Late Nite FDL: We are familyBy: Maru Friday June 22, 2007 7:28 pm |
Hi all, I’m late!! Does anyone else get totally exhausted just listening to Wolf Blitzer? I swear to god, after a few minutes of that droning delivery I start knocking a couple back and the next thing I know I’m totally slobbered. I’m Maru, your guest host for this evening — night! it’s night!! — and it’s my debut here, so please bear with me.
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Bada bing!
Halloo, Maru. Whoareyou?
Greetz!
Hey!
Welcome to the Lake Maru! I would like a Harvey Wallbanger, easy on the ice. Thanks. I’m in the hammock.
Blitzer, he’s so, so… objective.
Here is your drink, Elliott..)
Welcome Maru.
tw3k @ 6
or objectionable…
Maru…I love the name!! I’ll have a top shelf Marguerita please..!
just one day after the last NEWSWEEK Poll found President George W. Bush plagued by the worst presidential approval ratings since Richard Nixon, the new poll finds that every leading Republican candidate for the presidency in 2008 would lose to each of the leading Democrats. Hillary Clinton would defeat Rudy Giuliani by 7 points among registered voters: 51 percent to 44 percent. Giuliani comes up short against Obama (49 to 44) and Edwards (48 to 46).
CONTINUED
I actually liked Blitzer until he sucked up to Lynne Cheney and was so “hurt” she was mean to him. Then my crapometer went DINGDINGDINGDING.
Hi Maru
Wolf. A cybertwit in lupus clothing.
Hey Maru! How’s by you?
Hi guys! It’s nice to be here — usually I lurk during the day while I’m at work.
Blitzer…objective! That’s the word I’ve been trying to think of for him. I keep thinking obtuse, for some reason.
Welcome!
Wolf is…well…ummm…if you watch Wolf long enough you realize he is the big, bad, wolf…
my…what big eyes you have…my what big teeth you have…
I’m gonna eat you all up!!!
Whatsnu, Maru?
Gin and tonic – double twist – Thanks!
Never could handle the Wolfman- he’s a big zero.
Flow Blitzer
I actually liked him playing himself in that animated movie awhile back….Cats vs Dogs, or something like that? Since then, bleh…
bienvenue, Maru
LoudounLib @ 8
a blunt excrement comes to mind.
maru @ 15
BTW maru, if you’re a guest host for late nite, yer actually early. If not, then Never Mind…
Of course I LOVE Wolfie compared to Candy Crowley- SENIOR political reporter.
Funny blog name. *s*
http://maruthecrankpot.blogspot.com/
iT’S clear that Candy and the Wolfman have pictures of the CEO of CNN fuckin a goat.
rwcole @ 25
Did you HAVE to???
Margot @ 16
lol, obtuse, that’s what my ex-gf calls me!
happy second longest daylight day of the year, y’all.
7:30 where I am and we’ve got over two more hours before sunset ends.
Woohoo !
rwcole @ 25
I second that!
Remember what a, um, can’t use the c word, during Kerry’s campaign?
Unfortantely, I do.
Too bad she only broke her foot.
Vodka martinis tonight, with anchovy-stuffed olives. Weird, but it works! The tuna ones are better, though.
Actually, there aren’t too many choices besides Wolf — Fox News? Tucker Carlson on MSNBC? Gahhhhh!
Eureka Springs @ 26
Yep, that’s the fabulous Maru.
Hang on, we’re experiencing a few speed bumps but we’ll get there.
g’evening maru – a name new to me… as for my drink – i’ll have a rhum with fresh lemon plz…:)
boing – inward two and a half somersaults, tuck position – no splash
g’evening everyone. I see we have hammocks! Gonna have to snap a couple for the Mod Tower.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 5
When my wife and I got married in 1979, we had adjacent condos in a building in Whittier, Alaska called Begich Towers, named after Nick Begich the Alaska congressman killed in a mysterious plane disappearance along with Hale Boggs.
After we got back from the honeymoon, we had a party where we knocked down the concrete block wall separating the condos. We served Harvey Wallbangers with sledgehammers.
I have never been able to figure out where all of the idiot teleprompter rwcole @ 27
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I remember Candy Crowley- SENIOR political reporter during the 2000 campaign- among a legion of Bush ass suckers she sucked the longest- hardest- and with the most gusto.
PATHETIC!
It’s late night for me… it’s got to be past 10:30 by now!
: )
Snap or snag?
You’re earlier.
But, (really big grin) glad you’re here.
Eureka Springs @ 7
Ahh, thank you kindly
[she says, taking a long lingering refreshing sip]
here LL, want some?
you know, just when life gets perfect here in Elliott Town, my neighbor starts burning something…
[growl, off to
slamshut doors and windows]here KO RULES !! lol
Evenin’ Suz!
maru @ 32
I LOVE those anchovie stuffed olives!!!
Tucker…Ahhhhggrrraaaa….bow tie. Ick.
Maruita anyone?
oh, Elliott, thanks!
For those who were wondering about the Friday news dump, there is the announcement that the CIA will make public the “family jewels”. Less known is that Bill Mercer has withdrawn his nomination. Who is Bill Mercer? Well, this is my soon to be entry in my scandals list.
Why is Crowley Senior Political Reporter???? Why, why, why????
LS
I think he lost the glasses and bow-tie, but he’s still really icky.
(Just the few times I accidently saw him.)
you are right, demi – my fingers are tired already.. snag not snap :)
Suzanne @ 35
Suzanne!
I had snagged the prized hammock, but gave it up to Alfred K in honor of his luminous commenting.
The Bulgarian judge was not, shall we say, amused.
maru @ 32
I liked Tucker better when Shuster was subbing for him. Just give Shuster the show, already.
Girlfriend, you can Snap! something else later.
(tapping fingers on table) rhum and lemon over here plz….
Hi Maru, checked out your blog, enjoy your sense of humor! Don’t be afraid to rev up the snark at late nite, we’re all snark addicts.
Wolf would be much more impresssive on roller skates. That way he could glide grandly around his situation desk, while appearing tall. In addition, I don’t think it’s good for his health to have to yell like he does. So if they can’t move a microphone closer to him, may they could equip him with a cheerleader’s megaphone like GWB had at Yale. They could call it the situatiophone.
It’s Friday night and lets rock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
They are all actors. Tweety said so.
And howdy, Maru – I miss you, if you’re a mid-day lurker.
Pitcher of sangria, please – so refreshing on a warm summer day.
I’m usually a nicer gal, but this whole Cheney thing has got me in a nasty mood. That and the heat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Oh, nice!
Yeah, Tucker lost the tie, but he’s still a smarmy little farkpipe.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
This one will definitely put you “in the mood”!
I don’t know how to watch Wolf….I am so averse to TV news stuff that i am turning into an even bigger Luddite than I thought possible. MSM is very bad for your health….they are the trans fats of communicative “stuff”
LoudounLib @ 52
Unfortuantely, they’ve had Smerconish for more than shuster this week. Barf at least.
Saw that tonight, dakine — ugh!
Oooh, Candy Crowley, who spent so much time in the Lamont / Lieberman fight talking about those dirty filthy hippies protesting the war in 72. ‘Scuse me, that was ‘68 you fool. By ‘72 Nixon was deep into the Paris peace talks and trying desparately to pretend Vietnam didn’t exist. Wow. C’mon, just tell us the sun shines out HoJo’s ass and be done with it.
demi,
Cheney and Joe Lieberman — I’m so teed I could crap glass. Effing Lieberman.
Eureka Springs @ 26
our motto, eh not?
WTF IS IT NOW?
I hear myself saying that every day, all day.
Apparently it’s also time to swing…
LS@58
lol – tweety always knows his lines(repug talking points) no longer needs a script lol
Ed*ard Teller @ 36
Totally different kind of a story. Went to the funeral of a man who was in his late seventies many years ago. Wife was always the subservient type, but pretty standard for those days. After the service, I asked her what she was planning to do now. Her answer? “The first thing I’m gonna do is to drink a Harvey Wallbanger. That son-of-a-bi*ch would never let me.”
LoudounLib @ 63
Seltzer!
LS @ 58
That’s what I thought he said as well when I first heard it but the replays showed that he said “we’re all reacting here.
Much as I hate to do so, I can’t fault him for the actor comment. Even though that’s really what he is.
Where is EDP? Do I need to ask, in his stead…
What kind of fuckery is this??
hi maru -
going up to read the comments
oh hell – i guess i better get my own drink…. hey bartender – over here
LS @ 48
Why is Crowley Senior Political Reporter???? Why, why, why????
‘Cause she’s the Heavy-Weight Champion of the World!!
Maru,
Doesn’t Lieberman look like that WB cartoon dog, what was his name Droopy?
Only Lieberberman is a bad puppy. Very bad.
Cheney is just f***ing EVIL.
tw3k @ 23
ewwwww
Hi Maru…
Welcome to FDL!! It is a thrill to see you over
hear. Like your site..I visit it every night and
manage to get a few giggles…love your pixs..some beautiful spots..
Hope you will return again…and Wolfie!! Isn’t he the pits?? I nearly puke each time he says to stay tuned to the BEST POLITICAL STATION!! Can they be more biased! And Crowley…someone should send her to Weight Watchers or that type of place..
Now since we are into the social hour..can you
mix up a Stinger for me!! Yum and then I will
really sleep like a baby.
Hello from Boston….Moesie
Mutant Poodle @ 70
Awesome…love me some Benny Goodman!
Loo Hoo. @ 72
juslin @ 77
what’ll ya have?
LoudounLib @ 63
Back in the ’80s I was out at the local watering hole where I was living in NH and the DJ played In The Mood. Got up and was dancing and some kid barely 21 said “Boy, this new music is tough to dance to.”
I kept my mouth shut for once.
Evening all, especially our new guest host, Maru. Looks like the waters are inviting and drinks are at hand. I will have a large Bushmills (Black Label) on the rocks if I may. Mighty fine dive Ms Suzanne, even if some of the judges are less discerning.
LoudounLib @ 82
Not to mention the great Gene Krupa…
Evenin’ DrD
DrDick @ 86
Evenin’, Dr. D.
Mutant Poodle @ 87
Oh yeah, he was workin’ it out!
rwcole @ 45
I dunno…does Maru wanna?
dakine01 @ 85
thats’ funny
ps where in NH? had family there once, White River Junction VT.
That was over-the-river and through-the-woods
It may have been Keith Olberman, who said that Cheney is his own country and we should invade him. It reruns in an hour so I can check.
Hugh @ 47
Mercer’s name shows up over 40 times in the DOJ document dumps, including a section of his very own (Part 11-1, April 26, 2007). Mr. Mercer, the original absentee-landlord, would have a lot of esplainin’ to do, Lucy.
Frank33 @ 93
yeah, that rings a bell.
Frank33 @ 93
It was. He was continuing a riff from last night.
Not much going on tonight, Dr. D. Dick Cheney is a separate branch of government, and Tom Cruise may want to buy the Galaxy…
Frank, I think that was KO yesterday, calling cheeny a rogue nation and our only option was to invade (paraphrased).
Elliott @ 92
This was in Londonderry.
Ahh! Anyone else have cats walking all over their keyboard?
CNN: the best political team in television. Whatever, Wolf. Grrrrakkkk.
Lieberman even SOUNDS like Droopy!
LOL — I read somewhere that Olberman said Cheney was a “Rogue Nation”
Mutant Poodle @ 97
Actually Dick Cheney is a separate universe and I think Tom Cruise lives there.
maru @ 100
the grey haired guy is on the east.
Frank33 @ 93
It was KO.
maru @ 100
My cat avoids the keyboard by stepping on my chest before weding himself in the chair beside me. Of course, he then starts attacking and/or trying to lick my hands while I type.
juslin @ 77
It’s serve yourself Friday, Jus.
DrDick @ 102
He is a definition of himself.
dakine01 @ 105
buy the cat a mouse :]
I tell you guys. Never watch cable for news. It can only be enjoyed as your own version of Mystery Science Theatre 3000. Listen for a few seconds. Turn down the sound. Make rude comments. Repeat until disgusted.
hi all! had to take a break to put dad to bed. my freudian psych elements are boggled by the situation of me taking care of my dad, who is 91 with alzheimers, while I’m going fast on 65.
Anyway, read up on all the comments, but will thank everyone here to save spammin the server. And MP, you make me blush. Don’t do that, i’m not that good looking to start with. And it was the prozac anyway.
I had my first harvey wallbanger in Essex House in NYC in 1972. My wife and I were there on business for me and museum crawling for her, on unka sam’s nickel. I had heard about the HW and ordered it without any big fuss. The waiter came back followed by the head bartender himself, who proudly presented me with my drink, and my wife her chardonay. The bartender then informed me, “sir, you’ll be dancing after about two of those. just so you know.” He bowed and went back to the kitchen or whereever. My wife NEVER let me live that one down! (I didn’t have another, I had other plans for that evening….)
maru @ 100
Actually my cat was attacking my feet under the desk a few moments ago, but seems to have lost interest and wandered off.
maru @ 62
That is a perfect description.
What Is A Cheney? This has become a big debate. All candidates should be required to answer this question.
punaise @ 91
Oh, boy. Punaise is at the top of his program. Suzanne, you’ve got competition!
Maru, are you sure you know what you signed up for around these parts?? Welcome.
He does sound like Droopy! That whiney, whiney whine.
Oh, yeah, that reminds me…bartender, uno mas vino por favor.
And, thanks for the music!
I’m in a better Mood already!
LOL, Loo Hoo – I already trashed one thread today, so I’ll go easy…
Hugh @ 109
Hugh, comment on my pop’s blog. It’d make his day :)
MP, I think I’ll go for a swim. Want the hammock back?
And the next debate should have the following questions:
For dems: “Everyone raise your hand if you believe Dick Cheney is the fourth branch of government”.
For reps: “Everyone raise your hand if you believe Dick Cheney evolved from a lizard to be the fourth branch of government rather than being created by God directly during the 6 24 hour days.”
tw3k @ 108
I’ll send you one, kitty b collects them — live.
maru on Rudy upstairs
Elliott @ 119
I used to have a cat who thought it was just the bestest thing ever to deposit the gift of a dead rat on the seat of the car. Led to keeping the windows rolled up all summer (which is 90-100 degrees every day).
Elliott @ 119
My previous companion used to bring them to me in the middle of the night and dump them on the bed at which point the mouse, cat, and I all went in different direcitons…
dakine01 @ 105
A massed attack of cats-on-keyboard a few minutes ago. Took the hint and fed them supper. They have all finished and found nice places to nap. As a friend’s bumper sticker says, “Dogs have masters, cats have staff.” They’ve got me well trained.
Mine just leaves trails of mouse blood all over the house.
NewDealFarmGrrrlll @ 123
I have it on good authority that cat’s date their calendar from year 1 ADM (about 3400 BC) meaning After the Domestication of Monkeys.
My son introduces his cat as “a middle class cat. he has a house and two servants and the servants have already started raising the next generation of servants.”
Muzzy @ 30
This means the days begin getting shorter now. This is always the saddest day of the year for me.
maru @ 124
at least they’re dead.
Frank33 @ 93
I think he called him a rogue nation.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 125
that’s funny.
I have a cat and my dog has a cat
oo and LoudounLib has the prettiest cat ever!
…y’all know most of us are upstairs, right? ;-)
oh and Elliott, thanks for the compliment on Callie! ;-)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 118
Need to youtube those questions, stat.
I’m stayin’ in the water. Hammock frenzy in 3 -2 -1 …oh dear.
Hugh @ 109
Hugh, you made me laugh all afternoon at work — here I’m trying to be serious with patrons and kept going back to your comments to chuckle.
> Wolf Blitzer [considered harmful]
It’s Larry King interviews that cause me to feel queasy. Who was it that confused this guy with a reporter?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Ahem, should not that be ‘LazRockIt!’?
Not really rock . . . Love Setzer n the Big Bang Thing . . . heck, the rockabilly with Katz wasn’t bad, either . . . but his stuff with a big bend is way kewl . . . . .
demi @ 60
Nice girls drink No. 7, neat. ;-)
Mutant Poodle @ 70
Great clip!!! Noticed it was past the time of Charlie Christian . . Krups . . . insane.
They were so hip . . . NO ONE anymore understands pre beat HIP, like Benny put it out . . . ok, plenty know . . . N Harry James . . . I went and surfed the next one with Peggy Lee . . . and on and on the youtubing will go . .
Benny rawhks!!! Er, swings . . . my bad.
DrDick @ 86
AYE laddie!!! The dive AND the drink, are in sync! Top shelf!
Loo Hoo. @ 106
“Hey Bartender, get my friend a drink!”
“To ALLLLL my FREENNNNNNNNSDDDDSSSS!”
larue @ 139
larue cribs Mickey Rourke!
Hugh @ 109
Bullwinkle And The Skwirrel were my heroes, but, that danged moose on MST 3K and his cronies were as funny as ANY movie on Channel 36, The Perfect 36, back then in Bay Area . . . I’d DIal 4 $ . . . call me . . . sigh . . .
larue @ 141
Dude – come upstairs. Pool party!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 110
Insidious disease. Lost my mom to it at 79, after only two brief years. Pops went at 84 to Parkinson’s, for the most part.
The alzheimer’s was ugly . . . my heart to you and yours hoss . . . . bless you and him with what ever spirits work for ya.
newtonusr @ 142
Thanks, dallying round with distractions at home . . . I could USE a good cannonball!!!! SPLASHILICIOUS!
Welcome back to downstairs :)
Aaaand we’re back … this is gonna confuse the heck out of all those who read Late Nite on Saturday morning !!! *g*
*yawns* Thanks suzanne. I won’t be up much longer as i have work in the pharmacy at 11am today. I seem to have fallen into moonlighting as a streaming DJ and whoa, do i have some readjusting to get used to in terms of hours ‘on’ and ‘downtime’.
Ugly. that.
Suzanne Escher, your accomodating mod. I took the elevator, pups…
ET @ 477 of Late Late Nite … I saw an interview with Arafat where he mentioned the lack of a water deal as one reason why he did not agree to the deal … not sure if there was anything behind that.
Did they really find $2 Billion hidden in Arafat’s secret Bank Accounts or was this propaganda?
Suzanne @ 145
See what happens when you start the party too early!!!
suzanne…can you move my last question downstairs? ; )
am i in the right place. took a long time to look up answers to ET’s ID posting….
Thanks ET (I think) everything is so topsy turvy tonight. I’m still rounding up a few folks upstairs and shooing them down here.
Take me a few moments to move the comments over….
Alfred at 483, my 453 was meant to illustrate the power behind the narrative in Israel which requires that Palestinians and “terrorists” be describes as sub-human automatons. Mr. Sharan, a well-respected academician (using the Soviet term intentionally), will tour that speech to many institutions. The budget for his speech activities, much of which will be filtered from the USA, will be more than goes to the entire Palestinian elementary school system in Gaza for the remainder of
Suzanne @ 154
Like herding cats!!! ;-)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 153
Yep … we’re (mostly) all here …
Alfred Kelgarries @ 482
ET:
In re the palestinians at Wye, hell no! I do not support the two state solution, thought that was clear. the only way in the long run to stop the violence is to make everyone part of one state with equal rights and freedoms and economic and physical security. I was just annoyed that arafat wasn’t apparently level with the negotiators, thereby sabotaging the negotiations. If he had simply said in public, no deal without water rights guaranteed by the UN, that would have been great. Remember that despite 30 years of jihad and intifada, the israeli-egyptian peace treaty and the israeli-jordanian peace treaty have held. peace is possible there, but not if people negotiate in bad faith.
spiderpaws @ 483
Petrocelli @ 150
Yeah. Had he been Ted Stevens, he could have built 4 or 5 bridges to nowhere on what he stole. Yassir Arafat, even worse for his people than George W Bush has been for ours. That’s saying a lot.
wigwam @ 484
Ed*ard Teller @ 156
oh yeah, don’t I know it. BOTH sides have their hands dirty on this. I don’t support either side unequivocally. I just want the killing and the oppression to stop.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 160
Was it true that Ehud Barak had not agreed to the deal either?
Ed*ard Teller @ 485
To my question about our rep, someone responding “franking privileges.” Am I supposed to know what this mean?!
Update/Edit – Wigwam@484
(huff huff) whew, I think that was the last of them
(taking deep breath and looking around) now where were we
Ed*ard Teller @ 162
exactly. you and i are on the same page in re arafat. I hadn’t heard about the water deal, but mainly because the whole thing was dead anyway so didn’t research it. thanks for that.
Suzanne @ 168
Um … at the bar? Downing shooters every time someone says “Arafat”?
Petrocelli @ 165
I’ve heard it both ways. that’s life in the ME. it really doesn’t matter now. What does matter is finding a way to stop the cylces of hatred and bloodshed and oppression on all sides. Fast.
Petrocelli @ 170
I’m doing a can of coca-cola whenever I type “ME” personally….
Suzanne @ 168
Hee-Yaw! Get along little Dogey!!! ;-)
thank you S (nobody cares tho)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 169
I thought with Barak & Clinton, this would be a done deal … then Arafat reneged and appeared on an interview, saying the Palestinians could not get water rights, so he had no option … I stopped trusting him several years prior …
Suzanne @ 168
we’re here…
Suzanne @ 161
Sorry Spidey, I don’t know the answer to your question, perhaps ET or AK do …
Suzanne @ 161
I don’t think that it is no one caring, spidey. Everyone is still trying to play catch up with where we were vs where we are now.
What the hell is going on? I find a gap in this thread from 9:02 PDT to 10:12 PDT. This is weird! Moreover, stuff that I posted to a later thread is showing up here.
All right…well, I have to get up for my nephew’s baseball game.
I’ll pose my question to the daytime know-it-alls.
“Franking privileges” cover certain things of course. I think this is different, as evidenced by something I ran across. This is not related to my question other than it’s about the misuse of franking privileges.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 171
After that failure, it seems as if the fundies have taken over the Israeli Gov’t, is that a fair assessment?
The debacle in Lebanon last summer looks an awful lot like Bush’s debacle in Iraq.
wigwam, we moved upstairs at 9ish and then when that thread got full (over 480 comments) I moved it back here.
Sorry for the confusion but didn’t want to push the reload rate on such a high comment thread. I know we can hit 500 but that causes huge slow downs on refresh, etc.
wigwam @ 179
… tee hee hee … we’re messing with your mind … *g*
Bob in HI in re Kurds:
first, here is linky.
The Kurdish question may end up the defining ethnic legacy of the 20th century, oddly enough. And there is no question the Kurds have been badly treated BY EVERYONE, including unfortunately their own leaders in some cases (gee, we’ve never had that problem, have we?). But the misdeeds of the Turks in Turkish Kurdistan aren’t justification for the PKK’s indiscriminate attacks on civilians and sheer banditry. They are not true freedom fighters IMHO because they kill and steal from their own people when pickings are thin in turkey. The UN and Amnesty International have written on this, IIRC. That is why the PKK isn’t a part of the Kurdish Federal Sector of iraq right now.
I’m not up on the UKK, but i believe there are several recognized fronts working for an autonomous kurdish homeland. One way the US can perhaps help heal some of our wounds left from this terrible war is to help that along.
As I said, the Turks are not saints, just ask the armenians, if you can find them. but they are trying and getting better, and in the ME that’s way way ahead of the curve.
spiderpaws,
re chips in US military equipment. It comes from all over. Less and less percentage-wise from the USA every new contract or contract sub-batch. We no longer believe in science here. Excuse me, while I re-read the book I bought at the Grand Canyon National Park about how the canyon was created in a couple of centuries. Whoops, excuse me again – a couple of weeks.
i cared spidey, but have no idea…….
into doing a ‘reading’ right now?
just had a long revelatory dream……the rare kind.it woke me up..feel warm and fuzzy….so am here for late late night………
Alfred Kelgarries @ 171
Ain’t gonna happen if either side thinks they’ve got a chance to further their interests by holding out.
Hey y’all – just a quick drive by to say I’ve missed you late and late nite doggies – and all that good stuff.
Suzanne – champion diving mod – you have mail.
What a pleasure to see AK, ET and Petrocelli and others sharing such knowledge of the beleagured MidEast.
All I have to report is today represents the 10th day anniversary of Clint Eastwood’s seclusion in his mansion inside the gates to Pebble Beach avoiding the pesky press following his slap down by the California Coastal Commission despite a million dollar plus campaign to game State law on Weds, the 13th.
Petrocelli @ 183
BASTARD!!!
Ga’nite!
Thanks, wigwam for the clue. There’s even a frickin’ Franking Commission.
Petrocelli @ 177
Sorry SP, so many posts and only ten fingers.
Our chips are made in Korea, Taiwan, and Indonesia. China doesn’t make chips yet except for internal use. the reason is that to build a plant just to produce ONE TYPE OF CHIP can cost a billion dollars and take five years, and that chip can be obsolete by the time it is ready to be produced. This is called “FAB” for “fabrication” and it is the bane of the computer industry, but it is as necessary for it as gasoline is for cars.
Chine BLEW UP one of its own satellites (an old weather satellite no longer in use) with a ground-based missile earlier this year. It was a warning to the neocons in the us who have been trying to egg taiwan into declaring its independence from china to star a war over there. I’ll provide linky on that tomorrow. They have not openly interfered with our recon capabilities at all, or there would already have been hell to pay.
hope that clarifies a little!
newspaperbrat @ 188
Let me repeat for the record … I’m only on here as much because there is no Hockey !!! *g*
How ya doin’, NPB?
Loved the Clint Eastwood smackdown … unanimous vote, wasn’t it?
wigwam @ 189
aw shucks … that’s the nicest thing anyone’s called me all day … *g*
Ed*ard Teller @ 185
The Tom Friedman and Harvard Business School notion that the U.S. can afford to offshore its manufacturing capability, which won it WWII and the Cold War, simply boggles my mind.
Suzanne @ 145
Wow. This is the first time that I’ve been on FDL and we’ve had to move BACK a thread! I thought I was being censored upstairs for daring to respond to AK.
Does this make us all recidivists?
Bob in HI
Alfred Kelgarries @ 184
I learned about the Kurdish plight during the run-up to GWI under Pappy’s leadership! 10th SF was trained up and sent to parts unknown!!!
dmac @ 186
May your warm and fuzzy feeling last beyond the dawn and every sunset thereafter …
…up the hill
Boca-Maru!
“A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved.”
Kurt Vonnegut, Sirens of Titan
wigwam @ 179
FDL is competing with the White House web site on building a new world…
dmac @ 186
dmac, i’m sorry i’m late, had to try to work up a complicated answer for ET. do you feel like describing your dream again?
wigwam @ 194
I’m almost sympathetic with Senators Stabenow & Levin over lost manufacturing jobs. A crime.
wigwam @ 194
yeah. remember, the “global economy” depends on cheap merchant shipping. guess what all the navies of the major powers are built to do? sink merchant shipping. Gives one to think, doth it not?
Bob Schacht @ 195
Bob, you dare to respond to me anytime you like! I WANT you to! I’m NOT the authority on ANYTHING. And if you prove me wrong on something, I’ve LEARNED SOMETHING I DIDN’T KNOW. so i didn’t lose either way.
CTuttle @ 196
Interesting! Does your take match mine? My info is largely from reading and assessing media, never been to the Kurds region (my boss has, he got his arm shot almost in two there. yuk.)
thanks petro………i read late night every morning, so feel like i know you all, i am mostly a daytime commenter, but told suzanne before that i feel an affinity with you all.
here was the gist of the dream–all of the things happening led to this point.
focus on getting your dreams on what you want, then your life will provide what you need….daily….is self-sustaining because you have what you need in your everyday life to thrive……..because you are surrounded by things you want.
and by the way, I LOVE hockey…….grew up watching the dayton gems, season tickets…… ihl farm team…….wanted to play hockey, but back then girls weren’t allowed……wanted to be the goalie. i swam and dove and played tennis instead.
i have a hockey stick from them hanging in my living room, up high above antique mirrors, with my old ‘happiness is hockey’ button stuck in it……
newsontour,
I live right in the middle of it. I’ve been watching factories on both sides of the state close and keep closing as time progresses. Gov Granholm is doing her damndest to get them to stay–but they don’t. Then you add the stubborness of the Big Three(they ain’t) against any kind of alteration of their product for the better, and there you have it. Michigan’s ass in on the grill and this is make or break time. There’s very few inudstries surviving here at the moment. The west side of the state is doing marginally better than the east side but manufacturing on BOTH sides goes down further and further the longer this keeps up.
Ed*ard Teller @ 156
Yes; Israel is treating the Palestinians like Americans dealt with American Indians 100 years ago: round’em up, confine them to little reservations, and then slowly strangle their little homelands. Make them emigrate to the cities, where they’ll have to work as low-wage laborers.
Does anyone wonder about the legitimacy of state-based religion? As long as Judaism is the state religion of Israel, it will be regarded as an imperialist outpost in the Middle East. That is what the two-state solution has to offer. Besides, Christians in the area are being ground into sawdust– their numbers have been dwindling rapidly. There is no room for them in a Two State solution.
Better for both Israel and Palestine, IMHO, to agree to a one-state solution, with freedom of religion as the bedrock piece of the Constitution. Then how can their neighbors object to their presence?
Unfortunately, at present, neither side thinks they want a one-state solution.
Bob in HI
hi all,
i wrote a comment just as the thread upstairs got closed. took me a while to figure where to go also.
Alfred (or anybody): a few years back there was talk about the Israelis helping training the Kurdish militias in northern Iraq. i think it was Sy Hersch but not sure. do you know anything about this? i wonder what the Turks thought about it.
Suzanne @ 168
Thank you, Suzanne! You must be the life-guard on the Lake tonight!
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 208
Bob, did you get my posts in re Kurds and standing up to me?
Petrocelli @ 192
The original vote to kill the project was 8 to 4 and the CCC then voted again with a resounding twelve no vote, effectively killing the plan for all time. tra la la!
Bob Schacht @ 195
Something like that! Usually we’re leapfrogging forward, not backwards! A fitting capstone on my day, a funeral, and my Daughter’s Birthday! Something weird in the air, today!!!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 171
Amen! Is it too late to pray for a Palestinian Ghandi, or Martin Luther King?
Bob in HI
fahrender @ 209
They weren’t crazy about it. The purpose, however wasn’t aimed at turkey but at syria, to force them to reduce their support for hizbollah and hamas (which is mostly iran of course). So not much fuss was made, and then the second invasion made it moot anyways.
It’s been a fast moving one, bob. Kept me on my toes for sure :)
Bob Schacht @ 214
hell, i’ll settle for that mediator guy who did tne IRA treaty. I’m not proud.
aliasofwestgate @ 207
Roger & Me…
The Gov is a hearty soul, to get reelected in that state, against that bastard DeVoss. “Detroit should have seen this in the ’70s. Again.
newtonusr @ 202
I do not share your sympathy for Levin & Stabenow … the writing has been on the wall ever since Chrysler was bailed out.
I believe they cowtowed to GM, Ford & Chrysler for NAFTA, which would allow the Big Three to move manufacturing to Mexico.
Meanwhile, the Japs were opening factories in North America, and no one bothered to see what their strategy was.
The Big Three should have kept their factories open in America and Canada and focussed on improving quality and reliability.
Next to Yoga & Hockey, I’m a Car freak and I can tell you stories about the Car Companies that will make you sick …
The state of the domestic auto industry is due to the same mis- management as America’s current mess.
Gross, selfish mis- management have doomed these companies.
The slick twit is going to try again too, after Granholm’s final term is over. I’ll vote against him again then too! I don’t care how many jobs Amway brings to the GR/Ada area, he’s still a bastard.
Yet another late Friday evening White House (dump) statement release:
Bush claims oversight exemption too
The White House says the president’s own order on classified data does not apply to his office or the vice president’s.
hey spiderpaws–did you see my 186?
are you in the mood to do a reading?
alfred says-”dmac, i’m sorry i’m late, had to try to work up a complicated answer for ET. do you feel like describing your dream again?”
that’s ok, wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular, just was throwing it out there…….was one of those permanent kinds of dreams……and came on the tail end of a big week…..haven’t felt right for months, haven’t done any art or anything, etc……ends up my medicine was ’suppressing’ me……didn’t feel depressed, so was hard to describe, felt weird……ends up i was suppressed, that’s what the doctor called it……last two days have had energy out the wazoooo……and then tonight had that dream……..so am feeling really good right now.
and love the ME talk…..and sorry about your loss.
here’s what i posted on the other thread, with typos:
just had a long dream, with lots of parts……..was a gathering at my house, (not my house now, but in the dream it was, kindof a combination of the houses i’ve lived in……gathering was instigated by a friend……lots of different kinds of people, and throughout the dream, through the people and what they brought, was revealed lots of my favorite things, each time a new one came up, felt this deep warmth and satisfaction, and was mostly little things………then in the dream, someone started spouting off things i had said, (he was talking to a early teen child, telling stories about himself so i could hear and told one that was heavy, then went on to things dayna had told him, and it was someone i know, weird)so, he was spouting off things i had saidm, and got to this one, and i could picture how big it was and it woke me up……
focus on getting your dreams on what you want, then your life will provide what you need….daily….is self-sustaining because you have what you need in your everyday life to thrive……..because you are surrounded by things you want.
wow,
take care,
love,
dayna
Alfred Kelgarries @ 211
Yeah, and I’m not going to take that sitting down! {g} Did you see my post upstairs on my travels through Turkey?
Bob in HI
Alfred Kelgarries @ 205
newspaperbrat @ 212
Excellent … for once the people of Springfield unite against Mr. Burns … *g*
The only reason i’ve survived all this is my sheer adaptability in general. I’m also part of the younger generation that isn’t so dependant on factory jobs. I dont’ begrudge anyone those jobs, as my dad works a paper mill for a living. I just don’t have the temperment for a factory setting. But i do my own part to contribute by working pharmacy. Just wish my wages were a damned sight better. I’m getting paid cashier wages for a very non cashier job as a pharmacy technician.
Bob Schacht @ 214
A journalist many years ago had written that, had Arafat followed Gandhi’s teachings, Palestine would be a free and functioning state.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 217
Yep, that was a thing of beauty … do you know who it was?
dmac @ 222
thank you for sharing. it is a deep journey, i think. the images are complex and interconnected. i’ll sleep on it and perhaps have a thought or two tomorrow. if my dad is available i’ll relate it to him too. his insights are often much clearer than mine.
Seven of Six @ 221
This is total bullshit. If Boosh was except, then why the hell did his office comply in the years that cheeny did not?
(major eye rolling and exasperated noises)
Bob Schacht @ 223
no, please repost! I’ve never been there although I’ve been to a lot of other places in the region, just never there by odd chance.
i personally think that Iraq will get sorted out before the Israeli/Palestinian thing is resolved.
i don’t feel that either conflict can end in the next five or ten years but it seems to me that Iraq will be less complicated despite that it is the horrendous mess it has become.
Petrocelli @ 228
george mitchell. finally got the name from my deep storage buffer.
Seven of Six @ 221
Geez. Hubris rising all over the WH. There is a giant pimple rising over Washington, DC
Its like the Martians invaded and took over our government. Kinda like the Dr. Who series about the Aliens from BadWolf who can kill people and then inhabit their skins as if they are the person they’ve just killed, like the mayor of the city. Plotting to take over the world. But most people just go about their daily lives as if nothing is happening.
Maybe this is like a Greek tragedy, and this administration’s hubris will finally be their undoing. Can’t happen soon enough, IMHO, as long as they don’t take us all down to he** with them.
Bob in HI
Peacemakers of the caliber of Ghandi are so very rare. *sighs* The closest we have today is Jimmy Carter, i think and a few others that i can’t remember the names of. And the current admin and the noise machine that is our media has pretty much done everything to brand him as ineffective. I find that maddening and intensely sad at the same time.
CTuttle @ 224
my problem is with the acronym, I can’t place it and text searches on my notes don’t bring it up. can you give me their full name? I should know it…
Suzanne @ 230
They want to create a Constitutional crisis, IMO as it will stall all Congressional hearings and run out the clock.
Seven of Six @ 221
Game, Set, and, Match!!! I smell Constitutional Showdown with Scotus the final arbiter! I forsee a 5-4 decision with Scalia writing the same twisted, non-citable garbage as Bush v. Gore!!! Color me a true Optimist!!! 8-)
Well, the Big Farm people have come up with their own answer to the illegal immigration question:
http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Sla…..article.pl
Robot fruit pickers. I am not kidding, I just wish I was.
aliasofwestgate @ 235
Don’t forget Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela.
Bob in HI
Thanks! *facepalms and grins* how could i forget those two? Mandela was freed when i was teenager too.
CTuttle @ 238
I don’t think so. You see, no one is asking them about this from congress, IIRC. The blograkers came up with the story and VPOTUS and POTUS put out this flurry of press releases. Nobody cares. They are jumpy. very jumpy. the question is why.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 236
I learned it as UKK, however, it may be under another acronym! I have so many ingrained within my brain, I could write a thesis in nothing but acronyms!!! *g*
Bob Schacht @ 240
and Martin Luther King Jr. …..
Alfred Kelgarries @ 231
Try up here.
Its just a paragraph, but I could write many pages about it.
Thanks for your interest.
Bob in HI
CTuttle @ 243
you’re ex-military, i can tell. (G). I never was, just a civilian in the military maze, but I had to learn the lingo. And yep, I actually wrote a report once that had no nouns in it, not any. just verbs, acronyms, adjective and adverbs and miscellaneous (the, to, etc.) If it hadn’t been classified DIE BEFORE READING I would have bronzed it as a work of twisted art.
aliasofwestgate @ 235
Heh … don’t know if we have enough space on this thread to discuss another world event, but Gandhi’s only shortcoming, according to me, was that he didn’t think highly of himself.
That is, he thought his ideas and ideals were simple and common to everyone.
When he saw the Brits carving India by religion, and the hatred they fomented, he realized his mistake.
Had he not been so humble, Gandhi would have foreseen the corruptibility of his fellow countrymen and planned more judiciously with Nehru, Jinnah, et al.
Bob Schacht @ 245
How else can i spout off semi-knowledgeably about so many things, if I do not learn? besides, when you stop learning, your dead, whether you’ve fallen over or not. will go read now…
farhender,
He was before my time though. I’m thinking more in terms of the peacemakers walking the earth right now. The ones that can say what needs to be said and sometimes move mountains with words.
As mixed race i’m not sure where i would have been placed as a mulatto child in MLKjr’s time. I was born in ‘77, after they finally did away with the interracial marriage ban. (which is why i side with the pro gay marriage/rights issue heavily. it’s the same argument remixed and rehashed.)
fahrender @ 244
Don’t forget Poland !!!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 242
You didn’t read Henry Waxman’s response to Cheney? Not exactly timid. Bush’s statement is too recent– there will be press reaction in the coming week. This is clearly a very lawless bunch we’ve got at the top now. I think they’re gunning for the history books. They’ll get mention in the history books, alright. But how they get written up is up to us. My hope is that Pelosi is making her calculations about when to put impeachment back on the table.
Bob in HI
CTuttle @ 238
i think you’re right. for them, the best possible strategy.
i sure hope it can be properly thwarted, but i’m not much of an optimist about that (irony recognized, by the way) …….
Alfred Kelgarries @ 242
I feel they’re trying for a Constitutional Crisis before Congress sends the Sergeant in Arms to arrest people for contempt.
Bob Schacht @ 251
Oh, the bit about cheney wanting to be his own branch of government? Yeah, but is he going to hold hearings? subpoena witnesses? I haven’t heard that he is. so why are they getting so upset.
And agreed to the max about pelosi and impeachment. did a thread three or four days ago indicating my belief that they dems intend to strike high, not low; i think they are poking the pus-sack until it bursts, and when the slop washes over the american people, the roar of rage will then put impeachment, trial, removal from office, criminal trials, long prison terms, total confiscation of assets, and trips to the hague (one way) on the table.
Petrocelli @ 253
Yeah, now that I could believe. Hmmmm.
aliasofwestgate @ 249
I grew up in the West Indies … we’ve had interracial mariages since the 1940’s (from what I hear) and we respected all cultures and religions as our own. Prejudice spoils the partying, and that won’t do in the Caribbean !!! *g*
Moving to Canada, we faced some prejudice for awhile, until we got the locals to try curry and listen to Reggae/Soca …
Bob Schacht @ 214
What made Ghandi stand out historically were his genius and his luck. Churchill wished him ill – we may never know the whole story there. He was, in the end, killed by a religious fanatic. There have been a number of Palestinian candidates for the laurels of Ghandiness, but many, many were killed. Israeli targeted killing of Palestinian leadership predates the creation of the state of Israel. Internacine fighting among Palestinian factions has been brutal for 50 years.
Bitter Harvest, Palestine Between 1914-1979 by Sami Hadawi mentions scores of Palestinian non-violence advocates who were rubbed out by one side or the other over the years. The excellent, recent book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, by Israeli historian ilan Pappe, documents from recently declassified minutes of meetings during the period between the end of WWII and the declaration of independence by Israel of the forced ethnic cleansing of over 250 Palestinian villages before ANY Arab interventions, many of the villages Christian towns dating back almost 2,000 years. In several instances, individuals, or entire communities who practiced non-violence, were brutally beaten, driven off, raped or machine-gunned en masse. So much for the efficacy of Ghandi as a pragmatic model.
These are both excellent books, worth reading.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 254
I will not be satisfied until they are tried for treason – Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Feith, …
Alfred Kelgarries @ 254
Stop my pounding heart!
…is dmac still here?
petrocelli at 247 says:
Heh … don’t know if we have enough space on this thread to discuss another world event, but Gandhi’s only shortcoming, according to me, was that he didn’t think highly of himself.
That is, he thought his ideas and ideals were simple and common to everyone.
When he saw the Brits carving India by religion, and the hatred they fomented, he realized his mistake.
Had he not been so humble, Gandhi would have foreseen the corruptibility of his fellow countrymen and planned more judiciously with Nehru, Jinnah, et al.
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that is often an issue for people with great insights and wisdom…..what is obvious to them, they think everybody else must know it too, because it comes naturally……..is also an issue with talents in the arts…….because it isn’t a tangible thing…….until you use it…….and takes a while for the impact of what you thought/did to show itself……by then you’re onto something else that is new, untried, and what you think is obvious again……so you keep going into new territory, but you think everyone else knows it since it came so easily to you………is a circle that happens until you see what has come from your own thinking and doing……..took him a while to look back on his body of work…that came later in life….and usually you aren’t looking at what you have done, but what you are doing next….so hard to see all of that to have high level of self-esteem….myopic in that way.
Petrocelli @ 258
wow. that’s harsh. valid, but harsh. How would it work? we’d have to impeach and remove them from office first. What would happen then?
spiderpaws @ 260
i think dmac went to sleep. i apologize for not anwsering you sooner, was researching long response to ET. did you see my answer upthread? dmac did explain her dream here…
dmac…what is your month and day
And agreed to the max about pelosi and impeachment. did a thread three or four days ago indicating my belief that they dems intend to strike high, not low; i think they are poking the pus-sack until it bursts, and when the slop washes over the american people, the roar of rage will then put impeachment, trial, removal from office, criminal trials, long prison terms, total confiscation of assets, and trips to the hague (one way) on the table
May the process be totally transparent and legally done so those responsible reap what they have sown.
And that is why i love my canadian adoptive family.(my biological parents could have the kids in wedlock, but they weren’t all that good at parenting. so i ended up privately adopted by a couple, a canuck and an american.) The easy acceptance by both sides of my family, and going to canada and NOT getting strange looks for beig an obvious racial mix? Was a huge influence on the way i think nowadays. I know i’m not unusal in other parts of the world, i got the same easy treatment on two visits to england. Both nations have their issues, but ye gods. I love that ‘oh hi!’ feeling i got there instead of ’stop, reassess race and expect ebonics’ look i get in some places. Although that’s usually when i hit them with the mild canadian accent and they go ‘buh?WTF?” Which leaves me grinning evilly and walking off.
aliasofwestgate @ 249
my first wife and i adopted a five-month-old in ‘72. we weren’t allowed to know anything about the mother except that she wanted the boy in a catholic family. we got the offer as they weren’t having any luck getting a catholic family to accept him (we were episcopalian and the mother decided that was close enough). to this day we don’t know anything about his genetic background but he doesn’t look “typical” for any ethnic group.
spidey, how was the hill tonight?
yes, spidey!!!!!!! still here……..
Suzanne @ 265
you have put your finger right on it. it must be as tranparent as air and as legal as the constituion. we are working with social plutonium here.
Suzanne @ 265
Double Ding!
Ed*ard Teller @ 257
I’m going to search for that article, it was called “Gandhi and Glasnost” … lots of great details on how the USSR broke apart … more like Gandhi’s philosophy instead of Nuclear war …
I don’t know if Arafat would have survived as a peacenik, but forming the PLO to destroy Israel has not been very successful for his people.
…there was no one up there tonight, just a little rat rustling but wow the stars are just fabulously bright…cold tho, came back down
dmac @ #261 – yes!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 246
Damn, I thought I was so discreet about it! I had read one about Gramm-Rudman and Brac that had me rolling! I had a copy for a long time, but, alas it disintegrated over time!
spidey-just saw your question, thankssssssss..
2-15
aquarius, gemini rising, taurus moon, jupiter zero sag
Alfred Kelgarries @ 262
I’m hoping the intelligence people will dredge up enough evidence to try them for treason. I’m not sure about the false pretense for war, but outing Plame makes my blood boil … and I’m a yogi, ferchrissakes …
That can be a good thing. *grins* Hard to pin down. My reaction to ‘check race here’ boxes is to pick ‘other’ and list what little i know of my genetic background (technically three ‘races’ if you count the hispanic lurking on one side) there. He must be one of those true blends that come out, like me. XD I’ve only met one side of my biological family and they told me i have my father’s side’s small build, but look almost exactly like my mother. I was never big on maintaining contact with them, as to me, my adoptive family IS my family in every way that counts. I’m sure that’s the same for your son.
CTuttle @ 196
I learned about this nonsense during a Christmas party in 1990. A rear-admiral friend told me that he was back home from being called up to work the logistics problem of prep for desert storm. He said that his CIA and State Department friends had decided that toppling Saddam would create a power vaccuum that would necessarily be filled by Iran. End of story! Ergo, GHWB opted not to topple Saddam:
dmac @ 261
I can relate to Gandhi, because I’m going through the same thing … having insights and thinking it must be plainly obvious to others as well.
Whoever said “patience is virtue” hit the nail on the head …
Petrocelli @ 277
I think we need to ask the lawyers. Let’s assume, as a starting point (not saying it’s true, this is a simulation only) that we find ironclad proof bush and cheney knew the details of 9-11 two weeks in advance and did nothing to stop it. They are impeached, convicted, removed from office. Is there further legal recourse? Who would draw up the charges? Who would issue the warrants? Which court would hold the trial? What would the relevant rules of evidence be? How would appeals work? Could the death penalty be asked for? Etc. We might just want to start, very quietly, thinking about this. I may be necessary.
about time for this tired firepup to climb down from the mod tower and head off to bed.
g’nite all and pleasant dreams
aliasofwestgate @ 266
LOL !!!
My first GF was a mulatto … stunningly beautiful, physically and spiritually …
There are some parts of Canada that are prejudiced, but Toronto is a multi- cultural quilt that all nations should strive to emulate.
AK’s assessment of what will bring long lasting peace to the ME is exactly what has worked in multi- cultural societies.
web site blogwhoring if anyone would like to see the portrait of Gandhi by my American art hero Stowitts here is a link to our recent museum exhibition “The Heritage of India” – the artist met Gandhi in India in the late 1920s and the Gandhi portrait was painted from sketches in 1948 in celebration of independence from the Brits.
Maybe Suzanne can transform this into a proper linky
http://www.stowitts.org/india main.html
Suzanne @ 265
truly, they deserve this but i won’t hold my breath. i hope it happens and i will support it every step of the way. given the apparent lack of resolve in congress i will not let myself be too optimistic but impeachment for cheney and bush is the only way America can begin to be absolved for the shame of Iraq, Guantanamo and associated crimes.
Petrocelli @ 272
Had you been Yasser Arafat in 1960, what would you have done? Probably an unfair question, as I’m not sure what I would have. Trying to put myself in the shoes simultaneously of Jews coming from post-Holocaust-Europe to the “promised land” in 1947 and the shoes of Palestinian Christians and Muslims thrown from their ancestral homes into nothingness by these seeming newcomers is close to impossible.
Ed*ard Teller @ 257
Thanks for these references. Unfortunately, it has become a tactic of radicals (everywhere?) to target the moderates, so as to polarize the populace. Can’t remember where I first heard that.)
Bob in HI
Wigwam, Why is it ‘Pappy always knows best!’??? Petro, You left off; Wolfie, Cambone, Yoo… !!! *g*
NPB linky
Suzanne @ 282
‘nite Suz !!!
Good Luck this weekend !!!
Sweet dreams and cyper hugs ((((((((Suzanne!))))))))
Suzanne @ 282
night. sorry if i’ve been a source of strife tonight.
Suzanne @ 282
Bon Nuit, Ma Cheri!!!
thanks all – i’m thinking real positive thoughts about the open house sunday
aliasofwestgate @ 278
when my son was twelve he really wanted to locate his biological mother. it wasn’t possible due to the laws and regulations at the time. he became pretty unforgiving of my wife. a few years later he had resolved those feelings and pretty much mirrors what you’ve said.
lifting up rocks for the meaning of things … mistress of matter…what you make/ print scatters everywhere…worker issues comes right to the front, could lead you down a long long corridor…discipline would be good, stretching out! oodles of money I see, it is falling down in piles around your feet, watch you don’t make that everything
and thanks alfred, just hadn’t responded yet…….i’m on dial-up so takes a while to read, refresh, comment, etc, gets confusing sometimes……
thanks ed the teller-re my 261–knew you would get it.
I grew up mostly in michigan with summers in ontario. The main issue they have is with the First Nations, with the rest of the racial issues more or less phased out or completely gone. I was just another kid there. At home, i’d been the ONLY mixed kid in my elementary school right up until i left it to go to Junior High. Things could have been different if i’d not had that other influence. It also makes crossing customs for me a snap, since i grew up going across the Blue Water Bridge as a kidlet with my parents. I don’t know why people got worked up about it before 9/11 and now the paranoia and the passport fiasco is pissing me off.
I do not WANT to live in an isolated nation. No way in hell are they keeping me from my cousins.
CTuttle @ 288
I think prison for those 3, but treason for the others …
AK, did you see my comment @ 277 … I want to see them go down for outing Plame … and I hope the Patriots in the intelligence services unite in this effort.
#296 was for dmac…you must be very young and just starting because not a lot of heavy stuff came through
dmac @ 297
finally, somebody gets it! you’re awesome.
dmac @ 297
cool. i found your dream oddly comforting. However, my own study of it right now indicates a possibility for a major life change for you, possibly very suddenly and without warning. if that happens, remember your love and your moral center and you’ll be fine. if i’m right the symbol will be the letter C (capitalized) crossed by a lightning stroke. If you see that symbol, you are home at last.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 292
Not at all, Alfred. Your insight has taught this tired pup a lot. (poof)
Petrocelli @ 256
Dang, Petro, you and I have had interesting histories, I was transplanted from Pine Point, NWT, to Ewa Beach, HI., within thirty days of my Father’s tragic demise! It opened my eyes to new cultures!!! 8-)
Petrocelli @ 299
I think they already are. I will watch and perhaps help if I can.
CTuttle @ 288
Truly evil people. A colleague and friend worked with Wolfie in the mid 70s and warned me to watch out for this guy. (He acvocated a preemptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union.) My friend described him as “very intelligent but very very crazy.”
spiderpaws @ 300
if that was to me, you’re right. i’m a 12 year old boy who has grown old but never grown up. And dream interpretation is a skill i’ve only recently had to learn, to keep myself sane after the death of my wife. but there was a heavy underlayer that I saw, one possibly indicating a joyous but very intense change possible in the future. OTOH, I may be full of little red beans.
petro at 280 says:
I can relate to Gandhi, because I’m going through the same thing … having insights and thinking it must be plainly obvious to others as well.
Whoever said “patience is virtue” hit the nail on the head …
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my best friend who teaches art says, when you hit those spots doing art—step back and look at what you’ve DONE…….assess it…..
goes with life, too…..look at your body of work…what all you have influenced in your life…and read my 261 again tomorrow when you get up your mind is fresh and new.
you’re supposed to take a break..and look…you have to do it though.
ergo the stop look and listen we all heard as children, i use that a lot describing life…….not just on ‘go’ all of the time.
aliasofwestgate @ 298
The first nations issue is very complicated … the previous settlements were divided up rather unfairly by some tribes, leaving many just as impoverished as before. They will sort if out, legally and peacefully … that’s the Canadian way …
The passport fiasco might be postponed until next summer … which means it will never be implemented … just as they can never guard the longest undefended border …
Ed*ard Teller @ 301
can you explain for the rest of us? (G)
aliasofwestgate @ 298
one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world is Venezuela. an old man i knew there told me “everybody in venezuela is born either with a drum in their hands or a bow and arrow”. on that same topic, Jacopo Borges, one of Venezuela’s most beloved artists said “si, there is racial prejudice here, but you will never hear anyone say anything publicly. it just isn’t done. you would be ridiculed.”
one of the side benefits of all of this is all of the beautiful people there, especially the women! so many! unbelieveable!
dmac @ 308
ah. noted.
wigwam @ 306
In other words, a ‘True Believer’?!!! ;-)
Suzanne @ 294
If you want some tips on “visualization”, drop me a line via Facebook …
… I’d be only too glad to help in any way I can, someone of your character and fortitude.
Petrocelli @ 219
I whole heartedly agree.
These fools have nobody to blame but themselves. And they don’t and never will get that.
Petrocelli @ 314
Since we are all in wierdspace anyway, “my” read on suzanne and the house is that she is NOT supposed to sell it. she needs to stay there, and find another way to do so besides selling the house. (Okay, where’s the padded cell. I like my thorazine with vodka and lemon, thanks.)
Yeah, i’m not familiar with everythign on the First Nations issue so i watch a bit from the sidelines. As for the passport? I have one and i’m renewing it, but it’s because i WANT to renew it. So i can travel overseas again. I may even seek to see if i can get Canadian citizenship or go dual (if it’s still possible). I do need to check in to see if that fast track for adoptees of canadians was ever passed though. This is home, but so is ontario. There’s also the fact that i dont’ feel comfortable here as i could be. The undercurrent scares me on an instinctive level. I felt the undercurrents for 9/11 building in 98, something else is going to happen regardless of what happens in DC. Then again, i’m a musician at heart, and the US is not kind to artists anymore. You have to be a celeb or you’re nothing. Not my game and i won’t play it.
Gods, its almost 5am. I gotta get to bed! Stayed up a LOT later than i thought i would!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 305
Anyone care to speculate a time line – it appears thing could be very fast moving once set in motion. And do I have this straight: if Cheney goes down first Speaker Pelosi is standing in the wings to become VP and possibly emerge as acting president?
Petrocelli @ 309
Damn It! We need a fence! C’mon, we can’t let those French Separatists infiltrate New England! Nor let all that BC Electric cross the border!!! Wake Up, America!!! *g*
dmac @ 308
It’s not the stop, look and listen … I’ve done that … it’s really the opposite of arrogance … not that I’m dissatisfied with my accomplishments … rather not seeing them as anything great.
My whole life, people would say what a great soul I am, what a great person I would grow up to be … but I didn’t think anything of it, like well if I am able to do so, I shouldn’t expect any less of myself.
Then my first daughter was born … and it hit me … as I held her for the first time, I remembered all those people’s words and agreed that if I was the father of this little goddess, then yes, I must be very special …
newspaperbrat @ 318
I don’t think so. If the President goes down, the VP becomes president and the VP slot is open. If the VP goes down by himself, the P has to nominate a new VP and the senate confirms it. That is how Gerald Ford became the only unelected President and Norman Rockefeller the only unelected Vice President in our history.
If BOTH the VP and P are gone at once, then the speaker of the house takes over according to the law UNLESS the rethugs have changed it and not told us, which rumor suggests they may have. We need to the the lake lawyers on that, ASAP. But pelosi does not automatically become VP if cheney goes. the process is different.
I’ve got to start a new piece this weekend, called Nice Work Kid. Don’t Come Back. about when I stole a guy’s gillnet set – Barney’s Hole – when he left the spot during a tsunami alert. 32 years ago. Or maybe it was 31 – I’m not quite sure. I should have written the date down in my journal, but, for some reason, I didn’t. Now I get to make some music up about it. For flute, soprano saxophone, two trumpets, trombone and violoncello. For these folks.
What Petro, no comment on my 304 or 319! :-(
Petrocelli @ 320
while to me, that experience was incredily humbling. Looking down at that trusting little face, my first thought was, “WHAT THE HELL DO I KNOW ABOUT RAISING A CHILD? HEEEELLLLPPPPPPPPP!”
Ed*ard Teller @ 322
What is a gillnet set?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 316
I concur with you, however I am in no position to help her stay there at present.
However I feel with enough visualization, Suz will attract what is best for her.
I’d give
2a beer to see her face when she reads this tomorrow morning … *g*Petrocelli @ 326
I’m planning on hiding, myself. (sneaks behind ice machine…)
CTuttle @ 304
Sorry I missed this comment, buddy … yes we have a lot in common with each other …
… which we’ll flesh out soon in Paradise, over ice cold beers … *g*
Petrocelli @ 326
Aah, to be a fly on the screen!!!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 310
I picked this nom de blog because of two reasons – I’m working on an opera about Project Chariot, which was going to be the real E. Teller’s demonstration project for building a new Panama Canal with hydrogen bombs, and for closing off the Straits of Gibralter to create a gigantic inland sea. When I stared working on it, back in 1991 through 1993, I corresponded with him and grew to like him. At the same time, I had this enormous loathing for what he really was as a man compared to Sakharov or Oppenheimer, for instance.
The other reason is that I like being a teller of stories here. My life has been as much a series of mishaps as anything else, but believe deeply they amount to something worth sharing.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 321
AFAIK, you’ve got it right. But watch who can pardon whom and when.
If both slots are simultaneously open, Nancy becomes president!!!
Petrocelli @ 328
Didn’t you see my pout the other night? All that talk about sushi!!! *g*
Good nite and thanks for an unforgetable late nite with you extraordinary firepups. Will reread in the morn to make sure I didn’t dream this remarkable evening at the lake. ;~)
wigwam @ 331
What I heard was, first they impeach Chin-ey, then refuse to confirm Bush’s appointed VP and in the meantime prepare to impeach Bush … or is this a wet dream ?
Ed*ard Teller @ 330
yes. i’m with you now. fascinating. you and i agree on so many things, even if we approach them from different directions. What do you see as the basic flaw in Teller versus Oppenheimer and Sakharov? I would like to see if it matches my (admittedly far less informed) conclusion?
And isn’t music the ultimate story telling device? words engage the mind, but music engages the gestalt, the being, the “soul”. I literally consume music like i do food or oxygen or water, if I am cut off from it for very long i start to wither and die. But I can’t compose, much as I would love to. I can only delight in someone who can paint with sound, as it were…
newspaperbrat @ 333
Nite, NPB!!!
wigwam @ 331
as far as I understand it, yes. Doesn’t the pardon power end when someone is impeached (ie they cannot pardon while impeached?)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 325
A gillnetter is a small fishing vessel – usually between 26 and 42 feet long – which lays out a nylon net behind it in the ocean. The net, usually less than 30 feet deep and about 300 yards long, is bouyed at the surface to hang down vertically along its length. The boat and net drift together until it is time to reel it back aboard, hopefully with a load of fish ensnared. Each time the fisher lays the net out, it is called a “set.” The term “set” can also refer to a regular place where a fisher makes the move.
CTuttle @ 336
sleep well. the local thunderkarries are expected to blow out to sea tonight…things will be much more peaceful tomorrow…(G)
CTuttle @ 332
LOL !!!
I read it the following morning … I’ll only be meeting them if I get to see Louise Hay in San Diego …
… I’m coming to Hawaii for the Marley LoveFest even if I have to swim there !!! *g*
Ed*ard Teller @ 338
And how did you acquire this again?
newspaperbrat @ 333
Ciao, NPB !
Alfred Kelgarries @ 335
Group hug, guys … music, food & love transcend all boundaries, within and without …
Hey CT, get in on this virtual, non- sexual group hug !!! *g*
Petrocelli @ 340
Ahso, I thought so!!! *g*
newspaperbrat @ 333
Please read the Pun Fest from earlier in the day … it should be gilded and framed for posterity …
Petrocelli @ 343
I’m There!!! *g*
alfred at 307says:
if that was to me, you’re right. i’m a 12 year old boy who has grown old but never grown up. And dream interpretation is a skill i’ve only recently had to learn, to keep myself sane after the death of my wife. but there was a heavy underlayer that I saw, one possibly indicating a joyous but very intense change possible in the future. OTOH, I may be full of little red beans.
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yes, that is what happened, and why i felt the need to post it……i saw the pattern of my life……the parts that work……and why they are important……in the big picture…..
so, that will create the change i needed……
and what ((((spiderpaws)))) said adds to the parts i need to attack next……
and you’re only full of little red beans if that’s what you ate for a midnight snack……
oh wow, the first bird just sent out the wake-up alarm outside!!!!!!!
man, was it loud! breaking the night stillness, am gonna have to go back to bed soon.
will hang out for a little while longer…..then fade out.
thanks all,
i love late nite,
love you,
dayna
dmac @ 347
… love you too … *smack* (big kiss)
petro at 343 says:
Group hug, guys … music, food & love transcend all boundaries, within and without …
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THAT’S WHAT MY DREAM WAS ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!
add old geography books, a shortwave radio, and that was about it.
hugs
Alfred Kelgarries @ 341
Acquire what? Barney’s set? The USCG issued a tsunami alert for what was termed a magnitude 7 event off Cape Yakataga. They advised the Copper River fleet to get out beyond at least the 25-fathom (150 feet depth) line. Most boats left. It was almost low water and the biggest part of the King Salmon run was about to hit Softuk Bar, where Barney had hogged the primo spot so long it was called “Barney’s Hole.”
I was getting ready to pick up my net and go to deep water when I saw Barney, through a couple of rows of breakers, doing the same. After I picked up the net and Barney raced by, I went in, layed out the net in “Barney’s Hole”, and caught enough King Salmon to sink my boat twice. It took hours to get them out of the net, delivered to a buyer nearby and finish off. When Barney got back – the Tsunami never happened, he said “Nice work, kid. Don’t come back!”
dmac @ 349
It was a reminder that you can transcend all boundaries, even the self- imposed ones … IIRC … sorry I could not focus on a chat with you … not that you needed my input … nite nite …
Ed*ard Teller @ 350
Now THAT is a beautiful story. But it is my last for tonight. I just woke up after dozing off again at the keyboard. Again, apologies to anyone offended or upset by anything I typed tonight, i’m certain it was due to a combination of prozac, fatigue poisons, and anything else I can find to blame.
And the pun festival was astounding. a work o fart. (poof)
5:18 a.m. in Toronto, I should get some shut eye before the house gets filled with crazy, marauding children … G’nite all !!!
Alfred,
Like Suzanne said, your experiences and viewpoints are valuable. I’m not quite sure why you’re concerned about upsetting a bunch of bloggers who are so intent upon upsetting the whole fucking complacency paradigm. Later, AK…
Having read Lew’s excellent update earlier, I was further heartened to read about this on ScotusBlog:
http://www.scotusblog.com/mova……html#more
All of this coupled with the noise that Gitmo maybe shut down, gives me hope for the future!!!
Petrocelli @ 353
Nite, Mi Amigo!!!
Nite, AK!!!
Hey, CTuttle – last doggies standing,eh?
Ed*ard Teller @ 358
It seems to be! ;-)
….whilst some other doggies are just arising.
CTuttle @ 359
Hey, we’re in the same Time Zone, different Latitudes tho…!!!
retirin’ in five @ 360
uh oh, here comes fresh trouble. Mornin’ retirin’ in five!
retirin’ in five @ 360
True, I’ve noticed the Early Birds soon take over from the Night Owls here on the Lake! Morning!!!
CTuttle @ 363
Ya got any fresh coffee? I could brew you a pot of Kona Coffee! Best damn java around!!!
Twolf1 should be here soon. Later Marion from Savannah serves breakfast. Interesting screen name Ed*ward Teller. Is there a story behind that name that you might care to divulge? Just curious.
retirin’ in five @ 365
Actually, he divulged it on this very thread!
Some nights – not often enough, though, the Aussies and Kiwis almost start taking this place over about now. I wish more non-Anglo culture Pacific Ocean commenters would show up here about now too. I’d like to find a decent blog that follows the sun or the night around the planet, passing the latest information of the world around the globe. I suppose there’s one out there, but i haven’t found it yet.
retirin’ in five @ 365
#330. Bill Clinton stole the “W”
Thanks ET. I seem to recall from previous posts you had some expertise in things nuclear and that explains it. Quite a range — opera to nuclear.
spiderpaws:
i typed back a long response, but i don’t see it on the thread……musta got lost…….
thank you.
signing off for now.
happy saturday everybody.
retirin’ in five @ 369
The breadth and width of knowledge here at the Lake continues to astound me! Ain’t it Grand!!!
retirin’ in five @ 369
I might have been the first to start the nuclear-opera connection, but I wasn’t the first to finish it.
dmac @ 370
Ta-ta! dmac!!!
CTuttle @ 371
and the heighth and depth. My comment on Suzanne’s thread juggling, earlier…
Ed*ard Teller @ 374
LOL! I told Suz it was like herding cats! I like your analogy too!!!
the stairs or the elevator? nite, pups.
Lot of smart people hang at the lake. I lurk here in hopes some of that smart might wear off onto me. So far, no luck.
Well, it is that time again, where I bid a fond adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!! 8-)
Good morning, pups. The NYT today has Timothy Egan detailing some of the damage W’s public lands policies have done, and Bob Herbert is scared of the prospect of Billionaire Bloomberg running for president.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are all hot and ready, and there’s some French toast made with the last of a loaf of challah. The maple syrup is the real deal from Vermont, and the honey is local, from the Savannah Bee Company. Enjoy.
Good morning all! and especially Marion – my Walls-o-Water kept my tomatoes relatively happy through a miserable cold spring, but I don’t know as how I’m any farther ahead. Just starting to set fruit. Of course, it’s been a cool summer so far. This may be one of the legendary Maine one-day summers.
Wish I weren’t doin’ the lo-carb thing. French toast is my fave. And real maple syrup (Maine-made or from the People’s Republic of Vermont) is the ONLY kind.
Off to a morning of spaying/neutering cats and dogs. Sorry, sometimes, that my license does not allow me to do the same for any number of Young Republicans.
And thanks so much for the ongoing NYT firewall subversion.
ixnay, it’s my pleasure!
Mornin’ all!
Sorry if previously posted:
Santorum involved in movie project
-my eyes are already bleeding…
k, this will surely get lost in this thread but man there is tons os shit going on today;
former aids tell bush to ignore subpeona
the president says cheney doesn’t have to follow his executtive order
and he says he doesn’t have to follow the executive order either
gonna be a long saturday
Good morning! Dick Cheney leaves the Planet for Higher Ground at http://imissfaf.blogspot.com/.
Sample: “Engineers at the Central Intelligence Space Agency have informed the National Archives that the Vice President’s office is no longer an ‘entity within the executive branch,’ but that it is now an independant multibillion-dollar satellite program orbiting planet Earth. The move comes after House investigators learned that the Information Security Oversight Office requested access to conduct a security inspection of the VP’s office.
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Ed*ard Teller @ 367
Back in the early days of The Agonist – especially the months leading into invading Iraq – was like that. I’d go to bed (didn’t want to!) talking to people from the other side of the world. It was just freakin’ amazing!
Re: Attorney’s Advice..Ignore. I got a similiar sort of reply from my Sen. Hutchison after I had sent her a note about the no-confidence vote. Her reply informed me that AG serves at the “behest” of the Pres.; I was so pleased that she reminded me of that simple fact since it completely fails to address his (meaning both, I guess) failure and lies and memory deficits. Thank you snarky Kay.
Hey, Maru! Goddess of Snark! I’ll have whatever you’re having.
Great to see you here! I haven’t been by your blog in a while, so this is a timely reminder to go and visit! Again, welcome.