Everybody just step off from hatin’ on Rudy this week, okay? Poor guy, he hit the “pentafecta” of bad news, and that was in the span of four days.
First there was the “hit” piece in the Sunday New York Times in which America’s Mayor came across as something a little less . . . savory:
Some still speak bitterly about a contract that left firefighters without a raise for two years. Some also say Mr. Giuliani has exaggerated the role he played after the terrorist attacks, casting himself as a hero for political gain. The harshest sentiments stem from Mr. Giuliani’s decision nearly two months after 9/11 to reduce the number of firefighters who were allowed to search for colleagues in the rubble — a move that he partially reversed but that still infuriates many firefighters.
As his candidacy proceeds, Mr. Giuliani’s work on and after Sept. 11, his greatest strength in the eyes of many voters, will be scrutinized. The firefighters’ interviews indicate that in New York, at least, a critical evaluation has begun.
“I think they assume that we all love him,” said Robert Keys, 48, a battalion chief and 25-year department veteran, referring to people outside New York. “He wound up with this ‘America’s Mayor’ image. Those of us who had to deal with him before and after 9/11 don’t share that same sentiment.”
[emphasis mine]
Like so many of his Republican compatriots, America’s Flipflopinator cynically believes that the events of 9/11 rendered the general population incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction, and he has been more than willing to exploit that perception for his personal gain. Yes, while 26% of the country, according to the latest Newsweek poll, still thinks George Bush is doing a heckuva job, the other 74% is starting to get more than a little annoyed. Now is not really the time to be hitching your wagon to the GWOT star, but we all know that Rudy is merely an empty husk without that special “TERRRRR!” cachet.
Okay, so let’s assume that Rudy’s campaign can adjust to roving gangs of angry firemen, but can it withstand the report that emerged a scant two days later, in which it became a bit clearer to those still unfamiliar with Mr. Giuliani that he’s a greedy bastard in a Superman suit?
From Newsday:
WASHINGTON — Rudolph Giuliani’s membership on an elite Iraq study panel came to an abrupt end last spring after he failed to show up for a single official meeting of the group, causing the panel’s top Republican to give him a stark choice: either attend the meetings or quit, several sources said.
Giuliani left the Iraq Study Group last May after just two months, walking away from a chance to make up for his lack of foreign policy credentials on the top issue in the 2008 race, the Iraq war.
He cited “previous time commitments” in a letter explaining his decision to quit, and a look at his schedule suggests why — the sessions at times conflicted with Giuliani’s lucrative speaking tour that garnered him $11.4 million in 14 months.
Giuliani failed to show up for a pair of two-day sessions that occurred during his tenure, the sources said — and both times, they conflicted with paid public appearances shown on his recent financial disclosure. Giuliani quit the group during his busiest stretch in 2006, when he gave 20 speeches in a single month that brought in $1.7 million.
On one day the panel gathered in Washington — May 18, 2006 — Giuliani delivered a $100,000 speech on leadership at an Atlanta business awards breakfast. Later that day, he attended a $100-a-ticket Atlanta political fundraiser for conservative ally Ralph Reed, whom Giuliani hoped would provide a major boost to his presidential campaign.
The month before, Giuliani skipped the session to give the April 12 keynote speech at an economic conference in South Korea for $200,000, his financial disclosure shows.
[Emphasis mine]
Relying on Ralph Reed. Now THAT’S a good call. And it gets better. Rudy Giuliani blew off the Iraq Study Group, blew off the chance to get some foreign policy experience under his belt in order to grab a quick $200K playing Stuart Smalley to the conservative Christian set. According to Think Progress, two of the speeches were part of seminars called “Get Motivated”:
A daylong program infused with Christianity, patriotism and pumping music suitable for aerobics. Many among the roster of speakers urged the audience of about 25,000 to find their inner power — and to sign up for more seminars and books.
The spectacularly lame excuse Giuliani provided for his dismissal from the ISG panel was that he didn’t want to be involved in a nonpartisan effort while he was running for President. Steve Benen and Greg Sargent do a bang-up job of addressing the inherent bogusitude of this statement, but an even more basic question needs to be asked here: why would someone running for President NOT want to prove he/she is willing to promote a nonpartisan effort? Especially if that somebody needs to bolster his nonexistent international street cred? What’s more, wouldn’t a candidate want to emphasize his or her “I can work with both sides of the aisle” capabilities? Or is this just more Rudy’s “my way or the highway” rhetoric that makes Chris Matthews giddy as a little girl?
There isn’t enough scorn in the universe to heap on Giuliani for this utter lapse in judgment. As if he wasn’t contemplating a run for the Presidency even as the Towers were collapsing around him? The Baker-Hamilton Commission was a prime opportunity to burnish his credibility, but he chose to line his pockets instead. What a fabulous signal to send to the voting public, Mr. Giuliani. “I’m only into terrorism for the big bucks.”
As Steve Benen suggests, this gaffe alone should bring Rudy down, but he’s certainly getting a lot of unsolicited assistance from his staff. On Wednesday, the South Carolina state chairman for the Giuliani campaign was arrested . . . on charges of cocaine distribution. From CNN:
COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) — South Carolina Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, a former real estate developer who became a rising political star after his election last year, was indicted Tuesday on federal cocaine charges.
Ravenel is also the state chairman for former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign.
Ravenel has stepped down from his volunteer responsibilities with the campaign, according to a statement released by Mark Campbell, Giuliani’s political director.
Campbell said the campaign has no information about the accusations pending against Ravenel.
And on the same day, former Iowa Representative Jim Nussle, Giuliani’s Iowa campaign overlord, decided that serving in the universally despised Bush administration is more alluring than helping Giuliani get elected. He willingly jumped off Giuliani’s ship to accept the nomination for White House Budget Director. So Giuliani loses two state campaign managers in one afternoon. Not everybody can say they’ve accomplished such a feat.
The final straw for Rudy this week (or was it?) was Bloomberg’s desertion from the Republican Party, a move that infuriated long-time Giuliani fanboy Guy Molinari.
“It does smack of being ungrateful to a man who played a key role in his campaign,” said Staten Island GOP power Guy Molinari, Giuliani’s New York co-chairman, of Bloomberg’s move. “Was it just a matter of convenience? Maybe. Without Giuliani’s endorsement, Mike would not have been elected.”
…
And in fact, Giuliani’s own comments yesterday suggested more political acquaintanceship than warm camaraderie. He recalled that the reason he backed Bloomberg in 2001 was because he was best suited to preserve Giuliani’s legacy.
“My reasons were to preserve the things that I thought were so important about the turnaround of New York City,” Giuliani said.
But Bloomberg, in fact, reversed several of Giuliani’s major initiatives, including plans to privatize the city’s airports and finance a new Yankee Stadium. Also, Bloomberg recently made a not-so-veiled accusation that Giuliani stuck him with a budget deficit after leaving office.
[Emphasis mine]
Poor Rudy. Some day he’ll learn that the Earth revolves around the Sun, not him. And that when you spin a web of lies, you’re going to get caught up in it, one way or another. Maybe next week will be better, Rudy. Maybe.
UPDATE: Via The Kenosha Kid, Giuliani has real family values – he’s got a suspected pedophile priest on staff as a consultant at Giuliani Partners.
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I was this close to photoshopping Giuliani’s face on to Jane Fonda’s “Workout” picture.
IMNSHO, the punting of the ISG is the one where the Dems (and his oponents) should hammer Rudy hardest. He could have built a little foreign policy cred as well as workign bi-partisan. Instead, he’s just running for Mayor of NY and that’s not the position.
what watertiger said!
Rudy as a serious candidate cracks me up. He apparently knows people who can score some crack too.
Bernie Kerik did not have sex on ground zero this week with a mob bosses daughter (that we know of). It could be worse.
hey tiger, I believe you missed the part about the communications systems which if I am correct didn’t work becaausen of the mayor
watertiger @ 4
Oh! Do it!!
perris @ 7
It’s in the article. I just wanted to get the really juicy bits out there.
I’d like to give being too rich a try. For scientific purposes only.
dakine01 @ 3
Ditto.
Ferret Power!9-eleven11!!
Why was he even invited to be in the Iraq Study Group? Whose idea was that??? He has no background related to Iraq at all. NY and 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. Why???
LS @ 13
You’d have to ask Jim Baker that.
TERRRRRRRRRR!
wangdangdoodle @ 8
please! please!
Jim Baker is the consigliere of the Bush crime family. Inviting Rudy was just showing respect.
This just came up on my homepage alert:
White House Near Decision to Close Gitmo
http://www.comcast.net/news/in…..96090.html
I hope I didn’t interrupt the discussion too much.
trifecta @ 16
Yeah. I’ll bet he’d make a nice “pseudo” hitman for the final takover for them.
Rudy ain’t gonna win. Not that we should not work against him, but “middle America” is not gonna buy it. Did you all see Jon Stewart last night? He was talking about Bloomberg and kept injecting “JEW” in everything.
I’m a NYC’er (although I kinda live in Conservative central for NY)and I am pretty liberal and I have zero confidence in a Rudy win.
Bloomberg confidence, some, but not much.
I just spent a very satisfying $20 saying FU to Joe Lieberman. That was fun!
Relying on Ralph Reed. Now THAT’S a good call
Ralph G. Reed, aka Ralph Greed
Well, this would be a bad week for most people but Rudy is a Republican and they don’t use facts. So though it may affect voters, it may not have any impact on Rudy.
Who’s left by the way? McCain has imploded. Rudy is imploding. Romney? The master flip-flopper? Gee, maybe airhead Thompson does have a chance.
“Relying on Ralph Reed. Now THAT’S a good call.”
And why hasn’t Ralph been indicted yet?
OT from tomorrow’s WaPo0: Gen Pace: US troop death increase not a valid measure of effectiveness of surge.
Good for you, Balrog.
Helen @ 19
My husband’s X, here in TX, are crazy about him. He is 20 years military, and they are your typical middle American, flag wavin’, 4th of Jooolay, wiener eatin’, Bush supporters.
LS @ 26
Should read, Ex and husband,
Needs ferrets.
dakine01 @ 24
Facts are not a valid measure of reality either. Pace should really stop sniffing glue. It’s not good for you, Peter.
perris @ 7
Or the fact that the majority of the Emergency Response capabilities were headquartered in the WTC!
watertiger @ 4
Thank you for not doing that.
Poor Rudy, everyone dumping on him… . Still, it does add an entertainment to the prez race. It has given Watertiger something to write about for this thread. Without Rudy you might have to write about Mitt. Now that would be very tedious.
Somebody in a comment thread yesterday said that if Rudy was president, he would put the military communications center in the Golden Mosque.
Hugh @ 29
Doh! Here I was blaming the Kool-Aid!!! ;-)
The latest docu-dump has some gbw43.com e-mails. They are about Griffin and looks like “Scott Jennings at the White House is using the “gbw” address to conduct government business.
——————————
From: SJennings@gbw43.com
Sent: Monday August 21, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Sampson, Kyle: Goodling, Monica
Subject: 2pm, re:Griffin
Can we chat at 2pm today?
J. Scott Jennings,
Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Political Director,
The White House
Breaking news form the House on BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-…..229068.stm
Anti-abortion ban struck down…
Now is not really the time to be hitching your wagon to the GWOT star
hey, Rudy: GWOT, milked?
LS @ 26
But do they know him? Do they know about the 3 marriages (the first to his cousin, EWWW) I think that when people really get to know him, he’s TOAST. And he’s a shame and a pox on us. When he was USA I thought, “finally, someone in NY who reallly cares and who talks straight” LHP even said when he was a AUSA under him he was a straight shooter. Somewhere he drank the kool-aid
LS – we know what you’re sayin’
It’s only a matter of time: Rudy go *BOOM*.
Now, about Blomberg…
.
spork_incident @ 40
Boomberg?
need more rotation of crossdressing videos. maybe mail it to all those rightie church groups.
latest skeleton to tumble from hizzoner’s overcrowded closet:
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…../22/placa/
We need to lobby the catholic church to treat Rudy like they did Kerry.
hey…anyone remember that republican mayer that made believe he was a democrat?
name was koch or something like that
he was pro Iraq when he thought they were part of the strike against us and when he thought sadam had those wmd’s
I wonder if he’s still libing in a fantasy land and still supports the presidents maniacle malignant war in Iraq
Helen @ 39
I’m an ex-NYCer, and I lived there during Ghouliani time, so I knew all about him. He was one of the reasons I left NY, but they are just starry-eyed because they think he’s tough, ex-prosecuter, and all that crapola, I guess. People like that seem to want someone tough to “control” all their other fellow citizens…they just don’t realize they end up being controlled too.
Loo Hoo. @ 41
If the guy gets in it might make things *interesting*.
I’m tired of “interesting” presidential elections.
Just sayin’
(I regret the spelling error.)
.
trifecta @ 44
Hey, the Vatican reversed Joe Kennedy’s annulment. Don’t know if Rudy tried for an annulment of the Donna Hanover marriage (I believe he did on the one with his cousin) but the Cardinal in NYC should be called out if Rudy’s still receiving communion.
oddmommy @ 43
Scum attracts scum! Plain and simple!
trifecta @ 44
Ha, ha. Hey, Rudey, when was the last time you took communion? Hey, Rudey, when was the last time you went to confession? Thought so.
dakine01 @ 48
I actually blogged about that yesterday.
Frankly, I like how Mr. Giuliana is in tune with his party’s concept of family values.
I’m on a conference call with Issa/
LS @ 46
CTuttle @ 49
so, let’s see, we got a guy whose best buds include a mobster, a coke addict, and a pedophile.
But he’s, uh, LOYAL. Therein lies the stuff of which Presidents are made…..
Loo Hoo. @ 53
Oh SHUT UP. Was gonna ask you about ypur meeting with the underling, but I thought I missed it
trifecta @ 51
How does that affect his descendents, I wonder. That basically means his marriage to Rose “within the church” is no longer recognized?
Rudy didn’t show up to SG1? That’s okay, I liked that MacGuyver guy better anyway.
Loo Hoo. @ 53
You have my deepest sympathies…
Hey LS my anser to you at 54 got sall messed up. Here it is
Oh I totally agree. That’s why “poor” people vote Repub. The Repubs convince them that they can be rich too!!! Just work hard like us!! So keep taxes low for when you become RICH. Except the repubs keep the poor poor.
Loo Hoo. @ 53
ear bleach, stat!
:)
/s
This one looks like it might be a midnight rendezvous. What say you Monica?
———————–
From: Sampson, Kyle
Sent:Friday, February 02,2007 2:45 pm
To: ‘Oprison, Christopher G.’
Subject: RE: E. D. Ark.-Griffin
Tim needs to be carefully managed
monica is the one here who tim calls regularly
as tim is frequently calling you also, perhaps the two of you should compare notes
monica what say you?
HELP ,,,,,Did firedoglake review the hearing today and where is it ? Please …
Helen @ 23
So many perps, so little time… if I were Ralphy, I’d be insulted to have been overlooked so long.
Seriously, folks, I’m just waiting to see him & Norquist explaining to Congress how their careers to date were just “a college prank that got a little out of hand”.
LS @ 57
different Joe – Bobby’s son who took tip O’Neill’s seat in MA. divorced his first wife and married his secretary. Had the first marriage annuled over the protests of the first wife so that he could marry the second under the auspices of the church. Just backfired on him but the scandal over the annulment is why he left Congress.
oddmommy @ 55
That about sums it up, Ma’am!!! Instills great confidence in the Electoral process doesn’t it??? 8-)
Frank33 @ 62
Frank – is this am actual email or are you editoralizing?
Anectodal evidence only but:
I live in NY, about five minutes drive from the Clintons. I work in Fairfield County, CT. My co-worker who is republican leaning would vote for Bloomberg above any other R (doesn’t like any of them), and would never vote D. My boss is probably a Rudy vote. So in my office (only 4 people) the Bloomberg effect is a net republican loss.
Too small a sample but it does show how local sentiment goes.
Helen @ 60
Precisely. They live the “American Dream” – nice house, up to their eyeballs in mortgage and credit card debt, hanging in there, but they have to work their asses off, and don’t realize that they own nothing. This is the problem in the American economy. People are dreaming.
big bob @ 63
Bob it’s on the 12:00ish thread, there was no thread devoted to the hearing
I hope you’re all happy.
Am working on the slow computer, so my impatience got the better of me. Quality is crap.
Swopa,
It’s all about keeping you on your toes!!
And for the life of me, I couldn’t find a ferret i n a leotard.
watertiger @ 71
It’s absolutely lovely :)
Helen @ 70
Christy’s last thread at the bottom and Jane’s thread. We let Tula have her thread today without the blogging interfering. :})
watertiger @ 71
What! No spew alert, WT!!! Brain Bleach, Stat!!!
dakine01 @ 65
I see now. I forgot about that Joe Kennedy. Why on earth would you leave Congress for something like that???
Helen @ 70
Hey big bob – Helen is being modest. She and Boston 1776 did great LiveBlog
here…
Rudy sure is one lucky 911 survivor.
CTuttle @ 75
[wipes hands] yup, my job is done.
watertiger @ 71
Damn you!!!! I finally got a shot, and it’s all over the keyboard!!!! :P
big bob @ 63
It was liveblogged in some of the earlier threads.
Short version:
McNulty: CYA
Let’s just say there wasn’t a Comey candor moment to be seen.
Kind of reminds me of a new age yoga teacher (who is also a dick)
Thank you newtonusr. Liveblogging is very difficult, but I LOVE it. Apparently the thing you work hardest for are the things you love the most!! (Go figure; our parents were right)
ccmask @ 78
I’m dying to go there!! I read and watched something really weird today about Bush’s account of when and how he learned about the attack…via Rawstory. But, I’ll be good…sort of.
Great article Watertiger, thank you for doing the world a favor and working to prevent a president guiliani.
I have no doubt that if Mr. Giuliani is still a contender in February, that his GOP rivals will be
having a field day with all the crap they can dig up on him. And we all know just how low they can go when they’re on a feeding frenzy.
Loo Hoo!
What! You have to call me or write me!
You go girl!
Loo Hoo is staying on this guy’s list of Deal With Me!
She and I each gave CHS reports of our meeting with his District Deputy but haven’t heard anything from her. She was the one who encouraged people to reach out to congresscritters regarding OUR ISSUES. Loo Hoo is keeping the questions on the table.
Go Loo! I’m sure we’ll be talking about this at Late Night. As they say…More To Come!
Helen @ 67
This one is on pg 35 of OAG1819 file (pdf). The gwb43.com e-mails are on about pg 20.
big bob @ 63
Most of it is on “nobody raises money like Joe”and the thread before.
LS @ 76
That district is liberal but it is a heavily feminist version. It is also still fairly strong Catholic as well. Just the whole waythe divorce and annulment were handled, Joe’s voting record being maybe a little conservative for the district, and everything together, he stepped down. He probably would have won re-election but decided it really wasn’t worth all the aggravation.
Mr. McNulty is Mr. McNulty. Mr. Comey is Mr. Comey. N’er the two shall meet…
McNulty sold out poor guy. He’s not a bad guy, but he is a coward. Perhaps for a reason, who knows. JMHO
Watertiger, don’t forget this other lovely bit of news for Rudy: As I predicted way back in March, the Fundies that had been sucking up to Rudy dropped him like a bad habit once Fred Thompson entered the race.
Tooliani.
Standing atop a smoldering pile of dead Americans and laughing all the way to the bank.
Mussolini on the Hudson.
The nicest thing I can say is he got rid of his bad combover.
-GSD
GSD @ 92
707!!!
Rudy blows.
(Can I say that? I’m still kinda new and don’t really know the rules.)
watertiger, that new image is so Hanoi-ing.
Phoenix Woman @ 91
‘Cause Fred’s got all them there family val-youse, right?
We are also going to watch the undignified orgy of recriminations as these callow men start to turn on each other.
Giuliani is going to snap and so will McCain.
Hollywood Fred is gonna suck the oxygen out of the room.
-GSD
P.S. I just got back from hearing two retired generals talking about this Godforesaken war.
The best applause of the night was when General Johns said: “The canard that you can’t support the troops without supporting the president is bullshit!”
punaise @ 95
Come over here and let me give you a noogie.
watertiger @ 72
Did you try cuteoverload.com? they seem to have everything there…
demi @ 86
FWIW, I sent another e-mail to my execrable Congress Critter Lamar Smith on his performance today and how nowadays lying by gov’t officials seems to be no big deal. I contrasted that with his performances during the Clinton years. I then pointed out that I assume he would change his mind once again with a Dem in the White House after ‘08.
LS @ 90
Here’s McNulty’s miscalculation (hopefully). They all thought that KKKarl was right. There would be an infinity Republican majority. So there would be lots of wingnut welfare. When big donors give to candidates they give to them all (just to hedge their bets) Don’t forget that contributions to a political party candidate are limited.
Phoenix Woman @ 91
Fundies drop bad habits?!
LS @ 84
Think aboutit. If there was a contest for which 911 survivor made the most money due to the attack, Rudy would win, hands down.
Oh, dear. It just got worse for Giuliani.
Courtesy Kenosha Kid.
AZ Matt @ 102
fundies drop undies…but only with the lights out
watertiger @ 98
Hopefully, a Wet noogie!!!
AZ Matt @ 102
picking them up again gives them an excuse for being caught bent over….
Dakine01
Good On Ya.
I think it is so very important for us to stay in touch with our reps.
We have to do Something! Whether it’s phone calls or emails or face-to-face meetings. We must keep our issues On The Table.
Yay Us.
I just can’t wait for Loo Hoo to give us the scoop on her conference all to Issa.
punaise @ 105
Where’s Kirk Murphy when you need him? BRAIN BLEACH, EXTRA LARGE Please.
And no comments about Mormon underwear…
kirk murphy @ 107
BAD Kirk BAD BAD Kirk….
dakine01 @ 100
Shaka, Bra!!! Call them on their blatant Hypocrisy!!! 8-)
One issue that I may not have been clear on is that Westchester County, NY and Fairfield County, CT are not very blue parts of a blue state. I am constantly surprised by the number of people that are pro-Bush or pro-Rudy in this area. Even though the Clinton family lives near us, it was a hard effort to get John Hall elected (but we did!). It is strange living a “Blue State” but being in area that has many “Red” leaning people. Looking at the bumper stickers in my apartment’s parking lot shows anything from John Hall, Bush/Cheney ‘04, Wage Peace Not War stickers. It is a weird place at the moment.
Helen @ 101
ccmask @ 103
You would have to say Larry Silverstein made out pretty well too, considering.
watertiger @ 104
SO! I can rest easy, teh Kid has been promoted.
Pretty soon Rudy will be wearing a baseballcap that reads “Wish I had a job to shove”.
they couldn’t quite reassemble the whole cast for the sequel: Noogie Bites
punaise @ 117
Heh, heh!
That’s true LS. It was 2 separate attacks and he had that insured just that way. And Silverstein wasn’t even the high bidder for that deal but they gave it to him anyway. He paid a lot less than others had bid for the WTC.
Nancy wants Monia or Nowacki to keep the Republican Party informed of Department of Justice shenanigans. Who is Nancy Scott-Finan?
—————————–
OAG1819-1901.pdf p45
From: Scott-Finan, Nancy
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:24 PM
To: Goodling, Monica: Nowacki, John
Subject: FW: Clinton US Attorney nominations in the last 3 years of his Admiinistration
Monica/John
Can you respond to the questions about this so that we can provide it to the Republican Policy Committee as soon as possible. Thanks.
Nancy
This is from the NYT courtesy of Raw Story, so take it FWIW:
Edward uses Non-profit to fight poverty for personal benefits.
If this can be substantiated, that’s the ball game for edwards. maybe those $400 haircut people were on to something…
What I most wonder about McNulty applies to many of the Justice employees, as well as the Congressional and Cabinet employees. The idea of trading policy actions for gain (whether personal or for related parties) is not only acceptable, but the raison d’etre for government position, appears pervasive in the Republican party. Many of the people indicted, under accusation, or just being questioned don’t actually seem to think that any of their behavior was wrong. Is this something new, or just a product of one party rule?
Off topic/Breaking: egrDau home from a year overseas in the Dominican Republic! Happy mom!!!
ccmask @ 119
4th Branch had something directly to do with the asbestos lawsuit of the WTC too, right before the attack, that is how Silverstein ended up with the lease and the huge insurance contract on the buildings…remember….
Frank33 @ 120
Counterspin in progress….
technicolor @ 122
I don’t recall the poster, but last night or the night before, someone posted a detailed examination of the conservative attitude towards government. Shorter version: Government BAD. Business GOOD. Use BAD (Government) to give oneself and ones friends things of value is converting BAD (G) into GOOD (B).
Shortest Version: They feel no guilt at all.
watertiger @ 104
But…..that was my scoop. At 43. : (
Alfred Kelgarries @ 121
egregious @ 123
Lovely! Cheers girls!
egregious @ 123
Outstanding! Congrats, EG!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 126
New Orleans Disneyland, for example.
technicolor @ 122
Wow that is the $64,000 question. When Nancy said thatGeorge was not worth impeachmen,t I blew my top. Your job is what Nancy?
I have dual citizenship – I am thisclose to moving. And it breaks my heart because America has been fabulous to me. But this is not the American dream that my Mom left her home country for
egregious @ 123
Good news!!
oddmommy @ 127
I’m sorry! I was in the middle of that horrendous photoshop and didn’t see it!
demi @ 128
demi, i’m NOT against Edwards at all. I rather like him. And I agree, at this point it is just unsubstantiated stuff. But, if he is actually doing this, poltically speaking it may not be survivable. That is not necessarily good, but it may be true.
And if you’d care to go back to the previous thread, you might see some reasons for me to be a little testy tonight…
egregious @ 123
Happy day, egregious!
[[[egregious and egrDau]]]
egregious @ 123
Congrats Egr. Enjoy your time togeher
Alfred Kelgarries @ 135
I think the point about the $400 haircut deal is that it is outrageous that someone charged him that much – not whether or not he can afford it. They took advantage of him, and he let it slide…so what. The guy has good hair. All those Rove minion minimees are just jealous. Who cares.
ccmask @ 119
Really? Happen to have a link handy on that ccmask? I hadn’t heard this before.
Nice diary to recommend over at Kos….Support the Round-the-Clock Anti-Lieberman Fundraiser! — Part 5: Holy Joe is a Republican Edition
Do it for Jane….
Helen @ 137
yes, Congrats, fellow mommy.
I can only imagine…..almost came unglued when my 12 year old daughter wanted to go to sleep away camp for FOUR weeks this summer……fortunately I was able to negotiate down to two……but that’s just for now.
They grow up too fast……cliched but true.
punaise @ 117
Groan! You’re definitely on a roll tonite! Kenosha Kid has a good primer for ya! The second one is awesome!
http://thekenoshakid.blogspot……liani.html
watertiger @ 72
Maybe you should’ve tried dressing more demurely.
They’re shy creatures, y’know.
watertiger @ 134
zallright. : )
I don’t recall the poster, but last night or the night before, someone posted a detailed examination of the conservative attitude towards government. Shorter version: Government BAD. Business GOOD. Use BAD (Government) to give oneself and ones friends things of value is converting BAD (G) into GOOD (B).
Shortest Version: They feel no guilt at all.
Yes, I run into that thought process alot, being the in the financial/insurance business. But we all are heavily regulated and must take continuing education/ethics/money laundering courses which I think at the least give some people pause to break the rules. Don’t government officials have the same training requirements? My friends in government positions are required to take training classes about the Hatch Act and any other limitations.
I guess I just can’t understand the ability to absolutely ignore whatever training they are given in pursuit of an idealogy. But then I am naive.
Giuliani fights criminals by keeping them under his vulture-like wing.
Way to go Rudy.
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 139
LooHoo, there is tons of stuff on the Silverstein lease/insurance thing on the internet. Look also for the info about how Halliburton dumped their subsidiary company that was getting sued over the asbestos in the WTC buildings right before Silvestein got the lease – that is why it was cheap. You can’t make this up. Investors wanted those buildings gone for a long time before 9/11. Insurance was the ultimate pay-off.
Alfred, re:
And if you’d care to go back to the previous thread, you might see some reasons for me to be a little testy tonight…
I’m sure you have great reasons for being a little testy tonight…but do I have to go read the entire previous thread?
I’m not doubting you…I guess maybe I’m a little testy too and sometimes all of the critiscm here gets on my last nerves…
I’m still waiting to hear what Loo Hoo has to say about her phone call with Issa, so I don’t want to go backwards to the last thread.
Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, sorry.
My son is having a bunch of his college friends over for a laptop marathon. There will be cables and laptops and sleeping bags all over my house tomorrow. I am leaving to go to Fort Lauderdale and boy did that make him smile when I told him…They are all bringing xboxes and video games and whatever else they need. I figured they would be really happy if they had the place to themselves.
egregious @ 123
Happy Day, EG! Congratulations.
oddmommy @ 127
Yes, Yes it was….And it was a good one. ;-)
LS @ 138
agreed on the stupid haircut. But, and this is the point I was trying to make, some people who aren’t born rich and get rich start to invest their identity in the trappings of nuveau richese, like extravagant haircuts or whatever. When the money gets cut off for some reason, these people unfortunately have a tendency to toss ethics out the window and do what it takes to get the money back. Once it is safely flowing again, they can go back to their serene others-centric worldview. And it doesn’t have one darned thing to do with his politics, which I like except for the Iraq bit. But to most people, that sort of thing “smells bad” and they use examples of conspicuous consumption as code for it.
Now in Edwards case, it turns out there is no problem. NYT is merely sucking up to the rethugs as usual these days. Turns out Edwards set up this non profit but didn’t solicit donations to it from ordinary folks; it was a way his big money donors could donate to his antipoverty work while getting tax breaks. Eveyone knew what was going on, everything was aboveboard from the get go. So Raw Story goes down a notch in my evaluation list. Bleh.
The Republicans spent 8 years telling us that everything Clinton did was wrong and corrupt.
They’ve spent the last 7 years justifying every corrupt and wrong thing they’ve done by allegeing that Clinton did it too.
-GSD
LS: I just remember that for some reason. I think it was thru Grubb & Ellis website in 2001.
Swopa @ 143
HAHAHAHAHA! Busted.
egregious @ 123
Wonderful news, Egregious. :)
Interesting link regarding Iraq:
http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php
LS @ 147
Aagh, another log for the Conspiracy theorists’ roaring blaze on 911, stoked further by Osama chartering the one flight after 911, ferrying the bin Laden Family out of the US! Can it get any worse???
demi @ 148
Actually it is I who must apologize to you. Raw Story LIED TO ME. Jerks. Turns out they took a non profit Edwards had set up after leaving the Senate to allow his big money donors to contribute to his anti-poverty awareness efforts and get a tax break. It paid for his travel, hotels, meals, etc, yes, BUT THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO. It was very open about it, and got its money from wealthy donors, not little folk. They knew what they were paying for and so did Edwards, but it was just as legal as any modern fundraising and probably more so.
So I apologize to you.
My story: I work for a computer anti-crime task force that operates world wide as a consulting firm for interpol and the rest. We just lost some people in gaza, the hard way. We’re all taking it pretty hard.
good nite all. If anyone sees dmac I still need an address to send Hitchens god book because dmac wants it. It’s boxed and ready to go. Thanks for passing it on…..
demi, ygm.
ccmask @ 160
nite nite.
ps: Another log for the fire is that Silverstein only owned it for two months.
LS @ 157
LS, the link is just to the main page. Which story was interesting?
CTuttle @ 158
No! This is NOT conspiracy theory. Stop that. Why can one not discuss facts without that charge. That is what is ridiculous. I refuse to allow Bush to own the narration of the events of 9/11. Follow the facts. What is wrong with that?
Will do, ccmask. Have a good rest of the evening!
CTuttle @ 158
I heard a little while ago that 80 U.S.academics had signed a petition asking for a full open inquiry on the conspiracy theories of 9/11 … that there was enough evidence to suggest and inside job.
Does anyone have any updates on this?
FYI – I guess Libby won’t have much luck with “my sentence is too harsh“.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 164
I guess I thought the story that Maliki wanted to choose his own allies was interesting. Other things come up on there…just more info..that’s all.
Loo Hoo. @ 139
Um OK I have no link – but Larry Silverstein was the legal owner of the WTC. He bought it from he Port Authority just a few months before the planes hit. His argument was that this was 2 “incidents’ That would give Larry all of his investment back. You can argue all you want about what a pig he is but this is not about Larry’s investment. The minute after Larry bought the WTC he turned around and sold mortgage bonds to the average investor. If Larry does not get his money back – neither do you and I – who are investied in a retirement plan
Pet, do you have a linky on that one? (167)
LS @ 157
There is a breathless disptach from Joke Line. I am starting to get the feeling that the “Sunnis are turning on Al Qaeda” is another spin in this endless parade of lies that have spewed forth from this Bush Mob.
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 171
I’ll go look … the only linky I have is about Hockey … and meditation … *g*
Alfred Kelgarries @ 162
Hmmm, AK, one would presume you’re a recipient of the 60 odd Bil. spent in out-sourcing by the ‘other’ agency! *wink*
Hey CTuttle … what’s for dinner tonight? *g*
BTW, I added a comment in the last thread, FYE – For Your Enjoyment 8~)
(climbing tallest platform)
armstand back facing, double-somersault with one and a half twists in the free position – legs slightly tipped on entry (sigh) with resultant splash
g’evening everyone
hi Suzanne! (wipes face, passes towel)
Helen @ 132
I must admit that my polital awakaning has taken some time and for that I feel a great shame. I lived my life pretty much oblivious to politics for many years. No longer. And I guess I still have a ways to go in understanding how far some will go to win political power. For me the amazement has been the levels of lawbreaking that some people will go to, given the amount of scrutiny.
Petrocelli @ 167
Good. We need an independent open inquiry. I am alarmed by the footage I watched today that occurred on 9/11 where it was reported that W was informed of the first plane hitting the first tower, prior to his trip to the elementary school, and informed reporters that he was aware of what had happened in NY and would discuss it later. He then went to the school…etc., later he told the reporters he had seen the first plane hit on the TV at the elementary school – impossible, because there was no such footage that day. Knowing what I know now about these people, the reports of what happened at that time make me uncomfortable. If you want the link, I will find it, you can listen to the Peter Jennings MSM report right then and there live.
Suzanne @ 176
Oh, so sorry. Is that an 8 or a 9?
LS @ 169
Actually your nose for news is excellent! Maliki has correctly assumed that the idea of arming the sunni tribes for fighting “al queda” is in fact a thinly disguised attempt to make them into proxy fighters for the US against the Shiite militias (including Al Sadr, who is Maliki’s main supporter). This latest flap is in effect his warning to Gates; we have 150,000 of your troops hostage. don’t get cute or we’ll kill them.
The news from Iraq, better every day!
CTuttle @ 174
I WISH. we got our pittance from the police side of the business, with an occasional one-off for DIA, CIA, MI6, etc. Trust me. Would I lie? (No, you CANNOT have my powerpoint slide presentation. neener.)
Survey says Larry Flynt will strike Hollywood Fred Thompson gold with his search for political dirt.
Just a hunch.
-GSD
LS @ 165
Whoa, Nellie!!! I’m not a subscriber to Shrub’s views! I’m sorry for the poor phrasing, I parsed it such for effect, not for deriding the facts on the ground!!! :-(
Alfred Kelgarries @ 181
I can imagine that some Shiites might be thinking that they’re getting stabbed in the back by Bush Jr. Like father like son.
-GSD
Suzanne -
Looked like a TEN to me!
Hello, you.
TRex does Mitt upstairs
Petrocelli @ 173
Damn, I was wondering when you were gonna join us on this thread! I didn’t want to keep jumping back and forth! *g*
GSD @ 185
Like grandfather too. Go check out Prescott Bush. What a piece of work! It does, however, indicate where our current Fuhrer got his obsession with absolute power…
CTuttle @ 174
Whatever it takes, we must stop the International Axis of Evil and The Craw !!! *g*
demi @ 186
Hey suzanne. (wipes water off keyboard). I lost three people to hamas today in gaza. not happy spook tonite, need serious lake therapy. I may sit here and type till morning.
oddmommy @ 43
Oddmommy–Thank you for the post. His spokesman says that Giuliani “believes Alan [Placa] has been unjustly accused.” Why does he think that?
Loo Hoo. @ 171
Hey Loo Hoo, I found this link – Academics claim 9/11 was inside job … will hunt for more … I live to serve you … *g*
Helen@132, I too have dual citizenship and am seriously considering emigrating as well. The worse things get in the States the more they stay the same. A rapacious executive, an impotent Congress, a complacent media, a corporate culture consumed by greed, a public in a somnambilistic stupor. I fear that the system has been so gamed by a ruling elite that any progressive impetus will ultimately be thwarted.
Hmm, I thought the link was in there… try #2.
CTuttle @ 184
I’m sorry, no problem. I KNOW you are not a subscriber to Shrubs views. I misunderstood. It frustrates me (and a whole lot of people in this country) that the minute the “9/11″ word is invoked the next two words are “conspiracy theory”…I just think that it needs to be de-tabooed. It needs to be able to be discussed out in the open. I don’t think it is fair that we have to resort to discussing it in dark alleys because it is so controversial. It happened, we need to deal with it and the facts, no matter where they lead. Peace.
oddmommy @ 43
Oddmommy–Thank you for this post. This story has a long history. Here is a link to a post from March 07 that is interesting. Are Placa and Riordan the two guys (they are lovers) who Rudy moved in with after his last divorce?
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..ani_w.html
Hey Loo Hoo … and everyone else, check out these two sites:
First Linky
and
Second Linky
See ya later, TDS is on …
CTuttle @ 111
sounds like a great letter to the editor called “Back to the Future”
epu’d and probably twice
Swopa is exactly right in every particular. It is very important that the issues he brought up get discussed forthrightly. The candidates are afraid to do so, because they don’t want to get labeled as in favor of continued occupation, but it is easy to envision a four way battle over the territory in a failed state.
nrglaw @ 197
Yuck. To the nth degree. What a piece of work.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 159
so sorry Alfred. Gaza been SUCH a hard road for such a long time. i’m sorry it took some of yours.
greenwarrior @ 202
the really bad part is that it was a paltry sum, just 500K. we’d have paid it out of our slush fund and been happy. But the idiots shot up our people’s computers and that was their only link to us. So the idiot hamas guys lose it and shoot them, then sent us the video at an email they found on the bodies. And we had just taken down a major heroin smuggler that EVERYBODY, including hamas, wanted done. Just peachy.
On the bright side, a major diplo in Turkey is working the syrians on this for us. we may get justice a bit earlier than usual. He has the video, and apparently the leader is known to him personally. Rule One in the ME: DON’T PISS OFF THE TURKS! Hamas may have done just that. we’ll see.
LS @ 84
Here it is. Watch the video of the report that day:
http://prisonplanet.com/articl…..shtold.htm
Comander Guy has repeated this story of seeing WTC 1 hit on television. It was not shown on television but the Naudet brothers filmed it (dvd “9/11″). Of course, an Air Force simulation of an attack on the WTC was being run. But all interceptor jets were sent away. Also numerous warnings of this kind of attack had been given to the CIA and FBI (Bin Laden Determined…)
WTC 7 collapsed in 6 seconds at 5:20 pm, but so far no evidence of significant damage has been presented. Also the collapse of WTC 7 was reported by the BBC before it actually collapsed.
But the issue of Bin Laden organizing the Arab air lift after 9-11 seems impossible. It is either a mistake or evidence of treason.
Is this jerk still a candidate? I am sure he assumed a no lose situation since he will increase his exposure and get even more speaking gigs (though his price was already maxed at about 100k a speech).
I hope that his speaking gig suffers…now if there were only a way to take those millions “hero boy” made and give it to the fire fighters and cops who are the real hero’s (and who died en mass largely due to Rudy… no evacuation practice, no radio communciation between the departments).
The other thing that will always disturb me is leaving the remains, KO on Countdown said it emotionally… leaving the hero’s on the battlfield of America – of New York.
okay, this is interesting.
Dr. R.J. Hillhouse has been on FDL several times, and is apparently a Friend of The Lake (TM,SM). So that’s why I find her latest article a bit puzzling:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r….._with.html
Yeah, Giuliani had a bad week. But what has the world come to when a bad week is a week in which you rake in several million dollars, but take some guff for not having shown up to some important meetings. And then we are here thinking that he is all ‘oopsied’ about that?
I’d hate to have him elected as president, and the sooner he gets out of the race the better. But something’s soooo damned wrong when it takes getting called on missing meetings while making millions before we can call a guy out for being a crappy candidate.
I prefer to call him “America’s ex-husband.”
spork_incident @ 40