In reading through the second installment of the Barton Gellman and Jo Becker Cheney expose in the WaPo, this quote from Alberto Mora, former chief counsel for the US Navy kept coming to mind: “To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values.”
I remembered it from an insightful piece that Sidney Blumenthal did for Salon a while back, quoting this brilliant work of Jane Mayer in The New Yorker on the infighting that had taken place within the Department of Defense between the Rumsfeld and Cheney-installed torture proponents and the long-time military stalwarts who knew that the consequences of American forces engaging in the very behaviors that we had fought against since our nation’s inception was the sin that the world would not forgive. And that it would further endanger our men and women in uniform across the globe, along with their counterparts in the State Department and in intelligence agencies as well.
That these experienced, dedicated military legal professionals — heading up all branches of the service as well as the nation’s JAG officers and several intelligence and foreign service legal experts, were all shouted down and overruled by the likes of Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, David Addington, Donald Rumsfeld, Stephen Cambone, and John Yoo, among others, is a testament to just how much power Dick Cheney wields with the President of the United States. And it also speaks volumes about the substantial lack of wisdom of George W. Bush.
From the Gellman and Becker piece today:
Over the next 12 months, Congress and the Supreme Court imposed many of the restrictions that Cheney had squelched.”The irony with the Cheney crowd pushing the envelope on presidential power is that the president has now ended up with lesser powers than he would have had if they had made less extravagant, monarchical claims,” said Bruce Fein, an associate deputy attorney general under President Ronald Reagan. Flanigan, a founding member of that crowd, said he still believes that Addington and Yoo were right in their “application of generally accepted constitutional principles.” But he acknowledged that many battles ended badly. “The Supreme Court,” Flanigan said, “decided to change the rules.” Even so, Cheney’s losses were not always as they appeared.
On Oct. 5, 2005, the Senate voted 90 to 9 in favor of McCain’s Detainee Treatment Act, which included the Geneva language [Read the bill]. It was, by any measure, a rebuke to Cheney. Bush signed the bill into law. “Well, I don’t win all the arguments,” Cheney told the Wall Street Journal.
Yet Cheney and Addington found a roundabout path to the exceptions they sought for the CIA, as allies in Congress made little-noticed adjustments to the bill.
The final measure confined only the Defense Department to the list of interrogation techniques specified in a new Army field manual. No techniques were specified for CIA officers, who were forbidden only in general terms to employ “cruel” or “inhuman” methods. Crucially, the new law said those words would be interpreted in light of U.S. constitutional law. That made a big difference to Cheney.
The Supreme Court has defined cruelty as an act that “shocks the conscience” under the circumstances. Addington suggested, according to another government lawyer, that harsh methods would be far less shocking under circumstances involving a mass-casualty terrorist threat. Cheney may have alluded to that advice in an interview with ABC’s “Nightline” on Dec. 18, 2005, saying that “what shocks the conscience” is to some extent “in the eye of the beholder.”
Eager to put detainee scandals behind them, Bush’s advisers spent days composing a statement in which the president would declare support for the veto-proof bill on detainee treatment. Hours before Bush signed it into law on Dec. 30, 2005, Cheney’s lawyer intercepted the accompanying statement “and just literally takes his red pen all the way through it,” according to an official with firsthand knowledge.
Addington substituted a single sentence. Bush, he wrote, would interpret the law “in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief.”
Cheney’s office had used that technique often. Like his boss, Addington disdained what he called “interagency treaties,” one official said. He had no qualms about discarding language “agreed between Cabinet secretaries,” the official said.
Top officials from the CIA, Justice, State and Defense departments unanimously opposed the substitution, according to two officials. The ranking national security lawyer at the White House, John B. Bellinger III, warned that Congress would view Addington’s statement as a “stick in the eye” after weeks of consensus-building by national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley.
None of that mattered. With Cheney’s weight behind it, White House counsel Harriet E. Miers sent Addington’s version to Bush for his signature. “The only person in Washington who cares less about his public image than David Addington is Dick Cheney,” said a former White House ally. “What both of them miss is that ….. in times of war, a prerequisite for success is people having confidence in their leadership. This is the great failure of the administration — a complete and total indifference to public opinion.”
Here’s a good question for everyone this morning: who exactly are these “allies in Congress” — because I think that the American public is entitled to know who, exactly, sold out the nation’s morality and commitment to the rule of law for the Dick Cheney stamp of approval. Orrin Hatch? Pat Roberts? Pete Hoekstra? Joe Lieberman? How many more? I want names, and I want them yesterday.
Go back and read the Mora piece that Jane Mayer did back in February of 2006. And couple that reading with this equally exceptional piece that Mayer did on David Addington from July of 2006. There was a particular segment in that piece that explained so much of the Cheney and his loyal minions mentality — because it is not fully available online at The New Yorker site, I want to share it with you here:
Addington has proved deft at outmaneuvering his critics. Documents embarrassing to Addington’s opponents have been leaked to the press, if not necessarily by him. A top-secret N.S.C. memo describing Powell’s request to reconsider the suspension of the Geneva Conventions appeared in the Washington Times the day after it was circulated to the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Vice-President; the article cited unnamed sources who accused Powell of “bowing to pressure from the political left.” The Administration lawyer said, “The way Addington works, he controls the flow of information very tightly.” Addington chastised a Justice Department official who showed a legal opinion on the treatment of detainees to the State Department. He repeatedly directed Gonzales, the White House counsel, to keep Bellinger, the N.S.C. lawyer, out of meetings about national-security issues. “Lip-lock” is the word Addington’s old Pentagon colleague Sean O’Keefe, now the chancellor of Louisiana State University, used to describe his discretion. “He’s like Cheney,” O’Keefe said. “You can’t get anything out of him with a crowbar.” The Administration lawyer said, “He’s a bully, pure and simple.” Several talented top lawyers who challenged Addington on important legal matters concerning the war on terror, including Patrick Philbin, James Comey, and Jack Goldsmith, left the Administration under stressful circumstances. Other reform-minded government lawyers who clashed with Addington, including Bellinger and Matthew Waxman, both of whom were at the N.S.C. during Bush’s first term, have moved to the State Department.
Waxman, a young lawyer who headed the Pentagon’s office of detainee affairs, departed soon after he had a major confrontation with Addington over the issue of clarifying military rules for the treatment of prisoners. Waxman believed that international standards for the humane treatment of detainees should be followed, and argued for reforms in the Army Field Manual. He hoped to reinstate the basic standards that are specified in the Geneva Conventions. This meant the prohibition of torture, overt acts of violence, and “outrages on personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” Although the Vice-President’s office is not part of the military chain of command, last September Addington summoned Waxman to his office and berated him. Waxman declined to comment on the incident, but a former colleague in the Pentagon, in whom Waxman confided, said that Addington accused Waxman of wanting to fight the war on terror his own way, rather than the President’s way. The Army Field Manual still hasn’t been revised, and, according to those involved, Addington and his protégé Haynes remain the major obstacles.
Last fall, Richard Shiffrin, the Pentagon lawyer who was left out of the Administration’s initial discussions of the military commissions, learned from the Times about the Administration’s decision to sanction warrantless domestic electronic surveillance by the National Security Agency. This was remarkable, because Shiffrin was the Pentagon lawyer in charge of supervising the N.S.A.’s legal advisers. “It was exceptional that I didn’t know about it – extraordinary,” Shiffrin said. “In the prior Administration, on anything involving N.S.A. legal issues I’d have been made aware. And I should have been in this one.”
Shortly after September 11th, Addington and Cheney, without alerting Shiffrin, held meetings with top N.S.A. lawyers in the Vice-President’s office and told them that the President, as Commander-in-Chief, had the authority to override the FISA statutes and not seek warrants from the special court. According to the Times, Addington and Cheney pushed the N.S.A. to engage in practices that the agency thought were illegal, such as the warrantless wiretapping of American suspects making domestic calls. General Michael Hayden, the former head of the N.S.A., who was recently confirmed as director of the C.I.A., has denied being pressured. Shiffrin, however, doubted that the N.S.A. lawyers were expert enough in Article II of the Constitution, which defines the President’s powers, to argue back. He described the Administration’s legal arguments on wiretapping as “close calls.”
Others are more critical. Fourteen prominent constitutional scholars, representing a range of political views, recently wrote an open letter to Congress, claiming that the N.S.A. surveillance program “appears on its face to violate existing law.” The scholars noted that Bush had made no effort to amend the FISA law to suit national-security needs – he simply ignored it. The Republican legal activist Bruce Fein said, “What makes this so sinister is that the members of this Administration have unchecked power. They don’t care if the wiretapping is legal or not.” But the former high-ranking Administration lawyer suggested that the situation is more serious than an intentional infraction of the law. “It’s not that they think they’re skirting the law,” he said. “They think that this is the law.”
Fein suggested that the only way Congress will be able to reassert its power is by cutting off funds to the executive branch for programs that it thinks are illegal. But this approach has been tried, and here, too, Addington has had the last word. John Murtha, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, put a provision in the Pentagon’s appropriations bills for 2005 and 2006 forbidding the use of federal funds for any intelligence-gathering that violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects the privacy of American citizens. The White House, however, took exception to Congress’s effort to cut off funds. When President Bush signed the appropriations bills into law, he appended “signing statements” asserting that the Commander-in-Chief had the right to collect intelligence in any way he deemed necessary. The signing statement for the 2005 budget, for instance, noted that the executive branch would “construe” the spending limit only “in a manner consistent with the President’s constitutional authority as Commander-in-Chief, including for the conduct of intelligence operations.”
According to the Boston Globe, Addington has been the “leading architect” of these signing statements, which have been added to more than seven hundred and fifty laws. He reportedly scrutinizes every bill before President Bush signs it, searching for any language that might impinge on Presidential power. These wars of words are yet another battlefront between Addington and Congress, and some constitutional scholars find them troubling. Few of the signing statements were noticed until one of them was slipped into Bush’s signing of the McCain amendment. The language was legal boilerplate, reserving the right to construe the legislation only as it was consistent with the Constitution. But, considering that Cheney’s office had waged, and lost, a public fight to defeat the McCain amendment democratically – the vote in the Senate was 90-9 – the signing statement seemed sneaky and subversive.
For Cheney, as for Libby and Addington and their ilk, the rule of law is a malleable construct that is to be gotten around when it suits them, with consequences that will be dealt with if and only if someone forces their hand. We saw that time and time again in the Traitorgate investigation and the subsequent trial of Libby — everything was done to protect the secrecy requirements and the backstage power of Vice President Cheney.
“To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values.” It is, and always has been, about Cheney being able to remake the American government in his own image of what it should be. Everything in his public career — everything — has been about pushing his view of the world on everyone else. He has developed the skills necessary to achieve this goal, and understands better than most folks in Congress that legislative maneuvering can be a very powerful skill, indeed — and with a pliant GOP-controlled Congress up until this past January, he worked that angle to his advantage time and time again.
On the Administrative end, Cheney has populated agency after agency with his loyalists, including especially the national security, defense and White House apparatus, but also the lesser acknowledged State Department, Homeland Security and Department of Justice positions that are crucial back-ups to his agenda and positions. And he has enforced his mandates through a bully and purge tactic, time and time again. From Part I:
…While lawyers fought over the 2000 Florida ballot recount, with the presidential election in the balance, Cheney was already populating a prospective Bush administration. Brian V. McCormack, then his 26-year-old personal aide, said Cheney worked three cellphones from the round kitchen table of his townhouse in McLean, “making up lists” of nominees beginning with the secretaries of state, defense and the Treasury.”His focus was that we need to prepare for the event that [the recount] comes out in our favor, because we will have a limited time frame,” McCormack recalled.
Close allies found positions as chief and deputy chief of the Office of Management and Budget, deputy national security adviser, undersecretary of state, and assistant or deputy assistant secretary in numerous Cabinet departments. Other loyalists — including McCormack, who progressed to assignments in Iraq’s occupation authority and then on Bush’s staff — turned up in less senior, but still significant, posts.
In the years that followed, crossing Cheney would cost some of the same officials their jobs. David Gribben, a friend from graduate school who became the vice president’s chief of legislative affairs, said Cheney believes in the “educational use of power.” Firing a disloyal or poorly performing official, he said, sometimes “sends a signal crisply.” Cheney believes he is “using his authority to serve the American people, and he’s obviously not afraid to be a rough opponent,” Gribben said….
In order to insure that you win the game, you make your own rules up as you go along and you rig the board in your favor. Cheney is a master of behind-the-scenes manipulation — he’s picked up lessons on how to maneuver through the ins and outs of legislative details at a time when far too few on the Hill or in the White House have the patience or the intellectual curiousity to bother with something as boring as all of the details of legislative craftsmanship. He slipped through the lax attitude that is pervasive in Washington — or at least was so long as the GOP controlled Congress and acted as a rubber stamp parliament for the Bush reign. But this must end — and should have a long time ago had Democratic leaders paid close enough attention to what was being done behind the scenes and behind their backs.
The slip-in provision by a top Specter staffer (and former Hatch acolyte) alone should have been a giant wake-up call to everyone in Congress to get up off their butts and do their damn jobs. Frankly, that sort of slack-assed work ethic is as shameful as it is damaging, and it has to stop. Here was someone who was clearly attuned to the Cheney agenda, wouldn’t you say? How many more worker bees have been carefully placed in the halls of power to do the same sort of work — and how many more such slip-ins will it take before the people we elect to protect the nation’s interests actually start doing so from the get go with any and all legislative pieces that slip through the giant cracks in oversight?
“To preserve flexibility, they were willing to throw away our values.” That really says it all, doesn’t it?
(Eric Draper/AP photo via this fantastic Charlie Savage article in the Boston Globe on the Cheney role in shaping Presidential signing statements and other unitary executive power grab theories from November, 2006.)
PS — You may remember Mr. Tim Flanigan as the person who was initially proposed as a replacement for Comey when he resigned. Gee, wonder who suggested Flanigan for that position? (Oh, and to supervise Fitzgerald’s investigation…fox, meet henhouse…)



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Hi Christy
Good morning Christy.
Allowing Cheney into the White House will forever be remembered as the biggest mistake this generation and this country ever made.
My father, bless his long gone soul, worked for the WPA here in Oklahoma, before shipping off to Normandy. Many of the roads and bridges he worked on are still in use. Papa was a dyed in the wool FDR Democrat. As am I.
When Bush, Cheney, Rove and Grover Norquist dream of starving government, they are also dreaming about starving people.
TexB @ 2
Dubya: Worst
PresidentPuppet Ever.Another must read from Marcy.
Yes, we do read what you write!
Cheney and everyone associated with him need to be out of office NOW! By association, anyone and everyone he touches is guilty of condoning torture or cruelty or whatever other hair-splitting terms they come up with.
This is sick, and it is not at all what our United States stands for. I know that I sure do not…
When Cheney was making all those little visits to the CIA in the run-up to the Iraq attack, what, at the time, did you think he was doing? Gee.
From above The Supreme Court has defined cruelty as an act that “shocks the conscience”…
Aha! There it is. These pigs in the WH have no fu**ing conscience.
Sojourner @ 7
We may need the help of the rest of the world on that one. Our own Democrats are too worried about seeming partisan.
Sojourner @ 7
Ditto…………
Good morning, Christy and FDLers! Coffee is a wonder durg….
Where is the tipping point, already?
Going from breathless to breathless to breathless accounts over the years – first by informed bloggers and finally by MSM, just when do “the people” exert its will on the government?
Has that been lost for all time?
Apparently by 5-4, Supreme Court just ruled that tax payers don’t have standing to object to Bush’s faith-based
payoffs to fundiesfunding.I read your site every day! I really miss Steve!!
Cheney deserves to roast in what ever hell his twisted mind frets over every day. When will the line be crossed, when will our people say enough? I am just a simple country man, I learned long ago that violence is the last resort of the incompetent, but what our “Leaders” have done to us and our children, cannot be left unpunished.
I vow not to rest until all of them are brought to justice. I will not be quiet anymore.
Most of those in my Democratic Party, when it comes to confronting Bush, Cheney and Rove, are just plain ‘yellow’.
Gerald at 14 — We all miss Steve. He would have cut through the Cheney malarky with a righteous smackdown, wouldn’t he? *sniffle*
We can go on catagorizing his crimes, but until the DOJ decides to investigate Cheney, or enforce the rule of law in the WH, nothing is going to happen. So nothing will happen, because Gonzo is making sure nothing will happen.
The result is that Cheney not only continues to break the law, but also that he becomes more brazen about it.
Wait for the pardon of Libby. It’s coming in the next few weeks. Probably around September, when the news will be about the next surge and Congress’ inability to stop it.
I know I keep repeating this, but it’s true. If you want to stop Bush and Cheney, the first step is getting Gonzo out of office.
Scarecrow @ 13
Just saw that myself at SCOTUSBlog. They also mention that the 5 vote majority did NOT overrule an earlier case (Flast v Cohen) that provides for taxpayer standing, so I’m really curious to see the court’s reasoning in the full opinion (not yet out).
Dems in Congress must confront this via impeachment. Anything less and they will be exposed as paper tigers.
In the sue-your-pants-off lawsuit — the judge just ruled the guy who brought the suit against the dry cleaners
is a jerkfailed to make his case.Peterr @ 18
These guys don’t overrule anything; they just ignore precedent. It’s the strict constructionist way.
Scarecrow at 20 — Good. Dumbest thing I’ve heard in ages and the worst part of it was the doofus was a judge, too. Sheesh. Ranks right up there with woman who put hot coffee in her crotch and then sued McDonalds because it was hot. (Um…duh. It’s hot coffee.)
GeorgeSimian @ 17
Is that before or after Congress grows a spine? Or do they grow a spine while impeaching Gonzo?
It’s been 2-3 weeks since major attorney firing news. Suppose the public remembers how many facts point towards Gonzo and Rove?
Good Morning Christy!
It’s outrageous that we get no open hearing, no public accountability on how that little slip-in slipped in.
There can’t be enough sunshine on the dark corners of this administration. Jesselyn Radack weighs in this morning:
Addington…repeatedly directed Gonzales, the White House counsel,…
and most likely continues to do so to this day.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Actually there was a lot more to that story. McDonald’s being warned that the coffee was dangerously hot, the lady requiring treatment for 2nd & 3rd degree burns, etc.
Imagine this. If the Dems don’t get their act together we could be faced with another 8 years of GOPism. And perhaps eight more after that.
And the Supremes just ruled a school can censor student’s free speech rights in the “bong hits for Jesus” lawsuit.
musicsleuth @ 25
And Lindh was an American citizen. So much for THAT argument!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
Talked with my Congressman on Saturday. He said he supports impeachment, but two things are against it.
1) Time factor. I know we’ve been through this before, but he said Bushco would drag their feet long enough to get out of office before anything would come to fruition.
2) 2008. He’s very high on the targeted list for Republicans, so he can’t stick his neck out as much as we’d like him.
I know I’m speaking of one particular race, but I think he spoke for many members of Congress with what he had to say. He did say quite emphatically that the Freshmen are fed up with Rahm and are willing to push him out to get things accomplished.
TexB at 27 — Yes, there was a lot more — but there was also the fact that someone who is dumb enough to put a cup of hot coffee in their crotch is also responsible for the consequences of that action as much as McDonalds was responsible for the coffee being super hot. At some point, there has to be acceptance of responsibility on both sides of the equation — and that case was appalling on a number of grounds.
Gawd that pix at the top grates. And therefore, quite effective.
It is the “effects” of the black gold you see. Everything goes to oil. “Executive Oil” and its bedfellows have again bought congress. The efficiency standards 35mpg are about 30 years to late. Just like with tobacco and its instilled addiction on citizens, gasoline is all about selling gallons of fuel. The more fuel we consume, the more money they make. The longer we sit in traffic, the more money is made. America’s Most regressive cost, “ENERGY!”
BTW, a gallon of milk is now more than a gallon of gasoline!
OKK at 33 — Yep, it’s the idiotic “What, me worr?” look on W’s face that really ticks me off. SIGH
Noonan @ 31
And we need to rid the party of the DLC. I think. ;0)
TexB @ 23
Articles of impeachment are a first step. Then evidence is brought before the Senate, as I understand it. Each testimony and every piece of evidence would be front page news for as long as this went on. Whatever the outcome, which requires majority in the Senate, it would look pretty bad and I don’t see any downside for the Democrats. If they lose, it will be because the Repubs in the Senate vote in the face of Gonzo’s continued use of “I don’t know anything.” Good luck to them.
The real problems I think are more complicated…
From what I’ve read, it’s been debated whether the Attorney General can even be impeached. And you can expect full stonewalling mode for Bush/Cheney/DOJ/GOP, etc as far as evidence is concerned. There would be hearings as to who gets Executive Priveledge and all that, and it would be a constitutional crisis, but if you ask me, there’s already a crisis, it’s just that not a lot of people care yet. Impeachment will make them care. These subjects need to come out in the papers.
It’s interesting that the inner workings of the Cheney Conspiracy are being exposed at the same time as we ponder his claim of exemption from controls on the executive branch. Every maneuver described in the “Angler” series depended on the assertion of the president’s unitary authority, yet he is denying that authority when he is called upon to account for his actions.
The series describe intrigues and betrayals that should be out of place in a constitutional democracy. We do need names. Some individuals stood up while others (including some in Congress) sold them out, betraying us all.
And any day during his administration–from inauguration up until today–George W. Bush could have pulled the rug from under the Cheney Conspiracy. All it would have taken was a minute or two, maybe a break in a nap or a vacation, for the president of the United States to simply assert his authority telling his administration and the world that Cheney could not exercise the president’s authority independently.
Then the obvious and publicly understood response to any request from the vice president would have been simple enough: Sez who?
Dick Cheney, you are a bad man, but it’s still all George’s fault.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 5
Ah! but who are the people pulling the strings?..it ain’t Cheney, he’s mean but not too bright.
GeorgeSimian @ 17
So you think Bush/Gonzo’s DOJ should investigate Cheney? What ARE you smoking, must be real good stuff! *g*
I really don’t think asking the Executive Branch to investigate itself is a good idea. The House of Representatives SHOULD be impeaching this bunch of crooks. If they’d just go after Gonzo, I’m pretty sure those investigations would allow them to go after the rest.
So, NOW will the Democrats step up the pace and pull out all the stops??? Isn’t there anough evidence for drawing up article of impeachment against Cheney and Gonzalez?? Or will the Democrats continue to pee all over the Constitution, whatever their tortured reasoning?
I’m still reading the article (and the post), but this just offends me:
These guys throw out our Constitution, the War Crimes Statute and the Geneva Convention, then the Supreme court says, “no you can’t,” and Flanigan says, “the court changed the rules.” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had enough?
years ago!
GeorgeSimian @ 37
scarecrow at 42 — You may remember Mr. Flanigan as the person who was initially proposed as a replacement for Comey when he resigned. Gee, wonder who suggested Flanigan for that position? (Oh, and to supervise Fitzgerald’s investigation…fox, meet henhouse…)
Anyone else having trouble with the refresh-o-wheel?
My #46 just jumped ship.
And I am having to hard-refresh each time. Anyone else?
The pic at top does make me want to gag. They look entirely too self-satisfied. Since the wapo cheney series, all I can see in my mind is the very creepy photo & video of cheney lurking & watching on the edge of the rose garden while georgie is giving a presser. Gave me the willies.
As awe inspiring as the national parks are, I do believe
FDL qualifies as a virtual national monument to truth and justice.
It never ceases to amaze me the depth of knowledge that is shared willingly here.
hmm…java’s acting batty, I made a post and see nothing, no moderation, nothing
gonna try again
I’ve been having trouble resolving something in the wapo article and everything I’ve read…the two don’t add up;
before this wapo expose we’ve been informed that the cia and fbi did NOT want torture, they were getting better more accurate more actionable information using the methods developed since geneva protocol
however the wapo article tells us the cia expressed their desire to discard geneva
I’m not buying that at all
Chaney has been running his shadow government at least a year before Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court. He was well prepared for the neocons’ coup and will continue with that agenda even as we drag them out to the yardarm!
perris @ 50
again, java’s batty so I can’t edit, anyway, here’s the passage that just doesn’t add up;
see that?
I can’t believe that happened, we know the cia doesn’t like the information they get through torture it wastes resources on information that is least likely true
Chee-knee and the Ends Justify the Means Crowd.
He told us we’d have to walk in the shadows to deal with “our enemies.”
Just like Bush told us he didn’t have a problem with dictorships as long as he got to be dictator.
They’re doin’ it for our own good, doncha know. Can’t say they didn’t tell us….
TexB @ 47
ya, hard refresh to see anything…it’s as if there’s a new post on top of this one
bizarre
all my posts disapeared and I’m pretty sure there was nothing in them to upset anyone
tough day at the lake, are we getting hacked right now?
The shadow if Dick Cheney looms large. Perhaps his TIA program is kicking in.
-GSD
James Joyce@34
It is the “effects” of the black gold you see. Everything goes to oil. “Executive Oil” and its bedfellows have again bought congress. The efficiency standards 35mpg are about 30 years to late. Just like with tobacco and its instilled addiction on citizens, gasoline is all about selling gallons of fuel. The more fuel we consume, the more money they make. The longer we sit in traffic, the more money is made. America’s Most regressive cost, “ENERGY!”
You have hit the nail on the head, the real issue is energy and how this administration has conspired with the ” big energy cartel”. It isn’t just oil that has benefited from this administation. When oil rises in price, coal is quick to follow. And when fuel costs rise so does the price of electricity.
During the Clinton administration the price of crude was lower in real dollars than at any time since the first OPEC oil embargo. This was bad for coal because cheap oil left coal at a competitive disadvantage.It certainly didn’t long for the current administration to change that and we have been facing rising energy costs ever since.
Is it just me or did others here find it odd that the only respite in rising energy prices was in the fall of 2006 just in time to influence the election?
ok, here’s what’s going on for me;
refresh comments brings up new comments, hard refresh loads with only a few comments
then a java refresh comments replaces them again
man this is gonna be a long day because news and commentary is gonna be furious
Another excellent analytical piece, Christy. Can we now also take a good guess as to who decided that General Taguba had to go?
dang! me too… ethers….
anything of mine stuck in the toobz mods?
shoulda saved a copy – pure pearls a wisdom, heh.
oh well…
I guess there’s a server problem.
Once upon a time Congress was worried about a soiled blue dress, why are they (including the presidential aspirants) showing no concern for our soiled Constitution?
Cheney has taken a dump on our Republic and wiped his sizeable arse with the Constitition, with great indifference, I might add.
Impeach Cheney.
grayslady @ 59
so far I think we are speculating might be the cia with some pay back for Valery
So exactly what did people expect when the Vice President gave a clarion call for working “on the dark side”?
Dark side=evil.
Richard Bruce Cheney, war criminal.
-GSD
*Impeaching the Vice President would be SO partisan.
-Dean Broder
* Speculative Broderella quote.
well, whatever I said in that last post I submitted was brilliant.
Cheney must be pissed at us.
perris @ 58
oh well, clutching last pearl of wisdom that hasn’t disappeared in the toobz…
Thank you OKK. Appreciate your comments today & always…
GeorgeSimian @ 67
oooEEEooo
Elliott @ 66
so brilliant, blinding even
Shrub may, as Gore says, not be stupid, but his intellectual and moral laziness has the same effect: he’s being led by the nose by others, primarily Cheney. (I wonder if Shrub was treated the way Gore describes chickens being hypnotized?)
Impeach Cheney.
perris @ 70
so THAT’s it! ;->
Noonan @ 31–
Did your congressman suggest that Rahm is the one blocking introduction of bills that freshman reps would like to see acted upon? How in the heck did Rahm become so powerful? Does anyone know Pelosi’s opinion of him?
perris @ 70
I’m glad somebody read it.
Cheney is the “great representer of the United States,” the “decider’s assistant.”
grayslady @ 73
Excellent question.
Elliott @ 74
well, I was blinded, couldn’t see it either
*waits for server to calm down*
Christy, you’re brilliant. I’m at a point where I am having to manufacture rage. We’ve been beaten down by these bastards for so long, I start every day in the slough of despond, and slog my way to shore. Thanks for keeping the fire lit. My best thanks is to link to your post in our blog. It ain’t much, but it’s something.
Scarecrow @ 42
The Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution never changed:
These are not bight men; rather they are smart-boys. Think sophomores plotting in a dorm room. Think Lord of the Flies. Boys getting carried away with their own cleverness. “… and then we can argue that …”
Impeach their leaders and convene a war-crimes tribunal.
Brisingamen @ 44
To express your comment in different words, Section 4 of Article II of the Constitution applies to all civil officers of the United States.
Student Speech Rights Limited by Robert’s Court in `Bong Hits’ Case.
Scarecrow @ 42
Flanigan sounds like the JD equivalent to the CPAs who applied Generally Accepted Accounting Practices at Enron.
GSD @ 65
The Republicans gave themselves impeachment immunity with the Clinton impeachment. They still own the MSM and the spin machine and “the partisan witch hunt..not doing the people business” would be the message.
Ditto
Steve —
Please explain.
James Joyce @ 84
Not indifference. Malice and glee.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
christy – are you sure you have the mcdonalds story right? i’ve read that she spilled the coffee (not that she put it in her crotch), that she had third degree burns that required a week in the hospital and multiple skin grafts, that she initially only asked for mcdonalds to help pay her medical bills (they were over $10K) and to lower the temp at which they kept their coffee, when mcdonalds refused, she sued. the large penalty (which was reduced) was because there had been hundreds of prior complaints. and that now mcdonalds has to serve their coffee at a more reasonable temperature.
i don’t know for a fact that this is all true – but certainly, the claims made here and discussed here suggest there is more to the story… maybe even enough to come to quite different conclusions.
i’d be happy to be corrected if you have the inside scoop on what happened. but at this moment, i’d guess that mcdonalds’ pr had something to do with shaping the conventional wisdom on this one.
you guys have to go over to think progress, too many leads to cut and paste, all are mind boggling
TexB @ 86
Who is Dick Chee-knee. What is his backstory…back, back, way back to the Wyoming oil patch…
The Boston Globe had an article this weekend about why Impeachment was off the table. Perhaps this will put it back on. I’m ready for dinner.
First time I remember noticing that the MSM had layed down in the dust with their tummies up ready to be rubbed was during Daddy Bush’s invasion of Panama.
They just waited around to be told by the White House what was happening, then repeated it to the cameras. When Daddy Bush told them how excellent they were, they congratulated themselves on their excellent repeating.
Just saw Jo Becker’s (one of the authors of the WaPoo DeadEye story) name in today’s NYT.. With a quick search, couldn’t tell fer shure if this is the same person, but a Jo Becker at Human Rights Watch also freelances for papers like the WaPoo, so maybe…
The NYT article is a great expose on Rupert Murdoch. This evil man is one of the most destructive forces to our Republic, and the majority of the world’s population (meaning not mega-millionaires). I wish more people would realize how grave Rupee’s influence is, and limit his reach. This article in the NYT is a great place to start. Anybody supporting Hillary should read this, and determine if they really want to support such a close friend of the truly evil Murdoch, who just held two more major fundraisers for Hillary. Ask yourself who the Clintons really advocate for…
Have to keep an eye on Jo Becker. Two great articles in at once in two major papers (if it is the same person of course).
Glorfindel @ 91
Wow. Back that far? I was clueless in those days.
Brisingamen @ 44
indeed, they may be…
i remember well the rhetoric around “Impeach Earl Warren” when his Court actively overturned Plessy in the Brown v. Tulsa decision…
but it nagahapun…
neigher to Abu Gonzo nor to any of the Opus Dei hacks that have been foisted upon us.
Where’s anti-Catholic bigotry when you REALLY need it?
There really is no excuse for allowing these miscreants to slip language into bills at the last minute.
There are programs that allow lengthy legal documents to be checked for alterations, intentional or not, before they are sent for signatures. In the legal world his is called due diligence! Surely, these programs could be slightly modified to check the languge of bills before they are sent for the President’s signature.
If I can go to this trouble on a damn mall lease, I would think our solons could do so on matters that fundamentally impact hundreds of millions of people. Just saying………..
barbara @ 78
here, have some of mine. i’m on rage overload.
selise @ 87
You’re pretty much correct: http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Mar/1/131129.html
selise — what I had heard on that was that she put the coffee between her legs and drove away from the window — it’s been quite a while since that case went to trial, but I remember thinking that wouldn’t have been my first choice to put a hot cuppa coffee. ;-)
Question, Some people at this sight saw Addington testify at the Libby trial. What was his affect/ demeanor like then? Because the more I am reading about the major power players in this country (he being one of them) the more sociopathic I think they and he are.
The other thing that strikes me when reading this article is the certainty and arrogance that these mental midgets possess…almost as if they think these types of instances and legal decisions have never ever presented themselves to any society that has come before us…. And that they know best both legally and morally what is best for all societies. It’s like they believe no other country or administration had ever dealt with the situations or legal questions before them…it’s like they never ever read any history. Those that fail to do so are doomed to repeat it!
Imoho, I truly believe these men (CheeKnee,Addington, Yoo, Flanigan) are sick individuals in our society. Their thought processes have gone haywire…and they’ve used their power and even their intelligence in evil and pathogical ways.
TexB @ 85
I think enough of the “swing” voters saw the Clinton impeachment as a sorry political hatchet job, that they would likely believe that the Dems were doing a payback. That would be the MSM message and I think it would “stick” and damage the Dems in ‘08.
selise @ 96
All right, dammit, I’m FURIOUS again! Thanks for the rage infusion, Selise.
Well phoo!
I HAD started out like a good and proper citizen, saying,
“Good Morning Christy,”
nice-like, & all. Thanks for this post The more light on this subject the better…
guess i better get out to the garden where i can do something useful for a change…
I hope the hamsters calm down… server hiccups ain’t fun… too many goblins out there in the ethers… ;->
Torture is “the sin that the world would not forgive.”
Oh, Christy! You are so right! Everyone else in the entire world has no problem seeing that torturers have no moral compass.
Our ship of state has gone badly awry, and it’s all happening while the nation is busy watching American Idol.
I think impeachment isn’t likely, for reasons best put forth by Digby and emptywheel — even though there’s clearly a need for it.
Instead, if — and it’s a big if — the Democrats prevail in 2008, then perhaps a truth and reconciliation commission to review the actions of the Bush/Cheney Administration would address some, if not all, of the concerns that would otherwise be addressed through impeachment.
perris @ 52
I think we make a mistake when we think of THE CIA as a single, unified entity. There are lots of opposing forces within that community and it is likely that both opinions were being expressed. It is also worth remembering that even the folks in the CIA who deny the efficacy of torture support other clearly illegal techniques like sensory deprivation. Further, it is not clear who stands where on things like kidnapping, murder, etc.
Just saying…
TexB @ 85
impeachment procedings against the Chimperor, Cheney, or really any Bushevik, would immediately be portrayed in the Fucktard Echo Chamber–and directly repeated by the SCUM (SoCalledUnbiasedMedia)–as nothing more or less than payback for the GOPuke impeachment effort against the Clenis…
it would be portrayed as pure partisanship…
the pukes effectively disarmed impeachment aas an instrument of internal political action by their frantic, futile attempt to do WJC…
well, not futile, because it did accomplish that one thing: immunizing the Puke powers against it as a tool of accountability.
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radiofreewill @ 103
Which is why I said we’ll likely need the help of the rest of the world on this.
Off to work. Hope to return this evening.
wigwam @ 97
ya, that’s correct, in addition mcdonnalds had been warned and fined that their coffee exceeded health department standards and they were informed their coffee would cause third degree burns
they didn’t care and they wanted to challenge the health dept.s authority telling them how hot to serve their coffee
their coffee was something like 30 degrees over alowable temperature, this makes them more money, people drink less and enjoy more
any normal person would awarded this women in this case
The arguments against impeachment appear to be primarily party over country. What am I missing?
I am still confused: can the president and vice president be tried after leaving office for crimes in office? What about WH staff?
Thanks for the continued indulgence of my novice and not well-informed questions.
Repost but interesting “process story” on the WaPO Cheney story…
Is WaPo at war over Cheney?
by mcjoan
Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 06:43:13 PM PDT
Laura Rozen has a fascinating insight from a reader and newspaper editor friend in response to the Post’s Cheney piece:
A careful reading of the story of Cheney’s coup against a feeble executive reveals that paragraphs 7 through 10 were written and inserted in haste by a powerful editorial hand. The banging of colliding metaphors in an otherwise carefully written piece is evidence of last-minute interpolations by a bad editor whom no one has the power to rewrite….
That in turn suggests that this piece has been ready to run for some time. Insertions like the one about the veep’s office not being part of the executive branch and seriatim “softenings” show that jamming it into the paper at the end of June, when only cats and the homeless are around the read the paper, was made at the last minute….
This series is a landscape of an internal war. Parts of it are still smoking and some reputations are visibly dying–anonymously, for the moment. The journalistic graves registration people will go in later and tag the corpses.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/24/214027/649
Christy asks::
Well we can start with all the usual suspects including Hatch and Spector. Add in Frist and McConnell. Top with most of the House Judiciary majority from the 109th Congress leading with the execrable Lamar Smith and Chris Cannon.
The argument continues concerning impeachment. There’s not enough time, individual Congress members are fearful of sticking their neck’s out, the Dems are collecting the “goods” to establish a winning case, some Republicans have to be on board for impeachment to proceed. Add your own favorites. One can’t help but ask “What if Congress does not impeach?” What if the Dems in Congress do prove to be nothing more than paper tigers? What is to be done next to hold this Administration accountable? What is to be done to hold individuals accountable once they leave their positions? It’s painfully clear that the DOJ has been so politicized over the last 6 1/2 years that to expect anything from them is wishful thinking. The questions comes back to “What’s to be done?”
Good morning from L.A. An excellent post, CHS. The title says it all, agreed. I’d go one further & say these, uh, fellows were & are willing to throw us away by the thousands along w/our values.
Leaving for research work up @ AFI, but just want to say I’m really looking forward to the take of folks like Larry Johnson & Joe Wilson on the WaPo four parter/latest Cheney revelations…
N=1 @ 109
Not if they’ve pardoned each other and all the rest of their co-conspirators.
The only thing missing from that photo is the matching tee shirts — the one on Cheney saying “I’m with Stupid” with the arrow point to Bush, and the one on Bush saying “Stupid” and the arrow pointing up.
The day will come, when arrayed in his one-size-fits-all orange jumpsuit, the guards will tell him: “No more boom-boom for you Cheney-san! You bad boy! You numbah ten!”
I can dream, can’t I? *g*
Back in the days of the Clinton impeachment run up, Daniel Shore on NPR opined that one of the foundational reasons for Starr pushing the process with such slime and gall, was to intentionally disgust the public wrt the Independent Prosecutor provision. And sure enough, when it came time to renew the IP act, everyone was so apalled by what had happened that they gladly let the Republican congress let it die.
Now, when we need it, we don’t have the legal tool.
-ck- @ 115
darkblack, calling darkblack….
Christy Hardin Smith @ 98
from my previous links, that’s not what happened. here’s a bit of the story from my previous links:
there’s a lot more… like mcdonalds used to serve their coffee at 180-190 degrees (instead of the 140 degrees you drink at home or the up to 155 degrees at other resturants)
anyway, i just feel bad for her. after going through all that (pain, surgery, bills, court)… how must she have felt and feel today to be so publicly mocked by so many people?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 98
Right, but the key question was around dispensing hot drinks within a safe temperature range. It’s a fitness for use question. Here the use is obviously for use within a mobile environment. Suppose instead of her crotch she had simply been passing the coffee into the back seat and it spilled on their baby who then got the burns. Let’s be careful about blaming the victims. Too easy to do.
radiofreewill @ 103
Especially when we’ve ALWAYS claimed the moral high ground by refusing to sanciton torture and slamming those countries and individuals who do torture.
We have lost SO much of our selves in the last seven years that we may never be able to recover.
-ck- @ 115
Paging darkblack…darkblack to the house phone, please…
Marie Roget @ 113
I’m interested to see if and when Al Gore weighs in on this. He is best positioned to speak to VP egregious behavior, with or without his own political aspirations.
Bluetoe @ 112
What’s to be done? Exposure..exposure..exposure.
and work like hell to elect as many Dems as possible in ‘08.
dakine01 @ 111
Well we can start with all the usual suspects including Hatch and Spector. Add in Frist and McConnell. Top with most of the House Judiciary majority from the 109th Congress leading with the execrable Lamar Smith and Chris Cannon.
torture is not an antidote to terror; indeed, it is just more of the same…if there’s any unity in the Dem caucus, it should be on this issue…
but there isn’t…the dems do NOT uniformly and consistently condemn it…
think lie-berman, but there are others–back-banchers, prob’ly–who support the Chimp on these matters…
So, so tired of the “There’s not enough time for impeachment” talk. Really.
Look how much info comes out of the Congressional hearings we’ve been watching the last few months. Imagine Impeachment hearings right off the bat in Jan, Feb, March. As more and more info came out , and the rats started scurrying and turning on each other, we’d probably have so much to impeach upon, that no amount of foot-dragging would be able to stop it. Now, it might be getting too late as our fearless Dem leaders spend months telling us how there isn’t enough time. Didn’t stop the Repukes from impeaching Clinton in a similar time-frame.
That single action alone was probably enough to put Shrub over Gore, just enough to allow the Constitution-haters on the Supreme Court to annoint the Shrub. Gore was connected to the lier and adulter Bill Clinton.
But our Dem leaders will continue to tell us how we little people don’t understand how it works in DeeCee. Please, you tools. Long live Blue America!
Ford Prefect @ 57
Thanks Ford Perfect,
I just hope it is not to late to change it!!!!
IMPEACH THESE CRIMINALS NOW!!!!!!!!
CORPORATE OIL WHORES!!!!!!!!
NATURAL SELECTION CORPORATE T(R)EASON AND “EXECUTIVE OIL”
N=1 @ 109
IANAL but I believe so, as long as the Chimpenfuhrer doesn’t issue the blanket pardons on the morning of 1/20/09 or prior.
I recently read a description of Hitler and his thugs as “The Devil’s Disciples,” a name I will forever apply to Bush-Cheney and Company.
So far, Hersh has traced operational responsibility for some cases of torture to Rumsfeld. And, Gellman and Becker have trace policy responsibility to Cheney.
The next step is that a grand jury should investigate Rumsfeld and presumably indict him. That would put Bush in a particularly difficult spot, since Rumsfeld will be expecting an immediate pardon. And if he doesn’t get it …
realworld @ 120
A-fucking-men, brotha!
MickieD’s served their coffe scalding hot to prevent folks from drinking it fast enough to go for “free refills.”
it was a conscious corpoRat strategy…
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Sally @ 129
Devil Dick and his Disciples….
this is a really good point, especially as it looks like something similar just happened in the house.
it’s too bad the legislative process is so opaque. i’d love to have an army of citizen activist reading every bill before they are voted on.
Sally @ 129
THE ANTICHRIST 2012 is not that far away. That is why the mpg standard is effective till 2020. “RETARDED”
bonkers @ 126
Bonkers,
I was fascinated by the hearings of H2Ogate in the summers of ‘73 and that’s a comparable point to where we are today. At that time, impeachment of Nixon was STILL over a year away.
Any impeachment is a one bullet effort as Alfred Kelgarries reminds us nightly. We shoot and miss and we lose. It is not a PR stunt to get the voters behind us. We have to have the voters solidly behind us by a 3-1 margin to even think of starting it.
That’s not a fun thought but it is a reality.
Exposure and electing Democrats is certainly critical for trying to undo the crimes of this Administration but it doesn’t answer the question “How can those responsible in this Administration be held accountable if there is no impeachment, the DOJ is corrupt and ineffective in pursuing their own and a Federalist Society dominated Supreme Court shows every indication of shielding malfeasance?
Christy, you wanted names. Please add McCain’s to your list. He was the one who added the sanctioning of the good-faith defense to both the Detainee Treatment Act and the MCA. And he was proud of it. Mentioned it in press conferences.
wgg: rogue scholar @ 131
Ohhhh, that makes my coffee-infused blood boil! What the corps won’t think of!
barbara @ 123
Oh yeah. I sincerely hope Gore’s opinion of all this is forthcoming.
Followed your name link to your blog, barbara. Good stuff! :-)
Bluetoe @ 136
there really is no way to hold them accountable, once the legal machineries of impeachment have been defanged, which the spurious, spcious Clenis impeachment did, quite nicely, thank you…
The power of the Prez pardon is absolute…they’ll ALL get theirs, no later than the end of December, 2008.
GAY-RON-FUUKIN-TEEEEEEED, cheaya!
btw:
The Fog of Bloggs
There’s more talk than usual on Woody Guthrie’s Guitar this morning, including a tribute riff by Bill Hicks; also a coupla Bruce Cockburn tunes, and a short set by Jazz For Peace.
http://www.woodyguthriesguitar.blogspot.com
On the Lamb, we continue to report the enormous disjunctures between the casualties incurred by the ‘Troops’ in the perpetual ICORP of Iraq and the services and facilities available at home to heal the injured. http://www.thewell-armedlamb.blogspot.com
Then, on the Pond, read about the efforts of Darth Cheney and Turdblossom Rove to obfuscate and deny the effects of the global climate crisis, and human agency in it. http://www.walled-in-pond.blogspot.com
Gonna be a scorcher in the High Chihuahuan today, probably close to 100 F in el Valle del Medio de Rio Bravo. Stay cool, wherever you are…
the Older I Get, The Better I Usta Be…
The scary part is, while Congress dithers about what it can [safely] do, Cheney is busy at his nefarious work. How much more will be destroyed while the congresscritters wonder and fulminate?
dakine01 @ 128
he can’t pardon himself, can he?
I can envision a good political cartoon where he’s just signed the last pardon, and then he realizes…….
Unfortunately I can’t draw.
Marie Roget @ 139
Thanks! Oh, lordy, is this pimping? NOOOOOO!!!
Glorfindel @ 141
Amen. The paralysis of analysis.
Glorfindel @ 141
since their one and only job from the outset of the regime has been to undermaine, attack, and/or disable any and every effective tool of democratic-republican self-governance, and to sell the People into perpetual indenture to the CorpoRats, oiligarchs and polluto-crats, you can count on everything they touch being turned to shit: the Mierdes Touch…
“Here’s a good question for everyone this morning: who exactly are these “allies in Congress” — because I think that the American public is entitled to know who, exactly, sold out the nation’s morality and commitment to the rule of law for the Dick Cheney stamp of approval.”
Well, Christy, based on the House vote to enable the war on Iran propaganda machine’s continued ramp up, you can add every member of the house except Kucinich and Paul to that list. They were the only “no” votes.
Two.
Not only do they give Dick Cheney their stamp of approval, but Norm as well.
Here’s Norm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bLq6pzOc5w
bonkers @ 144
selise @ 133
That is a great idea. TPM’s example with the Friday night document dumps shows that it would work.
THEN REASON IMPEACHMENT IS NOT MOVING FORWARD IS THE POWER AND CLOUT OF THE “ENERGY LOBBY.” THEY ARE ABLE TO “PURCHASE” DEMS AND REPUBS ALIKE!!!!
WITH EXECUTIVE OIL IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS OWNED BY CORPORATE OIL NOTHING WILL CHANGE. LEAST OF ALL THE WAR FOR CONTROL OF IRAQ’S AL ANBAR OIL. GOOGLE EARTH THE SAUDI PIPLINE ALONG THE IRAQ /SA BORDER. I WONDER IF THE DEAL WAS CUT BY CHENEY AND SAUDI. LORD KNOWS THE IRAQI PEOPLE HAVE NEVER HAD A RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION, UNDER THE BRITS, SADDAM OR US. IT IS A CONTINUED POLICY OF DIVIDE AND CONQUEST TO CONTROL NATURAL RESOURCES NEED BY WESTERN OIL CORPORATIONS TO KEEP ALL DEPENDANT ON THE PRESENT ENERGY DELIVERY SYSTEM
NATURAL SELECTION CORPORATE TREASON AND “EXECUTIVE OIL”
have to leave for a while…gonna be nail biting waiting to read more at the lake when I come back
James Joyce @ 127
Here is another interesting tidbit, the street prices for heroin and cocaine have fallen to historical lows when corrected for inflation. Last week the MSM was all over the story about the three dollar ‘cheese heroin’ being sold in Texas, Am I the only one here who is seeing the ghost of Iran Contra?
What is starting to bother me is the growing conventional wisdom of the Bush Right that “when we have another terrorist attack” people will come around.
I am hearing that more and more these days.
-GSD
James Joyce @ 149
Passion is a good thing, but shouting so much will only hurt your throat and cause others to turn off the sound.
In naming names, I would have to repeat that of Orrin Hatch. I have remarked on this before but in developing my scandals list one of the things that jumped out at me is just how many Hatch proteges show up in and around DOJ misdeeds: Kyle Sampson, Brett Tolman (inserter of 2 provisions into the Patiot Act), Jeff Taylor (USA for DC), Wan Kim (current head of the Civil Rights Division). There are probably a lot more but these are the ones I know of off the top of my head.
Arlen Specter: Not only did he shepherd the Roberts and Alito nominations through the confirmation process. He also tried to engineer a couple of
sellouts“compromises” on the NSA wiretapping which would have legalized retroactively everything the NSA was doing. For various reasons, these NSA efforts filed.A similar “compromise” occurred around the McCain Torture bill. IIRC it wasn’t just him but Warner and Lindsey Graham were also in on the deal. And it wasn’t just the signing statement. The 3 of them claimed concessions from the WH even though Bush and company never backed off any specific technique, including waterboarding (although McCain tried to allege the contrary).
Jon Kyl it should be remembered engaged with Lindsey Graham in a “faked” Senate dialogue which they inserted in an amicus brief in the Hamdan case.
A lot of the Republicans are rotten but the 3 that I would pick out for special attention as Bush enablers are: Hatch, Specter, and Graham.
Of course, none of this gets to really whack Senators like Jeff Sessions who openly favors torture and was big on the voter fraud long before it became a wingnut talking point.
None of this gets to the House members are usually even crazier, more ignorant, and generally scummier.
GSD @ 152
it must be countered by;
if there’s another terrorist attack it will be BECAUSE of Bush just like the first one was
Come on…let’s all say it together……PNAC
Myrtle June @ 146
Wow. That’s a disturbing video. The fact that anyone listens to the Pod People is truly scary. To think of all the Iranians that took to the streets to support the U.S. after 9/11, and the millions there that are protesting their current warmongering President, and this disgusting blob of a man wants to start bombing their country?!?!
Why Jabba the Putz isn’t laughed out of the studio is beyond me.
Glorfindel @ 141
I wish Congress would fulminate. It might be an improvement. At least the visual effects would be worth seeing.
(To fulminate is to explode suddenly, in a verbal attack or physically. Think ‘fulminate of mercury’.)
Bluetoe @ 136
Tar, feathers and pitchforks? Effigies? Seems like the admin veterans learned their lessons from Iran-Contra and got a second chance when Congress gave Dick’s cronies their security clearances.
GSD @ 152
Not that logic is ever their strong point, but ya might point out to them that when that happens, they won’t be able to talk about how “fighting them over there to keep from fighting them over here” is no longer operative. Nor will they be able to brag about how “no attacks since 9/11″ even though WE know that is a fallacy.
Steve @ 148
keep an eye on the louisdb project (still in beta) from the sunlight foundation… they’re trying to help us.
Reading the second piece this morning, I thought as well of all the Nazi phrases and realities. Like the Butcher whom we all know. And the surrounding silence. These are the kind of people who would do scientific experiments to determine what shocks the conscience. A necessity since no one has one. Sane people in this country are not going to feel better, that is, not sad and nauseous until there is some real leadership and action to make these people truly impotent. Waxman is doing a great job, also Conyers: where can we get them some added help. Someone told me to write my legis. people: that would be Cornyn and Hutchison, you see.
oddmommy @ 142
President Bush can pardon Cheney(and everyone else)and then resign. Whereupon, President Cheney can pardon Bush.
Again in the spirit of naming names, these are the 9 Senators who voted against the McCain torture bill:
Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00249
bhatten @ 162
If there will ever be a case for impeachment and/or a war crimes tribunal, this is it. If not now, when?
selise @ 161
Thanks..just bookmarked it.
Dakine,
The Bush Bitter Enders, The Cult of 26% cannot be swayed by even the most piercing logic.
They think: The Christian US is fighting against the crazy Muslims and the battle’s outcome has been predetermined by God.
That’s the nut of it all.
Whatever is done by the US has the tacit approval of God, because it is so.
-GSD
Bong hits for Cheney? The Supremes would go for that sign…
Here is another interesting tidbit, the street prices for heroin and cocaine have fallen to historical lows when corrected for inflation. Last week the MSM was all over the story about the three dollar ‘cheese heroin’ being sold in Texas, Am I the only one here who is seeing the ghost of Iran Contra?”
THIS AM C-SPAN W/J
POPPY IRRADIATION IN AFGHANISTAN
US GOVERNMENT BUYS HEROIN
DESTROYS IT OR SELLS IT ON US STREETS?
SAME THOUGHT CAME TO MIND
IRAN/CONTRA
BTW WHERE IS NEGROPONTE (SP)
Hugh @ 164
The Pro-Torture Nine. Crackers, cavemen and confederates one and all.
wigwam @ 165
When? After 01/20/09. The Dems have to be forced to prosecute. The 1996 War Crimes law is on the books and ready to be used. I don’t think the “we can’t be prosecuted for war crimes” will work. The “come to Jesus” part of the 1996 law is the possibility of the death sentence.
I cannot top AlfredK with his description of Cheney as “DeathStar Branch of Government”.
But RawStory has a somewhat funny story about a Congresscritter Gohmert who was called a “chicken sh*t thief” by another Congresscritter Heath Shuler. Watch Gohmert make a fool of himself on the floor of Congress.
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Gohmert, whose office is on the fifth floor of the Cannon House Office Building, passed the door to Shuler’s office, located on the same floor, and apparently decided to make off with the sign perched on an easel outside the office, which was closed for the night.
The sign is one that all Blue Dogs post outside their offices; it changes daily and denotes the federal deficit as well as the average American’s individual share thereof. Gohmert pinched the sign and then went down to the floor to rail about spending, taking a few jabs at the Democratic majority, of course, and using the purloined poster as a prop. “Frankly, I want one of these signs,” he said. “I may have to change the name to the Blue Hound Dog Coalition or something.”
bonkers @ 157
Beyond me too.
Beyond me why in hell our House of “Representatives” lays the groundwork for this bit of insanity and after the bombs drop, we’ll all be discussing how did this happen? Who let this happen?
It would be further insanity to bomb Iran, and yet our government lays the foundation right before our eyes.
Cheney has proven his insanity in his “Oh, I’m not under the Executive branch, I’m part of the legislative” so you can’t have my papers. Right here are the grounds for removal from office. Right now.
James Joyce — Please don’t shout in all caps in the comments. Thanks.
selise @ 161
oo thanks, selise!
I’m with GSD! The Bus is going to be packed with Goopers in purple capes, SRO, when it finally goes off the cliff!
And, the Lake has the best seats for watching the long, slow-motion, twisting fall to the end that all of us warned them about.
It’s too stupid for tragedy. This is something worse.
with all this bad press for the vice president, how timely that stories appear about bad blood between cheney and condi. condi has no future at all if she continues to be linked to the cheney administration. i think she is positioning herself for life after w.
Steve @ 171
IMHO, unless we impeach, they’ll all have presidential pardons by 1/20/09. The only thing that can stop that is impeachment. Per Article II Section 2:
OT: HuffingtonPost seems to be down. Anyone know what’s with that?
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Dick Cheney’s Song of America: LINK and PDF
Death penalty..Talk about gallow’s humor. I am totally against the death penalty, but isn’t it ironic that W happens to love it, has set records in its use. I best not go down that road, yet…O well. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. From the grave Ann Richards may smile at a well-deserved pay back.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
I know this is OT, and I know you addressed it somewhat later downthread, but…..
Actually, that case, which is bandied about by the “tort reform” crowd, was in fact not as clear cut as spelled out in the MSM.
There was an article in Rolling Stone years ago (prior to everything being online) about this issue. The lady in question did indeed burn herself badly in a, shall we say, sensitive area, with the hot coffee while going through a drive through in Arizona. Her lawyer initially just tried to get medical bills covered and attempted to settle out of court, but McDonalds Corporation steadfastly refused to give the lady any award whatsoever.
The jury, who was stunned by McDonalds Corp’s obtuseness in this matter, decided to “send a message.” and awarded a large sum (half a mil, I think). The jury said that if McDonalds Corporate had shown any kind of contrition or compassion, they certainly would not have done what they ended up awarding and they certainly did not envision what place the case would end up in American lore.
The end result after a bunch of appeals, etc. is that the award got overturned and the lady got virtually nothing. (her lawyers got paid though)
The hot coffee lawsuit, however, has maintained its presence in urban legend lore and has enabled the tort reform crowd to use it to say how f’d up the legal system is in the U.S.
The case with the administrative judge and the dry cleaner therefore really doesn’t compare.
Re: Addington
This comment is probably way too late, but here goes anyway:
You guys actually saw the guy in person when he testified in the Libby trial.
What struck me as strange at the time of the trial was that FDL’s coverage was relatively restrained in regard to what Addington was testifying to and how he was described.
My question is therefore, does Mayer’s article jive 100 percent with what you guys saw when he testify?
It appears, as a casual observer, that there’s more to this, especially since Addington ’s holy cause, in Mayer’s version and, now in the WP’s version, is executive privilege/privacy.
What doesn’t completely fit here is the fact that he testified rather openly and truthfully and didn’t pull the Gonzalez/Scholzman/Doan “I don’t recall whether I tied my shoes this morning” routine.
Do one of you have some thoughts on this?
My only thought, and not information, is that he may be just too smart to pull that nonsense. Some people would rather lie, etc. than look like a fool. Truly, just a thought.
clem @ 38
Great logic. Bravo! Ding ding ding ding!
2001-2008: The Cheney Presidency
barbara @ 78
I fully agree. It is a brilliant piece. How can it be used to get Addington & Cheney?
The scary part is, while Congress dithers about what it can [safely] do, Cheney is busy at his nefarious work. How much more will be destroyed while the congresscritters wonder and fulminate?
cheney absolutely has to be in bunker mentality, he is absolutely consolidating his political assets and his economic assets
he’s got to try something desperate and very soon…he can afford to wait a few days to see if this has legs, if it does something big is gonna come down to make us certain we have other things to do
this is scary stuff right now, we can possibly immunize if we publisize but the idea that something big happens to this country now because of cheney being exposed needs to be publicsized
I give Cheney lots of credit. He’s cool headed and evil. And for 6 years, he had a Republican party that completely supported. However, they also have flummoxed the Dems, who seem to be unable to strategize, to move off “stalled.”
Apologies to Glorfindel @141. I quoted you in last comment and it did not appear as a quote. My point is last paragraph.