I won’t vote for imperialism.

As the fat lady sings;
in the rockets’ red glare;
who’s gonna suck up the blame;
that the flag pole’s gone bare?

Somebody has to give the order to abandon Emerald City.
Some Iraqi group is going to be video’d celebrating, flag raising, flag burning and effigy burning as they enter the Palais de Bush hubris. Will it be Sunnis or Shiite Sadrists? God forbid al Quaeda will even have a cameo appearance.
Bush, on his watch, will never withdraw the troops needed to keep our Embassy operating.
He will let this political conflagration happen on the next, presumably Democrat’, President’s watch.
The world will not soon forget this spectacle when it happens.
It is a political fireball that may sear and burn for decades.
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Just something to think about!
–cognitorex–

The amount of negative comments for this blog demonstrates what is wrong with the so-called progressive movement. They want out of Iraq so bad that they couldn’t care less what the consequences of it are. They are thinking with their hearts and not their heads. Responsible nations clean up their messes, and this one is a whopper. If we are to restore respect for our country we have to do the responsible thing regardless of how much it sucks. Immediately withdrawing all of our troops isn’t the magic answer, it won’t make the problem just go away.

The so-called progressives label such talk NeoCon propaganda because if they can make it seem distasteful otherwise reasonable people might ignore it. It’s the same game the NeoCons play with the “liberal” label.

Two faces of the same ugly lie.

The simple truth is that, probably as a conscious Bush/Cheney fallback strategy, Iraq has no meaningful air force or other infrastructure for protecting its borders. So if, after a complete U.S. withdrawal, Turkey decided it might be a good idea to grind Kurdistan into a fine powder, they might just take a swing at it. And while it’s far too late to keep Iran from a major role in a post-occupation Iraq, it’s not clear that Saudi Arabia and other neighboring Sunni countries are willing to accept that fait accompli. So all the ingredients for a regional war are there, unless someone is willing to set up an unofficial fence around the Iraqi abyss until the dust, smoke, and blood of the factional infighting has settled.

See, my problem with this is sort of the same as my problem with Joe Biden’s fairyland of three Iraqs. Who’s going to enforce it? If the Turks (for instance) start seriously carving away at the Kurds, are we really going to begin bombing the army of a country with 75 million people that controls the entrance to the Black Sea? Could we really stop a serious Iranian drive on the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr or even Baghdad, if the Shiites there were supporting them? The crazies in DC may be ready to go to war with Iran, but are they really ready to do the same with Turkey? Does Turkey think so? Does anyone think we can afford to drop that amount of munitions? And would other interested countries just sit around while the US is carrying out long-range air attacks from the Persian Gulf carriers or would they use the time to inch a little closer to their goals in Iraq.

This plan is just stupid.

Where are the DEM contestants on American Empire in the ME? On American militarism at the now going rate of around one trillion per year?

Where are the DEM contestants on putting in place a national war tax,a national military service callup or on the extensive use of mercenaries in Iraq?

The use of terms like “redeployment,over the horizon and border containment/sentinel force” are wiggle-room terms for saying something to get around being honest on American Empire or ME militarism.

If the DEM presidential contestants want to stay on in or around Iraq then they need to address war taxes,the Bush/Cheney tax cuts and where they stand on American hegemony in the ME.

If they refuse to do so or try duck,dodge and digress then the game is up.

They are for doing more of what Bush/Cheney and the warmongers want.

Stand and deliver or show the flag you fly then is where this leads to.

Over at TheYoungTurks it is GOROBAMA time.

Al Gore. Please run. Please. GOROBAMA. I can and will vote yes to that idea. :-)

This is my favorite quote from Blackadder:

If you play straight with me you’ll find me a considerate employer. But cross me and you’ll soon discover that under this playful, boyish exterior beats the heart of a ruthless, sadistic maniac.
— Lord Edmund Blackadder, 1661

Here’s my favorite quote … from me … Shit Happens … Clean It !

If you play straight with me you’ll find me a considerate employer. But cross me and you’ll soon discover that under this playful, boyish exterior beats the heart of a ruthless, sadistic maniac.
— Lord Edmund Blackadder, 1661

Alfred Kelgarries @ 288

The proper response is to take said fool at his word and…(you can guess the rest):>

I look forward to that discussion. When I am feeling a bit better, a’ course.

I keep a text file on all my servers called “cleverbits”. They auto synch with each other, so i put into whichever one i’m working on any clever sigs or postings I encounter on Teh Toobz. Here’s my favorite about religion/spirituality:

“Spirituality is one’s relationship to the Divine. Religion is crowd control.”
–Swami Beyondadanda

You read my thoughts … if I weren’t such an ardent devotee of Ahimsa, I would throttle the bastard !!! *g*

… love the quote, BTW …

I keep switching from the next thread to here, I’m enjoying this one too much, not to revisit it! I love the quote too!!!