FDL Late Late Nite: Fierce WomenBy: Pachacutec Saturday June 23, 2007 10:12 pm |
I like Shakira much better in Spanish than in English, but then, that goes for most of the latin artists who try to cross over, at least, for me.Speaking of fierce women, I just want, gratuitously, to revisit Digby:
Digby’s lips don’t lie.
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fitz!
and digby!
Zed?
Zed
Zed!
Darn it!
missed the zed.
but I brought cake!
Non-Zed!
Oh, Drat. Missed by seconds!
Watching Mondale on CSPAN 1, talking about Cheney’s Vice Presidency.
Bob
TSF, did you let downstairs know? I think they are eating birthday cake still.
Great clips Pach. Thank you.
Digby for Sec’y of State!
(or just about any other office she wants)
Hi, TexB! Thanks for bringing the cake! What are we celebrating tonight?
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 12
TiredFed was having a birthday before midnight.
Hmmm-Hmmm, can’t get enough of Digby! I really dig Her!!! 8-)
OK sports fans,
Am totally confused. I can get an “almost” zed here but now have two comments “lost” in the previous thread ( with no “bad” words).
Help!
save some cake for Tuesday, ’cause then it’ll be my birthday ;-)
LoudounLib @ 16
I have a whole new cake just waiting for Tuesday!
Women who run with Wolves.
LoudounLib @ 16
Let me be the First to wish you a Happy Pre-Birthday!!!
Jane (nyc) @ 15
I checked the filter and they are not there. Sometimes there is a hiccup when a new post posts and the refresh comments wheel sticks, spinning circles. The comment posts in the thread but the wheel gets confused about which post to refresh comments for (in my humble opinion – certainly am not on the tech crew).
Are you sure they did not post downstairs?
argh, I just lost a comment I tried to post —
thank you CT and TexB :-)
FDL has made a huge difference in my life. I feel included and heard. I have became well informed. I meet great people. I have become motivated to become an activist. I joined Peace in the Precincts and became a member of Itsourhealthcare.org. Tomorrow I am going on a speaking tour with The California Labor Federation. I will be telling my health care story in San Diego, LA, Bakersfield, Fresno, SF and Sac. And I am not even afraid. Ha! As a matter of a fact I am looking forward to it. Thanks everyone for my new purpose. I am a fierce woman.
Mary, that is awesome. Go girl!
Mary McCurnin @ 22
Good for you!!! I am impressed and you are an inspiration!
Suzanne @ 20
I saw the posts, but they came through truncated. I think Jane(nyc) is having trouble with the blockquotes. She might want to not use the “quote this comment” link and instead refer to the poster and post number on the first line, like “Pach @47″. JM2C, YMMV, etc.
LoudounLib @ 21
Lost on your end or this end? Nothing in the filters (just checked em)
Mary McCurnin @ 22
Best comment I’ve read all week!
Grats, Mary.
My end, Suz — had the spinning wheel for several seconds, then I rashly hit F5 and poof — my comment was gone
Mary McCurnin @ 22
The 20th century led off with women EXACTLY like you. They told their stories to the people directly because the MSM of their time (papers and magazines) would not. They became known as the Progressives, and eventually took over the Democratic Party. Now it is time for history to repeat itself. You go, girl!
Suzanne @ 20
Thanks for the response Suzanne.
Yep. There were supposed to be two posts after #258. One was a particularly important one about JRE’s book, Four Trials. My computer responded as if they had posted.
I don’t see them.
Mary McCurnin @ 22
We love you Fierce Woman.
LS @ 18
Personally, I prefer women who are wolves. Strength is an admirable trait regardless of gender.
Folks, its getting bad out there. I think Chimpy has just tossed cheney under the bus.
WOW!
Mary McCurnin @ 22
BRAVA!!! Standing ovation for you, so proud of you!! Thanks for taking that next step in activism; isn’t amazing what happens after you do?
Thanks everyone. Now I have to go back my suitcase. See you all next Friday!!!!
CTuttle @ 19
Can I be the second?
“Who is this Wild Woman? If you’re thinking this is a book about how to be wild and crazy, you would be a little bit right, but mostly wrong. The Wild Woman is not wild in the sense of being crazy, angry or out-of-control, she is wild because she has not lost her connection to life, death and rebirth–or, to put it more simply, nature.
“A healthy woman is much like a wolf: robust, chock-full, strong life force, life-giving, territorially aware, inventive, loyal, roving. Yet separation from the wildish nature causes a woman’s personality to become meager, thin, ghosty, spectral. We are not meant to be puny with frail hair and inability to leap up, inability to give chase, to birth, to create a life. When women’s lives are in stasis, ennui, it is always time for the wildish woman to emerge; it is time for the creating function of the psyche to flood the delta…It means to establish territory, to find one’s pack, to be in one’s body with certainty and pride regardless of the body’s gifts and limitations, to speak and act in one’s behalf, to be aware, alert, to draw on the innate feminine powers of intuition and sensing, to come into one’s cycles, to find what one belongs to, to rise with dignity, to retain as much consciousness as we can.”
http://homestar.org/bryannan/estes.html
Hey Alfred, I left you something in EPU last thread. Thanks!
LoudounLib @ 11
Digby!
See for example her column today, “Court Defectors,” near the end:
Bob in HI
Mary McCurnin @ 22
As I said a moment ago, strength is an admirable trait in anyone. It would seem you are working on Superwoman.
Thanks for the response Suzanne.
Yep. There were supposed to be two posts after #258. One was a particularly important one about JRE’s book, Four Trials. My computer responded as if they had posted.
I don’t see them.
I checked and they are not there either, Jane. I’m not sure what happened to them because I’m not showing anything by you after #258.
I feel like I am finally realizing my own fierceness as I approach the age of 47 — maybe not so much as Mary has (and may I say again how much I admire you for what you’re doing!) — but more in a work sense, where it’s taken me a long time to feel like I’ve come into my own and am able to act as a leader and mentor. It feels damn good.
DrDick @ 36
Yes, you may :-)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Holy wee, wee.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Interestingly, in all my years as a Comsec Custodian, I’ve never encountered the ‘Treated As’ stamp, they either were or they weren’t!!! Duh!!! ;-)
Mary McCurnin @ 35
Take care! Bush just tossed Cheney under the bus. It may get ugly out there…
LS @ 44
Sounds like we have some kind of palace coup going on here. Maybe Condi and her allies have finally seized the boy emperor and are set to depose the evil regent.
Correction – Rove tossed Cheeney under the bus. Boosh is just a hood ornament.
I expect Cheeney will strike back – going to be interesting who he strikes back at.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Where do you see that?
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 48
I love it when the piranhas start devouring each other.
The WaaPoo is the weapon of choice in the current piranha fight.
Rayne @ 38
EPU’d:
Hey, what’s your take on Fred Thompson? He looks like he’s the appointed one to take the hand-off, but is he Bush’s boy or Cheney’s tool?
I wonder whether this isn’t part of the story that’s brewing, clearing the deck in 2007 for the 2008 race to be shet of DeadEye’s baggage — maybe with DeadEye’s help.
Or is this an op on DeadEye by the intel community?
No this is much worse. This seems to be Bush himself ordering a hit on cheney. And it fits. Cheney has been undercutting Bush at every turn for the last three months. He tried to foul up the korea talks, twice. he tried to start a war between israel and syria with his BFF Netanyahu against Bush’s direct orders. He tried to start a war with Iran even after bush told him to shut up. and he leaked a super secret sit down to finish the details to shut gitmo and move the prisoners overseas to black sites and have done.
Bush has apparently had enough. This is NOT good. We have a spoiled brat with control over the overt heirarchy of the world’s most powerful nation going against a lunatic who may actually have more power over parts of it in the short term. In the two highest offices in the land. Oh Ghod.
This is starting to remind me of pre-shogunate Japanese kabuki politics, with the emperor as a powerless figurehead in the middle of the warring factions.
Suzanne @ 48
Gotta be KKKRove, the Antagonist!
sits back down in the corner — that took a lot for me to say what I said at my 42!
LoudounLib @ 42
I like to think of it as coming into my own, too. Nicely said, LL.
Bob Schacht @ 49
Think Progress. It is important to understand this in context. WaPoo is a bush mouthpiece, plain and simple. for it to put out a hit job like this on cheney could only happen if bush okayed it. and make no mistake, this is a signal the the beltway community like hasn’t happened since watergate. By doing this, bush has signalled to the beltway fraternity three things: 1) no pardon for libby. he lied and got caught and cheney is to blame. suck it up. 2) if cheney gets flipped by libby or anyone or anything else, bush will demand his resignation immediately, or order him declared unfit for office due to his bad heart. 3) Bush will protect Rove and Gonzo with his own cojones.
I have a minor in chinese history. this is ming dynasty palace eunuch politics, 21st century version. Holy Molies!
LoudounLib @ 55
Yes, but doesn’t it feel good? We all need to own our fierceness and channel our rage and energy in positive and constructive ways. As Gandhi pointed out, no one is ever totally powerless and we cannot be complicit in our own subordination.
DrDick @ 53
That too, tho japan was never deep study for me. This to me reads as late Ming dynasty, the wars of the eunuchs.
(wipes forehead) thank you Suz :-)
DrD, love that — thank you!
Mary McCurnin @ 22
MARY!
Suzanne @ 48
The thing about Dick is that as a Wyoming kind of guy, he’s not exactly familiar with large crowds. The population of the entire state is 515,000, or about the size of Tucson AZ.
Cheney is comfortable working the inside. He likes his “undisclosed location” and he loves his Addington/Libby insider access to the Oval Office. If he had his druthers, he’d just as soon pressure Dubya from his office, and watch Bush take the heat.
With Libby’s conviction and the meltdown at DOJ, however, Cheney’s having to step up a little more directly. Gonzo’s getting lonely over there at DOJ, with everyone else’s resignations, and Cheney doesn’t have the backchannels he used to.
That doesn’t mean he’s without power — far from it. It just means he’s more likely to have to sign his name to his hits than he did in the past.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 59
Same basic principal. I am a political anthropologist so have a little background in various contexts.
LoudounLib @ 55
You go, girl! Time to come into your own!
What you wrote @42 was prime stuff. Don’t be afraid to own it. Print it out, frame it, make a copy to carry around in your purse!
Bob in HI
DrDick @ 64
Now THAT’s a new discipline on me! What periods do you specialize in?
Bob Schacht @ 65
seconded. primo stuff.
BTW, my “unsettled condition” has just settled. Hmmmm.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 68
It hasn’t worked its way to the left coast yet – i still have flutterby’s in my tummy.
Bob and AK, thank you :-)
Mary McCurnin @ 22
My goodness. It looks like we’re having a coming out party tonight– For Mary @22, and for LoudounLib @42! Who’s next?
Congratulations to Mary, too!
More cake!
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 69
That’s why I said Hmmmm. My PERSONAL flutterby’s are indeed gone. The external ones are moving their wings faster than ever….
Oy, it’s late…I have one more day off on Sunday and I want to make the most of it.
FDL rawks, and so do you all!
Good night…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 66
Actually what that means is that I am a cultural anthropologist who is primarily interested in comparative political systems (specifically I am interested in the evolution of inequality). My research focus is on chiefdoms (a particular type of political formation similar to states, but less stratified and centralized) and in the Indians of the Southeastern US (mostly in the 16th-19th centuries). The Japanese and Chinese systems are of interest to me in terms of the bases for political legitimacy (some similarities to the groups I work with).
LoudounLib @ 73
sleep well. we’ll stand guard here for a while…
Sleep well, LL. Happy Pre pre pre birthday day.
Night LL. Sleep powerfully.
LoudounLib @ 73
Good night. Unfortunately I have massive amounts of paperwork for my job tomorrow. Along with a sewing project and some editing. But I’ll hang out here another few minutes and deal with tomorrow tomorrow.
AK I have no doubt about that — you are ever vigilant!
I hear that, Tex. I still have vacuuming and dusting and such to do before The open house tomorrow.
Suz, thank you! Had an early b’day prezzie tonight (or, last night?) when I got taken out to dinner by my bro and sister in law — it was great!
DrDick @ 74
how very fascinating. My dear wife worked for decades on research for an alternate-time book cycle based on the idea that the native american tribes were not defeated and humiliated and destroyed by the europeans by changing, enhancing, or trivializing various known historical factors. The take home message from the books was that if we had been forced to deal with the native tribes as equals, thing would have been both very different, and amazingly the same here in North America. She would have LOVED to read your research, i’m quite sure. (one of her friends wss a family-saga novelist and she had promised to consider writing the series once Laura had done the research.)
DrD, thanks — and as you say, I will sleep the sleep of the just!
LoudounLib @ 79
damn straight. Glad you noticed. Let’s not spoil other people’s fun tho, i’m really just a blabbly old man, harmless, really. trust me. would I lie?
oh gosh, I think I just signed on for another few minutes or so…very pumped up at the moment ;-)
LoudounLib @ 85
Well deserved pride and euphoria I imagine.
LoudounLib @ 85
I know the feeling. I was thinking about getting up early and fishing, but the discussions tonight have just been way too good to go to bed. (Hats off to Pach for two great posts).
Ooowww! Get your groove on, new shiny shoes on…
Wish Upon a Dog Star – Satellite Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5DIN5v3JvM
TexB @78, I had another comment swallowed up when I tried to reply to you — just saying, don’t work yourself too hard, and get you some rest.
TexB @ 78
evening, TexB. Forgive me for not saying hello before. Got caught up in the conversations. How are you doing?
That reminds me. Suzanne, could you send Jane and the techs a message about the Facebook features they want. Simple message, namely the Facebook Application Programming Interface (API). It exists and is designed to do EXACTLY what jane wants. I don’t use it but I know the basics and if the techs wanted a little help I could give them some pointers, free of charge except for the keys to the bar beside the tiki lamps, that is…:)
DrDick @ 47
Some time ago I wrote that it was important to start thinking about the Endgame. Not about the war, but about this presidency!
To put the above speculations into a bit more context, I think there is a new alliance in the WH focused with those around Bush without Cheney: Rove, Gonzales, and maybe Condi. Here’s what I think they have decided: Just as was the case with the USAttys that they wanted to replace because they thought they could do better with others, so now they have decided that Cheney has become a liability, or at least that they can “do better” with someone else as VEEP. Who? My guess is Rice. Why Rice?
Remember, this is Plamegate Chess we’re doing. Who the VEEP is becomes very important if they think that there’s a very real possibility that things could boomerang on Bush quickly, forcing his departure a la Nixon, with or without impeachment. Also, they want to avoid a double impeachment, where Cheney & Bush are impeached simultaneously after being exposed for conspiracy to commit fraud or some such, because that would make Pelosi the president. If they could move Cheney out, and Condi in, that would ensure “continuity” of the current Gang of
FourFive, i.e. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzales, and Rice. They are plotting to secure the succession.Bob in HI
LoudounLib @ 42
A heroin of mine once said that when women turn 40, they learn to say no. When they turn 50, they learn to say hell, no. True in my experience!
I am doing well Kristine. Between medical treatments. Working hard and often. Also exercising often. And spending time here at the lake. How are you?
Bob Schacht @ 92
Bob, I bow three times to you. I think you just nailed it. You are the man. It fits like the proverbial ….you know what! Just one little problem. The dems will have to okay condi as veep, and she blew off her subpoenas. Bad move there. But as a plan it may be exactly what is wanted. wow.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 91
AK, send it to Jane directly at firedoglake AT gmail DOT com.
Loo Hoo please say that was a HEROINE and not a HEROIN ????
Alfred (52) — thanks for that perspective.
Still wonder about Fred, though. I am also wondering, what with the stakes higher than ever, whether we are dealing with people who will burn it all down rather than let the other have anything on them. Will Cheney burn down the entire RNC, throwing Gonzo into the grinder along with Rove to get to Bush? If Cheney has been the force behind the NSA domestic spying, you can bet he has ALL the dirt.
Or will Bush sic his attack dogs on Cheney, now that he’s in the basement and has little to lose? Will he out Cheney on the domestic spying and also burn down the party at the same time…since the spying likely includes opposition research material in Nixonian fashion? And if he throws Cheney out, who would he bring on board that wouldn’t stab Bush in the back, would prop up the party, but not be a threat to the 2008 election candidates?
It’s a mess. I still wonder if this is the work of another source, whether WaPo bought on thinking it was White House driven. Has WaPo been burned too often as so many other corporations have been by this administation’s inability to govern, so that they gave in and actually ran real reporting encouraged by another party? (I still think intel — the countervailing underground effort to the Rendon-Lincoln-SyColeman groups…)
Loo Hoo, that nails it for me: I am finally able to say hell no with little or no remorse.
now if I could just get past the “little remorse” part…
Suzanne @ 96
Ah. wasn’t sure she had a public email address. she should know the name and email, tho. okay. in the morning. I’m still in awe of Bob in HI. he just beat me at my own game, without even breaking into a sweat. I love it.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
Actually, one of the more hopeful signs I have seen over the years is a growing assertiveness and independence in many young women (as a professor I see many over the course of the year). They are far more in control of their lives than most women of my generation at that age. It is still not all of them and there is still a ways to go, but it is none-the-less a major step forward.
Bob Schacht @ 49
This is not! about Bush putting Cheney under the bus at all.
TexB @ 97
My thought exactly. We might otherwise need an intervention.
Rayne @98:
See Bob in HI at @92. He’s nailed it, I think. I remain in delighted awe.
Loo Hoo. @ 102
why do you say that?
AK, that is the public one – via the contact us link at the top of the page.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
I hope you meant Heroine! Damn, I need to stay married past my Fifties?! Can’t have a Mid-Life Crisis then, huh? I have a few years to spare, tho… ;-)
Suzanne @ 106
oh, ok. cool.
DrDick @ 103
There are interventions for typo’s? Dayam, I thought typos were a sign that I was getting tired.
Is it really possible that chimpy will finally force dead eye dick to spend more time with his family?
Ok y’all, it’s good night for realsies (as AK sometimes says)
You all are the best!
LoudounLib @ 111
Nite, Ma’am!!!
Bob Schacht @ 92
Ah. I wish I could have caught this before I finished my last comment. This makes sense.
They want President Condi, because Condi will extend a pardon and the public will buy it, just like they bought it from Ford about Nixon.
And President Condi by default will take the wind out of the sails of the first woman president or the first African-American president elected.
Plus Condi has repeatedly said she has no aspirations to run for office, so she’s no threat to the field of candidates that might otherwise get extremely defensive about her prospects.
But now the question is whether this is Team Bush doing it, or a mutual effort between Bush and Cheney as they sense their impending world of hurt, or is this how Colin Powell gets his revenge?
Night again, LL.
DrDick @ 74
Ha! As a Michigan Anthropology grad in the early 70s, we were interested in the same questions from an archaeological point of view. My major prof. was Henry Wright, and we were interested in early state formation in the Middle East. So I learned how to read some Sumerian and Old Babylonian and was interested in the earliest historical states, while my colleague Greg Johnson did the same for the preceding Millenia. Frank Hole organized a SAR symposium that published via the Smithsonian a summary of our work. So I was reading Wittfogel and Lattimore and all that stuff at the time. Sounds like you took an interesting route that may be parallel in some respects.
Glad you were able to make a living at it. I only managed to for about 20 years before I was kicked to the curb and switched professions. So I guess that means you’re more qualified than I am {g}.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 109
I read a web comic once where a main character with OCD was visiting her therapist. The therapist said, in one panel, “There are three things a therapist will never tell you. 1) “I think that heroin is doing you a lot of good.” 2) Yes, go have lots of meaningless sex, it’ll boost your self esteem. 3) Wow! No WONDER your mother didn’t love you!”
Laughed so hard I hurt…
LoudounLib @ 111
Night LoudonLib!
Suzanne @ 80
Hey, Suz. Good luck tomorrow. Sad to sell a home you love, but when it’s time, it’s time. Best luck, girlfriend.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 116
707!!!
TexB @ 94
Doing well, thanks. Mostly lurking lately, since I seem to get here late, especially during the week.
Mostly busy planning a big Harry Potter pre-release party for the 20th of July (I work in a bookstore btw.) As the resident HP fan, I’ve been put in charge of the trivia contests (one for “young wizards and witches” and one for older kids (teen and young adult.)
Loo Hoo. @ 118
Toes and Fingers crossed, Ma’am!!!
CTuttle @ 119
webcomicwhoring….
http://questionablecontent.net/
Bob Schacht @ 115
I think I probably read that Smithsonian volume. Yes I am making a living at it at present, but it has been rather precarious at times in the past. Also I have only been doing it for twenty years myself, so I may yet join you at the curb.
kristine @ 120
I have it on pre-order, but my son leaves the 23rd to see grandparents so I think he gets to read it first and then we all fight over it when he leaves.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 91
Alfred, you amaze me. How do you have the time to do EVERYTHING?
Bob Schacht @ 115
so what is your second profession? And was it “kicked to the curb” as in early retirement with benefits or “kicked to the curb” as in “shown the door”? Nosy lake denizens want to know!
Suzanne @ 80
Best of luck, Suzanne, hope you get a big bite soon. Our house was listed for 5 weeks, just got an offer last weekend that we accepted on counteroffer. Insanely lucky since this market is horribly depressed. I bestow my luck on you if you still need it after our buyer signs off next weekend and takes possession. But I hope your open house this weekend is the ticket.
Late again. Happy birthday (eventually) LoudonLib.
Loo Hoo. @ 125
I think this is why he worked Section 9. ^_~
Loo Hoo. @ 125
I cheat. Isn’t that what everyone else does? Seriously, I have a gift for this stuff. that’s how I made my living, starting out on printer terminals where you typed the code and then ran it and the computer “interacted” with you by typing back on the same printer terminal. I felt like I’d died and gone to heaven when I got my first Vax workstation…..sigh.
Good luck with the open house tomorrow, Suzanne!
G’nite, pups — see you tomorrow. Happy Pride!
Bob Schacht @ 92
OMG, Bob, and the heart surgery this summer…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 130
I remember that. I started using computers right before the transition from keypunch to Vax terminals.
aliasofwestgate @ 129
Hush, alias. Motoko is in a bad enough mood today already. No spilling company secrets, and besides, Boosh probably has a BackHack on FDL right now. (Of course, Ishkawa has rerouted his data stream to the HOT REGENT GRADS GONE WILD site, so it’s really not a problem I guess…
Night TSF. Do yourself proud this week.
TeddySanFran @ 131
Sleep well Teddy
TeddySanFran @ 131
Night, TSF. Pride Without Predjudice!
TeddySanFran @ 131
Nite, Teddy!!!
Thanks, all for the best wishes. Spiderpaws told me when I listed at the end of February that it would not sell until July – something about listing during Mercury in retro means it doesn’t get finished until Mercury is back at that same point in retro (i think)
I was feeling very good until I got creeped out last night. Still trying to think positively and visualize a “sold” sign on the for sale sign out front.
Bedtime for Betsy. Time to get out of the lake and into the bed. Night all!
Night Betsy. Sleep well.
Suzanne @ 139
I think we will all help with that visualization.
Suzanne @ 51
Might be. Anyway, it’s interesting that we’re reading this now. Makes you wonder where these folks have been. Is Dan Quayle an ally of Rove’s?
Suzanne @ 139
why were you creeped out? And SP is a gifted person, of great strength, I realized that last night.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 130
Oh, you so did not type that out loud, did you, that you thought VAX was like heaven?
Gah. I still have nightmares about servicing dualing DEC “pizza boxes” that ran an entire production facility. I burned my VMS manual, took longer than an oak log.
TexB @ 140
Sleep well, TexB. Sandra’s page is very nice, plesse thank her for me.
TexB @ 124
Hope you’re son’s a fast reader. I understand Deathly Hallows is quite a long read. I’ve requested the Monday after off from work so I can finish the book.
TexB @ 140
G’nite Tex!!! Sleep well, Ma’am!
Rayne @ 145
But I was a USER at that point, Rayne. Your piddly sysop troubles were of no concern to me…(runs, ducks, hides very very fast…)
Suzanne @ 139
Hate to get all existential on you but it might have something to do with the slack housing markets. It’s getting pretty bad out here. Anyway, positive thoughts help, if only to make your outlook better.
pain free sleep wishes, betsy
Alfred Kelgarries @ 126
My second profession is vocational rehabilitation research, which I got into because of my background in anthropology and archaeological demography (First, they needed a demographer, and then they needed someone with enough cultural sensitivity to work with American Indians.) I got “kicked to the curb” as anthropology faculty most likely because (a) I didn’t publish enough, and (b) I never learned how to teach effectively in today’s academic environment. (That’s the short version.) I’m still not quite old enough to retire (not yet eligible for medicare).
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 131
G’night Teddy. Happy Pride to you, too!
Suzanne @ 139
Don’t let the “creeps” get’cha! It will sell, don’t worry.
Cujo359 @ 150
Not a normal sale either which complicates – the place is in a stock coop – we don’t own the land, we each own an equal share in the corporation that holds the land. Strange set up harkening back to the old Elk Park days. My mom keeps telling me it only takes one.
Spidey’s prediction has helped me through some weekends when I’ve had no showings at all.
Sleep with pride, Teddy :)
TexB @ 97
Yes, TexB.
Rayne @ 145
Good environment in some ways. I’ve done MS-DOS, Unix, and Windows, plus some stuff we don’t even want to mention because everyone who’s heard of them is dead by now, but VMS was one of the easier ones to get the hang of. They had some great clustering tech, too, though I never got to deal with any of that.
TexB @ 140
Here’s a towel, warmed by the heating lamp. . .
Sleep well!
Bob in HI
TexB @ 140
G’night, Betsy. Sleep well and pleasant dreams!
Well, I think I too will head to bed. Great discussions tonight. Take care of yourselves and enjoy the snark.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 149
Heh. No, I was a user at the same point you were a user. I became a sysop only after I figured out I would do better career-wise if I took my success at gaming the system (technologically speaking) and applied it to IT instead. By the time I became a sysop, most of the work done by users was on Windows systems, with order entry done via emulation on the VAX systems.
But I still can see that dreadful amber display, blinking, that cursor doing nothing, while trying to pull the right VMS syntax out of my butt. Ugh.
Cujo359 @ 157
How about Kaypro? Or doesn’t that count?
Bob in HI
DrDick @ 160
Nite, DD!!!
Whispering g’nite to the sleepy firepups.
DrDick @ 160
Sleep well, Dr. (pause) Dick.
*gigglesnorts* My role moedels are like Motoko. I’m still one of the younger women here, but despite my rather downtrodden state. I’m still here. I still have a chance to make my way, but being as active as i want to be isn’t an option. I’m too vulnerable to the type of politics the corporation i work for would play even if i did hold to the HIPAA laws. I’d be fired in a millisecond if i did more than bitch about idiots that i run across at a retail pharmacy.
I stay active by staying informed and writing my congresscritters. The little things count.
Time for me to toddle off to bed, too, almost 3 am here in MI.
Suzanne, I think the current retrograde ends on 10-JUL. If you have an open house this weekend, the timing will be just right for an offer and a closing after that date. I’m picturing it right now. ;-)
Rayne @ 161
Dot prompt.
Bob Schacht @ 162
my first home computer was an apple ][ with a CPM card. My boss had a kaypro luggable (like a big 1980’s boombox, complete with carrying handle). He loved that thing!
I, too, must toddle off to bed. Night, all.
Rayne @ 167
night rayne.
Thanks, Rayne. That is kinda what I am thinking – my luck is changing – I can feel it just like I can feel those little hairs on the back of my neck stand up when it is a danger will robinson moment.
Bob Schacht @ 162
I never got into CP/M. Went right from pushing the bytes in through a pad to MS-DOS in the microcomputer world.
kristine @ 170
night, kristine.
aliasofwestgate @ 166
A thousand cuts, Shrub shall perish under the withering effects of a thousand cuts!!! Every little slit shall take its’ toll!!! :-)
CTuttle @ 175
Slow Slash sentence. With No Squealbaby.
DrDick @ 133
It’s a lot more than cheating. It’s absolute brilliance. Like Marcy. Hard for a regular kind of IQ person to grasp…
Heh. Too funny. I’m still closing windows and I see Alfred’s “dot prompt”.
I was thinking more along the lines of
$ MONITOR process/topcputo find out what mofo was messing with me.
Nighters, Pups. And yes, I feel the changing luck, too, Suzanne, likely for all of us. Maybe Spiderpaws should do us a meta-reading.
* poof *
Loo Hoo. @ 177
Loo Hoo, you are SO good for my ego….my blushes. BTW, were you the poster who was suggesting my analysis of the Wapoo piece on Darth is wrong, or am i finally going gaga from lack of sleep?
Goodnight, Rayne.
BTW, for those who don’t know what the heck we computer geriatro-nerds are talking about, CPM and VAX were very early operating systems for micro and minicomputers. CPM was full featured operating system that ran in 105 thousand bytes. It does almost everything Windows Vista does only better, except it was only text, like postings on FDL. Vista, to give us those lovely graphics and all the rest we never use, requires over one billion bytes. Progress marches on.
Exactly. For me? the best thing to be is an ordinary citizen. I’m pretty much poor(under 13k earnings last year), female and a minority. But beaten? Far from it. Way to stubborn to quit and i’ve got a plan to get myself elsewhere. One that i’ve had since long before 9/11. I’ve just had a few detours while implementing it. Adaptablity is my strength. :D
aliasofwestgate @ 182
It just hit me, have you gotten your package yet?
Not yet, AK. I finally checked my mail for the first time in about a week. I’ll do so a bit more regularly next week for sure though.
(oh yes. i’m also single, no kids. So i get hacked taxes wise too. Tax policy is NOT kind to those that don’t spit out kids before they hit 30. I seem to be the modern version of a spinster. As my younger brother has two kids already. I’m not in any hurry at this point either. i can spoil my nieces in the meantime!)
Why do we pause for Dr. Dick?
aliasofwestgate @ 184
Okay, if it hasn’t gotten there by the end of this coming week i’ll resend overnight express. Bateau is getting grumpy.
I started the Dr (pause) Dick thing. The first time he posted, I immediately thought of the 80’s tv show Cybil Shepard had – her best friend, MaryAnn’s ex-husband was Dr (pause) Dick. She put such a great pause between Dr and Dick and practically spat the word Dick.
I began teasing DrDick about it and it sorta caught on, LooHoo. There is no offense meant in it.
aliasofwestgate @ 182
Adaptability, coupled with resourcefulness, is an awesome trait! A long standing Motto of my Family has been; “If it doesn’t kill you, It will only make you stronger!!!” *g*
Alfred Kelgarries @ 181
No kidding. The first Unix system I worked on ran on a 15 MByte drive. That’s megabytes. It was tight, but if we were careful we could use it. Now, 15 gigabytes is small.
Of course, those old Unix platforms couldn’t do this. You have to wonder how we got along without it.
Cujo359 @ 189
we used pens, pencils, graph paper, funny shaped dice, lead miniatures and OUR IMAGINATIONS. Darn newfangled tee vee dungeons have no soul, I tell you! They’re techno-fakery..(thud)
(sorry about that. Gramps got out of his room again. We’ll try to keep a closer watch on him in the future.)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 179
Can’t remember what you said about it, sorry. It is a shocking piece. See, that’s the difference between an average IQ and yours in a nutshell!
Hey, AK – have you used a terminal emulator software package called Reflection or Reflections by the company Attachmate, formerly known as WRQ, known before that as Walker-Richer-Quinn?
Suzanne @ 187
Funny! I thought maybe there was a special reverance to be paid between the Dr. and Dick!
Loo Hoo. @ 191
oh, okay. see, in point of fact there ISN’T a direct reference in the article to “Today, President Bush told the Washington Post that, to quote him directly, “Vice President Cheney is a Dick!”" Our suggestions about “throwing cheney under the bus” come from long experience reading the shadowy, secret codes of washington media behaviors. If you haven’t immersed part of your mind in that arcane cesspool, it won’t make sense. On the bright side, you don’t have to have your brain roto-rooted once every two months, either. But my concern was, I only skimmed it because almost everything in it I already knew from other sources. I just as easily might have missed something, and you would have been perfectly right to point it out to me! I love having people point out my mistakes because it guarantees I still have something to learn, more growth to experience. I’m afraid I would find Nirvana totally boring.
Did any of that make sense? I’m beginning to lose it…
Loo Hoo. @ 93
Then you should meet my eight-year-old. She has both sentiments mastered already.
Ed*ard Teller @ 192
Hey, ET! I may have. what was it an emulation of, vax or unix? and what was the preferred back end?
Ah, CP/M, it takes me back. I ran a law firm on 2 Northstar Horizons with 64K of memory and two 360 k double density floppys – we had like about five dumb terminals with RS232 lines running everywhere and a NEC Spinwriter printer. When we added the 5 meg hard drive we figured we’d never fill it up.
CP/M was totally a black art, with the most cryptic manuals ever written.
I still have the North Star if there is a museum somewhere that wants it.
My mom had a Kaypro, so we were an early adapter family.
kristine,
My older son has been re-reading all the older Harry Potter books so he’ll be up to speed on this new one.
That last one took an age for me to finish, and I wonder if it’s because I lost track of what had happened before.
Well, Alfred, doesn’t look to me like Bush is throwing anyone under the bus, much less Cheney or Abu.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..chapter_1/
It was FDL’s coverage of the Libby trial that finally got me off my butt. I had recently quit my blood-sucking corporate job and had lots of time to read every word and every comment. I was glued. I also learned so much. I had just turned 50, was disgusted at what was happening in our country. Had spent all my life completely disconnected from politics because I was raised in a right-wing extremist, nasty, derisive, Rush-loving family. I don’t know how I ended up in that family. Anyway – I got angry, still am, am learning to blog, am writing like a fiend. Thanks to all of you actually, FDL and all of those who comment.
And right now, even though I feel like my blog posts are just regurgitating other news that I find, if I post it again and 5 more people read it then maybe 5 more people can have a light bulb go on in their brains.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 196
Here’s a product description. It was developed around 1988, and is still widely in use. My youngest brother headed the development team.
petedownunder @ 197
no, the most incomprehensible set of manuals ever written was done by IBM for their first minicomputer system. I seriously considered suicide while trying to decipher them. And tech support was $100 a call (hint: gas sold for 19 CENTS a gallon.)
Put the northstar on ebay. there are serious collectors for that kind of stuff. same with the kaypro if its still around.
Patrick 4/4 @ 195
Good girl!
Suzanne @ 139
What creeped you out?
OMYWORD @ 200
There’s the spirit!! Good for you.
Loo Hoo. @ 203
The best!
Loo Hoo. @ 199
Agreed. On the surface, it just looks like a nice writeup of Mr. Cheney’s work in the bush administration. But when you dig into the details, it is a hammer blow after a hammer blow against Cheney. A whole set of paragraphs details his circumvention of legal requirements on classified information; THAT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE. If al gore had done that, the rethugs would have introduced the bill of impeachment the next day. No way that has been allowed to see print unless Bush okayed it. And as I ready more I see other stuff even worse. AND WE HAVE THREE INSTALLMENTS to go.
It’s even worse than I thought. Ghod. I hope bush’s security detail is on high alert, cause “old bull” cheney might descide to go huntin’ again. Eek.
OMYWORD @ 200
welcome, sir, on behalf of our little community. We are honored to have you here. We are a bit odd, but our hearts are in the fight just like yours.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 202
I don’t recall we even had tech support. A group of us who ran the things would call around to see if anyone had figured out a solution. I remember a well heeled buddy bought an IBM PC AT – the fastest computer I’d ever seen!!
Jacqrat, I’m working on positive feelings for the open house tomorrow and don’t want to sully them with my flutterby’s of last night. Nothing for anyone to worry about.
petedownunder @ 209
This was government stuff. We had a very pricey support contract that wasn’t worth poop. Finally my boss got a line to a junior engineer who had written about half the OS and then we were able to make it work.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 211
Jerry Pournelle used to write a column for Byte and he said that the most important thing in computers was not to know the answer but to know someone who did. Still true. I miss Byte.
Ed*ard Teller @ 201
No, i’m afraid not. At work we used strictly IBM stuff, and at home I ran various micro os’s and emulators. Once the internet got going, I beta tested a UNIX to PC emulator that was nice but pretty buggy. The company folded before they could finish the product.
But it’s a sweet product clearly and I’m sure your son is an asset to the company.
Welcome to the Lake, Omy. If you have any questions, feel free to toss them out there. There is a wealth of knowledge here.
petedownunder @ 212
Don’t we all.
{{{{Suzanne}}}}
Your place is EXACTLY what somebody is looking for and is getting more and more worried about not finding for her or himself. Trust me on this.
Suzanne @ 214
And, best of all, some of what we know may even be true.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 213
My youngest brother. I’ll let him know. They fired his ass after he’d made ‘em a couple hundred million or so. He free-lances now.
Ed*ard Teller @ 216
ET, are you jumpy tonight? Since we’re all letting a bit of our ESP hair down the last few days, might as well make some use of it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 218
ouch. that happens, and its always bad. but if he’s got the spark, the web is the go to place. people are making software do things nobody could have guessed even five years ago. he may make his own hundreds of millions. Remember YouTube.
Sleep calls. Love you guys!
petedownunder @ 197
I got started in the days BEFORE Kaypro, before PCs of any kind, when all there was, was mainframes, and they had TUBES in them (CDC 1604). It was good work because those computers needed air conditioning so they wouldn’t overheat. . .
And big tape drives 6 feet tall, with 10 inch reels. And printers with wire-boards that you could program by shifting where the wires were plugged in. I was trained as operator on the night shift. When we ran out of other people’s work to do, we had the mainframe all to ourselves. The CDC 1604 had a manually settable break point, which I used to use to figure out where my programs were crashing (set breakpoint, run program. Program crashes. Set breakpoint lower. Run again, until program gets to breakpoint without crashing. Then manually step the computer through, command by command, until you got to the command that screwed everything up. Check contents of registers… Debug….)
No, this was AFTER the dinosaurs.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo. @ 221
Night Loo Hoo!
I’m not jumpy, I’m tired. Writing music. Taking breaks to clean house when inspiration flagged. The rest of the family got to play outside. I’m going fishing Tuesday, though.
You are right (as usual) ET. This place was what I needed and did not know what it was when I was searching. It was if this place sorta picked me, kept pulling me back to it.
Tis a special place that brought me peace when I needed it most. As much as I love it, I also know that it is time for me to move on and turn it over to some one who needs it as I did then.
OMYWORD @ 200
Good for you! Welcome to the coming out party! (See Mary @22 and LoudounLib @ 42) Power to the People!
Bob in HI
Ed*ard Teller @ 224
I’m doing my chores in between peeks between here and backstage. Sorry if my responses are a wee bit delayed tonight.
Bob Schacht @ 222
Control Data Corporation. I grew up in Dallas, Texas. Saw that logo a LOT. You had core memory, didn’t you? Most people don’t understand why the hex dump was once called the Core Dump, but that was the reason. Itty bitty loops of magnetic wire, assembled BY HAND by women looking through microscopes.
Mastodons and Cave Bears.
Suzanne @ 225
Are you leaving, Suz? I know not as a community member, but as our mod? TEARS.
Loo Hoo. @ 221
Sleep well dear Loo Hoo.
Crap, I hit the wrong button. The rest of my #227 follows:
Where you going fishing? On the lake? What are ya trying to catch, ET?
LooHoo, not leaving as Mod. Talking about leaving the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods.
Suzanne @ 232
Oh, thank heavens! Night.
Bob @222:
These days, you must use the full name. VACUUM TUBES. Otherwise the yungun’s will think you mean refrigerator pipes. They don’t realize that transistors and Integrated Circuits weren’t invented by Marconi and Gauss.
Ed*ard Teller @ 224
Good. My own jitters are fading too. Don’t like that feeling, like the one you get just before a really bad storm breaks. Fading away now though…
Suzanne @ 227
I’m just checking in for a while tonight. Ms ET was pissed I didn’t go into Anchorage to watch ETette run in a marathon. But when she got back and the house was clean, all was forgiven.
About time for me to get back to the vacuuming, dusting and window washing. G’nite all.
Suzanne @ 237
night, suzanne. I’m about to crash myself…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 235
Ah, the soothing waters of da Lake. Sweat dreams sleepyheads.
newspaperbrat @ 239
quite right. (poof)
Thanks for the welcoming posts and I have to laugh at the techy posts too. I cut my teeth on VAXes. And by the way, I’m a girl so, Alfred Kelgarries at #208, I guess you could call me Madame. :-)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 228
Yes! By golly, I’d forgotten about that, but now that you mention it, I remember them showing us the core memory module once. The loops I remember weren’t that small– a couple of mm. in diameter? Each suspended at the intersection of two black wires, in a matrix, with layer upon layer. . . But my memory of that is fading.
I don’t remember any Mastodons or Cave Bears, although we did have some grumpy engineers who hung out at all hours in a corner room.
Bob in HI
Alfred Kelgarries @ 234
Jeez, I know what those are. :P I can’t say the same for Cassie though. Unless she’s done a bit of research. I’m young but i’m not THAT young. I just wasn’t exactly capable of programming at the time of those things in the 80s. I DO remeber the first PCs in school though. Apples at that, which eventually got upgraded into Macs. I have no idea what they use at this point. Except my music theory class had access to Finale 2007 and shiny new Macs(i have no clue on the model anymore).
But i remember more than a few references to tubes in movies. Hence even my amusement at that old dinosaur of a politician calling the ‘net the ‘tubes’ too. :P
Loo Hoo. @ 229
Suzanne, say it isn’t so! Late Night FDL won’t be the same without you! Chaos will ensue!
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 231
In the Copper River canyons. i’m allowed to catch 30 salmon, one of which can be a Chinook (King), the rest Sockeye. The drive takes almost four hours, the fishing about the same, the cleaning about three, the drive back another four. Then I have to prepare half the fish for smoking, the rest for freezing. So it is an entire day, spent working my butt off in incredibly beautiful, very dangerous territory. I’ll put some pics up for the pups.
FDL has made a huge difference in my life. I feel included and heard. I have became well informed. I meet great people. I have become motivated to become an activist. I joined Peace in the Precincts and became a member of Itsourhealthcare.org. Tomorrow I am going on a speaking tour with The California Labor Federation. I will be telling my health care story in San Diego, LA, Bakersfield, Fresno, SF and Sac. And I am not even afraid. Ha! As a matter of a fact I am looking forward to it. Thanks everyone for my new purpose. I am a fierce woman.
OMYWORD,
Welcome, madam. I used to be a Republican. Jerry Falwell saved me, though. By convincing me my party was being taken over by cynical opportunists willing to pervert and exploit millions of sincere, but ignorant people of faith in exchange for raw power. Thanks for saving me, Jerry. I hope it gives you some small comfort in a very, very, very, very hot place…
Aack! Conspiracy theory alert!
To my gig @92, I just had an additional terrifying thought: The order of presidential succession after the veep goes to Speaker of the House, then to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (Sen. Byrd) and then… and then … to the SECRETARY OF STATE!
Pelosi and Byrd need to have their own special security forces, perhaps? Oh, man, this Chess Match is beginning to sound like a Harry Potter novel!
Now its off to bed for me, if I can sleep!
Bob in HI
Suz, you up? YGM
Hey Ed*ard Teller – I used to think I was a Republican based on what I thought Republicans stood for…fiscal responsibility for individuals and government, freedom of the individual, low taxes, the constitution (BUHAHA!), etc. But I also believed that we as individuals have a responsibility to help others who are in need. Which I think makes me a communist. My defining childhood political moment was when I was watching TV news about Martin Luther King’s death and my mother came up behind me and said, “Good riddance you communist bastard.” Something inside my tiny brain thought, “Something about this isn’t quite right.”
OMYWORD @ 250
I believed in the same GOP “values” you cite too. During Kennedy’s funeral, my dad and my sister’s boyfriend got drunk and laughed. Gotta give dad credit, though. After MLK was killed and I was visiting him near DC, he told me he thought Hoover had done it. Dad said something like “They killed an honest man, they did…”
I’m more of a dirty fucking hippy than I’m a communist. Left Libertarian is where I put myself in the political matrix.
We’re getting heavy rain. First measurable precipitation in over 40 days. It is probably putting out the 50,000 acres of forest fires started Wednesday and Thursday by lightning and stupid people.
Loo Hoo. @ 93
Well, then, you should definitely say ‘hell, no’ to your heroin.
Good morning, pups. We’ve got MoDo, Friedman and Rich in the NYT today. MoDo says the only way Cheney could get more dastardly is if J. K. Rowling has him kill Harry Potter. Mr. Friedman says the only hoax about climate change is the hoax that says we’re doing anything about it. Mr. Rich says that W and the gang will time the delivery of the bad news that the “surge” isn’t working to fall on 9/11, and that the real plan is for it to continue until he’s out of the White House, at any cost.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and it’s really more brunch today. I’ve got omelets, pick your favorite filling, with some fresh herbs from the garden to sprinkle over them, and PLEASE take some of the tomatoes with fresh basil and olive oil. The basil and tomatoes are going wild and I can’t keep up with them. Have a wonderful Sunday.
marion,
are you still there? i just got through reading this thread and the WaPo thing on Cheney. had to make my own comment there. can’t keep up with the bizarreness!
and tonight’s late, late night was quite good. didn’t even comment ’til now, too busy reading!
fahrender, I agree with everything Pach said about Edwards. I wish he’d stand up on his hind legs and stick up for what he believes.
Mornin’ all!
Iraqi court sentences “Chemical Ali” to hang
marion,
i like john edwards, his timing on taking stands, and his relative honesty. i think he is a decent man.
i think he also has an image problem. he seems too soft. he seems not tough, and that’s a polite way of putting it. is he tough? he could be, but this image/aura/perception is what the rovians and MSM predators are exploiting. it may or may not be a politically fatal achilles’ heel but i think he will have to triumph over it, both in the primary season and, if he’s successful there, in the campaign against the republican candidate. i don’t think he can or should try to change himself but he’d better find a way to take care of what pach is talking about or he will ultimately fold.
right now he’s got to seriously prove himself as a fighter. he’s got to show the public in a convincing way that he is tough and i think that will be difficult. i wish him and his supporters all the best.
twolf1 @ 257
hi, twolf1. had any red meat lately?
fahrender @ 260
Howdy fahrender. I had a big juicy steak a few nights ago.
did you read the Cheney thing in WaPo this morning? it’s a tasty morsel …
Iran Cracks Down on Dissent, Parading Examples in Streets
hate ta bail out on ya but i’d better go to work and get some stuff done. i’ll check back in later ……
fahrender @ 262
I saw it but haven’t read it yet. I have been shying away from anything Cheney as it usually infuriates me.
i’ll be brave and take a look…
fahrender @ 262
ya, here’s the link
here’s some of the story
I was JUST going to commment
the lead says cheney has EVERY room bugged
I WANT TO KNOW IF HE HAS BEDROOMS BUGGED
because if he does, there is NO doubt EVERYONE will want him impeached IMMEDIATELY
once the wheels begin to fall off the entire chasis breaks down
first cheney, if we get cheney out abu torture will feel the weight of his crimes and he will resign INSPITE of what we will find out through the new ag
and once ag goes, bush will give it one more go to cover up his crimes, but it will be obvious a new ag will prefer charges against the president and he will resign pronto
check out this update;
rozen is a moron if she thinks she can make beleive this guy thinks he’s being some kind of patriot
Cheney knows with no doubt he is stealing from this country, he knows with no doubt he has stolen the entire wealth of the middle class which has acrued over generations, he knows with no doubt he has stolen the wealth of all of Iraq, he knows with no doubt he has nearly dismatled our armed forces, he knows with no doubt he has dismantled our Constitution
he is a man who belongs to a SICK and MANIACLE fraternity knowns as the PNAC, they are military MORONS who’s only intention is creating war and then STEALING from that war, cheney is a man who belongs to some kind of FEDELARLIST partt that HATES government and his very purpose is dismantling EVERY successful program that exists
he wants robber baron economics, he DOE NOT want a constitutional government with THREE branches of government and THERE IS NO WAY ON THE PLANET HE THINKS HE IS A PATRIOT
I’m hoping all the ‘Cheney is Evil’ stories will give the Dems the courage to join Kucinich and impeach the bastard. Before it’s too late.
But, another question keeps popping into my head. Where are these stories coming from? Rove? Is Rove trying to take the heat off himself by throwing the veep under the bus? Dastardly bunch we have running the country.
solai @ 267
we can get the republicans to join the chant as well
we need to frame this the right way, we need to ASK THE QUESTION;
‘HAS THE VICE PRESIDENT BEEN SPYING IN THE BEDROOMS?’
“HAS THE VICE PRESIDENT BEEN STEALING OUR CORPORATE SECRETS?”
“HAS THE VICE PRESIDENT BEEN LISTENING TO THE PRIVATE CONVERSATION OF OUR WIVES”
“HAS THE VICE PRESIDENT BEEN WATCHING WIVES TAKE SHOWERS”
“HAS THE VICE PRESIDENT BEEN LOOKING UP THE DRESS OF PRESIDENT BUSH’S WIFE?”
“IS THE VICE PRESIDENT IN THE PRESIDENTS BEDROOM WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T KNOW IT”
the questions HAVE TO GET ASKED and then THE WALLS WILL COME DOWN, I GUARANTEE IT
Talking Heads thread upstairs…
The Shakira video was quite something. Talk about vivid!
The Digby speech was amazingly coherent, inspiring and well-spoken.
thank you.