The above clip is one of my favorite scenes from The West Wing, wherein Leo reaches out to Josh after the glass-breaking incident — the story about the man in the hole, and the friend jumping in to save him because he’s already been there and knows the way out is priceless. And so we start this morning, together, in the hole with the rest of America…
Under the Bush Administration’s watch, the rule of law and the very principles on which this nation was founded have been under assault. When I am asked, and I often am, why it is that I blog every day — why I bother getting involved in politics at all when I could be doing something much more fun, and much less stressful, with my time, my answer is pretty much the same: because someone has to ask the questions that need asking and to demand accountability, and I am not willing to leave my child’s future in the hands of someone else who may not do the work. And it is these questions about the restoration of the rule of law and respect for liberty and justice which get me up and at the keyboard every morning.
So, when I woke up to this today, I said that Nancy Keenan — who sat on her hands and NARAL’s mound of fundraising cash through both nomination fights – and Joe Lieberman and every other spineless, non-fighting Bush-enabling person who didn’t dare stand up to be counted when our nation needed them to do so were asking for a wake-up call as well. From the NYTimes:
Both Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. assured their Senate questioners at their confirmation hearings that they, too, respected precedent. So why were they on the majority side of a 5-to-4 decision last week declaring that a 45-year-old doctrine excusing people whose “unique circumstances” prevented them from meeting court filing deadlines was now “illegitimate”?It was the second time the Roberts court had overturned a precedent, and the first in a decision with a divided vote. It surely will not be the last….
So the question is not whether the Roberts court will overturn more precedents, but how often, by what standard and in what terms. As to which precedents will fall next, there are several plausible candidates as the court enters the final days of its term, including the 2003 decision that upheld advertising restrictions in the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law; a 1968 decision that let taxpayers go to federal court to challenge government policies as violating the separation of church and state; and an antitrust price-fixing case from 1911. (In an 8-to-0 decision last term, the court overturned a pair of antitrust precedents from the 1940s that were noticeably at odds with modern antitrust analysis.)
Sometimes the court overrules cases without actually saying so. Some argue that this is what happened in April, when a 5-to-4 majority upheld the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act without making much effort to reconcile that ruling with a decision in 2000 that found a nearly identical Nebraska law unconstitutional.
As a technical matter, the new decision, Gonzales v. Carhart, left the earlier ruling still on the books, doing its overruling “by stealth, without having the grace to admit that is what they were doing,” in the words of Ronald Dworkin, the legal philosopher, who wrote a highly critical appraisal of the new decision in The New York Review of Books last month. “Justices Roberts and Alito had both declared their intention to respect precedent in their confirmation hearings, and no doubt they were reluctant to admit so soon how little those declarations were worth,” Professor Dworkin said from London in an e-mail message….
The Roberts Court has already shown its willingness to tinker with precedent, turning on an ideological dime, on a number of occasions. And Roberts has only been Chief Justice since September 29, 2005. Imagine, as the years stretch out before us as a nation, what damage might be wrought in our names…and you see why Jane and I fought so hard against both the Roberts and Alito nominations from the start.
Overturning precedent is not always bad for the nation — look at the differences between the Dred Scott decision (wherein the Court held that a slave of African descent could never become a citizen) and the Plessy decision (wherein the Court upheld the repugnant ”separate but equal” doctrine) versus the later opinion of Brown v. Board of Education (wherein the Court declared the Plessy decision to be overruled by a doctrine of racial equality in public education).
Sometimes the sentiment of the country naturally moves forward from a place where discrimination or some other egregious conduct is no longer considered tolerable by a majority of the nation’s citizens. We have seen that happen with civil rights laws, with equal rights for women, with questions of labor treatment and numerous other examples through the years of changes for the better — which lift up a segment of society or a particular issue which had previously been shoved to the side or derided as unworthy of decent treatment only a few short years beforehand.
It is the decisions where we turn away from lifting up the powerless, to further dividing the nation into camps of those connected to power and those who are not — where we turn away from the principles inherent in our founding and the possibilities of who we could be as a nation, and instead settle for who we are at the moment because it happens to suit the people in power, where we lose our way.
Or those weird rationalizations that get pretzel-twisted so that a blastocyst in a petri dish that is scheduled to be thrown out on Tuesday from the in vitro clinic where it’s been in deep freeze for three years is more important than the life of a living, breathing human being who might be saved through a tiny portion of those unused, soon to be in a trash can cell fragments. Or where the life and mental health of a living, breathing, all-too-feeling woman, rape or incest victim or otherwise, is treated as less than nothing when compared to a life that may never, ever come to pass.
These are not abstract problems to be considered in a vacuum. As Justice Thurgood Marshall understood all too well from his work for the NAACP, and his life as a black man in a racially oppressive nation, the real world has enough horrors of its own for all of us to look square in the face and try to solve for the betterment of us all — we don’t need to invent fake reasons to inflict more misery on each other in the name of God and man.
Former Justice Thurgood Marshall, who was instrumental in the Brown argument when he was a lawyer for the NAACP, is quoted at the end of the NYTimes article this morning, and it is telling how apt that quote is today as well:
“Power, not reason, is the new currency of this court’s decision making,” Justice Marshall declared on the final day of the court’s 1990 term.
The way forward with the Supreme Court is to once more establish balance and reason in the face of the current swing toward ideological enforcement. The nation loses when the Court’s balanced is tipped too far either way — the well-reasoned discussion and dialogue behind-the-scenes at the Court has given way to an atmosphere of divided camps, just as it had in Thurgood Marshall’s day near the end of his tenure on the bench. And the nation will continue to suffer for it, so long as this is allowed to continue unabated.
This is why it is crucial to elect a Democrat to the Presidency in the next election.
It is the Presidential prerogative to appoint new justices to the Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the Senate. The nation needs a more balanced approach to the law — and to its political implications — than what we have now, and the only way to obtain this is for new justices to be appointed by a liberal President whose appointees will provide an intellectual counterbalance and counterargument to those currently serving on the court.
We must find a way out of this together.
The answer, oddly, to this judicial question is a political one: as the Founders envisioned, the nation gets off kilter during times of crisis or during times of war, and then the political will of the people eventually swings the balance back toward the center and eventually to the other side. We saw the first wave of that in the last election cycle when the Democratic party overtook both houses of Congress as a first step to check the enormous power grab of the Bush presidency.
Justices Ginsberg and Stevens cannot be expected to pull the entire court on their own shoulders for the rest of eternity — and in order to ensure that some counterbalance is added in any new appointments, there must be a Democratic President elected to make those appointments.
And we must work even harder going into the next election cycle to swing things back into balance again with more Democratic gains so that they will have the ability to reverse so many of the wrongs that have been visited on our nation for more than six years now.
Sidney Blumenthal has a frightening glimpse as to why the Republican party cannot be relied upon to cleanse itself:
In private, Bush administration sub-Cabinet officials who have been instrumental in formulating and sustaining the legal “war paradigm” acknowledge that their efforts to create a system for detainees separate from due process, criminal justice and law enforcement have failed. One of the key framers of the war paradigm (in which the president in his wartime capacity as commander in chief makes and enforces laws as he sees fit, overriding the constitutional system of checks and balances), who a year ago was arguing vehemently for pushing its boundaries, confesses that he has abandoned his belief in the whole doctrine, though he refuses to say so publicly. If he were to speak up, given his seminal role in formulating the policy and his stature among the Federalist Society cadres that run it, his rejection would have a shattering impact, far more than political philosopher Francis Fukuyama’s denunciation of the neoconservatism he formerly embraced. But this figure remains careful to disclose his disillusionment with his own handiwork only in off-the-record conversations. Yet another Bush legal official, even now at the commanding heights of power, admits that the administration’s policies are largely discredited. In its defense, he says without a hint of irony or sarcasm, “Not everything we’ve done has been illegal.” He adds, “Not everything has been ultra vires” — a legal term referring to actions beyond the law. The resistance within the administration to Bush’s torture policy, the ultimate expression of the war paradigm, has come to an end through attrition and exhaustion. More than two years ago, Vice President Dick Cheney’s then chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and then general counsel David Addington physically cornered one of the few internal opponents, subjecting him to threats, intimidation and isolation. About that time, the tiny band of opponents within approached Karen Hughes, newly named undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, hoping that the longtime confidante of President Bush, now assigned responsibility for the U.S. image in the world, might be willing to hear them out on the damage done by continuation of the torture policy. But she rebuffed them.
Two weeks ago, Hughes unveiled her major report, extolling “our commitment to freedom, human rights and the dignity and equality of every human being,” but making no mention of detainee policy. The action part consists of another of her campaign-oriented rapid-response schemes, this one a Counterterrorism Communications Center, staffed by military and intelligence officers, to rebut the false claims of terrorists. Asked whether the administration’s policies might be a factor contributing to the problem, Sean McCormick, the State Department spokesman, replied, “You’re always going to get people criticizing policy.”
Gen. David Petraeus’ declaration on May 10 against torture reflected less the ringing authority of an order than the impotence of a personal credo. “Beyond the basic fact that such actions are illegal, history shows that they also are frequently neither useful nor necessary,” he said. But his moral sentiment had been dismissed long before he had uttered it. The commander’s strongly worded statement, putting him by implication in the category of “people criticizing policy,” had no effect on the elaborate system of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” black site prisons, maintenance of Guantánamo, or the 20,000 Iraqi prisoners incarcerated on U.S. military bases without due process. Petraeus has no more influence over the president who says he listens to his military commanders than the commanders who have opposed the policy since its inception.
There is no taking of responsibility for mistakes or for repeatedly and consciously overstepping the bounds of law simply because they think they can. (And I note, for the record, that Sidney has both I. Lewis Libby and David Addington, the Cheney legal enforcement squad for torture policy, cornering some other Bush Administration official for daring to ask questions about an extra-legal, anti-Geneva Convention tactic that the Vice President’s office has advanced. Swell folks, aren’t they?) There is no sunshine in terms of the exposure of wrongdoing and errors by those within the Administration who have witnessed them first hand — there is only a pervasive atmosphere of self-preservation and keeping one’s mouth closed and hoping things will get better without any individual intervention. But we all know that this will not happen with the Bush Administration — things will not change, because they consistently refuse to admit — to themselves or to the public — that things need to change, because there is fundamentally no acknowledgment that any mistakes have been made.
The President recognizes only his authority to do as he wishes – one only need look to his myriad signing statements for a tiny glimpse of what has been attempted in his name to understand how pervasive and how ego-driven so much of this has been.
The same can be said for the Roberts Court, especially in the way that the precedent was overridden without any real explanation as to why this was necessary in the Gonzales v. Carhert decision from earlier this month. We are in for a very bumpy ride for the next year and a half. The nation needs healing — our divisions are growing ever wider, as our problems grow more difficult and more devastating by the day. But such healing cannot come through artifice and obfuscation, and it certainly cannot come without some personal accountability on all sides of the messes that have been made in our name.
This disrespect for the rule of law has been more than pervasive in the Bush Administration — it is a fundamental tenet of their supporters that the rule of law must be changed to suit their view of how the world ought to work. Not so that the oppressed or the downtrodden can get a fair shake, or so that equality and justice might prevail, but rather so that they and their cronies might benefit and further profit from the increasing divide between those with connections and those without.
It is ultra-conservative ideology writ large for fun and profit for the neocons, the Federalist Society enforcement squad, and their hangers-on. And the re-shaping of America’s courts in the image of Robert Bork is only one of their goals toward ideological dominance and control. Instead of tyranny of the majority, what we face today is tyranny of the largest egos with the most to gain for the fewest in number who wish to climb the ladder of success on the backs of anyone who gets in their way, and to hell with the long-term consequences for the nation as a whole.
That is wrong. Worse, it is un-American.
And so, here we are, in this mess with no easy answers. Let us find our way out together…not just for our own sakes, but for the sake of generations to come. We deserve better than what we are getting at the moment. Let us stand up and say so.
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Mornin’ Christy.
Morning Busted. How are you this morning? Personally, I’m in need of more coffee. This one was a doozy to write…
near zed!
morning Christy – thanks for caring about our future – and our Republic.
Whatever happened to the idea of “strict construction”?
Christy – others have posted this Raw Story headline on the previous thread: Cheney declares VP office not part of executive branch: Soon…
Bless you, Christy. (((hug)))
Excellent post Christy.
OT…Gotta run soon, but I am sure your little peanut will love the tea party. I have one or two pictures if you’d like me to send them to you to enhance the excitement.
Feel free to email me at kdickso AT emory.edu
Phoenix at 6 — Thanks. Back atcha. :)
I’m afraid of rectangles too…
It’s not just the SCOTUS that is worrisome, it’s also all the federal judges that have been ‘packed’ by Rove and the rest. This will have implications for our children’s kids and beyond.
Your’e not kidding! It Is a doozy!
Took me a while just to read it!
Of course, I have to slow down when I read things like this so I can comprehend what I am reading.
*g*
Raw Story update: Cheney tells agency that Vice President’s office is not part of the executive branch
If nothing else, the damage done to the Supreme Court is evidence enough why there should not be another Republican president for 30 years.
Thanks Stephen, I was just about to go see it if had broken yet.
wow. you aint kidding. quite a doozy.
btw, nothing new on PACER as of now. will check again at lunch. breaks over. back to work.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
It was a lie.
So, if the Vice President’s office is not part of the executive branch, then in which branch does it reside? Don’t tell me he’s going to claim it’s in the legislative branch because the VP is president of the Senate.
Throw the book at these people. Then throw away the key.
(TPM has a post about Schlozman and just exactly what kind of lawyers he wanted. It just keeps getting worse. We have to get them out of government, and we have to get them out of it permanently. Now.)
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 5
Thanks for mentioning this. I just read through the Waxman letter to Cheney, and it’s loaded for bear. Security breach concerns, retaliation against the National Archives concerns, cover-up concerns – you name it, and it’s in the letter.
Is this the long-awaited sunshine finally making its way into the vampire’s coffin?
A new Gallup poll shows that confidence in the Supreme Court is at an all time low. Only 34% of those polled have confidence in the court. As the final arbiter of what our constitution stands for this is frightening to me. If people do not have confidence in the law, there is very little incentive to actually follow the law.
After years of belittlement from the right (activist judges) on issues such as abortion and gay marriage, this low level of confidence is not surprising. The overturning of precedent will only exacerbate this problem because it makes to court seem even more unprincipled. This is especially true the precedent that is overturned is only a few years old.
I am fearful that it will get worse before it gets better. On a social level, if we don’t want things to get ugly (crime, riots, etc.) a concerted effort will need to be made to shore up the belief in the rule of law. When social institutions lose support, we have lost much of that which binds the nation together. The poll suggests that the public is losing support for ALL of the major social institutions. Check it out. http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27946
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 12
Is anyone surprised by this?
nice clip, Christy, thanks for that!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Strict obstruction?
Stare Decisis…must be “too” quaint for Roberts and Alito. Kinda like Abu Gonzales finds the Geneva Conventions “too” quaint. Kinda like Junya finds the feckin’ Constitution “too” quaint. Kinda like every weasel in God’s Own Party finds the Truth “too” quaint.
Who knew? Why, we did, doncha know?
Great post Christy. But Sidney Blumenthal cannot do this to us! Who is the spineless, running scared “key framer of the war paradigm” whose rejection of it would have a “shattering impact”? If he really believes what Sidney says he really owes it to the World to speak out. Out him now, I say.
We seem to be at a stage where there is plenty of bile being exchanged between congress and the administration- but no wounds are being inflicted- like bickering busybodies.
btw, folks, I am told that C-Span3 wil be covering the McNulty testimony today. Just FYI.
McNulty starting noon, going thru approx 2:30 eastern.
Good morning, CHS, & thanks for writing this important post.
While I’m at it, thanks for the incredible amount of research & work you’ve done on all the posts this year. “Finding the Way Out Together” is yet another example of the diligence & clarity of thought in all your writing. I can’t imagine doing all the research & revising involved in posting here when my daughter was the age of yours (mine’s now 20).
Not the gushy type (as anyone who knows me can attest), but here goes- thanks for wearing so many hats for so long, for FDL and us all. Been wanting to say this a long time…
Jwoods @ 22
Is anyone surprised by this?
I suppose some are, but this reaction by the OVP to increasing requests from the Democratic-led House has been predicted by several commenters here since last summer.
Excellent post, Christy.
I am awed by how these folks can look you right in the face and lie to you, knowing you know they are lying, and reveling in the fact you can’t do anything about it.
I want to live to see them proven wrong about that last bit.
Bless the Christy’s, Jane’s and Digby’s of the world for leading the way.
Marie at 30 — Aw, thanks much. What a lovely thing to say. :)
Praire’s Half Dozen — A Task List for Democracy:
1. Elect a Democratic President who understands the mess and is willing to do the hard work of cleanup.
2. Elect more Democratic Senators and Congresspeople and keep their feet to the fire.
3. Establish a truth-and-reconciliation commission that will get to the truth…concurrent with AG Fitzgerald tasked to pursue and prosecute crimes committed by govt officials and others.
4. Firewall all Bush appointees within the bureaucracy and assign ‘em to new bureaucratic offices in the Aleutian Islands…I understand there’ll be a handy new bridge.
5. Resolve to be ever vigilant and educate our children and our children’s children so we can fulfill these words: never again.
6. Send virtual bouquets of roses to Christy and Jane and Scarecrow and all the posters who are true warriors for Democracy.
I am a believer in the Supreme Court. I strongly believe they will vote in favor of the interests of the State and against the interests of the common man every time from here on out.
“Waxman noted that Cheney’s office had declared itself not affected by an executive order amended by President George W. Bush in 2003 regarding classification and declassification of government materials.”
So, doesn’t this mean that if Cheney leaked classified information to someone, he had no authorization to do so? Therefore, if that is true, then the finger goes right to him, or right to Bush.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Oh, you mean that highly-elastic concept that means whatever Nino Scalia says it does at any given time?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Excellent!
Jwoods says
June 21st, 2007 at 8:17 am
…for purposes of securing classified information, the Vice President’s office is not an ‘entity within the executive branch’
Is anyone surprised by this?
A little bit.
Wanna bet that he won’t still claim the VP’s Office to be Executive with regard to assertation of privilege?
The numbers of late term abortions alone show just how badly the Court’s anti-choice April decision really was decided, pure patriarchy at it’s absolute worst
Read for yourselves the numbers involved, and then resolve to electorally crucify EVERY politician who votes and endorses keeping women as 2nd rate citizens incapable of making their own decisions
Abortion By The Numbers
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
You could run a season of talk shows just on the dichotomy between what they say and what they do,just on that one subject. For example:
Reconcile “To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states…”
with their free market BS.
The administration has learned that if it asserts ANYTHING- no matter HOW stupid- there is no effective way of challenging the assertion.
Waxman can go to the courts I suppose and get a ruling about the time that the administration vacates. I’m gettin sick of this shit- it never ends and there seems to be no effective way of MAKING it end. Once you elect ASSHOLES to the White House- yer stuck with em for the duration I guess.
Can Roberts and Alito be impeached? What if no Supreme steps down in the next 8 years? How long do you think the Dems can hold on to all three branches?
- and it was the bad faith of the repubs that led to all the new conservative district judges on the federal level – how can we get more representation on that level without having to impeach those new judges? Do we have to wait for all of these evil people to DIE????
Christy,
Keep laying it down, line after line. Build this record of calling for justice. I referred yesterday to Samuel Adams as someone we need today. You are more than doing your part.
I believe we live in a time as critical to our country as was its founding. We are in dire need of patriots.
Two weeks ago, Hughes unveiled her major report, extolling “our commitment to freedom, human rights and the dignity and equality of every human being,” but making no mention of detainee policy. The action part consists of another of her campaign-oriented rapid-response schemes, this one a Counterterrorism Communications Center, staffed by military and intelligence officers, to rebut the false claims of terrorists.
I’m concerned that rather than military and intelligence officers from the uniformed services, CIA and/or NSA, the personnel manning this new setup will be Blackwateresque contractors, operating completely outside normal review or normal reach of the law.
Great court essay, Christy. I think that by the time the cases currently under review by the Supremes run their course, it will be plainly evident that the main reasons Roberts and Alito were elevated wasn’t so much their religious zeal as it was and is their corporation-friendly history on the bench.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 33
Welcome much. My Dad, rest his soul, who was not an effusive man by any stretch, used to tell us kids that an “attaboy” every once in a while was good for us because it showed he actually was paying attention to all our hard work…
ET at 45 — Thanks. This one has been building up for a while — it all needed to come out in a rush this morning, I suppose.
Rawstory reporting that McNulty and Gonzo tightening up their story. I thought you weren’t supposed to do that.
http://www.therawstory.com/
My computer is screwy, I’m not sure this goes right to the page, but it’s there.
Seems to me that if the Veep’s Office says it doesn’t have to archive its records, then it it has no defense against the issuance of a subpoena for those very records.
From the Raw Story piece,
Now there’s a real surprise(not).
jayt-
Well it has the defense that they don’t exist on account of Cheney ate em!
If ya wanna be a tyrannical president- ya need a friend as AG- at least one firm lesson from the Clusterfuck years.
Awesome post, Christy.
This next story is going to rock around for a few days:
Reporters/jounalists who made political contributions.
Wait for the cries about the “liberal media.”
“Records? We don’t have no steenkin records”
Is anyone surprised that Roberts and Alito have demonstrated that what was said before confirmation hearings do not coincide with recent decisions? Really people, Republicans are willing to lie, steal and cheat to achieve their political objectives. The Dems in Congress have and continue to demonstrate their complete inability to grasp this reality. Is it any wonder that Congress has an approval rating of 14%? Can’t do anything to impact the course of war and peace, can’t hold meaningful hearings that hold the Administration accountable for their crimes. McNulty is going to testify today and there would still seem to be those who think this time things will be different. This hearings have demonstrated the ineptitude of both the House and Senate Judiciary hearings. Democrats just want to play nice to show the American public how civil they are when all they do is demonstrate their incompetence.
McNulty realized that he doesn’t want to get Gitmoized by the thugs that run America’s justice system now.
Way to go Paul, moral coward and colluder.
-GSD
P.S. Hack and Gonzales lackey Rachel Paulose gets the Andrew Card Degree Treatment by her own staffers as they erupt into sustained applause after a departing employee praises the courage of those who resigned in protest from the Paulose/Gonzales sham of a mockery of a Justice Dept.
Please, more public ridicule and scorn for these people.
I watched all of the Senate Watergate hearings and was horrified at the Nixon Administration’s threat to our system. However, I think this is worse. Most of the younger types involved in Watergate seemed to be gradually led astray through ambition and trust in a few older superiors. The Bush Administration seems to be packed with an even scarier type of Machiavellian plotters who very intentionally subvert our system. Where did they come from? Who taught them civics and American history? Who taught the 28 percent of the public who still don’t get it?
It may be frustrasting it takes so long to get results, but Waxman’s letters are a joy to read. This time it’s especially where he asks, as if genuinely seeking an answer, where the Veep thinks his department does exist.
Chetnolian @ 58
Yeah, Waxman, Conyers and Leahy write great letters. Too bad they can’t run a great investigation.
I read the comments and wonder if we really are “the far laft”. If so what do the Dems who aren’t “far left” believe?
Read frustrating in 58. Sorry. I agree with PMA at 57 and I’ve said it before here, this is much more serious than Watergate.
Bluetoe at 59 — I’d quibble with that. I think the SJC with Leahy, Whitehouse, Feingold and others have done a very good job in a lot of their hearings. The Whitehouse work alone lately has been stellar. I think you are selling them far too short, frankly, because they have dug out a LOT of good information on which to build for future work.
Re stem cell research, from Tony Snow’s WH press briefing yesterday
When confronted by real scientific opinion, Snow blows it off as PR, which is a bizarre statement from someone whose job is PR and whose credentials in scientific areas is non-existent. But then he goes completely weird claiming that Bush, despite his veto, has done more for stem cell research than anyone else. Snow has become worse than a sick, sad caricature of a liar.
He is currently doing chemo for a recurrence of colon cancer. I really have to wonder where he would stand on the issue if his cancer had no good treatment and if a promising approach to it was being similarly embargoed by a know nothing President.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..620-7.html
rwcole @ 52
And a stacked SCOTUS, DC Circuit Court and as many fed judges as possible who will tow the party line. sigh*
PMA@67, most of these people are graduates of the Nixon regime. Rumsfield, Cheney, Rove are just 3 of many that learned from Watergate and were determined to not make the same mistakes in regards to being exposed for the criminals they are.
Christy, Great post and excellent reminder for us all to keep fighting the good fight. On your blog yesterday dikane referred to some court decisions as pretzel logic.. Sounds about right.
I’ll tell you something…we might be able to get the president to turn on the vp…that might actually preserve some kind of legasy for him
check out this from think progress…we can use this to begin the wheels spinning;
According to a letter from House oversight chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA):
– Since 2003, Cheney’s office has failed to provide data on its classification and declassification activities as required by Executive Order 12958, which President Bush has amended and endorsed.
– In 2004, Cheney’s office specifically intervened to block an on-site inspection by the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), which is a requirement of the executive order.
Bluetoe @ 55
The fact that Americans hold Congress in lower esteem than the President is, IS the crisis. I am searching for ways that Americans can feel connected to a government they perceive as not “of them”. This alienation of government from the governed in a time of war is dangerous; this war has already alienated us from the world.
And then there’s Iran.
Redd
On the whole, the hearings have been fine- but unless there is some action following the hearings- people figure that it was all just partisan chest pounding and ignore it. It isn’t clear to me that any tangible benefit is coming out of em- what do you think?
When a Democratic President wins:
Step 1: Impeach Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy for meddling in politics in Bush v. Gore
Step 2: Impeach Roberts and Alito for being illegitimately appointed by someone who was not duly elected president.
Step 3: Require resignations and reapplication by all DOJ Civil Service employees hired after January 2001. Maintain seniority of all who are rehired.
You know, impeachment is NOT just a word for Presidents or VPs or AGs. Impeachment is a word that applies to judges too. The precedent that needs to be set is simply that unqualified liars need to go. Period. Roberts AND Alito (AND Thomas) lied to Congress in order to get confirmed. Also, there must be automatic suspicion rendered against any and ALL appointees presented by the Bush Administration. NONE of the Admin picks for ANY office can be trusted to clean. They, de facto, should receive a LOT of attention and investigation and impeachment, whenever they ar found to be totally inappropriate and wrong for the USA and the People.
Janda @ 21
I think you could also add them handing the 2000 election which is what started this whole nightmare.
I will not repeat my standard SCOTUS rant here, but just briefly point out again that if you look at the history of the Supreme Court it has almost never been on the side of ordinary Americans.
snowbird42 @ 60
The ones who aren’t on the far left(DLCers and blue dogs)only believe in the next campain fund check. Myself, I don’t feel far left. Unless wanting honest and principled government makes me a part of the far left.
I wonder if Scalia has accepted favors for his positions over the years…any way to find out??
BREAKING — once again, walton’s “footnotes
do the walking” — in his opinion, just released!
do take a look!
link to full-opinion there, as well. . .
p e a c e
Helpless Dancer @ 73
I dont either. What we talk about here is mainly commonsense, honesty and respect for the law.
CHS@62, there have been flashes of brilliance demonstrated by Dems in several of the hearings but as a whole the performance of most on the committees has been lackluster at best. They haven’t demonstrated a coordinated strategy like the Republicans (divert, stall and praise the witnesses). I hope I’m proven wrong but having watched the Watergate hearings from beginning to end this group doesn’t hold a candle to Ervin, Dash et al..
There was an active right-wing movement in the last century, led by a Congressman from Michigan named Jerry Ford, to impeach Earl Warren for less heinous “crimes.” Can’t we, with an impeachment majority after 2009, make a move on Alito and Roberts for their misleading and mendacious stare decisis answers during confirmation? They lied; let’s get two replacements!
Alternatively, how about expanding SCOTUS? Rehnquist complained constantly about the workload for Justices. Let’s name a court-packing bill after him, and memorialize the initiative that way to neutralize the right-wing howls. Then put three real Justices in place on a twelve-person Court, appointed by the next Democratic president.
This is why it is crucial to elect a Democrat to the Presidency in the next election.
Why, I think that the S.Ct is pretty diverse already.
You’ve got “the individual has no rights” (Roberts and Alito)
Brain-dead (Thomas)
Bug-fuck crazy (Scalia)
Needs to be tazered every morning just to be sure he’s awake and paying attention (Kennedy)
and Justice Stevens, who is what, about 147 years old? (think vitamins, sir – lots and lots of vitamins)
Nah, everything’s swell – “my fellow Americans, I present to you – Justice Yoo”!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 62
I’m all in for Whitehouse in charge of getting the Justice Department cleaned out.
LS
Sure- Cheney took him on at least one duck hunt which neither paid for- with a value of 50 grand or so. Everyone knows it- nobody does anything about it.
I have worked with guys like these. When faced with a decision, the first questions they ask are :
1) What’s the worst thing that can happen to me if I do this?
2) What’s the likelihood of it happening?
If the worst ain’t bad- and/or the liklihood is low of it happening- then “if it feels good- DO it”.
They really don’t care about law or rules or anything else – unless they’re likely to get caught and suffer some REAL punishment.
perris @ 67
raw story eleaborates
Oh gee, Roberts and Alito lied to Congress?
gee that’s a surprise. heckuva job keeping your powder dry, Harry Reid. That was a really brilliant fuckin’ decision. Hey, give Lieberman a hug for me.
Helpless Dancer @ 73
the “far left” you hear about on corporate media is actuall the center
WHAT WE BELIEVE IS NOT FAR LEFT AND WE ARE THE MAJORITY…however the neo fascists that own the media are able to call us “far left”
LS @ 74
Scalia goes to fancypants conferences, and he shoots prairie birds with Cheney.
TeddySanFran @ 78
I say pack that fu*ker like a bong.
-GSD
McNulty up on CSPAN3.
It’s seems the only option is to continue to seek impeachment of every administration official that has broken the law. This is the only way to nullify the administration and all his appointments. The point must be that this man was not fit to serve as commander and cheif and as a result his appointments are invalid. We have to make this point loud and clear so as to remove any shred of credibility because credibility is power. Truth is power. Speaking it only makes the U.S and it’s citizens stronger, but we must make certain that what we say is truth. If Bush committed treason (and there is evidence that this is possible) then why should any of his appointments stand? I think it’s a fair question.
hearing’s about to start – couple of signs behind McNulty – “Fire Gonzo” and “Impeach”.
What will it take to remove Keenan from NARAL and remake it into a useful organization again?
Code Pink is @ the hearing in spades…
Thank you Christy.
Your very last sentence gets right to the heart of something I’ve been mulling over lately.
The public [read: voters] are getting more restless and angry by the minute. This could help Democratic Party candidates, or it could hurt them, depending on what Democratic lawmakers do – now.
So far, Reid & other leaders seem of the opinion: if a measure has no chance of overriding a veto, it’s not worth the effort to bring forth the legislation at all.
WRONG! (oops. apologies for shouting)
More and more, this [back-room-dealing & nuttin’ else w/o guarantee of success down the road bidness] strikes me as a flawed, dangerous strategy. It makes the Democrats look helpless and whiney, and leaves them vulnerable to every charge by repubs that they’re a “do-nothing” party with no plan.
At this point, the public’s so angry and put-off by the whole Washington scene, I think we’re teetering on the brink of another “throw-ALL-the-bums-out” debacle, unless Democrats separate themselves from the muck, and fast!
I’d like to see Reid & Pelosi bring forth every proposal they feel deserves passage, and do it boldly, regardless of jr’s veto threats and repug congresscritters’ threats of stalling & idiotic dances over whether or not they’d support an over-ride.
That way, whether important legislation passes or fails, at least the Democrats will be seen as the party that cares enough to TRY to help the people and WORKS to forge a better future for all.
just my 2cents
Dems need a fillibutster proof senate and the Whitehouse to get much done in the current climate.
Our government has turned into a punch and judy show- fine if ya like cheap entertainment- not much good if ya want something done.
Hugh @ 72
I don’t disagree with this notion, but what I think is important is how people perceive the court. When people respect the institution, even if it doesn’t benefit them, they act differently than if they don’t respect the institution. My main point is that our nation is losing respect for the main institutions that provide a basis for social cohesion, i.e. even if we don’t like it, we respect it and are willing to live with it, and follow its rules. When the respect is gone, people are likely to turn against the institution itself. And with the increasingly fragmented society we live in, when the core institutions no longer command the respect of the people, we are likely to turn against each other because we all have different symbols of authority that tend to divide instead of uniting.
TeddySanFran @ 78
This is actually the one I really like. Say we get a Dem president in 08 (rather than Fred Thompson as a result of Bloomberg spoiling for the Dems). They should add one or two seats to the SCOTUS and move to fill them with Warren clones ASAP. Totally denude and dilute the relevance and power of Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas. After doing so, move for a law setting the number at that point so no future Prez (say a GOPer) come along and go nuts and add two (or more) yet again. Expand the SCROTUS by 2 and then set the number in stone henceforth.
The House hearing is getting started. I’m not expecting much but I do want to be a witness.
It is a great question Christy? Why are many of us so involved with peace, justice and accoutability? You are a true patriot!
I have been so obsessed the last seven years (have gone through 2 other periods of my life where I have been this obsessed with justice and accountability). I have been so obsessed that I am truely considering leaving the country (that would make some wrong wingers perfectly happy).
For me the choice is be vigilant and respond to the injustice, or get out of the belly of the beast.
If the Libby case makes it to the Supreme Court Roberts leanings are telling.
Just who are the Commanders President Bush is listening to about torturing Iraqi prisoners I want names! I would love to hear them testify before the House under Oath. Also I think that since we are losing a war with a third world country all those comanders on the ground Bush has been listening to should be fired for incompetence. Or what do you want to bet that its Bush and his cronies first propose an idea and then the Army HAS to carry it out because Bush is the Comander and Chief. Who first came up with changing the Armies rules on torture the Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and the White House or the Army Brass? Bush seems to be trying to hang the Generals out dry in the public mind for what I’m sure was his idea. Way to support the Troops Bushie!
Bush doesn’t care a hoot about most of his “fellow Americans,” but he most assuredly owes it to the wounded veterans to strongly support stem cell research. It’s his lies that put them in harm’s way; the humane thing would be to anger his base base and try in some real way to remedy what he has wrought. I gag when I hear him spout his mantra about caring for human life. He is an evil man who seems to get his kicks by harming and infuriating others.
We might gain a little respect in the world if we charged these perverts with the war crimes they are guilty of.
dems can’t impeach anyone. I think we waste our time and energy using that word. It ain’t a gonna happen.
You’d need close to a majority of gooper senators to go along with it- it AIN’T a gonna happen!!
Prtotestors be engaged by police at hearing. Looks like Code Pink
Police in the hearing room talking to Code Pink protestors
LS @ 74
can dead ducks fly?
rwcole @ 100
Agreed. Another thing we will not be able to do is pack the court. FDR tried and failed.
I read Petraeus using the Karen Hughes lie/line that ‘September will be a snapshot in time’.
Those Generals that Bush can’t compromise, he fires.
Those that go along get along quite well.
-GSD
rw at 69 — I agree on that one — I have been less than satisfied with a number of the hearings, especially with the lack of preparedness on the part of a number of the Dem participants, the lax questioning, and the failure to follow things up with concrete steps toward correction or any follow-through at all on a lot of things. There may be follow through, but if it isn’t made public, then we have no idea about it. (The Rove security clearance issue in particular was a big one that just disappeared from public view after that one Waxman hearing.)
Scarecrow @ 53
Let me get this straight.
It’s not OK for journalists, who also happen to be US citizens,
to spend their hard-earned cash on their favorite candidates.
Whatever happened to “money is free speech”?
But I suppose you’re right. This will be used as a blunt instrument.
Protestors ejected from hearing room.
rwcole @ 93
What filibuster? Why do the Dems need a filibuster-proof majority when there has not been a single filibuster to be seen since they took over. Theoretical filibusters don’t count (merely looking for cloture votes). If Reid was worth a damn as a leader, he would actually require GOPers to filibuster: stand up, for hours, days, even weeks if need be, and talk talk talk. None of this counting of cloture votes without a single word (or effort) being expended by the opposition.
I want REAL filibusters back. They cost a lot in terms of time and energy to accomplish and that is a GOOD thing.
Any computer program can handle the job the senators are doing now. A mere if-then-else statement. We don’t need people there as it is. BRING BACK REAL FILIBUSTERS!
Bluetoe @ 108
Were the ejectors wearing brown shirts?
-GSD
Blue–Yep.
About all dems can do is keep anything from happening at all that requires congressional approval- and to be a firewall against another shitty supreme court justice (although it isn’t clear that they’d even stop one of those).
That doesn’t seem like much- but it is- what they are doing is preventing the gooper party from having it’s way with america LEGISLATIVELY.
What I want to know is who this sanctimonious coward is. This person is an architect of this god awful mess but doesn’t want to do anything about it because if he did it might have an effect? How crazy is that. Well, at least, this shows that whoever it is they are still thinking in the same screwy, amoral way that produced the unilateral executive in the first place.
I’m laying down a safe bet that DAG McNulty comes off nothing like DAG Comey. No takers, I’m sure…
rwcole @ 100
That is NOT how it works. You do NOT count your votes in favor of conviction before you start a trial. You actually, you know, DO the trial business first, THEN seek conviction (seek votes). It is irrelevant what reps and senators think NOW. It is only after all the evidence comes out that it matters (and becomes hard to say “no” to impeachment when piles of blatant lawlessness are sitting there on the floor stinking up the joint).
Impeachment hearings, THEN worry about votes to CONVICT. Just like a real trial.
Repug’s and McNulty lookin’ pretty cheery and chummy pre-hearing…
Paul McNulty starting C-Span 3
Praed
Ya need the fillibuster proof senate if you hold a majority AND the White House.
With the grand vetomeister in place- the fillibuster is a redundant weapon.
Praedor Atrebates @ 109
I knew there was a reason I was keeping that Commodore 64 in a box out in the shop.
yay for c-span!
is there going to be a thread for this?…
1) Blumenthal is in some way guilty of the same fault as his highly named sources: he, too, is unwilling to speak for attribution. Yes, I know: confidentiality of sources and all that. But really, he just wants to keep that ego-stroking access to important people who leak.
2) I repeat that I would probably vote for any candidate who said they would work with Congress to restrain the power of POTUS to rewrite and disregard laws: the signing statements issue.
3) Related to #2: I would also like to see a candidate say that they would ENCOURAGE administration members to speak up, not fearing vengeance. I know: organizational discipline and all that. But when sins are grave, convenience and ease no longer are persuasive arguments for discipline and silence.
GSD @ 105
And March will be a Kodak Moment.
Finding our way via C-span 3
rwcole @ 117
Regardless, we have no filibusters anymore. I want them back as they were intended rather than as the current theoretical computer algorithm. People spending HOURS and DAYS and WEEKS standing and talking. EFFORT. PAIN. COST. This mere “do we have votes for cloture” right at the gitgo is bullcrap. Make them WORK for filibuster.
anne @ 119
Maybe, but I think a lot more people should read Christy’s essay here before the traffic moves on. It isn’t OT for McNulty anyway…
Praed
Ain’t the way I work. If I’m gonna invest time and energy in a key project- then I want to make certain that it’s at least POSSIBLE to succeed. Doin it fer grins is WORSE than a waste of time- as the goopers discovered.
Fed up as I was with the Dems in 2000…and 2004… and expect to be in 2008
The reason I voted for Gore (who has rehabilitated nicely in context) and Kerry (who has not) and would even vote for Hillary in ‘08 is
The SCOTUS.
No matter what my problems with any Presidential Candidate, the next vacancy IS CRUCIAL
(In actuality, the last one was, but that is water under the bridge unless you can find documentary evidence of Scalia’s hand in Cheney’s pocket)
(I know Alito was last appointe, I just think that Scalia is the most likely to have provable grounds for impeachment – being narrow-minded and less than brilliant is not sufficient – that’s why we have Clarence Thomas)
anne @ 119
Here we are.
Hugh @ 112
This person is a moral monster.
-GSD
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..p;Code=CS3
allan_in_upstate @ 107
“Money is free speech”, but that right is properly reserved to corporate media owners, who have the most money.
Sanchez setting up a fight between Monica and McNulty
Is the Karl question gonna finally by popped in an inescapable way?
Still wonder if McNulty was forced out due to his role in investigating A*P*C Rosen/Weissman espionage trial.
Was the Israeli lobby after him? When Bill Kristol was so excited by this attorney general scandal one had to ask.
hmmm, interesting look on McNulty’s face there…sort of a smirk-scowl….
McNuttyyyyy looks like that big thought bubble saying…(shut up bitch)!!!
I like Sanchez.
Who was ousted? Code Pink?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 12
I think the strategy now is based on the assumption that if enough people break enough laws then consequences are unlikely. The picture that comes to mind is five Gazelles and one Cheetah and five thousand Gazelles and one Cheetah.
After 01/20/09 we need to push the Dems to make the resources available to maximize the number of Cheetahs. I am not optimistic.
oh watch this jerk! hes going to try to bash Sanchez
Cannon – Nothing to see here, move along
BWA HA HA – I typed that before Cannon open his mouth.
Cannon- The DOJ has made it clear why they were fired.
Steve
White House strategy is based on the fact that the only guy in america who can ENFORCE the laws- is in the pocket of the administration.
Them’s pretty good odds!
Cannon is up *turns off sound*
I think I have a high tolerance for irritating talkers…and even I can’t stand him.
gotta say – I like the idea of forcing a real filibuster. Since it hasn’t happened in *such* a long time, it would be big national news. Just pick the right issue, and let the public watch the Repub’s stonewalling for a few days or a week.
Would be some sunshine to the generally uninformed public as to the true nature of the R’s.
Republicans eating Republicans!
Cannon – Monica presented an alluring he said/she said moment.
Helen @ 131
not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Sanchez is terrific ;->
kathleen @ 137
yes. I think they broke a rule about bringing signs into the meeting room.
Rep. Cannon just tried to throw us under a bus. You missed, Chris.
kathleen @ 145
Republicans eating Republicans!
Big pay-per-view potential there.
jayt @ 144
That and I truly believe that most of the GOP members are too lazy to actually do it. That five day work week was too much; do you think any one of them could talk for close to 24 hours like old Strom did.
Conyers up.
G’morning, Firepups!
Bob in HI
Conyers (YIPPIE)
Bob Schacht @ 151
aloha!
Why do they have to do this “my good friend” bullshit?
i sure hope conyers doesnt all of a sudden take a nap in the middle
Republicans eating republicans?
What matters is their table manners. Are they using the right fork?
“My good friend Mr Cannon….”
Conyers I regret that Cannon continues to describe the conduct of dems as politically motivated. He’s done it time after time. I want to correct him. The claim that a USA can be removed for anytime for any reason. If that were correct there would be no basis for any hearing.
Helen @ 146
Did he really say that *retches*…
Thank you all for live blogging this- I’ve got a ton of online work to do, but this FDL window in the corner of the screen keeps me current ;-)
Glanced up @ tv to hear Conyers smacking down Cannon. Alright…
Republicans suffering from “subpoena envy”!
kathleen @ 133
Think about how self-contradictory your argument is. Events have shown us that McNulty was a creature of his party, with no say, for example, in the personnel decisions of the department. It’s hard to believe he would have had the autonomy, much less the courage, to dig into Rosen/Weissman. Take the tobacco settlement as an example of how Republican interests dictated the department’s actions.
raven
“My good friend”
They only do that when it’s not true- it’s a way of hiding the vitriol- or calling attention to it- not sure which.
Sally @ 99
Assuming bush gives a rats ass about what anyone thinks, including the troops or other countries. It’s been demonstrated time and again he does not care, period.
“No I won’t yield” — Conyers to Cannon, who wants to object to the Chairman’s characterization of his immediately previous statement.
Now he yields….
rwcole @ 162
As a former high school basketball offcial I should realize that!
jayt @ 149
Big pay-per-view potential there.
Oh. Is Jeff Gannon present at the hearing?
My good friend?
Try “The douchebag from Utah”.
-GSD
At least Justice Ginsburg stood up for what is right in the recent awful decision severely limiting workers’ rights to sue for wage discrimintion (i.e. women’s pay gap).
To her colleagues, she may be An Inconvenient Ruth.
Ed*ard Teller @ 124
I agree totally ET. Wonderful post.
yada yada yada!
Conyers is clearly not familiar with blogging, or he would know the most important rule: Don’t Feed the Trolls!
Cannon – The gentleman is correct. There are reasons why they can be removed. Corruption
Conyers: Political firing is wrong.
Cannon: Not a career person. But you can fire a USA for political reasons.
There are times when a US attorney can’t be removed – Conyers
He goes on asking why Mr. Cannon continues to say that the democrats are only acting in a political manner.
Mr. Cannon says that corruption is a reason to remove.
Conyers says that you cannot fire a US attorney for political reasons.
Cannon says that you can.
Conyers calls for a bipartisan hearing and asks Chris to stop saying that this is about politics.
ooooh, Conyers to Cannon: “Now, Chris….”
losing some collegiality here!
punaise @ 168
Her fans might even refer to her as Babe Ruth.
Hugh @ 112
I’ve got two bucks, one for Yoo and one for Addington.
Cannon is stonewalling.
Bob in HI
This hearing will either be very very good, or an damned ugly mess. Seems like very little in between.
Raven
Kinda like when mothers get REALLY pissed- they use the kid’s ENTIRE name “Robert Stanford Grimes- you get in here RIGHT NOW”
Conyers: Comey, a Repub. says this is a very serious matter. For you (Cannon) to say that we are doing this for political reasons doesn’t help at all.
anne @ 172
conyers post at several sites Huffington Post
I thought Cannon had just said “there is not a lot of time” Jesus Mary and Joseph
What is this hearing about? Are we lost yet?
I really hate the republican smirk. Bush has it. Cheney. Snow. Rove. Graham. And now I see that McNulty has it also.
raven @ 154
Why do they have to do this “my good friend” bullshit?
it’s the parliamentary smile just before stickin’ in the shiv.
This back-and-forth regarding the degree of partisanship of Chairperson Sanchez’s opening statement is WORTHLESS.
We do not tune in for this, Rep Sanchez. This is why your institution’s ratings are in the toilet.
Just do the hearing; quitcher bickering!~!
Sanchez: We are continuing this because we have ample evidence that show the serious problems in DOJ. It is not fabricated. 5 DOJ executives have resigned over this.
Conyers: CAGING and GRIFFIN
Oh Yes
Good-Conyers will be focusing on caging.
I think this hearing is already better than the Goodling hearing… and the witness hasn’t even spoken yet.
I don’t think they’re feeding a troll. They’re telling Cannon to STFU.
Yeah, that smirk on McNulty’s face needs a forceable wiping off.
Conyers finally brought a 4″x4″ beater to bludgeon Cannon, instead of a chopstick. I think the “caging” issue has been discussed inside the House Black Caucus recently. This could get good, pups.
Conyers getting them back on track now — why are we here?
Damn Democrats politicizing the fact that Bush was politicizing the Justice Dept.
-GSD
Conyers: we are asking simple questions and we have stacks of testimony that contradict each other
Cannon says that the opening statement by the chair is partisan.
Sanchez says her opening statement was not political. She is saying there is ample evidence that this is a serious problem, not fabricated, supported by facts.
Conyers talks about alleged caging of black voters possibly involving Tim Griffen. There are lists. Hopes McNulty will help him on this subject. This is not a argument between lawyers on the judiciary. The whole country is trying to find out if the DOJ may have been politisized. There are stacks of evidence of contradictions. The Chairman wants to get to the bottom of this. The White House has made you people at DOJ look great. (no documents produced0
Ed*ard Teller @ 191
I really hope he has those Palast emails – and that they pan out.
Is it sexist to fantasize a mudwrestling match between Monica Goodling and Susan Ralston?
Real filibusters sound good. Beats this ‘oh, we don’t have enough votes, so let’s not even try‘ bit. WTF do they run for office, if all they’re going to do is sit and complain about having to do the job for which we’re paying them (and paying them well)? (I’ll also say that we’re not paying them to give jobs and contracts to their friends and relations, either. If they want to do that, they can f*cking well do it out of public office.)
Smith: Monica’s testimony was consistant with what we’ve heard before.
He’s now rehashing her testimony.
reps keep saying there is no evidence
Crap…they are so blind
GSD @ 193
Bastards!
Goodling brought a long awaited burst of sunlight according to this Republican.
jayt @ 185
it’s the parliamentary smile just before stickin’ in the shiv.
I hate it. Don’t like it at all. I like straight forward no nonsense. No blathering about how honored one is, how appreciative one is, blah, blah. When your time to question comes up, NO kissybottom. None. Simply dig in with questions and brook NO diversion or prevarication.
brendan @ 161
Paul McNulty and A*P*C at Jewish Telegraphic Agency
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..trial.html
1oldlady @ 200
No they are not blind. They are lying.
Smith is going to talk out his ass without asking any questions. Geez.
Smith: hearing is not about wrongdoing, not about WH doing wrong in firing. is about the explanations we were given afterwards, misleading comments, etc.
This hearing is odd because we interviewed you before. You were only called after Ms. Goodling and overblown speculation. Smith (R) about the democrats
Frank33 @ 197
Probably, but go ahead and give them the idea. They may need to raise a lot of money some way or another.
Ha! Lamar Smith complaining about the committee’s new privacy protected website for whistleblowers!
Bob in HI
Better link McNulty and A*P*C
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..trial.html
Conyers is going to YELLLLLLLL
Smith: The dems opened a website to ask for information for former DOJ employees.
He thinks this is unfair.
Is it sexist to fantasize a mudwrestling match between Monica Goodling and Susan Ralston?
Not if you don’t SAY anything about it.
Bob Schacht @ 209
So, the complaint is that this investigation is a waste of taxpayer money… But the scope of the investigation should be expanded to cover all recorded history.
Folks, I cannot stand to watch the estimable/excrable performance of my congress critter abusing the constitution and my brain with his stupidity. I’d rather watch a re-play of Star Wars III. which I am doing.
Smith is idiocy and partisanship personified.
Is Sanchez the one during Goodling’s testimony that didn’t know or follow up on the revelation of caging practices by Griffin?
Smith: talks about the confidential website which asks for info about politicization of DOJ. The communications will be received and reviewed by the majority (not minority staff).
House parlimentarians are disturbed by this as well.
Hope this website was not set up with anyone’s knowledge on the committee.
Sanchez: did not have knowledge of the website. Will review.
Since Clarence Thomas’s appointment was approved, the Supreme Court has been a major concern of mine. The night he was approved, I was too depressed to listen to the news, so I went to bed early with a Sarah Paretsky novel in order to escape it all for a few hours. A few pages into it, a new character was introduced – Anita Hill – I think I actually screamed! Later on it turned out to be an alias, and I was surprised that Arlen Specter hadn’t introduced the book in the hearings to prove that Anita Hill was a figment of Thomas’s opponents’ imaginations.
Helen @ 212
Shorter minority: waaaa waaaaa waaaaa.. Someone ask Smith if he needs some cheese to go with that whine.
Google Paul McNulty…A*P*C you will get the point!
Looks like Wally Cleaver all grown up.
McNulty “Integrity trumps loyalty”
Bluetoe @ 217
YES!!
McNulty: I testified truthfully about what I knew at the time. Since then, review of documents, it appears my testimony was ‘incomplete’. I always tried to be truthful. I don’t think anyone tried to mislead me.
This is gonna be a “do over” to save Gonzo’s ass.
They’ve circled the wagons and coordinated their stories. I just hope that the Dems have some decent questions and have a strategy. Probably not but one can always hope.
McNulty “the American public needs to know that the Dept of Justice is bline to partisan politics” What is this hearing about? What a contradiction
Sanchez: Goodling said that as the plan was approved and updated the Deputy knew what was going on. Please respond to Monica’s claim that your testimony was incomplete.
Jane has a fresh thread for everyone. You are going to want to move comments upward soon before the server drag starts to kick in around 275 or so, just FYI.
Bluetoe @ 222
& rover looks like the pbury doughboy. so?
Why the 5 minute rule? Why one witness at a time? Unless of course their efforts are merely halfhearted and more for show than for substance.
yellowsnapdragon @ 190
McNulty is such a tool.
Adie @ 231
the nasty sneer is a “tell” for both, btw
LHP is this the trap? Are they trapping Goodling? Or did they want McNulty gone? Was it a trap for McNulty
Mc: Blah blah blah
Sanchez: She said you were updated. You said otherwise.
Mc: My statement was accurate and truthful so was Monica’s. After I was consulted (after Oct) that info/ist was sent to thw WH and WH sent back it’s concurrance.
OH man, he is parsing. He is lying through his teeth.
McNulty: Integrity trumps loyalty and with the help of God it always will. (did I get that right?)
He’s always tried to be accurate. Thousands of documents produced show that we tried to protect the fired US attorneys.
He’s served as Deputy Attny General, … US Attorney in district of Virginia. No partisan politics – this is what the public HAS to know. Nine years at the DOJ has shown this to always be true. Enjoyed his time at DOJ.
Sanchez: As the plan was approved and updated, according to Goodling, she stated that McNulty was kept up to date.
McNulty: Four areas: 1 Knowledge of the White House involvement. These are presidential appointments and White House was involved.
Sanchez: You knew that Sampson was inolved?
Mc: She was describing my role: in October and not before, I had no knowledge. After I was consulted in October, November, that information was sent to the White House and the White House sent back its concurrence.
Sanchez: Your statement was less than completely candid about WH involvement.
Mc: The White House approved the names
From October to the time I testified, I knew of White House’s involvement.
Sanchez: Repeat. Was the president involved: I don;t know. Was the WH involved? I said yes.
Cannon: Did someone mislead you?
Mc: No
Cannon: you said the you and Mr. Schumer would have different views.
Mc: I didn’t accuse anybody of withholding information. I was disappointed that the information came to light later.
All investigations are conducted by career agents. The removal of a US attorney, if their removal disrupted a case, then we could never remove a USA.
Mc: A US attorney is responsible to the President’s expectations. Lam did not follow administration’s priorities.
Conyers: Can House and Senate Judiciary committes have issued subpoenas. We are still hopeful they will cooperate.
What is your policy helping House and Senate enforce those subpoenas.
Mc has no knowledge and recuses. Can’t respond off the top of his head.
Con: Will you file charges of criminal contempt?
Mc: His recusal means he will not be involved in that question.
Conyers: We’re just talking about us having to bring criminal charges if our subpoena isn’t obeyed. We want you to do your job in the DOJ.
Mc: Sees two questions
Have to take a break. My son is home
Bluetoe @ 227
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
That’s a good one, bluetoe. ROFLMAO
Con: You cut yourself out of the loop on this matter. (after asking about involvement of Ms Miers – Mc gave no answer)
Mc: You referred to my knowledge as being out of the loop. I was consulted at the end of the process. Kyle Sampson consulted before. Near or at the end, I was consulted. I provided my feedback to the process. That begins my knowledge as to how the White House was involved.
Keller Florida R: Mc has the most integrity and ethics compared to anyone according to Attorney General in Florida.
No USA fired because of political reasons, right?
Mc: Correct. Then in answer to a hypothetical, the President has the right to remove a USA
Keller: Tell us what things you feel were somewhat incomplete.
Mc: To say incomplete… blah blah
I’m referring to a fuller story.
Keller: Anything you want to complete?
Mc: Nothing popping to mind.
Talks about the four sizes of offices
X-lg, lg, med, sm
A small office may be affected by USA (What???)
Bustednuckles @ 177
I’m voting Yoo – because of the postion of the hypertext link in the original article – but they’re both evil.
(Isn’t Addington still slithering about Cheney’s lair, or has the veep done a “de-adder” while I wasn’t looking.)
Democrat: Did you understand that Goodling and Sampson had authority to hire and fire? It didn’t operate that way when you were sworn in, correct or incorrect?
When it came down to hiring your chief of staff, you did it yourself, correct? No WH liason was there? True or false?
You never had an opportunity to understand why that order came about.
Did it surprise you that your own authority to hire and fire had been taken away and given to two inexperienced WH employees?
Were you disturbed?
Mc: It definitely concerned me. I don’;t understand Goodlings statements.
Dem: Did you have any discussion with Mike Elston about calling USA’s?
Mc: the January phone calls I knew about. The March phone call I did not know about.
Dem: call? (singular)
Mc. The call in March to Cummins from Elston.
Dem: Purpose of call?
Mc. There was no effort to release information about specific individuals. January call ocurred long before knowledge of testimony.
Mc: I never said that Ms. Goodling misled me.
I am not in a position to believe that someone kept information from me.
Rep: Have you review Ms. Goodling’s testimony?
Mc: Yes I have
Rep: Do you find it unusual that people could have different recollections of things that occurred several years ago?
Mc: No. I touch dozens of things ick a day and working to remember it is difficult.
Rep: Do you find any inherent contradictions in key points between your testimony and Goodlng’s?
Mc: Four areas concern me. I’ve discussed the first. Want to discuss the other three.
Delahunt – Mass. D: Mc has integrity.
Mc: Thanks
Del: You were not part of the “list” process. You were the caboose. Fair statement?
Mc: Fair statement
Del: You were unaware until six weeks ago of that order.
Mc: It was routed around our office.
Del: I’m drawing an inference that you were zoned out of this process.
Mc: Attorney General said he regretted not involving me in the process.
Del: Did the AG call you in and say “Paul we have a list of seven: did he talk to you about this?
Mc: no
Del: I find this remarkable.
Mc: Meeting involving several people lasting about half hour Nov 27th.
Del: Deputy AG signed off on the names (according to Abu) You were the caboose.
Mc: To be fair, I had (some input)
Del: Let me just say this: I think you were poorly treated. I do not think the process is as I know it in the DOJ. You were thrown under the bus.
I have to take a break. Can someone take over?
Really good post, from the heart. I am not a conservative, but what this administration is doing belies the claim that it is conservative in any way, shape, or form. That the Roberts court disregards established precedent without so much as perfunctory recognition of the fact attests to its intellectual dishonesty. Conservative my foot.
Mr. Cohen Tenn. D: Should politics be involved in hiring a career person
Mc: It should not be involved.
Cohen: letter about Harvard and Yale grads honors students overlooked. Are you aware?
Mc: Aware of letter and honors program needs to be reviewed. It is now controlled by career people.
Cohen: Moral in DOJ?
Mc: Many people have wonderful morale in a wide variety of positions. Very good morale.
Cohen: If Abu resigns, will hurt morale?
Mc: He, of course, can’t say
Watt is up: Goodling testified that Sen Dominici raised concerns about Iglesias. She said she briefed you prior to your testimony. You were aware of it, in fact in your handwritten notes you said that “He doesn’t move cases” Goodling told you not to express your concerns. Is that correct or incorrect. Did you instruct her not to include references to Dominici?
Mc: Certain characteristics were
Watt: You deny that you instructed her not to include references?
Mc: I don’t deny it. It may very well be correct.
Watt: If you instructed not to include these details to the Senate, would it be accurate to say that you fully informed the Senate about the list?
Mc didn’t really answer the question
Watt: We want to get to the bottom of why people were put on the list and we do not have any more information than when we started.
Who put the list together and why?
Mc: Mr. Sampson put the list together based upon information he gathered over an extended length of time. By October 6th he had it completed.
Watt: Happened without knowledge of AG?
Mc: I think he (AG) said he directed Mr. Sampson to gather the information and compile list.
Sanchez: Did you ask Ms Goodling to stay outside the briefing and why?
Mc: I was concerned it would make appearance that it was political if she was in meeting. What we did was not political.
Sanchez: Why would you say you wanted to discourage questions?
Mc: doesn’t know
Sanchez: Who was Elston’s boss
Mc: blah blah
Sanchez: AG?
Mc: not sure
Sanchez: Did you instruct Mr. Elston to make those calls?
Mc: No
Sanchez: Did he talk to them often?
Mc: Frequently
Sanchez: How about his asking USA’s to remain quiet?
Mc: Doesn’t agree with that characterization.
Sanchez: Any knowledge of Graves?
Mc: Before I came to the position. Mr. Grave’s own words are in contrast to language used about him. I was not inolved; no specific knowledge.
Sanchez: talks to him being pushed out.
Keller: about Goodling. Small things blown up.
Goodling and Griffen were friends Do you think Goodling was mad at ya? Tell us about the Parsky commission. (huh?)
Mc: We were relying on the Parsky commission in three out of the four California positions.
Keller: What else
Mc: Griffen. Schumer asked me if I know who recommended him to us. What I didn’t know how specifically Mr. Griffen came to our attention.
We later learned that Ms. Mies.
Caging: Sen Schumer let me know about Griffen and caging. I said I did not know anything about it personally. I knew about the existence of the issue but could not testify.
Conyers: Did you say you didn’t know anything about caging?
Mc: Knew about the article
Conyers: Pallast’s article?
Mc:Yes
Conyers: Didn’t Monica G tell you caging might come up/
Mc: Yes
Conyers: You saw the article; you didn’t look at the material in your briefing book?
Mc: I didn’t read the article. Did not become familiar with the issue.
Even if I had I would be very careful about answering.
Conyers: So can I infer that caging of black voters may not have been one of the high items on your list as Deputy Atty General?
Mc: Doesn’t know what he means by it.
Conyers: This disenfrnchises lots of people. Caging is challenging lists of voters who are usually minority voters.
Chris interrupts
Conyers: We’ve got a whole chain of testimony. One of the big issues that came out in big elections. Yes, you looked at the article but didn’t read it. Why does it not concern you. For me, voter rights are a big problem
Mc: I was about to go and testify about why attorneys were about to leave. The subject about one individual, I didn’t have the time and didn’t focus on one particular issue.
I’m very happy to work with you on caging.
Conyers: Your commitment is good enough for me.
Mc: I won’t be around long but it is important.
Cannon: Caging is a term of art in mailhouses
Conyers: So that’s all you know about it?
Cannon: I’m no expert
Conyers: not a mail issue. People are blocked out of the voting process. Maybe we should work together on this subject.
Johnson form Georgia: Why did you belive that Bud Cummins was forced out so Griffen could serve?
Mc: I was told that Mr. Cummins would be asked to leave to make room.
Johnson: performance issue?
Mc: No, I was told he was going in as interim with the hope of serving.
Johnson: White House angered: Sara Taylor, Mr. Rove, it angered the Attorney General?
When did you become aware?
Mc: When I read the email
J: Did it anger him that he wanted them to be fired for performance reasons.
Mc: AG was misinformed
J: You told Schumer that you did not have information as to how Griffen was appointed in Arkansas.
Sorry, have to go.
BustedKnuckles@???:
I lost you in the Firefox restart, but thanks for the split screen extension breadcrumbs! They led me directly to the right download! The split screen feature is so helpful! Much appreciated!
Powerful post. Needed (unfortunately) and well done. Thanks for all your hard work.
Lofgren from California
Lof: Wants to explore Missouri. Scholzmen and voting rights. Went from protection to encouraging voter ID. The case that Mr. S brought forced Missouri to purge voting rolls. Mr. S came in almost immediately after Graves was replaced
Mc: Was not involved. confirmed on March 17th and that is when it happened.
Scholz brought it just before the election – the ACORN case. Were you involved?
Mc: Yes, David Margolis was quite likely involved.
Lofgren: about ACORN
Mc: We notified the AG office that this was occurring, check with the criminal division and they did not object to this case being sought.
Lof: What about the policy of the department that said it should not be brought.
Mc: The integrity division of the criminal department did not object
Lof: Schloz said that he was correcting…
Mc: This is about the word “directed”
Lof: Can we have written clarification on this? I also want to explore an email from Hans fugettaboutit on whether voters can practice or not. I will submit the emails to you and ask for your response.
Cannon up: You’re forthright, responsive, thorough, you’ve done your reputation a great service.
Mr. Maschella had no role in the decision to fire any USA’s?
Mc: That’s correct
He began before the final process. November 27th, he did attend a meeting but had very little involvement. I’d suffered enough and I wanted him to share in it.
Cannon cackles
Mc: He was stuck with the short straw
Cannon: He’s acquitted himself very well
Mc: He’s intelligent
Canon: Do you believe he testified truthfully?
Mc: Absolutely
Keller up: Delahunt talked about being cut out of the loop. There’s something about a control sheet on this issue and signed by the Attorney General? I’m curious and had staff research and see an email from Goodling asking that this be done outside the system. Were you aware that she requested that you be cut out of the loop? Do you know why?
Mc: I don’t know why. I don’t understand the full background on this. I just don’t know.
Cannon: Brings up article about USA;s being challenged in court because of talk of politicization.
Sanchez: Five days to answer in writing.
Thanks everyone.
Boston your liveblogging is amazing. Kudos.
egregious @ 255
Please add my appreciation to that.
Some of the questioning did not seem inept: more knowledge of specifics than I think I could have kept in my head, and less flummoxed by what parsing there was.
Productive session?
Thanks you guys.
Of course Roberts and Alito were lying. Why the surprise? (As was Thomas lying during his conformation hearing). Need to pray for the nonretirement and health of Justices Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter, and Breyer through January 20, 2009.
Just curious, but why would electing a Dem. president guarantee the Supreme C. will get anything more than slightly better?
Do you have a sense of how good Breyer and Ginsburg have been on issues besides choice? Because I have the vague (and unsupported impression) that they’re kind of lousy on things like privacy and the 4th Amendment and worker’s rights, and so on. (Lousy compared to progressive goals — the same way Clinton himself was pretty lousy based on those goals.)
I can see Obama maybe picking progressive jurists, but have trouble seeing Clinton or Edwards doing so.
That said, of course, I’d still take 9 mediocre centrists like Ginsburg or Breyer over shitbag radicals like Roberts/Thomas/Scalia/Alito.
bushworstpresidentever @ 258
Is it just possible Mr Scalia is showing signs of dementia, as evidenced by his preference of Jack Bauer over international law as a source of judicial wisdom? Wise me up, o legal scholars, is there any precedent for removing justices who go dingy on the bench or do we have to wait till they actually do something blatantly unequivocally criminal?
Aye, Christy.
I don’t have much hope for you. Who opposes it? Most of the Democrats seem to be corporatists, who don’t have any genuine ideological opposition to most of what the Repubs have done. Okay, they aren’t keen on the social side — women’s rights, church and state etc — but you don’t see them do much to oppose the increase in executive power.
So who’s left? No one with any power or ability to change anything. It’s all about the dollar. Frankly, I think the best thing would be to campaign for “none of the above” and convince people not to endorse your leaders. In the UK, the government is considering making voting compulsory (which is hideously undemocratic) because so many people refuse to elect anyone who’s on offer. In the UK, just like in the US, the winner takes all. Whoever is empowered gets to do whatever they want and everyone else gets to whine about it.
Breyer and Ginsburg aren’t liberals. Clinton chose nominees who could be confirmed by a Republican congress. They would have been on the right of the Warren court. The court hasn’t had a liberal since Brennan and Marshall left.
I keep thinking that perhaps the Vice President statement taking himself out of the Executive branch by both his own statement and his own actions confirming his statement should serve as his own decision and action resign. Maybe an abandonment of his position or constructive “eviction” imposed on himself. There has to be a recognition that he has rejected his post; he was elected as 1st in line to Chief Executive which he no longer accepts. Quick. Let’s accept his resignation and elevate the Speaker. He abandoned his post, he says. So, what is one to do?
The horse has now gotten light years out of the barn with the confirmation of Roberts and Alito. The Borkian momentum is in motion and nothing can stop it now, tragically.
Jay Gould is certainly correct that Ginsberg and Breyer are by no means liberals, and while Ruthie may fondly remember being one of the ACLU’s litigators, she has long abandoned that path, dispite her small and merely symbolic protest of recent vintage, reading excerpts of two of her dissents out loud.
The best that the non hard core right-winged Supremes (and we are watching Kennedy evolve into one of the hard core right winged Supremes) can do is to muddy the waters, the way they certainly did in an opinion that established absolutely no direction whatsoever, an enigma enshrouded in a mystery, Rita v. U.S. (announced yesterday) that was supposed to help clarify, but did nothing whatsoever to clarify the U.S. sentencing guidelines’ application.
The practical application will be anti-defense bar, anti-defendant, and anti-Sixth amendment, and as Justice Souter’s lone dissent said:
“This would open the door to undermining Apprendi itself, and this is what has happened today.
Without a powerful reason to risk reversal on the sen-tence, a district judge faced with evidence supporting a high subrange Guidelines sentence will do the appropriate factfinding in disparagement of the jury right and will sentence within the high subrange.”
This case is but one of many examples of opinions during this term that have foreclosed the rights of the individual, and it is going to be a rocky 35-40 years as Alito and Roberts serve out their long terms, and potentially worse if Bush can ram through two more appointments by a one of the most passive Senate Judiciary commitees in U.S. history.
Christy writes:
A lot of us agree, but watch any Congressional or Senate hearing these days, for example the egregious witchery and impudence of Lorita Doan (she of the “hortatory subjunctive–when could you need I.V. phenergan more than to watch this imbecile)last week who knows she shattered the Hatch Act and has been recommended to be fired by the counsel who investigated her.
What you get at every one of these hearings are Republicans clucking “why are we here–this is all innoquous!”
My point is that with the recalcitant Republicans who even refused to vote “No Confidence” in Gonzales last week, you are going to have to have significantly more of a majority and a Democratic win among Gore, Clinton or Obama–I don’t think Edwards will win enough of the “Super Tusnami Tuesdays”
I am afraid Christy’s admirable and correct idealism is never going to see the light of day in this contentious Congress that is polarized against a backdrop of the most apathetic era of Americans in our history.
There is an old platitude that goes “You get the degree of democracy that you deserve.” We are sure getting the pseudo-fascism of the Bush-Cheney administration and the unitary executive rammed down our throats right now–with two nit wits who claim they are exempt from every law and they can upend any law passed with a mere signing statement.
Right now, approximately 5 Americans are being blown up without available IED (and more penetrating) bomb deterrance per day and about 100 Iraqis per week.
80% of American forces die now from road side bombs–and the inept bureaucracy and Congress have done nothing to provide deterrant jammers and vehicles to prevent them although they exist.
There are two million Iraqui refugees and many of them are women who are putting food in their mouths and their children’s mouths by working as prostitutes in places like Syria.
The American answer to this is to shop for more and larger SUVs and more Manolo Blahniks.
I have wondered every day what it will take to jar Americans out of their complacancy and their bumper sticker war effort (at best) and short of a draft I think nothing will.
I think the Supreme Court of the U.S. has been irreversibly now evolved into one of Dante’s rings of hell and will stay that way for the next 50 years at least.
It is also rarely pointed out, so I will, that if you examine the backgrounds of the 1250 or so current trial and appellate judges, a very significant percentage of them who are not from the ranks of the U.S. attorneys or AUSAs have never litigated for a second in a federal court room. If you examine all 12 appellate courts, you will find this paradoxical fact to be true.
We also have an environment right now where the upper echelon of the DOJ closely resembles the back room of the Bada Bing on the Sopranos where ridiculously no one testifying can recall who dressed them that morning, and of course Rove, Cheney, and the White House Counsel fired U.S. Attorneys in the middle of a number of investigations and pending indictments.
The Stanford Law review reported a statistical study recently that revealed Democrats prosecuted over Republicans at a ratio of 4:1.
The Supreme Court has headed into a horrible context as to fairness, and one that I believe is totally irreversible.
The D.C. Circuit took a big whiz onto civil liberties when it denied habeas in Randolph’s and his law clerk’s opinion in Hamden v. Rumsfeld and the Supreme Court denied cert. twice. to review detainee habeas.
((do not print—just a question))
For several days now, my computer at home will not download all of the firedoglake website. It will stall or start to download something else but never complete. You get the “not responding” note in the at the top of the screen.
The computer will not work until you go to task manager and “end task”. This is the only way to get back to the Internet; and of course, I never get to read firedoglake blog.
Do other people have this problem?
On other computers, I can enter and read the site.
Thanks for any suggestions.
For sdred–
The behavior with TM suggests a resource problem, but if it’s only the FDL site, then I doubt it.
What happens when you ping http://www.firedoglake.com by goint to the cmd prompt and typing ping http://www.firedoglake.com and also as a workaround you can try using the IP address:
38.119.55.162
What happens when you type tracert http://www.firedoglake.com at the cmd prompt?
I don’t know what OS you’re using or if you’re even on a Windoz box. It sounds to me like this is happening due to a CPU/resource problem–and I don’t mean hdw since you have to use TM to end task. I’d try to minimize services running you don’t need by typing services.msc in run–XP or Vista default’s plenty of those, and try to minimize taskman processes you don’t need, as well as going to msconfig and end programs you don’t need runing at start. (just one of the places but not enough space here).
I’d also defrag often preferrably with someting competent like Perfect Disk, and run system file checker.
Perfect Disk
http://www.raxco.com
*Vista Services*
Part One
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx
Part Two
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx
Many of the services but not all in Vista are the same as in XP, so in that
context:
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/services.htm
Also see the extremely helpful site:
Black Viper’s Service List
http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm
Type sfc /scannow in the run box> or on Vista do it from an elevated cmd (type cmd in search>rt. click it and run as admin.
If I have a place to send, I have detailed instructions for maximizing CPU I use on the Vista groups that covers both I’d be happy to send you.