Judge Walton ends his memorandum opinion where I would like to begin my analysis — because this gets right to the heart of the entire Traitorgate investigation, the Libby indictment, subsequent trial and conviction, and every other fingerprint left by every member of the Bush Administration on this whole betrayal:
“[T]he integrity of the rule of law, which is a core ingredient of the American system of government, is challenged to the greatest degree when high-level government officials come under suspician for violating the law,” and “[t]here must therefore be a process by which the perception of fairness [within our system of justice] withstands the scrutiny of the American public when prosecution authority is called upon to investigate [such] public officials.” (pp. 27-28)
In the course of the investigation in which Libby now finds himself indicted, convicted and sentenced in a court of law, FBI investigators and later, after appointment, Patrick Fitzgerald and his legal team, found themselves facing a referral from the Central Intelligence Agency alleging that a covert intelligence operative had been exposed by members of the United States government who worked at the highest levels.
That investigation led to depositions and grand jury testimony and conversations with federal investigators encompassing the President, the Vice President, the Bush Administration’s chief political strategist and operative, national security, foreign policy and legal advisors at the highest levels of our nation’s government — all of whom were implicated, either as potential targets who participated in the unlawful disclosure, or who knew information which was material to the investigation.
I cannot think of a more important reason to proceed not only with care and concern for the laws and the evidence, but also holding the trust of the American public as a very important fiduciary obligation while, at the same time, upholding the oath to serve and protect the Constitution, the laws of our nation, and to seek justice.
That the “Free Scooter” screeching crowd has so denigrated this difficult obligation because a prosecutor dared to seek conviction for a high-level government official who has now been found guilty by a jury of his peers for not one, not two — but four federal felonies for which he stands sentenced for perjury under oath, for false statements to federal investigators and for obstructing the investigation into the leaks — is disgusting enough. That they do so by attempting now to also denigrate the federal judge who oversaw the trial, in as even-handed a manner as I have seen a trial run, is dishonest on its face. And they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
So I want to begin by saying this: Judge Walton and his law clerks have done an exemplary job in examining the law and the evidence, and the arguments both for or against each sides’ positions, in a very thorough a manner, both from the bench and in writing. The law clerk who worked for Judge Walton in the lead-up to the trial and during the bulk of the conduct of the trial itself, worked his butt off — and it showed in the detailed footnotes and thorough legal grounding of the opinions from the court. Judge Walton himself allowed defense counsel an extraordinary amount of leeway, having patience with them that I could never have mustered when, at times, defense counsel were droning on and on with repetitive questions down dead-end tangential alleys surely meant to confuse a jury that saw right through them, even to the point of allowing them to bring in CIPA information that had already been excluded to some extent by the court to give them enough space to make their outside-the-box memory arguments on Libby’s behalf.
Any lawyer who cannot argue their case on the merits but, instead, has to resort to some outside PR tactical offensive built on half-truths and outright lies and smokescreen obfuscations, who has to instead rely on an attempt to besmirch the character of legal professionals who have done nothing but try to remain true to the rule of law, wherever the evidence and the actions of the defendant and the other witnesses in the case may take them — that smacks of nothing but desperation and smarm. And it says to me that they know that, on the merits, they have nothing — and thus they have nothing to lose by stepping into the gutter.
I needed to get that off my chest, because it is unseemly conduct. This is the work of the political operation crew — the Comstocks, the Matalins, the smear and fear crowd, all of whom have been loyal to Dick Cheney from day one above anything else in this case — and conservatives who have any sense of decency and respect for the rule of law should denounce this conduct, and fast, or forever be tarred with the same fetid, dishonorable brush.
And now, onto the substance.
Judge Walton has already addressed the bulk of the substantive arguments contained in the current memorandum opinion (dated 6/21/07) in prior rulings and opinions wherein the arguments on Fitzgerald’s authority and appointment as special counsel were already raised by defense counsel prior to trial. (See here for a summary of that prior argument and opinion from back in April of 2006.)
There are two newer issues that Judge Walton addresses herein that need further amplification. The first is whether or not a substantial question of law is raised with a likelihood that reversal on appeal might occur. For the record, Walton says no, and then goes further to address that quirky defense assertion that simply because a judge thoroughly answers questions of law and evidence in a prior opinion that this is some sort of evidence that a substantial question exists:
It should be evident, of course, that the fact that this Court has taken the time to explore the issues before it in a careful and thorough manner is in no way reflective of the closeness of the questions presented. It is the habit of this Court — confirmed by a cursory examination of the collective corpus of its published opinions — to evaluate every legal issue, however close, to the fullest extent merited by, among other things, the novelty of the question in this Circuit, the complexity of the facts, the import of the case, and the quality of each party’s legal representation. Indeed each of the foregoing factors was abundantly present here. Accordingly, the Court’s desire to decide an issue completely and correctly to the best of its ability should not be taken as an indication that the issue is “one that could very well have been decided either way.”…This “[T]almudic dissection[]” of the Court’s word choice and phrasing scissors the language of the Court out of its memorandum opinions in a manner that deprives it entirely of context…and does not befit a considered and searching analysis of the defendant’s claims on their own merits, in accordance with the circumstances of the case and all relevant precedent, to determine whether a substantial question of law or fact has or has not been raised by the defendant…. (fn. 6, p. 4)
In other words, “counselor, don’t try to twist my words into something I did not say, because this court does not put up with that. And, also, you are wrong in both your factual representation and your interpretation of Section 3143.” I think that was pretty clear, don’t you?
The judge then goes into analysis of the defense claims that Fitzgerald does not meet the criteria of Morrison and/or Edmonds as an “inferior officer” for purposes of the Appointments Clause, and further on to the CIPA argument which was newly raised in arguments by new appellate counsel Robbins. Judge Walton characterizes the “inferior officer” arguments made by Team Libby (and their amici proxies) as follows:
The defendant’s points of disagreement with the Court’s application of the Morrison factors are predicated on illogical leaps of reasoning and inferences that no appellate court is likely to draw based on the facts of this case….The defendant substantially overstates the plausible breadth of the authority granted to Fitzgerald by the Comey letters….Rather, they delegate to Fitzgerald “all the authority of the Attorney General” within the limited sphere of the Plame investigation.
In other words, “that’s quite a stretch, but no one is buying it” with the Fitzgerald wasn’t appropriately given authority, with monitoring strings attached to an acting attorney general who supervised him.
Judge Walton is even more blunt about the CIPA argument being “without merit, albeit for different reasons.” (p. 14) And on page 15 he drops what is likely the fatal blow on the argument: that defense counsel failed to raise this issue during the pre-trial, CIPA or even trial phase, and that Mr. Robbins entry as appellate counsel was the first reference to any such objection — and then, only in a response brief to the government’s initial response to appellate grounds being argued for retention of bond pending appeal.
Ouch.
What this means is that, where trial counsel fails to make a timely objection on the record to perfect an issue for appeal, the defendant is often not allowed to raise that issue during the appeals process. It is never an absolute — especially where you can show that trial counsel was altogether incompetent and failed to do its job properly. But, in Libby’s case, it is tough to argue that a multi-million dollar, multi-lawyer, very high profile trial team with layers of lawyers and associates all working the case at once was incompetent and not diligent — especially given the reams of motions papers that flew through the course of the entire pre-trial, trial, and post-trial phases.
Additionally, and this is the part that made me laugh out loud, Judge Walton says that even if you take the argument on its face that Fitzgerald did not have the authority to make the CIPA designations as argued by defense counsel, because only the Attorney General and a few other expressly designated officials have the authority to do so (had there actually been a 6(e) filing, which there was, in fact, not…so that argument is thus moot), that this proves, then, that Fitzgerald was a subordinate officer. That it is “therefore resoundingly clear that the constitutional status of the Special Counsel as an inferior officer for the purposes of the Appointments Clause is not a close question.”
Ooops. Plus, the failure to contend that the defendant was actually prejudiced by Fitzgerald’s actions in the CIPA proffers and summations — to which there was no objection on the record anyway — pretty much classifies this as a harmless error, if that, according to Walton in footnote 22, p. 19.
So, in sum: still weak grounds for defense appeal, hoisted on their own petard on that last bit, and Judge Walton isn’t buying their aggrieved defendant act. Here’s hoping the appeals panel of Sentelle, Henderson and Tatel agrees.
(Photo of highlighters via NinJA999.)
PS — I’ll be on Sam Seder’s Show on Air America Sunday afternoon beginning at 5 pm ET.
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I have to go run errands, LS. Can you hold down the fort?
The question is: how wide spread is the rot? If the DC Circuit rule 2-1 to continue the appeal bond..it will be a sad day.
Brilliant piece, Christy, thank you!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 3
Reinforcements have arrived. Go run your errands!
Bob in HI
Alfred Kelgarries @ 3
Ummmm….okay. :)
I’d like to submit to the screeching fools and tools of the vile ReichWing who in their delusions of power imagine that they can dictate to us, the people of this free nation, about the rule of law or anything else the following:
My modest proposal for the disposition of the Libby sentencing…
And no…
This is not satire.
This is not snark.
My post details the punishment ‘Scooter’ Libby should be receiving. The proper deserts for a traitor to his country in a time of war as his boss, he was a ‘Special Assistant to the President’ after all, is so fond of telling us.
Those who would claim a pardon for this vile scumbag who has put tthe entire nation in greater risk of nuclear attack are themselves traitorous and should be so named.
Christy:
I.E. Amici Illuminati Brief?
…in Libby’s case, it is tough to argue that a multi-million dollar, multi-lawyer, very high profile trial team with layers of lawye[r]s and associates all working the case at once was incompetent and not dillegent…
they had nothing to build a good case from; they’ve been desperately clutching at straws all along.
great post!
((Waives to LoudounLib))
Excellent post Christy. As a civil lawyer I have only half a clue what the issues are here, but I have read enough judicial opinions to recognize a slap down when I see one. It looks like His Honor is bullet proofing his rulings pretty thoroughly, absent a pardon I think Scoots will be wearing orange pretty soon.
Christy, I love the way you help us understand this. Wow, Walton is awesome. I imagine that being the Judge in such a high high profile and politically-charged case has taken tremendous courage, and he and his aides have clearly risen to the occasion. I think the next 3 are going to take the same position.
LS @ 7
Good. Here’s the troll whacker. Bob can have the nsa jammer so they can’t snoop. back soon.
(( waves back at petedownunder — g’day! ))
Pardon the complete OT and the shameless pimpage, but Suzanne told me to remind y’all today –
I’m going to be the musical guest on the Bree Walker Show today (as well as live-blogger and general 2-cent-adder). If you’re in the LA area, it’s on from 2-4 Pacific time on KTLK 1150 AM. If you’re somewhere else, you can stream it here –
http://2005.progressivetalk115…..aming.html
Thanks!
Christy,
Small typo/spelling error. Your sixth paragraph you write, “…down dead-end tangential allies surely …”. I assume you meant alleys instead of allies.
In a word Suave… Wonderful post Christy, thank you.
And the reality is that mere words cannot convey the contempt that I feel for the “free scooter screechers.” Especially since so many of them were so prominent in screeching the opposite effect in the ’90s.
May the good Dog/Goddess/Gaia/(insert name of supreme being of your choice here) show them the especial consideration they most richly deserve.
Any idea to which SuperFriends the Appeals Court panel was saying “wait, don’t get so friendly?” Was it those pesky firstyear law students again?
My favorite line:
“[T]he integrity of the rule of law, which is a core ingredient of the American system of government, is challenged to the greatest degree when high-level government officials come under suspicion for violating the law,”
Paging 4th Branch, paging 4th Branch…
Thanks for breaking it down, Christy!
I have to say I’ve been impressed with Judge Walton in all of this. He didn’t always do what I thought was right but I could see in his own eyes he was trying to decide what was fair and even handed, and he seemed to be quite smart at anticipating the bs that was coming down the pike. Nobody who sat there and listened to 8 hours of Libby lying in his grand jury testimony (who isn’t named “Libby”) can really have any doubt about his guilt, the jurors certainly didn’t and neither did Judge Walton. I know the smear campaign is focused on Fitzgerald right now but it will no doubt migrate if Scooter’s entitlement tantrum doesn’t elicit the special treatment from the system he demands, and I’m sure we’ll be hearing what a “partisan” Reggie is during the appeals process. He isn’t.
So, to summarize the argument about the judge’s response to the Morrison question, it is that if someone were to write something stupid, and someone else were to spend a considerable amount of effort explaining why it was stupid, then the first someone could then in turn say “See, it wasn’t very clear-cut, was it?”
LS at 20:
I agree that this is the best line in the opinion. And I have no doubt that Judge Walton
penned that line with an eye towards actions taken by officials in Office of the President and Vice-President and in the Department of “Just Us” .
I can’t keep up with everything, but when Morrison is mentioned, is this the one? Another link
Jane 22,
Weren’t people worried before the trial started that he was partisan the other way? I seem to recall that, but I might be wrong. Anyway, he proved that in the face of really scary “threats” he stared down power anyway to uphold the integrity of the rule of law in these troubled times.
the entire problem here is the democrats have not framed this discussion, they just let the republicans say whatever they want to say
democrats have to start calling Libby a traitor, they have to start telling anyone who broaches the subject that Libby deliberately covered the tracts of treason
and they have to challenge the patriotism of ANYONE that suggests Libby get some kind of pardon
that’s what HAS to be done if we expect to see jail time for this traitor
Cujo359 @ 23
I guess I thought it meant that; you let us go through an entire trial where you said this and that and this and that, but you never challenged Fitzpatrick’s authority to prosecute this case until things didn’t go your way, and that just ain’t right. Something like that.
Thanks for going over this. It’s hard for us arty people to get a hold of these points, and I do appreciate it.
Now to find somebody to explain it to the public in effective, soundbite format.
perris @ 27
They are apparently afraid of a formidable “power and special interests” that causes them to back off the major issues – like impeachment, the occupation of Iraq, outing a COVERT CIA agent, Cheney’s power grab, you know; all the really, really important things.
Glad this was helpful for folks. We’re watching a movie here at Chez Smith (Bedknobs and Broomsticks for today’s matinee, by The Peanut’s request), but I sneaked away to see if anyone had questions. The Morrison case can be found here. And the Edmond case can be found here. Meant to link those up above and forgot to add the links into the draft — apologies to everyone on that.
off topic, but GREAT
democrats are gonna try to defund executive speding for the vice president
EXCELLANT
perris @ 32
If he is not part of the legislative branch, and he ’s not part of the executive branch, then lets a U-Ha*l and move him out. Anybody want to do the heavy lifting?
perris @ 32
The funny thing is that Cheney and Bush are arguing with US as to where they work and what branch they work in, and who they are…big identity crisis.
They work for us, and as far as I am concerned they are both fired (since nobody will impeach them), and they need to take Gonzo with them…I hope the door hits them in the behind on the way out.
Addington should immediately be disbarred for his irrational lawyering skills. Can we make him go?
perris @ circa 27
democrats have to start calling Libby a traitor, they have to start telling anyone who broaches the subject that Libby deliberately covered the tracts of treason.
Many of us have been saying the same thing for weeks. If we’re smart enough to think of it why can’t the 7-figured salaried bozos that the Dems call their “consultants” get the idea. There is really no downside for the Dems to do this…and if it is not entirely true, it’s much closer to the truth than any Repub has uttered since Barry Goldwater.
perris @ 32
Careful perris, this ploy brought to you by Rahmen the Noodler.. jmho
Christy, IANAL and sometimes when you all get deep into the weeds, I must confess that I get that deer in the headlights look. But when I got to the part that “made [you] laugh out loud” I not only got it but I actually said out loud, to absolutely no one, “Oh, snap.”
Beautifully done.
sonate @ 36
It’s the “powerful forces”…they are afraid of the “powerful forces”
Twain @ 33
several rap songs feature the lyric “back it up”. maybe they’re being prescient about needing the trailor? :~)
perris @ 32
Who and what is Cheney? The world wonders.
I agree with Keith Olberman that if Cheney is a rogue nation then he should be invaded. But, any lengthy occupation of Cheney will probably end in a quagmire.
They occupy the Fourth Dimension.
Weak grounds indeed. You couldn’t make a decent cuppa coffee out of the grounds Team Libby is peddling.
Walton’s “It should be evident . . .” is a sign of both his patience with and his disdain for Wells & Co. Of course, missing what “should be evident” seems to be a job prerequisite for the Bush Administration. (see FEMA, Iraq, torture, etc.)
LS @ 42
keep up the investigations!
this is the dawning of the age of a query, yes.
::pssstt:: (whispers) If you mean what I think you mean, and not some esoteric legal term, I think it’s “denIgrate” rather than “denEgrate”.
Off to read the rest of this most excellent post!
punaise @ 44
SPEW!! 707
So, d’ya think 4th Branch AND ex-3rd Branch, will both move out of the WH??? Together?
Is there something about living in the Naval Observatory that makes you enter the fourth dimension? Or a black hole?
dakine01 @ 16
Two other corrections:
That the “Free Scooter” screeching crowd has so
denegrateddenigrated this difficult obligation because a prosecutor dared to seek conviction for a high-level government official who has now been found guilty by a jury of his peers for not one, not two — but four federal felonies for which he stands sentenced for perjury under oath, for false statements to federal investigators and for obstructing the investigation into the leaks — is disgusting enough. That they do so by attempting now to alsodenegratedenigrate the federal judge who oversaw the trial, in as even-handed a manner as I have seen a trial run, is dishonest on its face. And they ought to be ashamed of themselves.If they don’t want to be what they were elected, I mean appointed, to be anymore…wait, that’s it!!! They were never elected!!!! They are right!!! That is why they can claim that neither one of them is part of the Executive Branch. They never were! We’ve been had!!! D’oh……
President Gore, paging President Gore!!!!
IANAL, but I think Walton’s opinion is somewhat better than what one would see from a first year law student.
punaise @ 44
Let’s see how querulous those under investigation become after repeated queries:)
LS @ 50
LS – have you seen the Gore/Obama You Tube video from the Young Turks? It is a hoot and I’ll see if I can figure out how to do a link.
punaise @ 44
You do have an endless supply ! I enjoy them all :)
Frank33 @ 41
Not to mention you’ll have to break out the biological protection suits.
punaise @ 44
You’re one dementia off.
Perception Management of this fiasco has leaned heavily in favor of the bad guys. I agree – Democrats should publicly denounce Libby as a traitor. Libby was Cheney’s intended firewall and scapegoat. Libby should wear the tar and feathers regularly on cable news. The dems need to get on this pronto. Much of the public is buying the rethug spin and there is no need for them to be buying it. The Dems need only to tell the truth.
The Lewinsky Scandal still overshadows the Libby Scandal in the public eye and it shouldn’t. The Libby issue is important. The Lewinsky issue wasn’t.
Scarecrow @ 56
artistic lie, sensed.
hackworth @ 57
Who knows? With the DC Madam about to spill the beans, there may yet be a little Libby in there somewhere too.
Christy, how do we get you booked on the talking head shows to set all the morons straight? Seriously, if I see one more “poor Scooter” whinefest, my head’s gonna explode.
itwasntme @ 29
Libby should go to jail now because there’s only a snowball’s chance in h*** that he’ll win on appeal. His attorneys’ arguments are weak, contradicatory, and contrary to past decisions. And they’re making arguments now they should have made months ago, but didn’t. Time’s up.
TheOtherWA @ 60
Ditto!!
LS @ 50
Didja see the parody in NYT’s format a few months ago that said that Bush/Cheney were going to run again, cuz they weren’t elected the first time, so the two term rule didn’t apply? It was priceless. And scary.
TheOtherWA at 60 — The talk show folks aren’t interested in booking anyone who knows this side of the issues. Remember that Tim Russert is the “best forum” for Cheney? There is a reason or two why that is — and they sure as hell don’t want anyone talking about the whys of that, now do they?
It’s a cozy little symbiotic smarmfest they have going on there, and they aren’t about to risk it by giving the likes of me or Jane or Marcy or anyone else who closely followed the issues an opportunity to talk about it.
Helen @ 63
If they tried to pull that, I guarantee they would be arrested for fraud, extortion, RICO; you name it.
LS @ 65
Actually, that should probably happen now.
ThinkProgress: Cheney Bypassed Environmentally ‘Clueless’ Bush To Craft Administration’s Climate Change Agenda
Let us look at the opening paragraphs of the aforementioned ThinkProgress post:
If Mr. Cheney isn’t part of the Bush Administration’s executive branch, how is what is stated in the foregoing excerpt possible?
While I was happy to see the AFSCME audience shout down Tweety’s question about pardoning Scooter, telling him to ask “real questions,” I did not like seeing Hillary finesse it without answering.
This is an easy stand for each PrezCandi to take, and every one should: “Irve Libby’s a traitor, he deserves a prison cell for his felonies, why is a pardon even on the table?”
The Irvites act like they are winning American hearts and minds, I fear, by sheer repetition and number of media platforms provided. Not true, as Media Matters points out:
Time to hustle to the front of this parade and act like you’ve been there all along, 08s!!
Christy @64
Yeah, I know. But it’s still wrong.
Candidate will not make a statement about presidential pardoning, in case they ever want to pardon someone should they get elected, period.
Time to hustle to the front of this parade and act like you’ve been there all along, 08s!!
Great post, TSF! Thanks for the numbers, too.
coupla things before I go for a few hours;
resigned fisa judge tells it like it is…like we didn’t know why these guys resigned…now for something we can probably act on because the following is more improtant as a tool for us hen most people reaslize
cheney pretty much calls bush a moron
we can probably turn bush against cheney if we tried
Mutant Poodle @ 55
ewwww. Our all-volunteer army? Numbers might fall drastically if the newbies knew their assignment: OFAFC (Operation Free American From Cheney).
LS @ 35
and while they’re at it, can they disbar John Yoo, too?
Bob in HI
LS @ 28
LS – Cujo359’s got it. Libby did challenge Fitzgerald’s appointment a year ago, and Judge Walton had already denied that motion to dismiss in April, 2006, with a lengthy, careful, comprehensive Opinion (one of many Judge Walton wrote in this case, as Christy points out).
Libby is now reduced to trying to argue, in part, that the length of that Opinion somehow demonstrates that the issue was a “close” one, entitling him to stay out of jail pending resolution of his appeal. I’m very glad Judge Walton directly confronted that argument (as did the government to a lesser extent), if for no other reason than because of the perverse incentive that such a rationalization could provide to other judges to condense and reduce their written opinions simply in order to avoid such an accusation when appeals roll around…
I agree that Judge Walton and his clerks went above and beyond the call of duty throughout. Walton’s final Opinion that Christy summarizes so well above is a work of art that someone (or someones) poured their all into.
The late-raised CIPA affidavit issue that Robbins is trying to cobble together as support for Libby’s Appointments Clause challenge, has now been very effectively countered, and been made to seem misleading and disingenuous, if not desperate, by the double-barrelled effect of Walton’s denial of bond Opinion (in which he took the opportunity to fully address issues raised at the last minute by the defense, which hadn’t been previously raised or addressed) and the government’s response yesterday (emptywheel procured the response and put it on-line for everyone over at TNH). Overall, that deflating effect provides the defense a good reminder of the wisdom of giving things a thorough briefing and hearing in district court, before throwing them at the Appeals Court mostly untested, as they did in the case of the CIPA affidavit issue…
P.S. Teddy @ 19 – The same SuperFriends moved the Circuit Court for leave to file an amici brief; so yes, the same (district court) set of Illuminati (Bork, et al) were promptly told to ‘bug off’ by the three-judge Appeals panel.
hackworth @ 71
I’m way past expecting political courage from presidential contenders, but when two-thirds of the country favors something, it’s baffling to hear *crickets* from our team.
Frank33 @ 41
gagmire
What if clear-thinking Americans took the compassionate, higher road and — whenever Cheney’s name were mentioned — would shake their heads plaintifully and say, “Tsk, tsk — a real shame. Good thing our country’s mental-health facilities are available.”
Why not promote the fact that the poor man is clearly suffering from psychological issues and needs immediate attention? We all thought it was his heart ailment or his leg issue (or drinking while shooting condition) that would go first. Instead, it’s his mind — clearly his mind.
Let’s all practice taking deep breaths, slowly shaking our heads and uttering lines like “Poor Dick. Poor, poor Dick.”
TSF – If Tweety had half a hard ball in him, he would have said to the audience, ok then, Senator how about a quick yes or no?
A.Citizen @ 8
Put him in prison first until he squeals on Darth [edited; no violence advocacy, period] . Just think what an example this will send to the entire world about our commitment to fight Terroism even a Vice President is not immune.
pow wow — thanks!
poor Illuminati, no one wants to be their friend!
Mutant Poodle @ 55
The image of an invasive quagmire of Cheneyland offers a very disturbing visual…
I keep wondering HOW they communicate? How do so many people decide that nonsense about the VP not being a member of the Executive branch just might make sense? How do so many people decide that a convicted felon ought to be pardoned by POTUS, or just not even given a real sentence? These are not ideas that would even come into my head, and yet my “fellow citizens”, some fraction of them, arrive at these ideas all at the same time.
(tinfoil)Should we be scanning for implants? I mean, think about it: you can’t reach these conclusions by rational thinking; you can’t reach them by acting in your own self-interest; you can’t reach them by appealing to divine right. (/tinfoil)
Would someone point me to something that could help me understand how the right-wing apologists and noise function, think, feel, communicate? (I know I’m going to be revolted reading it, though.)
TeddySanFran @ 81
Wow, Pow Wow, that really helps. Thank goodness you all can clarify this for us. Thanks!!
OK, I’m as serious with the “Poor Dick” tagline as I remain with “Bushie-gate” for the name of all we’re enduring as a nation (well, all except the Paris Hilton nonsense).
I may have a t-shirt made w/ a likeness of Cheney (no exaggerated cartooning necessary; any snarling, undoctored photo will do) and the words “Poor Dick. Poor, misguided Dick.”
Bumpersticker to follow.
If the shoe were on the other foot, the Republicans would already have the merchandise at every mall kiosk.
behindthefall @ 84
Rush Limbaugh, and his ilk.
Great post, Christy. Does Walton write these memo opinions himself or does his clerk do most of the writing based on Reggie’s input? Someone, at any rate, has a well-developed sense of snark.
According to this, the VP is part of the Executive Branch of government:
http://bensguide.gpo.gov/files/gov_chart.pdf
TeddySanFran @ 68
69% Believe Libby should not get a pardon that is preety much EVERYONE who thinks the war is a bad idea. The 21% suggests that Libby can’t even get get all the Bushies on board. Could this new polling be a sign of just how low Bush’s numbers can drop if he pardons Scooter? The right’s attempt to maufacture political support for Libby is backfiring as more and more people learn about this case the worst it gets for Scooter. I love it keep talking you right wing MSM talking heads keep this issue in the public’s eye longer. I wonder how low Scooter can go. I think its safe to say that Scooter is the canary in the coal mine about how low Bush’s numbers can go. I’m hopeing for mid teens myself.
perris-fyi-your links at 72 are screwed up—moron leads to fisa link, and fisa link goes nowhere…….
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 49
I am beginning to suspect that our mentor and leader, aka Christy, inserts these small typos on purpose as a test to see how carefully we read/study her outstanding posts.
spurious @ 87
No, I understand WHO some of the noise-people are, but I realize I just do not understand what mechanism is at work that keeps them holding on to non-rational, non-humanist positions. And then, Heaven help us, coming up with new ones, and apparently all at the same time!
It’s the scientist talking, I know, but although I always thought that I was pretty good at figuring out what somebody was thinking when they said something, even historically, these people I just do. not. get.
Christy,
How common is it for a judge (as opposed to the prosecution or the defense) to file a memo like this? I was sort of surprised that Walton bothered to file something like this at all.
new thread
Jane’s upstairs.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 64
The one news network that doesn’t have a big Sunday morning show is MSNBC. I wonder what it would take to get Dan Abrams to set Keith Olbermann up with an hourlong talkfest where he would bring in the best of the blogosphere for a given issue, and have at it.
Not a shoutfest of net-talkers, but pick the issue du jour and find the netizens with the passion to have followed the story, the chops to know what they’re doing when they follow it, and the ability to talk about it coherently in public.
Oh, and one more rule for this show: no one who lives around DC is allowed to appear. Call it “Beyond the Beltway.”
behindthefall @ 93
Mass talking point selectively emailed via RNC?
good idea, Peterr.
Peterr @ 97
If your rule were implemented, that would block Jane from appearing when she moves to DC area…
behindthefall @ 93
I really think some of these people are in Rove’s employ. Armstrong Williams, a disgustingly mindless right-wing shill who used to be a commentator on America’s Black Forum, was eventually revealed to have been paid big bucks to tout the No Child Left Behind program:
I suspect that he was just the one who got caught.
If you’re talking psychology, I haven’t a clue, though Williams for one did not seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. On ABF, the contrast between him and the other commentators (e.g., Julian Bond) was painful.
Peterr @ 97
Love it! Or alternatively, invite politicians to get their Sunday face time, but have a panel made up of bloggers.
itwasntme @ 29
LS @ 66
Yes, and who is going to do it, then or now?
They still control the board, and might still believe they always will. And they might be right. Noise isn’t power.
behindthefall @ 93
They’re not rational. They’re not humanist. They think they are personally (viscerally) threatened by that big, bad world out there. They think their greatest protection is in numbers, and noise. They have faith in The Rove to give them direction and talking points to keep the big, bad world at bay. Without The Rove (or someone like him) they would degenerate into an ugly mob, screaching paranoid accusations here, there and at each other. The Rove keeps them unified. The Rove makes everything better. All Hail The Rove. All Hail The Rove. All Hail The Rove.
The saddest (or funniest, depending on your viewpoint) is Mary Matalin’s very emotional plea for leniency for Scooter. She actually brings her kids into it — and his. Something to the effect of “His poor kids! What WILL they do without their daddy???”
First of all, I highly doubt Scooter spent much time with his children. A few months ago, we heard that he spent 15 hours a day, toiling for Dick Cheney. Well, which is it? The doting dad who coaches his son’s baseball team? Or Cheney’s No. 1 man?
Secondly, Matalin cries “What about his KIDS? MY kids are their FRIENDS! My kids are CRYING over this!” Well, how much sorrow do you have for the children of rapists, murderers, etc.? Oh! You say Scooter is not a rapist or murderer? I say BS. How many people died as a result of his outting of Valerie Plame, the world over? In addition to the dead, what of their children? As for rape, I would guess that anyone who writes a book about women having sex with farm animals is a tad suspicious.
Shell @ 105
And what about the kids of those serving, and dying, in Iraq? Libby is not an innocent bystander, he is a card-carrying neocon. His children will have to take their knocks, the same as the children of any other criminal.
What seens to be at stake here is whether the appeals court will take GW Clusterfuck off the hook- or whether he will have to make the decision as to whether to pardon or offer clemency to Libby..
Looks like he may still have to decide.
Ultra-EPU, here, but I had to go water the flowers and I just came in.
Thanks for people’s responses and ideas.
‘threatened’: maybe that’s it. 1/25 of the people walking around have never experienced sex, I hear. Whoodathunkit. Maybe 1/4 of the people are terrified that they won’t make it through life, that their little bit is so hard to get and so hard to hold on to, that somebody else (probably belonging to a group which is different from theirs and which doesn’t, therefore, understand their problems).
How are they going to pay the bills if they get sick? How are they going to keep a roof over their family’s heads?
People in that condition would be easily led, witness Germany between the wars.
What is interesting is that this suggests that universal health insurance, the assurance of an income you can live on, a plentitude of good jobs would ease people’s fears AND MAKE THEM LESS SUSCEPTIBLE TO DEMAGOGUERY!
(Darn. I think that that’s important.) No wonder the right thinks that socialism is so dangerous: implement programs that reduce fear in the populace and your mob crumbles.
Thank you Christy.
Wonderful to have this analysis available.
christy –
i don’t know how, but ive somehow missed hearing the expression “traitorgate” before. its an appropriate word.
there are over 40 people who depend on me to read blogs & other alternative news sources daily & then send out emails w/ the facts i learn that they can’t find in the msm. from now on, i’m going to refer to this story as traitorgate in those emails, rather then refer to it as the libby trial, or the outing of valerie plame.
maybe the word will catch on. if it did, it would certainly make it more difficult for others to misidentify him as a patriot, or a hero.
sam sedar has you listed as part of the panel for his show tomorrow. i look forward to hearing that.
thanks for all the time spent reviewing, analyzing & writing about traitorgate. your work has travelled far & wide.
best ~
Adie @ 109
That goes for me too Christy. Just got back from Ft. Lauderdale and this post was a welcome surprise. I spent the night at a republican’s house and we argued the Libby case to no avail. He has it in his head that Valerie was not a covert officer and that this was a pure political case and Libby should never have been tried. I tried to explain it to him until 4:30 this morning and got nowhere. He stormed into his room telling me that all I have to do is watch the news and I would see that I had my facts all wrong and I shouldn’t believe what I read on blogs. It was an amazing night and I surely know he will not be doing any googling to see if he was the one who has the facts wrong. I believe that the Comstocks in the world are doing a dis-service to their voting blok and it will come back to bite them in the ass. But until we have a press who once again cherish the values of journalism, people like my republican friend remain blinded by the right. The last thing he said when he stormed out of the room was “Everything is not a conspiracy”. I could not get through to him. Nothing I could ever say to him would make him not vote republican. What a depressing night and I know that it ended our 15 year friendship. In his heart, he deeply believes that I am a wild-eyed lefty who thrives on conspiracies. We will never, ever gather votes away from this block.
Good one Christy. I’ll go back and read the opinion. One thing that always got me about the CIPA argument and Walton picked up on this was that ya really can’t make an argument that the appointment was unconstitutional based upon Fitz’s subsequent conduct re: CIPA. Fitz didn’t appoint himself, so his conduct is really irrelevant.
But as long as we’re getting things off our chests, I just get soooo pissed to hear the usual suspects attacking Fitz’s integrity and his judgment and characterizing him as an “out of control” prosecutor who “had to indict somebody.” Look, in my view, Fitz showed great restraint and discretion.He could have dragged Cheney’s fat ass in front of the GJ but chose not to do so. And if he was so out of control and just looking to indict a big fish, he’d have gone ahead and indicted Rove. I knew nothing about Fitz before this (even though we went to the same school)but when he was appointed the unanimous book on him was that he was an apolitical, straightshooter (who keeps socks in his desk. How these knuckleheads like Cohen, Hitchens, Carlson, etc. can say the things they’re saying is beyond me. What’s worse is people are picking up on this smear job. And now it’s Walton. Hitchens (he really got me pissed if ya can’t tell) says he’s “playing politics.” What the hell is that supposed to mean? He’s got life tenure. He doesn’t have to play politics.
Grrrrrrrr.
One more thing. You’re dead on about defense counsel’s use of a pr team and how scummy that is. But when so many members of that pr machine are attorneys themselves who MUST know better, it’s sad.
Fingers crossed. Any panel with Sentile is cause for concern. Fingers crossed. Keep up the great work – you and everyone else at FDL.
ccmask:
i hear that all the time – this is “political”. What the hell does that mean, ya know? Fitz isn’t political and it was the bush doj that appointed him. how is it political? did your friend in FL say?
behindthefall @ 84
Thank you for putting into words my feelings/wonderment so exactly! Whew.
In my efforts to comprehend the mindset of these people, my brain just can’t even begin to make out the shape of their psychi, or, lack there of.
Sometimes I swear I’m burning calories over this.
Peterr @ 97
Not teevee, but still…
There is a radio version of this you can listen to, although it’s only a segment of the full show. Christy has been a guest in the past and will be on tomorrow:
The Sam Seder Show
Yay! Christy!
Thanks for your extremely very well written analysis Christy, and the consistently excellent analyses of these briefs and the circumstances surrounding them.
Judge Walton’s and his clerk’s memorandum opinion and Team Fitz’s reply brief filed 6/22 would make it impossible for any fair panel to give Libby an appeal bond or any actual relief in the main appeal to follow.
Fitz and his Special Counsel team unmasked Team Robbins’ specious and off-point arguments.
Educated Plaintiff @ 110
Oops, had skipped ahead to make comments and didn’t see that you had already mentioned Sam’s show. :-}
I really enjoy listening to him, though I do miss his daily show. (shaking head)
behindthefall @ 84
The phenomenon being inquired about was illuminated in a film some time ago, an icon of its genra, re: PodPeople. Understand PodPeople, understand TehBase. ;-/
Christy
How will this legal process effect the future prosecution of Cheney, Bush and Rove? Could this be lawyering up for that show down?