Alfred Kelgarries @ 135

Petrocelli @ 128

Get to work, AK !!! *g*

AK on Part 3: It says flatly that Dick Cheney made the President throw out the stock dividends tax cuts. That is the kiss of death to the republican money crowd. To them, this is the equivalent of saying he arranged for hillary clinton to be president for life. Oh, I’m going to love this one…

and it proves NO ONE has a line on this story. As I reported earlier, rums from “knowledgeable insiders” was the piece three was on energy and four on pre-war intel. Wrong-O Mary Lou!

Okay, i’ve got: rational scissors, MSM decoder box, Fox News Decoder Ring (from Wingnut Crunches with Chinese Melamine Sugar), brain bleach, yep I’m ready. Off to the heart of Darthest Cheneyfrica!

(Cue Hatari Theme….)

what, no bears?

TeddySanFran @ 2

what, no bears?

Not the four-legged kind, Teddy, no.

The French word for meow is miaou.

-GSD

TRex… purrfect :)

I think one of the best things about YouTube is listening to how people all around the world talk to their animals.

Suzanne @ 5

TRex… purrfect :)

So far I found one quote to move, Suzanne. It’s secretly hiding the zed on this thread. Are there more older posts I should move (now that I know how to do it..tres clever, thees suzanne..)?

Did someone let downstairs know?

Did anybody bother to tell the kids downstairs that we’re up here?

“This Time Tomorrow”

I think the cameraman in this video is speaking Quebecois French

I would concur. ain’t Frenchy French..

Cute video TRex!

AK, the point of moving comments is only to move those that are absolutely necessary (such as an EPU). Of course, another solution is to link to the comments by right clicking on the old comment number and making that the link in current comment referencing a previous comment.

Also, remember that that should also only be done if germaine to the topic or discussion on the current thread. For example, moving an off topic commment from an old thread into a Book Salon thread would be considered rude.

ooooh la la! french kitties?

I miss my siamese!

TRex @ 6

I think one of the best things about YouTube is listening to how people all around the world talk to their animals.

Most of my conversations this summer are with my cats. It is actually a relief after the school year.

Suzanne @ 13

AK, the point of moving comments is only to move those that are absolutely necessary (such as an EPU). Of course, another solution is to link to the comments by right clicking on the old comment number and making that the link in current comment referencing a previous comment.

Also, remember that that should also only be done if germaine to the topic or discussion on the current thread. For example, moving an off topic commment from an old thread into a Book Salon thread would be considered rude.

Got it. I think I’m caught up then. I will lurk for a few minutes and then return to Darthville.

TexB @ 12

Cute video TRex!

I have to admit that there’s just something sexy about a guy who loves his pets. I could listen to the audio from this clip all day.

bon soir, chien du feu!

a demain…

do-si-do @ 18

bon soir, chien du feu!

a demain…

Bon soir! Good night!

oh yup. That’s Quebecois french. Three times as nasal as Francian french. Ugh, i grew up hearing that on occaision. Bleagh.

Ak,

I got the package!

Speaking about cuddly but otherwise insubstantial pets, Fred Thompson has been endorsed… by his 24-year-younger ex-girlfriend (now wife, I think)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..2vFYAE1vAI

I’ve heard Quebecois sounds like French with a Brooklyn accent. Oddly enough, it was a Quebecois who told me this, though I also heard it from a Louisianan of Acadian beackground, who said the same thing about New Orleans French, then explained that Quebcois and Acadian have the same roots.

SteveAudio @ 10

“This Time Tomorrow”

Heh.

Steve, nobody here knows what that means.

Blub @ 21

Speaking about cuddly but otherwise insubstantial pets, Fred Thompson has been endorsed… by his 24-year-younger ex-girlfriend (now wife, I think)

My only problem is telling which one is the pet. ;~)

aliasofwestgate @ 20

oh yup. That’s Quebecois french. Three times as nasal as Francian french. Ugh, i grew up hearing that on occaision. Bleagh.

Ak,

I got the package!

Enjoy with my blessings. And check out the dub mp3 files, there’s some serious music there until we can afford the soundtrack. The only favor I ask in return, is can you find a translation of the lyrics to “zero signal” for me. I have them phonetically transcribed and I’m pretty sure they’re Russian, but BabelFish just spits them back at me and pouts. TIA.

TRex @ 23

SteveAudio @ 10

“This Time Tomorrow”

Heh.

Steve, nobody here knows what that means.

I figured it was some sort music code. Gonna share?

I figured it was some sort music code. Gonna share?

It’s my country song from the CD of my old music I sent to Steve. A very sad, sort of candlelit song.

He is Quebecois, and he is speaking Quebec-derived French .. but in the same playful way that you would say meeeoww, to your cats .. and to him you saying that in your accent would probably sound to him like your cats’ meow.

You yanks …

DrDick @ 24

My only problem is telling which one is the pet. ;~)

Oh, Fred. No question in my mind about that.

Enjoy with my blessings. And check out the dub mp3 files, there’s some serious music there until we can afford the soundtrack. The only favor I ask in return, is can you find a translation of the lyrics to “zero signal” for me. I have them phonetically transcribed and I’m pretty sure they’re Russian, but BabelFish just spits them back at me and pouts. TIA.

I’ll see what i can do. If they used Origa for that song? They’re most likely russian. Since Origa happily got exposure for season 1 and 2 of Stand Alone Complex. I’m sure she came back for a third round, cause she’s damned good. I’ll see if can’t find something.

Thank you, dear therapod. Any chance of hearing some of your old music one night soon?

Alfred Kelgarries @ 1

Alfred Kelgarries @ 135

AK on Part 3: It says flatly that Dick Cheney made the President throw out the stock dividends tax cuts. That is the kiss of death to the republican money crowd. To them, this is the equivalent of saying he arranged for hillary clinton to be president for life. Oh, I’m going to love this one…

and it proves NO ONE has a line on this story. As I reported earlier, rums from “knowledgeable insiders” was the piece three was on energy and four on pre-war intel. Wrong-O Mary Lou!

Okay, i’ve got: rational scissors, MSM decoder box, Fox News Decoder Ring (from Wingnut Crunches with Chinese Melamine Sugar), brain bleach, yep I’m ready. Off to the heart of Darthest Cheneyfrica!

(Cue Hatari Theme….)

A new record! A zed with substance!
But wait! What kind of shiteous fuckery is this??? AK is hacking the thread!

Bob in HI

My only problem is telling which one is the pet. ;~)

I think it’s the left one. The right one is more of a corporate sponsor.

The other bands on the bill for the Psych Furs show at Pacific Amphitheater have been announced.

The Fixx and The Alarm. It’s KROQ Flashback Night!

aliasofwestgate @ 30

Enjoy with my blessings. And check out the dub mp3 files, there’s some serious music there until we can afford the soundtrack. The only favor I ask in return, is can you find a translation of the lyrics to “zero signal” for me. I have them phonetically transcribed and I’m pretty sure they’re Russian, but BabelFish just spits them back at me and pouts. TIA.

I’ll see what i can do. If they used Origa for that song? They’re most likely russian. Since Origa happily got exposure for season 1 and 2 of Stand Alone Complex. I’m sure she came back for a third round, cause she’s damned good. I’ll see if can’t find something.

Many thanks!

JGabriel @ 22

I’ve heard Quebecois sounds like French with a Brooklyn accent. Oddly enough, it was a Quebecois who told me this, though I also heard it from a Louisianan of Acadian beackground, who said the same thing about New Orleans French, then explained that Quebcois and Acadian have the same roots.

They both derived from the early French settlers in the Gaspe peninsular area, which includes Northern Maine, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland! The Acadians were driven out by the colonizing Brits, and Anglos sympathetic to the Crown during the Revolution!!!

JGabriel @ 22

I’ve heard Quebecois sounds like French with a Brooklyn accent. Oddly enough, it was a Quebecois who told me this, though I also heard it from a Louisianan of Acadian beackground, who said the same thing about New Orleans French, then explained that Quebcois and Acadian have the same roots.

Cajun….Acadian…ayuh.

-GSD

Bob Schacht @ 32

Alfred Kelgarries @ 1

A new record! A zed with substance!

Bob in HI

That’s actually EPU’d from two threads back, because Suzanne suggested it (with good reason). She then very kindly warned me not to go wild with the EPU-ing or she’s use that switch she has hidden behind the diving board. I’m being a good little spook right now, let me tell you. :>

TRex @ 33

My only problem is telling which one is the pet. ;~)

I think it’s the left one. The right one is more of a corporate sponsor.

636.3 (i.e., 90 percent of 707).

I work with many French-speaking Africans. Whole different French accent, but beautiful.

CTuttle @ 36

JGabriel @ 22

I’ve heard Quebecois sounds like French with a Brooklyn accent. Oddly enough, it was a Quebecois who told me this, though I also heard it from a Louisianan of Acadian beackground, who said the same thing about New Orleans French, then explained that Quebcois and Acadian have the same roots.

They both derived from the early French settlers in the Gaspe peninsular area, which includes Northern Maine, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland! The Acadians were driven out by the colonizing Brits, and Anglos sympathetic to the Crown during the Revolution!!!

Actually they were expelled in 1755 as a consequence of the French and Indian War (Seven Years War in Europe) in which the British seized control of what was until then French Canada.

Williamson animal shelter faces claims of poor care

GEORGETOWN, TX — Animal shelter volunteers have raised concerns about dead animals and inadequate care at the new Williamson County Regional Animal Shelter, which has faced overpopulation and limited staffing since it opened in March.

TexB @ 40

I work with many French-speaking Africans. Whole different French accent, but beautiful.

Yeah. The first place I lived in Chicago, there were a lot of Haitians in the neighborhood and you could hear them speaking Creole. Very different from Parisian French.

Acadian rhyhms:

Daniel Lanois – The Maker

“I’m a stranger
in the eyes
of the maker”

TRex, you are absolutely right!!! Those kitties are speaking to their human in his “language”.

How lovely!!

I know that my kitties mimic my sounds, cadence, perhaps even my phrasing. Delightful.

Thanks!!

Israel opinion piece lays into Chimpy. Says he has done more to damage Israel than anyone.

With friends like Dick Cheney’s piss-boy, who needs enemies.

-GSD

DrDick @ 41

CTuttle @ 36

They both derived from the early French settlers in the Gaspe peninsular area, which includes Northern Maine, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland! The Acadians were driven out by the colonizing Brits, and Anglos sympathetic to the Crown during the Revolution!!!

Actually they were expelled in 1755 as a consequence of the French and Indian War (Seven Years War in Europe) in which the British seized control of what was until then French Canada.

That was the start of their exodus, as I noted the Brits started it and later on the Anglophiles fleeing north from the Revolution completed the expulsion! Whomever didn’t head further into Quebec, headed way south to Louisiana!

“The American president does not want peace between Israel and Syria.” Israeli intelligence officials are already warning that the opposite of peace is imminent war between Israel and Syria.

This is becoming a common theme.

-GSD

DrDick @ 41

CTuttle @ 36

They both derived from the early French settlers in the Gaspe peninsular area, which includes Northern Maine, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and Newfoundland! The Acadians were driven out by the colonizing Brits, and Anglos sympathetic to the Crown during the Revolution!!!

Actually they were expelled in 1755 as a consequence of the French and Indian War (Seven Years War in Europe) in which the British seized control of what was until then French Canada.

They signed a treaty and our homes were taken,
Loved ones forsaken, they didn’t give a damn,
Try to raise a family, end up the enemy,
Over what went down on the Plains of Abraham,

JGabriel @ 22

I’ve heard Quebecois sounds like French with a Brooklyn accent. Oddly enough, it was a Quebecois who told me this, though I also heard it from a Louisianan of Acadian beackground, who said the same thing about New Orleans French, then explained that Quebcois and Acadian have the same roots.

That is so.

OT: Cheney sees to be Bush’s Cardinal Riechlieu, Europe’s first prime minister: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Richelieu

GSD @ 46

Israel opinion piece lays into Chimpy. Says he has done more to damage Israel than anyone.

With friends like Dick Cheney’s piss-boy, who needs enemies.

-GSD

Wow !! Just sent the article off to a bunch of people.

wigwam @ 51

OT: Cheney sees to be Bush’s Cardinal Riechlieu, Europe’s first prime minister

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Rasputin.

Well, I think I will call it a night. Take care and enjoy the snark.

Sleep well Dr D.

DrDick @ 53

wigwam @ 51

OT: Cheney sees to be Bush’s Cardinal Riechlieu, Europe’s first prime minister

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Rasputin.

Pol Pot. Dayam the third piece is vicious. And I thought last night’s was bad….(scurries back below decks of the HSS Spook-Blog…)

Mieux.

And if I say it again: Mimieux.

sleep well, dr (pause) dick

Suzanne @ 58

sleep well, dr (pause) dick

heh

Suzanne @ 58

sleep well, dr (pause) dick

Me too. Oh, and Cheney wrecked the space program. details to follow…

George W. Bush, the Dick Cheney sock puppet president.

-GSD

In reference to a comment from previous thread…I think that the nomination of Harriet Meyers was very clever. Think about this, if you wanted to avoid repacing Justice O’Conner with another woman how do you minimize the flack. Remeber it was the right that “forced” the withdrawal of the nomination. I think it was planned that way from the very beginning.

Sally Quinn advocating dumping Cheney in favor of Da Da- Freddie Thompson- who could then become president- cause no one wants any of the OTHER snakes.

Linfalas @ 62

In reference to a comment from previous thread…I think that the nomination of Harriet Meyers was very clever. Think about this, if you wanted to avoid repacing Justice O’Conner with another woman how do you minimize the flack. Remeber it was the right that “forced” the withdrawal of the nomination. I think it was planned that way from the very beginning.

I had the same thought at the time.

Patrick 4/4 @ 57

Mieux.

And if I say it again: Mimieux.

Miou Miou

Alfred Kelgarries @ 56

DrDick @ 53

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Rasputin.

Pol Pot. Dayam the third piece is vicious. And I thought last night’s was bad….(scurries back below decks of the HSS Spook-Blog…)

The Kuwati Gov’t is reading FDL too. ;-)

TDS starting on the West Coast in T-2. First five minutes are don’t miss from what I hear from the East Coasters.

punaise @ 65

Patrick 4/4 @ 57

Mieux.

And if I say it again: Mimieux.

Miou Miou

Oui! oui!

My late french wife would sometimes call Canada- and she would be connected with a french canadian speaking operator. After a few minutes of frustration, she would scream- “get me someone who speaks english- I can’t understand a word you are saying”

Canadian french is apparently more closely related to 16th century french than to the french spoken today- in France.

It is a common experience that in the “provinces” the language gets frozen in time- wheras back home it evolves.

rwcole @ 63

Sally Quinn advocating dumping Cheney in favor of Da Da- Freddie Thompson- who could then become president- cause no one wants any of the OTHER snakes.

Richard Cohen is pimping his theory that the Republicans will win in ‘08 just like Nixon did in ‘72.

George sWill is also looking back nostalgically at George Wallace’s run for Prez.

-GSD

GSD

Yeah- Cohen is a huge critic of the Iraq war- who supports the Iraq war.

I actually enjoy reading Will. He’s at least interesting- and honest in an odd way.

rwcole @ 69

My late french wife would sometimes call Canada- and she would be connected with a french canadian speaking operator. After a few minutes of frustration, she would scream- “get me someone who speaks english- I can’t understand a word you are saying”

Canadian french is apparently more closely related to 16th century french than to the french spoken today- in France.

It is a common experience that in the “provinces” the language gets frozen in time- wheras back home it evolves.

There’s a similar suggestion that Southern English is closest to the way the English people of Shakespeare’s time spoke. Not counting Larry the Cable Guy.

Breaking–
Sen. Dick Lugar (R) says Bush’s “Surge” isn’t working, and we shouldn’t wait until September to change course. CNN is treating this as BIG.
The wheels are coming off Bush’s War Machine.

Bob in HI

My brother’s sister-in-law is married to a Quebecois. They moved to Canada and she likes it and he can’t stand the Quebeccers now.

Some funny Canadian French to English conversion quotes.

“I want two pieces of bacon parallel and two eggs side by each.”

“My horse was hungry so I threw him over the fence, some hay.”

“Throw me down the stairs, my shoes.”

-GSD

Americablog has front paged the transcript of Lugar’s speech.

The middle Finger!!!

rwcole @ 72

I actually enjoy reading Will. He’s at least interesting- and honest in an odd way.

I used to enjoy reading Will. I stopped reading him years ago, as he seems to have become an unimaginative sourpuss, with little of the wit that used to make him interesting.

Bob in HI

Bob Schacht @ 74

Breaking–
Sen. Dick Lugar (R) says Bush’s “Surge” isn’t working, and we shouldn’t wait until September to change course. CNN is treating this as BIG.
The wheels are coming off Bush’s War Machine.

Bob in HI

That is because Richard Lugar is “serious and sober”.

-GSD

“wheels coming off”
I don’t know. I’ll believe it when I see it. I suspect, though, that before the end of the year there will be a draw down announcement- to take the political pressure off the goopers.

Suzanne @ 76

Americablog has front paged the transcript of Lugar’s speech.

Suz, are you watching TDS?

sure am CT, he shall be known by his cry whaa whaa whaa had me spewing :)

TeddySanFran @ 2

what, no bears?

Well that’s what I said yesterday…

The expectation in bubblesville is for a dramatic bear bottom tomorrow (even with a opening gap up and a tease me rally). Tuesday should reverse all that and add some icing.

Well we got the gap up and the tease-me rally as forecasted. Even some drama at the end. Is this the bear’s bottom? Will tomorrow see the first white soldier of the summer rally? Will BusChen wake up and smell the Kung-Pao tech takeover at the teller window?

Or is the president so distracted that he is missing the 800 pound dragon in the room. Oh that’s just great — blow it all in the middle east so that there is nothing left to do but capitulate to the sustainable long term advantage held by our debt masters in EastAsia.

Hey — its right out of a Jackie Chan movie! ( It’s not the buying that hurts…it’s the selling… when it doesn’t stop…) So when the cheerleaders shill for the buying spree to continue, think of the flip side when September sell-off continues into October and November. That Christmas special from Ford’s Theater? Will Bush still be president?

Suzanne @ 67

TDS starting on the West Coast in T-2. First five minutes are don’t miss from what I hear from the East Coasters.

thanks for the tip-off. that was top rate.

By all accounts, the Bush Car has more wheels than a full track full of Nascars.

-GSD

P.S.

“It is an extremely alarming development and raises the stakes considerably. In effect, it means we are in a full on war with Iran — but nobody has officially declared it.

I smell the ante being upped.

Suzanne @ 82

sure am CT, he shall be known by his cry whaa whaa whaa had me spewing :)

The picture had me spewing!!!

GSD @ 79

Bob Schacht @ 74

Breaking–
Sen. Dick Lugar (R) says Bush’s “Surge” isn’t working, and we shouldn’t wait until September to change course. CNN is treating this as BIG.
The wheels are coming off Bush’s War Machine.

Bob in HI

That is because Richard Lugar is “serious and sober”.

-GSD

All the rats will jump the ship.

I suspect that the goopers will all come around to a “change in mission” for the troops in Iraq. We stop fighting in the civil war- continue to train the Iraqis to kill each other- and guard the borders so that the Turks and Iranians don’t come in and kill everybody.

We still get the oil and the bases- and we took out a threat to Israel- but our guys don’t get blown up as often.

Sound about right?

Iraqis should be killed by Iraqis. They’re a democracy now.

Didja catch that Doors clip of “This is the end” playing in the background?

I still say that events in the Middle East spin beyond control sometime this summer.

-GSD

rwcole @ 89

Iraqis should be killed by Iraqis. They’re a democracy now.

Snark but true.

Forgive me if I don’t wrench my arm out of the socket in my rush to pat Dick Luger on the back. For fuck’s sake. This has to be the slowest Clue Train to ever pull in to DC.

Oh, gosh, this war that’s been a disaster from the start is four years old and we’re still not getting anywhere. Well, GAW-lee, Maw, maybe it warn’t sitch a good idear! Tuh-hilk!

Bitches.

TexB,

We know Lugar is a cheese nibbler, but the cocktail weenie set still see him as a seriosu and sober statesman making the poltically painful decisions of war and peace.

-GSD

Suzanne @ 90

Didja catch that Doors clip of “This is the end” playing in the background?

Batiste, looked good, but the ‘true hero’s’ expression was priceless!!!

Time to try for sleep. Nice spending the evening with y’all.

pain free sleep wishes, tex

TexB @ 96

Time to try for sleep. Nice spending the evening with y’all.

Nite, Ma’am!!!

Glad to see that Purple-Heart-giver got the mockery he richly deserved. Pop needs his meds adjusted.

TexB @ 96

Time to try for sleep. Nice spending the evening with y’all.

nite betsy

night all. thanks for the good wishes.

That’s my cue, too. Good night, everybody.

See you tomorrow night.

g’nite TRex, sleep well

TexB @ 101

night all. thanks for the good wishes.

nite betsy

Nightall.

-GSD

g’nite GSD

TRex @ 102

That’s my cue, too. Good night, everybody.

See you tomorrow night.

Nite, TRex!!!

Patrick 4/4 @ 73,

There’s a similar suggestion that Southern English is closest to the way the English people of Shakespeare’s time spoke. Not counting Larry the Cable Guy

.

That’s true in my area of SE Ohio.
“Hand me the glass” means, hand her the mirror. “Help, I’m fast.” Um, you’re in bed…Oh, I get it, an IV thingie was stuck in the bedrails. Etc. I love hearing it. The more out in the country people are from, the more expressions that sound archaic I heard.

Margot @ 108

Patrick 4/4 @ 73,

There’s a similar suggestion that Southern English is closest to the way the English people of Shakespeare’s time spoke. Not counting Larry the Cable Guy

.

That’s true in my area of SE Ohio.
“Hand me the glass” means, hand her the mirror. “Help, I’m fast.” Um, you’re in bed…Oh, I get it, an IV thingie was stuck in the bedrails. Etc. I love hearing it. The more out in the country people are from, the more expressions that sound archaic I heard.

I’ve heard that said about Appalachian English, which has remained fairly unchanged for several generations.
(actually, I was replying to 108)

For those still up and interested, I have finished the second heading of the Wapoo Cheney Angler article. linky.

For those not wanted to go through the tedious details, this section implies very strongly that:

a) Cheney broke the law many time.
b) Cheney is responsible for the US using Russian equipment in the ISS that often doesn’t work.
c) Cheney is responsible for possibly getting Democrat William Jefferson acquitted.

They clearly set up the three remaining section of the article, along with this one, in the oversized first topic. Also, the level of skill at loaded adjectives and Guilt By Association is still as good as I’ve ever seen in an MSM piece.

Taking a break…still three sections to go…

SteveAudio @ 109

Margot @ 108

Patrick 4/4 @ 73,.

That’s true in my area of SE Ohio.
“Hand me the glass” means, hand her the mirror. “Help, I’m fast.” Um, you’re in bed…Oh, I get it, an IV thingie was stuck in the bedrails. Etc. I love hearing it. The more out in the country people are from, the more expressions that sound archaic I heard.

I’ve heard that said about Appalachian English, which has remained fairly unchanged for several generations.
(actually, I was replying to 108)

Yes, I should have been more specifc – Appalachian, which is both South and not-South, is what I was thinking of.

Southern English is not confined geographically either. When I was growing up in the outskirts of Chicago, we use to think that if you went 100 miles south, you were in the South.

Now, you just have a nasty commute downtown.

corn on the cob, in Quebec, (or so I’ve heard) is epluchettes de ble dinde, which translates in Frenchy French as something like “little peelings of turkey wheat”. no direct equivalent in France, because they don’t eat corn on the cob. hardly eat corn at for that matter.

I’ve heard that said about Appalachian English, which has remained fairly unchanged for several generations.

Back in the holla country. My mother is from Kentucky and Appalachian English is a very difficult to understand dialect with the different nouns and the da-rawl.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 110

For those still up and interested, I have finished the second heading of the Wapoo Cheney Angler article. linky.

For those not wanted to go through the tedious details, this section implies very strongly that:

a) Cheney broke the law many time.
b) Cheney is responsible for the US using Russian equipment in the ISS that often doesn’t work.
c) Cheney is responsible for possibly getting Democrat William Jefferson acquitted.

They clearly set up the three remaining section of the article, along with this one, in the oversized first topic. Also, the level of skill at loaded adjectives and Guilt By Association is still as good as I’ve ever seen in an MSM piece.

Taking a break…still three sections to go…

Not the synopsis I would have made – but I like it.

Patrick 4/4 @ 114

Alfred Kelgarries @ 110

For those still up and interested, I have finished the second heading of the Wapoo Cheney Angler article. linky.

For those not wanted to go through the tedious details, this section implies very strongly that:

a) Cheney broke the law many time.
b) Cheney is responsible for the US using Russian equipment in the ISS that often doesn’t work.
c) Cheney is responsible for possibly getting Democrat William Jefferson acquitted.

They clearly set up the three remaining section of the article, along with this one, in the oversized first topic. Also, the level of skill at loaded adjectives and Guilt By Association is still as good as I’ve ever seen in an MSM piece.

Taking a break…still three sections to go…

Not the synopsis I would have made – but I like it.

I’m curious as to why not. As I haven’t found my war-surplus omniscience, I do make mistrakes…

Suzanne @ 113

I’ve heard that said about Appalachian English, which has remained fairly unchanged for several generations.

Back in the holla country. My mother is from Kentucky and Appalachian English is a very difficult to understand dialect with the different nouns and the da-rawl.

One of the islands that got bypassed in the late stages of The Great Vowel Shift.

There’s another one going on now, having to do with the great northern cities.

The Brits are having one of their one – all the news presenters seem to be abandoning Received Pronunciation to sound like more-or-less educated versions of Ali G.

Suzanne @ 113

I’ve heard that said about Appalachian English, which has remained fairly unchanged for several generations.

Back in the holla country. My mother is from Kentucky and Appalachian English is a very difficult to understand dialect with the different nouns and the da-rawl.

On an ancillary note, I remember getting to Germany for my obligatory hippie backpack & hitch hike with a guitar trip around Europe.

Me with darned good High School German, and finding that, especially in Bavaria, when the locals talked with each other, I could barely understand them.

Was ist damit los!

Alfred Kelgarries @ 115

Patrick 4/4 @ 114

Not the synopsis I would have made – but I like it.

I’m curious as to why not. As I haven’t found my war-surplus omniscience, I do make mistrakes…

No mistakes: just um – nuanced – and going to an end-point that I agree with but one that leaves out the intermediary steps.

Not that that’s a bad thing.

Patrick 4/4 @ 118

Alfred Kelgarries @ 115

I’m curious as to why not. As I haven’t found my war-surplus omniscience, I do make mistrakes…

No mistakes: just um – nuanced – and going to an end-point that I agree with but one that leaves out the intermediary steps.

Not that that’s a bad thing.

Whew! :)

I will say it is lot harder than it seemed in my days of doing this stuff for the guvment. It is probably the fact that I’m older now (by about 20 years…)

rwcole: “Canadian french is apparently more closely related to 16th century french than to the french spoken today- in France.”

Yes. ‘Canadian’ French broke off into a different dialect when the Acadians came to Newfoundland. ‘Acadian’ is probably a better name for it, since it includes the French spoken in Louisiana as well as in Canada.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 119

Patrick 4/4 @ 118

No mistakes: just um – nuanced – and going to an end-point that I agree with but one that leaves out the intermediary steps.

Not that that’s a bad thing.

Whew! :)

I will say it is lot harder than it seemed in my days of doing this stuff for the guvment. It is probably the fact that I’m older now (by about 20 years…)

The series seems to me to go out of its way to not draw the (probably correct) conclusions you draw. This is classic insider stuff. You have to know the background, which you and lots of us here do. It looks objective and non-judgmental on the outside, but this is some seriously fucked up governing.

BTW, GSD on last thread mentioned that my analysis of Jeffords as Cheney’s sock puppet were wrong. I intended to suggest rather that Cheney maneauvered Jeffords to jump parties, and then dumped him to avoid budget busted on NCLB. The sock puppet part was the duping to do the party shift, not any indications of control afterwards.

But I’m pleased that I’m already generating counter opinions. That is the true soul of blogging, feedback both positive and negative.

GSD @ 70

Richard Cohen is pimping his theory that the Republicans will win in ‘08 just like Nixon did in ‘72.

That’s an interesting precedent to select. Does he think we’ll have the impeachment within two years, too?

Patrick 4/4 @ 121

Alfred Kelgarries @ 119

Whew! :)

I will say it is lot harder than it seemed in my days of doing this stuff for the guvment. It is probably the fact that I’m older now (by about 20 years…)

The series seems to me to go out of its way to not draw the (probably correct) conclusions you draw. This is classic insider stuff. You have to know the background, which you and lots of us here do. It looks objective and non-judgmental on the outside, but this is some seriously fucked up governing.

I personally am coming to the conclusion that it is a warning shot across Cheney’s bow (metaphorically speaking) to NOT start a war with Iran against Bush’s wishes. There really isn’t any other reason for this.

And you’re absolutely right. You have to know the manipulation techniques as well as the inside-the-beltway political issues to fully understand the series. On the surface it can be defended as simply an accurate article about the VP. Which is why I don’t buy the “Replace Cheney” article mentioned earlier. Instead, I suggest diffidently that the “RC” article was the coded message to Cheney and this four-parter is a simple taste of what could be done to him if need arose.

We will see…

TRex @ 93

Forgive me if I don’t wrench my arm out of the socket in my rush to pat Dick Luger on the back. For fuck’s sake. This has to be the slowest Clue Train to ever pull in to DC.

Only until the next Clue Train comes in. It leaves on a daily schedule, but only gets a passenger about once a month.

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

Alfred (@115) :

has Jefferson been acquitted? it seems to me that he’s just been recently charged …..

Suzanne @ 126

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

from your keyboard to God’s ears ……..

Suzanne @ 126

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

But which one? Cheney or Bush? Surely not both at once…

fahrender @ 127

Alfred (@115) :

has Jefferson been acquitted? it seems to me that he’s just been recently charged …..

No he’s still indicted, but it is an open secret in the law enforcement circles I frequent professionally at the moment that the loss of half the file hamstrung the prosecution, and in any case the courts will likely rule that evidence tainted due to constitutional issues and thus throw out the case.

This piece effectively says that if and when that happens, Cheney is to blame.

Suzanne @ 113

I’ve heard that said about Appalachian English, which has remained fairly unchanged for several generations.

Back in the holla country. My mother is from Kentucky and Appalachian English is a very difficult to understand dialect with the different nouns and the da-rawl.

Is Appalachain English still spoken? I was under the impression that it started dying out over the last 15-25 years, due to the ubiquity of television.

I suppose it’ll take a couple of generations to completely go under.

My thoughts are the WaaPoo is laying the foundation for cheeney’s impeachment. At this point, I believe the thought is dick first.

Suzanne @ 132

My thoughts are the WaaPoo is laying the foundation for cheeney’s impeachment. At this point, I believe the thought is dick first.

Who do you see replacing him? Thompson? Condi? Jeb? LIEberman (please please ghod let it be LIEberman…)?

I hope they lay a proper foundation for preventing boosh from pardoning cheeney.

The who to replace cheeney is already being batted around according to that quinn piece in the waapoo. whomever is choosen is going to have a rough confirmation hearing regardless.

Suzanne @ 134

I hope they lay a proper foundation for preventing boosh from pardoning cheeney.

Yeah. But if he’s ordered this Wapoo hit job, would Bush even pardon him?

AK, I’m not convinced the waapoo piece was ordered by boosh. someone approved it but the who(s) are still up in the air in my book.

Suzanne @ 135

The who to replace cheeney is already being batted around according to that quinn piece in the waapoo. whomever is choosen is going to have a rough confirmation hearing regardless.

And maybe no one gets confirmed. What happens then if Bush is also impeached?

BTW, I don’t think Bush will let Cheney be impeached. He’ll find a way to shoehorn him out involving medical issues or something.

My real fear is still the Iran thing. The only reason beyond pure politics (bush wants cheney out because the entire republican field is so lousy) is to prevent Cheney from starting that war.

And did you notice in today’s news that Bush is suddenly reported as determined to strike a deal with congress on getting the troops out. Maybe the final passage of the Oil Law in Iraq that allows PSA’s with the Big Five is the trigger; once he has that he bails and takes the troops with him. That would make Sen. Lugar’s “conversion” actually part of Bush’s plan…

….gaaaah! My head hurts…

JGabriel @ 123

GSD @ 70

Richard Cohen is pimping his theory that the Republicans will win in ‘08 just like Nixon did in ‘72.

That’s an interesting precedent to select. Does he think we’ll have the impeachment within two years, too?

Cohen gives pimping a bad name ……

and he’s making a pretzel logic comparison. Humphrey had the Vietnam war hung around his neck. the ‘Pubs can’t walk away from Iraq no matter how hard they try.

Suzanne @ 137

AK, I’m not convinced the waapoo piece was ordered by boosh. someone approved it but the who(s) are still up in the air in my book.

I’ve heard it was Brent Scowcroft, on orders from Bush I and James Baker III. With help from Powell and Condi. Bush wouldn’t fight that kind of muscle, he’d knuckle under fast. Hmmm…

What happens if #1 and #2 are removed from office would be #3 (Pelosi) would be President. Which is why boosh’s team is tossing out possible cheeney replacement names now. Think Agnew, Nixon, Ford during Watergate. That is the best possible outcome is that boosh will get to name cheney’s suggessor in order to prevent a President Pelosi if they are both impeached.

It serves boosh better to dump cheeney now to try to head off that at the pass.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 140

Suzanne @ 137

AK, I’m not convinced the waapoo piece was ordered by boosh. someone approved it but the who(s) are still up in the air in my book.

I’ve heard it was Brent Scowcroft, on orders from Bush I and James Baker III. With help from Powell and Condi. Bush wouldn’t fight that kind of muscle, he’d knuckle under fast. Hmmm…

Sorry to disagree, but Bush43 would indeed resist that muscle. Hamilton/Baker, anyone?

He thinks Baker’s help in 2000 was his just rewards, and anything less than full and complete capitulation is treason. He’ll tell them all to fuck off and die.

Yeah, that secession timeline makes sense. They ABSOLUTELY don’t want a Dem in the White House until they have destroyed all the records and gotten the most valuable people to non-extradition countries.

The question is, do they also want to annoint a successor to Boosh, bypassing the primary mechanism, like say Condi? He wouldn’t endorse her openly, his JAR figures are way too low. But word could be gotten out to loyalists somehow.

SteveAudio @ 142

Alfred Kelgarries @ 140

I’ve heard it was Brent Scowcroft, on orders from Bush I and James Baker III. With help from Powell and Condi. Bush wouldn’t fight that kind of muscle, he’d knuckle under fast. Hmmm…

Sorry to disagree, but Bush43 would indeed resist that muscle. Hamilton/Baker, anyone?

He thinks Baker’s help in 2000 was his just rewards, and anything less than full and complete capitulation is treason. He’ll tell them all to fuck off and die.

That would be my initial take on this. But Suzanne raises a vaild point, namely that we really can’t yet fathom even the intended result of the wapoo series, and only after we can reasonably do that can we take a stab at who set it up…

Suzanne @ 126

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

Oh, be still my heart! :-)
I do hope you’re right!!!

Bob in HI

Bob Schacht @ 145

Suzanne @ 126

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

Oh, be still my heart! :-)
I do hope you’re right!!!

Bob in HI

Bob, at the risk of being self-centered, have you any constructive comments on my blog so far? This is all still very new to me. I keep trying to find the PIP link on the web page….

Suzanne @ 126

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

That would be a great birthday present for me. *grins*

aliasofwestgate @ 147

Suzanne @ 126

I personally thinking impeachment starts in earnest this August. Nixon resigned in August.

That would be a great birthday present for me. *grins*

Alias! Shouldn’t you be sleeping? (grandpa mode kicks in…sorry…:>)

Another thought is that boosh didn’t directly order this piece but certainly approved it. I think it is most definitely connected to the current interagency war going on between condi and the dick over iran, et al. Perhaps the thought is that airing the dick’s forkups will take the heat off the boosh. i also do not think that the boosh reached out to pappy for help but those in his camp are in contact with pappy without the boosh directly knowing about it. pappy has cia contacts that are sure to be looking for a way to pay back cheeney.

boosh is looking for a bailout from his current troubles – just as he has escaped responsibility his entire life. it is all the big bad dick’s fault.

nice try and it does get rid of the dick but it aint gonna be enough.

No work tommorrow, AK.

So i can stay up :P I even get friday off again, but work the entire weekend in exchange. I should check Selise’s earlier posts to see what the hearing schedule is for tommorrow.

Wow. Greenwald’s book has made it up to #26 on amazon now…

Alfred Kelgarries @ 138

Suzanne @ 135

The who to replace cheeney is already being batted around according to that quinn piece in the waapoo. whomever is choosen is going to have a rough confirmation hearing regardless.

And maybe no one gets confirmed. What happens then if Bush is also impeached?

BTW, I don’t think Bush will let Cheney be impeached. He’ll find a way to shoehorn him out involving medical issues or something….

Do you remember during Iran-Contra that Bill Casey, Reagan’s confidant and CIA Director, conveniently expired just before he was to appear for questioning at an important hearing before a Senate(?) committee that was exploring Iran-Contra intelligence operations?

How much you wanna bet that Cheney will die before his term expires? He’s already had what, 4 heart attacks? Of course, if he’s *already* a zombie, that point would be moot.

Bob in HI

i don’t think Bush the Wee ordered this Wapo thing. it’s just too nuanced an approach for him. Scowcroft could well be involved through the Resident DC Oligarchy. Brent is very outspoken about Cheney having gone ’round the bend (”…I don’t know Dick Cheney any more.”)
Baker maybe not so outspoken but the big report he headed up last fall was about as clear a political move anyone could make and Cheney probably liked it even less than Bush the Wee. The WaPo thing is really the second or third shot across the bow (Larry Wilkerson shouldn’t be forgotten).
I’m very much for impeachment of Cheney and then Bush. i think it is very important for America. i’m not at all optimistic that it will happen. too many connected people keep saying that it won’t. it’s obviously much more possible that it could happen to Cheney than Bush the Wee but if it starts looking like that it actually might happen i think the medical thing will be pulled out and Cheney will resign.
meanwhile, let’s keep digging and keep biting their ankles!

who benefits from the waapoo piece is part of determining the motive for the piece.

is it payback? is it to protect boosh? is it to protect the gop? why was cheeney targeted?

determine the motive and the list of players is greatly reduced.

Suzanne @ 154

who benefits from the waapoo piece is part of determining the motive for the piece.

is it payback? is it to protect boosh? is it to protect the gop? why was cheeney targeted?

determine the motive and the list of players is greatly reduced.

yep, that’s where I’m at. And one more article to come…

Bob Schacht @ 152

Alfred Kelgarries @ 138

And maybe no one gets confirmed. What happens then if Bush is also impeached?

BTW, I don’t think Bush will let Cheney be impeached. He’ll find a way to shoehorn him out involving medical issues or something….

Do you remember during Iran-Contra that Bill Casey, Reagan’s confidant and CIA Director, conveniently expired just before he was to appear for questioning at an important hearing before a Senate(?) committee that was exploring Iran-Contra intelligence operations?

How much you wanna bet that Cheney will die before his term expires? He’s already had what, 4 heart attacks? Of course, if he’s *already* a zombie, that point would be moot.

Bob in HI

My favorite was Ken Lay. His “natural” death prevented ANY of the awards given to those defrauded in Enron from getting a penny. Tell me someone didn’t figure that out ahead of time, go on. I wanna watch. That is one of the few deaths of major american figures (other than presidents) that I think may have been non-accidental

Alfred Kelgarries @ 146

Bob Schacht @ 145

Oh, be still my heart! :-)
I do hope you’re right!!!

Bob in HI

Bob, at the risk of being self-centered, have you any constructive comments on my blog so far? This is all still very new to me. I keep trying to find the PIP link on the web page….

Where is it?
–oops, scratch that, I found it.

Bob in HI

Method: Hit piece in WaaPoo

Motive: To be determined. Possibile senerios of motive: to disarm or remove cheeney. to save boosh presidency, the “legacy”. Possible payback for wrongs committed to various agencies (CIA comes immediately to mind – they know how to take down governments).

Victimology: Cheeney. How much did the victim’s actions bring the acts upon himself? Who are his “enemies”? Who would benefit from cheeney leaving OVP?

Opportunity: Who had the info to give the reporters (very well covered by marcy at tnh)? Who approved the giving of that info?

Suzanne @ 154

who benefits from the waapoo piece is part of determining the motive for the piece.

is it payback? is it to protect boosh? is it to protect the gop? why was cheeney targeted?

determine the motive and the list of players is greatly reduced.

1. yes
2. yes
3. YESSS

4. because he’s made the most enemies within the party, done the most nasty stuff, been the most radical, because his personal assistant has been convicted in federal court, he’s the least popular with the public and, his name isn’t Bush.

Suzanne @ 154

who benefits from the waapoo piece is part of determining the motive for the piece.

is it payback? is it to protect boosh? is it to protect the gop? why was cheeney targeted?

determine the motive and the list of players is greatly reduced.

Hmm. Becker & Gellman may have been collecting quotes for this piece while doing interviews for other subjects. Whether or not that’s so, the Angler articles were apparently completed months ago, possibly as far back as February.

So we know (or *strongly* suspect) that the article was held back by WaPo’s editors. Which ones? Downie seems more likely than Kaplan.

Then we have today’s Quinn piece speculating that Fred Thompson would be a good replacement for Dick. So, Sally’s part of the WaPo pile on.

Seems like the best place to start looking for who pushed publication of the story is in Len and Sally’s social set.

This is predicated on the assumption that the real players aren’t the ones who contributed to the story, but the one’s who pushed for publication of it. Find them, then the motives and benefits will become clear.

.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 146

[snip]

Bob, at the risk of being self-centered, have you any constructive comments on my blog so far? This is all still very new to me. …

I didn’t see any way for visitors to leave comments. If you wanna have a conversation, you have to let the other folks talk!

Looks like a very good beginning; you have something of the “teacher” in you, I see.

Also, I’d suggest shorter essays– break the longer ones up into shorter ones, and dribble them out with some time in between. Look a Marcy Wheeler’s posts on TNH for their length and frequency (i.e., how much time between posts). Also, look at Christy Hardin Smith’s morning run of essays here at FDL for the same data.

Just my dos centavos.
Bob in HI

My bellieve is the post was held since at least the Libby sentencing. Remember the silence from the waapoo editorial board. So silent Froomkin even kept a running total of how many days with no editorial re libby. Not op-eds. Editorial.

Who has Downie delayed articles in the past for? And why the delay? Is there an assumption that cheeney has had sufficient time to cover any tracks that lead to boosh? He’s been shredding since last summer (remember the shredding co at his place at the Naval Observatory?) the destruction of visitor logs?

cheeney could try to head off impeachment with resignation but i can only see him doing that in a last ditch attempt to try to save boosh and/or the gop. otherwise, he is going to try to ride it out until jan 09 – ala gonzo.

Aggggg… that should read:

My belief… ok, when i start making typos like that, it is my cue to climb down from the mod tower and start making my way to bed.

g’nite all. i’ll be checking your place tomorrow ak.

Suzanne @ 163

Aggggg… that should read:

My belief… ok, when i start making typos like that, it is my cue to climb down from the mod tower and start making my way to bed.

g’nite all. i’ll be checking your place tomorrow ak.

sleep well, suzanne. If was ever to even THINK of committing a crime, the thought of your steely eyes watching me would deter it (that and your obvious skills at detective work…)

Bob Schacht @ 161

Alfred Kelgarries @ 146

[snip]

Bob, at the risk of being self-centered, have you any constructive comments on my blog so far? This is all still very new to me. …

I didn’t see any way for visitors to leave comments. If you wanna have a conversation, you have to let the other folks talk!

Looks like a very good beginning; you have something of the “teacher” in you, I see.

Also, I’d suggest shorter essays– break the longer ones up into shorter ones, and dribble them out with some time in between. Look a Marcy Wheeler’s posts on TNH for their length and frequency (i.e., how much time between posts). Also, look at Christy Hardin Smith’s morning run of essays here at FDL for the same data.

Just my dos centavos.
Bob in HI

There is a way to comment, but i can’t find it. The gurus here have already taken three of my zeds! It’s PATHETIC! (g)

Agreed on the shorter blog entries. I have to find my sensible center.

Please don’t hesitate to criticize. I will run around screaming, throwing breakable objects, swearing in ancient languages….I mean, I will accept them in a spirit of constructiveness. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it! :>

JGabriel @ 160

Suzanne @ 154

who benefits from the waapoo piece is part of determining the motive for the piece.

is it payback? is it to protect boosh? is it to protect the gop? why was cheeney targeted?

determine the motive and the list of players is greatly reduced.

Hmm. Becker & Gellman may have been collecting quotes for this piece while doing interviews for other subjects. Whether or not that’s so, the Angler articles were apparently completed months ago, possibly as far back as February.

So we know (or *strongly* suspect) that the article was held back by WaPo’s editors. Which ones? Downie seems more likely than Kaplan.

Then we have today’s Quinn piece speculating that Fred Thompson would be a good replacement for Dick. So, Sally’s part of the WaPo pile on.

Seems like the best place to start looking for who pushed publication of the story is in Len and Sally’s social set.

This is predicated on the assumption that the real players aren’t the ones who contributed to the story, but the one’s who pushed for publication of it. Find them, then the motives and benefits will become clear.

.

The only flaws I find in your otherwise excellent reasoning are these:

1) So many on the record quotes. NOBODY in this admin EVER does that without permission from the TOP (boosh).

2) Level of access. The articles even have a dramatis personae link (linky) for heaven’s sake. So again, with this sort of wide-flung net AND on the record access, I still see Boosh.

I’m watching with one eye a replay of today’s Democracy Now segment, which showed file footage once again Nancy Pelosi categorically stating that impeachment was off the table. I think she called it a “waste of time.” Every time I see that, I get enraged. I am not the fan of Pelosi that some firepups are. Matter of fact, right now I’m feeling contempt, and trying hard to see what the difference between Pelosi and Joe Lieberman is.

Right now, it seems like Pelosi is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Bob in HI

Alfred Kelgarries @ 166

The only flaws I find in your otherwise excellent reasoning are these:

1) So many on the record quotes. NOBODY in this admin EVER does that without permission from the TOP (boosh).

2) Level of access. The articles even have a dramatis personae link (linky) for heaven’s sake. So again, with this sort of wide-flung net AND on the record access, I still see Boosh.

Perhaps. Although I can’t really see Bush going after Dick through the press. It’s not Bush’s style, which is more directly confrontational. And Bush hates the press.

Anyway, specualting on the source of the story by looking for the motive is likely to be unproductive.

Everyone has a motive to see Dick gone.

So we have to look to *how* it got written and published rather than why. Since the story was delayed, that means we can separate out the writing of the story as an important factor in the timing of its publication. For all we know, it was delayed because of a perception that Bush would disapprove (obviously, Cheney would), which undermines the theory that this was written with Bush’s acquiesence.

That pretty much leaves the social set around Len Downie, Sally Quin & Ben Bradlee, and the Grahams.

Republicans in those social circles must have started expressing reservations about Cheney, enabling Downie, et. al., to feel comfortable about going ahead with the Angler series. Even comfortable enough for Sally Quinn to post an article about it and speculate about Freddie as a replacement for Dick.

Anyway, you need to look for the Republicans in that social circle, then trace their connections back to the White House. Find the people in that subset who are most pissed at Dick, and why, and that’s probably the reason Angler articles finally got published.

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I know next to nothing about the DC society set. So someone else will have to follow up on that. But that is, in my opinion, where you need to start.

Most likely, it’ll start getting leaked soon anyway.

JGabriel @ 160

Then we have today’s Quinn piece speculating that Fred Thompson would be a good replacement for Dick. So, Sally’s part of the WaPo pile on..

Now that’s strange considering DeadEye’s Daughter and right-hand woMAN, Matalin are now working with Fred “Tommy” Thompson.

Wacked-out idea for the day: Cheney’s crew ordered the WaPoo’s “Angler” story in order to get F. Thompson into the Fourth Estate. This would really help Freddy’s chances of becoming the next Preznit. Cheney’s willing to take a fall for the “team.” His approval rating can’t really go much lower, and he’ll never be able to rehabilitate his image, so why the hell not get a hand-picked, well-liked crony in there while you still can.

Plus, Ken Lay called and said he’s running out of scotch and cigars out on the island.

bonkers @ 169

Wacked-out idea for the day: Cheney’s crew ordered the WaPoo’s “Angler” story in order to get F. Thompson into the Fourth Estate.

That’s just… bonkers. Sorry. Seriously, Cheney would never take a hit for anyone, much less ‘the team’. Cheney would order one of his minions to take the hit, then pull the trigger.

This might be of some use though, Steve Clemons wrote it on Friday in a post about the speculation over closing Gitmo:

… this could be another important example of President Bush tacking towards the consensus neo-realist position of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Bob Gates, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, CIA Director Mike Hayden, and White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten. State Department Elders John Negroponte, R. Nicholas Burns, and John Bellinger have also played vital roles in this transition of policy away from pugnacious, anti-international Cheneyism.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002192.php

Perhaps WaPo’s Angler series is the product of a full-on revolt against Cheney within the administration. A lot of names in the Angler series match up with the group of people Clemons identifies here as ‘the neorealists’.

(Found that quote by asking myself which blogger has the most ‘inside the beltway’ sources. Clemons’ Washington Note was the first to spring to mind.)

Clearly, a lot of those people have connections at The Post. If it is a revolt against Cheney, then it raises the question, is there an organizer of the revolt?

There doesn’t have to be one, but I’d guess that there is. And I’d also guess that it’s Josh Bolten.

Why? Two reasons:

1) Bolten, by dint of his Chief of Staff position has regular communications with most of the principals.

2) A repeated motif in the Angler stories is that Cheney views the VP position as a “surrogate Chief of Staff”. Seems like Bolten would be the one to have the greatest complaints, and most to complain about, on that score.

Having said that, I think Baker’s and Scowcroft’s hands are in the mix as well. Maybe they encouraged Bolten. Negroponte might be in there too — I always thought his, apparently requested, transfer from DCI to State must have some power move behind it.

In any case, the more I look at it, the more it looks like a power play on Bolten’s part, with a lot of support from Clemons’ ‘Neorealist’ side of the administration.

Bizarre. David Broder is actually a robot, and a very rusty one at that. Here is the proof.

You can almost hear the BBZZZZTT!! of the electrical circuits in his head as they short out. His diatribe had nothing to do with the fact the Dems have been compromising (WAY too much IMO), and had nothing to do with what he was asked. Send this dude out to pasture…it’s just pathetic now.

Hmm, I don’t suppose anyone’s gonna see that speculation on Bolten / Angler at the end of a late night thread. Maybe I’ll rewrite and/or re-post it if it’s relevant to a later topic.

It is a common experience that in the “provinces” the language gets frozen in time- wheras back home it evolves.

Being Quebecois myself (I seem to be the only one here), let me say a few things:

1. Quebec French has evolved differently from the French spoken in France; it has NOT gotten frozen in time. Do you consider that American English has gotten frozen in time?

2. The guy in the video is teasing his cats, and HE’s imitating the cats because to HIS ears, their meows sound like words akin to “yeah?”, “Ahhh”, and just plain grunts. The cats are asking desperately for him to feed them.

3. Cajuns are Acadians, French from what are today called the Maritime provinces (or simply Maritimes for short), deported there when the Brits took control of the region. At that point, Quebec was still holding on; we were finally defeated in 1759, after three months of siege waiting for the French metropolis to send help, which never came (most of us Quebecois feel a bit peeved about that one).

4. We’ve managed to hold on to our language and culture in the face of the overwhelming domination of English, as well as in the face of repeated, overt attempts to assimilate us by the English. The Anglos in Quebec love to complain about their lot, but they are really a tiny minority, and an extremely well off one at that (11% or the population, but they still control about 30% of the wealth). Anglos have 2 universities in Montreal, 3 local television stations (not counting the fact that cable is 90% English). The 2 biggest movie theaters only show films in English. So to that person who complained about having to hear Quebec French: Boo hoo fucking hoo. It would be like a Latino in the US complaining that his poor ears have to be subjected to the irritating twang of American English.

JGabriel @ 170

Having said that, I think Baker’s and Scowcroft’s hands are in the mix as well.

Certainly Bolten wouldn’t mind adding Baker’s and Scowcroft’s “hands” to his collection.

Thanks for the Clemons quote. The “neorealist” theory is rather….realist.

Good morning, pups. Bob Herbert is all alone behind the firewall today, with an update on the arrests of a group of young people in New York a few weeks ago. He makes the case that the police lied through their teeth. I know you’ll be disappointed, but Bobo is on vacation. We’ll just have to try to soldier on somehow…

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and the Thomas’ English muffins are hot and crunchy, just out of the toaster. Have a good day.

DR: One of my all-time favorite beers is from Quebec. I discovered Fin du Monde while working in Tornoto and Montreal. Oddly enough, the only other time I’ve ever seen it was in San Francisco. Outstanding stuff!

Didn’t realize Quebec had such good beermaking

bonkers @ 174

Certainly Bolten wouldn’t mind adding Baker’s and Scowcroft’s “hands” to his collection.

Thanks for the Clemons quote. The “neorealist” theory is rather….realist.

Thanks! We’ll see if it stands the test of time.

Speaking of “Hands” Bolten…

Let’s just say he’s another “family values” Repub, only without the family. But he’s got Bo Derek!

DR @ 173

1. Quebec French has evolved differently from the French spoken in France; it has NOT gotten frozen in time. Do you consider that American English has gotten frozen in time?

DR, good point. I thought about mentioning that earlier, with respect to Appalachian English and Icelandic, as well as Quebecois. No continuously spoken language ever gets ‘frozen in time’ — though sometimes isolated dialects change less than the main branch because of smaller populations. Somehow, I just failed to get to it. Glad you did.

Hmph. Emptywheel’s already on top of the Bolten speculation:

“I’d like to inventory the sources that Gellman and Becker used for their articles, as a way to understand where the shifting loyalties of the Administration lie. One thing that becomes clear by mapping this out is the centrality of Josh Bolten to many of the more damning accusations against Cheney. […] I think it is primarily an attempt by the COS and possibly Condi to bring Cheney under control, aided by former Administration lawyers they know to have soured on Cheney’s ways.”

From ‘Sources: Or, Tedious Kremlinology’
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..urces.html

Dammit, Marcy gets to everything first. BTW, Marcy’s take on it is, as usual, brilliant and highly detailed. Everyone should check it out.

Al the Spook here with a final linky to my first feeble attempt at real blogging.

http://spookinthemachine.blogs…..three.html

The post isn’t really done, as I have yet to spell check it, do proper formatting, and put in summary and evaluation elements.

But it’s a start, for an old ectoplasm such as I.

And those comments! I cried for the first time since I got over the loss of my lady one. I really don’t deserve them, and I will prove by greedily keeping them and trying to get more.

Now, sleepy until 9 am CDT when once more I descend into the maw of modern american health care…(poof)

AK, For what it’s worth: I often copy and paste items I want to reference later into a file. Many of your comments are there.

Becker & Gellman, WaPo: “Man-size Mosler safes, used elsewhere in government for classified secrets, store the workaday business of the office of the vice president.”

I keep coming back to this line, and every time the same thought pops into my mind, “So. That’s where the bodies are buried.”

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Chee-knee…as played by Michael “The Shield” Chiklis.

I must give the repubs credit for being masters of language. And now I’m going to steal one of their phrases because, quite frankly, it’s perfect:

BUSH GOT ELELCTED APPOINTED PRESIDENT AND THEN TRASHED THE PLACE

Plan to repeat it loudly and often.

TRex @ 93

(snip)

This has to be the slowest Clue Train to ever pull in to DC.

(snip)

I think I’m going to have to start a file of “clever quotes” from FDL.

TRex, mind if I borrow that phrase?

I am so ready for Mika in the Morning. Send Joe back catfishin’. The boy boor on MSNBC this morning acting like every nasty teasing big brother and Mika’s having none of it.

Shredded the Paris copy so she could lead with the Lugar story.

So I take back the snark yesterday about daddy issues, Mika. You go, girl.

Christy upstairs bending congress critters ears

punaise @ 112

corn on the cob, in Quebec, (or so I’ve heard) is epluchettes de ble dinde, which translates in Frenchy French as something like “little peelings of turkey wheat”. no direct equivalent in France, because they don’t eat corn on the cob. hardly eat corn at for that matter.

Sorry Punaise,

Une epluchette de blé d’inde is an event where a bunch of folks gather, and over a huge bonfire, cook a untold quantities of corn, slather them in butter and salt, and pig out. Corn on the cob is epi de mais.

DR at 173 is the voice of reason, the aproximations of Quebecois culture info tonight were almost Faux newsish. DR, you are not alone.

TRex @ 93

Forgive me if I don’t wrench my arm out of the socket in my rush to pat Dick Luger on the back. For fuck’s sake. This has to be the slowest Clue Train to ever pull in to DC. (snip)

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TRex – I just quoted you in a politics/religion chatroom I (sorta kinda) moderate at Dockwave. That’s one of the most clever phrases I’ve heard in a long time.

TRex, I just watched the video. I have to agree that that is French Canadian (or is it Canadian French?) The reason I know is the vinyl floor covering. I had that in my kitchen when I lived in Canada.

Quebecois @ 189

punaise @ 112

corn on the cob, in Quebec, (or so I’ve heard) is epluchettes de ble dinde, which translates in Frenchy French as something like “little peelings of turkey wheat”. no direct equivalent in France, because they don’t eat corn on the cob. hardly eat corn at for that matter.

Sorry Punaise,

Une epluchette de blé d’inde is an event where a bunch of folks gather, and over a huge bonfire, cook a untold quantities of corn, slather them in butter and salt, and pig out. Corn on the cob is epi de mais.

DR at 173 is the voice of reason, the aproximations of Quebecois culture info tonight were almost Faux newsish. DR, you are not alone.

OK, thanks for the correction. the apostrophe makes a big difference (d’inde vs. dinde). my observation was meant to be absent of any derision.

Hey,
Definitely Quebecois. At one point the man asks, “Comment? [Huh?].” The second vowel sounds more like the a in the English “command” than it does “like the “o” in the English “common.” That’s a dead giveaway. Also, the way he says “Oui” is standard Quebecois. It rhymes with the English “way.”
Good catch. But, I wonder, why does the origin of his accent catch your ear? Sorry if this is common knowledge and I’m simply ignorant, but, are you a polyglot? A linguist?

Punaise at 192

No offense was or is taken. Pas de problemes, Punaise.

Canuck stuck in mud at 193

Carnivorous Dinos eat linguists…

Q: alors, ca va!