1?

do?

You are too kind Jane, ‘Doofus’ is way too mild. He makes me want to throw things at my monitor.

Another.

Last paragraph – Davis.

Wow. Another seat for the home team. That would be wonderful!

OT..but Howie’s take on the newest Senator..

WYOMING SENDS CONGRESS A FOURTH HOMOPHOBIC GAY REPUBLICAN SENATOR– MEET JOHN BARRASSO

http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..ourth.html

Jane writes:

Tom Davis has been a special kind of irritant on the Waxman committee (dare I say “doofus?”)

Not only should you dare, it should be written in 48 point font, bolded, and capitalized. On a side of the aisle filled with empty suits, Davis shows himself to be among the emptiest of all. No gravitas, no brains, no integrity, no class.

Loo Hoo. @ 6

Wow. Another seat for the home team. That would be wonderful!

One down, sixteen to go..)

The man is an idiot. I’ve bookmarked Davis. As soon as Blue America puts up an opposition candidate, I will start contributing.

Davis’ Congressional district would also be in play without an incumbent. This is a two-fer, if Mark will run: the Senate seat and a House seat might turnover to Dem.

Warner would only be interested in the Vice if it retained its, um, new and unique powers, which I can’t see President Clinton allowing. He should be encouraged to do right by his party, and run for Senate. I think if Mark got in the race before John announces a decision, it might encourage John to get out.

EPU’d – so here it is again:
Richmond @ 179

Tinfoil hat time – and about to be EPU’d but – on the Cheney Washington Post story, I don’t buy this line. I think what we are seeing is a mini-coup d’etat. The Bush & Republican party group wants Cheney out of there so they can put in a new V.P. before the election (maybe Jeb – despite the dirty laundry). They thought they could push out Cheney with health issues(the summer operation) but he didn’t buy, so they contacted their friends at WaPo. Only by doing something like this would they be able to assuage their base. Note this also comes at a time when things are heating up in congress on Gonzales and oversight, so by drawing this out, they will have alot of political cover in the days ahead.

Way Off Topic, apologies, etc.

The name of the Rahm Emanuel amendment to Defund the Office of the Vice President (not a part of the Executive Branch, you know) is:

the Emanuel Amendment to the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Bill.

(I called his office asking what to call it when I talk to my own congressman. Diaried on DKos)

“Tom David has been a special kind of irritant on the Waxman committee (dare I say “doofus?”).”

I’ve only participated in the Waxman hearings through FDL live blogging, and I can say he’s irritated me no end.

Every chance to kick Holy Joe (I-Lie) to the curb of irrelevance will receive my support.

NSC approved all EPA statements…

Is this the guy who speaks with that smarmy old antebellum southern twang?

Kind of like Foghorn Leghorn?

Oh it would be sooo nice to see him crash and burn at the polls.

james @ 16

Is this the guy who speaks with that smarmy old antebellum southern twang?

Kind of like Foghorn Leghorn?

Oh it would be sooo nice to see him crash and burn at the polls.

I believe you are thinking of Lindsay (Beauregard) Graham.

For older Republicans like Warner (who have done all they could!), now is an excellent time to retire (run and hide under a rock).

Advice for Republicons: The subpoenas are gonna be a pain in the a*s. Cover your tracks as best you can and get out with the loot. Move to Mexico.

hackworth @ 18

For older Republicans like Warner (who have done all they could!), now is an excellent time to retire (run and hide under a rock).

Advice for Republicons: The subpoenas are gonna be a pain in the a*s. Cover your tracks as best you can and get out with the loot. Move to Mexico.

Republics, as long as you’re moving out of the country, please take the entire Bush family with you.

Twain @ 17

james @ 16

Is this the guy who speaks with that smarmy old antebellum southern twang?

Kind of like Foghorn Leghorn?

Oh it would be sooo nice to see him crash and burn at the polls.

I believe you are thinking of Lindsay (Beauregard) Graham.

AKA Huckleberry.

or Jeff Sessions.

Jim Webb for VP!!!

He has brass, passion, and stones to be the best VP we’ve had in a long time.

Davis has been a Party loyalist doing and saying whatever during hearings to provide cover for witnesses and sideshow distractions to the business at hand. He is a cold and calculating apparachitk, loyal to Party before country.

-ck- @ 21

Jim Webb for VP!!!

He has brass, passion, and stones to be the best VP we’ve had in a long time.

if Hillary got the nomination and picked Webb for VP, repugs everywhere would be pooping their pants…

it would be, if nothing else, very entertaining to watch!

If Mark Warner runs, he’ll win. If he doesn’t, oh, boy. George Allen wants to run again. This next election in the legislature is going to be rough. Dems may pick up a few seats but not enough, and the moderate Republicans in the senate wil have even less pull–and it’s not good to see them gone. Their replacements are no moderates, but right wing jerks. The state is so gerrymandered to favor Republicans that if it weren’t for NoVa and Hampton, we wouldn’t have Webb. Those two areas can’t carry everything.

Tom Davis reminds me of the ,a href=”http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/christmasstorybully.jpg
“>punk in a Christmas Story

uh… why am I underlined???

mods, Help!

OT but interesting: McClatchy Link

Ex-Justice official accused of aiding scheme to scratch minority voters

By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Sun, June 24, 2007

WASHINGTON — Four days before the 2004 election, the Justice Department’s civil rights chief sent an unusual letter to a federal judge in Ohio who was weighing whether to let Republicans challenge the credentials of 23,000 mostly African-American voters.

The case was triggered by allegations that Republicans had sent a mass mailing to mostly Democratic-leaning minorities and used undeliverable letters to compile a list of voters potentially vulnerable to eligibility challenges.

In his letter to U.S. District Judge Susan Dlott of Cincinnati, Assistant Attorney General Alex Acosta argued that it would “undermine” the enforcement of state and federal election laws if citizens could not challenge voters’ credentials.

…

Fascist

Mark Warner would acquire significantly more power and independence if he succeeded in taking John Warner’s Senate seat rather than accepting a possible invitation from Hillary to be her Veep. We need another ten votes in the Senate and couldn’t possibly give up Mark’s credible shot to a very important one from the Goopers. Surely, Hillary could find another candidate, whom she will undoubtedly permit to exercise far less power than Shrub has allowed Big Dick.

George Allen is all you say, OldCoastie, but it depends on whom the Dems nominate. Then there are Bolling and the other creep whose name I can’t remember now who would be just as awful as Allen.

If Warner retires, maybe Liz will take him back, I think she may be single once again.

I mean this punk

earlofhuntingdon @ 28

Mark Warner would acquire significantly more power and independence if he succeeded in taking John Warner’s Senate seat rather than accepting a possible invitation from Hillary to be her Veep. We need another ten votes in the Senate and couldn’t possibly give up Mark’s credible shot to a very important one from the Goopers.
Surely, Hillary could find another candidate, whom she will undoubtedly permit to exercise
far less power than Shrub has allowed Big Dick.

Hillary impresses me as a candidate desirous of a low-key running mate. Is Warner low key enough? I think he is. She won’t go for Webb. He would overshadow her.

AZ Matt @ 27

OT but interesting: McClatchy Link

Ex-Justice official accused of aiding scheme to scratch minority voters

By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Sun, June 24, 2007

WASHINGTON — Four days before the 2004 election, the Justice Department’s civil rights chief sent an unusual letter to a federal judge in Ohio who was weighing whether to let Republicans challenge the credentials of 23,000 mostly African-American voters.

The case was triggered by allegations that Republicans had sent a mass mailing to mostly Democratic-leaning minorities and used undeliverable letters to compile a list of voters potentially vulnerable to eligibility challenges.

In his letter to U.S. District Judge Susan Dlott of Cincinnati, Assistant Attorney General Alex Acosta argued that it would “undermine” the enforcement of state and federal election laws if citizens could not challenge voters’ credentials.

…

Fascist

The case was triggered by allegations that Republicans had sent a mass mailing to mostly Democratic-leaning minorities…

This is the definition of caging, is it not?

earlofhuntingdon @ 28

Mark Warner would acquire significantly more power and independence if he succeeded in taking John Warner’s Senate seat rather than accepting a possible invitation from Hillary to be her Veep. We need another ten votes in the Senate and couldn’t possibly give up Mark’s credible shot to a very important one from the Goopers. Surely, Hillary could find another candidate, whom she will undoubtedly permit to exercise far less power than Shrub has allowed Big Dick.

Much the same reasons Arkansas Democrats and Wes Clark need to replace Senator Mark lieberlovin‘ Pryor.. Wes remains silent except for his new contract with MSNBC and a pretty active email list… and much to my disappointment has endorsed Pryors reelection bid… nullifying all of his support for Ned Lamont last year, imo.

Pryor seems to be positioning himself for a Clinton Cabinet post.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 33

AZ Matt @ 27

OT but interesting: McClatchy Link

Fascist

The case was triggered by allegations that Republicans had sent a mass mailing to mostly Democratic-leaning minorities…

This is the definition of caging, is it not?

Joseph Rich, a former chief of the department’s Voting Rights Section, called the Ohio scheme “vote caging.”

-ck- @ 21

Jim Webb for VP!!!

He has brass, passion, and stones to be the best VP we’ve had in a long time.

One of the saddest developments over the past ten years has been the paucity of solid Democratic Party leaders emerging from states west of the Continental Divide- or the Mississippi River, for that matter. With the exception of Bill Richardson – who has been around a long time, anyway – there aren’t any first tier Dems emerging. I don’t count Mike Gravel as emerging, first tier or a West coaster – he’s lived back East forever.

I live in Tom Davis’ district and nothing would please me more than seeing him get his ass kicked in either a Senate or a re-election race. I gotta tell ya though, the latter at least is a real uphill battle…..he is SO bloody popular around here. Cause he shows up for things like block parties and 5K runs…..in the last of which, ahem, my husband AND my little boy came in ahead of him.

Also, there is the fact that he passes himself off as a “moderate.”

Does anyone know much about this Acosta person?

The new Ohio law permitted challenges in 2004 but required political parties to list targeted voters in advance of the election. The Ohio Republican Party notified election authorities in the fall of 2004 that it planned to challenge more than 35,000 voters at the polls, a figure it later trimmed to 23,000.

Democrats sued in Cincinnati to block the challenges and before U.S. District Judge Dickinson Debevoise in Newark, N.J., who had issued a consent decree barring the tactic in 1982 after finding the GOP illegally targeted minority voters in the state’s gubernatorial race the previous year.

The Justice Department was not a party to either case. Nor did Judge Dlott solicit the federal government’s views. But Acosta weighed in anyway.

Challenges, he wrote, “help strike a balance between ballot access and ballot integrity.”

TeddySanFran @ 35

Pryor seems to be positioning himself for a Clinton Cabinet post.

DLC Republican-lite types. If only there were a viable Party that would represent the desires of the majority of Americans and uphold the Constitution.

hackworth @ 32

earlofhuntingdon @ 28

Mark Warner would acquire significantly more power and independence if he succeeded in taking John Warner’s Senate seat rather than accepting a possible invitation from Hillary to be her Veep. We need another ten votes in the Senate and couldn’t possibly give up Mark’s credible shot to a very important one from the Goopers.
Surely, Hillary could find another candidate, whom she will undoubtedly permit to exercise
far less power than Shrub has allowed Big Dick.

Hillary impresses me as a candidate desirous of a low-key running mate. Is Warner low key enough? I think he is. She won’t go for Webb. He would overshadow her.

I don’t think Webb would do it anyway. I still believe he is a man of principle. Besides, iirc he did not have kind words for the Clintons back in the ’90s.

OT but scandalous info from Harper’s on that Republican lawyer whose affidavit accused Rove of involvement in the Siegelman persecution:

The response to Simpson’s affidavit has been a series of brusque dismissive statements – all of them unsworn – from others who figured in the discussion and the federal prosecutor in the Siegelman case, who has now made a series of demonstrably false statements concerning the matter. She’s been smeared as “crazy” and as a “disgruntled contract bidder.” And something nastier: after her intention to speak became known, Simpson’s house was burned to the ground, and her car was driven off the road and totaled. Clearly, there are some very powerful people in Alabama who feel threatened. Her case starts to sound like a chapter out of John Grisham’s book The Pelican Brief. However, those who have dismissed Simpson are in for a very rude surprise. Her affidavit stands up on every point, and there is substantial evidence which will corroborate its details.

(Bold mine) What will it take to get these guys behind bars?

Warner replacing Warner would be fantastic and i will throw money behind it if this indeed happens.. But Webb as VP after his failure to vote against continued war funding… why promote such behavior, people are dying.

KKKarl on the campaign trail in Upper Michigan:

…

Although Rove said the majority of Americans want the war to be over, he posed the question: “Are we going to stay and prevail or go and lose?”

As for Democrats, he said, “they seemed to be more interested in mandating failure.”

Rove criticized Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, who recently said the war is lost. Rove wondered what kind of inspiration his words would be to soldiers.

He added that he is confident that America will win the war.

Then he shifted to Osama bin Laden, describing how he is a danger to America and the world would be better off without him.

“It’s within our power to change the outcome,” Rove said. “We’re forcing the enemies out of their hiding places. We’re bringing the enemy to fight every day.”

Rove said Bin Laden’s agenda includes “the U.S. must be driven out of the Middle East” and “the utter destruction of Israel.”

In his closing remarks he gave his fellow Republicans a boost by encouraging them to run for office and to continue to support their leader.
…

Bye KKKarl, your day is ending. A new day is coming to Middle Earth.

yellowsnapdragon @ 42

OT but scandalous info from Harper’s on that Republican lawyer whose affidavit accused Rove of involvement in the Siegelman persecution:

The response to Simpson’s affidavit has been a series of brusque dismissive statements – all of them unsworn – from others who figured in the discussion and the federal prosecutor in the Siegelman case, who has now made a series of demonstrably false statements concerning the matter. She’s been smeared as “crazy” and as a “disgruntled contract bidder.” And something nastier: after her intention to speak became known, Simpson’s house was burned to the ground, and her car was driven off the road and totaled. Clearly, there are some very powerful people in Alabama who feel threatened. Her case starts to sound like a chapter out of John Grisham’s book The Pelican Brief. However, those who have dismissed Simpson are in for a very rude surprise. Her affidavit stands up on every point, and there is substantial evidence which will corroborate its details.

(Bold mine) What will it take to get these guys behind bars?

These people are torturers, criminals, and a danger to all life on earth.

AZ Matt @ 44

KKKarl on the campaign trail in Upper Michigan:

…

Although Rove said the majority of Americans want the war to be over, he posed the question: “Are we going to stay and prevail or go and lose?”

As for Democrats, he said, “they seemed to be more interested in mandating failure.”

Rove criticized Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, who recently said the war is lost. Rove wondered what kind of inspiration his words would be to soldiers.

He added that he is confident that America will win the war.

Then he shifted to Osama bin Laden, describing how he is a danger to America and the world would be better off without him.

“It’s within our power to change the outcome,” Rove said. “We’re forcing the enemies out of their hiding places. We’re bringing the enemy to fight every day.”

Rove said Bin Laden’s agenda includes “the U.S. must be driven out of the Middle East” and “the utter destruction of Israel.”

In his closing remarks he gave his fellow Republicans a boost by encouraging them to run for office and to continue to support their leader.
…

Bye KKKarl, your day is ending. A new day is coming to Middle Earth.

September – Osama

No big surprise there, he raised 500,000 last quarter while Warner raised 500. I’m sad to say Davis is my Rep. Saw him the other day at my grocery store parking lot, I was driving my electric car, he stopped and said how much he liked it. I wanted to throw up. Every step of the way he’s blocked legislation concerning global warming, supported big oil, and opposed even the mildest of CAFE standards. Thanks to him and GM, I’m stuck driving a three wheeled electric POS from China w/no AC! My husband, who is non-political, thinks he is the anti-christ. Reminds him of Martin Sheen in the Dead Zone. I can’t wait till he’s out. Anyone see him on Colbert? It was friggin hilarious. With any luck that will bite him on the rear.

OT – Watching Raul Emanuel on Hardball rule out impeachment of Cheney in favor of cutting the funds to the office of VP digusts me almost as much as learning Chris Matthews has invited Coultergeist to debate Sharpton in the last segment of today’s Hardball.

Badwater @ 19

hackworth @ 18

For older Republicans like Warner (who have done all they could!), now is an excellent time to retire (run and hide under a rock).

Advice for Republicons: The subpoenas are gonna be a pain in the a*s. Cover your tracks as best you can and get out with the loot. Move to Mexico.

Republics, as long as you’re moving out of the country, please take the entire Bush family with you.

The Bush family has already staked out a nice little plot in Paraguay. I think Paraguay used to be run by Stroessner who wore a nice Nazi-like uniform.

Interesting.

Eureka Springs @ 43

Warner replacing Warner would be fantastic and i will throw money behind it if this indeed happens.. But Webb as VP after his failure to vote against continued war funding… why promote such behavior, people are dying.

He’s a hawkish one. IIRC, Webb pulled one or two other hard right votes or stunts that soured me on him.

EPA hearing: They didn’t allow raw data to be released on the EPA website to the public, because it would give politicians with an ax to grind, ammunition.

No peer-reviewed studies of long term health problems, but what about the increase in the cases of sarcoidosis among rescue workers?

Do medical facts need to be peer-reviewed before they are accepted as significant?

I lost people who worked for me at one time Ground Zero. To downplay the diseases that the first responders are experiencing now because there are no peer-reviewed studies really pisses me off.

KateinNoVa @ 47

No big surprise there, he raised 500,000 last quarter while Warner raised 500. I’m sad to say Davis is my Rep. Saw him the other day at my grocery store parking lot, I was driving my electric car, he stopped and said how much he liked it. I wanted to throw up. Every step of the way he’s blocked legislation concerning global warming, supported big oil, and opposed even the mildest of CAFE standards. Thanks to him and GM, I’m stuck driving a three wheeled electric POS from China w/no AC! My husband, who is non-political, thinks he is the anti-christ. Reminds him of Martin Sheen in the Dead Zone. I can’t wait till he’s out. Anyone see him on Colbert? It was friggin hilarious. With any luck that will bite him on the rear.

Do you have a link to or about your electric car?

Repubs: There’s no peer-reviewed science to support that there was long-term health risk to those exposed during and after 9/11.

Ed*ard Teller @ 37

-ck- @ 21

Jim Webb for VP!!!

He has brass, passion, and stones to be the best VP we’ve had in a long time.

One of the saddest developments over the past ten years has been the paucity of solid Democratic Party leaders emerging from states west of the Continental Divide- or the Mississippi River, for that matter. With the exception of Bill Richardson – who has been around a long time, anyway – there aren’t any first tier Dems emerging.

Governor Schweitzer in Montana qualifies — but he’s a little too quick with the red meat for the red necks, for my taste. Still, he’s a rising star.

james @ 52

No peer-reviewed studies of long term health problems, but what about the increase in the cases of sarcoidosis among rescue workers?

Do medical facts need to be peer-reviewed before they are accepted as significant?

I lost people who worked for me at one time Ground Zero. To downplay the diseases that the first responders are experiencing now because there are no peer-reviewed studies really pisses me off.

Me too!!! Just a bunch of Lorna Doones. It’s the fault of the first responders, and ultimately, one of them actually said, it’s the fault of the hijackers. Grrrrrrrrr.

Good on Mattei for the peer-reviewed studies.

Eureka Springs @ 53

KateinNoVa @ 47

No big surprise there, he raised 500,000 last quarter while Warner raised 500. I’m sad to say Davis is my Rep. Saw him the other day at my grocery store parking lot, I was driving my electric car, he stopped and said how much he liked it. I wanted to throw up. Every step of the way he’s blocked legislation concerning global warming, supported big oil, and opposed even the mildest of CAFE standards. Thanks to him and GM, I’m stuck driving a three wheeled electric POS from China w/no AC! My husband, who is non-political, thinks he is the anti-christ. Reminds him of Martin Sheen in the Dead Zone. I can’t wait till he’s out. Anyone see him on Colbert? It was friggin hilarious. With any luck that will bite him on the rear.

Do you have a link to or about your electric car?

Why sure! http://www.zapworld.com We have both the Xebra sedan and pk. Love them (don’t expect too much quality though, and plan to buy a portable fan for the summer months).

Repubs: There is, however, peer-reviewed proof that pigs fly and humans have only been here for 2,000 years.

newspaperbrat @ 48

OT – Watching Raul Emanuel on Hardball rule out impeachment of Cheney in favor of cutting the funds to the office of VP digusts me almost as much as learning Chris Matthews has invited Coultergeist to debate Sharpton in the last segment of today’s Hardball.

One thing about impeachment (pointed out by that law professor guy with the insta-name) is that tho the Veep, aka President of the Senate is recused from presiding over impeachment of the POTUS (in favor of Chief Justice).

But no one ever expected…
people to fly planes into buildings
the levees to fail
That Hamas would win control of the Palestinian Parliament
…that the Vice President would be powerful enough to warrant impeachment himself.

So the President of the Senate would preside over his own impeachment hearings by the Senate

Whitman repeatedly referred to the WTC “ground zero” site, as “The Pile”.

oddmommy @ 38

I live in Tom Davis’ district and nothing would please me more than seeing him get his ass kicked in either a Senate or a re-election race. I gotta tell ya though, the latter at least is a real uphill battle…..he is SO bloody popular around here. Cause he shows up for things like block parties and 5K runs…..in the last of which, ahem, my husband AND my little boy came in ahead of him.

Also, there is the fact that he passes himself off as a “moderate.”

If he doesn’t run for re-election, no other Republican is going to get elected in that district. He’s hung on this long by being a master of pork and being vicious at pulling strings to cause trouble for potential challengers. If he does run again, I think we’ve got a good shot at him. Andy Hurst held him to his lowest vote percentage ever with a shoestring budget; I think he’d attract major financing with another run. Plus we’ve got lots of footage to show to the many federal workers in his district of Davis talking about how hard it is for political hacks to follow the Hatch Act that they have no trouble following every day.

hackworth @ 50

Eureka Springs @ 43

Warner replacing Warner would be fantastic and i will throw money behind it if this indeed happens.. But Webb as VP after his failure to vote against continued war funding… why promote such behavior, people are dying.

He’s a hawkish one. IIRC, Webb pulled one or two other hard right votes or stunts that soured me on him.

can you be more specific? As I said above, I haven’t soured on him yet.

They used to want to drive us crazy by using fear, now I think they are trying to drive us crazy by infuriating us.

LS @ 15

NSC approved all EPA statements…

This is a statement on 9-13-2001 by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The levels of lead, asbestos and volatile organic compounds in air samples taken on Tuesday in Brooklyn, downwind from the World Trade Center site, were not detectable or not of concern.

It was found that Condi Rice was
“the final decision maker”.

Now Secretary of State, Rice was then head of the National Security Council – “the final decision maker” on EPA statements about lower Manhattan air quality, the documents say.

Early tests known to the EPA at the time had already found high asbestos levels, the notes say. But those results were omitted from the press releases because of “competing priorities” such as national security and “opening Wall Street,” according to a report by the EPA’s inspector general.

I have heard the Christy Whitman now blames Rudy Giuliani for allowing the people of New York to breathe the toxic air.

LS @ 54

Repubs: There’s no peer-reviewed science to support that there was long-term health risk to those exposed during and after 9/11.

The scientific consensus on human activity and global warming is irrefutable. A handful of paid lapdogs who work for oil companies dissent from the majority view – so that’s what we believe if we are loyal Repuklicans.

This call for peer-reviewed scientific studies is a smokescreen and nothing more. Republicans don’t believe in science!

Perhaps they just aren’t praying enough.

LS @ 64

They used to want to drive us crazy by using fear, now I think they are trying to drive us crazy by infuriating us.

Emanuel infuriates me more than the GOPers. I expect it from them, but I at least expect Emanuel to play a Democrat on TV even if he is really GOP-lite.

TeddySanFran @ 11

Davis’ Congressional district would also be in play without an incumbent. This is a two-fer, if Mark will run: the Senate seat and a House seat might turnover to Dem.

Warner would only be interested in the Vice if it retained its, um, new and unique powers, which I can’t see President Clinton allowing. He should be encouraged to do right by his party, and run for Senate. I think if Mark got in the race before John announces a decision, it might encourage John to get out.

I disagree about Mark Warner — I think he’d be interested (and a good choice) if VP had the role Al Gore was given — government management. However, if he’s interested (and from what I’ve heard, he is), it’d be because it’s still the position that makes you heir apparent. I don’t think he’s given up his presidential ambitions, and VP is a better route to that than senator. Personally, I’d rather he go for senator, of course, and permanently consign both Tom Davis and George Allen to RNC apparatchik status.

Someone needs to get Frank33’s comment to Nadler.

Redshift @ 62

oddmommy @ 38

I live in Tom Davis’ district and nothing would please me more than seeing him get his ass kicked in either a Senate or a re-election race. I gotta tell ya though, the latter at least is a real uphill battle…..he is SO bloody popular around here. Cause he shows up for things like block parties and 5K runs…..in the last of which, ahem, my husband AND my little boy came in ahead of him.

Also, there is the fact that he passes himself off as a “moderate.”

If he doesn’t run for re-election, no other Republican is going to get elected in that district. He’s hung on this long by being a master of pork and being vicious at pulling strings to cause trouble for potential challengers. If he does run again, I think we’ve got a good shot at him. Andy Hurst held him to his lowest vote percentage ever with a shoestring budget; I think he’d attract major financing with another run. Plus we’ve got lots of footage to show to the many federal workers in his district of Davis talking about how hard it is for political hacks to follow the Hatch Act that they have no trouble following every day.

well, that’s good to hear. I’ll lead the charge here in Vienna……and my menfolk will continue to kick his ass in 5ks.

This is hardly top grade political science, but last fall when I was focused on getting the VILE George Allen out of office, and was grasping for all the encouragement I could find……I derived some comfort from the fact that many people who had Tom Davis yard signs, did NOT also have George Allen yard signs. So maybe there’s hope for them too.

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

OT, just an interest story:

Hollywood gave us all-singing, all-dancing penguins, and surfing penguins, but leave it to evolution to give us giant, prehistoric spear-fishing penguins from Peru.

In a case of fact being stranger than fiction, or at least animation, paleontologists have discovered the fossilized remains of a fearsome new species of penguin that lived on the southern coast of Peru about 36 million years ago, according to a study released Monday.

The ancient bird, Icadyptes salasi, stood five foot tall and had a pointed seven-inch beak which it probably used to spear its prey.

The now extinct penguin species is one of the largest ever reported and was recovered from the coastal desert of Peru.

Giant Penguins

One survived! Dick Cheney!

Want to get rid of Tom Davis? Elect Chap Petersen.

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

ding!

Hillary’s Veep will be incredibly circumscribed. I doubt she’ll give him the power Al had. I really think Warner would chafe under the take-away Veep job, but the heir apparent role would certainly tempt him.

Would he really put VA in play on Hillary’s ticket, do you think?

I’d sure rather see him run for Senate, though.

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

You got that right. Seriously, that factor is good for three percent at least. Throw in a butterfly ballot…

from Integrity in Science newsletter:

~~A new report from the Government Accountability Office found that the Environmental Protection Agency ignored the advice of its outside expert when it developed methods for testing toxic dust from the World Trade center attacks in lower Manhattan, leaving local residents with misleading information about possible health risks. ~~~

link is 14 page .pdf link here

TeddySanFran @ 11

Davis’ Congressional district would also be in play without an incumbent. This is a two-fer, if Mark will run: the Senate seat and a House seat might turnover to Dem.

Warner would only be interested in the Vice if it retained its, um, new and unique powers, which I can’t see President Clinton allowing. He should be encouraged to do right by his party, and run for Senate. I think if Mark got in the race before John announces a decision, it might encourage John to get out.

Why would Warner want the VP now? He didn’t want to run for Prez because it would take away from time with his family. That was why the Senate seat should have appealed to him. I always thought Mark Warner should announce he was running for Senate, to put the pressure on John Warner.

TeddySanFran @ 11

Davis’ Congressional district would also be in play without an incumbent. This is a two-fer, if Mark will run: the Senate seat and a House seat might turnover to Dem.

Warner would only be interested in the Vice if it retained its, um, new and unique powers, which I can’t see President Clinton allowing. He should be encouraged to do right by his party, and run for Senate. I think if Mark got in the race before John announces a decision, it might encourage John to get out.

Bingo!! I’d really like Hillary to do right by the party [yeah, sure - best “right by the party she could do is not run] and encourage Warner to run for the Senate. Dems REALLY need that seat [AND Davis’]. There are plenty of good VP candidates, but I’m waiting for the VA Dems to let us know if there are other good Senate candidates there, likely to be similarly sucessful.

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

Sir!! I can only HOPE I misunderstood.

Surely you have NOT just stepped forth….. in this righteous community…… and accused MY fellow citizens of THIS Great Commonwealth…….of possessing “LIZARD BRAINS”???

I beg to not differ.

oddmommy @ 80

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

Sir!! I can only HOPE I misunderstood.

Surely you have NOT just stepped forth….. in this righteous community…… and accused MY fellow citizens of THIS Great Commonwealth…….of possessing “LIZARD BRAINS”???

I beg to not differ.

Sorry, I just read “Deer Hunting with Jesus”..

oddmommy @ 63

hackworth @ 50

He’s a hawkish one. IIRC, Webb pulled one or two other hard right votes or stunts that soured me on him.

can you be more specific? As I said above, I haven’t soured on him yet.

If you have listened to any interviews with Webb, he voted exactly like he said he would. He wants withdrawal and there are certain things he wants done. I wish I remembered his exact words. I think withdrawal has to be more spread out than the Feingold-Reid bill for Webb to vote for it.

TeddySanFran @ 75

Hillary’s Veep will be incredibly circumscribed. I doubt she’ll give him the power Al had. I really think Warner would chafe under the take-away Veep job, but the heir apparent role would certainly tempt him.

Would he really put VA in play on Hillary’s ticket, do you think?

I’d sure rather see him run for Senate, though.

Hillary’s veep would be….circumWHAT again??
Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

totally digging the talk of Mark Warner being a Senator from Virginia.

speculation about Hillary’s running mate? turns my stomach.

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

Woa–I’m from VA and I resent that remark! That’s simply not true. Our last 2 governors have been Dems, and we elected Dem Webb to the Senate. Let’s not dump on VA

hackworth @ 40

TeddySanFran @ 35

Pryor seems to be positioning himself for a Clinton Cabinet post.

DLC Republican-lite types. If only there were a viable Party that would represent the desires of the majority of Americans and uphold the Constitution.

This is why I think a Hillary Clinton presidency will destroy the Democratic party, a la Rahm Emmanuel.

I heartily recommend the latest surreal episode of the over sighing congressional hearing saga:

EPA v We the People

Hillary might well pick a military guy- Clark?

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 78

Why would Warner want the VP now? He didn’t want to run for Prez because it would take away from time with his family. That was why the Senate seat should have appealed to him. I always thought Mark Warner should announce he was running for Senate, to put the pressure on John Warner.

From everything I’ve heard, it was running for president, not serving, that was the family conflict. He dropped out of the race for president because running for two years would have taken him away from his family while his daughters are still at home. By the time he’d be in office, they’d be in college, or nearly so, so the reasoning no longer applies. VP doesn’t have to start campaigning full-time until the convention, so it’s about equal to a senate campaign in that respect.

Yes, Hillary wants a VP candidate who’s role is circumcribed. No gregarious grandstanding personalities would please her. She intends to run her own show. She takes the left for granted. Triangulating DLC Republican-lite.

Susan @ 85

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

Woa–I’m from VA and I resent that remark! That’s simply not true. Our last 2 governors have been Dems, and we elected Dem Webb to the Senate. Let’s not dump on VA

I’d love to agree….but the fact is that Webb never would have been elected were it not for (1) Northern Virginia, and (2) the fact that George Allen turned out to be incapable of opening his mouth without making a total abominable ass of himself.

Plenty of rednecks in this here state, ayup….and they don’t all live in trailer parks. Look at the numbers that voted in favor of that anti-gay-anything-like marriage amendment.

Mark Warner needs to do the math: There are simply no other Democrats who can win Warner’s Senate seat. Lotsa Democrats can help Hillary win the White House as her running mate.

Maybe those mass-mailings were undelieverable because they neglected to put stamps on the envelopes :))

Alice @ 73

Want to get rid of Tom Davis? Elect Chap Petersen.

If not get rid of him, at least make him cry. Throwing Davis’ Newt-style second wife out of the State Senate would sure be a great appetizer to throwing out the bum himself.

TeddySanFran @ 92

Mark Warner needs to do the math: There are simply no other Democrats who can win Warner’s Senate seat. Lotsa Democrats can help Hillary win the White House as her running mate.

I agree.

oddmommy @ 83

TeddySanFran @ 75

Hillary’s Veep will be incredibly circumscribed. I doubt she’ll give him the power Al had. I really think Warner would chafe under the take-away Veep job, but the heir apparent role would certainly tempt him.

Would he really put VA in play on Hillary’s ticket, do you think?

I’d sure rather see him run for Senate, though.

Hillary’s veep would be….circumWHAT again??
Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

Bahahahha. That was my reaction too!!

Shuster in for Tucker… actually covering the VP mess.

Shuster in for Tucker? Hmm- that would be a good PERMANENT change.

hackworth @ 90

Yes, Hillary wants a VP candidate who’s role is circumcribed. No gregarious grandstanding personalities would please her. She intends to run her own show. She takes the left for granted. Triangulating DLC Republican-lite.

word, brotha!!!

Steve @ 71

A good thing about Warner running is that there are enough low information lizard brains in Va that, when they pull the Warner lever, they will think they are voting for the old man.

It would be a nice bookend to the beginning of his political career. He rose to prominence (IIRC) by a strong showing against John Warner in ‘96, and I’m convinced that a portion of that vote was from people who weren’t sure which was which, especially since we didn’t have party identification on the ballot then. (I still love the “Mark Not John” bumper stickers.)

Shuster in for Tucker again. Why don’t they make this permanent, I’ll keep tuning in!

He made reference to a pardon being the only option for Bush to keep him out of prison. Can he say respite, respite, respite?? Barring a court intervention (for which the administration (not sure if that means Bush or Cheeney) is fervently praying), respite will be the option the puppet preznit chooses, that’s my prediction.

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

ooo – Ron Christie’s head is getting kinda sweaty with David’s questions!

Who is this slick Nimrod on now [on w/Shuster]?

He’s vile.

Eureka Springs @ 102

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

This morning there were 21 pending dead at Iraqcasualties. I don’t have the link, I’ll bet there are more now.

OT, but I do this every time there is news. On BBC this evening, chilling video of Alan Johnston, BBC man in Gaza kidnapped in March, wearing what he has been told is an explosive belt which will be set off if anyone tries to rescue him by force.

All this despite the fact that wanting his release is about the only thing Hamas and Fatah do agree on.

Has this brave man, who was the only Western correspondent who lived in Gaza, and who told clearly of what conditions were like there, made the US media atall?

I think I heard on the TV that the Scooter goes to jail in three weeks!

Redshift @ 94

Alice @ 73

Want to get rid of Tom Davis? Elect Chap Petersen.

If not get rid of him, at least make him cry. Throwing Davis’ Newt-style second wife out of the State Senate would sure be a great appetizer to throwing out the bum himself.

I didn’t know he had one of those. Eeeeeew.
Party of Family Values, anyone????

Then there is Miss Mary Mommy, over in Great Falls….wonder how many of the baby gifts she got are from folks who voted against that amendment…….

It would be great to see Mark Warner take that seat. Wonder if that’s why he left the presidential race so abruptly, there was no apparent reason at the time.

I do flinch at Howie’s characterization of Senator Warner as a fossil. Do we object to his policies or the mere fact of his age?

Senator Warner has a lot of respect here among people of all political persuasions.

mauimom @ 104

Who is this slick Nimrod on now [on w/Shuster]?

He’s vile.

Ron Christie, Paid Republican Shill

Did Ron Christie just say that Bush might have told Cheney not to tell Hadley etal. about the NIE???

Chetnolian @ 106

OT, but I do this every time there is news. On BBC this evening, chilling video of Alan Johnston, BBC man in Gaza kidnapped in March, wearing what he has been told is an explosive belt which will be set off if anyone tries to rescue him by force.

All this despite the fact that wanting his release is about the only thing Hamas and Fatah do agree on.

Has this brave man, who was the only Western correspondent who lived in Gaza, and who told clearly of what conditions were like there, made the US media atall?

yes…
the story is evident, if not prominent…
it’s the bomb-belt that gets the ink/pix, of course…
./

OT – Ron Christie is a pig.

He’s on Tucker (with Schuster) claiming that Cheney is doing this “for future Vice President’s”

Or something.

Schuster is kicking his butt on Libby

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Link to casualty information.

89 dead this month to date.

Schuster Smackdown!!

My word choice was puerile, perhaps.

Does anyone remember the awful “co-presidency” that got floated out of the 1980 GOP convention — Jerry Ford would run with StRonnie as a stabilizing, experienced influence in order to reassure the Eastern elites about RR’s coming Presidency? Makes me wonder, now, who among Ford’s advisers proposed that co-presidency idea. Was it his former CoS, Darth Cheney? The current setup seems very like what was proposed then.

After securing the Republican nomination in 1980, Ronald Reagan gave serious consideration to his former rival Ford as a potential vice-presidential running mate. But negotiations between the Reagan and Ford camps at the Republican National Convention in Detroit were unsuccessful. Ford conditioned his acceptance on Reagan’s agreement to an unprecedented “co-presidency”,[90] giving Ford the power to control key executive branch appointments (such as Henry Kissinger as Secretary of State and Alan Greenspan as Treasury Secretary). After rejecting these terms, Reagan offered the vice-presidential nomination instead to George H. W. Bush.[91]

mauimom @ 104

Who is this slick Nimrod on now [on w/Shuster]?

He’s vile.

Lizard brain named Ron christie, bush apologists extraordinaire. Strawman arguemnts and lies are his forte.

I’ve never seen Ron Christie sweat before, but he is going to have to mop his forehead in about a minute.

Schuster knows the Libby case quite well. “You are wrong”, he tells the loyal bushie.

Schuster to Christie: Ron, you’re a great guy and a great guest, but on politics, and on the law, and on Libby you are wrong!!

egregious @ 109

It would be great to see Mark Warner take that seat. Wonder if that’s why he left the presidential race so abruptly, there was no apparent reason at the time.

I do flinch at Howie’s characterization of Senator Warner as a fossil. Do we object to his policies or the mere fact of his age?

Senator Warner has a lot of respect here among people of all political persuasions.

I’ll always respect him for speaking out against Oliver North in ‘94. I was pregnant with my first child at the time and aghast at the thought of bringing her into the world in a state that would elect that petty criminal.

Chetnolian @ 106

It’s been on CNN.com all day. LATimes.com has it in the ‘World’ subsection, not on the front page.

As for the TV/radio networks, I don’t know (being at work and glued to the computer).

Helen @ 120

Schuster to Christie: Ron, you’re a great guy and a great guest, but on politics, and on the law, and on Libby you are wrong!!

Smack!

Yes, Warner (Mark) will win the race. Today’s Wall Street Journal had the winger view on the Republican civil war in our state. It’ll be quite nice having two Dem Senators here….

Is there any news coverage of the Supreme Court Decisions?

Senator Clinton:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted for the Patriot Act twice
Voted to authorize gazillions to Halliburton for no bid contracts
Blamed the Iraqis, not Bush or the neocons for the mess they’re in
Remains an active supporter of the Iraq occupation
And cannot admit she made a mistake

Congratulations to David Schuster! He’s the only one I’ve ever seen with the guts to call some of these guys on the false “facts” that they keep spewing! He flat out said that Libby was not “the” leaker, but he was a leaker, and that Armitage might not have even known to leak the information if Libby had not tried to leak it to Judy Miller, to Matt Cooper, and to a whole lot of other administration officials. He is a true journalist.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 126

Senator Clinton:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted for the Patriot Act twice
Voted to authorize gazillions to Halliburton for no bid contracts
Blamed the Iraqis, not Bush or the neocons for the mess they’re in
Remains an active supporter of the Iraq occupation
And cannot admit she made a mistake

Sounds Republican.

I don’t get all this speculation about the identity of Hillary’s running mate.

Hillary’s not going to be the nominee.

TeddySanFran @ 116

My word choice was puerile, perhaps.

Does anyone remember the awful “co-presidency” that got floated out of the 1980 GOP convention — Jerry Ford would run with StRonnie as a stabilizing, experienced influence in order to reassure the Eastern elites about RR’s coming Presidency? Makes me wonder, now, who among Ford’s advisers proposed that co-presidency idea. Was it his former CoS, Darth Cheney? The current setup seems very like what was proposed then.

After securing the Republican nomination in 1980, Ronald Reagan gave serious consideration to his former rival Ford as a potential vice-presidential running mate. But negotiations between the Reagan and Ford camps at the Republican National Convention in Detroit were unsuccessful. Ford conditioned his acceptance on Reagan’s agreement to an unprecedented “co-presidency”,[90] giving Ford the power to control key executive branch appointments (such as Henry Kissinger as Secretary of State and Alan Greenspan as Treasury Secretary). After rejecting these terms, Reagan offered the vice-presidential nomination instead to George H. W. Bush.[91]

I didn’t mean to imply that it was puerile. I thought it was funny.

Elliott @ 125

Is there any news coverage of the Supreme Court Decisions?

The NYTimes and WaPo0 web sites are both showing prominent articles and analyses.

Pat Buchanan swallowed his kool-aid today…

dakine01 @ 131

Elliott @ 125

Is there any news coverage of the Supreme Court Decisions?

The NYTimes and WaPo0 web sites are both showing prominent articles and analyses.

thanks! and on the Teevee?

OT, but I have to admit to having a slight addiction to the icanhascheezburger site.

Don’t blink

*xyz @ 129

I don’t get all this speculation about the identity of Hillary’s running mate.

Hillary’s not going to be the nominee.

see my #84

Buchanan: Cheney’s a wonderful guy. Bush is at fault for listening to Cheney. WTF?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 126

Senator Clinton:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted for the Patriot Act twice
Voted to authorize gazillions to Halliburton for no bid contracts
Blamed the Iraqis, not Bush or the neocons for the mess they’re in
Remains an active supporter of the Iraq occupation
And cannot admit she made a mistake

Then there’s my pet peeve: a true liberal would not try to curry favor and buy votes by giving up the right of freedom of expression thru a flag burning law. If she’ll give that up for political expedience, what other of my civil rights will she be willing to give away?

*xyz @ 129

I don’t get all this speculation about the identity of Hillary’s running mate.

Hillary’s not going to be the nominee.

from your keyboard to the ear of the lord…

Valley Girl @ 134

OT, but I have to admit to having a slight addiction to the icanhascheezburger site.

Don’t blink

Writes like Ali G talks!

Oops. Almost forgot. Though I mentioned it the other day, Senator Clinton: Champion of health care reform, is the second largest receiver, according to “SiCKO”, of health care industry monies.

Elliott @ 133

dakine01 @ 131

The NYTimes and WaPo0 web sites are both showing prominent articles and analyses.

thanks! and on the Teevee?

Couldn’t tell ya. About the only thing close to news I watch on TV is KO, a littl Hardballwhen Mathews isn’t being a total idiot/tool/fool, and maybe Tuckery when he’s not there (especially when Schuster subs like today). Keeps the blood pressure at manageable levels…

Ann in AZ @ 136

Oklahoma kiddo @ 126

Senator Clinton:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted for the Patriot Act twice
Voted to authorize gazillions to Halliburton for no bid contracts
Blamed the Iraqis, not Bush or the neocons for the mess they’re in
Remains an active supporter of the Iraq occupation
And cannot admit she made a mistake

Then there’s my pet peeve: a true liberal would not try to curry favor and buy votes by giving up the right of freedom of expression thru a flag burning law. If she’ll give that up for political expedience, what other of my civil rights will she be willing to give away?

anything that’ll gain her a step, or a vote…

she’s NOT a liberal…she’s more ‘liberal’ than Atillette the Hun, but not by much…
./

Ann in AZ @ 136

Oklahoma kiddo @ 126

Senator Clinton:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted for the Patriot Act twice
Voted to authorize gazillions to Halliburton for no bid contracts
Blamed the Iraqis, not Bush or the neocons for the mess they’re in
Remains an active supporter of the Iraq occupation
And cannot admit she made a mistake

Then there’s my pet peeve: a true liberal would not try to curry favor and buy votes by giving up the right of freedom of expression thru a flag burning law. If she’ll give that up for political expedience, what other of my civil rights will she be willing to give away?

Good point.

dakine01 @ 141

Elliott @ 133

thanks! and on the Teevee?

Couldn’t tell ya. About the only thing close to news I watch on TV is KO, a littl Hardballwhen Mathews isn’t being a total idiot/tool/fool, and maybe Tuckery when he’s not there (especially when Schuster subs like today). Keeps the blood pressure at manageable levels…

I can’t imanage that working for me. Tweety needs an intervention

Eureka Springs @ 102

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

It is unfortunate and sad that these senseless and unnecessary deaths provide the strongest argument against the war. The opinion of the warmongering types often change a great deal too when one of their own children joins the military. They begin to pay better attention to details. Like the ginned-up excuses for making war with Iraq.

LS @ 105

Eureka Springs @ 102

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

This morning there were 21 pending dead at Iraqcasualties. I don’t have the link, I’ll bet there are more now.

Here is the link for the reporting period details.

http://icasualties.org/oif/prd…..Ref=6-2007

Anybody here a member of APA?

APA condones psychologists participating in torture and active involvement/participation in military ‘interrogations’…

Psychiatrists, on the other hand, are warned against such participation by their ‘professional’ org…

who’s got ‘ethics’ and who’s got a checkbook?

Eureka Springs @ 102

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

it’s getting worse. sigh.

wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 147

Anybody here a member of APA?

APA condones psychologists participating in torture and active involvement/participation in military ‘interrogations’…

Psychiatrists, on the other hand, are warned against such participation by their ‘professional’ org…

who’s got ‘ethics’ and who’s got a checkbook?

I heard that people are withholding their dues in protest.

Valley Girl @ 134

OT, but I have to admit to having a slight addiction to the icanhascheezburger site.

Don’t blink

Me, too!

You Eated my Cookie?

oddmommy @ 121

egregious @ 109

It would be great to see Mark Warner take that seat. Wonder if that’s why he left the presidential race so abruptly, there was no apparent reason at the time.

I do flinch at Howie’s characterization of Senator Warner as a fossil. Do we object to his policies or the mere fact of his age?

Senator Warner has a lot of respect here among people of all political persuasions.

I’ll always respect him for speaking out against Oliver North in ‘94. I was pregnant with my first child at the time and aghast at the thought of bringing her into the world in a state that would elect that petty criminal.

Seems like we got that world no matter what, huh?

Liddy, North, the whole Contra crew are well represented in this administration. Poindexter is still data-mining no matter what they call it now. Abrams is working his magic somewhere indoctrinating little neocon acolytes.

Anyone wanting a bit of nostalgia and a good laugh should track down Frank Zappa’s “Broadway the Hard Way.” It is hilarious and gives a good capsule idea of what the political landscape of the right-wing was like back in the late 80s.

1,558 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:

Good post and topic Ms. Jane, but I am wonderin’ why many of us are still fallin’ all over ourselves about Mark Warner…I know we’re talkin’ Virginia but certainly Virginia ken come up with someone closer to 21st Century Democratic Party values than Mark Warner. On core issues like choice, labor, affirmative action, etc. we’re still willin’ ta settle for old 19th Century “genteel” instead of 21st Century real jest because it’s the “old south”. The last thing we need is to carry any portion of the South by buildin up a new generation of Dixiecrat Dems.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…LET’S NOT SNATCH DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY HERE!!

Virginia to the Dems? Yes.
And one day my state will be blue again. There are many of us down here who are very determined to see this happen.

Lets see Tweety or any MSMer interview a torture survivior like Sister Deanna Ortz.. as Amy Goodman is doing today.

randiego @ 148

Eureka Springs @ 102

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

it’s getting worse. sigh.

I am a little surprised and disappointed that the rising casualties aren’t having more effect with the Republican base. The last time I looked at the break-down of the numbers, 71% of the killed were non-Hispanic white. I would assume that a large percentage of those come from families in “Bush’s” base.

egregious @ 109

I do flinch at Howie’s characterization of Senator Warner as a fossil. Do we object to his policies or the mere fact of his age?

Warner opposed the various get out of Iraq resolutions. Then he put out one of his own that was supposedly “centrist”. Then he voted against his own resolution (I believe it was on a cloture motion but I would have to check) on a party line vote. I don’t know what you would call someone who opposes, then wters down, then torpedoes something like that but fossil does come to mind.

He seems smart and knowledgeable enough to realize how bad things are in Iraq but rather than vote to get them out of harm’s way he has consistently voted to support the troops by keeeping them at risk to no purpose. Again sounds like fossil to me.

FYI, new thread

Eureka Springs @ 154

Lets see Tweety or any MSMer interview a torture survivior like Sister Deanna Ortz.. as Amy Goodman is doing today.

I watched that this morning. She just broke down when she heard about Cheney. It was heartbreaking.

OK @ 143

I’d like to see (and haven’t yet) an explanation of how they’d handle
(1) people respectfully burning worn flags (the proper method of disposal, I was taught)
(2) people respectfully burning flags as a method of protest
(3) people disrespectfully burning flags as a method of protest
(4) people casually burning worn flags
(5) people tossing worn flags in the trash

(in descending order of respect, to my way of thinking)

Steve @ 155

randiego @ 148

it’s getting worse. sigh.

I am a little surprised and disappointed that the rising casualties aren’t having more effect with the Republican base. The last time I looked at the break-down of the numbers, 71% of the killed were non-Hispanic white. I would assume that a large percentage of those come from families in “Bush’s” base.

1. It’s a relatively small percentage of families that are actually being affected.
2. Fox News (all the base watches) carries almost no coverage of the war.
3. The national media is sooo compliant.
4. They’ve been very careful to avoid a draft, which would generate a significant amount of outrage, due to the fact it would affect a LOT more people.

Where’s the outrage??

tokin lib’rul @112

Thanks. Just wanted to know.

Amy was terrible with Sister Deanna…
it really pissed me off.

P J Evans @ 159

OK @ 143

I’d like to see (and haven’t yet) an explanation of how they’d handle
(1) people respectfully burning worn flags (the proper method of disposal, I was taught)
(2) people respectfully burning flags as a method of protest
(3) people disrespectfully burning flags as a method of protest
(4) people casually burning worn flags
(5) people tossing worn flags in the trash

(in descending order of respect, to my way of thinking)

How about those great patriots who allow the flag to fly in tatters in the rain and leave it out all night?

Or the patriots who let little worn, ripped flags flutter on their antennae, little bits of them falling to the ground as they disintegrate?

Yeah, those of us on the left are real America haters, ain’t we?

Redshift @ 94

Alice @ 73

Want to get rid of Tom Davis? Elect Chap Petersen.

If not get rid of him, at least make him cry. Throwing Davis’ Newt-style second wife out of the State Senate would sure be a great appetizer to throwing out the bum himself.

Amen to that! I have a friend who actually thought she might be interested in removing phosphates from our dishwashing detergents. Oh no! That could hurt Cascade! She neglected to remind her, Va banned phosphates from our laundry detergents over 20 years ago. So much for our crabs and crabbers for that matter.

egregious @ 109

It would be great to see Mark Warner take that seat. Wonder if that’s why he left the presidential race so abruptly, there was no apparent reason at the time.

I do flinch at Howie’s characterization of Senator Warner as a fossil. Do we object to his policies or the mere fact of his age?

Senator Warner has a lot of respect here among people of all political persuasions.

I agree. While I disagree with most everything Sen Warner stands for, he (or his staff) have always responded to every letter I have written over the years (compared to one in five for Rep Davis). I was also happy with Senator Warner’s decision to not dilute the CAFE standards in the E bill (Sen Levin’s proposed amendment). Webb, on the other hand (who I volunteered for), told the WaPo he would support it! He’s lucky he changed his mind. I’m with others on this board, I’m not so sure about Webb.

Why did I think Hillary had already picked Senator Bayh as a running mate? Everything I’ve seen points to that.

Richmond @ 12

EPU’d – so here it is again:
Richmond @ 179

Tinfoil hat time – and about to be EPU’d but – on the Cheney Washington Post story, I don’t buy this line. I think what we are seeing is a mini-coup d’etat. The Bush & Republican party group wants Cheney out of there so they can put in a new V.P. before the election (maybe Jeb – despite the dirty laundry). They thought they could push out Cheney with health issues(the summer operation) but he didn’t buy, so they contacted their friends at WaPo. Only by doing something like this would they be able to assuage their base. Note this also comes at a time when things are heating up in congress on Gonzales and oversight, so by drawing this out, they will have alot of political cover in the days ahead.

I can’t believe Ron Suskind is a “friend.”

-ck- @ 21

Jim Webb for VP!!!

He has brass, passion, and stones to be the best VP we’ve had in a long time.

#21. I think he would be too threatening to Hillary.

rwcole @ 98

Shuster in for Tucker? Hmm- that would be a good PERMANENT change.

Right on #98. Shuster is terrific.

LS @ 105

Eureka Springs @ 102

Amy Goodman reports at least 12 US soldiers killed on Sat. and at least 31 killed last week.

This morning there were 21 pending dead at Iraqcasualties. I don’t have the link, I’ll bet there are more now.

Lehrer said 84 so far this month.

wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 138

*xyz @ 129

I don’t get all this speculation about the identity of Hillary’s running mate.

Hillary’s not going to be the nominee.

from your keyboard to the ear of the lord…

If she’s the nominee and I hope she is not, I’ll vote for her. But remember who accompanied her to Iraq, Senator Bayh. They are buddies and he won’t threaten her, and provide good looks.