One of the real attractions to joining the Dreams Across America train, for me at least, was that I would get to see so much of the country up close. When nearly all of your travel is done by air, you see America from a distance (if you even bother to look out your window).
But when you do it by land — train, bus, car, or bike — you really get to see it. I intend someday to cross the country by bike, though I haven’t much desire to do the bus or car thing. But a train? That always sounded very cool to me.
And it has been. But what’s turned out to be even more special about this trip is the fact that I’ve been traveling with a train full of immigrants from all walks of life from all over the nation.
If America is as much its people as its landscape, I’ve seen America up close and personal both ways on this trip. And it has been an amazing thing.
The group of immigrants and their advocates that has gathered for this tour is incredibly diverse. They range from Native Americans to Caucasian housewives to African-American teachers to Germans and Italians and Poles to Pakistani and Korean mothers to Iraqi soccer players to Salvadoran refugees to, yes, Mexicans.
The one thing they all have in common is an enormous strength of character and an idealistic belief in the American Dream. They are, really, America at its strongest and finest.
Take, for example, Mike Wilson. He is a member of the Tohono O’Odham Nation, a tribe whose reservation is located in the Sonoran desert on the Arizona-Mexico border. Wilson of course is not an immigrant in the least, but he is a fierce advocate for them, particularly for defending the humanity of the border crossers, who have been dying in ungodly numbers on his tribe’s land. As a leader of Humane Borders, he makes it his business to set out water, food, and aid supplies in the desert to help save the lives of the crossers. In person, he’s quiet and yet powerful, and you can tell that his convictions are backed up by sobering real-life experience.
Or there’s Cathy Gurney, the Sacramento woman who tells her story in video here. Gurney operates a landscaping business that relies almost entirely on Latino labor; as I’ve mentioned, Gurney makes a powerful case that her business would not survive without that labor, not merely because it’s work that white Americans won’t do, but also because of the incredible work ethic that Latinos bring to the table. Gurney is bright and vivacious, a lifelong Republican, and absolutely adamant about the importance of recognizing Latino laborers as the formidable component of the nation’s economic engine.
There’s Hee Pok Kim, also known as “Grandma Kim,” an elderly Korean woman from Los Angeles (originally from Pyongyang) whose lack of English skills doesn’t keep her from communicating a real warmth and intelligence, as well as her fierce determination in helping to change the nation’s immigration laws — not for herself, but for her children and family and others like her, who have to jump through so many hoops to become “legal” immigrants that it’s no wonder they eventually give up.
Or Samina Faheem Sundas, a middle-aged Muslim woman from Pakistan who runs American Muslim Voice. Samina’s passion to fix the broken immigration system runs so deep that she gave up her job with a preschool-education foundation in order to make the trip. Or Doris Castaneda, an elderly woman from Guatemala who came along to try to change the laws for the sake of her children and grandchildren. Two of them — a pair of beautiful little girls named Ashley and Desiree — accompanied her on the trip to help make that point.
The list, really, goes on and on: Robert Guajardo, a bearded, very Caucasian-looking fiftyish man of Spanish lineage who emigrated here from Mexico. Jules Boyele, who came here from the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Virginia Franklin, an African-American educator from Los Angeles who came along to help fight for the Dream Act, which aims to eliminate the provisions of federal law that harms the education of immigrant children. Father Giovanni Bizzotto, an Italian priest who spent 10 years in Mexico before relocating to California. Tonio Antonioni, a former soccer player from Iraq who fled Saddam Hussein’s tyranny and whose wife remains in limbo in what he calls “the worst country in the world.”
And on and on: Brian Bautista, a sergeant in the Marine Reserves who found his path to citizenship through a tour of duty in Iraq. Fermin Vasquez, a onetime undocumented student who fled a political nightmare in El Salvador to try to find peace and a new home in America. Gabriella Thomas, a blonde German woman who emigrated here in 1969.
Or Hang D. Youk, a Korean man who arrived in Houston in 1998 to join his family and found himself in limbo after his father, a legal immigrant, was killed in a robbery. Wynona Spears, a formerly undocumented emigrant from Belize whose love of jazz led her to dream of a better life, and whose son served two tours of duty in Iraq.
These people are the true face of America in the 21sty century: some white, some black, some Asian, some Latino, whatever — you name the location on the planet, and there are Americans from there.
It might be easy to shrug them off, along with their stories, with the simplistic perspective of the nativists: “Well, these are all legal immigrants, and the problem we have is with illegal immigrants.” But it is of course not that simple. Many of these now-legal immigrants were themselves “illegal” at one time or another in their journeys toward their dreams.
Moreover, as Nathan Thornburgh recently pointed out in his remarkable cover piece for Time on the amnesty issue, it’s not logical to expect there not to be law-breaking when the law is onerous to the point of Kafkaesque absurdity:
- If people are frustrated, as they should be, by the fact that some eligible immigrants have been waiting for citizenship for as many as 28 years, then by all means, fix that problem. Streamline the process for legal immigration. But don’t blame that red-tape nightmare on the millions of low-wage illegals already here, who form a very different (and vastly more populous) group.
A century ago, the face of America was decidedly white. But two centuries before that, it was primarily Indian. The world changes and shifts, demographics with it.
What America has always been about is our shared values — a love of freedom and a respect for others’ freedoms, our willingness to work hard, our desire to raise our families in a safe and healthy place, and our wish to pass all that on to our children and their children.
For most of the past century — since the passage of the Immigration Act of 1924, which codified the racist desire to keep out people who were not white (specifically, Chinese and Japanese) — our immigration laws have been predicated on the desire to keep people out, because we believed their skin color and nationality mattered more than their values. As the Dreamers and their stories make clear, it is time to find a way to welcome those who are, inside, truly American.
When that happens, we finally will begin living up to our own great ideal: the American dream.
Related posts:
- GRITtv Live: Is Immigration Reform Dead?
- Before the Mountains: Sotomayor and Sitting Bull in America
- At Texas Tea Party, Joe The Plumber Recommends Forced Deportation of Immigrants
- My Name is Herta and I’m About to be Deported
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Jill Richardson, Recipe for America: Why Our Food System is Broken and What We Can Do to Fix It





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Bada bingo
Ha, ha. I figured it out.
Welcome back, David! And thank you for all of your posts this week!
dos?
You know, good people are good people. These illegal immigrants are not torturers like our leaders are. I’d rather live with them to tell you the truth. Send the torturers away from our shores.
question – why would native – americans be on an immigrant train?????????
juslin @ 6
Perhaps because a ton of people coming over the border are native Mexicans, native Guatemalans, etc.
Phoenix Woman @ 134
I like this thread too, PW!!!
Just for the record, in answer to your questions above. I like them all. I want the torturers gone and locked up – disgraced forever.
LS @ 8
How in the world did this get EPU’d like that? Oh well, carry on.
if they are NATIVE americans – i dont quite understand – the rest uh yahh but not the native – americans – yes i’m dense at times
O/T & perhaps covered in the previous thread. Just saw a banner on cnn.com — Bloomberg has changed his party identification from GOP to unaffiliated. Looks like Unity 08 may have a candidate.
OT: CNN — just showed TBA, scanning audience, I just saw siun, blogging away. Candi Crowley reporting.
juslin @ 6
Maybe they like the new immigrants better than the old ones.
LS @ 13
Maybe because they are not part of the dominant culture.
Fine post, David. Thanks for introducing us to . . . who we are.
LS @ 13
Maybe becaue they recognize that the new immigrants are human beings deserving of treatment as human beings and not as racist talking points by all the slam the door types.
In an effort to win hearts and minds, the US military has begun a large operation called Arrowhead Ripper. It sounds like a caricature, something out of Dr. Strangelove. So I googled it and found this obituary of Jack Palance.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01862.html
Roles of Hollywood’s go to bad guy? Or cosmic karma? You decide.
Since we all emigrated from Africa, we are all immigrants. That fact should really cause distress with the fundies. Funny how Adam and Eve at the creation museum are white.
I still think Emma Lazarus said it best:
“Give me your tired, your poor. . . .”
I’d happily trade Karl Rove for any six immigrants, legal or otherwise. Odds are, they will be better Americans than he has been.
It is time to return some fire to the torch of the Statue of Liberty, and keep floodlights on the Lazarus quote 24/7/365.
Here’s what I would do with all undocumented aliens: As long as there are no legal charges pending against them, welcome them, and guide them into the process for becoming citizens. Deport them only if they refuse to clarify their legal status and act appropriately. And do so in such a way that does not tear families apart.
In fact, Democrats ought to organize welcoming parties. . . .
Maybe a copy of the Statue of Liberty should be erected in El Paso. And an extra-large facility built there especially designed to facilitate immigrants becoming legal residents and begin their application for citizenship, if they want to stay.
Bob in HI
OT (sorry David) Tweety has Chuck todd and Howard Fineman analyzing bloomberg announcement.
Todd thinks if Bloomberg running for president, he will have to name cabinet early in process and name viable VP (unlike Perot).
Fineman remarks that Bloomberg in DC last week and had very conspicuous dinner with Hagel. Wonders if Bloomberg adopting Hagel positions on ME.
Steve @ 18
Like in that movie with Christopher Walkin, when Dennis Hopper tell him if he’s from Sicily, he’s really from Africa…pow.
Tweety comes back and is saying “we’re all actors here putting on shit…uh…” then realizes they’ve come back and goes right to a tape about Bloomberg as mayor riding subway…LOL
The time is coming for this country to turn colorblind, the end of the old white men( of which I am rapidly becoming) is nearing as they die off.
It is already happening in our younger generation.
Kids today are much quicker to integrate with each other, race and skin color do not matter to them as it did just a few decades ago.
I am glad too, we have better things to do in this country and Lord knows we need all the helping hands we can get.
Hugh @ 17
They couldn’t have left out his role in Shane could they? From Imdb:
Guess I should have hit the linnk first, the picture is from Shane and the write-up is there.
MSNBC reporter just said, “We in the terrorism business”…What???
juslin @ 6
My take on it is that the Native American was along not because he identified *as* an immigrant, but because he sympathized/empathized *with* them– maybe for the same reasons that David Neiwert was there.
Besides, he is Tohono O’dham, meaning that he probably has relatives south of the border. To him, the “border” is an artificial thing imposed by strangers to their land. He feels more kinship with the people south of the border than he feels for the dominant white culture (”Anglos”) that draws the borderlines and imposes the rules.
Maybe Oklahoma Kiddo can elaborate.
Bob in HI
Tweety just apologized for saying something on the air. What did he say? “Things are breaking around here.”
dakine01 @ 22
Wow!! Ain’t that the truth!!! They’re losin’ it.
Chastened Tweety just apologized for “using that word” excuse being things are breaking and they’re trying to get it on air then goes to commercial…
Bob Schacht @ 26
In the 60’s they called it solidarity.
Loo Hoo. @ 27
What things are breaking? Is Tweety throwing the china?
Poor Tweets has had a bad day
Loo Hoo. @ 27
See my #22…
MSNBC reporting that Bloomberg willing to spend $500M of his own money but won’t decide on run for President until AFTER the majors pick their candidates…
yes i get all that – just wondering…
They seem really threatened by Bloomberg! Must mean the Neocons (not the Repubs) have Giuliani crowned, and watch how they’ll tear him apart.
Bob Schacht @ 26
i think that’s right…especially the part about the way borders work in the dynamics of families and communities…
Tweety brings up John Lindsay as compare for BLoomberg then tosses it to Mark Halperin
tweety is flustered after being heckled earlier at the TBA conference – LMAO
raven @ 24
I like the line:
“It was always Palance’s role to be the dead guy in the final reel. He was the hero’s best friend, in a way. After you shot Palance dead, there wasn’t much left to do except walk into the sunset. You had gunned down Palance; you were the man.”
juslin @ 39
Often Tweety is on with the morning talk show host here in SF and never sounds like he does on TV. He is sane, quiet, and reasonable. It’s like 2 different people. He was on for an hour this morning.
Any one of us can become president if we change our affiliation! We’ll just spend $500 million to $1 billion of our own personal fortunes. What’s so hard about that?
Twain @ 41
Like he said, he’s an actor. They all are. They follow a character and a script.
LS @ 43
juslin @ 39
the thought of that does bring out the giggles
David, this is a really important post and you did a great job. I will read your links later. Thank you.
Elliott @ 45
Any video linky to tweety being heckled?
in tweety’s case he’s been seduced by the dark side…he was an aid and speechwriter for carter and also earlier was a peace corps volunteer – man has he taken a dive
If the lawn maintainance lady had to hire legal people, then all pay will go up slightly. If they truly don’t work as hard, but hard as reasonably to be expected, then the costs to the lawn-owner goes up. Either the lawn owner can afford it, or they need a smaller lawn ( lowering housing costs and providing more density which helps traffic/gas/balance of payments/GW ), or he does it himself, getting communion with Nature, exercise, and family bonding.
Is there anything wrong with any of that? So let the pay rise to American standards, whatever of them are left.
While Congress fights for $7.25 in a few years, the Salvadoreans at my corner labor market get $15! People are ready to pay $15!
OT from CNN – Giuliani SC aid on cocaine charges Treasurer of state campaign…
Tweety on his meltdown with Hillary. Asking if any answer she gave would be bad for her…
yeah on huff post – video
Loo Hoo. @ 46
Yup, and, heartening after reading PW’s earlier post.
newspaperbrat @ 47
C&L has it…
Spin, spin, spin….Tweety you sucketh!!!
Could this be that runaway train that, according to Richard ‘Lights Out’ Cohen in today’s Washington Post, just ran over Scooter Libby?
Fineman calls Hillary a cocky candidate in her response to Tweety.
newspaperbrat from C&L linkie
watching tweety and listening to sen boxer at the TBA conference
Years ago, I used to take the legendary “City of New Orleans” to and from college in Chicago (Northwestern University). Steve Goodman captured that train perfectly in his song of the same name, and this post brought all that back to me.
What a way to meet folks — of all different kinds.
Good morning, America, how are you
Don’t you know me, I’m your native son
I’m the train they call The City of New Orleans
I’ll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done
Thanks, David! What America looks like, indeed.
Latest FaBlog: Fait Divers — President Google
chuck todd trying to soothe tweety’s ruffled feathers…. lol
juslin @ 51
7m40, u wanna fight!
Fineman and Tweety were trying to take Hillary down for not answering and Halperin and Todd pointed out NO one, including all the Rs, is answering the question then it went to how Hillary is improving as a candidate and picking up Bill’s skillz in reading the audience.
I think HRC handled the Libby pardon question perfectly.
LS @ 64
And made Tweety look like an a** in doing so. Not that he needs much help in that…
juslin @ 6
Because as David said, the Tohono O’odham reservation runs along the Arizona-Sonora border. Thousands of undocumented workers come across the border on the Rez. Much of “the fence” people keep talking about would have be built on reservation land, and no one’s very happy about that idea. Also, there’s the fact that the border artificially divides land held by both the Tohono O’odham and the Yaqui as independant nations.
Immigration law is very relevant to the tribes of the southwest.
Fineman’s afraid that after the debate and now her playing the audience against Tweety, that this is her new signature.
I think we’re seeing a Hillary we haven’t seen before.
OT
Teevo note
tonight CSPAN 3 re-running Rumsfeld v Congress
[I don’t know when this hearing took place]
HISTORY ON C-SPAN 3
Investigating Abu Ghraib Prison
This week a news article alleges a cover-up on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse situation extending all the way to fmr. Defense Sec. Donald Rumsfeld. Tonight we present congressional hearings with Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers. Also, Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba testifies on the subject.
TUES., C-SPAN3, 8 PM ET
and don’t forget PBS FRONTLINE of Iraq tonight: ENDGAME
I am tempted to get into this Native American and the train trip business. Perhaps I should not though. ;0)
LS @ 64
I think she should have taken it one step further. After saying “She [the audience member who heckled Tweety] wants a question about this audience” She should have then added “The Scooter Libby question is about this audience. This is about the DC elite possibly avoiding jail. It’s about two systems of justice in this country. If anyone in this audience was convicted of 4 felonies, they’d be spending a lot mmore time than 30 months; without the possibility of a pardon.”
dakine01 @ 57
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((((((((((dakine01))))))))))
Sorry no free pass for HC from this firepup.
She needs to answer the question. No pardon, next question. IMO.
Helen @ 70
He would have jumped her immediately on Mark Rich (who Libby represented) and on Bill’s “is”.
Helen @ 70
I agree with that.
Boy, they are just punishing her…but, remember, Tweety just admitted he’s an actor, so who cares.
KO up.
I thought Clinton did quite well dealing with Matthews and the Libby question. And I resent the way Matthews tried to blame the Senator for his pouting and tantrum episode.
LS @ 73
Well, she’s probably gonna have to face that question eventually. I admit to being stunningly nieve about Presidential politics, but this could have been her chance to distance herself a bit from Bill (provided she wants to do that)especially on these types of issues.
There was a piece in the NYT a few months back, discussing how the border is an artificial imposition on Native lands that were there long before the definition of modern states. Native territory crosses the northern border, too.
Ko’s gonna have a show like FDL had a day….what a day!!! I still go back to hear the music!
this is going to sound shitty, i truly don’t mean it that way, but each time as i wrote it, it came out the same way, so………i still want to know what the point of this trip is, and still, haven’t heard what the point of this train trip is.
well, thanks, david, your last post was not very informative. sorry,but it wasn’t……it was whining, and though it sounded like a rough train trip, inconvenienced and all, we want to hear about the point of the trip, wait, what is the point of the trip, still haven’t heard it….i wait on reports and you didn’t report.
are you able to answer our questions about what was it that deported janina?
is the landscaper contractor on the train paying a living wage to the immigrants she employs?
deja vu, i asked you these questions before. i really would finally like an answer to them.
i am not an in=your=face kind of person. nor am i a challenging one, but these are things that i question.
what is the purpose of the dream of the america train?
and the answers to my two other questions-
why was janina deported, and landscaping contractor pay…….
that has not been stated either.
KO calling our Ghouliani for not showing up to the Iraq Study Group meetings.
if only i could get behind this bunch but not so far….waiting and hoping feingold will come in at some point even tho i know he said he’s not running……:(
LS @ 80
you should bookmark it, I did.
Helen @ 78
That would work if they weren’t married, but I’d rather she avoid something like that at any cost rather than risk any opening for the Neocons to pounce. I’m not worried about the Repubs, I’m worried about Bush Plus. The Neocons are gunning to stay in power one way or the other. This is not really about Dem vs Repub, it is about Neocon vs Humanity.
Elliott @ 84
I will!
Keith doesn’t like the Celine Dion song. Outsourcing…
Hugh @ 40
From Attack, 1956Costa (Palance): Listen to me, Cooney (a chickenshit Eddie Albert)! If you put me and my men in a wringer – -if you send us out there and let us hang – -I swear, I swear by all that’s holy, I’ll come back. I’ll come back and take this grenade and shove it down your throat and pull the pin!
This administration lied when they said they don’t torture.
and please everyone go listen to this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y8a91Hrv1usit’s on wgg tokinlibrul;s woody guthrie site.
everybody’s cryin’ mercy, bonnie raitt……remember havin’ that on lp?
that’s where my heart resides.
all i’m sayin david is, give us some facts to work with…….my 81 asks you……….
i have nothing to work with if i don’t know why janina was deported, i have nothing to work with if it don’t know if cathy gurney is paying a living wage.
i have nothing to work with if it don’t know what the point of this train trip is.
OT – Bill O’Stupid fighting with Howard Kurtz. Bill O doesn’t think that we realy should be reporting about casualties in Iraq. “Why are we reporting this?” Re: dead children in Iraq “In war this happens” He is incredulous that “NBC makes a big deal out of this.”
Yeesh
dmac @ 81
Here’s your answer
Talking Heads
dmac @ 90
Written and done incredibly by Mose Allison.
Congress should not give this man one iota of respect. They are giving respect to an advocate of torture. Despicable.
Turley on signing statements:
There are people in government who will be here longer than Bush, and will not follow him down the path.
This president has been reversed in courts across this country.
The Constitution is not subject to interpretation. He cannot rewrite it.
Bush has contempt for separation of powers.
Congress need to be more specific in the bills they write so there is no ambiguity.
Congress needs to get tough, withhold funds and confirmations.
Bush can veto bills, not just rewrite them. Bush has “grown addicted” to signing systems.
He does not have a role of amending legislation.
And while we’re at it Your Mind is on Vacation and Your Mouth is Workin Overtime
Peterr @ 59
This would have been a pretty good top song for this post!
Bob in HI
Bush has grandiose delusions of being a dictator. These “signing statements” are a great example of this. Pack the Supreme and the Federal Courts, rewrite laws and take us into wars based upon lies. Seems a bit dictatorial to me.
Bob Schacht @ 97
Having been in Champaign-Urbana from 69-84 I rode that baby quite a few times!
11/7 changed everything for little boots.
David Niewert, Part of my American Dream is to have alotta money. Should I just go rob a bank? I know it’s illegal and all but maybe I’ll be lucky and not get caught. If I do get caught, eventually, do you think that if I tell the judge I used the money to better myself and feed my family that he will just pardon me, give me a small fine, and put me on probation a few years? No, I did’nt think so.
KO’s on it!! He’s going to have Karpinski on tomorrow. Keep the torture issue alive this time.
Damn torturers!!!
Worst thing about Amtrak is they are always late. Don’t ever get dropped off at a station without a bathroom (Delray Beach, Florida). The train Iused to put my mom on was always 5 to 10 hours late, for a two hour trip. Never again. Depends.
This guy Bloomberg just might pull it off. So many people are so fed up with both political parties.
now scheduled for 8:38 on c-span, delayed showing of today’s senate intelligence committee hearing on the nomination of john rizzo.
via mc, think progress has a clip.
ccmask @ 102
I took it from Champaign to New Orleans and it was the end of spring break at SIU and Jackson State. We stood up all the way to Jackson but thank god I drank in those days!
loohoo at 87 says:
Keith doesn’t like the Celine Dion song. Outsourcing…
=========
that was funny, girl.
For my cousins in Dallas-Fort Worth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..4&NR=1
selise @ 105
thanks for the link, selise!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
Damn SRV, 17 years can you believe it?
raven @ 96
With all due respect to you Raven, because of your vast contributions to this site which I absolutely adore and have come to rely upon for your’s and other’s knowledge, I must say that a response to anyone’s question with a link to a you tube link is frustrating. You are by no means the only person who does this.
I CANT (sorry for yelling) get to you tube! Were I to try to ,if my phone line would not go into “la la” land, it would take forever to download. By the time I did, there would be two new threads. I have no choice but to connect to the internet via modem. Connecting to a you tube video is out of the question.
Please do be so kind as to tell the many of us out there what the hell it is all about when you post a you tube link. Otherwise, we are cut off from the conversation.
Pardon me for the rant. Continue with your regularly scheduled program.
raven, yes, mose allison came here and conquered………….
and bonnie did him proud.
I agree with Sixty Something.. folks ought to at least consider naming the song when linking a youtube… Just my 3 cents for inflation..)
Sixty Something @ 110
Well, excuuuuuuuuse me! Really, I apologize, I didn’t take connectile dysfunction into account.
You’re quoting figures, you’re dropping names
You’re telling stories, you’re playing games
You always laugh when things ain’t funny
You try to sound like you don’t need money
If talk was criminal, you’d lead a life of crime
Cause your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime
You know that life is short and talk is cheap
Don’t make promises that you can’t keep
If you don’t like the song I’m singing, just grin and bear it
All I can say is if the shoe fits wear it
If you must keep talking please can you make it rhyme
Cause your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime
Cause your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime
Cause your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime
(Transcribed by ear; corrections requested and welcomed!
And I love Mose.. doesn’t he live in New Orleans?
Bonnie Raitt is a goddess…)
Ghost Dance – Bill Miller:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdg2sVB0XU8
and raven, heartfelt hugs and salutations to you because,
ireally do want to know what janina’s hangups about deportation were and what cathy’s landscaping hirings were paid………where the hell is david?????????????????????????????????
weeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllll????????????????????????
if you’re gonna make a post, then be here to ansewer for it.
unless you have the flu. and those things that go with it.
otherwise, this is the third time i have posted my questions with no answer in return.
I don’t believe the things I’m seein’
I’ve been wonderin’ ’bout some things I’ve heard
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t know the meaning of the word
A bad enough situation
Is sure enough getting worse
Everybody’s crying justice
Just as soon as there’s business first
Toe to toe, touch and go
Give a cheer and get your own souvenir
Well you know the people running round in circles
Don’t know what they’re headed for
Everybody’s crying peace on earth
Just as soon as we win this war
Straight ahead, gotta knock em dead
So pack your kit, choose your own hypocrite
You don’t have to go to off-broadway
To see something plain absurd
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t know the meaning of the word
Nobody knows the meaning of the word
Neil Bortz silver tonight for calling for double fence on border –
Fred Thompson WPITW for criticizing Reid for criticizing pace AND criticized the audience “fringe bloggers”.
dmac: While you’re on the subject, left you a response last thread :))
Those bad ole bloggers.
Elliott @ 109
selise, thanks again. You got a shout out on late night for all of your work and sharing.
Sixty Something @ 111
My link @ 97 to youtube was a recording of Arlo Guthries City of N.O. with photos of the Illinois Central. But all external shots– none of the people inside. Still conveys some of the romance of going by train.
I guess I must be an old retard: I love trains, steamboats and ferrys. One reason is that they’re big enough to get up and walk around in while you travel. Plus you get all the scenery of the country, in a lot of detail. But they are not a mode of transportation for those who are in a hurry, or worried about making connections.
Bob in HI
You can read these lyrics but do yourself a favor and get ya some Mose. He wrote Parchman Farm and Young Man Blues (made popular by the Who) but the all time great is “Your Molecular Structure”.
Bob Schacht @ 122
Take a lot of train trips there in paradise Doc?
sixty something, i get your rant.
i am on dial up, insinuating vtube comments are left on their own for the you tube viewers to interpret………..we who can’t are left to fill in the blanks when you link without explanation of what the link is……
some of us are still on dialup……….a narrative sentence would be appreciated since we can’t ‘go there’
sixty-something, will that do?
Wow. Is it hot out there or what? It is hot here.
Native Americans on the train: Ironic. maybe.
Mose Allison, never seen him, but yeah.
Loo Hoo. @ 121 and Elliott @ 109 –
you’re very welcome, and thank you.
i’m recording the audio of the rizzo hearing, and if all goes well, will post it for downloading.
Connectile dysfunction.
selise @ 127
Unfair to dialupers!
raven @ 125
No, but we might yet get a light rail system.
Last train I took was Flagstaff – Albuquerque round trip. Got a nice view of SW scenery.
Bob in HI
They’ve announced a winner to the video contest Demetrius entered. (He got first runner up.)
raven;
just saw your posting of cryin’ mercy
oh my, thank you, my favorite.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y8a91Hrv1us
dmac @ 117
dmac, here is the URL for the train David’s been talking about. Maybe it can answer some of your question.
http://dreamsacrossamericaonline.org
Renee in Ohio @ 132
Before I look at the winner, I will state for the record that it had to be pretty damn good to be your hubby’s version. I liked the psychedelics myself…
Quoth the Raven, “Well, excuuuuuuuuse me! Really, I apologize, I didn’t take connectile dysfunction into account.”
Laughing. Never thought of it as connectile disfunction, but that is exactly what it is! Whatever it is, it is incurable for me, until the powers that be who decide such things decide that I can have a high speed internet connection in my location.
Here’s hoping you took my ribbing in the good nature that it was intended.
Meanwhile, just tell those of us on the other side of the divide what the you tube says. It would be much appreciated.
Just to give you an idea of what I deal with, my modem disconnected and reconnected 4 times while I was writing this response.
I love trains. What a great history. The Orange Blossom Special, Cannonball, etc. The farmers and miners could tell which train was coming by the sound of the whistle, and made up the songs to the beat of the train by the variations of the chug-a chug-a chug-a. Hopefully, I get to do a train vacation one day.
raven @ 129
raven,
i’m sorry! would it help for me to post a very compressed version? or is there something else i could do?
:(
dmac @ 132
Peace out ya’ll, gettin late for an old man in the East.
Sixty Something @ 135
Totally cool.
bob, i remember being a child and not knowing what to do with the pointy water cups on the train…..couldn’t set them down.
Eli’s up everybody:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..gressives/
Loo Hoo. @ 137
When I was a kid we lived in a little farming and railroad community of about 300 (until I was 10), then we moved into the “city” with a pop of just over 5K. The L&N went right through the center of both places. We used to set pennies on the track then try to find them after the train had flattened ‘em out. Simple but good times for a country boy.
LS @ 116
Some of my folks came here on the trail of tears from back east long ago. Some did not make it to Oklahoma. We still hear and tell those stories. Thanks for the Miller thing. ;0)
And FYI, Arlo Guthrie’s “City of New Orleans” is one of my all time favorite songs.
Best train story for me is the story of the first NYC subway, dug out in the cellar of Devlin’s clothing store on Warren Street by Alfred Beach, in 1868. His invention was shown at a fair but it was turned down so he decided to build it without telling anyone…him and his cousins bringing out pail after pail of dirt while the city slept……until the NYT blew his cover. It was refound in 1912 when they were digging out was was supposedly the first NYC subway. A short story about it here….
For Sixty Something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQX572xKi4
seamus-
thank you………i’m on dial up and don’t go searching unless i have a solid grip on what i’m askin’………
lthough my unanswered questions still go unanswered.
i will be back when david is back to answer them.
Thanks OK. Just so you know it took me roughly 6-7 minutes to download one minute of that 4 minute,11 second song.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 144
I was thinking of you.
dmac:
Sorry, whoever you are, but I don’t do a lot of commenting because I expect the posts to speak for themselves. Moreover, I’ve been on an extended road trip for 10 days with limited connectivity and can’t comment a lot.
Here are the details on Tony and Janina. Bottom line: She’s being deported because an immigration judge (if you’ve ever dealt with these judges, you would know that they can be nasty, tyrannical and answerable to hardly anyone) decided she wasn’t worthy of the asylum a normal person would agree she deserves; moreover, she played by the rules each step of the way and got screwed. Happens a lot in this universe.
Cathy’s white hirelings were paid standard industrial wage. The problem isn’t the wage she offered; the problem is the work ethic of spoiled whites who haven’t the stamina to do this kind of work. The whites she hired weren’t unhappy with the pay — they just didn’t want to work that hard all day.
I know something about this. When I was in high school, I worked on potato farms in southern Idaho hauling pipe. It taught me how to work, really work, and it was a valuable experience for me. But as a crew, we were unreliable (some of the guys showed up only half the time) and whiny and frankly, we didn’t do a very good job. Two years later (this was in 1976) I went back to visit my old boss at the farm and found that he no longer hired white teenagers; he had a crew of Mexican immigrants who worked their asses off, did a great job, never bitched, and were paid the same crappy wage ($1.25 a line, which consisted of 25 pieces of 40-foot irrigation pipe assembled in a row) as we got. I’m quite certain he still employs such immigrants.
Finally, I don’t write to answer every question that gets thrown my way because, like a lot of folks, I have limited time and capability to answer. That was especially the case this week, when I was trying to post using cellular uplinks on a mobile train that utterly vanished over extended periods of the trip, leaving me precious little time to even read the comments, let alone post.
Frankly, I deeply resent your petulance about my time and energy. Even at home, I have limited time and ability to answer everyone who comes along. This kind of demanding, self-centered shit is one of the reasons I pulled back on the frequency of my blogging.
Grew up with the railroad,
It is part of my earliest memories…
So glad you doing this and wish the best for:
“All Aboard!”…
Beautiful.
Lou Dobbs is really insane. What he’s saying now about the Catholic church is . . . In the area I live in CT, it is long-held tradition that the Catholic church will bring people in from troubled countries. They become valuable citizens. It is the Republikans and Lou Dobbs who are breaking with tradition.