the future:
An Examination of the Psychological Effects of the Cold War on America’s Youth, or, How Did Knowing You Might be Incinerated at any Moment Affect Your Childhood?

Elliott @ 78

LS @ 66

I still sometimes have A-bomb dreams.

I finally got over those nightmares

I never had them. Apparently, I’m pretty PTSD-immune.

The only recurring bad dream I have is from February, 1974. I was working in the Gulf of Alaska on a big crab boat, improbably named Parakeet. We had a new deckhand on board, and he was screwing up the taking aboard of 7′x7′ tanner crab pots. I was trying to help him deal with an upcoming pot when he slipped the line off the pot hauler. The line started entangling his right leg. As I freed him, it caught my left leg. The line tightened as the pot began sinking back down to 125 fathoms and the boat crept forward. I couldn’t reach my sheath knife, so I stumbled and walked with the line back to the flush-decked stern.

In a matter of seconds the line pulled me over the stern and into the ocean. I was wearing heavy hip boots and raincoat, but had a big floatation vest on underneath. But I must have gone down 50 or 60 feet before I could finally get my knife out. About that time, the descending pot started doing a sideways oscillation we called “parachuting” and the line around my leg went slack. I pulled free and headed for the surface, which I could barely make out. By the time I got back up, the skipper had started backing the boat, and it almost ran over me.

I got pulled back aboard. I went down into the crew quarters and changed into dry clothes, but I couldn’t stop shaking for hours. That evening I broke my own rule of not drinking on a working vessel, and had a triple shot of brandy from the medicine chest.

The dream doesn’t come very often – usually when I’m on another boat and trying to sleep overnight. One of four times I went overboard…

RonD @ 86

cleter #82,
Thanks for the titles. I’ll check them out. I must confess to a certain emotional bond with “Babylon”-I’ve lived around the very area where it is set for most of my life.

The chapter in Alas Babylon that starts “When the nuclear fireballs crisped Orlando…” scared the crap out of me when I was eleven, and living in Orlando.

Resurrection Day, which takes place some years after a nuclear exchange during the Cuban Missile Crisis, is also pretty good.

Adie @ 94

Ed*ard Teller @ 71

OT, but hot:

Associated Press – June 26, 2007 2:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) – Ohio Senator George Voinovich says the US should begin pulling troops out of Iraq and make greater use of diplomacy.

He becomes the second Republican lawmaker this week to declare President Bush’s war strategy a failure.

Voinovich says the Iraqi people and their neighbors need to take more active roles but won’t do so until they know the US is leaving.

His remarks come on the heels of similar comments yesterday from Indiana Senator Richard Lugar.

The two say they’re still not ready to insist on a timetable for withdrawal. But both are making it clear their patience is gone.

Voinovich says he’s presenting his proposal for a way out of Iraq in a letter to the president.

welll, knock me over with a feather, duster…

Now THAT’s progress. He must finally have gotten the memo ’bout what happened ta DeWine, who kept saying nebberyoumind ’bout all dis stuff da prez sez not ta think about…

I’d about run outta sparkly little cat toys….
Thanks be to Mr. V. for his token pounce.
I’m tired of little games.

former senator dewine, that be, also OH. ;->

Canticle for Liebowitz is brilliant.

Also, on nuclear issues and how we live, don’t miss Robert Jay Lifton’s Death in Life.

Lifton’s work is pretty important – when we were fighting against Trident, his work was essential to our thinking about how we live in a nuclear age.

Helen @ 2:07 pm -

Cassie wasn’t teasing; it wasn’t easy to discern to whom the original Raw Story headline referred. Now we see that it refers to David Addington; I’m sure that some of us were hoping that it referred to Scooter.

I like the way The Daily Howler refers to beltway insiders as “powdered dandies”. We should promote this branding, perfect imagery.

I remember Tom Wolfe speaking re his The Bonfire of the Vanities, describing the wildly successful bond traders and the over the top nature of their lives – he suggested (being no slouch himself) that they should start wearing powdered wigs to dandify themselves appropriately for their class/status.

But they were nouveau – how much more appropriate for these overbred twits in Washington.

RonD,

It was there to some extent for the kids and teenagers in the 80s. Just not to the point where they had the duck and cover routine. But the cold war WAS still on for the extent of the 80s. I remember it permeating most everything of any note as a child during that time.

The new hysteria nowadays has a mixture of making me pissed off, becuause i thought we left that behind with the collapse of the USSR. Instead, it’s even worse than when i was growing up.

Just joined facebook. Crush Stoller! Or whatever the goal du jour is.

—E. Greg Ious

ET 97, What a story!!! Now I’m going to dream about that!! /s

His remarks come on the heels of similar comments yesterday from Indiana Senator Richard Lugar.

The two say they’re still not ready to insist on a timetable for withdrawal. But both are making it clear their patience is gone.

Right. Their patience is gone, but they’re not gonna do anything about anything. Timetables are off the table. We really expect y’all to show some progress by September….or else. Or else….by, I don’t know, December March 2008. Yeah, let’s look at this again in March 2008. Because our PATIENCE IS REALLY COMING TO AN END.

re my 94/99, I’m still gonna keep a speedy lil’ border collie at the ready – intuition born of experience.

We are ruled by entities.

So, Cheney is arguing that the Vice Presidency is both a floor wax and a desert topping?

I am continually amazed at the bonus features Cheney and Bush keep finding on the special Director’s Cut of the Constitution that they have.

Siun @ 70

ET and all … share the same memories (SAC facility down the road from our school) and can remember being horrified at like age 6 or something that my Dad just laughed when I asked him if we were going to get one of those bomb shelters they had displayed for sale in the local grocery store parking lot.

And these comments got me thinking … that and the Vietnam draft combined to make our generation (in broad terms) one which recognized war as something impacting us – directly. That’s a concept that has become lost
in US the all powerful shop till you drop days.
We did not assume the US could/would automatically win, we did not assume we were magically protected from the results of our country’s actions – and we acted accordingly.

Our current psychic distancing from global warming and from the entire Middle East empire exercise is not an advance, that’s for sure.

As anecdotal support of that, I work with a guy, a good Democrat, who “hated” Nixon. Why? Because Nixon drafted him. His views on what is currently going on, on the other hand, are a kind of bemused disapproval, and he isn’t prone to consider that something “radical” must be done or that people should go to jail for what they’ve done.

Siun @ 90

Elliot – no Abombs in the video at all … but a very smart discussion of permanent bases with comments from Gary Hart and Chalmers Johnson and more.

And if you look at the threat of global warming and then watch the video as Nadia Keilani and others point out that the locations of the permanent bases, it all becomes rather clear including why they don’t like Al Gore scaring the children.

I can’t believe what I’m watching. This base thing gives me waking nightmares. this is good.

RonD @ 96

I see a blog post in the future:
An Examination of the Psychological Effects of the Cold War on America’s Youth, or, How Did Knowing You Might be Incinerated at any Moment Affect Your Childhood?

Funny, I grew up with the “bend over and kiss your ass goodbye” drills, and I slept in my Grandfather’s bomb shelter (and since he was a concrete engineer, it was a real bomb shelter) when we visited them. I had to run through the park to find my father one Saturday in Oct. 62 because the dialless red phone was ringing and he was walking the dog. But my nightmares were all about being in school and realizing I was still in my pajamas.

AloW #104, I agree. I figure anyone born by 1975 is old enough to remember, although I’m sure there were those younger, up to 1980 or so. After that, they were probably too young, IMO.

GordonM @ 5:10 pm -

Thank you for the link to TPM, which mentioned a revised executive order with which I am familiar: Executive Order 13292, issued in March 2003, superseded Executive Order 12958.

GordonM @ 112

RonD @ 96

I see a blog post in the future:
An Examination of the Psychological Effects of the Cold War on America’s Youth, or, How Did Knowing You Might be Incinerated at any Moment Affect Your Childhood?

Funny, I grew up with the “bend over and kiss your ass goodbye” drills, and I slept in my Grandfather’s bomb shelter (and since he was a concrete engineer, it was a real bomb shelter) when we visited them. I had to run through the park to find my father one Saturday in Oct. 62 because the dialless red phone was ringing and he was walking the dog. But my nightmares were all about being in school and realizing I was still in my pajamas.

Reminds me of the Brandon Frazier movie…Blast from the Past?

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 84

Raw Story update: Cheney’s chief of staff rebukes Kerry on Cheney’s secrecy oversight

John Byrne
Published: Tuesday June 26, 2007

In a letter on Vice President Dick Cheney’s stationery, Cheney chief of staff David Addington issued a letter to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) today defending the Vice President’s interpretation of his office being outside the executive branch.

A copy of the letter was provided to RAW STORY.

“Dear Senator Kerry,” Addington writes. “The executive order on classified national security information — Executive Order 12958 as amended in 2003 — makes clear that the Vice President is treated like the President and distinguishes the two of them from ‘agencies.’”

No longer satisfied with the Vice President’s office’s claim that Cheney is actually an admixture between the legislative and executive branch, Addington now posits that the Vice President’s office is not an “agency.”

“The executive order gives the [Information Security Oversight Office], under the supervision of the Archivist of the United States, responsibility to oversee certain activities of ‘agencies,’ but not of the Vice President or the President.”

(snip)

Quite the crock of crap, eh?

Here’s the EO 12958

and here’s the little bone of contention, 5 USC 105, which defines the Executive “agency”:

§ 105. Executive agency
For the purpose of this title, “Executive agency” means an Executive department, a Government corporation, and an independent establishment.

It’s going to end up in front of SCOTUS, or Cheney’s going to be removed from office. I’m beginning to think there may be something to that useless gossip Sally Quinn’s gushing over Fred Thompson and her comments about Repugs wanting Cheney exited from office.

You see, it serves Dubya quite well to have Condi named as VP…but it would end Cheney’s aspirations and control past Jan 2009 if his boy Thompson was named Veep should Cheney step down. Thompson couldn’t win the White House after that.

So? How to place the bet on this board…hmm.

RonD @ 113

AloW #104, I agree. I figure anyone born by 1975 is old enough to remember, although I’m sure there were those younger, up to 1980 or so. After that, they were probably too young, IMO.

I was born in ‘77. Old enough to remember the 80s even as a kidlet. But not too young either. But i still remember that atmosphere vividly as a child.

Siun @ 70, 77

The town we lived in discussed ‘community bomb shelters’. Never went anywhere, mostly because it became clear, early on, that it wasn’t at all practical. Too much area to cover, too many people. (My father said that after 5pm it wouldn’t work at all.) As for family-sized shelters – some people said they’d shoot anyone outside the family who tried to come in, emergency or not.

I still get bombs every so often in my dreams, but (surprisingly) not as frightening nightmares. I think it’s because I know deep down that it would be certain death.

On the Beach….shudder

Went through all the duck and cover stuff. Remember having to evacuate the school one time for it although we were no where near any military installations or targets. We asked about radiation but no one could give a valid, understandable answer.

But no more ludicrous than having to go through the same type of drills while stationed at a northern tier SAC base including the bomb shelter drills. Although I do seem to recall being in a pretty good game of euchre that afternoon while we waited for the exercise to end.

Only people who know nothing can travel abroad!

FBI wants students to stop travelling

Fears technology loss

By Nick Farrell: Monday 25 June 2007

THE FBI IS visiting the nation’s top technical universities in a bid to stop students taking their holidays outside the country.
MIT, Boston College, and the University of Massachusetts, have all had a visit from the spooks to warn them about the dangers of foreign spies and terrorists stealing sensitive academic research.

The FBI wants the universities to impose rules that will stop US university students from working late at the campus, travelling abroad, showing an interest in their colleagues’ work, or have friends outside the United States, engaging in independent research, or making extra money without the prior consent of the authorities.

…

Helen @ 93

LS @ 89

The EO doesn’t mention the President or VP, so they are not bound by the rules. Who else wasn’t mentioned in the EO?? How many other people in the Executive Branch now appear not to be working their either???? Rove isn’t an agency. He’s not mentioned, so does that mean it doesn’t apply to him either. D’oh……

Does someone have a link to the EO? For some reason I thought it did mention the president.

Here’s a link: Executive Order 13292

The late 50s through the exit of Kruschev in 1964 were a critical time. Then the MAD paradigm sort of took over until the mentors of the current generation of neo-cons came up with incredibly destablizing weapon systems like the Trident submarine and the Pershing missile. That was just as scary as the earlier B-52 times which inspiered Dr. Strangelove. Just like half the Republican leadership is now one phone call from the FBI away from prison, so then, half the Soviet, Westen European and American populations were one computer screwup away from annihilation.

Ed*ard Teller @ 97

[znip]

The dream doesn’t come very often – usually when I’m on another boat and trying to sleep overnight. One of four times I went overboard…

That might cause a recurring nightmare or two.
Holy Crow! Are you kidding me?! I’m glad you lived to tell the tale! I doubt I’d be able to think so fast but adrenalin does sharpen the mind right quick.

AZ Matt @ 122

Only people who know nothing can travel abroad!

FBI wants students to stop travelling

Fears technology loss

By Nick Farrell: Monday 25 June 2007

THE FBI IS visiting the nation’s top technical universities in a bid to stop students taking their holidays outside the country.
MIT, Boston College, and the University of Massachusetts, have all had a visit from the spooks to warn them about the dangers of foreign spies and terrorists stealing sensitive academic research.

The FBI wants the universities to impose rules that will stop US university students from working late at the campus, travelling abroad, showing an interest in their colleagues’ work, or have friends outside the United States, engaging in independent research, or making extra money without the prior consent of the authorities.

…

Is this serious? If so, it has to be stopped. Enough of this constant gov’t in our lives.

So, we can’t talk about harming people on the lake? Don’t turn on Coulter.

Rayne @ 2:21 pm -

Please look at the 25th Amendment’s second clause: whoever is nominated as Vice President must be subsequently confirmed by majority votes in the House of Representatives and the Senate before assuming office.

Elliot – it is good, isn’t it. I was so pleased to see such a sound, clear discussion of the bases – and hope everyone watches it.

P J Evans – oddly enough, in the mid-late 80s at least, we discovered that New Haven’s Emergency Response office published an astonishing pamphlet for residents on what to do in an emergency. It talked about blizzards and hurricanes and floods but also had the most amazing section on what to do during a nuclear attack. We used to do dramatic readings of this section on street corners, etc … very effective and entertaining in a sick way at the same time. My favorite involved retrofitting your basement family room complete with ways to turn little built in seats into storage for your stored water and making blast walls decorative! I kid you not!

in fact, wonder if that stuff is still in those booklets…

Elliott @ 125

Ed*ard Teller @ 97

[znip]

The dream doesn’t come very often – usually when I’m on another boat and trying to sleep overnight. One of four times I went overboard…

That might cause a recurring nightmare or two.
Holy Crow! Are you kidding me?! I’m glad you lived to tell the tale! I doubt I’d be able to think so fast but adrenalin does sharpen the mind right quick.

There are sensible reasons that commercial fishing is regarded as a “young man’s, uh, person’s game”…

Funny,
I was born in 60 and I don’t remember having to do the duck and cover drills.

An unusually well-informed source says: calls, letters, and emails to Congress are logged in by subject and scored as either pro or con.

The exceptional letter or call will have an impact on the staff and possibly make its way to the rep.

Sheer numbers matter [hence, get yr neighbors and friends to write]. Politeness matters. A very good missive can get in under the radar.

AZ Matt@121

Sounds like they want to prevent more of the brain drain that’s been going on for the last 10 years or so. It’s gotten worse since the ShrubCo took over too. I’m part of that group, more than likely. But i planned on it long before 9/11. Granted i doubt they consider pharmacy technicians a precious commodity. Too bad. For now, i’m here for a few more years till i get the paperwork done. I’ll do my bit to make it better while i’m here and even after i move, much like Hotflash does.

All those things they don’t want those science students doing, is what makes them see that the rest of the world isn’t as hostile to their knowledge as their own home is.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 127

Rayne @ 2:21 pm -

Please look at the 25th Amendment’s second clause: whoever is nominated as Vice President must be subsequently confirmed by majority votes in the House of Representatives and the Senate before assuming office.

That’s why my money is on someone like Alan Simpson to be the interim VP if Cheney were gone. Ain’t no way that the Dems OR the rethugs running for pres would give Freddie a leg up. Nah. Gon. Hap. Pen.

Twain @ 125

AZ Matt @ 122

Only people who know nothing can travel abroad!

Is this serious? If so, it has to be stopped. Enough of this constant gov’t in our lives.

This is insane. Does it seem like there are a lot of potential civil rights “clampdowns” happening lately..? Cheney told Bush to tell Cheney to get ‘er done.

I see you are in rare form today, Jane. Good for you. Hope you are feeling fine and avoiding this HEAT.

Siun @ 128

Elliot – it is good, isn’t it. I was so pleased to see such a sound, clear discussion of the bases – and hope everyone watches it.

we have 737 military bases in other people’s countries, at least that’s what the Pentagon will admit to!

Jane has a new thread.

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..s/#respond

Jane is Upstairs..

Greenwald’s book is up to #15. I know we can push it past “Get Oprah’s Ass in 15 Minutes a Day!”

Bustednuckles @ 131

Funny,
I was born in 60 and I don’t remember having to do the duck and cover drills.

You were too short to duck and you were already covered :)

Sparkles the Iguana @ 140

Greenwald’s book is up to #15. I know we can push it past “Get Oprah’s Ass in 15 Minutes a Day!”

you crack me up

Ed*ard Teller @ 124

The late 50s through the exit of Kruschev in 1964 were a critical time. Then the MAD paradigm sort of took over until the mentors of the current generation of neo-cons came up with incredibly destablizing weapon systems like the Trident submarine and the Pershing missile. That was just as scary as the earlier B-52 times which inspiered Dr. Strangelove. Just like half the Republican leadership is now one phone call from the FBI away from prison, so then, half the Soviet, Westen European and American populations were one computer screwup away from annihilation.

I personally know an officer who was onboard a ship that had to decide whether to fire or not when the Soviets crossed the Cuban blockade line.

And the government wants us to be terrified 24/7 now? Of what?

Amateurs.

Ed*ard Teller @ 124

The late 50s through the exit of Kruschev in 1964 were a critical time. Then the MAD paradigm sort of took over until the mentors of the current generation of neo-cons came up with incredibly destablizing weapon systems like the Trident submarine and the Pershing missile. That was just as scary as the earlier B-52 times which inspiered Dr. Strangelove. Just like half the Republican leadership is now one phone call from the FBI away from prison, so then, half the Soviet, Westen European and American populations were one computer screwup away from annihilation.

It’s worth remembering that when Reagan started negotatiating with Gorbachev, the nascent neocons of the time (George Will comes to mind) starting implying that he was senile and was giving away the store. They were apoplectic Reagan believed his own rhetoric about wanting peace with the Russians.

Those are the people in charge now.

brendan @ 144

Ed*ard Teller @ 124

The late 50s through the exit of Kruschev in 1964 were a critical time. Then the MAD paradigm sort of took over until the mentors of the current generation of neo-cons came up with incredibly destablizing weapon systems like the Trident submarine and the Pershing missile. That was just as scary as the earlier B-52 times which inspiered Dr. Strangelove. Just like half the Republican leadership is now one phone call from the FBI away from prison, so then, half the Soviet, Westen European and American populations were one computer screwup away from annihilation.

It’s worth remembering that when Reagan started negotatiating with Gorbachev, the nascent neocons of the time (George Will comes to mind) starting implying that he was senile and was giving away the store. They were apoplectic Reagan believed his own rhetoric about wanting peace with the Russians.

Those are the people in charge now.

And Nixon met with Mao.

egregious @ 105

Just joined facebook. Crush Stoller! Or whatever the goal du jour is.

—E. Greg Ious

OK – that does it – am gonna figure this facebook thingy out if it takes me all summer, fall and winter. ;~(

npb—Some people use firedoglake as a last name and fdl handle as a first name to stay anon. You have to give an email to register but after that you can change it to be private, for friends only.

Part 4 – Safeguarding

“(e) Persons authorized to disseminate classified information outside the executive branch shall ensure the protection of the information in a manner equivalent to that provided within the executive branch.”

Okay Cheney…take that Mr. VP Entity.

(a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and, in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President;

(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal Register; and

(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.

d) Original classification authorities must receive training in original classification as provided in this order and its implementing directives. Such training must include instruction on the proper safeguarding of classified information and of the criminal, civil, and administrative sanctions that may be brought against an individual who fails to protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure.

NPB – try it … not hard at all and quite entertaining.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 84

Raw Story update: Cheney’s chief of staff rebukes Kerry on Cheney’s secrecy oversight

John Byrne
Published: Tuesday June 26, 2007

In a letter on Vice President Dick Cheney’s stationery, Cheney chief of staff David Addington issued a letter to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) today defending the Vice President’s interpretation of his office being outside the executive branch.

A copy of the letter was provided to RAW STORY.

“Dear Senator Kerry,” Addington writes. “The executive order on classified national security information — Executive Order 12958 as amended in 2003 — makes clear that the Vice President is treated like the President and distinguishes the two of them from ‘agencies.’”

No longer satisfied with the Vice President’s office’s claim that Cheney is actually an admixture between the legislative and executive branch, Addington now posits that the Vice President’s office is not an “agency.”

“The executive order gives the [Information Security Oversight Office], under the supervision of the Archivist of the United States, responsibility to oversee certain activities of ‘agencies,’ but not of the Vice President or the President.”

(snip)

To get right down to the nitty gritty, what they are saying is that the President and the Vice President are exempt from any oversight in regard to protection of classified national security secrets.

That is scarey as hell.

Gives new meaning to outting a CIA agent, don’t you think?

Apart the bomb shelter stuff, watching Kruschev pound his shoe on the podium at the UN was the most vivid scary moment I remember.

Valley Girl @ 152

Apart the bomb shelter stuff, watching Kruschev pound his shoe on the podium at the UN was the most vivid scary moment I remember.

Like many WWII Russians, Kruschev didn’t bathe much (that’s why cologne was invented, BTW). When he whipped his shoe off, it was an attack by a WMD (Weapon of Mass Disgusticulation). My boss was about fifty feet away and HE could smell the delicious aroma of Kremlin Foot (similar to athlete’s foot except no physical activity is required.)

Alfred Kelgarries @ 153

Valley Girl @ 152

Apart the bomb shelter stuff, watching Kruschev pound his shoe on the podium at the UN was the most vivid scary moment I remember.

Like many WWII Russians, Kruschev didn’t bathe much (that’s why cologne was invented, BTW). When he whipped his shoe off, it was an attack by a WMD (Weapon of Mass Disgusticulation). My boss was about fifty feet away and HE could smell the delicious aroma of Kremlin Foot (similar to athlete’s foot except no physical activity is required.)

707 Alfred!!! That is so funny!!! Ewwwwww…

FYI, on the link it claimed that she could not get a weather forcast for this summer. hmm..
Tell her to get insurance for the weather. They will know what they are insuring.
http://www.globalweatherinsurance.com