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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780554&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Chetnolian @ 172&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:perris@158&quot;&gt;perris@158&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That’s how I see it. And if Rove were behind it, don’t assume it’s to help Bush, as he’s not up for re-election. Just imagine if Karl could engineer a Republican success from the current mess, what a great guy he’d seem! No bizarre atall to someone who simply does the math. Principles aren’t in it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, that is what I was thinking . When I heard that Rove’s interim US Attorney appointment to Arkansas had resigned and started working for Fred Thompson’s campaign, I had the feeling Rove was preparing a move and his colleague was preparing the way. Rove needs to get out from under the crushing Bush legacy and find a winner. If he set this article up, he might also be repaying Fitzgerald for 5 visits to the grand jury.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-780554"><em>Chetnolian @ 172</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="mailto:perris@158">perris@158</a><br />
That’s how I see it. And if Rove were behind it, don’t assume it’s to help Bush, as he’s not up for re-election. Just imagine if Karl could engineer a Republican success from the current mess, what a great guy he’d seem! No bizarre atall to someone who simply does the math. Principles aren’t in it.</p>
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<p>Yes, that is what I was thinking . When I heard that Rove’s interim US Attorney appointment to Arkansas had resigned and started working for Fred Thompson’s campaign, I had the feeling Rove was preparing a move and his colleague was preparing the way. Rove needs to get out from under the crushing Bush legacy and find a winner. If he set this article up, he might also be repaying Fitzgerald for 5 visits to the grand jury.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780483&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;spiderpaws @ 104&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…a big fight is looming with the Congress &amp; WH in July says the cards, a really nasty one some people are saying&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Executive can’t touch Congress, but Congress can destroy the Executive. I’ll take odds on Congress coming out on top.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-780483"><em>spiderpaws @ 104</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>…a big fight is looming with the Congress &amp; WH in July says the cards, a really nasty one some people are saying</p>
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<p>The Executive can’t touch Congress, but Congress can destroy the Executive. I’ll take odds on Congress coming out on top.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780461&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alfred Kelgarries @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780446&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…&lt;br /&gt;
gut feeling about what’s going to happen?  Any sense yet?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush is throwing Cheney and his whole staff under the bus (or worse). We are about to experience a civil war like never before. Holy Frak.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The one person I don’t see mentioned is Georgie Boy. Could it be…could it just be that this is a hit piece sent from George to Dick (with no love) in response to something said or done by Shooter?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It looks like a Vietnam soldier whose “shit” is coming unglued.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t think this is the first volley or the last in this virtual explosion of the administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First rat to blow up all the others wins!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-780461"><em>Alfred Kelgarries @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-780446"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 67</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>…<br />
gut feeling about what’s going to happen?  Any sense yet?</p>
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<p>Bush is throwing Cheney and his whole staff under the bus (or worse). We are about to experience a civil war like never before. Holy Frak.
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<p>The one person I don’t see mentioned is Georgie Boy. Could it be…could it just be that this is a hit piece sent from George to Dick (with no love) in response to something said or done by Shooter?</p>
<p>It looks like a Vietnam soldier whose “shit” is coming unglued.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t think this is the first volley or the last in this virtual explosion of the administration.</p>
<p>First rat to blow up all the others wins!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/24/late-late-sunday-fdl-you-gonna-want-what/#comment-781295</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780400&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alfred Kelgarries @ 27&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780394&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Suzanne @ 22&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The WaPoo article will cause even more rats to leave the sinking ship.  Loose rats have loose lips.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Spook taking a break)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The really interesting parts to me so far are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) Addington is DEFNINTELY getting thrown under the bus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) Yoo is NOT GETTING THROWN UNDER THE BUS. He is allowed to whitewash himself onto Addington. Note that he speaks of actions that are clearly not only illegal, but potential war crimes. …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) Gonzales is being flip flopped, but generally shown to be a blithering incompetent idiot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) Cheney is NOT getting THROWN under the bus. Rather, he has been staked out at a railroad crossing with dynamite sticks in every orifice with burning fuses as a train bears down. …
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lovely!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I love it when a lot of coincidences come together.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-780400"><em>Alfred Kelgarries @ 27</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-780394"><em>Suzanne @ 22</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The WaPoo article will cause even more rats to leave the sinking ship.  Loose rats have loose lips.</p>
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<p>(Spook taking a break)</p>
<p>The really interesting parts to me so far are:</p>
<p>1) Addington is DEFNINTELY getting thrown under the bus.</p>
<p>2) Yoo is NOT GETTING THROWN UNDER THE BUS. He is allowed to whitewash himself onto Addington. Note that he speaks of actions that are clearly not only illegal, but potential war crimes. …</p>
<p>3) Gonzales is being flip flopped, but generally shown to be a blithering incompetent idiot.</p>
<p>4) Cheney is NOT getting THROWN under the bus. Rather, he has been staked out at a railroad crossing with dynamite sticks in every orifice with burning fuses as a train bears down. …
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<p>Lovely!</p>
<p>I love it when a lot of coincidences come together.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The idea that Yoo was “forced” to sign off on Addington’s torture memos seems far-fetched.  The Post’s equivocation here seems to match its conclusion that Cheney is not the mover and shaker in this administration, but is just doing Bush’s bidness.  That credits Bush with more leadership and Cheney with more humility than either has shown.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Gonzales redefines emotional obsequiousness in seeking to pleasure his el patron, Yoo redefines it intellectually.  But he is altogether a sterner and more potent intellect than Gonzales.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Instead of moving up and down in the water like ‘Fredo, as Addington’s wavelike force spread through him, Yoo added to that force, doubling the wave height.  He bent his intellect to Dick Cheney’s purposes, which mirror those of an Asian strongmen from Singapore or Korea more than a Founding Father from Tidewater Virginia.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yoo joined Addington as one of Cheney’s “banal bureaucrats”.  He helped create the legal framework that convinced people that the unthinkable was legal and permissible, even required, because it was serving Good/God fighting Bad/the Devil.  He and Addington may not have stuck the ice pick, or sodomized or half-drowned their victims physically, but their legal opinions did it virtually.  They made the reality of that behavior more likely, and harder to detect and punish.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If war crimes have been committed by this administration, a proposition that seems highly likely, they are among its perpetrators.  John Yoo should be in the dock, not teaching “constitutional” law to the best and brightest students in America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Yoo was “forced” to sign off on Addington’s torture memos seems far-fetched.  The Post’s equivocation here seems to match its conclusion that Cheney is not the mover and shaker in this administration, but is just doing Bush’s bidness.  That credits Bush with more leadership and Cheney with more humility than either has shown.</p>
<p>If Gonzales redefines emotional obsequiousness in seeking to pleasure his el patron, Yoo redefines it intellectually.  But he is altogether a sterner and more potent intellect than Gonzales.  </p>
<p>Instead of moving up and down in the water like ‘Fredo, as Addington’s wavelike force spread through him, Yoo added to that force, doubling the wave height.  He bent his intellect to Dick Cheney’s purposes, which mirror those of an Asian strongmen from Singapore or Korea more than a Founding Father from Tidewater Virginia.  </p>
<p>Yoo joined Addington as one of Cheney’s “banal bureaucrats”.  He helped create the legal framework that convinced people that the unthinkable was legal and permissible, even required, because it was serving Good/God fighting Bad/the Devil.  He and Addington may not have stuck the ice pick, or sodomized or half-drowned their victims physically, but their legal opinions did it virtually.  They made the reality of that behavior more likely, and harder to detect and punish.  </p>
<p>If war crimes have been committed by this administration, a proposition that seems highly likely, they are among its perpetrators.  John Yoo should be in the dock, not teaching “constitutional” law to the best and brightest students in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Irina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Alfred.  that was a great read.  appreciate your taking the time to do it.  Huxley wrote in Brave New World REVISITED that to lesson the chances of another hitler’s germany, propaganda analysis should be taught in the grade schools but I guess David Rockerfeller didn’t go for that idea. ;o.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gives me a little hope that the torture will stop and some people will be held accountible.  harpers magazine had a strong article about the fears of the CIA that they would stand trial for war crimes and they did not want to continue these atrocities being demanded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alfred.  that was a great read.  appreciate your taking the time to do it.  Huxley wrote in Brave New World REVISITED that to lesson the chances of another hitler’s germany, propaganda analysis should be taught in the grade schools but I guess David Rockerfeller didn’t go for that idea. ;o.</p>
<p>Gives me a little hope that the torture will stop and some people will be held accountible.  harpers magazine had a strong article about the fears of the CIA that they would stand trial for war crimes and they did not want to continue these atrocities being demanded.</p>
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		<title>By: jayt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780569&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 187&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JPL @ 185&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;JAYT updates please..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Rehash of article so far.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly. The only new thing I picked up is that Gellman seems to personally have no problem with Cheney at all. “We’re not in the judging business.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The man seems unaware of what he’s written - or perhaps someone has already had a good ‘talk’ with him already.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like the next two installments are gonna be about the ‘good Cheney’, or at least the extent to which he doesn’t always get his way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-780569"><em>raven @ 187</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-780567"><em>JPL @ 185</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>JAYT updates please..</p>
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<p><i>Rehash of article so far.</i></p>
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<p>Exactly. The only new thing I picked up is that Gellman seems to personally have no problem with Cheney at all. “We’re not in the judging business.”  </p>
<p>The man seems unaware of what he’s written &#8211; or perhaps someone has already had a good ‘talk’ with him already.</p>
<p>Sounds like the next two installments are gonna be about the ‘good Cheney’, or at least the extent to which he doesn’t always get his way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alfred — in case you come back here and I miss you in threads upstairs:  BRAVO!!  Most excellent work!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My take:&lt;br /&gt;
– Poppy had enough and worries for HIS legacy, not merely Dubya’s;&lt;br /&gt;
– CIA highly motivated to aid Poppy (read: gave him the weaponry);&lt;br /&gt;
– The succession plan is as suggested in previous threads: Condi gets the hand off;&lt;br /&gt;
– We are now free to seek impeachment of both Cheney and Gonzo.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am thinking that Fred Thompson’s time in the spotlight is dwindling, too.  There will be something nasty that emerges before January 2009 about him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alfred — in case you come back here and I miss you in threads upstairs:  BRAVO!!  Most excellent work!</p>
<p>My take:<br />
– Poppy had enough and worries for HIS legacy, not merely Dubya’s;<br />
– CIA highly motivated to aid Poppy (read: gave him the weaponry);<br />
– The succession plan is as suggested in previous threads: Condi gets the hand off;<br />
– We are now free to seek impeachment of both Cheney and Gonzo.</p>
<p>I am thinking that Fred Thompson’s time in the spotlight is dwindling, too.  There will be something nasty that emerges before January 2009 about him.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/25/manners-and-trashing-the-place/&quot;&gt;Scarecrow upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/25/manners-and-trashing-the-place/">Scarecrow upstairs</a></p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-780567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JPL @ 185&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;JAYT updates please..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rehash of article so far.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-780567"><em>JPL @ 185</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>JAYT updates please..</p>
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<p>Rehash of article so far.</p>
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