Team Libby has filed its motion for appeal with the DC Circuit today. I just got a copy of the filing notice in my in-box, and it contains information regarding the assignment of the three-judge panel that we talked about earlier. Libby has drawn Judges Sentelle, Henderson and Tatel as his assigned three-judge panel.
I have been wondering if this would happen — since Sentelle, Henderson and Tatel had already been immersed in prior filings in this matter, and Federal judges generally give some priority to assigning judges who have a history of past work on a matter for judicial economy reasons, so that someone else won’t have to go back over the same ground all over again needlessly. (See here for the general rules that govern assignment of federal circuit judges to matters at bar.)
As a bit of a recap on the prior work that Judges Sentelle, Henderson and Tatel have done on this case, I’m going to take you back briefly to a prior post of Jane’s:
Just to recap a bit: On February 15, 2005 Judges Tatel, Henderson and Sentelle handed down a decision saying that Judy Miller and Matt Cooper could not claim journalistic privilege and refuse to testify in the CIA leak case. Eight pages were redacted from Judge Tatel’s concurrence, and people have been speculating wildly ever since about their contents. Dow-Jones filed a motion saying that the eight pages should now be released, and Fitzgerald is agreeing to release certain sections.
For a copy of the prior order in that matter, which was delivered by Judge Sentelle, with concurring opinions filed by all three judges on the panel, you can read here.
Yes, this is the same Judge Tatel who wrote in his concurring opinion about “the plot against Wilson” in those eight redacted pages that we waited so long to see.
And these are the same three judges who ordered that Matt Cooper (then of Time) and Judith Miller (then of the NYTimes) go to jail if they were unwilling to reveal information about the identities of the government officials who were trying to use them to launder their political payback disguised as information about a political critic’s wife’s job with marginal news value and what those officials said to them regarding the case under investigation.
For a copy of what Libby’s appellate counsel, Lawrence Robbins, was proposing to be filed as of this morning, you can take a peek at it directly from his firm’s website. (PDF) (H/T to TiredFed for the link on this one.) I have not yet pulled the final copy off PACER as filed, but will do so as soon as The Peanut goes to bed.
There will be a lot more to come on this one as I have time to read everything, and as Jane and I dig into the meaty bits and the implications thereof. But it looks like the luck of the draw on this one, at first glance at least, has to go to Team Fitz. But there is a lot more digging and argument to come, and the one thing that I have learned in my years of legal practice is to never, ever try and second guess a judge.
Team Fitz has to respond to the Motion For Release Pending Appeal and other motions no later than 4:00 pm ET on Friday, June 22nd. Any reply to such response from Team Libby must be filed no later than noon ET on June 26th. Curiously, in the filing notice, there is a notation about a motion for leave to file a brief amici curae which was denied — would love to know what that is about, and will try to dig something up on it as well. Looks like we’ll be spending some quality time with the highlighters and red pens for the forseeable future.
For more on the prior opinion from Judges Sentelle, Henderson and Tatel, see here, here, here and here, for starters.
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Oooh. That’s sound rather tasty.
zed?
That is incredibly weird. I know it’s a slow time of day, but I even read the whole thing through.
Dang! I was so happy to see another post by Christy that I stopped to read it before chasing the zed! Well, Liss managed to do it quicker than I did.
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 4
It is a pleasure to read CHS’s posts, isn’t it? One of the things that I love so much about FDL is the legal analysis, in addition to the political commentary and news.
Ok, from Justice Brandeis, contra Cohen:
“Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.”
–Justice Louis Brandeis, Other People’s Money, and How the Bankers Use It, 1933.
“Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence….
“Order cannot be secured merely through fear of punishment for its infraction. The path of safety lies in the opportunity to discuss freely supposed grievances and proposed remedies; and the fitting remedy for evil counsel is good ones.”
–Justice Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, 1927 (concurring opinion)
“Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law.”
–Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. United States, 1928
wow
Judge Sentelle was extremely hostile to the Clinton administration in a number of cases. From wiki:
Can I ask a hypothetical?
Just suppose Libby is considering flipping (I doubt it, but just suppose). In this sequence of time that we’ve been going through since the jury’s guilty verdict, are there good times to flip? bad times to flip? Is there a point after which flipping is pretty much useless?
Bob in HI
Was Tatel the one who said that what he saw in the “redacted pages” that there was evidence of a “breach of national trust” or something like that in the Miller appeal? I remember reading it ages ago, and it was scathing.
Christy,
It sounds almost like the panel is made up of judges who actually follow the law as written and recognize Stare Decisis. But as you say, we still have to wait (after all, if we had gone by the purported legal philosophies of the SCOTUS in Y2K, Gore would have been President so we know that judges can use Pretzel Logic to achieve their goals).
But I’d wager the Gang of Twelve was up to submit another less than shining brief in the denied amicus petition.
btw, for those wondering, the PACER number assignation is 07-3068. I’m not finding anything as yet, but I believe the circuit folks have to hand scan documents as I’m not certain they allow electronic filing at this level. Anyone who practices in the DC Cir. that can chime in on a yay or nay on this, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks! (Also, if anyone is finding them and pulls the docs and is willing to send them along, I’d appreciate that as well. ReddHedd AT firedoglake DOT com)
Thanks for the info Christy. This was the first place I looked for info on this subject when I came home from work and there it was.
I appreciate the effort.
flatford39 at 13 — You are most welcome. May have to make a trip to Staples tomorrow to pick up more highlighters if they keep this up… *g*
MR. Bill @ 6
I also remember reading somewhere that physical violence, rather than being illustrative of power, is instead illustrative of weakness. This is because the highest and most effective form of power comes from legitimate authority.
Because of Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, Bushco. does not have legitimate authority to the same degree that other presidents have had.
Bob in HI
LS @ 10
Yep, as I recall Tatel’s concurrence was indeed scathing. I was pretty happy when I heard.
Libby rolled Snake-eyes. Never good on the come-out roll. I hope these 3 judges slam the door shut on Traitor Boy.
Ghostman
Won’t Comstock and her minions paint these judges as “already tainted by the prosecution” since they participated in sending Miller and (almost) Cooper to jail? Can’t she use their previous involvement in the case, especially the “plot against Wilson” as more evidence of politicization?
And how will we counter this?
Everyday where there is hope that law will prevail over cronyism is a good day.
TeddySanFran @ 18
I would think that Comstock would have to be very careful about calling out Fed Appeals court judges as biased. It would seem to NOT be a way to win friends and (positively) influence people.
Teddy at 18 — Judges who follow the law as written rather than skewing it for political or other inappropriate reasons are never, ever tainted by the likes of Comstock. Plus, she has to practice in front of them in DC — the last thing she is going to want to do if she values her license to practice is attack the character of federal judges. Trust me on that one. If she does, then she is even dumber than I thought she could ever be…
dakine01 @ 11
In Gore v Bush a little bird told me that the 11th circuit was sending Gore v Bush to the Supreme Court hours before it was announced. Since then I have been a believer in pretzel logic..
FWIW, if I understood the bios correctly:
Sentelle was appointed to the Appeals court by Reagan,
Henderson by Bush I and
Tatel by Clinton
Does this decision need to be unanimous or is it two out of three?
I would be so happy to see JUSTICE!!
Loo Hoo at 24 — Two out of three is sufficient.
Christy, If it rules against Libby, can he request a full court hearing?
JPL at 26 — Yes, and likely he will do so if he loses, given the tenor of his support crowd anyway and the amount of money they have poured into his defense thus far. Every day he fights his sentence is another day that they can screech and deflect attention from his former boss, among many other reasons.
Christy, If your e-mail is secure, I’d share my source for my gore v bush comment.
I wonder if the people who sent money into the Libby defense fund really expected that he would walk, or if it more a political statement about whose team they were on.
JPL — well, I’m using g-mail. And I have a secure connection at home. So take that as whatever it’s worth since I’m not at all a techie…
After the full Court hears him, and if he’s denied, does it go to SCOTUS for an appeal?
TeddySanFran @ 31
Please say no!
Is it Firedoglake@gmail.com
Teddy at 31 — Yes, but only if the Supreme Court accepts certiorari, which is done in only a very tiny percentage of cases. Odds are very slim.
JPL — It’s ReddHedd AT Firedoglake DOT Com. Gets forwarded to my g-mail from our own server.
I’m still a little confused. I thought Froomkin said we wouldn’t know the Appeals Court panel members until the decision was handed down, per the Court clerk. Are we sure this amicii-deciding panel is the same panel that will hear the bond issue?
Wow. Did you see that Conyers has put up a secure website for DOJ personnel to write the committee about problems they have seen with regard to the politicization of the Department of Justice? How cool. I wonder if Waxman should do something similar for people holding RNC emails?
http://thinkprogress.org/
I just love it when Christy gets out the highlighters and red pens!
As soon as Novak came out with the second column where he outed Brewster Jennings, I knew this was more than politcal payback for Ambassador Wilson’s yellowcake expose. Breach of national trust indeed.
The excuse they used that outing Valerie was to even a score with Joe is a red herring, a mulligan, if I understand the terms correctly. That excuse is only to cover for the fact that they wanted Brewster Jennings out of the picture because they were getting a little to close to busting their little ring of treason.
That, and they didn’t want any real intelligence getting in the way of their next little excellent adventure in Iran.
Luckily I have a few years under my belt and have learned to be patient while justice grinds its slow but exceedingly fine wheels.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
Remember all E-mails are totally safe and secure. No one can ever read them. Really.
Teddy at 36 — All I know is that a three-judge panel is assigned per the copy of the court order that I am looking at in PDF format. And that I’ve expected it would be these three, anyway, because they have already had to wade through voluminous filings and CIPA documents and other matters in the case. It makes sense for them to be assigned, just for judicial economy reasons alone. So it’s not a shock, truly.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
I’m happy to see no Silberman. I don’t respect the man. (Luckily for me, I don’t practice law…although I do sometimes visit D.C.)
It’s beer o’clock on the left coast.
I believe in cosmic justice, cold and slow as it may come…
My particular tormentor in middle school, the football guy who called me ‘faggot’ and spread ridiculous stories about me (I didn’t come out ’till I was over 40) went on to join the Navy Seals and according to his brother, had a sex change after leaving the Navy.
There is karma and she’s a bitch.
I don’t know the other two, but my memory (from Clinton stuff) is that Sentelle is one of the worst of the worst. Hope I’m wrong.
That stupid fuckin’ Craig Crawford just said, “Maybe that was what Hillary wanted; to be boo’d by the TBA while praising the troops.” Would someone slap that fool/tool upside the head?
John Emerson @ 44
John, those are my recollections of Sentelle, also. However, he may hold Scooter to a Clintonesque standard.. We can hope.
Bonnie Raitt and John Prine will ease your troubles as you ponder bad judges and outlaws.
youtube
What is the percentage of appeals that are won in cases similar to this one?
Eureka Springs @ 47
Thanks ES – perfect timing and Bonnie and a fresh cup of coffee are lifting my spirits nicely.
Frank33 @ 39
Oh well, my son fortunately doesn’t get sick often but when he does he has to take higher level antibiotics. You’d be amazed that while he was filling a prescription at the pharmacy how soon the bank called to verify the charge.. This was right after the anthrax scare so guess I’ll get another phone call..
Karpinski next on KO!
I just saw the light!
Bush won’t pardon Libby. He can’t after all the people he killed in Texas.
Scoots will only do some # less than 30 months. Nobody is trying to electricute him!
Nice to see General Wes Clark has made the switch from FOX to MSNBC. Does that mean no Prez run, I wonder?
hychka @ 52
I’m not follow your reasoning though I don’t care…I like your conclusion…not sure I agree with it but I can cross my fingers I’m sure
Clark fits MSNBC far better. Keith gave him a warm welcome.
if I’m reading your post correct christy (be still my heart)…this does not bode well for team traitor!
Christy, I wonder if you can answer a question for me. Why does Comey’s delegation get confused with an appointment of a Special Counsel? I put some thought into the subject over at my place, but the gist of it is, who cares? Fitz was and is a U.S. Attorney. Comey’s delegation was just a way of fencing off the investigation from the prying eyes (and fast fingers) of the Bush Administration. I put up the relevant passages from the US Code. I just wonder if you’ve had time to parse it or have heard it from a Fed’s perspective.
Karpinsky is saying Miller and his 22 men “Gitmoized” Abu Garaib.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 35
if it comes from this server I am pretty sure it’s not secure, I would think of all sites to monitor for political reasons this would be on that list
I would work something else out you guys
Loo Hoo. @ 58
Actually, I think she said Miller said he would “Gitmoize” Abu Ghraib. She was quoting him using the term. Not sure I knew that before…
shoot. lost track of time. what did Karpinski say besides “they’re only Iraquis?”
Don’t like Sentille at all. Never did. Jesse Helms’s boy. I don’t think it’s good news. But I suppose it could be worse. This may have been answered before and I haven’t done a whole lot of criminal stuff, but what’s the standard of review? Abuse of discretion?
Perris, It actually isn’t that major of a deal. Just gossip likely.
Jane Hamsher @ 16
this is under reported…would be nice to find that source and pin it on anyone that suggests this traitor get a pardon
did Peanut go to bed yet? (8:30 was bedtime at our house at that age, but it’s summertime!) I can get the Libby Release on Appeal filing from Pacer if you’d like, but I’m willing to bet they wont have the videos.
TeddySanFran @ 53
Well the good General Clark would make a great Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State or just about any important office. The new Gore administration can be counted on to appoint the best, brightest and qualified cabinet.
TiredFed at 57 — I did some work on that issue way back when Team Libby first started bringing it up. I’ll try to pull up some of my older posts on that and re-read all of the CFR and DOJ rules and regs on delegation of authority and get back to you on specifics. But, essentially, my rationale was that there had to be a way to “Chinese wall” an AG with a conflict of interest from a criminal investigation in order for it to continue without a taint — otherwise, members of a Presidential administration would be able to break the law with impunity. And that is unreasonable, because the law always tries to find the way to punish the lawbreaker in the way that things are constructed. But, as I said, I’ll go back over that again.
I think Team Libby is grasping at the few straws it can while it still can. The CIPA aspect, though, is not one that I looked at in detail — it’s one that Tom Maguire’s bunch have been pushing for a while. The porblem for Team Libby on even bringing that up now is that I don’t recall an objection being raised on the record by Libby’s trial counsel to that particular aspect and, by failing to do so, they may have waived their right to even bring it up on appeal. We shall see…
new vernacular for teh libby team= “team traitor”
has a very nice ring to it…I hope it gets some legs that would serve us nicely
Karpinski said that there was a general sense of “Oh, they’re just Iraqis”. I can understand that our military would take care of our own first, but a general sense that Iraqis were somehow less human.
wow. we didnt get Silberman? that’s certainly good news. more so that we got Tatel.
I was out for a good portion of the day and haven’t read Cohen’s remarks yet. Is it worth wading through his non answers on why lying is okay?
perris @ 54
I believe Gov GWBush holds the record for death row executions because he said that he believes in supporting the rule of law. After allowing a record # of executions under one governor’s watch, when roughly at the same time a “liberal” gov. of IL commuted all on death row when seeing how poor the investigation system is/was, how can now president bush (caps not used out of respect for his predecessors) commute the sentence of someone who merely pulled 30 months??!!!
Karpinski named Stephen Cambone and a Gen. Miller. I understood her to mean these were the Torture Guys.
Loo Hoo. @ 69
Palestinians experience the same sort of sentiment. Many think that Aaaaarabs are sub-human. It’s outrageous to say the least.
perris @ 68
You just jarred my two remaining synapses.
I recall the legendary EPU calling BushCo ‘Team Loser’.
I haven’t seen him in a while. Has anybody else?
hychka @ 72
aha
you are under the impression bush administers his brand of “justice” with an even hand
that would be a no then
sorry
hychka,
You see Bush strolling into a small town in Texas with a star on his shirt, boots and hat, twirling two guns on his fingertips? I think that’s how he sees himself. Watched too much Matt Dillon as a kid.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
can hardly wait. this delegation boogeyman has always seemed odd to me. I deal with Federal delegations of authority all the time. This one was not unusual. It would have been odd had Pat not already worked for DOJ at such a high level. they are really picking nits, but I think they are really just barking up the wrong tree. I do hope the judges just smacks them upside the head with this one.
JPL @ 71
No.
That lawyer Karl, commenting on Countdown just now, was standing in exactly the same place as Jane when she appeared on Countdown a year ago, just two blocks from my house!!
*g*
dakine01 @ 79
Instead read the 106 pages of invective, anger, incredulity, reasoned argument, vicious snark, and derision at the original Cohen article…
The readers have spoken, and called him a wanker…Good times!!
dakine01 @ 79
Marcy has it in a nutshell.
newspaperbrat @ 66
I try not to fall into the false hope Gore trap to much, though you and punaise don’t make it easy. *s* If Gore does enter late I think he should name a bunch of his favored folks like Wes, as soon as possible, imo.
When Obama’s general cousel made his remarks about a Libby pardon, I was among the folks who called the campaign to sound off on their voicemail. Just got a return call tonight asking if I saw Obama’s statment on the matter. I said I did. The caller asked if that took care of the matter for me. I said no, what really turned things around for me was when Obama girl started singing. The guy thought I was saying all was well; didn’t get it that I thought the statement was as irrelevant as her song. We hung up, then a few minutes later the guy called back, recognized my voice, and said “I already called you, didn’t I?” I said yep. He said he was just working his way down the list. That it took so many days to get back to me indicates they must have a lengthy list.
TeddySanFran @ 80
Alamo Square, five blocks from my old house.. Thank gawd that park can’t talk..)
nothing on PACER yet.
TiredFed @ 78
You have mail. have spot ready for the appeal docs as soon as you pdfize them.
Liberal Heart @ 84
But, how amazing that they are actually calling everyone back! I am impressed.
Loo Hoo. @ 77
Yah, I did.
bush has little more to be concerned with than his place in history. Just think he will have trouble reconciling the two positions. And, if he doesn’t, there are millions out there to point out the inconsistency.
Hey! I support fdl with my soul and $. I just had a thought while the judical mumbo-jumbo-no-logic-to-it unfolds. The pardon is the “end game.” Will he? I say, “NO!” and I told you why.
There’s a whole lot of propanganda coming from our government and the Israeli government right now.
West chooses Fatah, but Palestinians don’t
They prefer Hamas, which represents an alternative to Fatah’s acceptance of the Israeli occupation.
There is a reason the people threw out Abbas’ Fatah party in last year’s election. Palestinians see the leading Fatah politicians as unimaginative, self-serving and corrupt, satisfied with the emoluments of power.
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..commentary
TiredFed — I just checked a couple of minutes ago and found nothing yet as well. I think the tip that I got that it would take a while because they don’t allow electronic filing was correct. We may not get anything until tomorrow if they have to scan everything in from the clerk’s office. But good to know I wasn’t the only one who hasn’t seen them pop up yet. ;-)
newtonusr @ 82
Richard Cohen is why I read very few opinion pieces, Frank Rich and Paul Krugman are the only ones I read at this point. I had to read Cohen several times to try to understand why it’s important to lie and I still never understood his reasoning.
{{{Jane}}}
{{{Christy}}}
{{{FDL}}}
Sounds fantastic. Thank you so much for prompt delivery of msg & all the commenters.
Will catch up ASAP.;->
Christy, did you get my email or did I send it to another ReddHedd who is now saying what??
newtonusr @ 82
she was merciless
Totally OT but I know a lot of people at the lake are interested in this subject:
British Researchers May Have Found Key Protein Mutations Producing Autism.
If this pans out, we can perhaps not only prevent future autistic children but also help existing patients.
Eureka Springs @ 83
Meanwhile we can dream and speculate to our hearts content awaiting the July world wide concert and October’s Nobel Peace Prize award. IIRC the honorable Al Gore received more votes for President than any former candidate and that fact alone keeps me optimistic.
Elliott @ 95
“marcy the merciless”
doesn’t quite fit our marcy but it does have a nice ring never the less
Eureka Springs @ 47
Thank you, ES. She’s really therapeutic to listen to, for me.
perris @ 98
Elliott @ 95
I previously submitted “Marcy, beacoup.”
Alfred Kelgarries @ 87
Alfred, you are a prince. will send them as soon as I get them.
TeddySanFran @ 88
I have to admit it impressed me, too. I called Edwards’ campaign multiple times with the same question over several days and never got a call back.
JPL at 94 — I’ll check to see — was tucking The Peanut into bed and then we had to get back up for the nightly “but momma, I want a glass of water” routine. *g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
and they probably went home already! will keep checking this evening and first thing manana (@ 8:30ish).
I just sent an e-mail to Countdown expressing my disappointment in Keith letting Craig Crawford spout his gibberish (the York line) about the booing of Hillary was because she had praised the troops.
We cannot let that type of lie stand unchallenged.
Christy: I sent you some money for highlighters :))
Liberal Heart said
707! What song?
Alfred at 96 — That looks fascinating! Thanks for the link on that…really intriguing stuff.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 103
gosh I miss that. nowadays, they are tucking me in.
perris @ 98
there’s a need at times, never more so than now, for “marcy the merciless”
TiredFed @ 109
recycled from Late Nite:
what is this tuckery?
ccmask @ 106
that reminds me. for those of you who have canceled your Washington Post or NY Times subscription, perhaps a like amount could find its way to FDL? I send a little every payday. I don’t miss it and it goes to a worthy cause.
TiredFed @ 109
I’m at the age where my friends are grandmothers and I’m threatening to buy my son’s girlfriend a ring if he doesn’t..
LOL punaise at 111. *g*
Yes, this evening was the full out momma has to lay in bed and read me three stories, and then I’ll get back up and have some water, and then demand another story and then…finally…it sounds like I may or may not be going to sleep routine from The Peanut. (knock wood)
TiredFed @ 101
(blushes) Actually, that was in my 485th life. Discovered power isn’t that much fun after all, have stayed a commoner ever since! :>
BTW, stuff is blowing up all over people! Here are some juicy links: (why, yes, I DID just start using Google Reader, why do you ask?)
Bill O Gives Chimpy Two Months to Sort Out Iraq, OR ELSE. (WTF Dept.)
Major Romney Fundraiser Hit With Child Molestation Allegations!
No 30…
punaise @ 111
would be appropriate for when Kassie is around. nice.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 108
My privilege. I HATE Autism. No Autistic kids or anything, I just hate the whole concept.
And I swear by all that’s holy, if that stinking anti-autism vaccine ends up causing it, I will set up a trust fund devoted to nailing the b*st*rds who marketed and approved it. (end rant)
OT
common heart medicine helps PTSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 114
Heh! I need to come over there sometime and tire her out but good so she’ll sleep for you.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 114
Ah, those were the days. I’d inevitably drift off into slumber as well, a short nap to fuel later night-owling.
perris @ 64
“Were the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national
security or more vital to public debate, or had the special
counsel failed to demonstrate the grand jury’s need for the
reporters’ evidence, I might have supported the motion to quash.
Because identifying appellants’ sources instead appears essential
to remedying a serious breach of public trust, I join in affirming
the district court’s orders compelling their testimony.”
Phoenix Woman @ 119
if it were me, I would be snoring already. always a hazard when you put a kid to bed.
Eureka Springs @ 107
Go to YouTube and search for Obama Girl.
FYI, new thread
must be a new thread going up.
Lew Koch upstairs
…and glass of water number two. Am gettingin my cardio going up and down our stairs to relieve small girl contrived thirstiness.
Breaking News! An epidemic of bear attacks has caused the Bear Level Threat to be raised to ORANGE-High!
———————————
Homeland Bear Security System
Current Bear Threat Level-High
June 20, 2007 — The U.S. bear threat level is High, or Orange, for all domestic and international bears. Only small amounts of liquids, weenies and quail wings allowed in feeding bears.
See the Transportation Bear Security Administration (TBSA) website for up-to-date information on items permitted and prohibited with bears.
Recommended Activities
* All Americans should continue to be vigilant, take notice of their surroundings, and report suspicious bears to local authorities immediately.
* Everyone should establish an emergency bear preparedness kit and emergency bear plan for themselves and their family, and stay informed about what to do during a bear emergency.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 127
she just wants you *s*
Christy and TiredFed –
If you haven’t already done so, you might want to bookmark this: http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/b…..inions.asp
Christy Hardin Smith @ 114
Heh. How long ago that already seems, but it was yesterday, too. The nine-year-old has been over-stimulated by his week at basketball camp, can’t get to sleep until after 11 each night (usually hits the hay before 9pm). I thought he’d outgrown this years ago, but he’s apparently going through a stage.
Put it on the calendar, CHS, you’ll be this way again.
In the mean time, may I suggest ratcheting up the level of the books. I found if I read my kids something that was just out of their reach, they dozed off faster. That has a limit, too, though; read them Collapse by Jared Diamond last year, working on Dava Sobel’s Planets this year so far, might have to move to Brian Greene’s Fabric of the Cosmos next…pretty bad when you have to move beyond string theory to lull them to sleep.
oh, Rayne, you are so funny!
newspaperbrat @ 66
By law Gen. Clark would not be able to become SecDef until 10 years after his retirement. There would still be lots of good jobs for him in a Dem. administration though.
Gore/Clark would be a winner, but as of now they are both on the sidelines looking on.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 130
yes, it would be lovely if they issued it here, but more likely to be posted to PACER. Opinions will show up here. Not sure of delay at AC level, though. thanks for the tip.
Rayne @ 131
so I guess you’ve already covered S. Hawking. raising physicists is hard work. lol (gently). I have an engineering student for a son – no idea where he got it. certainly not from me.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
I dunno the woman has guzzled a lot of Kool-Aid. These WingNut Bushists do not think like normal folk. Read ‘Conservatives without Concience’ by John Dean if you have not already.
Warning: It is a truly scary book.
As for the ‘wonderful’ Comstock….one can always hope she jumps that shark.
I have a great deal of difficulty understanding why people are wasting time and energy on this issue. Libby himself probably has little interest in the result of the appeal. I suppose he could luck out and cop a complete acquittal but since all judges have to live in the real post BushCo regime world eventually, realistically the chances of that result are slim to none.
We all know what going to happen here. The appeals process will be extended until late ‘08 whereupon Shrub’s gonna pardon him. Amerikans are unlikely to rise up and demand his incarceration in the meantime – the effort to ensure the Hilton girl was taught that money doesn’t equal power if you’re a ‘blonde’ (metaphorical blonde cliche that is; vacuous, self-absorbed and above all female) plumb tuckered them out. To the point where fighting for the incarceration of a person with real power is just too much for a body to bear.
Worrying about alla this is just like picking at a sore – distracting and ultimately destructive.
This fascination with ‘Fitz’ comes from the “That man is evil therefore anyone opposing him must be virtuous” school of thought which gets amerika into these messes everytime.
“Fitz” has managed to build up a national profile as a ‘good’ person without ever getting seriously offside with the ruling elite. He is an example of a great careerist, not a great man.
With skills like that who knows; he may even get to sing with The Supremes in his dotage.
A.Citizen
You should really consider reading the old FDL Book Salon post and thread anent John Dean and the very book you mentioned..
One of the best salons evah!
(Will look for a link and post it here if I can find it)
John Dean at FDL here, enjoy.
Eureka Springs @ 138
Don’t want to step on your toes but it’s right here
Great minds think alike Eureka ;-)
edit: you beat me anyway lol ;-)
Ure Kismet at 137 — By golly, you’re right. Instead of being an actively involved, inquisitive citizen who believes in the rule of law and wants to see justice served, instead I should just lay back, take whatever the government hands me, not ask any questions, lie down and think of England.
Because — golly! I never thought of it this way — the incredibly scrupulous media would have picked up the fact that Dick Cheney was the one who told Scooter Libby that Plame worked for the CIA in a position at the Directorate of Operations. And that Karl Rove spoke with not one but two journalists about her. And that the White House Iraq Group was intimately involved in pushback against the criticism that Amb. Wilson made against the Administration. And…oh, wait a minute…that was actually Jane and I and a number of other very astute bloggers (like emptywheel and Swopa and Jeralyn and eRiposte and…) who dug that out. eRiposte’s work alone on the Niger documents may be a Ph.D. thesis one of these days.
Guess you’ll have to try that “give it up, being an actively involved citizen is a useless pastime” bit with someone who doesn’t give a shit about her country. Sorry.
hope the past is not prologue (Tatel loses). these 3 have had disagreements before. Tatel lost this one 2-1. but then, subsequent decisions in other circuits have upheld Tatel. not a good sign though.
Kismet Ure at 137. You are totally wrong. The Libby Case is a “linchpin” connecting most of these perverted war mongers. Obviously Libby is the Fall Guy for…take your pick of suspects. The legal stuff might be boring but Judge Reggie seems to follow the rules at least.
The most important issues remain, why was Valerie Plame “fair game”? Was she investigating the Niger Forgeries. How these Forgeries helped start a war.
article on the 3 amigos hearing arguments on reporters privilege in Plame case in December 2004 (3 amigos)
“Judge David B. Tatel, who heard the case along with Judge David B. Sentelle and Judge Karen L. Henderson, said, “It seems to me the argument for a qualified privilege is more powerful here than in Jaffee .”
Sentelle seemed concerned that a reporters’ privilege could be invoked by too many people. “You want us to come out with a privilege from grand jury testimony for anybody who wants to take three minutes to set up a blog?” he asked Abrams.”
john in sacramento @ 140
Thanks for the help folks. I did read that when it was posted. My reference this book was a shorthand way of injecting into the Comstock discussion the simple fact that WingNuts are just plain iinsane and will not neccessarily act in a coherent or rational manner.
The circumstances of Starr’s appointment as Special Counsel were extremely dubious. Among other things there is some evidence that Sentelle engaged in improper discussions concerning the appointment with Senators Jesse Helms and Lauch Faircloth, both pretty much as crazy as they come.
So, no, I wouldn’t view this as a good selection from the point of view of seeing justice served. It will turn on Henderson.
OT and EPU’d from an earlier thread about the Cohen article. Here’s what I finally had a chance to Post to the Post:
Not having had a chance to read all the comments, I plead a bit of ignorance about whether my thought is original. With that proviso, let me say that this column by Cohen is absurd to the point of either idiocy or prostitution. Libby was a knowing part of a plot to make political hay. He and his co-conspirators were willing (or illegally insensitive) to trash a covert intelligence network whose mission was to help us understand the threat of WMD. This occurred in what the President described as a time of war. That’s treason; and whether or not it violated the IIPA, it may well have violated the Espionage Act. It certainly constituted an underlying crime. He lied to prosecutors and a grand jury to throw them off the scent. He was caught. His lies prevented other prosecutions (which was, after all, the intent of his lies.) Even if there had not been an underlying crime (which there certainly was) obstruction of justice can prevent the discovery of underlying crimes and is therefore itself a serious crime deserving of punishment for its own sake and as a deterrent. If GW Bush’s cronies who were indicted during Iran-Contra been incarcerated and disbarred as they deserved, we might have 3,500 live men and 3,500 whole families and tens of thousands of intact bodies and psyches hundreds of billions of dollars available for worthwhile causes. But apologists like Richard Cohen banded together and made it possible for the malefactors to get off scott free and gain entry to another administration to do their evil. Richard: I hope your blood money buys you some good stuff. (walks away spitting on the ground)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
Us common folk can’t BUY this kinda deep insight and hope.
Thanks so much CHS, for all you post.
When FDL does this kind of blogging, everyone wins . . . even the masses.
Information is power, and you can’t get this kind of info elsewhere . . .
Gotta respectfully disagree with Christy that this is a good draw for Fitz on this issue. While Tatel is a liberal, Sentelle and Henderson tend conservative. Their prior ruling on the journalist privilege issue was evidence of hostility to the press, not any animus to Scooter or love for what Fitz is doing. I’d put odds in favor of a release at 5-4.
Just a question, please don’t shoot me. Why is everyone always so amazed that the rules apply differently between the working class and the “GODS”?
Well, this seems like generally good news. At least no Silberman.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
I would love if we could get an entry or two breaking down this issue. It is still very confusing to me!
Christy: Late to the party, but no, you can’t pull anything but court orders and opinions off of the D.C. Circuit PACER. The federal circuits will one day move up to electronic filing of motions, briefs, etc. but they’re not there yet.
Libby’s motion is up an his appellate lawyer’s website.