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He’s a friggin’ cash cow:
When the MoveOn.org Political Action Project found out that Lieberman was one of the hosts of a $3,000-a-person Washington fundraiser tonight for Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the grass-roots, anti-war group pounced.
MoveOn has long been at odds with Lieberman, a strong backer of the war who won re-election last year as an independent. He has worked together with Collins for years as leaders of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
The word went out from MoveOn Tuesday: Donate money to defeat Collins, who could face a tough re-election battle next year, it told members in an e-mail.Within 24 hours, more than 5,600 members donated an average of $63 each, for a total of $355,000.
MoveOn, knowing a good thing, decided to keep it going, and Wednesday sent out another e-mail.
“Wow,” the organization said. “In less than 24 hours, thousands of us around the country chipped in more than $280,000 to help anti-war candidates beat Joe Lieberman’s pro-war fundraiser. It’s amazing.
Collins’ opponent Tom Allen seems to be well aware of this, per his Blue America appearance here on FDL. You can kick Joe by giving to Allen here.
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Hey!
Hope you are well Jane
everyone is still downstairs watching the McNulty hearing.
I’d like to kick Joe alright, but it’s not right to say it out loud here.
*g*
hiya Jane!
My joy of reading Jane Hamsher write contemptuously about Joe Lieberman will never subside.
Is the McNulty hearing on CSPAN?
Oh this is quite enjoyable to read.
I can only imagine how much more Susan Collins voice is quivering now.
Speaking of quack-partisanship, David Broder watches MATLOCK
AnnieW @ 8
link
It seems fairly clear that, barring any (sadly somewhat typical) meltdowns by Democrats, they should pick up some seats in the House and Senate.
I sincerely hope that if and when they do gain seats in the Senate in 08, they kick Joe to the curb in the fightin’ 111th. They shouldn’t even let him caucus with them anymore. He is such a Republican. How the folks in CT could have missed the slime trail is beyond me.
(And I’m a moderate, centrist-leaning Democrat! And I still can’t stand him.)
Anniew –It’s on C-Span3.
McN: I was first consulted in October/Novemer.
We need to link Joe to other Republican Moderates before they wise up!
I learned to dislike Lieberman during his “debate” with Cheney where he tried to inhale Cheney’s ass.
Force this bum to leave the party. Don’t let him caucus with my party, ignore him and embarrass him. Strip him of all responsibility within the Democratic Party. Anything to get rid of Lieberman.
Dems may net one or two sentate seats- but probably no major pickups as it looks now. Could stand pat or lose a seat too.
He used to have some fairly legit liberal creds.
His views on the war have apparently changed his outlook on mnay things. For him to not even want to investigate the Katrina debacle shows that he is NOT who the people in CT used to know.
It appears that rather than getting a wake up call from being defeated in the primaries, it’s made him more stubborn.
great story jane…moveon got it wrong though;
he wasn’t an independant he was from the party;
“liberman for liars” or something like that
McN reading his quotes…before he said he ‘assumed’ the WH approved, and now he is saying that meant he ‘knew’ the WH approved – do I have that right?
OT – Ashcroft: U.S. Attorney Scandal Has Not Damaged The Justice Department ~ ThinkProgress
How is it possible that Sanchez comes to this hearing without the seminal text from the Senate hearing that she is questioning McNulty about?
Any thoughts on Sanchez’s questioning?
dusting off an old but enduring chestnut:
“my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.”
Hallelujah! Marginalizing that horse’s ass is a truly delightful endeavor.
McNulty resigned in the middle of an investigation!
If Lieberman is raising money for Collins, that means he is helping fund Republicans. This man is actually working to defeat Democrats.
McNulty is flyin’ his
freak flagRepublican flag high today.Why does that make me think of someone else we know?
And if I absolutely must surrender my discretion, yes, I am speaking of W.
Conyers up!!
rwcole @ 15
He is in the WH employ, a la Armstrong Williams.
Cannon just said the president should set priorities. Mc Nulty contradicted him and said that the USAs set priorities
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
he is a Vichy-ous traitor.
Is it me or is McNulty being incredibly mealymouthed in his answers? It seems to me that he is saying that nothing happened and that things are being misuderstood including his and Goodling’s contradictory testimony. This is disturbing.
Joe’s supporters think that the war in Iraq is somehow helping Israel. We need to educate them that 1) America cannot afford to keep this war going on forever 2) We need to start planning for how the middle east will look after we leave granted not good 3) The longer we stay the less able and likely America will be to help Israel in the future 4) Do they really think that our troops staying another Friedmen Unit will change anything? A real fair peace with Palestine is the best security Israel could have Bill Clinton’s Peace plan seems like a good place to start.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
gee. don’t hold back on our account. heh
Lieberman is a Quisling. Not only a traitor to his party but a traitor to his country.
Conyers: We may nee dto enforce subpoenas what is the policy of DOJ tp help enforce subpoenas?
McNulty: I am recused re document production Re; policy – don’t know.
Conyers: would you help us bring charges of crim contempt if these subpoenas are not honored.
McNulty: I’m recused. Haven’t a clue.
punaise @ 24
my #7 above is an homage to fdl’s paronomasiac laureate – punaise!
Typhoid Joey
Conyers: Will you help us bring charges of criminal contempt if our subpoenas are not answered appropriately?
McN: I’m recused, so, um, no.
Conyers: we want you to do what DOJ is there to do.
McNulty parsing. First question is policy (once again he hasn’t a clue) second question is these particular (I’m recused)
Oh yeah baby!
I downloaded an add on to Firefox and now I can do the split screen thing.
I am likin’ this.
McNulty where is that “integrity trumps loyalty?”
Hugh @ 34
This is exactly what every witness has said. Of course it’s disturbing but the Dems do not seem to be bothered as much as the blogosphere.
Conyers: Who in WH was consulted re: firings.
Mc: Look at documents
Conyers: we know that already. You’re the #2 man in this operation. Was this consultation with Miers?
Mc: The email
Conyers: No not the email.
This is an incredibly powerful tool that might completely isolate RGJoe from those for whom he’d like to fundraise. What BlueDog or GOPer will want RGJoe to hold them a fundraiser, with the opposition poised to do this — MoveOne’s followup email, sent yesterday?
I can hear these sweet words all through the Capitol tomorrow: “Gee, thanks, Joe, but I can’t afford for you to hold a fundraiser for me! My opponent will twice outraise you, just like Tom Allen did. Who needs that hassle??”
BWAHAHAHAHA !~!
McNulty’s role in the A*P*C espionage trial
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..trial.html
McN: All I know about consultation with WH is Nov 7 email from Sampson to WH counsel.
Conyers: Sounds like you’re cutting yourself out of the loop.
Joe is going to help raise early money for Tom Allen. I usually wouldn’t send money this early in the campaign cycle; however, after reading Americablog last night, it pissed me off so much, that I sent Allen a couple of c’s.
Colbert needs to do a take-off on this delightful sprite behind & off to the right of McNutlie.
-hilarious twit impersonation… possibly a “tell” whenever da boss is lyin’???
Conyers: Remember that you are a trusted former staffer on Judiciary. We want to know where the lines from DOJ to WH are.
Canon: Please extend Conyers time. This is the crux of the hearing. WOO BOY
Mc: All the info I told you and the emails explain everything
Joe Lieberman can go straight to hell as far as I’m concerned.
OT but fun:
Seriously, can we please, please have these people hire someone who can write a coherent set of questions? This is a sub of the Judiciary Committee, and they can’t even ask real or probing questions.
Politicians = morons.
They should glue their aides to their heads. Might make this hearing less painful.
McNulty “I was consulted at the end of the process” McNulty set up for an ass kicking resignation!
Biodun @ 52
Naw, he needs to stop and pick up Cheney first.
Conyers: Monica said she should not attend the Senators biefing so they wouldn’t know the WH was involved.
Mc: My focus was on providing the info re: removal (corrects himself) resignations
I was concerned about it appearing political, not that it actually was political
Somehow i doubt Joe’d feel a donation to Allen would be as painful to NoMoJo as a knee to the testicles…
but probly that’s just me…
Floggin’ My Blogs–June 21, 07
More dire news on the environmental front: It’s the end of the world as we know it. http://www.walled-in-pond.blogspot.com
Meanwhile, genetic and ideological purity are conjoined in the minds of the Bushevik lickspittles controlling career hires at the DoJ. http://www.thewell-armedlamb.blogspot.com
Tunes to accompany all the preceding (including an RIP for Antonio Aguilar, who died Tuesday), from many sources and on several subjects.
http://www.woodyguthriesguitar.blogspot.com
and if you didn’t get a chance to listen, be sure to check out Terri Gross’s ( http://www.npr.org/templates/r…..p?prgId=13 ) interview today on the subject of the indebtedness/slavery of the Citizenry to Peabody Coal.
have a nice day…
The Older I Get, The Better I Usta Be…
My dog might bite ya too, Ric…
Paul McNulty and the A*P*C Rosen/Weismann espionage trial
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..trial.html
Keller: Let’s begin with the areas of agreement.
I’d like someone to ask McN whether he thought it was appropriate that he was ‘consulted’ at the time he was.
Keller kissing ass, getting ready for the full on slobber fest.
Keller giving a hypthetical. One that didn’t come close to happening.
Keller: clarify the incompletions.
- you know, that’s a good question….not that I think we’ll get a good answer….
Say it ain’t so, Ralph!
Ralph Nader says he is seriously considering running for president in 2008 because he foresees another Tweedledum-Tweedledee election that offers little real choice to voters.
“You know the two parties are still converging — they don’t even debate the military budget anymore,” Nader said in a 30-minute interview. “I really think there needs to be more competition from outside the two parties.”
Steve @ 50
Worked on me, I’m already in for a hundred bucks.
But I’m a total roundheels on this.
I’d like someone to ask: okay, McN, you say you didn’t intentionally mislead anyone. But did you intentionally obfuscate? Was there an effort by anyone at the Justice Department, of which you are aware, who intentionally obfuscated matters before Congress?
Here’s what’s good here. They are now scrambling to excuse “inconsistencies” and “incompleteness” of their testimonies. And not doing a very good job of it.
Also, Keller is clearly leading him from a pre-arranged script. And the script stinks. they don’t have much to work with here.
Bustednuckles @ 63
Once again it is appearing that the Dems are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The Republicans have a coherent strategy while the Dems ramble and unprepared. Their questioning leaves a lot to be desired.
Johnson: Deligation order to Kyle and Monica
McN can’t think of anything specific that was incomplete in his testimony.
I know it’s probably hot under the glare of the camera lights, but, come on, he can’t think of anything specific? I’m calling BS.
Bluetoe @ 71
the buddhist is up!
McNulty’s memory is becoming fuzzy. How surprising.
Johnson: Are you familiar with the order
Mc: Now I am
Johnson: When?
Mc Read it in the paper recently. I had no connection to it and have no recollection of seeing it before.
Johnson: But they could hire and fire in your office.
Mc: Well, that kind of how it was conducted.
Johnson: No it wasn’t
Mc; That’s a difficult question
Hank Johnson interesting questions
but not following up– McNulty saying that he did NOT have authority to hire his own COS –
This is an important line of questions.
Bob in HI
“I can’t say it’s true or false, it doesn’t fit that way.”
Last time I checked, things kind of have to fit that way…
“It appears that rather than getting a wake up call from being defeated in the primaries, it’s made him more stubborn.”
He got elected by goopers- so now he needs ta suck him some gooper ass. It’s very PRINCIPLED- if ya see what he means.
Bustednuckles @ 43
Busted – may I ask which extension does that magical trick? Thanks-
J: didn’t it bother you that Sampson and Goodling made you into their bitch?
Johnson: What was the purpose of the deligation that you learned about a month ago in a magazine article.
Mc: delegates to Monica and Kyle to make hiring decisions in AG office. Have no memory of that order being done.
Johnson: Did it surprise you that your authority was taken away from you
Mc Remember the routing that I should be out of the loop.
Johnson’s purty good(!)
1st time i’ve seen mcn squirm, & the lil’ twit over his right shoulder’s even more animated – heh.
anne @ 81
Uh, it depends on how you define “bitch”.
Johnson: Do you now that Elston called the fired USA and told them to shut up?
Mc: Knew about Jan call (to Cummins); not Mar (with the threats)
Ed*ard Teller @ 67
He is an ass but he IS correct. He is the wrong vessel for this, however. Unfortunately, so is Bloomberg. I see NO one in this gig, except MAYBE Ron Paul. who might get into actually fighting about getting the military budget DOWN rather than up up up…and Paul is the wrong vessel as well.
dougie @ 77
But what he’s indicating is someone else was involved, and Johnson didn’t stop to ask WHO!!!
Bob in HI
Johnson is good because he has the Voice of God. I think they should sic him on W., might confuse him into some truth-confessing.
Jane Hamsher is far too kind and generous in spirit concerning Lieberman. They just showed him on the noon news following Obama around CT today. What Obama, who supported Joe at one of his local fundraising dinners, does NOT need is that albatross Lieberman around his neck!!! Somebody wise him up.
I may be wrong at 85 re: dates.
McNulty now spewing out Elston’s BS that Elston wasn’t threatening anybody. We were worried about privacy of those fired.
deandra @ 89
Are you saying Obama and Lieberman were actually campaigning together? That would be quite newsworthy.
And disgusting.
I heard the Lieberman ran for re-election (2006) under a party that was created specifically for him, “Connecticut for Lieberman” but he never officially joined the party.
If that is true is it legal to run under the auspices of a specific party when the reality you really do not belong to that party? Wouldn’t that be fraudulent to advertise you belong to a party, run for a political office, when you never belonged in the first place….
Hoping somebody can answer these questions….
Thanks—–
dougie @ 88
W is incapable of stating the truth, even when it might help. Nor will he ever hear the voice of God in the entire future of this universe.
Ed*ard Teller @ 93
Not even when the alleged god says, “bye bye”?
If Obama keeps f*cking up he’ll finally lose my support. (Disclosure: I’m African-American.) He’s allowing Joe to follow him around?
Helen @ 90
Yeah. Lest anyone wonder anymore…
McNulty is fully in the bag. Damn shame.
N=1 says ,
Busted – may I ask which extension does that magical trick? Thanks.
Its called split browser and IIRC, it’s about 3 pages in on the add on list.
Sorry I can’t be more specific.
I’m not real savvy with these things.
Biodun @ 95
Disclosure, I’m Norwiegan American and I’ve had enough already!
“A*P*C Prosecutor Caught up in Justice Dept. Scandal”
http://www.forward.com/article…..artment-s/
A*P*C Prosecutor resigns
http://www.forward.com/blogs/c…..r-resigns/
If Fitzgerald had been taken out of the Libby investigation/trial how huge would that have been to the process and the hearing?
Is it huge that McNulty (resigned) was taken out of the A*P*C espionage trial via the Attorney General scandal?
How does his resignation effect that investigaion /trial?
Here’s how Charlie Cook analyses the senate races for 08:
Toss up races: Allard- gooper- Co. (in Cookspeak- this means Allard is probably toast).
LEAN towards incumbent:
dem Landrieu La.
Goopers Collins Me, Coleman Mn,
seven other races- two dem- five gooper- COULD become competitive although they are not currently
Pryor Ar dem, Johnson SD dem
Steven AK, Sununu NH, Dole NC, Domenici NM, Smith OR.–all goopers
Certainly FAVORS a dem pick up of a seat or two
Could lose one in La, and gain in Colorado and Mn.
McNulty: remembering stuff is hard.
“A*P*C Prosecutor Caught up in Justice Department Scandal” at Forward
http://www.forward.com/article…..artment-s/
McNulty is totally in the bag. This is going nowhere.
I guess it’s probably somewhat normal, but I still find it a little…creepy…or disturbing, or some other adjective, that all the people who have testified have indicated that they have meticulously combed the testimonies of everyone else and the documents released by the DoJ.
Just a soul-sad feeling you get when you think that they’re just trying to figure out what they can and cannot say–according to the documents, not the truth.
I’m still an idealist. Boo.
But now it’s Delahunt’s turn. He at least typically has a few neurons rubbing together.
Did McNulty just testify that he didn’t notice until recently that he couldn’t hire and fire people in his office? Has anyone entered or left his office since February 7, 2006? Did he not know about this for over a year? This isn’t about being out of the loop. It sounds more like being off planet.
Why is McNulty being so evasive?
Obviously, he knew nothing about what was going on with Goodling and Sampson and Gonzo and the WH. Why doesn’t that bother him?
He apparently has no clue as to how and why people were hired or fired even in his own office – if you are to believe him. I believe he knew nothing, but I do not understand why he is being so protective. It does not make sense at all.
He sounds like a bonehead. How can this be?
AnnieW at#18
That’s right. And outside of people who pay close attention to politics during non-election years, people here are probably not really aware of how far Joe is from their position. Joe seems to behave as if the people of CT are must misguided, and if we knew as much as he did about, well, everything we’d understand just how right he is. It’s just going to get worse.
I bet he seriously thinks he could be Bloomberg’s running mate.
jayt @ 101
And we thought what was going to happen?
I hesitate to support any candidate at this point in time. Many of our last “blue america” candidates used us as a toilet.
let’s get behind someone when it is time. we, the people, can’t show our approval of this ridiculous electioneering that now starts the day someone is elected. I received requests for money from candidates within weeks of the election.
this is why this country is so badly prepared for the disaster to come. we do not plan for anything based on infrastructure. we seem only to live for the now.
congress people deserve to be elected or not based on their performance. new ones based on their platform. if they are still standing, they will be elected. this is June, 2007. the election is still more than a dozen months. it is wrong and is based on the world of teevee
I am not sure I can ever vote again for someone that advertises. it seems that it would defeat the purpose.
Delahunt: You were the caboose in the process? You were left out of it?
Mc: Yes – may not have been intentional.
Delahunt: You were unaware until a month ago about the delegation order. It was clear that they should route it around you.
N=1,
It’s an extension.
jayt @ 101
And we thought what was going to happen?
Hugh @ 101
The Order was dessigned to be secret from him – I think…but you’d think he would be suspicious if suddenly Sampson and Goodling were trampling on his turf.
“Out of the loop” thrown off of the boat and caught up in the net.
“Zoned out”
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
I know I’ve said this before, but since it is infinite and eternal it bears repeating.
jayt @ 103
‘Totally in the bag’ – what’s that mean?
LS @ 104
My guess: everyone in the senior administration of Bush’s government appears to be a bonehead. Or amnesiac. Or still not evolved from primitive life-forms.
Nov. 27 meeting. First direct communication to him about the “plan”.
Wordsmith @ 109
His isn’t going to say anything that is going to mean anything. Who’d a thunk it!
jayt @ 103
He was “out of the loop” but I feel like we are going around and around in the loop.
Who will be asking the questions that he said he is looking forward to?
Somebody got to him. They threatened this guy somehow. Why bother with the forceful and immediate statement on the day of Goodling’s testimony?
Why is it he never questioned why hiring/firing was repositioned to the little children just before he took the job? Was it because there was built-in plausible deniability?
Or was his denial on the day of Goodling’s testimony solely to get himself off the hook for any lawsuits the dismissed USA’s may file because their reputations were impugned by McNulty’s original testimony?
I had high hopes for this f*cker and he’s blown it. He can serve time too unless he produces in a big fat hurry. I hope Iglesias is already drafting a suit for defamation.
Del: Did Gonzalez call you in and say we have a list of 8 – what do you think?
Mc: Not before the calls to fire them. But I was in the Nov 27 meeting. It was about the plan. Was my first communication about this.
Del: AG said that he (McNulty) signed off on the names and would know best about the qualifications.
Someone must have threatened him. His reaction is inappropriate to the matter.
“I sincerely hope that if and when they do gain seats in the Senate in 08, they kick Joe to the curb in the fightin’ 111th. They shouldn’t even let him caucus with them anymore.”
Tell that to Harry Reid. he’s the one who embraced Lieberman earlier this year, leading a round of applause for the bastard and assuring him of seniority even though he’s not really a democrat anymore.
“He is such a Republican. How the folks in CT could have missed the slime trail is beyond me.”
That question should be directed to the Connecticut Post, the Hartford Courant, and all the other papers in the Nutmeg state that endorsed him. In the case of the Post, they seem to have been shamed into attacking Joe a lot on the op-ed page, but they’ve never mentioned their endorsement since: in fact they scrubbed it from the site. It’s hard to get a cached version too.
Did Delahunt just say McNulty was thrown under the bus, or was that my highly active imagination.
newtonusr @ 96
CTVoter @ 106
Bloomberg is not that stupid. If he were, he would be selling pencils instead of being worth $5 billion.
I love the coquettish way in which Loretta asked Delahunt if he wanted an additional minute.
deandra @ 89
Obama supported Joe at a funder?
Please, oh please tell me it post primary.
Hee, hee, hee.
Even wrapped in an Armani suit, a machine tool is clunky.
Especially a Chicago machine tool.
Obama and Joe serve the same master: megacorp power.
They make a fitting couple – hope Joe cuddles him at every stop.
LS @ 123
Did the NSA tape him? What do they have on this guy?
egregious @ 125
Yes he said that.
Another name!
He has family in the old country.
Whose name did you take off? Is it Fitzgerald?
Cohen: Who did you take of the list
Mc: Not public
Cohen: that’s why we’re asking
Mc: your staff knows.
raven @ 109
optimism is gonna be the death of me yet. I really hoped that McNulty had resigned for a substantive reason, which he would share in front of the Committee today.
But – not so much, huh?
LS @ 104
I am sure that he was told, very clearly, that if he wanted to have a career and feed his family, he should be a good boy.
Biodun @ 130
Just seemed like a blog kind of thing to say, and yet there he is in Congress talking about someone being thrown under the bus. Humorous.
Very good relationship with Goodling…
Doesn’t know why Goodling challenged his testimony.
brendancalling @ 124
Well, he kind of had to, so the Dems could keep control of the Senate. If they hadn’t given Liebs the royal treatment, he may have gone Red. Which would mean they would have lost the Senate, with the Veep breaking the tie.
(Right?)
If ya put yer money on “nothing will happen as a result of this investigation” and get even money odds- and let it ride- ye’ll be a billionaire by the election.
egregious @ 125
Not unless your imagination and mine are in cahoots.
deandra @ 89
Obama says Lieberman is his mentor.
This line is particulalrlyu schweeet:
“I know that some in the party have differences with Joe,” Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. “I’m going to go ahead and say it. It’s the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don’t agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman’s a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America.”
Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: “I am absolutely certain that Connecticut’s going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate.”
Can you feel that Obama fever?
McNulty didn’t resign for reasons of principle but rather for big bucks in the corporate sector.
jayt @ 135
Nah, I don’t think so. I mean the idea that these dudes are not leaned heavily on is just totally silly.
McN says he wants to address the other 3 corrections he has to make regarding what MG said about him – someone should let him – use their last 10 seconds to say: ok, talk all you want about the other 3.
Cohen: What’s diff in moral between now and Bush 1.
Mc: Another hard question.
Maybe the email was right. He is lazy. Too lazy to find out what’s going on in his own office.
Or, he’s lying.
Bluetoe @ 143
Spend more time with his family.
rwcole @ 99
A rare off-season poll by a reputable pollster came out earlier this week, which shows Stevens more vulnerable than he has been in his entire congressional career:
likelihood to vote for Ted Stevens in 2008:
very likely – 28%
somewhat likely – 22%
somewhat unlikely – 13%
very unlikely – 30%
don’t know/refused – 6%
Don Young is in even worse shape.
Helen @ 101
Hi Helen! And, thanks. I’ll just be reading today. Have a good one. PEACE
Come on Mel, make a sap out of me!
egregious @ 137:
This expression originated in the blogosphere but has now seeped into general lexicon. Another example of the blogoshere’s influence. *g*
New thread, first zed!
Biodun @ 152
throw (someone) under the busv. phr. to reject or betray (someone); to treat as a scapegoat; to put out of favor or at a disadvantage. Subjects: English, Sports & Recreation, Slang
Watts: Monica said that Sen Dominici raised concerns about USA Iglesias and inidcated that she briefed you about that prior to your senate testimony. Proof in her handwritten notes. Monica also said that she told you not to reference these conversations in briefing congress.
Mc: To the best of my memory…
Watts: Did she instruct you not to mention Domenici
Mc: I don’t remember it that way.
Was it McNulty who said that his resignation involved the sudden realization that his kids are going to go to college someday?
And that he has no job lined up for after his resignation is effective?
McNulty – Monica may be correct.
Hey kdh22 been wondering where you were.
Why did they keep him out of the loop until the end of the “process”? Who and why?
There are fewer USA’s in America than there are starting pitchers in Major League Baseball.
There are fewer USA’s in America than there are members of the United States Senate.
There are fewer USA’s in America than there are grains of…
You fired a bunch of United States Attorneys, and no one – NO ONE knows who picked’em?
Well, I will wait until the hearing is over before I send this addition to selise to insert in my scandals list. But so far, this is the way it looks:
kathleen @ 160
At this point I don’t believe a word of what he says. We haven’t a clue where he was in the loop. ALl we know is that the memo bypassed him.
Watt: Who put the list together?
If he says consensus I’m gonna scream
Mc: Kyle put it together over a long period of time after conversations kept changing it.
Watt: Was the AG involved?
Mc: AG says he directed Kyle to begin the process.
McNulty was not out of the loop why would any loyal Bushie be out of the loop?
Helen @ 159
No rest for the wicked…lol. Been working and navigating unwanted drama! All is well tho. Hope you are well too!
McNulty saying Sampson put the list of firings together– but then he goes into passive constructions where the subject of the sentence is always left out. He carefully leaves out Rove’s name, always moving into passive constructions when his role comes up.
Bob in HI
All these repubs remind me of a cheating husband. The husband lies. The wife knows he’s lying. The husband knows that the wife knows he’s lying but is quite pleased with himself that nothing can be proved. While he’s feeling invincible, trust is destroyed and the marriage is ruined.
Congratulations, repubs, you are winning the battles and losing the war.
Mc: said he’s worried about the process appearing political.
ASK HIM WHY? If you can fire for any reason then it’s OK if it was political. Right?
Wait. He just said he didn’t instruct Elston to make the calls. Earlier, I swear he said he did.
raven @ 155:
Thanks. Did it really originate in sports in the US? I first encountered it in the blogosphere.
I think Sanchez just caught him about Elston.
McNulty is just another entitled white boy who will do whatever to keep what he has. No courage, no values, no morals – jezzus, they just make me sick.
Hey All – the mods have asked us to stay here re: McNulty
FYI: there’s a new thread but mods asked for hearing posts to stay in this thread.
Cannon: Let’s hurry this up.
Keller: It looks like Monica is mad at you.
OH SHIT – he’s gonna go with the scorned woman.
Helen @ 174
Yeah. Poor Tula’s posted again during a liveblogging.
Keller: Monica and Tim Griffin were friends. You said that Cummins was removed for Griffin. Was Monica trying to get back at you?
If they are careful, they can trip him up on keeping “the others’” stories straight. I can’t wait to read the transcript.
Helen @ 169
Politics is a reason to fire these guys the WH got cute though and tried to say they were not fired for political reasons but job performance. That is the lie that got them into trouble several of these prosecutors had great job performance evaulations. That lie opened the door to questions about wether they pissed off the WH by not pursing bogus vote fraud cases or coruption charges against Democrats before the election. The US Attorneys who stayed on are now tainted by questions of tanked cases like the tobbaco settlement and pursuing bogus vote fraud cases before the election that went nowhere. McNulty has to claim ignorance or risk getting hit with questions he knows are coming prejury today in the hopes somehow tommarow forgets. I wonder if he could be disbarred?
Caging issue:
I was aware of an article on the subject, but didn’t know anything about it personally. I was given an article and explanation the night before my testimony.
dougie @ 55
I wonder why they don’t hire outside lawyers to do the questioning. They did back during the Ollie North hearings.
Biodun @ 171
Well, here’s one that traces it back to Cindi Lauper in 1984
Under the Bus But recall that Cindi was also into wrestling.
Of course “On the bus or off the bus” comes from the “Electic Kool Aid Acid Test”. The bus was Further and it meant you either got loaded or you didn’t.
Did Senator Scheumer set a trap for McNulty? Or as LHP has speculated are Scheumer and McNulty coming out with a bomb?
Conyers bringin up Palast articles.
Conyers: Did you just sya you didnt know anything about caging?
MC: Read an article
Conyers: Palast article re: African Amer soldiers?
MC: Yes.
Conyers: And didn’t Monica tell you that caging might come up at he hearing as she was briefing you?
Mc: Yes it did come up.
Kathleen @ 184
I cannot imagine McNulty is anywhere near the side of Schumer. He is, as we have all decided, in the bag.
I think that it is clear that no one can be the No. 2 under Gonzales like McNulty and not be dysfunctional.
It’s about time they got to the caging issues. Of course McNulty is going to play dumb.
McNulty confessing to ignorance about caging, even though he’s #2 in the DOJ
Obviously, disenfranchising voters is not a big deal to him, and he considers it not worthy of his attention.
Bob in HI
Conyers: You had the caging info when you first came before us. You said nothing. Why does it not generate much concern for you? Voter rights is one of our big problems.
Mc: We’re dealing with 2 things: what did I know on Feb 6 hearing. I thought I was gonna talk about the firings. The caging stuff was not on the agenda
LHP is ussally right about these things but will the bomb hit today or when someone else testifies at a latter date? I’m hopping they got an email or document that directly contradicts his testimony and they release it later to the press. Shouldn’t we have an independent prosecutor look into this the justice dept really can’t be expected to investigate itself considering how obviously political it is.
Helen @ 187
I cannot imagine McNulty is anywhere near the side of Schumer. He is, as we have all decided, in the bag.
Scheumer goes radically wrong on some issues!
Was article about Greg Palast??? 6/16/06 article.
Didn’t Monica tell you caging might come up in the hearing? Yes.
Did it come up. Yes
Even though you saw the article and it was put in your briefing book, you didn’t look at the material?
I didn’t read the article.
So, you basically didn’t think caging of black voters was important priority?
Have you looked into the subject?
Caging is challenging lists of minority voters. We have a whole train of testimony, major issue in major issues. You’re saying, I was told, I was briefed, I looked at article…why aren’t you concerned? Why no attention to this?
McN: I was about to go and testify. The article was not related to what I was going to testify about. If you are raising with me the question of caging, I’ll work with you as Dep.AG.
Conyers: I’m happy for you to work with me on it.
What a crock of shit.
Buddhist up.
raven @ 195
And it is abundently clear that he is full of it. Even more so than Alvin. We need him in front of Henry and/or Whitehouse.
Johnson: You said Cummins was “forced out” so that Griffin could serve.
Johnson just caught him again. He just admitted he was briefed all along about the USA’s by Goodling. Refers to June/Cummins. Earlier he said he was unaware of anything until Oct/Nov.
Mc: We thought Tim Griffin was gonn agothe the proper process – nomination and hearings.
Did they eat qualudes before this hearing, or do I need a Starbucks double espresso?
Did I just do a commercial on this blog?
Mc: We thought Tim Griffin was gonna go through the proper process – nomination and hearings.
Breaking: Senate Judiciary Committee Issues Subpoenas For NSA Domestic Spying Documents
Thanks for the opportunity to contribute to Allen’s campaign. And since I’m a Californian, thanks for the opportunity on Act Blue to contribute to CA candidates.
Why did he resign?
McNulty can’t put it together that an interim US attorney was accused by Monica Goodling of vote caging, that the DOJ has a Voting Rights section as part of its Civil Rights Division, and that maybe he as the No. 2 at the DOJ might be interested in that. Yeah, I believe that. Now where can I buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
Bob Schacht @ 190
Beat me to it. McNulty is totally unbelievable.
twolf1 @ 202
Yes! The Republicans “subpoena envy” growing!
OT but I am sure this will garner some interest:
Waxman is not HAPPY!
Hugh @ 206
Beat me to it. McNulty is totally unbelievable.
Oh, man. He’s falling apart here.
Gonzo angry that there was NOT a performance issue with Cummins – angry about McNulty’s testimony.
Goodling said she had kept you informed about briefing you about Cummins since the summer, and that WH had approved Griffin for background check.
What is your response.
All of this is true. I didn’t know how we came to know about how Griffin came to our attention. I didn’t know that at the time.
email – “McNulty strikes again” S.Taylor email
Was she angry?
Email speaks for itself. McNulty refuses to say Bud is lazy…did you believe at that time that Cummins was lazy? No one has ever described him as being lazy to me. So you disagreed with that characterization? I just don’t know where that was coming from. No one encouraged me to say that in testimony.
Did Sampson ever brief you about delegation order? I don’t remember. I have no memory of that prior to reading that story. Doesn’t stand out in my mind.
Sorry
[Mod: Don’t worry. Duplicate comment removed.]
Kathleen @ 212
Is there an echo in here? :)
twolf1 @ 202
oh my!
LS @ 211
I’m assuming this is the hiring/firing delegation. Sampson briefs him that he McNulty can’t hire and fire people in his office and he doesn’t remember. Again totally unbelievable.
Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) asking about ACORN suit in MO, Graves & Schlozman in MO.
“The Senate Judiciary Committee just voted 13-3 to authorize chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) to issue subpoenas for documents related to the NSA warrantless surveillance program. Sens. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) voted with the Democrats on the committee to authorize the subpoenas for any legal opinions and advice the Bush administration has received regarding the NSA program.”
Et Tu Orrin?
Schlozman selection. I have no memory of being involved in his selection.
When Schlozman brought case against ACORN right before the election contrary to policy…are you familiar with ACORN case. Yes.
Margolis.
Schlozman said it was Elston….oh, I see you’re talking about ACORN.
We told W. Dist. of MO to hold off. We checked into Pub. Integrity section, found out that the criminal division supported it going forward at that time, and we told AG office no problem with going forward.
What about the policy? Pub Integ. said okay.
Are you aware Schlozman wants to clarify that they never directed or advised him in this case.
McN: scrambling….semantics…
Please follow-up in writing.
Man, he is protecting Alvin bigtime.
McNulty fronts for Brad Schlozman! Unbelievable… *as my head flies clean off*
It has recently come to my attention that the President continues to travel the length and breadth of the country making stupid speeches- as if he were completely oblivious to the fact that no one but his mom is listening to him anymore. Has anyone else heard this?
“My light is on” could you turn on the other lights please.
Recent ThinkProgress post: Breaking: Senate Judiciary Committee Issues Subpoenas For NSA Domestic Spying Documents
I’m sorry, but they have caught him a few times here. The transcript will tell.
Re: Elston
Re: Alvin
Re: being briefed about the USAs prior to Oct.
for starters.
Bob Schacht @ 190
McNulty knows perfectly well what caging is. It’s all part of a Republican strategy to make a one party state for the foreseeable future. He’s an apparatchik and will do or say whatever to promote the Party line, strategies and policies. Of course he knows what caging is.
Kathleen @ 207
Yes! The Republicans “subpoena envy” growing!
Kathleen @ 207 Democrats need a fight with the WH over Executive Priviledge win or lose this will get a lot of press and help keep Bushie’s approval in the high 20s what part of its not the crime its the cover up don’t they understand? Is Rove doing “The Math ” again. Rove what happens if the Democrats win the flood gates will be open on Everything your hidding. If you turned this over you could have kept this tied up in court until Bush leaves office and if his approval rating went up you could pardon the officals involved. If the Democrats lose everyone but the kool aid drinkers will think corrupt judges just engaged in a cover up which is something you don’t want when 70% of the voters are already against you andare already HIGHLY MOTIVATED. Your base on the other hand is just getting disheartened more and more over the constant scandal.
Cannon- Moschella – you said Mosc had no role in decision to fire, right>
Mc Yes
Cannon- you told Mosc to testify – why?
Mc: He was at the 11/27 meeting had no context (Cannon had to give him the word “context”)
Mc: Testimony can be a tricky business!!
rwcole @ 220
BWA HA HA. I needed that. This frigging testimony is pissing me of, no end.
You know it is a really bad sign when a Republican compliments someone for their candor.
Waxman’s questions to the Vice President: Full letter here!
It would seem that these guys can lie and have lapses of memory and the only consequence is they have to follow up with a written letter. That’s got to hurt.
Keller: Why were you out of the loop? Well, lookie here Monica sent the email to cut you out.
I am telling you, Keller is out to get Monica. First she’s a woman scorned, now she’s the ring leader according to Keller.
Re: being cut out of the loop….control sheet on delegation. What led to you being cut out of the loop? Email by Goodling says keep it outside of system. Were you aware of her request?
Well, it came to my attention about a month ago.
Why?
I don’t know or understand background to this. I don’t want to speculate about this.
things come undone @ 225
Yes! The Republicans “subpoena envy” growing!Democrats need a fight with the WH over Executive Priviledge win or lose this will get a lot of press and help keep Bushie’s approval in the high 20s what part of its not the crime its the cover up don’t they understand? Is Rove doing “The Math ” again. Rove what happens if the Democrats win the flood gates will be open on Everything your hidding. If you turned this over you could have kept this tied up in court until Bush leaves office and if his approval rating went up you could pardon the officals involved. If the Democrats lose everyone but the kool aid drinkers will think corrupt judges just engaged in a cover up which is something you don’t want when 70% of the voters are already against you andare already HIGHLY MOTIVATED. Your base on the other hand is just getting disheartened more and more over the constant scandal.
Are these the same NSA intercepts that Kennedy, Kerry, Chaffee, Biden and others were demanding during the John Bolton nomination hearings? I will never forget Lincoln Chaffees face during these hearings he was deeply worried and concerned.
Hugh @ 227
Hubris, irony, collegiality? Or some of each…
twolf1 @ 202
YES!!!
Bob in HI
It was Moschella by the way who gave Brett Tolman the text for appointing interim US attorneys so he could insert it in the Patriot Act extension. So I’m guessing he was no boy scout in this affair.
Cheney plans to offshore the office of the Vice President to the Dominican Republic where the laws are more supportive of his mission.
Why was Monica so pissed at McNulty??????? Was she Gonzo’s special “teacher’s pet”? Did she want his job??? Did Gonzo promise her McNulty’s job?
LS @ 237
Scrap the last sentence.
“Collegiality” is an interesting word- particularly given the fact that anyone who has ever worked at a University knows that interpersonal relations among University staff are nearly always viscious, petty, and short.
AZ Matt @ 208
Waxman is not HAPPY!
It’s about time to smoke Cheney out of his hidey-hole. Makes me long for the days when the VPs office wasn’t worth a pitcher of warm spit.
Bob in HI
rwcole @ 239
And often political and competitive.
Under the Bush administration, the price of warm spit has risen significantly.
Cspan 3 to run 35 minutes of Monica hearing now, and then a rerun of this afternoon’s McNulty.
Taylor and Meirs to testify July 11 and 12
From C-span
Bustednuckles @ 43
What is this addon?
Conyers mentioned more than once, “criminal charges” if requested documents requested by subpoena are not forthcoming.
rwcole @ 240
You are talking about faculty, right?
Asked to comment on the alarming rise in the price of warm spit, the president replied: “Market conditions”.
raven– well- yeah- and administration of course.
rwcole @ 239:
That’s because the pie is so small in academia, where teamwork is only a sports term. As Todd Gitlin said several years ago (during another Repug administration): “The Right controls the White House, while the Left controls the English departments.”
People following the McNulty hearing might wanna go back to the bottom of the previous thread for Boston’s excellent live blogging.
rwcole @ 250
whew! I always think of staff as the people who actually work at a university.
Kathleen @ 233 Honestly I don’t know but the subpoena seems broad I take that to mean the Democrats want Everything. But the Republicans will try and construe this as narrowly as possible. However if the Republicans risk a fight over White House Priviledge and then they lose well their leverage to keep construing things as narrowly as possible on Everything is gone! Even with a stacked deck this is not a gamble they should make. I’m hopping Bush does push this issue we Win even if we lose. But if we win JACKPOT!
Bio
Yeah– that and the fact that it’s a laboratory in which no human with tenure is required to even pretend to tolerate any other human whatsoever.
On a related note- I once attended a debate in the philosophy dept. in which one combatant became so excited that his nose began bleeding uncontrollably- not to be outargued due to a flesh wound- the combatant grabbed a paper napkin, tilted his head back- and continued the debate without losing a syllable or a decible.
Helen & Boston1775 – thank you so much for the great play-by-play!
rwcole @ 255
I knew a prof who had been a WWII destroyer captain and was head of the Foreign Language Department here. He would come out of chickenshit faculty meetings with his head about to explode!
DOJ/Abu are really scared on this.
Justice reached plea bargains with four “non-cooperating” defendants in the recent eco-arson cases.
DOJ decreased the total number of counts against the four and agreed to downward departures from the minimum sentences for the agreed upon charges.
All four co-defendants had already been fully incriminated by cooperating defendants.
Yet the Feds – in cases of such national import that Abu Gonzales personally announced the arrests in a live national presser -
The Feds caved for “non-cooperating” defendants.
Why?
All the “non-cooperating” defendants had was…
outstanding discovery motions for all NSA/US wiretaps, spying, etc.
And the Feds caved for a plea bargain.
Abu knew what to protect.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 222
Tom in AZ @ 245
What is this addon?
It’s an extension called split browser.
Go to the add ons for Firefox, it’s about three pages in.
rwcole:
And I know many with tenure who stopped thinking all together after they got it. They were/are simply waiting to retire. Tenure is such a racket whose time is long gone, but they don’t know that yet in academia.
newtonusr @ 255
Thanx to all of you, absolutely!
FDL is soooo educational! Raise your hand (all non-attys) if you knew how to spell soo-pee-nee before hanging out here!
Biodun @ 260
They are going nuts here in Georgia because the new state school, Georgia Gwinnett College, is not going to offer tenure.
Hand up.
Bustednuckles @ 259
What is this addon?
It’s an extension called split browser.
Go to the add ons for Firefox, it’s about three pages in.
OT -
Busted, is there any way to control (shut-off) Firefox’s annoying audio prompts? I love the program, but it chirps every time a page refreshes/loads.
The standard Firefox controls (Mac) don’t feature an “off” switch for FIrefox audio prompts (or I couldn’t find it).
My workaround – turning off all sound – isn’t so great for Itunes, so I’d love to know of a solution, if you have one at hand.
(Hope this question isn’t obnoxious – I’m guessing you don’t come to the Lake to do computer help :)
Thanks!
Tenure is only important if it protects “free speech” in academia. If it’s used to paper over laziness and incompetence- well that’s not so good.
kirk murphy that could have been a test case those guys got robbed a plea bargin! If they had known the Democrats were going to issue subpoenas about wire tapping and after an investigation I’m sure wiretapping ecco groups would have been declared illegal. They would have walked. I wonder if they can get their convictions overturned later? DOJ was acting in bad faith about this I wonder if this will matter?
STTP in Ohio @ 261
I confess
We used to hold faculty meetings during lunch- which did nothing to aid digestion.
Faculty members, by the way, eat very peculiar sandwiches.
jayt@136
“optimism is gonna be the death of me yet.”
If it is, you won’t be alone. I’ll be goin down in flames right beside you.
There has to be a pony in there somewhere!
rwcole @ 268
Since it took me until I was 50 to finish my doctorate I saw no point in going the academic route!
Kirk
I can’t help you there.
the only time mine makes noises is when I get mail, delete mail or I get an error message.
Maybe my computer is too old, dunno.
things come undone @ 267
things, for this set of defendants, the test case was likely the post jury “terrorism enhancements” sought and obtained from Judge Aiken by the DOJ.
The attorneys at the Civil Liberties Defense Center have lots of in depth info about these cases, if that would be of interest.
kirk murphy @ 257
Like the way your mind works.
When is political activism a terroism enhancment whatever that means wouldn’t those Republicans who rioted and shut down the vote counting outside that Florida vote counting center also be guilty? I know the Bushies are selective with their prosecutions but if they lose power as is increasingly likely well laws like this can be applied to them as well. Which is something the Supreme Court is likely to think about the next time any of these questionable cases get to court. They defintely don’t want a Democrat to have these powers.
Ashcroft met behind doors…differs with Gonzo.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..esdropping
newtonusr @ 273
Like the way your mind works.
here’s the thing and it’s VERY important
leahy HAS to start calling this what it is;
STEALING
he has to say things like “we have to find out how much information has been stolen”
“we have to find out if corporations corporate assets have been compromised”
“we have to find out if there are deviants keeping records of what we do with our wives”
“we have to find out why they don’t want us to make sure they aren’t stealing from us”
really now, this is easy to frame in a manner that will get even the right wing nuts on our side
Meirs and Taylor to testify on July 11th and 12th
this was on C-Spans announcements.
Has this been discussed?
things, the four non-cooperating defendants have acknowledged acts of arson and conspiracy.
I was in the courtroom when my friend Jonathan Paul made his statement to Judge Aiken taking responsibility for the destruction (by arson) of an evil place that killed pet horses and wild horses in brutal ways – and sold the horses’ flesh for food.
[The slaughterhouse never reopened, much to joy of locals whose drinking water was often contaminated by the tortured animals’ blood.]
I am confident of the truth of Jonathan’s statement.
The scariest aspect of the TE is that – as determiined by Jugde Aiken – any property destuction in the course of political advocacy makes one “eligible” for the terrorism “enhancement”.
[Pardon my Newspeak.]
In Judge Aiken’s world, tearing down an army recruitment poster could make one eligible for the terror “enhancement”
The “enhancement” apparently also applies to the hardy souls who “upgraded” US Forest Service district signs from
“Land of Many Uses”
to
“Land of Many ABuses”
(replacing the wooden USFS sign with a perfect copy. Near perfect, anyway :)
newtonusr, thanks!
i’d like my mind a lot better if it could silence Firefox’s audio prompts
kirk murphy @ 279
You have no idea…
You can always contact the folks at Firefox and see if there is a get around.
rwcole @ 265
As an example in defense of tenure: Are you familiar with the kinds of unfriendly attention people like Juan Cole get? I don’t think now is the time to be worrying about tenure or any other institutions that guard seniority and independence in the professions, particularly in light of the deprofessionalization (Schumer’s term) of DOJ, State, and any other federal agency you can think of.
things come undone @ 274
A Democrat will never have these powers. Republicans will turn on a dime and assert constitutional “principles” that are the complete opposite of what they’re espousing now. And they will impeach again.
The fiendish cunning of the U.S. Army:
“The U.S. military said on Thursday it was setting a trap to “eliminate” militants near Baghdad, where 15 American troops died in the past three days, including five slain Thursday in a single roadside bombing that also killed four Iraqis.”
They evidently took the bait.
Ed*ard Teller @ 39
I learned a new word today!
paranomasia, not to be confused with paranoid insomniac
I had posted Waxman’s info earlier in the thread on this. Reading Froomkin got a question into my mind — since the VP is not a part of the executive branch of government, and not a part of the legislative branch or Judiciary, then why are we funding that office? Time to pull the plug I say, no more money for Cheney.
Rayne @ 121
Rayne, I have to say that just reading his face at the beginning told the story you just typed. Who got to him?
A Froomkin mention today!!!
LINK
AZ Matt @ 288
More and more…
Boston1775 @ 287
McNulty resigned for “financial realities” brought on by “college-age children and two decades of public service.” Correct me if I’m mistaken, but he still doesn’t have a job. After today’s testimony he will.