There’s no telling how accurate or inaccurate this report may be, but according to the AP, we may be a little closer to ending one of our nation’s darkest and most disgraceful chapters. Contrary to Mitt Romney and others’ desire to “Double Guantanamo”, the Bush Administration seems to be realizing that its unlawful detention of foreign nationals at the base in Guantanamo Bay is on very, very thin ice, legally, and is apparently taking measures to actually shut down America’s most famous concentration camp and transfer the inmates to American prisons, where they would face trial.
Well, goddamn, wouldn’t that be novel? Actual trials? On American soil? Shut. Up.
(P)ressure to close Guantanamo has been building since a Supreme Court decision last year that found illegal a previous system for prosecuting enemy combatants. Recent rulings by military judges threw out charges against two terrorism suspects under a new tribunal scheme.
Those decisions have dealt a blow to the administration’s efforts to begin prosecuting dozens of Guantanamo detainees regarded as the nation’s most dangerous terror suspects.
In his excellent essay, “Imperial Presidency Declared Null and Void”, the Great Sidney Blumenthal gets right to the heart of the matter:
On June 11, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, the most conservative in the country, issued a decision striking at the heart of Bush’s conception of the presidency. In al-Marri v. Wright, the court ruled that Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, a resident of Qatar, arrested as a student at Bradley University in the United States, accused of aiding al-Qaida, could not be held in indefinite detention as an “enemy combatant” and must be remanded to the civilian criminal court system. (Al-Marri, in an affidavit, claimed to have been tortured.) The decision acknowledged that al-Marri might have committed serious crimes. But the government’s assertion that the president has “inherent constitutional authority,” rooted in his “war-making powers,” is a “breathtaking claim” contrary to U.S. constitutional law and history.
“The President,” the court said, “claims power that far exceeds that granted him by the Constitution.”
(emphasis mine)
Can I get an ‘Amen!’, somebody?
But really, if the reasons outlined above are not persuasive as to why Guantanamo Bay is a moral stain on our nation’s conscience, then consider this, via Sully. If we close Guantanamo, we won’t have to deal with this kind of sickening hatefulness and inhumanity:
Sully: Here’s a particularly knee-jerk sentiment, even from Michelle Malkin. She’s responding to the notion of a poetry anthology by Gitmo inmates. Her response:
How about a poetry anthology from the families of the victims of many of those Gitmo jihadists?
The trouble is, dear Michelle, we do not know how many of these detainees had any victims at all; many have been declared innocent of anything by even the Bush administration, and set free; less than 20 percent were originally detained by U.S. forces; the evidence convicting scores of others is either extremely weak, non-existent, or dependent on the testimony of the tortured. Yes, some are the worst of the worst. But, alas, we do not know exactly which. And the sheer assumption of guilt and indefinite detention are alien to every concept underpinning Western notions of justice and legal warfare. Aren’t those what we’re fighting for? Then there’s this piece of bile from Jules Crittenden. He penned his own poem for the Gitmo detainees, irrespective of the circumstances of their capture and imprisonment:
Rose are Red
Violets are Blue
In the Hated Crusader Gulag at Guantanamo
It must suck to be youIt takes a particularly depraved soul to observe captives sentenced to life imprisonment in solitary confinement without trial or hope – whatever their past – and laugh in their faces.
But what have we to distinguish the Right anymore other than their spectacular depravity, Andy? They have no political platform that isn’t based on some form of cruelty, whether it’s torture or deportation or their sneering disregard for the state of the environment, or their fetishization of forced birth and their Third Reich-like fantasies of racial and national superiority.
The only thing that really surprises about conservatives anymore is that anyone is surprised at how craven, amoral, and despicable they are. Movement Conservatism is a vulgar fraud, a system of racial, economic, and nationalist apartheid that has never held any interest in anything other than its own aggrandizement at the expense of the weak, whatever the costs. I’ve enjoyed about all of it that I can stand.
Goodbye, Guantanamo. May you, your architects, advocates, and enablers enjoy a long, miserable season in hell for what you have done.
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Plolly his good looks.:)
Muck Fitt!
forth
Mitt the Tedious. Yawn… .
TRex–
Did you see Rick Moran’s comment in Annie Insane’s thread?
About 2/3 of the way down, Moran takes her to task by saying:
“Sorry, Ann, but you screwed the pooch on this one. Sometimes it’s best to take your lumps and move on.”
Rick Moran, ladies and gentlemen.
trying dive again *fingers crossed*
(climbing tallest platform)
armstand back facing, double-somersault with one and a half twists in the free position - no splash
G’evening TRex.
Say what you will about some of his thinking, but Ahn-drew’s heart truly is in the right place.
Mee-shell, on the other hand, has no heart. And her next rational thought will be her first.
Hey TRex, Suzanne told us downstairs that you were “doing” Romney. Thanksully and clearly that is not the case
except for this…
I’ll give ya an amen, Trex
Suzanne @ 7
Fans go wild.
Suzanne @ 7
The Bulgarian loved it !
TRex:
I saw the pic of u on the Althouse site (thru a link from last night’s post) and was wondering; being the therapod you are, are you always so blurry?
Moreover, I’m wondering when we’ll see another pic of you in all your green glory?
Helen @ 9
Helen, I didn’t say what he was doing.
What I heard about the Gitmo thing, on KO today, is that it may just make the Bushies make a zillion LITTLE Gitmo’s, but even more private. So Mitt can campaign for TWO zillion new ones!
burnspbesq @ 12
They’re doing “the wave”….:>
Excellent, Suzanne. And I’ll give T and Amen too.
Right On, TRex! Evening, Suz!!!
SnarKassandra @ 16
Hi Cassie – how great is summer when you are young?
Suzanne @ 7
Great dive? What color is your swim suit?
Helen @ 9
Calling Dr. Murphy. Brain Bleach, Railroad tank car load, please. Aisle one. Include aerosol sprayer.
Helen @ 20
WAY WAY WAY better for me than for working peoples!
Helen @ 9
Ew!
Nobody’s sexy when you know they’re wearing Temple Garments underneath their clothes.
SnarKassandra @ 16
I heard the same…I don’t know if many little gitmos are better than one big one . Besides, what’s preventing us from having Mini-gitmos (or are they Mini-mos?) in such scenic places as Egypt/Belorus/Morocco?
SnarKassandra @ 16
Cassie, you are truly amazing. It took me three or four tries to figure out what they were up to, and you summed it up exactly in one sentence. Bush should fear you, he really should.
Cassie, today’s was cobalt blue.
Atikar @ 25
It is like Gremlins I think. NOT good.
Suz: ya beat me to it!
AMEN, Brother!
Good bye and let’s not let it happen again!
SnarKassandra at 28
More like Tribbles I think, but you’re right…NOT GOOD!
Atikar @ 30
cockroaches. And we do grow them big here in tejas, don’t we cassie?
Atikar @ 25
You neglected Romania and Poland!!!
SnarKassandra @ 23
Thanks for reminding us!
And where did you hear about the smaller gitmos?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 31
yep!
EPU’d. Here’s the link again on SCOTUS wrt limiting appeals about sentencing when sentencing guidelines are followed.
It’s not directly about Libby, but I thought it tangentially interesting, given the “his sentence is draconian” argument we hear so much of these days.
Why cobalt blue? Any significance?
Evening all. Amen to brother TRex and a plague on all who support the gitmos of the world.
demi @ 33
On Olbermann
Um by the way TREX, I am sitting at work yesterday, minding my own business and I read your Althouse post. All of a sudden someone says: “you are bat shit crazy” Bat. Shit Crazy. Made me laugh so much tha tI had to close my office door. Good thing I am the boss.
Cobalt is one of my favorite colors of blue is the only significant. And it is directly opposite from orange on the color wheel.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 31
Yes, and like cockroaches, they cannot stand the light.
Heard earlier that the WH was downplaying the closing of gitmo after the news became public — i.e., under consideration, review, all options, etc. bullshit and so forth.
Hope it is not too good to be true, but knowing this bunch…….
CTuttle at 32
How careless of me…and wasn’t Poland part of the Coalition of the willing, too? Boy, what friends we have!
DrDick @ 37
Evening, Dr.(pause)Dick! Speaking of KO, he said Dick is the Fourth Branch of Govt!
Atikar @ 43
How much did that cost???
I want to know who leaked the Gitmo story. Out of State you suppose?
CTuttle @ 44
Correction, KO said The Dick is the Fourth Branch of Govt.
From one preacher to another . . . Amen!
oddmommy @ 42
WH talking points, prolly. Evenin’ everyone!
hey peterr
Atikar @ 43
Sho’nuff, one can always count on our Nato Buds, look what Turkey is doing to the Kurds in Iraq!!! ;-)
SnarKassandra @ 38
Thanks! He’s on at 9 in LA – I’ll watch.
Okay, here’s an announcement for all the New Wavers in the crowd tonight. My brother is going out on the road with The Psychedelic Furs for a month, starting Monday.
Dates as they come in.
Suzanne @ 47
Duly noted, Ma’am! My Bad!!!
So they close Gitmo, big deal. Bush will just send the “detainees”, shackled to their airline seats, to another torture camp at “some undisclosed location”. Everything these asholes say is a lie, so why should we believe them now?
TRex @ 53
How cool is that!
Suzanne @ 47
Make that The Dickhead, this a**hole is giving Dicks everywhere a bad name and we want nothing more to do with him.
LoudonLib at 49
Does “closing down Gitmo” have a time line involved? It may be in 19 months anyway, so it’s off Mr. 26%’s (soon to be Mr. below Nixon) plate and on the next President’s radar.
happy dance for Patrex and The Psychedelic Furs
DrDick @ 41
got it in one. And in fact cockroaches are benign and useful creatures, ecologically speaking. So chimpy and company must be considered as mutant toxic cockroaches. Fits.
jay @ 55
Eh, I think it’s a little more important than that in that we are seeing the Bush Ass-ministration coming up short against its illegality and realizing how unsupportable its positions are. The fact that they are budging at all on Gitmo, which was their pride and joy, is heartening.
TRex @ 53
You’re just dating whoever strolls in the door? That’s living dangerously, TRex — it could be a republican . . .
Pardon my ignorance, Peterr..are you a preacher?
Atikar @ 58
Sorry but I don’t know the answer. Anyone? All I heard was “breaking” on Olbermann tonight when I got home.
CTuttle @ 44
KO almost cost me a Mac with that comment …”We have four branches of Gov’t … The Executive, The Legislative, The Judicial and THE DICK !!!
… spewed within inches of my laptop …
BTW Loo Hoo, I left a couple of links for you in the last thread @ 198.
DrDick @ 57
707!!!
Dr (pause) Dick, those were KO’s words – not mine.
I think of him as the little dick …
Just reading an earlier thread, and believe this is the best summation of the Iraq occupation I have seen. If we ever need talking points for Iraq, this is all we need. Don’t get confused or distracted by shiny objects or smoke screens. Just keep repeating Siun’s words. I know I’m going to memorize this…
Siun @ 208
This will be especially important as the campaign season moves along, and the Dem frontrunners keep saying we need to stay in Iraq.
Photo of Mitt Romney “packing fudge” from World-o-Crap:
http://world-o-crap.com/blog/?p=481
I agree TRex. We are watching the Bushadmin being called on ALL of their illegal BS. It’s taking time, but it is happening.
demi @ 52
Don’t be drinking anything when you watch his intro !
CTuttle @ 44
Rachel Maddow called it the Halliburton branch on her radio show today. *g*
Stoopit computer keeps crashin’. That does it, I’m gettin’ a Mac. Missed all the good snark on watertiger’s thread.
poutPOUTpoutPOUTpoutPOUT
Signing off before it crahes for good…
demi @ 63
Yes — from the moderate/liberal end of the Lutheran church.
TRex @ 53
Woo Hoo, congrats Patrick !!!
TRex @ 61
While I am still not sure exactly how to interpret this or what exactly it means, I have to agree with TRex that it is a hopeful sign that the Busheviks are beginning to realize their position on this is untenable. How they will respond to that is another question and raises a number of disturbing possibilities (as has been pointed out by several others).
Cool for Patrick, TRex. Is this the band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLCNIZTzg9w
Suzanne @ 40
Is it? I am two days from painting my bedroon blue (not cobalt – but between baby blu and bright blue)Atikar @ 43
Be very careful about dissing Poland. Poland ended the cold war. I know that Reagan got the credit, but Lech Whilenza was the union leader who broke the government. And the Pope was Polish and he spoke out radically agsinst communism.
TRex @ 53
TRex, is this the series?
Burned Down Days
Glad they’re coming to Boston, too!
Loo Hoo. @ 46
Cheney. He’s fighting Condi for all its worth right now. And losing. Condi wants gitmo gone fast, she’s begun to realize there WILL be accountability for all this in the future.
Condi is also behind the sudden appearance of an american envoy in North Korea today, and of sudden raprochement with Syria and dialing down the rhetoric on iran. I think the cold, cruel wind of history has suddenly started wafting past the hem of her skirt…
And with Chimpy going to allow miers and ralston to testify, not claiming exec priv, and probably allowing scoots to go to the slammer, Cheney must be feeling very lonely right about now…
And this “fourth branch” stuff is just batpoop crazy. Congress will put some law on that real soon, I betcha!
Petrocelli
You mean without a rag to wipe off the screen?
TRex @ 53
Love My Way
TRex @ 61
PeterR
I didn’t know there was such a thing.
Moi a Methodist.
I sent my older two kids to a Lutheran school. It was okay, I just had to talk to them a lot. To, er, clarify.
That was weird
TRex @ 53
Hey Trex who are their sponsors?
jay @ 83
I can fix it.
Good article at Alternet: LINK
demi @ 79
He really got me … I was watching the last minutes of Tweety and his panel of Hillary bashers,
so I was chugging to numb the pain, then KO springs that line …
Alfred Kelgarries @ 78
I think that wind has brought a scent of Nuremberg and has her knickers in a most painful knot. Somebody needs to send the Prince of Darkness an annotated copy of the constitution higlighting the branches of government: executive, legislative, and judicial. Nada about an evil asshole branch.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 78
I’d put my money on the Judiciary resolving The Dick’s umm shortcomings before Congress does! However, I do believe Waxman and Leahey will force the Judiciary, within the Subpoena proxy war, to resolve the issue!
Laughing and making fun of people in prison under your power has been a hallmark of Bushism, ever since Karla Faye Tucker. It’s practically a job requirement for Loyal Bushies.
Alicia @ 90
… waves to Alicia …
Colbert calling Pelosi out for taking impeachment off the table. And Reid is made of non-binding resolutions!
demi @ 83
I understand completely. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod is a conservative group, mostly of German heritage, which is where my family roots are. (They probably ran that school.) I am ordained in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, a larger and much more open bunch who range from mildly moderate to wildly liberal.
And I, too, often clarify things when speaking with, er, refugees from the LCMS.
Hello, all.
Peterr et al
Are you familiar with James Carroll? From his article here,
he say’s…(regarding the recent bombing of Mosques…
What is going on here? These attacks are against more than places and structures. Religion is a mode of meaning, but religious meaning is more than a set of ideas. God is present in the world as meaning is present in words and symbols, and that intimate connection between the divine and its expression, including the architecture and design of sacred buildings, enables believers to experience the touch of God on earth. However much religious impulses can be complicit in violence, that ineffable and precious touch is the absolute opposite of war. Human beings can never kill each other without killing God.
Loo Hoo. @ 92
She’s on tonight? Am taping it
Greetings and Salutations to EvilDrPuma!
Petrocelli @ 91
waves back to T.O. Petro…
Alicia @ 90
Didn’t bush mock a condemned woman who appealed for clemency? Gives an indication, doesn’t it?
EvilDrPuma @ 94
Hello Dr Phd.
Alfred, that does make good sense. About that pacemaker surgery coming up…
Now to read Petrocelli’s posts.
EvilDrPuma @ 94
Hello, EDP. Check out suzanne in the new blue swimsuit. Even the bulgarian judge like it. And I’m grumpy tonight.
Atikar @ 97
Thank you. I’m here all week. Try the veal.
Loo Hoo. @ 101
ooooo. you are an Evil Person (TM,SM). (evil smile)
Helen @ 97
Sorry Helen, no. Just a comment in his monologue.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 103
Don’t be grumpy. It will stop raining eventually.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 99
The mocked would be the aforementioned Karla Faye Tucker, just one of many Americans to be killed by Bush’s Christian charitability.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 99
That’s the one – Karla Faye Tucker – squealing “Please don’t kill me!” That was when I knew he was a sociopath – in the primary.
And I do believe the facts have since borne me out.
Alicia @ 98
Summer is nicely under way … it’s Pride Week and the first Jazz Festival is starting this weekend …
EvilDrPuma @ 107
It’s all about the sanctity of human life, don’t you know? He said so when he vetoed the stem cell research bill.
TRex will you be offended if I write about the Gitmo stuff on my blog tonight too? Not saying the same stuff though.
Hey, Loo
Send some of that Vexadrine to Issa. Wanna?
Do tell us how that conference call went.
SnarKassandra @ 106
We had a brief but intense cloudburst this evening, which was scheduled at the same time as my mad 200-yard dash from the bus. I’m not on speaking terms with the weather right now.
Anyone who is sick of rain, please send it to Georgia. We’re still way, way behind.
SnarKassandra @ 106
Oh, I forgot which thread I was on. My firm took some casualties in gaza yesterday, just learned about it today. Bad stuff, am slowly recovering. But some good news is that the perps may pay early, as it turns out one of our people was related to a major Turkish minister. Rule one in the ME: Do NOT pee off the Turks. I understand phone calls are happening either now or soon. So perhaps some justice will prevail sooner rather than later.
AK, you should let the soothing waters of the Lake ease your troubles tonight. Just let go of it for a little bit – I’ve always found I plot my (cough) strategy best with a calm, clear head.
Petrocelli @ 109
Summer is nicely under way … it’s Pride Week and the first Jazz Festival is starting this weekend …I’ve seen some of the best jazz ever in TO – I saw Oscar Peterson at Ontario Place, and Art Pepper somewhere on Queen St.
DrDick @ 111
BTW, a committed, Fundy convert she
iswas.EvilDrPuma @ 113
Enjoy it, it hasn’t really rained in Los Angeles in two years..
Loo Hoo. @ 101
Now why would you want to do that? ;-)
GODDAMN COCKSUCKER!! I want to stuff his head down a toilet and slam the lid over and over on his filthy, criminal neck.
*ahem*
Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
Funny pic of Bush.
Alicia @ 108
my dad who is a methodist theologian, says “hell is the ultimate neurosis, where our own minds punish us for doing what we knew to be wrong.” He can quote some very interesting scripture along that line. So I suspect Mr. Bush may have an interesting time waiting for him…regardless of his religious beliefs.
DrDick @ 111
I loved Snowjob’s comments “… choosing science over ideology.”
… pass the Tequila …
SnarKassandra @ 122
Truly encapsulates his attitude toward just about everything.
Suzanne @ 116
trying, suzanne, trying. and thank you.
TRex @ 121
Tut tut, way too messy, just drop him off outside the Greeen Zone gate.
Cassie, you can write about Gitmo, and I don’t mind if you quote me or take a wholly different tack. That’s what blogging is allegedly about, ideas bouncing off each other and gathering speed and intensity.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 123
Damn. In that case, Bush will never really pay for his sins. The man is a true sociopath with no understanding of right and wrong.
1. Gitmo was/is lunacy. The vast majority of prisoners there are, at best, the military equivalent of privates first class. They had some intel value…but way towards the small end of the scale. A very dumb move by Bushco.
2. I suspect, within the WH, the greatest fear is when these Gitmo guys get transferred somewhere…and are allowed to speak to the Press. Their stories will shock. I wouldn’t be surprised to start seeing a few releases of info…just to avoid an avalanche of news bombs.
3. And, I’m going to slightly, and respectfully disagree with Mr. Alfred K. on his Condi take. I give little credit to Condi. I consider her to be not much more than an idiot. I think her various statesmanship moves are made after finally listening to the “professionals” at State. The pros have been wearing her out for some time now. In her own idiocy, she finally starts to listen to those who know far more than she ever will.
Ghostman
demi @ 96
I only know him from occasionally seeing his columns in the Globe. Obviously, I’ve got to look in more often. Thanks for the link/reminder.
DrDick @ 110
Bush wouldn’t know the sanctity of human life if it twisted itself into a pretzel and jumped down his throat. Which, as I recall, it once did.
TRex @ 121
Was that smoke coming from your nose or did my laptop suddenly overheat?
FWIW: I’ve been wanting to scream the same thing ever since I saw the news conference of the veto signing…pretty downright pathetic…and then Tony Snow’s explanation in the gaggle…pretty bad!
David Robinson @ 69
That is a funny picture! Thanks (sorry about it getting caught in the filter – is free now)
SnarKassandra @ 122
Almost as good as the video clip of him spitting on the White House lawn on his way to Air Chopper One.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 124
What a fascinating prospect!
Alicia @ 118
I’m trying to get tickets for Herbie Hancock, have you ever seen Jeff Healy?
SnarKassandra @ 16
{joining the party late}
Hi, Cassie! That’s what I heard, too.
One variant on it is that these “little Gitmos” will be in places like Afghanistan, and Iraq, where prison administrators won’t be bothered by nosy members of the press, and where security is so bad that staff from Amnesty International and other Human Rights groups seldom visit.
Bob in HI
Hi SnarKassandra!
DrDick @ 129
No, he isn’t. No one is. Talk to Kirk Murphy. We punish ourselves far, far more horribly than any outsider could ever do. We may lie to our conscious minds and get away with it if we try hard enough. The superego doesn’t listen to that crap; it somehow knows better and is more than willing to grind us into dust if we don’t listen to it.
And Dad once suggested this scenario: suppose heaven and hell are the same place. everyone goes there when they die. But, for those who had done bad things, their conscience is now unavoidable. They are in agony surrounded by wonders and glories they cannot approach because of their inner pain, and those who are no so afflicted can only pity them, they cannot help. this explanation fits the parable of the rich man and lazarus so perfectly it’s scary.
me, i’m into quantum mechanics. but the two are not exclusive…
Ghostman @ 131
Ain’t that the truth! I can’t wait for Hick’s gag order to lapse! Should be a terrific err terrifying view into Gitmo!!!
Petrocelli @ 124
I hate the fact that I am no longer perplexed by what these idiots continue to say.
Hey folks – I’m going to sing on the Bree Walker Show this Saturday on KTLK in Los Angeles – it’s on from 2-4 Saturday PT, and it streams!
Alfred has some fascinating theological insights this evening..
TRex @ 122
That got me thinking about justice at Nuremberg where every hanging was “botched” by the very experienced hangman. T-Rex does bad thing to my mind..I should go back to reading “Deer Hunting With Jesus”.
Ghostman @ 131
On target with all three bullets, Ghostman.
WRT 1, you can also add the folks who were essentially sold to the US forces by disgruntled neighbors, looking to settle a grudge and collect a reward (”Yeah, he’s an al-Qaeda guy . . .”) all in one fell swoop.
WRT 2, the press is the weapon of mass destruction most feared by RoveCo Industries. That’s why they labor so hard to (a) buy it and run it themselves, (b) scare it into submission, or (c) stonewall it at every opportunity.
WRT 3, I don’t know the source of the leak on Gitmo, but in the broader view of things, with all the political types bailing on the Bush Administration (esp at State and DOJ), we’re about to see the revenge of the career folks. They’re in it for the long haul, and have six years of pent up frustration that’s just itching to come out.
Alicia @ 143
Sounds like a good gig. Congrats.
Mary McCurnin @ 143
They’re like an ongoing comedy skit … except they don’t know it …
Alicia @ 144
Woo Hoo … linky please …
Alicia @ 144
Woohoo – be sure to give us a link to the stream and remind us :)
Demi, I listened in on a conference call till it was my turn. He blamed everything on the new congress, including not getting immigration passed and not voting to cut off funding for Iraq.
My question was Blackwater. He seemed to think it was fine to have (don’t call them mercenaries) private contractors protecting embassies. Doesn’t piss off the locals in the middle east as much. (?)
I went on record to say that it was bleeding our military after we pay to train them, but there was no interaction with other callers. He held all the aces. The way he likes his Town Meetings.
Amen to that. I can only paraphrase Christopher Hitchens on Falwell’s death: I wish there were a hell for them to go to.
TRex @ 121
Ok but – I will probably be kicked off this site forever -BUT – hear me out. I was a serious pro-choice person for all of my life. I was a feminist before it was cool. I even gave money to Planned Parenthood before I had a pot to piss in. Then one day I am looking at the TV and Mother Therssa is holding a baby and she looks into the camera and says “This is what they are araid if” Oh My God. I am still for choice. But today I looked at the post about “War and other people’s babys” and I thought what is the difference?
WRT 3, I don’t know the source of the leak on Gitmo, but in the broader view of things, with all the political types bailing on the Bush Administration (esp at State and DOJ), we’re about to see the revenge of the career folks. They’re in it for the long haul, and have six years of pent up frustration that’s just itching to come out.
Oh, that pesky Karma thingy, eh? Ya can’t escape it.
Petrocelli @ 150
http://www.ktlk.com/ 2-4 on Saturday afternoon
Ghostman @ 130
By numbers, my reply:
1) Quite right. But totally in tune with the busch family philosophy (check out Prescott Bush and his fondness for Hitler).
2) Very Definitely Right. Enough of these guys show up on european television, and the EU might be forced to declare trade sanctions against the us until bush, cheney, and rummy are turned over to the hague.
3)YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH ME! TAKE HIM TO GUANTANAMO AND USE METHODS 3, 11, AND 29 ON HIM WITHOUT THE SPOON! Oh, sorry, channeled chimpy there for a moment. Actually, i agree with you. but condi has to allow it, and that’s my point. otherwise, as you say, she’s naught but a figurehead.
jay @ 145
Keep going AK … you will resolve the pain of today’s tragedies in your mind and heart if you keep going …
jay @ 144
No. My dad does. I’m a functional atheist. don’t want to sail under false colors here. I respect his beliefs, and maybe they’re onto something. but I like science and I need proof. Can’t do the faith bit, just can’t.
Alicia, that sounds great! Break a nail, baby!
I may be posting my own little musical YouTube here in the next couple of weeks. I’ll let you all know.
Heading home. See you in a bit.
The Olbermann clip is already up. Found it while I am writing!
Hi Alicia.
[Mod Note; broken link removed.]
demi @ 155
Yep, it comes back to bite ya on the arse! Usually twice as hard! She’s such a B*tch!!!
Petrocelli @ 157
It’s working. slowly…
Cassie, that’s not a good linky
Alfred Kelgarries @ 158
I know the feeling. I’ actually more of an “active agnostic” – I neither know nor care whether there is a god or gods. No real way to know and I want nothing to do with a deity who would allow the Bush administration.
Alfred,
Scientifically speaking, baby steps forward is still moving forward.
I’m happy you’re feeling better. Want some of my Licorice Tea? It’s good…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 159
10-4 on that … faith without fact is blind faith… and deaf and dumb …
Maybe I’ve gone over-the-edge paranoid, but let’s say they don’t close Gitmo, just turn it into an open, model facility that even the Red Cross or UN folks could inspect. That would then give them good PR, and the freedom to quietly run their torture chambers wherever they want. People are still disappearing, aren’t they? Without accountability for groups like Blackwater, we may never know.
Alicia @ 144
Cool, Alicia. If you think about it you should post Saturday morning too!
demi @ 165
yes thank you. with lemon if possible. (sips)
2nd video on the page is the Olbermann story
Congratulations, Alicia!
demi @ 166
Have you tried liquor-ice tea? It’s even better !!! *g*
Petrocelli, to some folks, alcohol makes it all worse, not better.
Loo Hoo. @ 46
Betcha it was BigTime, since the leak got tomorrow’s meeting cancelled. The meeting they weren’t having at the White House to decide to close Gitmo….
You know BigTime, dontcha? Mr Fourth Branch, accountable to no one?
OT, but thought you night enjoy this. Seems the God of the Patriarchs may have weighed in on gay marriage, and not the way you think.
I’m not exactly sure why, but when I read about the Cheney secession from the executive branch, I remembered my wedding night. It was at Osan Air Base on Oct 26 of 19something something. We didn’t get any honeymoon because the base went on alert and we had to upload more planes. That was the day that the boss of the Korean CIA sat down to dinner with president Pak Chung Hi and shot him to death.
Maybe I was just wondering what would be Cheneys reaction if he starts feeling threatened by his sins coming home to roost without a sufficiently strong show of support from Bush.
AK — I like science as well (so much so that I married a scientist), and don’t see a conflict with holding religious beliefs at the same time.
One of the things that irritates me no end is the way conservative fundamentalists have hijacked the Christian church in the eyes of much of the media. “Oh, we need a Christian reaction . . . let’s call a fundy!”
Grrr . . .
Suzanne @ 174
Just today, I was explaining to my girls, the difference between socially acceptable consumption and alcohol abuse.
Some of their friends told them all alcohol are (D)evil drinks.
Ooooooooh, I did not think the dick being the leak but that evil fork would think (and behave) exactly as you said.
stratocruiser @ 176
I have often wondered who should be more worried about the other, Bush or The Shooter.
Peterr @ 177
I really have to agree that there is no fundamental incompatibility between religion per se and science and know some religious scientists. I actually gave up on religion long before I got to college.
TeddySanFran @ 175
That was Alfred’s thought too, Teddy. BigTime ought to be cancelled.
AK:
say WHAT? I missed that. Linky?
Suzanne @ 180
I suspect they would make a show of closing Gitmo and opening many smaller, more secretive Gitmos, as Cassie sugested.
Suzanne @ 174
Party Pooper! :P
Peterr @ 177
EXACTLY. And that didn’t happen until Ronald Reagan’s handlers decided to sell the republican party to the fundies in exchange for winning their votes in perpetuity, or until the handlers were dead…and the corporations who used the republicans therefore had to legitimize sects that previous had been viewed as “fringe”. It took them about ten years, but they did it. Now, in the minds of many americans there are catholics, episcopalians, black churches, and Christians.
Goebels would be proud, if only he could stop screaming…
Mary McCurnin @ 181
I would be very worried if I were Georgie, with all the new Presidential powers in place a “tragic” ascension would solve all of Cheney’s problems..
TRex @ 24
Temple Garments underneath their clothes.
Did not know clothes can be saintly, no matter if they are under-, over- or other clothes; can I call this an aberration, or is it a constitutionally guaranteed religious freedom.
From tomorrow’s WaPo, page A02: House Smacks the Global Gag Rule
Of course, the rest of the article goes on to say the dems don’t want to challenge Bush on much of anything else:
Yeah, letting the other side define you works well . . .
A little LEADERSHIP, please!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 186
Isn’t that like selling your soul to the devil?
Totally OT, but does anyone want to play golf in Wisconsin some weekend?
Balrog is ready for some adult company. I hope to play SentryWorld in Steven’s Point; great golf course.
TeddySanFran @ 183
say WHAT? I missed that. Linky?
I’m going by lake postings, TSF. Someone did a drive by and said CSPAN had scheduled their hearings. ‘Bout two threads back, IIRC…. and we have heard nada from the the poo-flinger in chief on it. which has been commented on by others. (One comment that got my attention on the legal blog was that he is now actually scared of being impeached and doesn’t want to throw executive privilege around because it would make him look like nixon…)
Mary McCurnin @ 190
Except that Republicans (especially Ronny Raygunz and Dubya) have no souls.
Well, I finished MY post on closing Gitmo. And my ending completely disagrees with TRex, but that’s OK. Opinions and more opinions.
Middle Earth is in Wisconsin?
Mary McCurnin @ 190
Once Saved, Always Saved. The Elect And The Damned. They’re in Ghod’s hip pocket, dontcha know? Riiiiiiiight. (see previous comments on my dad’s ideas about hell. I suspect they will get to field test them in due time.)
Suzanne @ 196
I think that is middle mid-west.
Hey, Blind Faith was a gread band!
I see no conflicts between religion and science. But, that’s just me.
Petrocelli and Alfred….tea’s ready. Sip away.
I’m an enigmatic christian. I’ve painted over my kitchen door…Hoc Es Corpus.
And sometimes I put a little liquor in my tea. Not tonight though.
SnarKassandra @ 194
Good post, Cassie. I fear you and KO may be right (I don’t trust these SOBs any further than I can throw an elephant).
A.K.
Do you think that Bush knows he has fallen from grace?
Hey, I have to surface somewhere.
Hey Loo Hoo, you have any good golf courses near you?
Balrog @ 192
Does the Ann “the Lesser Perfesser” Althouse play golf? She’s just down the road in Madison.
Mary McCurnin @ 201
When did that Moron ever have grace??
jay @ 204
See there was this girl named Grace when he was 19 and …..
the salon article url path struck me. Did a Google on bush torture:
Results 1 – 10 of about 3,750,000 for bush torture. (0.22 seconds)
I thought I came up with “war paradigm” — the name of the folder I created two or three years ago, where I keep copies of posted articles on the general subject of Bush-related atrocities.
Somehow, “war paradigm” is a perfect description of the Bush era.
SnarKassandra @ 205
…and she was his cocaine connection….
Balrog @ 202
I know there are lots, but not being a golfer, I’d need to ask my dad and brothers. Lawrence Welk, Pala Mesa, Sycamore Ranch, Torrey Pines…..
Peterr @ 203
What are you saying here, Mr. Man?
Are you coming back to San Diego, Balrog?
Mary McCurnin @ 200
I don’t know. Perhaps so. But will that make him even more dangerous?
(And on the religion versus science thing, I have a hunch Dr. Arthur Clarke’s “any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” can have a corollary that says “Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from the divine and miraculous.” By the transitive property of logic, then, any really really advanced tech will suffice for divine phenomenon. So all the visions of after and before worlds may be perfectly true, and entirely based on technology. We may be the end of the evolutionary process in quantum mechanical terms rather than the beginning.)
I am a real reporter. Had to finish before 11:30 bedtime and got it all in under the wire. Back tomorrow to see all the comments y’all leave me on my post!
SnarKassandra @ 204
Bad bad cassie. you’re too young to know about that sort of stuff? Where’s TexB? (grin)
Night Cassie. Sleep well and drive careful.
SnarKassandra @ 194
Great post and I agree with you that at least with Gitmo right now, we have some idea of the shenanigans that are going on. With a bunch of little Gitmos, it sort of splits up the problem into a bunch of little problems which WILL get lost in the media’s lack of coverage. After all, how much coverage is it getting now?
Loo Hoo. @ 211
Only if you’ll join me at Harney Sushi again.
SnarKassandra @ 212
you just made it! have a great sleep and emerge to terrorize the chimpenfuhrer even more!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 212
Moving from a carbon based life force to a silicon based one??
SnarKassandra @ 213
nite cassie
Loo Hoo. @ 211
You are in San Diego? I’m trying to see about coming to Carlsbad to meet The Great, Louise Hay.
Moving from a carbon based life force to a silicon based one??
Carol Doda was an earlier prototype.
Balrog @ 217
That would be wonderful. Coincidentally I had Sushi today for the first time since you were here. A real disappointment after Harney’s.
SnarKassandra @ 213
You’ve obviously learned how to write on deadline!
Later, SnarK!
Petrocelli @ 221
Louise Hay? Check out the greatest Looise Hoo!
Suzanne @ 222
Silicon not silicone.. hey is old Carol still around?
I don’t know. Last I heard, Carol was still having to cover the twins with knit watch caps during very cold weather to keep the silicone from freezing (injections were not the way to go)
Loo Hoo. @ 223
Harney’s had incredibly fresh fish. The Number 9 roll we shared was exquisite. I have fond memories of the place and will return whenever I can.
Suzanne @ 227
That would explain that old woman with a wheelbarrow I saw last time I was in San Francisco..
Steve Clemons weighs in on the Closing Gitmo story. Among other things, he thinks Colin Powell’s open call to close Gitmo was tied in with all this. “Powell probably knows that this was the most efficacious time to speak out. He has assets inside the administration who would have let him in on what was brewing inside the Executive Branch and wanted to give a public push to offset Cheney’s internal resistance.”
Balrog @ 225
LOL !!!
I never give anyone the reverence that I afford my parents, but I would like Louise Hay & Wayne Dyer to bless my manuscript before it’s published.
Petrocelli @ 221
What? Wonderful, Petrocelli! I guess I’ll have to google Louise Hay, though. When is it, maybe Balrog could coordinate. Wouldn’t that be fun? Although last time Bal had a conference on a specific date.
jay @ 218
no, i’m talking pure qm, somatic neutral. In this theory (based on the AI work of Dr. Hoagland, not the mars guy, the other one) consciousness is an emergent property of something physical rather than of complex systems. Like Dr. Penrose, I think consciousness exists at the quantum level, that’s where the emergent property manifests. How it relates to physical evolution is going to remain unclear until we find the mind/brain connection (and we aren’t even close right now.) But what i consider important is that we are all on a quest for identity, and evolution may occur at higher levels of description and existence than this one. Does that make any sense at all?
Well, Colin Powell. Finally, anything to offset Cheney’s internal resistance is a good thing, I think.
I’m going to head for the bed. (with tea and book).
Sorry your Town Hall Meeting was so underwhelming Loo Hoo. But, still you spoke. You have a voice.
It’s been real, folks.
Good night, all.
and…Later.
Loo Hoo. @ 232
I’m ready to travel; if we can have a mosh up in San Diego I’ll be there on a week’s notice. Lakers? Anyone?
Loo Hoo. @ 232
Here’s her link
I don’t know when I will be coming down, it all depends on whether she will see me … I’ve told thousands of girls/women about her books and CDs … she is to me the best and brightest light on the path of self- realization.
g’nite demi
Night Demi. Sleep well.
Good evening dear friends.
Cupcakes for all. Flowers to match Suzanne’s bathing suit.
TRex @ 53
I had no idea they still were a band! Or is this a reunion thing?
Lineup? Richard Butler for sure?
demi @ 233
night demi. sorry for being a grouch.
TexB @ 238
TexB, cassie was making jokes about chimpy’s girlfriends. just sayin…
OT: if not seen yet here is an article on Cheney and his attempt to argue he is more powerful than the president (since he is the Executive and Congress at the same time):
Off huffpo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Cheney Attempted To Abolish Agency That Tried To Oversee HimAP
Or more subtly named in the link to:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06…..ey.html?hp
I hope this means this jerk is on the chopping block as well. There circle jerk legal arguments are (if we have any hope, or if there is a God) will be mocked and riducled for 100 years.
Let’s just all keep working on ourselves, eh Alfred, it’s a full time job that leaves no time for meddling with others.
I don’t see much wrong with them, other than looking like something that would get you “Auffed” of Project Runway…
Lessee,
-Masonic symbols (Compass & Square) to remind you to gage your trueness of path
-A few scriptural symbols thrown in about wearing the yoke, having the guts (intestinal fortitude) & the importance of kneeling (who here would argue *that* I wonder?).
That puts TGs in the same genre of “meaningful practice reminder symbolism garments” as Days-of-the-Week undies, really.
*g*
hugs for betsy. cupcakes and flowers… how ya doing?
TexB @ 238
Evening Aunt Betsy. Mighty tasty, but almost too pretty to eat. (snarf, gobble, much) Almost. ;op
Alfred Kelgarries @ 241
You may only tattle if she’s doing something that can harm herself or others. And even then, deal with it among yourselves first.
demi @ 234
‘nite demi, and thanks for the tea !
TexB @ 239
Hi Betsy, how’re you feeling?
This part always feels like the Waltons.
Good night Johnboy.
Dr. Dick
Suzanne
Alfred. It’s all good. I wish I was awake to fully understand some of what you’ve been saying. I may come back to it in the morning. I’m working on my once a month sermon at the early service at my church. Layspeaker. Not ordained. But, I do like to read and think and try to communicate and even sometimes inspire.
Petrocelli @ 249
Would be feeling better if I were not trying to hold down an annoying job and do tutoring this summer. Too tired to swim.
jay @ 242
amen. I think i’m back to sponge at the moment…
come sit over here in the hot tub, tex. the warm water is very soothing to my fried nerves.
Petro
ur welcome. tea hea.
and nite nite youryogiself.
It does sound like the Waltons…it’s only 9:45 here on the Left Coast
Alfred Kelgarries @ 251
As the old blues song has it, “mind your own business and you won’t have no time to mind mine.”
TexB @ 252
If you could just get in the water and float awhile …
Col. Pat Lang has some good analysis on the Hamas/Fatah family fued in Palestine.
-GSD
TexB @ 246
Oh, it was in perfect taste. Just startled me is all.
Suzanne @ 253
Lovely idea. Thanks for the invitation!
demi @ 249
I’m honored. It’s reflected glory, but i’ll try to be helpful.
AK, thanks for sharing — all of it.
brain-mind, emergence, finding a better way.
right there with ya ;)
From Dr. Hillhouse’s post:
Slowly and cautiously, they’re coming out of the closet. The more the secret private military types (or whatever the term du jour is) speak, the more we learn and the more we learn, informed decisions can be made.
That is what I got out of the post,
demi @ 251
And it will be really good, Demi. Nighters.
sorry, that was in response to AK downthread. my error
TribeScribe @ 261
sometime this year I’m going to force my boss to take a day and write up his theory of the evolution of consciousness, complete with Bra-Ket notation (qm mathematics), differential equations, and lots and lots of references to the research on the subject. That little gem will be worth reading, for sure. I’ve modified a lot of my concepts to match his over the years I’ve known him, except for the bits that are just over my head…
have a good nite. the healing waters of the lake are finally starting to work on me….
[Runs down the path from the house, sprints to the dock, realizes he’s fully clothed and screeches to a halt]
Howdy, everybody!
(taking chilled chocolates outta the frige) care for some, tex? nothing like chocolate and warm water swirling around to make ya feel good.
Suzanne @ 262
Thought so. she didn’t seem the type to be a blackwater stooge.
g’nite ak.. peace be with you
Mutant Poodle @ 267
You can jump in with clothes. Suzanne has a whole bunch of towels over there on the dock.
Night, AK. Sleep well and awake refreshed and renewed.
MP, I repeated my dive on this post that I did downstairs, with a much better result.
Suzanne @ 268
Perfect! Thanks friend.
Good night AK.
Suzanne @ 264
no the error was mine, I posted in the wrong thread. The lake is working perhaps a bit too well, i’m starting to go limp…
(do you touch type? I learned in high school because our principal said boys should have the same opportunities to get clerical jobs as girls..anyway, I was happily typing this post while watching a program compile, and looked back and realized I was one place off on the keyboard. thanfully i looked at it before i sent it. If you ever get a post from me composed entirely of cat typing, that’ll be the reason why.)
Petrocelli, is your book (manuscript) about meditation?
Thanks for the cupcakes, TexB.
Suzanne @ 269
i’m peaceful now. talk to you tomorrow.
TexB @ 273
Night TexB. you have mail, btw.
Loo Hoo. @ 76
Two of theirs I always liked linked below, and I wasn’t much of a new waver but I had a roomie who was and he FORCED IT ON ME!! lol . . . but ten years later I begin to love it . . I’m slow . . *G*
Love My Way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VuGVaiyaqw
Heartbreak Beat . . . great groove!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPv0qCg4so8
Suzanne @ 274
Well … the Albanian judge was less impressed … *g*
AK, yes, I learned the old fashion way – with a typing teacher at Pleasant Hill High School that walked with a ruler in her hands. Don’t ever let her catch ya looking at the keyboard or else she was measuring the skirt from the knees up.
Brutal but I learned touch typing
I’m out of here too. G’nite, all!
Night Peterr.
Night Peterr. Sleep well.
(waving goodnite to all the tired firepups)
Loo Hoo. @ 277
Yes, but not the “blind faith” stuff, the tenets which are applicable to every day life … and how to apply them, whatever your beliefs and life may be.
Suzanne @ 284
I am tired but staying. You waving to me too?
Suzanne @ 281
Did you also have some funny music too? I learned typing with some very syncopated (goofy) music as my typing teacher walked around with a ruler.
Oh…and…A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog!
DrDick @ 271
I will. good night.
TribeScribe @ 244
The sacred garments (magic underwear) are taken very seriously, and many testimonials are given about their magical powers. A friend did a surgical residency in Utah. He was in the ER one night when a trauma patient was admitted. The patient arrested and my friend cut off the sacred garments and asked where the fuck the nurses were. The patient was saved. My friend was summoned to the hospital’s CEO’s office and chewed out for cutting the magic underwear and saying fuck. He was nearly fired. Priorities, you know.
sorry, tex, I should have said all the tired firepups headed off to bed….
more chocolate?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 267
looking forward to it *g*
yep. tis a thing of beauty!
Atikar @ 286
no it has been so long (I passed sixty several years back…) supercalifragilisticexpealidocius!
Suzanne @ 274
I heard that even the Bolivian judge was impressed.
Must be the blue suit.
Suzanne @ 279
gah. our problem was the typing teacher didn’t want boys in her class. reverse gender discrimination. That stopped when we got perfect scores on the first two tests. then she started using us as examples. “See, if these stupid boys can type so well, why can’t you girls do it?” My how times have changed.
I went to an event tonight in NH that had two retired generals speaking out against Bush’s war.
There is a great battle going on in America, it is unfolding in front of us.
This Guantanimo news is intriguing. If true it will further erode Bush’s base.
Bush has reached a point where he has no good will left to redeem himself from about 70% of the US. He can only further solidify or erode his base of 30%.
The more he tries to redeem himself in the eyes of the 70% the more his 30% base collapses.
-GSD
coming up on 40 years for me – the thought of that ruler smacking in her hand keeping its own rhythm still causes my pulse to race just as it did when my dad used my full name.
GSD @ 295
Sweet, GSD. Which two?
TexB @ 272
Good to know. Actually, the jacuzzi sounds better about now.
Suzanne @ 291
Strawberries with my chocolate please.
-GSD
Suzanne @ 297
Hmm. I still inwardly cringe when someone calls me “Richard”.
Generals Gard and Johns.
-GSD
Hope you feel stronger in the morning, Alfred.
Hi MP.
Petrocelli, I’ll buy your book right along with TRex’s!
OT Just heard 14 troops killed, Gates saying in unemotional voice its the right thing to do. Wonder if he has sons? How dare he say that. i am soooooo pissed at this! F**K him F*%K bush, i can not express the depths of my hatred.
Loo Hoo. @ 304
Thanks … including my Mom, that makes two pre- orders … look out J.K. Rowling … I’m gonna break your records …
Well, it’s a drive by tonight. Just back from dinner – taken out to calm me from dealing with a crooked web site that I dealt with on camera stuff.
Be very careful, all you who might buy electronics on line. There’s a bunch of just off the charts fraudsters out there…
FWIW, this site seems to have ratings that aren’t gamed by the bad sites themselves…
Steve @ 290
i support an individual’s right to have their own spiritual armour/talismans (within reason). whyTF should I care what goes up against their bodies?
why should they care who or what…oh never mind…*g*
now that’s just asinine.
DrDick @ 301
Mine was when Mom used only my first and middle name…just pretty much meant that I was in trouble.
Suzanne: did you learn on old Smith Coronas (white with black keys)? Also, was it a semester course or a full year…I had it only for a semester and to this day I still have some of the same habits, like having to look at the number keys for the characters above (e.g. the “&” or the “#”). Also, did you have to use the lower case L for the number 1? I remember all that crap…a lotta good it does me after 39 years
Nicole has Keith’s 4th Branch of Government take up over at:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
…but first, howdy, Loo Hoo. Thanks for stopping by the other day.
lots of room in the seats a hundred or so hot tub. strawberries and chocolate on the counter. towels on the stools.
Suzanne @ 310
Sodas?
old royal manuals iirc
semester class and was first year boys were allowed in typing and home ec and girls allowed in metal and wood shop
Atikar @ 308
One day when I was in college, someone set up a table in our post office selling beautiful old (1940’s-era) Remington Rand manual typewriters – the kind reporters use, phone pinned between their shoulder and ear, taking dictation from someone in the field. Had a wonderful, muscular clacking sound.
It cost me $40 and I probably spent about $200 on it over the years, but it had character, and yes, “1″ was a small “L”.
Oh, and it weighed slightly less than a Buick.
Suzanne @ 311
How very Greek.
Mutant Poodle @ 314
I think of it more like the old Roman baths, with everyone sitting around talking politics and such, nibbling on snacks.
This is called P.o.l.i.t.i.c.s.
Pissed off liberals intching toward inevitably crazy success.
Team Bush has realized that we’re winning this movement and will eventually close Guatanimo by force, if we have to, so why not close it down before and try to blunt some of our election success in 2008?
And, really, if you were President Bush – would you rather close Guatanimo or end the Iraq War? This is an easy way out so he can say, “see, I can listen to reason. Now, we really, really need to stay in Iraq.”
But it’s not going to work.
Loo Hoo. @ 309
707!!!
KO: “If Cheney is a rogue nation, the only choice we have is to invade him!”
WhenTF do we subpoena Teh Penguin????
Suzanne @ 313
Girls in Metal and Wood Shop!!! Wow! My public school only allowed the boys to go to the Home Ec classes (sewing and cooking) but didn’t let the girls go into the wood or metal shops…sort of screwed if you ask me. I would’ve loved having girls in wood and metal shop.
How come my towel smells like doody?
-GSD
GSD @ 321
did you pick up Mr. Hanky by mistake?
*groan*
Glenn Greenwald shows us the face of a war-mongering psychopath.
And it is not Joe Lieberman.
-GSD
Atikar @ 319
Yeah. In my high school, boys could take typing (not that I ever knew of any who did), but shop and home ec classes were strictly gender segregated. This was Oklahoma in the 1960s, however.
GSD, I don’t see you downstairs helping out with all the washing and drying of the towels.
TribeScribe @ 322
No, it was sitting on a stool.
This moment of bad humor brought to you courtesy of the Granite State.
-GSD
OK, now I’m out. Goodnight, all. Thanks for the brief respite in the healing waters of
Lake MinnetonkaFiredog Lake.Oops.
I read elsewhere, but cannot provide the link, that W’s mom, Barbara Bush was among those advising the Boy King that Guantanamo was becoming a blight on his presidency and the national honor.
IIRC, W listens to Babs but not to GHWB.
Maybe we should all be writing letters to Barbara Bush instead of to our Congressional delegations.
TRex,
Thanks for a great post.
Your writing continues to get better and better.
Night, MP.
GSD @ 323
lol… “Bombs of Liberation and Protection”
Late Late Nite upstairs
TRex is up with a very sweet kitty:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..a/#respond
MP at 314
Those are now antiques…my aunt gave me a portable (somewhat subjective, since weighed somewhat close to 20 pounds) electric (WOW) typewriter as a HS graduation present…and I thought I was the luckies guy on earth. I pretty much used and abused it in college, but unfortunately got rid of it during one of my many moves.
Pretty funny how I’m typing this on a 3 lb. laptop.
tw3k @ 331
the soldiers are dying in iraq. the war is in America …….
Suzanne @ 325
He thinks that’s a girl job.
Alfred @ 142,
I hope you will write or tape your dad’s observations and stories. I really wish I had done this with my dad.
Loo Hoo. @ 304
Thanks, Loo Hoo. I am feeling better now.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 338
Glad to hear it, AK … G’nite !
Margot @ 337
I asked and he doesn’t want to. modesty, I guess. I’m trying to get him to change his mind, but will respect his wishes in the meantime. he has agreed to my describing some of his sermons and personal theories (like the hell thing), at least.
DrDick @ 57
As one who’s been called “Dick” since before Nixon was tricky, I agree. I’ve recently decided that upon seeing people I don’t like, I’ll just walk up to them, stick out my hand, and say, “DICK!” (Might as well have some fun with my name…)
sleep well, Alfred
Amen! The only thing that keeps me steadfast in my faith is the thought that we will all, at some point, be made accountable for what we do with our time in this life. A friend recently asked me if this was not schadenfreude to think this way – After some thought, I answered, “Yes”, and replied, “I despise my feelings for these people, but I cannot conjure, in the least bit, any feeling of benevolence for them.”