Earlier this week, Frontline had another in its continuing series of documentary examinations of the aftermath of 9/11, the messes that are Afghanistan and Iraq, and the decision-making or lack thereof that has taken us to this point. This particular episode was entitled “Endgame,” and it was put together as an examination of what has gone wrong and why in Iraq via interviews with policymakers, former military commanders and some of the journalists who cover them. (If you missed the show, you can view it in its entirety online.)
I missed the television broadcast, but have been going back through the show and some of the ancillary interviews on the website as time permits me this week, and I have to say that some of the statements – especially those from Frederick Kagan – are just stunning in their fundamental lack of understanding of the full range of issues at play in terms of national security and diplomatic considerations for the long term, versus the immediate need to apparently just blow things up out of spite.
Especially in the context of the following:
Under ordinary circumstances, terrorism holds no appeal to the overwhelming majority of any society. People are not by nature extremists. In fact, with rare exceptions, people are indifferent to the angry ranting of a fanatic.The reason is simple: The terrorist’s view of the world is not widely shared. The wrongs that cut him to the quick do not offend his compatriots or stir them to action. His political ends are dismissed as illegitimate, his violent means assailed as crimes. Instead of being welcomed as a hero, he is vilified. The fate of many a violent extremist is to die in prison, disillusioned and alone, the world as unconcerned with his cause as it had ever been.
But occasionally, fortune smiles on the extremist, granting him the credibility he craves. Ironically, the extremist rarely has anything to do with this change. Instead, it happens when the society he attacks pursues policies that vindicate his venom. To his satisfaction, reality comes to resemble what he has long decried. His vision begins to acquire substance where once it was fantasy. Those around him – long unmoved by his platform – awaken to see the world as he has described it. Gradually, the lifeblood of any state – its moral legitimacy – ebbs from the society to the terrorist, whose message no longer seems so extreme.
So it has become with the war on terror. Noble declarations of American rhetoric can’t conceal reality on the ground: seemingly endless detentions of innocent prisoners; “enhanced interrogation techniques” that many believe to be torture; black sites where prisoners “disappear”; renditions to countries that practice what the US cannot.
In the end, the US approach to combating terrorism has given Islamic radicalism the greatest gift of all: evidence to support the argument that America has abandoned the rule of law. And so the call to jihad has achieved a currency that was all but unthinkable before Sept. 11. By most accounts, Al Qaeda numbered only a few hundred people on that fateful day. Now its numbers and the numbers in sympathetic groups can barely be counted, so attractive has its message become.
In a few short years in office, George Bush has managed to undercut the very foundations of lawful societies and of cohesive objection to the lawlessness which underpins the chaos of terror. Through a concerted campaign of fundamental disrespect for the rule of law. Through a lack of understanding and respect for the norms that civilized nations across the globe have put forth for generations as ideals toward which all decent people should strive. Through a foreign policy based on some variation of “my way or else – yee haw.” And the results, as shown by the multiplying numbers among those who would fight against our nation are nothing short of catastrophic.
It is the lack of respect for the rule of law, across the board, which the Bush Administration has pushed in every aspect of its policy decisions. Truly, it has been “l’etat, c’est moi” far too often – and one only need look to the exhortations of conservative legal acolytes of the Addington mold in today’s LATimes urging the President onward in his fight to refuse Congressional oversight into the politicization of the Justice Department to see the short-sightedness of such ideologically based unreality.
Honestly, do these people think that it is in the best interest of the Bushies and of the GOP to drag out the Congressional investigation into this wrongdoing — inch by measly inch, all summer long as they pull out one damaging revelation after another in a drip, drip, drip of investigation? Are they altogether daft? Or has Republican policy become so mired in playing to the Bush and Cheney egos that the good of the party as a whole has been subsumed with “keeping Bush happy, whatever the cost” (and by extension, covering Rove’s behind, which clearly keeps Bush happy)?
By all means, call the Congressional bluff, oh ye of idiotic strategy. Please. Make my day, because I’m certain that Sen. Leahy has more subpoenas if he needs them.
The pattern of “too many fingers in too many pies” for politicization reasons is pervasive among the Bush Administration. From Sen. Whitehouse’s DOJ chart to the fact that the undercover agents at the CIA and elsewhere do not trust their own government to keep their own secrets:
He added that members of the executive branch needed to be more disciplined about protecting classified information.“Far too many people,” Mr. Rizzo said, “know far too much.”
From Laurita Doan at the GSA, to Bradley Schlozman at the DOJ’s civil rights division, all the way to the latest Dick Cheney claim of exemption from the laws which govern everyone else. The Bush Administration, every day, with every disrespectful end run of the rule of law, makes the case for the likes of Osama Bin Laden by becoming that which we are supposed to be fighting.
For shame. For all of us. We must find a way out of this together — because the blighted view of the Bush Administration of who we ought to be, of how we ought to act, and of how tightly they can control all of this cannot be allowed to stand. They are wrong. And it is time that we all — every one of us, liberal and conservative alike — stood up and said so. For our own safety, for our own history, and for all of the generations to come.
PS — This is just the sort of conversation that we will be having with Glenn Greenwald at Sunday’s Book Salon regarding his latest book, Tragic Legacy. I do hope that you all can join us for the chat — there are a lot of important issues that Glenn covers in the book that need much more public discussion. I’m hoping the Book Salon will only be a first step in that — in all of the days ahead.
(Photo of trees beginning to bud via Bekah Stargazing. Beautiful shot — love the perspective. H/T to reader WB for a couple of the links above.)



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Christy!
zunoed?
Ah, missed it by THAT much…
We are going to be decades ondoing the damage to our national reputation caused by these idiots. And that assumes we can elect a string of reasonable, honorable administrations which is in no way a given.
Good Morning Christy.
Thank heaven Frontline programs remain available after airing on the telly. It has always been a valuable series, never more than now, imo.
Morning all — just pouring a new cuppa coffee and settling in to finish working up a post on Judge Walton’s memorandum opinion. How is everyone this morning?
dakine01-Haven’t gotten a zed since Libby was convicted-I’m a happy camper today. BTW, Christy will you have a piece on the SCOTUS decision on the Rita sentencing? Nina Totenberg called it bad for Libby on NPR this AM.
WaPo linky-thingy:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..eheadlines
Please forgive the OT from today’s Boston globe. It seems that MItt has a state cop wanna be problem.
mornin Redd. just a quick driveby between meetings (gotta get that 2nd cuppa). nothing new on PACER. will check again at lunchtime. oh, and Reggie seems to agree that Robbins is all wet on the Appointment Clause issue (hehe – love those footnotes!)
Thanks, CHS. I put this, o/t, in the thread before, but I got it from the comments section of WaPo about Cheney’s claim that he isn’t part of the Executive Branch. From someone called critter69, I thought it would appeal to FDL…
But what can we do…….. I was on the streets a few times in the 60s (not enough, in retrospect!), but where are the passionate today? Then the media were not inextricably tied to the origin of the problem, of course. Being helpless is deeply frustrating, because there is no public will being fomented into action.
Even the likes of Nina Totenberg are torn because it is their equivalent of the Mafia who are behind it all.
I am never surprised at the level of disrespect that this administration has for the laws and traditions of our democracy. It is fundamental to their conservative ideals that all government is bad, therefore what ever they chose to do is better.
It does amaze me that we elect people to run our country who doesn’t believe that government can be a force for good in the lives of its citizens. That would seem to be a clear reason to exclude them from public service.
So many sticks to the craw, I feel like a pin cushion. But it is still Cheney that sticks the worst. At least his idea that the VP office is somehow outside the executive branch (can you even imagine the gall!) is being met with some serious resistance from Mr. Waxman. Go Henry!
“Bush Blight” reminds me that I have to go out and spray the roses.
Good morning, Christy et al.
The whole problem with our “War on Terra” has been that we acted based on what felt good to George W. Bush, not on what would, strategically, limit al qaeda’s effectiveness. OBL wanted to convince his potential recruits that the west was embarking on another crusade against Muslims, and we gave him the ammunition.
We have many messes to clean up, and it will be a long time before we come close- and that assumes we elect leaders who know how to clean it up.
Frankly, I prefer the drip by drip by drip method untill it becomes perfectly clear to anyone but the most biased and bigoted that the Bush administration has been the most corrupt in the history of the nation, that it is done more damage to the precious Constitution and Bill of Rights than any external enemy could hope. The evidence of this lawlessness should be gathered and held up before the entire nation’s eyes. Then there will be clarity where before, everything hidden, available to only those few “chosen.”
Someone mentioned downstairs the thought that, since cheney now claims not to be part of the Executive branch of government, he should be challenged somehow for daring to claim executive privilege.
What’s your take on this, please? His absolute arrogance leaves me slack-jawed. He CAN’T get away with all these abuses, can he?! It’s hard to think of anyone, in all our history, who has ever represented such a danger to our future.
There just has to be something that can be done, short of simply taking to the streets in protest. How can he be stopped?
Well, Lew, could we have a few bamboo shoots (e.g., Waxman’s memos) with that drip, drip, drip?
Given the current slim Democratic majorities in both branches of Congress, the only plausible way out is the 2008 election.
Do you expect that before the Iowa caucus this site will coalesce behind one presidential candidate?
Congrats on the zed mc.
Dedication pays off *g*
And, OT, but a fun smackdown, is Fred Kaplan’s Rudy evisceration in Slate. Gotta love this quote:
Really worth a look.
sofistic @ 18
er, well, ah, mmmmm, ahhh, verrrry inteeeresting!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
I’m still yawning despite seven hours of sleep and a large mocha, but hey, we’ve got the weekend for sleep. :-)
Nice piece, Christy!
Cheney must thrive on defying all rule. He hasn’t had a health event in ages.
Mutant Poodle 21
oh groan. we can’t stand another one. the world can’t stand another of those from this country.
Christy, I must say that the quality of your writing just keeps getting better.
What I was really thinking was how “effective” the CIA used to be in taking down its targets (from the soon to be released documents from the ’50’s thru ’70’s) and what has happened within the agency since then . . .
Phoenix Woman!
A chance to thank you in person! I’ve been enjoying your numerous columns of late. always informative and thought-provoking. ;->
Good morning Christy, how are you?
Bush Blight
Chenney Contamination
Rumsfeld Rot
Condi Corrosion
It starts at the top and seeps all the way down.
Christy, you ask:
I think that in the minds of many Americans, if the information drips out bit by bit, then they are unwilling/incapable of making the connections between the bits to see the big picture. Here at FDL (and other progressive blogs), you and the others are very adept at pulling these pieces together to help us see it.
I think the hope on the administration’s side is that if the American people see investigation after investigation, then the story in their minds will be “Democrats hate Bush – just look at all these investigations,” whereas, if you get it all out at once, it becomes easier to see how the pieces all fit.
Adie @ 17
I cannot imagine any twist, turn, backflip, or other contortion of law, logic, or physics that would enable cheney (a/k/a, imo, the antichrist) to simultaneously claim to be not in the exec. branch, AND claim entitlement to exec. privilege. But no doubt I’m missing something.
christy – that Joseph Margulies link is wonderful… i think i’m going to print it out and give it to everyone who tries to tell me that we have to choose between human rights and safety.
Gnome de Plume @ 24
MORE evidence of my theory……
Somehow it offends me when the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are referred to as “messes”. That just sounds too light! In my book the situations in Iraq caused by the U.S. Bush invasion of both those countries should be called what they are crimes against humanity, disasters, catastrophes! Messes?
This country will never recover from what we have done. I base that not only on my own observations and feelings but more on what I have heard expert after expert say.
We (our government, our military) are ultimately responsible for what the immoral and criminal Bush administration have inflicted upon both the Iraqi and Afghani people.
As Osama Bin Laden shared with British journalist Peter Bergen during an interview quite some years ago OBL said that he hoped to witness the U.S. become “a shadow of its former self”.
OBL’s dream seems to be coming true.
Gnome de Plume @ 24
maybe…
when he starts out claiming exec. privilege, then thinks it’s just hunky dory to carry on while pulling a switcheroo & claiming he’s not in the exec. branch….
no. i mean it. i’m seriously worried about just what’s going on there…
oddmommy @ 33
He needs a new battery in his pace maker. Not sure if that counts.
Kathleen: We will recover. Germany recovered, Japan recovered. It will take generations, though.
Are they altogether daft?
Hey – that’s one of those Q’s calling for “simple answers to simple questions”, isn’t it?
I am 63 and I never thought I would see what has happened to our country, over the past six years, occur in my life-time. I grew-up in the DC area and have been aware of national politics since 1950. The current situation is not Bush but the result of a building movement since the Goldwater defeat. It seems to me that this disaster is the result of a small group of people, with different agendas, who have all believe that their “end” justifies the means. The genius of Atwater and Rove and others was to mobilize and expand the influence of the “lizard brains” and to convince them to vote against their self-interest.
The question I have for the Dem candidates is: will they pledge to restore the “Rule of Law”.
It will take a huge amount of resources to prosecute the criminality that has occurred..I’m not optimistic.
Lew Koch @ 16
and it should be recorded in granite rock: sculpture and bas relief
When your world view is just me and you and by you I mean me .
When your experience is I Win I win I win !
When all your pals enjoy you like family
You are quite simply
a phenomenon
actuarially anomaly ,
Hail hail the gangs all jailed !
Millineryman @ 29
it’s a plague
sofistic at 26 — Aw, thanks. *blush* I was wondering if this even held together the way I wanted it to in a fresh read, versus reading it with all the background reading I did in the links. I’m glad it worked for you. :)
oddmommy @ 31
She’s my daughter (slap)
She’s my sister (slap)
She’s my daughter (slap)
My sister, my daughter. (slap)
She’s my sister AND my daughter.
The Chinatown justification.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
big yes.
GeorgeSimian @ 36
Cheney is a psychopath!
fiercesomefedder @ 41
Damn! We have a new drinking song in the making.
sofistic @ 47
and a celebration coming!
Permit me an EPU from late late night.
The SR-71 was developed from the YF-12A, a prototype fighter that was very fast, but lacked the maneuverability for air-to-air work. It was reconfigured for Strategic Reconnaissance. Then the new Cray supercomputers were used in the development of the current f-14, F-15, and F-16. I guess nobody wanted to fly in a F-13.
Planes with an “A” designation will be generally used for air-to-mud, close air support of ground troops.
kathleen @ 46
I’ll defer to those in the mental health profession, but if you cannot be both psychopath and sociopath, simultaneously, then I vote sociopath. The presumption there, though, is that one must be part of the human race in order to be sociopathic towards it.
Stratocruiser: Actually, I have always admired the A10.
Christy–I don’t know what you are putting in your morning coffee these days, but you have been on FIRE!
I really appreciate the in-depth posts here in general lately by scarecrow, Tula, PW et al. They are so good, that I feel there is nothing that I could possibly add, but I do read them carefully.
oddmommy @ 31
I agree with you. But that’s exactly what he’s reported to have said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06…..ey.html?hp
Not only would it not be within the realm of lawful acts, it’s not even remotely within what one would expect as a casual joke, bad or otherwise. It’s wayyyy beyond belief, unless there are underlying circumstances that are extremely disturbing to contemplate.
Who is in charge right now?
Fred Kagan so early in the morning! This fat neo-con pig does not have enough military experience to dig a latrine. But he is supposed to be an expert on war and Iraq and is actually setting the policy.
Philip Zelikow is one of the greatest liars ever to corrupt the US government. He lied and obstructed justice while “leading” the 9/11 Commission. He is a neo-con expert on government propaganda. He has no expertise on Iraq or the Military, but he has secretly been part of the Deconstruction of Iraq.
I am reading “Fiasco” by Thomas Ricks. Ricks documents how Wolfowitz, possibly more than anyone other than Bush/Cheney, caused the Iraq war.
If you spray the Bush Blight with truth, will it melt?
Frank33 at 54 — Ricks work in Fiasco is very detailed — and very infuriating. I came close to throwing that book across the room on several occasions as I was reading it. It’s a great read, for anyone who hasn’t picked it up yet — but do be forewarned that it will truly piss you off.
Do you think we’ll ever get a straight shooter in the WH again? A non-hypocrite for prez?
Moore (”SiCKO”)said after the premiere that movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, a personal friend and supporter of the Clintons whose company financed the film, “begged” him to remove a scene exposing Hillary Clinton as the second-highest recipient of campaign donations from the health-care industry.
Moore said he didn’t know whether the Clintons asked Weinstein to make the call.
After her health-care overhaul plan failed, Clinton went “silent” — as Moore put it — on the need for health-care changes. And then she began raking in the dough — big time — from the industry when she started running for office.
Running out the clock may keep scandals in the news longer. But it’s purpose is to keep the whole story from coming out as a coherent narrative. Any partial version, no matter how damning, would be less horrible than the whole story.
Let’s not forget (hortatory subjunctive?) that Karl is fundamentally a sociopathic marketer. He makes tobacco lobbyists look like choir boys. His specialty is a First World War-style war of attrition, with the same ready willingness to line opponents up in front of their home trenches while massed press attacks mow them down like political machine-gun bullets.
Karl abhors allowing his opponents to put their claims into sharp relief. He will have concluded that delayed revelations will prevent that. They will also exhaust the interest of Congress, the public, even bloggers. For many, this may be true, especially as the campaign season gets a renewed head of steam starting in January, only six months away.
A slightly OT OMG! Rahm Emanueal learns to snark:
Dick Dick Cheney, please move out of the White House!
Oh, good grief. Apparently, a WSJ op-ed by Dorothy Rabinowitz, of the editorial board is comparing Fitz with Nifong and attacking Judge Walton.
Someone just make these advocates of lawlessness go away.
There i go, jumping on the 3rd rail in yet another thread.
Sorry Christy. Sorry folks.
I’ll leave you to your proper topics, and go see if s’more thistles came up after yesterday’s wonderful rain…
i’m serious, and i’m not nuts. at least – being nuts has nothing to do with it… as it were…
I’d really like to see Democrats in Congress who think that there’s more to ‘job performance’ than lip-synching leftish slogans as they vote with the conservatives.
Adie @ 17
The real reason these radicals are able to get away with so much is that the one thing the Constitution presumes is a reasonably good-faith effort to play by the rules. My impression is that the framers were not so naive as to believe there would not be corruption and wrongdoing that would sometimes go unpunished, and they were certainly worried about a leader declaring himself king, but they didn’t envision leaders who would claim to be performing constitutional offices while claiming that any part of the Constitution they found inconvenient didn’t apply to them.
I’d say our best hope is that as the end of the Bush era approaches, more and more of their lackeys will realize that if they’re still around at the end when the rule of law is re-established, Bush will escape scot free and their asses will be on the line. I don’t think anywhere near enough of them will actually be punished, but at least if they resign and flee the approaching sunlight like cockroaches (as we’ve seen in the “Justice” Department), further damage can be limited.
Scarecrow at 60 — Yes, the Kenneth Starr cheerleading squad has apparently found a need to rein in scary prosecutors. Ahem. It is the single most appalling fact-twisted junk op-ed thus far on the subject — and considering the dreck that has poured forth from Toensing and Co., that is really saying something.
I know I sound pessimistic, but how does this country ever regain any integrity that we may have had? How does a country recover from the immoral creation of a situation where a million Iraqi people have been killed, 4 million are refugees and who knows how many are injured. How can we be forgiven for taking our eye off the stated goal in Afghanistan, and creating a enviroment where the Taliban is regaining power (I have a friend from Afghanistan is studying in the states who has a very large family in Kabul and talks to them weekly. It sounds like it is getting more dangerous day by day)
I believe the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots were well aware of the death and destruction that would take place in Iraq and Afghanistan. Micheal Ledeen’s “creative destruction” psychopathic horseshit!
I guess like the majority of Germans and others who ignored or took place in the genocide of 6 million Jews, 3 million Poles, a million Gypsies, handicapped, gay etc etc. we might be able to regain some territory! But for recovery or healing to take place our nation would have to recognize, admit, demonstrate true remorse and shame for what our military and the Bush administration have done via the invasions.
A 12 step program for our nation. It’s a long shot.
Otherwise our nation is hollow, without a conscience absent of soul. Most people around the world know this about the U.S. and fear us with good reason.
There are many dead Americans walking!
Christy and gang:
OT, and at the risk of giving you all a bigger headache, Dorothy Rabinowitz on the editorial page of today’s Wall Street Journal compares Patrick Fitzgerald to Mike Nifong (Duke Lacrosse team prosecutor) and pens another screed against the rule of law in the neocon PR effort to save poor Scooter. Also insults Judge Walton too (implies he’s ignorant!). (I’d link but it’s subscription only and why give them the traffic…)
We’ve subscribed for years because of the business news and have either ignored or laughed at the editorials. But no more. We’re “unsubscribing” today. (We figured when Rupert bought it we’d cancel, but we’re cancelling early.)
Let’s just say I hit a tipping point this morning–I’ll find my business news in other places. Ah, the power of the free market! *g*
Woodhall Hollow @ 59
Just saw Sen. Durbin on the floor, discussing the “4th branch”. As I watch this thing play out, I swing from the humor to the horror, and back.
I just hope that after Bush leaves office, if not before, the justice system will pursue this law breaker. Watergate was nothing compared to this guy.
earlofhuntingdon @ 58
This is undoubtedly the case; and, a most tragic reality that the evil marketing genius is quite probably correct. A dwindling of concern by attrition will be the greatest crime our era leaves to posterity.
Imagine when our grand children look back and say, “They allowed the concept of Habeas Corpus to be removed from the very foundation of their society and did no more than squawk about it for a few weeks until the new American Idol season started…!!!!!”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
And this, friends, is why I will not vote for Hillary. There is always a certain amount of corruption in government, but when it is so corrupt that people like Hillary (who blew health care) (and her husband, who gave us NAFTA)are our only choices, I will write in Micky Mouse before I vote for the current field of Dems. And I have a sneaking suspicion that I’m not the only one. If the Rethugs get in again as a result, well, then the democracy is over, and the American people will have to deal with that too….in a way that the wouldbe kings might not like, but that has been the way for hundreds of years. It is not a desireable way, but then…..if we all have to be gangsters to get anything, then I know a lot of people who are probably much better at it than anyone in Washington.
newtonusr @ 67
Me too, and I end up settling on revulsion.
Woodhall Hollow @ 59
when I first glanced at the sign, I thought it read “Barnacles on Government” *s*
The WSJ editor is in essense accusing Fitz of obstruction of justice:
Why is there not a consensus for Articles of Impeachment for Cheney? The simple fact that his COS was convicted of Obstruction of Justice should be evidence enough that he has engaged in High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
He is rogue. What do we know so far?
He bypassed normal channels and “cherry-picked” intelligence on WMD’s.
He held secret energy policy meetings that has resulted in the tripling of energy prices.
He refuses oversight by any agency.
Am I missing something? You can darn well bet that if Gore pulled anything like this, his behind would have been slapped with Impeachment so fast his head would spin.
Where is the courage to stand up to this?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
well… he is married… but if he does/doesn’t think he belongs, depending on whether it’s Tuesday or Thursday…. *adjusts foil hat*
Thank heaven for your presence at the Lake, OKK ;->
The Financial Times story about Rob Portman leaving the Bush Titanic was quite interesting.
Portman said they are many more departures to follow his.
Bush’s presidency is melting like that infamous cake left out in the rain.
Bush is now backtracking on everything. He’s negotiating one on one with the North Koreans…He’s considering closing Guantanimo Bay…Negotiating with insurgents…
He’s doing everything to revive his decaying legacy and the more he tries to embrace realpolitik the more his base fritters away claiming they’ve been stabbed in the back by a vacillating Bush.
Not a position of power or envy Mr. Rove, not in the least.
-GSD
Steve @ 39
Exactly!!
Scarecrow @ 73
really, you can’t make this stuff up
Scarecrow @ 73
No fair trying to make me lose my lunch before I’ve even had breakfast…
Scarecrow @ 73
It would really help if Fitzgerald could write a report, as Starr did after the ungodly Whitewater/Clenis fiasco. Apparently he didn’t because he as not authorized to do so via statute. I wonder if this is something Congress could repair. It would do a world of good if he were allowed to open up to the public the process of the investigation, including facts that he learned that he couldn’t prosecute and why.
I encourage everyone to read the Ricks interview. Also consider reading his Fiasco … for more background. I trust his sense of reality.
Another possibility would be to get him on FDL for an online chat/interview. Problem would be to ask intelligent questions and not flame him. Or, from another perspective, use him as an information source and not as a policy maker.
Quaker technique for dialog would be useful in this context … when someone says something get quiet for several minutes and really absorb what is being said and not just shoot from the hip.
George W. Bush, a fucking disgrace:
http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/
Please, W, go away. Just go the fuck away.
very good question. For example, re yesterday’s “good news”:
http://www.salon.com/politics/…..index.html
martha @ 66
The Financial Times. Much more reasoned analysis and that soothing orange paper color.
-GSD
Woodhall Hollow @ 80
I don’t think the folks at the WSJ care one iota for the truth. This is willful, knowing distortion and character assassination of both Fitz and Walton. Truly dispicable.
The true story is mostly out there, for anyone who cares about the truth, except for a few details of Cheney/Bush direct involvement. And Fitz is following the law, while these lawless advocates take advantage of it.
I am sure someone has said it before, but these actions from the git-go was deliberate. And planned. They wanted to stir up a mess so that 1) they could have cover for their stealing Iraq oil, and 2) the military complex would have guaranteed profiteering for — well — forever. Nothing was by accident. It was by design. And Iran is just their next achievement — more war.
GSD @ 76
I am dubious that he’s getting rid of the Guantanamo model – just moving it out of sight (into smaller packages at distant locations) so people won’t pay attention.
Always assume the worst.
Scarecrow @ 73
wigwam @ 77
You don’t need to convince the “lizard brain” of anything. All you need to do is warm the rock and they’ll sit content until the sun goes down. I hope it sets on this administration soon, but it must be realized that the mechanisms employed are still perfectly viable. The cold blooded fear of the bigoted, NRA, fundamentally religious, crypto-fascist faction of the populace is still there to be exploited.
The fear is the catalyst that warms the rock. And propaganda experts, since society first built huts and shared the same fire, have been using that fear as a weapon.
How do you counteract a portion of society that allows itself to be manipulated on a biological level?
GSD @ 76
That’s why I think this story about the CIA airing decades of dirty laundry is a bright shiny object meant to distract from other problems currently ongoing. The link is to today’s WaPo0 although I posted one to the NYTimes version downstairs.
“The only thing we have to fear is fear, itself”
FDR
“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country”
JFK
“Not everything we did was ultra vires“
GWB
Maybe they can put THAT medley on the entrance to his library.
Good morning from L.A. Excellent post this a.m., CHS, & looking forward to your comments on the Walton memorandum later…
Fiasco was a Christmas gift to many friends this past yr. A must read- important, although maddening & frustrating is a good description too. Right now I’m reading Joe Conason’s It Can Happen Here & The Italian Letter.
The Italian Letter has been put down in fuming anger a few times, & I’m only to p. 83. So many people who intimately know Cheney are quoted in this book as forming the opinion that our Veep has constructed in his mind (apparently since becoming VP ) a righteous world where no opinion matters but the one he reaches on his own, & all policy decisions come from that inner world- truly frightening.
Mutant Poodle @ 87
I think the problem of Gitmo is not the place but the rules. I don’t see how it helps to move the detainees to some prison in Afghanistan, or Leavenworth, if the same outrageous rules apply.
sofistic @ 47
Damn! We have a new drinking song in the making.
Here’s another politically-relevant drinking song… I’d love to hear this behind a beer and a bar! http://tinyurl.com/yvu7pa (written before the Libby verdict and just as relevant now after his sentencing).
I based it on Wolverine’s excellent start on “The Wrath Of Big Patrick Fitzgerald” (from Gordon Lightfoot’s original lyric of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” ( http://tinyurl.com/nhqh5 )).
Redshift 63
I appreciate your thoughtful analysis and I hope you are right but… when the facts of the matter get to their current level of loonytunes, I don’t like the melody at all. world peace. future of the kids. all that collateral stuff…
I’m thinking more along the lines of Irish Jim, POST HASTE!
IrishJim @ 74
Mutant Poodle @ 87
But his base won’t be seeing the “Club Gitmo” razor wire anymore either. Anything other than “doubling Guantanimo” is seen as capitulation.
We know to expect the least from Bush, but when it appears that he’s doing an about face instead of an in-your-face it riles the base. They only respond to open thuggishness.
The more they leave the weaker and weaker Bush becomes.
Bush may some day see the need to offer up a large sacrifice to the God’s. If Dick Cheney keeps it up he may end up as that sacrifice.
-GSD
oddmommy @ 31
The missing piece is that it’s not logic, it’s BS. The conclusion (Cheney should be able to keep anything secret he wants to) is predetermined, and therefore any “logic” is just to create an impression that there’s some justification, not actually be logical.
I would imagine that the people espousing it know it’s BS (since you’d have to be delusional otherwise) and they know the authoritarian followers in the base don’t care about any justification beyond “Ha, ha, that’s showing those libruls! Kick ‘em again, boss!”
glenn’s post today is a good addition to christy’s:
Engaging in conversations, listening to the other persons concerns, and following up with people about their concerns in subsequent conversations goes a long way in encouraging people to take the next step, getting involved.
Not everyone is going to get involved. The more you engage people, the more you will find out how deeply they are committed to doing something. Set an example and the people who are inclined, will know that when they’ve had enough, where they could go for guidance to get involved.
It’s not going to happen overnight and it’s going to be just one person. It’s going to take some time, some small steps at first, and a lot of patience.
GSD @ 96
I can’t see Cheney going down alone, he’s taking BushCo with him
Scarecrow @ 93
I think it would be good for Kansas, as a population, to know that torture was being conducted on their soil — to absolutely no useful purpose (as if there ever could be one) — under the pretext of keeping them safe. I think it would be good to bring that insanity home to American soil and remove the, “Out of site, out of mind,” concept.
My fear, though, is that it would give no different result.
I just love kneading bread after reading a Christy post
As far as I know Mr. Bush, there is no statute of limitations for a capital offense.
cannot imagine any twist, turn, backflip, or other contortion of law, logic, or physics that would enable cheney (a/k/a, imo, the antichrist) to simultaneously claim to be not in the exec. branch, AND claim entitlement to exec. privilege. But no doubt I’m missing something.
[RBG Note; It appears we had a little server hiccup and this comment was not actually written by GrandmaJ. Sorry for the misattribution.]
great “rage and fire” piece
here, CHS — and to toss a 50-
gallon drum of crude onto your
blazin’ bonfire, i’ll style it a
burning [bush-]man effigy. . . let
me note rep. henry waxman’s latest
letter: it details vice president
dick cheney’s apparent approach to
legal compliance issues — thusly:
dick cheney’s compliance stance: “what? i was caught violating the law?” — “mmkay, i’ll just ABOLISH the complaining agency!“
do take a look.
Has anyone seen the opinion page in the WSJ today. Some nitwit named Dorothy Rabinowitz tries to equate Fitzmas with Mike Nifong. WTF??? And people wonder why us “libs” don’t care whether Rupert buys the WSJ or not.
whoops — I EPU’d myself. didn’t hurt much, thanks for asking.
Looks like the U.S. gov’t is gonna be busy for a while, now that Mr. Cheney has shown us the light. Lots of “fact” correction will begin, now that we know his office is not part of the Executive Branch. … silly gov’t sites will have to correct all their misinformation. Thank goodness we have Mr. Cheney as the beacon of light, wisdom and insight.
nomolos @ 102
Is this what’s called a double entendre?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 106
Here is the op-ed I am talking about:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/…..=110010243
GSD: Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll see if I can get it via daily subscription here.
martha @ 66
Be sure to tell them why you’re canceling. Every drip has some effect, but may have more if they know why they’re losing readers.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Anger management
Steve @ 39
Steve I have heard so many WWII Vets and many people in their 70’s, 80’s and 90’s say that they have never been so concerned about the direction of this country in their lives as they are now.
During the 8 marches rallies that I attended both before and after the invasion I watched the number of signs with the word “Fascist” on them increase by the thousands. Many of these the Bush administration are “fascist” signs were being carried by older people . This said a great deal to me.
I would ask them about going through the Depression, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. All would say that they were more concerned about the direction that the Bush administration has taken our nation than anything else they had witnessed or experienced during their lives.
My concern also grew by leaps and bounds while spending time in Moose Lodges, VFW’s, and knocking on doors in southeastern Ohio during the last two elections I talked with many older Vets and many shared their deep concerns and fears about the direction of this country.
This along with the deep concern expressed by so many experts and leaders including Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brezinski, General Zinni etc.
On top of it the zealots have been able to run wild on and in the MSM repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program for the last four years. Most of the time they are not challenged!
Elliott @ 100
Maybe he’ll give up the secret island Ken Lay is hiding out on, sipping rum drinks. More likely, he’ll slither away under the cover of night and join him.
Scarecrow @ 60
I posted the link to the story. According to the blurb at the end, Dorothy won a Pulitzer for writing about prosecutor abuse. Those fu-kers are trying pretty hard to smear Fitz and Judge Walton.
newtonusr @ 67
As we all swing from “the humor to the horror, and back.” Millions of Iraqi people have died, been injured and displaced. How completely insane!
Christy, you’ve hit the nail on its head.
The return to the rule of law is the defining issue facing America. If the USA does not return to its roots in the Enlightenment and US Constitution, the radical ideology now in control of the federal government, that traces it roots back to the Confederacy, will spiral America into the black hole of corruption, lawlessness and a never ending war against Islam.
GSD @ 84
I posted the link below. It’s now up at the free site.
There are four branches of government I believe
Judicial
Legislative
Executive
Exploitive
johnSwifty @ 114
and he looks eviler every day
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 109
Read it- character assassination of Fitzgerald & Walton, unsupported by the factual record of the Libby case.
Looks like Fitzgerald will have to hit “delete” when this particular Google Alert pops up on his screen (he said in his Amherst speech a few weeks ago that’s how he deals w/this kind of scurrilous criticism)…
AP – Taliban militants attacked police posts in southern Afghanistan, triggering NATO airstrikes that left 25 civilians dead, including three infants and the local mullah, a senior police officer said Friday.
nomolos @ 102
1st smile of the day.
fellow breadmaker here.
yes. caught the meaning, in all its ramifications.
*thunk! thud! POW! THWAP!*
thanks. ;->
In case you missed it, over a Raw Story; We shall in Jan. 08 when lil’ bushie is finished soiling the planet, be responsible for upkeep on 103 Secret Service agents round the clock. How the hell did Babbsie ever let this freak outta the playpen!
Marie Roget @ 121
i’m hoping that it will backfire and that fitz, comey and others who might normally be aligned with conservatives in the republican party will become motivated to fight back.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 115
Here is Dorothys piece on the A*P*C Rosen Weismann espionage trial. She refused to see what the big deal is with classified intelligence being “allegedly” passed off to Israeli officials. She pulls the “anti-semitic Ace” out of her sleeve as the reason for the investigation.
I think I see a pattern here!
http://opinionjournal.com/edit…..=110009887
selise @ 125
Agreed. And part of me hopes they don’t rise to that bait.
Redshift at 112:
Oh yeah, I’ll tell them why I’m cancelling. I’m also about to FAX a Letter to the Editor. It will get tossed into the trash bin, but heck, I feel better now. Here it is:
“Sir/Madam:
We own a successful small business and have appreciated the Wall Street Journal’s coverage of business news for many years. Your news and features reporters routinely write and produce excellent articles that entertain and inform. Like many WSJ readers we know personally, we generally disagree with your editorial pages, so we skim the headlines and move on to other sections.
However, we have reached a tipping point. We will no longer subscribe to a newspaper (that is, support it with our hard-earned dollars) whose editorialists are incapable of supporting even the most fundamental principles of this nation and our Constitution—the rule of law.
Dorothy Rabinowitz’s “A Tale of Two Prosecutors” is the latest of many attempts by friends of Vice President Cheney and Mr. Libby to shield Mr. Libby from the consequences of his actions. These actions are clear, once Ms. Rabinowitz’s twisted rhetorical arguments and factual errors are stripped away: he lied to a Grand Jury on multiple occasions and he got caught by the efforts of a tenacious and honorable prosecution team. Judge Walton then did what good judges do: he held Mr. Libby to account after a jury of Mr. Libby’s peers rendered its verdict.
Perhaps we in the Midwest are too pragmatic for your editorial writers. We don’t much care if you’re Scooter Libby, a middle manager, or a blue collar worker. If you break the law, you should face the consequences. No excuses and no easy outs because you’re someone “special.”
In today’s information age, we will find the business news we need from new sources. The power of the free market is a wonderful thing.
martha
mr. martha”
Huey P. Long, who knew sommat about it is said to have remarked: “when fascism comes to the US, it’ll be wrapped in the flag and singing a hymn.”
i’m 61, and i always knew the USer democracy was fragile.
I just never though I’ d outlive it.
*ilbo @ 124
It had to be a, “perfect storm,” and Karl Rove conflagration. If there is any possible upside, it might be that George has soiled the bedsheets so mightily that the, “smart one,” Jeb, will never have a chance. Imagine if there were actually a Bush in office who gave actual thought to his actions…I guess that was Bush 41. I wonder why people could smell his shit. He must not have had a Karl Rove to waft the smell away.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 106
True, but, and how do I say this based on the last 6 1/2 years, how could it get worse?
I put the Midwest jab in on purpose, since Paul Gigot, the Editor, is from Green Bay–take that!!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 122
say, that’s good news!
a whole buncha heart & minds we don’t hafta worry about ‘winning’ anymore, innit?
martha @ 132
Martha. The whole letter is an absolute gem. ;->
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 109
Actually, there’s a big difference between the WSJ’s newsroom and the editorial staff. A BIG difference.
Remember the “Bill Clinton raped a woman” slander? The WSJ’s editorial staff wanted to treat it as a legitimate news story, but their news editors said “no way, assholes”. The WSJ editorial staff had to wait for the newsroom editor to go on vacation before they could go with the slander — and even then, they had to confine it to the editorial pages, with this same Dorothy Rabinowitz being the one to write it up.
There is a diary at Daily Kos (link) that says Cheney did not say he was ‘not a part of the Executive branch’, but instead was a ‘part of both Executive and Legislative branch’ and thus did not have to obey the laws – or some such nonsense.
CHENEY’S LATEST LEGAL LOOPHOLE MAY BE MORE THAN POLITICS
From The Bible;
2 Thessalonians ch2, v7-10;
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.”
(my bold)
These Bush/Cheney rogues aren’t simply outlaws and lawbreakers, they are completely lawless, and they use their executive privelege to change the statutes they are willing to be subject to like dirty underwear. This line in particular relates the irony of the foxes running the henhouse;
“cohesive objection to the lawlessness which underpins the chaos of terror.”
They not only refuse to object to it, they actually promote “the chaos of terror” in order to keep their fickle flock of nanny and billy-goats in constant fear, so they can continue to promote a profitable world weapons market, and to do so, they must also keep the nations of the world locked in perpetual war.
So lets address that classic Halleluia Chorus question; “why do the nations rage so furiously together?”
Answer; for war profiteers to profit from.
And the next line “why do the people imagine a vain thing?”
might “The People” be “We, The People?” and that vain thing be the title “lone world superpower?”
Just food for thought…
martha @ 128
beautifully done!
John Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without Conscience,” is very enlightening concerning psychopaths – but even more enlightening is reading the research he based his book on, namely, research conducted by Professor Bob Altemeyer of the University of Manitoba. Professor Altemeyer has written a very readable book for those of us who are not psychologists. It is called The Authoritarians and is available online at http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/.
In Chapter 3 he discusses how authoritarian followers think. His findings are very pertinent to this idea of why letting the information drip-drip-drip is a waste of time:
Here’s just a small part of what he found:
“Intrigued, I gave the inferences test that Mary Wegmann had used to two large samples of students at my university. In both studies high RWAs went down in flames more than others did. They particularly had trouble figuring out that an inference or deduction was wrong. To illustrate, suppose they had gotten the following syllogism:
All fish live in the sea.
Sharks live in the sea..
Therefore, sharks are fish.
The conclusion does not follow, but high RWAs would be more likely to say the reasoning is correct than most people would. If you ask them why it seems right, they would likely tell you, “Because sharks are fish.” In other words, they thought the reasoning was sound because they agreed with the last statement. If the conclusion is right, they figure, then the reasoning must have been right. Or to put it another way, they don’t “get it” that the reasoning matters–especially on a reasoning test.”
There really is no point in letting the information drip out – those of us who can think, got the message long ago and need to see the process to move quickly to the accountability phase. Those who haven’t gotten it yet never will; they have fossilized brains that are firmly locked into whatever their leaders have told them to think. They are the 23% who still think Bush is a great president. Forget them and move on before this country becomes irretrievably in the control of what Maj. Gen. Taguba has called a mafia.
wgg: rogue scholar @ 129
I think that was Sinclair Lewis, but it’s no less true!
Some random thoughts on Good and Evil and Cheney and Bush –
While I’m in general agreement with Glenn Greenwald, I’m uncomfortable with the use of “Good and Evil” in the context of describing the motivations of this krew of gangsters.
Dick Cheney is an amoral sociopath, that makes Jabba the Hut look like a knight is shining armor. Dick Cheney believes in amassing power to himself, and everything in the world is a mere tool in service of that goal.
I consider George W Bush to be an immoral sociopath, who believes his world view (and himself) to be Good, and anything that does not serve his world view (and his self-anointed self) to be Evil.
This is the point at which I am discomfited — “Good and Evil” as concept implies a moral framework; Dick Cheney is the essence of amorality, while George W Bush sees himself as the center of the moral universe, and anything that does not serve his interests is evil.
Bush has portrayed the GWOT as a Good vs Evil struggle, which is the root of the military and diplomatic disaster. On the other hand, Bush is blined by a personal sense of righteousness is nothing more than sociopathic narcissism — GWB operates without the faintest trace of anything that is considered moral by an average person.
For example: Bush is fighting the imaginary GWOT against Islamic radicalism — since Bush sees himself as the essence of Good, this allows him to ship arms to Sunni Islamic radicals to fight Shia Islamic radicals (and vice versa) depending on whatever he feels most threatened by at the moment. There is no moral center to George W Bush, other than his narcissistic personal identity.
Another example: Bush hates Democracy, because it gives his opponents (evil incarnate, by his definition) the opportunity to undermine his glorious authority. Hence, using USAs and caging lists and voter purges and voter intimidation and corrupt right wing judges to undermine democracy is a good thing to GWB — for George W Bush, the only scandal in the US Attorney firings is that his (evil) enemies are questioning his authority.
On the other hand, democracy is a useful tool for George W Bush, which makes it “Good.” Talking about Democracy allows GWB to con the rubes and get his way, which is twofer “Good” in the Bush worldview; second, “Democracy” and the rule of law gives GWB and his ruling class gangster cronies the opportunity to seize power, and use the government to advance his own interests. For George W Bush, democracy is both good and evil — although mostly, it’s just another tool in his gangster tool kit.
At any rate, these are some of the issues I have with using “Good and Evil” in the same breath as George W Bush — Bush is an evil man, precisely because he sees himself as the center of Good in the universe.
A scarier thought: Some of them know Bush well enough to know that a total collapse of his delusional thinking would cause him to let go of the deadman switch that Cheney has put in his hand…
Thanks Adie and Other Pat! I’m feeling feisty today…it’s been long week.
Just wanted to break this down a bit… (and to add parenthesis where the archaic is confusing) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains (Bush?) will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed (Cheney?) (whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth (truth) and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;) that is, the one whose coming (Cheney?) is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness (sure sounds like Cheney’s MO) for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.”
(my bold)
What’s goin’ on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
Oh-oh. No. 104 comment by ‘GrandmaJ’ I did not write. Unless I am much more senile than I thought. How could one comment appear under my name? I don’t disagree with the comment, but I do not remember writing it. I have written two -Nos. 86 and 136.
johnSwifty @ 140
It was Sinclair Lewis. Howie Klein has that quote at the top of DWT.
We are all co-dependents of the “Bush Blight” and its destructive effects on Iraq, Afghanistan and the world
Phoenix Woman @ 135
I know the editorial board is different than the rest of the paper. Heck, that is the one thing that isn’t gonna change under Murdoch. I wonder how the rest of the WSJ might change if his buyout is successful. If the main pages turn more into taloid journalism, will Wall Street fight back?
Saw it, shocked by it, very poignant. The head shot to the militant in the street trying to light off an RPG, the US solider that drops from a sniper shot. As repulsive as these shots are, I feel these views are the ones that America should be shown on the nightly news. DOG help this bannana republic.
At the end of the WSJ editorial, did anyone notice this?
This seems a terrible indictment of the Pulitzers. Rabinowitz commits that most basic of sins against objectivity and fairness. She comes to the debate with her conclusion already in mind. Now all she has to do is twist, torture, and ignore the facts until they fit with her preconceived notions.
Character assassination, sure, but watching conservatives wallowing in their dishonesty and flailing about so ignominiously to defend the indefensible, we should bear in mind that they are doing more to discredit themselves than anything we could say or do.
As for the Pulitzers, we have long said that the media are sick and dysfunctional. It is why the blogosphere came into existence and gained the prominence it has. That Rabinowitz ever came within half a mile of such an award should tell you just how bad things have gotten.
selise @ 32
Your comment reminds me of the quote Ben Franklin said. Something along the lines of those that give up liberty in the name of short term safety deserve neither.
Bush will be gone soon- a year and a half will whip by pretty quickly- and by Christmas- he will be the lamest lame duck in american history.
Most americans simply ignore him now. I’d love to see him indicted or suffer some other appropriate humiliation- but that probably won’t happen. In a few years this will hopefully be a very bad phase that we had the misfortune to live through.
The dems are in a position to box him in and keep him from causing any more major damage. Hope they do.
-ck- @ 141
Those are hardly random thoughts. Rather, I’d say, quite cogent and well put together. It dovetail’s nicely with Karen’s points, taken from the research on authoritarian personalities in John Dean’s book, and the tunnel vision of the, “right wing,” personality. Their complete inability to discern faulty logic when they agree with a conclusion that is wholly non-sequitur to the premise. I think it is all of a piece.
But what to do? Is the only hope that people who believe in the Bush/Cheney model will eventually blow themselves up whilst cleaning their guns in their trailer homes?
The constant quoting of Fred Kagan Philip Zelikow made the “Frontline” program entitled “Endgame” the most moronic waste of a hour of TV time I have endured in a long while.
No WONDER the occupatrion of Iraq goes so badly. These two are supposed to be intellectuals!
sheesh
new thread
rwcole @ 153
you are assuming there is no “catastrophy” where the president claims he can suspend the constitution and remain in office?
GrandmaJ @ 104
It appears we had a little server hiccup and this comment was not actually written by GrandmaJ. Sorry for the misattribution.
Fresh thread for everyone.
Was listening to NPR in the car yesterday and heard the “news”. Apparently Bush made a speech yesterday- I have fortunately forgotten the topic he addressed. NPR gave the whole thing about 15 seconds of coverage- including one sentence from the speech. Newsweek now measures his job approval at 26%—-A NEW CAREER LOW.
26%
Who ARE those dunderheads?
-ck- @ 141
I had similar impressions, even to the point where I was questioning myself later: “WTF, did I just hear these people making Condi into some neglected military genius?”
rwcole @ 153
Hi rwcole,
I think I understand why you write that this is a very bad phase that will pass, but the danger in letting it pass is this: Nixon was pardoned and his minions learned that with minimal jailtime, they got away with it. Then Iran-Contra happened in plain sight of Reagan. They got away with it and some became heroes (Ollie North). These minions learned how to be even MORE clever, which brings them forward to today.
Cheney, Addington et al came from the phases of the past. They have spawned many offspring. The danger of waiting patiently for this to pass is in the offspring, exponentially multiplied and with the strength of the antibiotic-resistant superbugs lurking in the very places that are supposed to heal us.
johnSwifty @ 89
I started reading “Deer Hunting With Jesus” last night and hopefully I may get some insight into the vote against self-interest paradox.
The main question that nags at me is: is there a fundamental group/philosophy driving the Republican Party? The Bush disaster is just a small picture of what “they” envision for America. Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc, can be dealt with; it’s the people and groups we don’t hear about that have driven this madness over the past forty years. The guessing game now is who is using whom(?)(I was a science major). The obvious choice is that the Fascists are using the fundies. My bet is that it is the other way. It reminds me of Germany, late 20’s; the industrialists thought they were using that funny man and his wacky party to get rich.
Christy, I watched that Frontline program, and it made me jump up and yell at the teevee. It is nothing more than a Neocon distortion of reality. The Fallujah part is pure nonsense. Kagan is intolerable.
Just changed my email and thanks RBG for confirming that I did not write 104. I was pretty sure my brain was not that far gone I could not remember a comment just written. Whew!!!
OT. We’d better be careful what we wish for…
Boston Globe. “Tax resisters finding allies in cyberspace”
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..yberspace/
Impeaching Cheney – the documents – what do you think?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..113345/414
“Make my day” is way too insouciant. THEIR judges control much of the federal bench, including the Supreme Court. Do you really think the court that gave us Bush v. Gore is about to decide that the rule of law is a good idea?
Jay Gold at 170 — Who is talking about this going to the courts? What I’m talking about is an opportunity to take this to the public — day in, day out, hearing after hearing, news story after news story, drip after drip of one corruption-tainted scandal after another. They want to drag this out for months on end and taint the entire GOP with this dreck from now until the 2008 election? More power to them.
The courts have nothing to do with that part of it. And based on how GOP presidential candidates are already flopping in head-tohead polling with Democratic candidates? They can just keep on keeping on because they are doing nothing but digging themselves a deeper hole of failure.
A really scary experiment Professor Altemeyer performed involved The Global Change Game (end of Chapter 1 in The Authoritarians). He wanted to see how liberals and conservatives would rule the world.
He divided college students into two groups – liberal and conservative (he uses the terms low right-wing authoritarians versus high right-wing authoritarians).
The first thing liberals did was set up a “United Nations.” During their game, “the number of armies in the world dropped. No wars or threats of wars occurred during the simulation.” They tried to be honest (“elites diverted only small amounts of the treasure”) and worked cooperatively to solve problems for the benefit of all people.
The conservatives, on the other hand, played the game every man for himself, which resulted in wars that quickly escalated to global nuclear war — at which point the game was stopped. They were allowed to try playing the game again, but again they blew up the world. (And they stole a whole lot of money.)
The game shows the danger of allowing high right-wing authoritarians near the levers of power. Perhaps we should consider making people who want to be leaders take psychological tests so we can weed out the psycho- and sociopaths before they can get anywhere near positions of power.
Re the Bush bounce for jihadists: That was the plan, Stan: endless enemies=endless war=endless profits for BushCo. The current state of the world is exactly what BushCo wants it to be.
More proof that this administration is a vast criminal conspiracy to insure republican majorities:
–Election Assistance Comission Tampering
–Appointing politically loyal AGs
–Urging baseless election fraud cases IOT supress voter turnout.
–Vote Caging
–Hatch act violations, using federal agency for partisan gain.
–Presidential Records act violations to cover up the aforementioned.
Now Rove’s comment about having “the math” is starting to make sense. The Bush regime is made up of criminals hiding in plain sight.
I now think Mitt Romney was right. We should double the size of GITMO and fill it with the Bush mafiosi.
kathleen @ 65
The turnaround of Bush’s disastrous rule begins with electing Gore as President and making sure he gets sworn in this time !!!
I would bet all my possessions that he already has or is developing, solutions to all these problems.
Of course, he will need veto-proof majorities in both houses to implement them as quickly as possible.
oddmommy @ 88
I wonder if their site allows feedback comments …
” Cohen The Dick” got over 12 pages of … er … unfriendly suggestions at WahPoo …
Ahh yes … the EPU Trifecta …
Feels strangely like being married … having a conversation only to find out that you’re the only one listening !!! *g*
Frontline’s “endgame” made the frightening assertion that we lost our best ally in reducing our presence in Iraq the day Rummy was sacked.
Well then we are well and truly f@#ked.
Re: Fred Kagan
What is it with these neocon double- and triple-chinned armchair warriors? Kagan is represented in “Endgame” as a military historian with AEI. Since when did historians develop strategy and tactics for the military? The fact that the “surge” was his idea makes me wonder if any of our military planners have got what it takes for the job. But then we already know the answer to that question, don’t we.