LS @ 59

When this subject is brought up to the torture supporters, they always counter with the, “Well, what if they have a nuclear bomb that they are going to detonate in your city tomorrow, don’t you want to get the information????” bulldooty…

To which I reply, If they have a nuclear weapon in my town that they are going to use tomorrow, somebody f*cked up their jobs a hundred different ways to Sunday LONG BEFORE that weapon ever arrived my town, and torture isn’t going to fix those f*ckups.

Three points:

1) These are the same people who posted Saddam’s pre-Gulf War chemical recipes for nerve gas and shematics of nuclear bombs on the internet in Arabic. So much for the Republicans and WH wanting to stop terrorits from having nukes and other WMD’s.

2) These are the same folks that rationalize away the exposure of covert CIA agents and operations because they didn’t like what her husbnd siad about their bogus evidence for Iraq having a yellowcake Uranium trade with Niger.

3) In none of these cases is such a “Jack Bauer” threat so imminent or probable. A trained terrorist would likely use the “opportunity” of a torture session to actually provide false leads to distract investigators from the immediate threat or send them off on wild goose chases.

And in ALL these cases of torture there has been no imminent threat of such a nature. The torture has occurred long after the prisoners were involved in hostilities (so the info is going to be “cold”, many of the individuals were not even considered actual threats…and were later released from detention. Some weren’t even charged. Of course, the fact that they were tortured and it might be raised in trial may have been the rationale not to try them. But if they were truly dangerous…then why were they released?

We can only infer that this was becasue the Pentagon and CIA thought this risk was far less important than covering up the criminal acts of torture.

well, originally as part of the Thanksgiving trip where aWol brought the troops turkee there was also supposed to be another flight deck type scene at Abu Ghraib where aWol was going to do a speech under a “Under New Management” banner. wound up getting canceled at the last minute

Dude, you should come upstairs!

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I hope the G.W.Bush “presidential library” has a prominent display of these photos.

They surely will belong on display there.

The “library” should be a monument to the atrocities of Dubya and a warning to all future generations.

They must be put in jail or we will always feel we condoned it and we will be guilty forever.

War and Occupation in Iraq

June 2007

Executive Summary [Read] [French]

Map of Major Coalition Attacks, Bases and Prisons [See map]

Political Map of Iraq [See map]

1. Introduction

2. Destruction of Cultural Heritage

3. Indiscriminate and Especially Injurious Weapons

4. Unlawful Detention

5. Abuse and Torture of Prisoners

6. Attacks on Cities

7. Killing Civilians, Murder and Atrocities

8. Displacement and Mortality

9. Corruption, Fraud and Gross Malfeasance

10. Long-Term Bases and the New Embassy Compound

11. Other Issues

- Iraqi Public Opinion and the Occupation
- Cost of the War and Occupation

12. Conclusion and Recommendations

It’s all there…

http://www.globalpolicy.org/se…../index.htm

Sponsors:

Arab Commission for Human Rights • Center for Constitutional Rights • Center for Development of International Law • Code Pink • Council on International and Public Affairs • Fellowship of Reconciliation • Global Action on Aging • Global Exchange • Global Policy Forum • Hague Appeal for Peace • Instituto del Tercer Mundo • Institute for Policy Studies • International Center for Law in Development • International Women’s Tribune Center • Iraq Analysis Group • Jewish Voice for Peace • Lawyers’ Committee on Nuclear Policy • Mennonite Central Committee • Middle East Research & Information Project • Nuclear Age Peace Foundation • PLATFORM • Presbyterian United Nations Office • Protection of Human Rights Defenders in the Arab World • Social Watch • Tavola della Pace • Transnational Institute • United for Peace & Justice • United Methodist Church, General Board of Church and Society • US Labor Against the War • Weltwirtschaft, Ökologie & Entwicklung (WEED) • Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom

Nahory, Security Council Program Coordinator at Global Policy Forum and a co-author of the report, said: “Those that understate the violence of the occupation make U.S. forces look like the solution, when in fact they are a large part of the problem. Even polls by the U.S. and U.K. governments show a large majority of Iraqis want a speedy withdrawal of occupation forces.

“The UN Security Council should be looking into this crisis, but under pressure from Washington, the Council has done almost nothing so far. During the June 13 Council meeting on Iraq, most delegates made shockingly empty statements with no creative ideas. One exception was South Africa, whose delegate actually cited our report and used it as the basis for her remarks. The Security Council can’t keep its head in the sand much longer. It will have to do something about the huge humanitarian crisis and the worsening violence.

“The Council should end the mandate it has given to the U.S. Coalition. Only a speedy and complete withdrawal of the occupation can begin to bring peace and reconciliation to Iraq.”

The history is starting to be written, Congress. In which chapter will your names and your actions, or lack thereof, be recorded…?

http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0619-03.htm

United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 11: Invoke it NOW.

http://www.commongroundcommons…..wforum=266

I wish every concerned citizen would start sending our representatives articles & books on this subject. Maybe if we flood their offices with this information they will finally be moved to have an independent investigation into what has been done in our names.

I know it’s not much but at least we know that we did SOMETHING to try to hold these people accountable. Doing nothing is just not an option.

Here is an excerpt from the ACLU website:

Help restore our rights and bring habeas corpus back to its rightful place in the Constitution …

For nearly seven years, our core values of freedom and fairness have been eroded, from the suspension of habeas corpus and due process, to shameful acts of torture, CIA kidnappings and secret prison programs.

On June 26, 2007, join us in Washington, D.C. as we call on Congress to restore habeas corpus, fix the Military Commissions Act, and restore all our constitutional rights. We even have free buses leaving from many parts of the country… It’s easy to come!

Rally with us outside the Capitol, then help deliver our urgent message in person to Members of Congress.

https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=june_home