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		<title>By: MCD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777741</link>
		<dc:creator>MCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One thing to smile about.  Supposedly, THE  most important thing to Bush is his “legacy”.  Yes, he became Pres thru the machinations of Rove, Cheney, et al… however, he has let them completely destroy his “legacy”.  There is absolutely nothing good that can be said about his presidency.  He WILL go down in history as the worst pres ever and he can thank Rove, Cheney &amp; Gonzo for that distinction.  Hail to the Moron!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to smile about.  Supposedly, THE  most important thing to Bush is his “legacy”.  Yes, he became Pres thru the machinations of Rove, Cheney, et al… however, he has let them completely destroy his “legacy”.  There is absolutely nothing good that can be said about his presidency.  He WILL go down in history as the worst pres ever and he can thank Rove, Cheney &amp; Gonzo for that distinction.  Hail to the Moron!</p>
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		<title>By: x00</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777677</link>
		<dc:creator>x00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This ISOO scandal is about US Code Title 44, Chapter 22 violation(s). EO 12958 noncompliance is the tip of the iceberg.  Look closely at:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–EO Executive Order 12958-Classified National Security Information which governs how the ISOO will enforce US Code Title 44 statutes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/eo-12958-amendment.html&quot;&gt;http://www.archives.gov/isoo/p.....dment.html&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–US Title 44, Chapter 22 Presidential records.  Highlights:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–Proscribes the requirement to preserve documents of “historic” significant documents, discussions, deliberations regardless of classification (Sec 2203)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–The President may not destroy items without National Archivist approval (Sec 2203)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–”&lt;b&gt;Vice-Presidential records shall be subject to the provisions of this chapter in the same manner as Presidential records&lt;/b&gt;.” (Sec 2207)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title44/chapter22_.html&quot;&gt;www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title44/chapter22_.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So this scandal is not about the ISOO.  It is about the OVP attempt to escape US CODE 44, specifically chapter 22 oversight.  I think the executive may exempt itself from Executive Orders.  They may not exempt themselves from the US Code Title 44.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ISOO is set up to ensure that the executive branch and its agencies properly classify information, control classified information and &lt;b&gt;properly preserve information for eventual transfer to the National Archivist at the conclusion of the Presidential and Vice Presidential terms&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When government organizations handle classified items they must document:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–the creation/receipt of the item&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–more important the destruction of classified information.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Detailed records are kept of classfied item destruction because if you can’t prove you burned it–you go to jail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;According to Title 44, &lt;b&gt;the Archivist has final say on which items the President and Vice President can destroy&lt;/b&gt;, regardless of classification.  To destroy anything they have to give the National Archivist a heads up and then wait for his office’s explicit permission.  &lt;b&gt;So any item destruction should have a document from the Archivist authorizing it&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the ISOO properly conducted a on site inspection, unlawful destruction would be easily discovered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which is why the OVP stop cooperating in 2003?  I surmise that as it became clear that WMD were not to be found, the OVP started a “shredding frenzy”.  Thereby destroying documents of “historical significance” in direct violation of US Code Title 44.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Bush/Cheney administrations have spent 6 years make “their own reality” it comes as no surprise that they want to create “their own history”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the very long post, but I routinely handled highly classified material during my career Title 44/ security/retention requirements.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ISOO scandal is about US Code Title 44, Chapter 22 violation(s). EO 12958 noncompliance is the tip of the iceberg.  Look closely at:</p>
<p>–EO Executive Order 12958-Classified National Security Information which governs how the ISOO will enforce US Code Title 44 statutes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/eo-12958-amendment.html">http://www.archives.gov/isoo/p&#8230;..dment.html</a>  </p>
<p>and</p>
<p>–US Title 44, Chapter 22 Presidential records.  Highlights:</p>
<p>–Proscribes the requirement to preserve documents of “historic” significant documents, discussions, deliberations regardless of classification (Sec 2203)</p>
<p>–The President may not destroy items without National Archivist approval (Sec 2203)</p>
<p>–”<b>Vice-Presidential records shall be subject to the provisions of this chapter in the same manner as Presidential records</b>.” (Sec 2207)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title44/chapter22_.html">http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title44/chapter22_.html</a></p>
<p>So this scandal is not about the ISOO.  It is about the OVP attempt to escape US CODE 44, specifically chapter 22 oversight.  I think the executive may exempt itself from Executive Orders.  They may not exempt themselves from the US Code Title 44.</p>
<p>The ISOO is set up to ensure that the executive branch and its agencies properly classify information, control classified information and <b>properly preserve information for eventual transfer to the National Archivist at the conclusion of the Presidential and Vice Presidential terms</b>.</p>
<p>When government organizations handle classified items they must document:</p>
<p>–the creation/receipt of the item</p>
<p>–more important the destruction of classified information.  </p>
<p>Detailed records are kept of classfied item destruction because if you can’t prove you burned it–you go to jail.</p>
<p>According to Title 44, <b>the Archivist has final say on which items the President and Vice President can destroy</b>, regardless of classification.  To destroy anything they have to give the National Archivist a heads up and then wait for his office’s explicit permission.  <b>So any item destruction should have a document from the Archivist authorizing it</b>.</p>
<p>If the ISOO properly conducted a on site inspection, unlawful destruction would be easily discovered.</p>
<p>Which is why the OVP stop cooperating in 2003?  I surmise that as it became clear that WMD were not to be found, the OVP started a “shredding frenzy”.  Thereby destroying documents of “historical significance” in direct violation of US Code Title 44.  </p>
<p>The Bush/Cheney administrations have spent 6 years make “their own reality” it comes as no surprise that they want to create “their own history”.</p>
<p>Sorry for the very long post, but I routinely handled highly classified material during my career Title 44/ security/retention requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Get Tough</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777650</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Tough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And because I personally favor the enlightenment era and the rule of law/reason, and not any particular political affiliation, I WANT EVERY CANDIDATE, DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN, TO DENOUNCE THESE SORT OF CHENEYISMS.  I think they are dangerous no matter which party is in power.  There is a universality in the Constitution, and the Founders envisioned this sort of attack on the Constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is not an elitist position, and frankly I am tired of the republicans’ talking points stating that very thing.  The United States as we know it have only been around for a little over 200 years.  It is not guaranteed that this country, as it exists today, will perpetuate for ages to come.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And because I personally favor the enlightenment era and the rule of law/reason, and not any particular political affiliation, I WANT EVERY CANDIDATE, DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN, TO DENOUNCE THESE SORT OF CHENEYISMS.  I think they are dangerous no matter which party is in power.  There is a universality in the Constitution, and the Founders envisioned this sort of attack on the Constitution.</p>
<p>This is not an elitist position, and frankly I am tired of the republicans’ talking points stating that very thing.  The United States as we know it have only been around for a little over 200 years.  It is not guaranteed that this country, as it exists today, will perpetuate for ages to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Get Tough</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777640</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Tough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is dangerous.  Not to sound like Chicken Little, but what happens when 2009 rolls around, and Dick must leave his suite?  If he is making fundamentally absurd remarks like this now…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scowcroft, Weinberger and other H.W. Bushies have stated in the press numerous times that the Dick they know is gone.  He literally has gone to the dark side.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Impeachment must start with Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is dangerous.  Not to sound like Chicken Little, but what happens when 2009 rolls around, and Dick must leave his suite?  If he is making fundamentally absurd remarks like this now…..</p>
<p>Scowcroft, Weinberger and other H.W. Bushies have stated in the press numerous times that the Dick they know is gone.  He literally has gone to the dark side.</p>
<p>Impeachment must start with Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: xargaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777465</link>
		<dc:creator>xargaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-776435&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Michael Scott @ 234&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dear Dick:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you and Addington really think this bullshit is gonna fly?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look up “interposition” sometime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sincerely,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no federal judiciary. That is precisely why Bush is keeping Gonzo. As long as Gonzo is AG, there is no DOJ in America. The DOJ is a campaign agency to remove Democratic voters from the rolls and nothing else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Federal Judiciary&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-776435"><em>Michael Scott @ 234</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Dick:</p>
<p>Do you and Addington really think this bullshit is gonna fly?</p>
<p>Look up “interposition” sometime.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>There is no federal judiciary. That is precisely why Bush is keeping Gonzo. As long as Gonzo is AG, there is no DOJ in America. The DOJ is a campaign agency to remove Democratic voters from the rolls and nothing else.</p>
<p>The Federal Judiciary</p>
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		<title>By: bhatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777403</link>
		<dc:creator>bhatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am interested in the Bloomberg thinking, per my above query about him.  OUr local paper carried an editorial about him and was fairly cautionary, ex. being less than candid about his intentions while saying one thing publicly and something else in private; that his bipartisan-get along-ship is illusory in that he is always quite left in his decisions and staff choices,etc.  Anyway, thanks for your post and I guess we will see what comes to be revealed about Bloomberg.  I will be quite refreshed if he manages to inject alot of truth into the debate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in the Bloomberg thinking, per my above query about him.  OUr local paper carried an editorial about him and was fairly cautionary, ex. being less than candid about his intentions while saying one thing publicly and something else in private; that his bipartisan-get along-ship is illusory in that he is always quite left in his decisions and staff choices,etc.  Anyway, thanks for your post and I guess we will see what comes to be revealed about Bloomberg.  I will be quite refreshed if he manages to inject alot of truth into the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777264</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I get the impression I’m considered a troll. It may be we are not a good fit. The main post discusses the imperial Dick. A few comments state the obvious, that he should be impeached. The Democrats seem to have no stomach for that.  The great majority of the posts in this string are attempts at humor or conviviality. Conviviality doesn’t mean much to me. One lady for reasons she did not make clear, feels sorry for me and mine. That doesn’t matter either. I see the nation as halfway down the slippery slope and gaining speed. Nothing is more important than that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The question of whether the nation is sliding down the slippery slope is a prediction. Most of what we believe are predictions.  Since none of us has a perfect crystal ball, one guess is good as another. Some think the surge will work, others like myself don’t. We wait until September to find out who is correct. The same is true of any sense of urgency concerning our nation. Some say “this too shall pass.” Others worry about martial law. One or the other will be right. The question is can we do anything to influence the outcome?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need some means to know each other’s mind. There’s no question just about any Democrat is preferrable to just about any republican, so when someone says “get involved” as a solution to our problems, they must mean work for the Democrats although the Democrats had a big win in 2006 with somewhat less than satisfactory results.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which, though a bit off topic, but illustrates what I am driving at, brings me to Michael Bloomberg. I think he’s the best of the lot in either party. I don’t think he means to be a spoiler. I expect if he runs, and I think he will, he will be for immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The real question is can he persuade the bible belt and others that a Jew as president might not be that bad, and can he persuade enough voters to get elected? I would not want to vote for him and find us with another four years of republican rule. That is why we need a way to exchange ideas forthrightly and honestly before November 2008. Comment strings, for the most part, are not it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the impression I’m considered a troll. It may be we are not a good fit. The main post discusses the imperial Dick. A few comments state the obvious, that he should be impeached. The Democrats seem to have no stomach for that.  The great majority of the posts in this string are attempts at humor or conviviality. Conviviality doesn’t mean much to me. One lady for reasons she did not make clear, feels sorry for me and mine. That doesn’t matter either. I see the nation as halfway down the slippery slope and gaining speed. Nothing is more important than that.</p>
<p>The question of whether the nation is sliding down the slippery slope is a prediction. Most of what we believe are predictions.  Since none of us has a perfect crystal ball, one guess is good as another. Some think the surge will work, others like myself don’t. We wait until September to find out who is correct. The same is true of any sense of urgency concerning our nation. Some say “this too shall pass.” Others worry about martial law. One or the other will be right. The question is can we do anything to influence the outcome?</p>
<p>We need some means to know each other’s mind. There’s no question just about any Democrat is preferrable to just about any republican, so when someone says “get involved” as a solution to our problems, they must mean work for the Democrats although the Democrats had a big win in 2006 with somewhat less than satisfactory results.</p>
<p>Which, though a bit off topic, but illustrates what I am driving at, brings me to Michael Bloomberg. I think he’s the best of the lot in either party. I don’t think he means to be a spoiler. I expect if he runs, and I think he will, he will be for immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The real question is can he persuade the bible belt and others that a Jew as president might not be that bad, and can he persuade enough voters to get elected? I would not want to vote for him and find us with another four years of republican rule. That is why we need a way to exchange ideas forthrightly and honestly before November 2008. Comment strings, for the most part, are not it.</p>
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		<title>By: KestrelBrighteyes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777256</link>
		<dc:creator>KestrelBrighteyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OOPS - I see Six of Seven @ 244 is ahead of me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry ’bout that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOPS &#8211; I see Six of Seven @ 244 is ahead of me.</p>
<p>Sorry ’bout that.</p>
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		<title>By: KestrelBrighteyes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777255</link>
		<dc:creator>KestrelBrighteyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;UPDATE!!!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now Bush says HE TOO is exempt from his own executive order:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_claims_hes_exempt_from_security_0622.html&quot;&gt;http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0622.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>UPDATE!!!</b></p>
<p>Now Bush says HE TOO is exempt from his own executive order:</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_claims_hes_exempt_from_security_0622.html">http://rawstory.com/news/2007/&#8230;.._0622.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: barrelhse</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/22/the-imperial-vice-presidency/#comment-777246</link>
		<dc:creator>barrelhse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;REVOLUTION&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REVOLUTION</p>
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