It’s been a while since we’ve corresponded, but I feel the need to, yet again, point out the obvious. As I wrote to you all the way back in October of 2005:
If you don’t know any actual prosecuting attorneys, let me help you out. For people who uphold the law as their vocation — and there are an awful lot of them in this country who take their jobs very seriously — putting people in jail for breaking the law, and seeking justice, is their job.
Sure, they are mean to the jerks who break the law. (btw, these people are called criminals.) These criminals may be poor, uneducated and even mentally unstable — and sometimes they are wealthy, highly educated and people you seem to want to continue to hang out with at cocktail parties.
Here’s a clue: the laws apply to EVERYONE, across the board, whether they are rich and powerful or poor and powerless. (You might want to read up on what Martha Stewart has been doing for the last year or so. Might be illuminating on this point.)
This goes for ALL the jerks who break ALL the laws, not just the laws you happen to have thought were important at the time you turned in your column….
Oh, and in case you were wondering how Judy Miller got caught up in all of this mess, we prosecutors like to call it “accessory” — as in potentially prosecutable along with all the other folks involved if she was aiding and abetting the conspiracy to commit a crime. Poor Judy, carried water for people breaking the law and got caught. How dare a prosecutor want to see her treated like every other living, breathing citizen in this country?!? (Okay, I’m not really outraged, but I was trying to appear empathetic to you here. How am I doing?)
Perhaps you journalists (if I can be so bold as to count you among them) ought to reconsider being human shields for people who use you to commit odious crimes, and then leave you to rot in jail because they are too craven to accept responsibility for what they have done.
Unfortunately the realization that the laws ought to apply to everyone, regardless of social standing, job description and the number of mutual friends inside the Beltway that you may have with a particular multiple-federal-felony-convicted former Vice Presidential minion, didn’t quite sink into your thick noggin, because today you wrote this:
With the sentencing of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Fitzgerald has apparently finished his work, which was, not to put too fine a point on it, to make a mountain out of a molehill. At the urging of the liberal press (especially the New York Times), he was appointed to look into a run-of-the-mill leak and wound up prosecuting not the leaker — Richard Armitage of the State Department — but Libby, convicted in the end of lying. This is not an entirely trivial matter since government officials should not lie to grand juries, but neither should they be called to account for practicing the dark art of politics. As with sex or real estate, it is often best to keep the lights off….
Accountability is one thing. By all means, let Congress investigate and conduct oversight hearings with relish and abandon. But a prosecution is a different matter. It entails the government at its most coercive — a power so immense and sometimes so secretive that it poses much more of a threat to civil liberties, including freedom of the press, than anything in the interstices of the scary Patriot Act. The mere arrival of a form letter from the IRS will give any sane person a touch of angina.
I don’t expect George Bush to appreciate this. He is the privileged son of a privileged son, and he fears nothing except, probably, doubt. But the rest of us ought to consider what Fitzgerald has wrought and whether we are better off for his efforts. I have come to hate the war and I cannot approve of lying under oath — not by Scooter, not by Bill Clinton, not by anybody. But the underlying crime is absent, the sentence is excessive and the investigation should not have been conducted in the first place. This is a mess. Should Libby be pardoned? Maybe. Should his sentence be commuted? Definitely. (emphasis mine)
I want to be certain that I understand what you are saying here: lying under oath is a crime and should be punished. But Scooter Libby shouldn’t be punished for his lying under oath because he was just playing politics, and thus should be excused from any and all crimes committed under some sort of “lights out political shield.” Is that about right?
Frankly, Richard, that makes no sense. And you’ve missed his other felony convictions for lying on multiple occasions to FBI agents and for obstructing the further investigation into this matter. But then, that was your point — to minimize the conduct of poor, law-breaking, multiple-felony-convicted Scooter, wasn’t it?
Yes, going to jail is a scary, difficult experience for people who are convicted of crimes — it’s called “punishment” and not “soccer and ice cream camp” for a reason. But this asinine notion that you have that public officials (or, as you probably say to yourself, “people like me”) shouldn’t have to pay their debt to society for lawbreaking in the same way as everyone else is…well, frankly Richard, it’s elitist and wrong.
You don’t get a pass on going to jail just because the mere thought of it makes you want to pee your pants — imprisonment is, after all, meant to be a deterrent. And, as Mr. Libby is a lawyer who has done his share of white collar criminal representation, he knew exactly what the risks and penalties were for his lawbreaking conduct before he ever started down his illegal road to self-ruin.
Further, Richard, and this is a very important point: Mr. Libby was convicted of multiple federal felonies by a jury of his peers who reached a unanimous verdict that he, indeed, violated the laws of the United States with his conduct. These were smart folks, Richard, not potted plants, who asked multiple questions of witnesses from both sides of the case and listened intently to all of the evidence presented – and their verdict is deserving of far more respect than you give it.
Additionally, one of the charges for which Mr. Libby was convicted was obstruction of justice. Meaning, and this is really important so I am going to type very slowly here so that you can follow along, sir: there were potentially more crimes committed that could not be prosecuted fully because Mr. Libby blocked further investigation into criminal conduct by others with his obstruction. Perhaps Vice President Cheney, perhaps Karl Rove, perhaps Richard Armitage…perhaps even the President — we cannot know because Libby “obstructed justice,” for which he was convicted by a jury after a lengthy trial. Mr. Libby knows, but he is refusing to divulge his knowledge to authorities. Hence, the obstruction conviction. (See how simple that was?)
And, further, there was a LOT of evidence and testimony that pointed to Mr. Libby’s guilt — even Judge Walton, a conservative, GOP-appointed federal judge has said, repeatedly, that the evidence of Mr. Libby’s guilt was overwhelming. Judge Walton, by the way, respects the laws as they are written, without exceptions for the rich and powerful. (Funny how people who enforce the laws day in and day out don’t have a lot of sympathy for people who break them, regardless of their stature, isn’t it? Sheesh…the nerve of some people.)
But you, Richard, you missed the factual point that while Richard Armitage talked with Bob Novak about Valerie Plame Wilson, both Karl Rove and Scooter Libby also talked with multiple journalists on multiple occasions about her as well. So, that would be multiple members of the Bush Administration spreading classified information around town for political and personal payback which you appear to believe is hunky dory so long as they are playing politics with it? In your mind, we are just better off not knowing about the lawbreaking, putting our fingers in our ears, and pretending it didn’t happen — a mental lights out moment for you is better than upholding the rule of law inside the Beltway?
Are you seriously paid to be this daft?
Here is what I know, Richard: you do not get a pass for breaking the law because you are a governmental employee doing your boss’s dirty work. You do not get a pass because you are one of the “important people.” And, while jail does suck, you don’t get a pass from going to jail just because your friends think your lawbreaking ought to be excused.
It sure doesn’t work that way for any of the thousands of criminals who are sentenced in federal and state courts all over this country every single day, and it sure as hell shouldn’t work that way for Scooter Libby. Libby chose to tell multiple lies — to the FBI, to the grand jury under oath on multiple occasions — and to obstruct the further investigation by telling those lies. No one is to blame for the lies that came out of Libby’s mouth but Libby himself. It’s called taking responsibility for one’s own actions. Libby is no different than any other criminal convicted of those offenses — he lied, he broke the law, he has been convicted and sentenced, and that sentence should now be carried out. Period.
You certainly don’t get a pass for your criminal conduct solely because you have friends in the important Beltway Crowd social circuit of which you are clearly a part. That is elitism at its most odious, frankly — the whiff of “people like us should be allowed to do as we please” is appalling on its face. I think my pal Glenn Greenwald sums this up quite well today, and I suggest you read his piece and really think about it. (You do remember thinking, don’t you, Richard? Take the cocktail weenies out of reach for a few moments and think on your own.)
Best, Christy
PS — And stop hanging out with Hitchens, you guys are clearly huffing too much of Barbara Comstock’s Chanel No. 5. Cheers! And do tell FFFH I said howdy.
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zed?
Yes!
Christy nails it again.
Christy, you are a dream come true!
Smokin’ Christy!!!!!!
“the dark art of politics”????????
There you have it. They are clearly a demonic cult.
God. What is wrong with these damn people. Lunatics, all of them.
Comments on Cohen’s tripe are running about 500-1 in favor of thinking he’s cracked.
LS at 5 — Yes, apparently sacrificing some kosher weenies on the alter of kinship (or, as we in the hinterlands like to say, grilling some high class hot dogs on the BBQ) means you never have to say you’re sorry.
Greenwald’s all over this as well…
I think Richard’s brain-dead column in WaPo today has generated more angry and mocking comments then I have EVER seen on the web!
At last count there were almost 60 pages taking his Scooter defense to pieces…I’m sure Cohen aches for the old days when a DC pundit could pen a column like this on paper and control the flow of comments to those favorable to the editorial views of the paper.
I doubt whether Richard will ever take the time to check out any of the reactions to his pathetic piece of mischief and misdirection…
Snarkalicious.
This “criminalization of politics” bullshit makes me want to laugh, cry or scream, depending on whether the person in question is going to the slammer, indicted, or still in office.
grape at 9 — Yes, which is why I linked Glenn in my piece above.
P.P.S. Cohen
Valerie Plame was Covert.
Christy, this is akin to a Keith O special comment. Great work!
Well, it’s been clear Cohen went to the Dark side some time ago.. And Post readers are flaying him in the comments section. `
Of course, lines about keeping light off the Public’s Business sorta encourage abuse, after the incredulity.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
They creep me out….shivers…
Wow, Christy, great smack down! It is sickening how the republic as*holes think they should be above the law.
Richard Cohen has apparently been reading another Libby apologist along the same lines, Joe Klein. Here’s Greenwald on Klein in a June 11, 2007 posting from Salon:
Greenwald then lists non-celebrities who have been convicted for perjury and/or obstruction of justice. Worth a (re)read.
Great, just great Christy. As a sidebar, has anyone ever investigated how the once steady-handed WaPo, a former leader in journalistic integrity, evolved into the neocon editorial pumper that it has become. “So easy, a Neocon can do it.”
If columnists, like dairy products, had an expiration date, Richard Cohen would have exceeded his long ago.
Spotlight!
hate2haggle at 19 — See the FFFH link above.
grape_crush @ 9
Home-run.
I sure hope he reads it.
The lights have been turned off in Richard Cohen’s brain for years.
I have this image of him getting together with Broder (and maybe Fred Hiatt) on a Friday, getting drunk, and b*tching about how the country has gone to hell since people stopped listening to them.
A good way for George Tenet to atone for his many sins would be to loudly and publicly (like in a WaPo editorial) state unequivocally that Valerie Plame WAS covert and that blowing her cover DAMAGED U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY. Then maybe wingnut apologists like Mr. Cohen would stop repeating the LIE that there was no underlying crime in the Scooter Libby case.
Thanks for this post, Christy.
Alvord at 20 — Does this mean we should start caling Mr. Cohen “Curdled” from now on, do you think? Although I do like the commenter at Glenn’s who suggested “light’s out” — it does have a certain ring of truth to it on multiple levels…
And here I thought that it was the job of an independent, Constitutionally protected press to shine the light on the “dark art of politics.” Silly me.
Of course, when you turn on the lights the roaches scatter for shelter. As one of the roaches, Cohen wants to prevent that at all costs.
I just don’t get these people …. but clearly there was a fantastic party last week somewhere in Washington where lots of newspaper and tv people were invited and shown a great time
dalloway @ 26
I’ve always thought he probably is the one who leaked her position and name directly to Dicketh of the Darksyde.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Christy,
Did you email your column to Cohen? His email is at the end of his op-ed piece. I emailed him and suggest everyone do the same. Keeping it polite of course. This is his email address:
cohenr@washpost.com
Just read your column about the Libby case “runaway prosecution”.
Is it your opinion that the possible crime of outing an agent which was referred by the CIA should not have been investigated? Or is it your position that GIVEN that the investigation was appropriate- the prosectutor should have ignored the perjury committed by Libby?
I really don’t understand your point of view.
As to the “underlying crime”, do you think that the prosecutor was being honest when he said that the defendant’s lies made it impossible to discern his motive and to determine if the crime had taken place- or do you think the prosecutor was lying?
This old buzzard should be rocking on the porch with Broder, yelling at kids when they step on the lawn.
LS @ 31
DING!
ka-POW!
Spotlight time.
Alvord @ 20
Is that why his columns smell like sour milk?
blue e at 30 — Check the link to Marcy’s article about said cocktail party(s) at the “cocktail weenie” link. I’m not kidding…
Christy, you are ‘right on.’
When I read “run-of-the-mill leak,” I can’t get out of my mind pictures of those WWII posters: “Loose lips sink ships.”
A leak outing a CIA agent is only a run-of-the-mill leak in the Bush sawmill that is cutting up our democracy.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 12
lol – Again with the below-the-fold stuff!… apologies…Ah well…it’s worth the extra mention, dontcha think?
What Cohen is saying is “Please outsource my job to an Indian blogger,” because if you no longer need high-priced “journalists” like him to supposedly bring “light” to hidden political affairs, then just hire celebrity political bloggers at a much lower rate.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Let me add “rancid” to the list.
Cohen’s column contains so many different errors it will be used in journalism classes: as a bad example.
Thank you Christy Hardin Smith.
Hugh @ 25
Cohen might also want to invite Dan Schorr, David Gergen, and maybe even Charlie Rose. (Or maybe this is too harsh? *g*)
egregious at 43 — It contains so many errors that my first draft of a response had an extra 750 words or so in it. *G*
egregious @ 43
They actually have journalism classes? After reading the press the past few years, who’d have thunk?
Watergate, Iran-Contra, Libby. Just politics.
“The real injustice is that prison is simply not the place for the most powerful and entrenched members of the Beltway royal court, no matter how many crimes they commit. There is a grave indignity to watching our brave Republican elite be dragged before such lowly venues as a criminal court and be threatened with prison, as though they are common criminals or something. How disruptive and disrespectful and demeaning it all is.”
Richard Cohen’s comment, quoted above, just absolutely infuriates me. Decomposing the statement, he seems to think that there should be an elite group that is above the laws. That elite group is composed of lawmakers. Who better to send to prison when they do wrong (other than journalists who become mouthpieces and betray the public trust that real journalists have worked so hard to build over the centuries)?
On a radical thought, maybe it is time to just dismantle Washington and move the nation’s government someplace safer, like Des Moine, Iowa. It is in the center of the country — the heartland! And, I can tell you without even having been to Des Moine that there is a hell of a lot more common sense there!
As I said in a previous post today, I don’t care how disruptive, disrespectful or demeaning it might be to these dumbasses! That is how you learn! And, when you break the law, that in itself is disruptive, disrespectful and demeaning to our country.
Libby screwed up and has to pay the price! If he really wants to be a patriot, he needs to say who he is protecting, and spill the beans so that true justice can be done.
Aside from KO and Helen Thomas is there just one honest journalist with integrity that resides in that rarified air found in the “Beltway.” Not only must the Republicans be swept from office and power but their lapdog enablers in the MSM need to be cleaned out. Day by day the American public is waking up to the fact that the MSM has morphed into the American version of the press found in the collapsed Soviet Union. The Russian people couldn’t put up with the lies anymore and the American public will follow suit.
Flip, Libby, Flip.
Bluetoe @ 50
Schuster.
Elliott @ 21
and while we are at it, how about an anti-pardon blogswarm?
El Cid @ 41
preach it!
Biodun @ 45
I can see Daniel Schorr joining in. Gergen and Rose would just fall asleep and no one would notice the difference.
Thanks Christy for another smoking expose of an especially pathetic media whore for Bush.
Katherine Graham is smiling down on you from the heavens. Will do my best to spread your piece far and wide to my pals who still read the WP and want to believe it is credible and/or worth reading without tongue planted firmly in cheek.
Hitchens has his Republican talking points down so well that he may simply have copied the memo from Karl, had a couple of drinks, and then failed to come up with anything original…you know, like the last 10 years of his career.
I can see why women would ask him to turn the lights off.
Morris Sheppard @ 47
Oh yes, of course, there are journalism classes. No one could be that bad without help.
His bio from the speaker’s bureau…
HELPS people understand what’s happening?
Richard Cohen has a gift for writing in ways that touch people on issues great and small. In his twice-weekly column in The Washington Post he tackles both complex issues and seemingly simple ones, helping people to understand what is happening around them. From Ground Zero on that horrible September day to wherever his travels take him, his highly personal and graceful writing moves and informs his readers.
“I see myself as the reader’s proxy, lucky enough by virtue of occupation to go where they cannot go,” he says. “I can visit places they’re not likely to go and under conditions they would probably avoid (the Middle East almost a dozen times, Africa, Central America, Asia and Europe over and over again) and, sometimes most perilously, the halls of Congress or the salons of Georgetown. I’ve covered every presidential campaign since 1968 and still can’t understand why the primary season doesn’t start in Florida or Arizona and wind up in Iowa and New Hampshire.” “Most days I cannot wait to get to work,” he adds. “I love what I do–the reporting, the writing, the thinking, the constant exploration. Sometimes I think I have the best job in the world. Some days I think Tiger Woods does. But at least I work in air conditioning.”
Cohen’s columns have appeared on the op-ed page of The Washington Post since 1984. He joined the Post in 1968 after attending the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, and after doing, as he puts it, “some post-graduate work” at Fort Dix, N.J., and Fort Leonard Wood, Mo. At the Post he covered all sorts of stories–night police, city hall, education, state government and national politics. As he paper’s chief Maryland correspondent, he was one of two reporters who broke the story of the investigation of former Vice President Agnew.
In 1976, he began writing a column that ran on the front of the Metro section. Its popularity, and the notice of newspaper editors around the country, led to national syndication by The Washington Post Writers Group in 1981.
Cohen was born in New York City, and graduated from New York University and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. Before coming to Washington, he worked as a copy aide at The New York Herald Tribune and as a reporter for United Press International in New York.
Cohen has received the Sigma Delta Chi and Washington-Baltimore Newspaper Guild Awards for his investigative reporting. In 1974, he and Jules Witcover wrote A Heartbeat Away: The Investigation and Resignation of Spiro T. Agnew.
Mr. Cohen subscribes to the view that there should be one set of rules for the rich, in a land where riches bring power, and one for the poor, where its absence produces (or should in his opinion) powerlessness. A poster on the Great Orange Satan tracked Mr. Cohen down in his lair, which is a very large and luxurious apartment on Fifth Avenue NYC previously owned by the Dutton family, and if memory serves me right, someone from Kresge’s or Wooloworth. The top floor condo on that establishment is priced at $50 million. As to Mr. Cohen, he married the daughter of a very wealthy woman whose father made his bones stripping failing companies of their assets before turning the rest over to the bondholders.
Someone should do a prosographical study of these so-called pundits, excessively rich themselves and mouthpieces for the excessively rich. He doesn’t need WaPo’s money. He’d spout his trash for nothing! Give him a soap box in Hyde Park.
[delurking]
How someone like Cohen can write so many words and yet leave out so much information has to be some kind of a gift.
As usual, you hit all the right notes and filled in all the holes beautifully.
Thanks
Is Cohen among the “Fuck Iraq up for the salvation of Israel” set?” If the Iraqis focused on that aspect of their current occupation- they might not be happy about it.
Cohen deserves every word of this, every word of Greenwald, and every outraged comment on the Post website. His piece today is an outrage.
I agree he’s gone, finished, over the hill, over the edge, drunk on kool-aid, crazed with elitist conviction……but does anyone besides me remember a time when wrote good columns? Or am I misoverestimating again?
Did Cohen think that the prosecution of Spiro T for Bribery was an out of control investigation? Apparently it was his seminal work.
Re: Hitchens:
My bold. Here Hitchens is speaking to himself, as it were.
Now here’s a guy who has written several books. Here’s a guy who went to Oxford (IIRC). Here’s a guy who has been visiting professor on several campuses. Here’s a guy who considers himself an intellectual. Here’s a guy who is a self-proclaimed member of the intelligentsia on both sides of the pond.
And he still has (mis)conceptions and confusions about the Libby case.
I’m not even sure Cohen believes any of this, or whether it matters. He’s so egregiously untalented that he probably feels insecure about his job, and Fred Hiatt exploits this by asking him to do these seamy little columns from time to time.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
The word “rancid” came to mind.
Richard the Rancid Cohen.
I can’t even imagine what woman would want that piece of real estate even with the lights off. It’s like beach front at the slaughterhouse pond.
Christy – you rock…
I think you have outsnarked Jane with that correspondence. I’m still laughing @ “and people you seem to want to continue to hang out with at cocktail parties.”
I am so thrilled when you call these bufoons on their hypocricy and their coddling of criminals like Libby!
The only problem with turning the light off, Mr. Cohen, is that when you finally do shine a light, they all go running for the corners. And they are really harder to get that way. So many of them at once, you know?
It is much better to get them one at a time, which we liberal bloggers will do. Thanks for letting us know, once again, where you stand.
Pass the mustard.
PS:
Well said, Christy. As a former federal prosecutor myself, let me add a point that may seem obvious, but apparently needs to be made to people like Cohen:
In the course of a grand jury investigation (particularly in white collar cases), there is a period of time during which it’s not at all clear to the investigators whether a crime has even been committed, much less whether a given person committed it. This is why we give grand juries very broad powers to investigate as they wish, but also why we impose strict secrecy requirements on grand juries. In a great many cases (where the statute is complex or requires difficult proof, e.g., knowledge of a CIA agent’s covert status), it may even be unclear to a subject of the investigation himself or herself whether what they did comprised a violation of federal criminal law.
The ambiguities and uncertainties which obtain in these investigation is one reason that we criminalize, investigate and punish persons who obstruct investigations, irrespective of their guilt of any underlying offense, or even of the existence of an underlying offense. The system is harmed regardless– investigators who could be pursuing other crimes should not have to spend time trying to untangle the lies of an investigative subject. Federal law enforcement resources are, contrary to defense counsel’s frequent protestations– finite, so it is virtually certain that if an agent or prosecutor has to spend significant resources because of perjury or destruction of evidence, there are other persons who have committed other crimes who will not be investigated and caught.
Another, related reason is that it in many cases, it is impossible to go back in time and determine whether a substantive offense actually occurred when the investigation was stymied by obstruction on the part of a subject. Society is well within its rights to punish such a person, and to turn a deaf ear to idiots like Cohen who complain that the defendant was not shown to have committed the underlying offense.
LS@31–
I guess it’s possible that Tenet was the original leaker to Shooter, but then why would the CIA (in 2003, when Tenet was still its fearless leader) have requested an investigation into who leaked, which triggered the appointment of Fitz and all that followed? That seems way dumb, even for Tenet.
woops….great letter Christy!
LS @ 13
What I find most astounding in all this is that he insists that his opinion should override Walton’s regarding an IIPA violation. Walton, when he decided to crossreference the obstruction charge to the IIPA violation was, in effect, ruling that an IIPA violation was likely to have taken place, and that Libby prevented that investigation from happening.
Walton saw ALL the evidence, admissible or not, classified or not. He is the single most reliable source to answer this question, not to mention being professionally impartial. For Lights Off to conclude that he is in a better position to decide whether the IIPA was violated is an extraordinarily arrogant, and ignorant thing to say. I’d say he needs to spend a day with Marcy and Swopa, and, yes, Byron York.
Sojourner @ 49
I prefer moving it to western Kansas or western Nebraska: someplace about a hundred miles from any airport that can handle anything with more than six seats. A place where they have wells and septic tanks and satellite dishes, because they’re a hundred miles from anywhere, and they’ll have to drive miles just to find cocktail weenies.
Rayne @ 68
bwwaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
Rayne @ 68
Rayne dear YOU do have a fine way with words but you really should provide spew alerts! FOFLMAO!
Christy – one correction:
Perhaps Vice President Cheney, perhaps Karl Rove, perhaps Richard Armitage…perhaps even the President — we cannot know because Libby “obstructed justice,” for which he was convicted by a jury after a lengthy trial. Mr. Libby knows, but he is refusing to
devulgedivulge his knowledge to authorities. Hence, the obstruction conviction.Bluetoe @ 50
In KO’s defense, he’s in NYC, not DC.
rwcole @ 63
They are also denying the fact that Israel’s enemies have become more powerful, due to the criminal conduct of BushCo.
Ben at 72 — Amen. And why this has to be repeated ad nauseum — when it happens in many complex, conspiracy and other white collar fraud investigations on a routine basis — I have no idea. Well, other than the fact that punidts such as Mr. Cohen never bother to actually speak with prosecutors who have done real world work on these sorts of cases in their professional careers. Thanks for amplifying that point, though — much appreciated!
brendan @ 58
So they can sneak out?
Alice @ 53
and while we are at it, how about an anti-pardon blogswarm?
I’m proud to say that I sent one of the pro-significant-punishment dead-tree-edition letters to the Honorable Judge Reggie Walton, and that it was published (along with Kissinger’s, Rumsfeld’s, and all the beltway boobs who so ridiculously argued for a small or suspended sentence). I’m certainly up for a blogswarm!! :)
cajun @ 62
It’s not so much so many words and leaving things out; it’s so many words and saying nothing at all…
Biodun @ 66
This particular essay was so full of pre-owned tripe that I doubt he ever saw it before the publisher hit Submit…We should disabuse our children of the notion that they are ever in anyway not suited to Oxford if Hitchens is an example of both qualifications, effort and output.
On the other hand I might rather encourage my kids to go to a nice state university rather than be lumped in with Hitchens’ ilk. I wonder that Oxford’s alumni haven’t thought about publishing a full-page letter in WaPo as Gonzales’ cohort from Harvard did, asking Hitchens to hang up his keyboard while giving into the genie in the bottle…
Stephen at 79 — Thanks much — got it. Never proofread while peeved. *g*
Christy,
I don’t know what I’d do without these moments of sanity and honesty that you all provide. Bravo!
Ben @ 72
Are there any federal prosecutors that you know of, who are not miffed at AGAG and the criminal acts at DOJ?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
Christy, if you want your facts right, do check
http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/ and you will see that Oscar Meyer franks in any size are not Kosher, and that his Deep dish pizza, which claims to be, is not as well.
If you want Kosher franks at a cocktail party, you will have to go Joe and Hadassah’s house–or mine, where you would be most welcome, probably more than at Joe’s place, and they won’t be Oscar Meyer’s.
But Scooter didn’t lie, he misspoke. He didn’t obstruct justice, he ‘made a mistake’. Oh, and he’s truly sorry…huh? He’s not? Well then he deeply regrets that he was misunderstood.
Lord have mercy! Is this real??? Do these people actually expect to get away with this?? Huh? They do????
Oh, and one more thing. Anyone who thinks Scooter will spend a pico second in jail is seriously retarded. Bush will either commute his sentence or just order the Nat’l Guard to take him into custody( housed in the Plaza at taxpayers expense). Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Bush doesn’t have the slightest intention of obeying the law, any law. He will get Scooter out of jail even if it means nuking a federal courthouse. He will stop at nothing to protect himself. The man is pure evil.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Lights off which is from the piece, and I think carries the sense of illicit movement better than lights out (which is generally used as an approbation iac).
dalloway @ 73
I don’t have a link for it, but I do recall that Marcy, in one of her recent TNH posts, stated that she did not think that George Tenet was Dick Cheney’s source. (Marcy, if you’re reading this, please correct me if necessary.)
I sent this little note to Cohen’s email address on the column:
Subject: The only runaway bus is the one the Washington Post let you write your column on. . .
Just what country are you from, son, because it’s not the United States — remember that nation subject to the Rule of Law the Republicans liked to speak so passionately about when it was the president from the other party getting a blow job? You don’t seem to grasp the concept of trial by jury. Irving Libby lied to a grand jury and obstructed justice. Crimes. Crimes for which he was tried and convicted. He had the best counsel that money can buy. He was heard by a Republican judge who bent over backward to be fair to him. And he was convicted still. He’s a criminal. Period. He wasn’t practicing the “dark arts” of politics. He’s a criminal. Wrap your mind around that. Criminals in this country go to jail. He wasn’t some poor innocent who got in the way of an out of control prosecutor. He didn’t just arrive in Washington last week fresh off the turnip truck. Oh, poor Scooter, he was just doing his job. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew exactly who he continues to protect. He’s a criminal. Period. He’s going to jail. The shame of it is that the sentence isn’t a lot longer and that his fellow criminals — Dick Cheney, Richard Armitrage, Ari Fleischer, Karl Rove and others — aren’t going to jail with him. And to call this a run of the mill leak? A CIA agent was outed. The cover operation was exposed. For politics! For politics! Frankly it’s an act of treason and you justify it as politics as usual. How many of our human assets in other countries have died as a result of this treachery? How many will never trust us again? A shonda on you. A shonda on you for wasting everyone’s time with your ridiculous column.
LS @ 13
Oh, pshaw. Where’d you get that idea, CIA Director Michael Hayden? What does he know about whether Plame was covert or not? He’s never had a regular newspaper column anywhere, has he?
jayackroyd at 75
Oooh, can we call him Lights Off now?
BlueState at 90 — That was a little obscure for me — but my kosher hot dog reference, for clarity’s sake, was that those are the high class, “all beef” and none of the riff raff dogs in these parts. Just as Cohen is claiming that Libby is too high class to be placed in jail with the little people. Just so we’re clear…
Thanks Christy @ 38
Have you had a chance to read the Ralston deposition?
It was weird to me that Mr. Ausbook (Minority Counsel) asked her if Rove had talked with Armitage about Wilson’s wife? (page 88)
Was he trying to put out there that Rove learned of her through Armitage gossip?
newspaperbrat @ 78
I keep thinking, and others had suggested
Richard “Lights Out” Cohen..
jayackroyd @ 92
I think “lights off” is also a nice comment on his mental activity … or lack thereof.
One can only hope that these examples of buffoonery are being archived by a journalism professor to illustrate to his or her students why you don’t hang out in the same circles as your subjects.
Well put, CHS.
If the Republicans didn’t want to suffer the indignity of going to prison, they shouldn’t commit crimes. I’m sick of the Repugs blaming the media for their crimes and mistakes and corruption. If they stopped breaking the law, then the media could stop reporting it.
They’re a bunch of soulless hypocrits. They’re the Foley Party. The Schiavo Party. The Abramoff Party. The Mess in Iraq Party. The Swift Boat Party. They have to lie to justify their crooked ways.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 93
IIRC, Marcy laid out a time line where Cheney (allegedly) helped forge the niger doc., which was then handed to the CIA via British Intelligence.
I will be checking back later to see if Marcy clarifies this.
El Cid @ 41
An Indian blogger would probably have a more lucid take on politics than does Richard the Rancid.
BlueStateRedHead @ 90
Kosher.com — all-beef cocktail franks, 12 oz. for $5.99.
I’m sure Babs Comstock can buy enough to feed all the Beltway with 5 million dollars in the Libby Defense Fund bankroll. Wonder if Kosher.com has had a run on them in the last week or so…
P J Evans @ 76
With all the talk and mention of cocktail weenies, there HAS to be a connection between the dementia many of these people appear to suffer from, and the preservatives that are put into the weenies.
Unfortunately, the FDA does not appear to be conducting any real oversight of issues such as this, so I guess they will just have to stay demented until they die from eating too many of them…
Great smackdown, Christy! (Mr. Redd — I advise you, sir, not to piss this lady off.)
Cohen should get together with “Jodi” the shitstain. In the dark, to have blind, naked mole-sex, like the two rodents they are.
Rayne @ 105
Are “Not Dogs” Kosher? Not Dogs!
brendan @ 108
Eeeewww!! Brendan!! The very notion that there might be progeny makes this abhorrent!!
Margot @ 104
This actually goes to the heart of the matter. Cohen doesn’t earn his keep by talent, industry or insight, he does it by doing favors for Hiatt.
Ian @ 94
This is something I wish the spineless Dems would flood the airwaves with … countless American patriots and human assets have died because of the treasonous act of outing Valerie Plame and Libby is obstructing the investigation that will bring these Benedict Arnolds to justice.
Rayne @ 86:
Yep to both points in your comments. Here’s a gem papagraph from Hitchens, the intellectual writer and Oxford alumni:
What seems extraordinary, Mr. Hitchens, is that you can write an essay that is the crowning achievement of gibberish and half-baked ideas.
raven @ 109
Even if vegan, I think they have to be prepared under the auspices of a rabbi, but I’m not certain. Anybody?
Ya can get Hebrew National franks at COSTCO- or at Madison Square Garden. Definately high class dogs.
egregious @ 96
Oooh, can we call him Lights Off now?
That’s what I’m going for. It was proposed by a commenter in Glenn’s place. Democritus if I remember right. I put up a link in scarecrow’s thread.
Rayne @ 114
Hebrew national claim to be kosher. But they’re owned by ConAgra so take it FWIW.
Biodun @ 113
I wonder when the Oxford Alumni will take out a full page ad in the WSJ, condemning Hitchens, Libby, Abu, et al …
See, what makes Cohen a “liberal” is that he now claims not to believe that there should have been any more fuss over Ken Starr’s operation than he thinks there should be now over Scooter Libby. Don’t you love the coy “As with sex or real estate, it is often best to keep the lights off….” Little reference to Monica and Whitewater to show how fair-minded he is. In this, too, he proves himself a true Broder brother.
Biodun @ 113
Spectacularly BAD; it’s SO BAD that I don’t think it was Hitchens that wrote it. I think Hitchens let his name be purchased for use on this set of RNC-issued, OVP-authored talking points.
Babs Comstock is capable of pulling off a negotiation like that, don’t you think so?
Christy, A slip in meaning, perhaps?
And, further, there was a LOT of evidence and testimony that pointed to Mr. Libby’s guilt — even Judge Walton, a conservative, GOP-appointed federal judge has said, repeatedly, that the evidence
againstfor Mr. Libby’s guilt was overwhelming.Seamus at 121 — More likely a slip in editing the piece down to a manageable size. Will clean it up. Thanks for the heads up…
And they say that Liberals are elitists.
dalloway @ 73
Something like, he who looks around and remarks that someone has passed gas, is often the one who passed the gas :)
OT Froomkin ledes with the e-mails today.
OT, but here’s what I posted on Esten’s CarePage today:
Can’t really tell you how good it feels.
tommy—
Esten is never off topic here.
Love for your family.
—egr
Biodun @ 113
I have to wonder about Hitchens. Heavy drinkers often get themselves into troubles — financial, marital, whatnot — from which they can’t extricate themselves. I bet someone’s got something really bad on him.
there are several rabbinical authorities that can certify foods as kosher. They use trademarks that appear on the package. Once I represented one in a TM infringement suit.
To CHS: You nailed it.
Rayne @ 10:53 am -
Somewhat off topic – I hope that Scooter’s spiritual advisors are having frank discussions with him. :)
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 131
[chuckle] Yeah. Frank discussions.
OT (but woulda been on-topic this morning)
has up video snippets from the AFSMCE meetings where you can compare the Big Three’s views on getting out of Iraq.
Clinton is incoherent–she delivers the soundbites but then contradicts them in her detailed responses.
Edwards takes the clearest line toward withdrawal, but doesn’t really explain how armed forces in Kuwait are going to deal with a defenseless, oil rich, failed state riven by ethnic conflict.
Obama points out that he was against the war from the start that it shouldn’t have been waged in the first place, but here we are. He hopes the Iraqis will step up. Or he finds a pony.
It’s worth watching these to get some sense of where these people are. I don’t hear from any of them the tough minded commitment it will take to really get out. It bothers me that Clinton seems to thing we’re too stupid to notice that her plans don’t add up her soundbites, that Obama doesn’t real seem to have an idea of what to do and that Edwards remains vague. Overall, IMO, Edwards seems the most committed to finding a way out, in this conversation.
GeorgeSimian @ 123
“Equal treatment under the law” is a snooty, ivory-tower attitude.
Serious commentators, speaking for the common folk, understand that a few people are simply more important than others. These people also generally have a more … delicate … nature, and these things should be taken into account in matters of Justice.
(Plus, trial by jury is such a pre-9/11 practice. Tsk.)
Christy!!!
Let me pass along this OT heads up– BuzzFlash has this review:
Its our kinda book. See the link to read the BuzzFlash review.
Bob in HI
tommy yum @ 126,
There’s gotta be something in those croissants you make for him. ;-)
I’m really glad to hear this.
There were those that speculated that the demise of the Roman Empire was partially the result of lead in the cookware. When the final chapter is written on the demise of the Republican Party and their enablers in the MSM perhaps poetic justice would inform the fall to the over indulgence of cocktail weenies.
“Does it not seem extraordinary that a man can be prosecuted, and now be condemned to a long term of imprisonment, because of an alleged minor inconsistency of testimony in a case where it is admitted that there was no crime and no victim?”
Indeed it would seem extraordinary Mr. Hitchins,if that were the case…but, if you were to investigate the facts, you would soon find that the perception of the facts you cite, are based on a blatant distortion of reality.
Richardson claims to be the only candidate who advocates TOTAL withdrawal- as far as I know- he’s correct about that.
LS @ 52
Froomkin.
Christy@ 97.
Sorry for confusing you and I take your point. I had conflated your reference to kosher weenies with the one to oscar meyers on The Next Hurrah, which you will find if you click on your link to “cocktail weenies.”
E.g.
I wish i was an oscar meyer wiener,
that is what I’d truly like to be.
For if I were an oscar meyer wiener,
I’d get to watch the neocon traitors try to justify a pardon for scooter libby.
I see we are off and running on Kosher franks, so that brings me by way of association of Kosher with Joe and Hadassah Lieberman (who keep it) to a more important point about. Is there anyway to bring pressure on Reid to cause Joe to work on his government oversight function. There are all those emails that need tracking down, and his staff is doing so little….
hmm, needs a little work on the last line.
Excellent Christy.
Clueless Cohen is obviously waaayyyy out of touch with reality.
One wonders if there might not be some kind of underlying medical condition, it’s so bad.
But a prosecution is a different matter. It entails the government at its most coercive — a power so immense and sometimes so secretive that it poses much more of a threat to civil liberties, including freedom of the press, than anything in the interstices of the scary Patriot Act.
Looks like Cohen is saying that we should not prosecute people for committing criminal acts because prosecution per se threatens civil liberties. How exactly do we uphold the rule of law? Hold a hearing on Al Capone, but for heaven’s sake, don’t prosecute him.
Flaming loyal Bushies such as Joe Klein, Matt Taibbi, David Broder, Richard Cohen feels so good. I nominate Tim Russert for the next Blogosphere Pinata.
He’s the one that was telling young girls that they didn’t need to learn math, right?
Loo Hoo. @ 140
Granted, their are some journalists that have not sold their souls for power, priviledge and access but my point was, what MSM journalist, aside from the above mentioned, have wide spread recognition to the vast middle America.
scarecrow @ 144
Interesting. He describes the Bush Administration perfectly.
So, I get up late this morning, after working way late last night, and the first thing I read is Christy Hardin Smith, followed by Glenn Greenwald.
Man, it just does not get any better.
Cohen, what a complete, whiny ass! Y’all incinerated him.
What I can’t understand is that Cohen and others are missing “the overall.” It wasn’t just Libby. This was clearly a plot that involved Cheney, Condi, Karl and maybe Shrub himself, among others. They used the media to OUT a CIA NOC IN TIME OF WAR! (One that was involved in monitoring weapons activities in Iraq — the country with which we were at war.) That, simply, is treason. Why can’t these ditto heads understand this!!! Why can’t reporters follow this obvious story? Why do they not believe that it IS a story??
tommy yum @ 126
Lots of Love to you and Esten, do you mind if I ask what his condition is called?
rwcole @ 63
I am walking on thin ice here but Mr. Cohen’s plea for Libby may be a result of cultural memory. He may feel that Libby is another of the long line of Jewish “Court Official” who are thrown under the bus by rulers. Bush, Cheney and Rove got off and the hard working Libby goes to jail. My feeling is that Bush is gloating about the fact that “that smart little shit Libby” is going to prison.
jayackroyd @ 133
In defense of Edwards’ position, dealing with a bad and chaotic situation is an inherently messy business. What should be made clear in a withdrawal is that it is going forward and that our responses to the situation in the country during it will be limited.
the law is not equal for everyone. it never has been
only the pretense of it being for everyone has endured. and finally, the obvious corruption is coming to the surface of the pond.
someone can have people killed and make money from it and get slapped. someone else can be selling reefer on the street and go to prison for years. real fair, real justice.
let’s not kid ourselves that this system isn’t and hasn’t been corrupt. think this will ever change? we can hold out hope
Froomkin on Cohen’s column:
snip
What’s been getting under my skin in the last couple of days is that the Repubs are persisting in conspiring to retaliate against the Wilsons to this day. It is a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top and all the way back to dissing Wilson’s report about Niger and putting the wording in the SOTU in the first place. It has never ended. Someone needs to call them out on this, it’s right under our noses.
I sent the following email to Mr. Cohen:
“Mr. Cohen,
I am a retired XXXXXXX who served our country for 32 years. I have spent a
good part of my career in the Washington arena.
I want to say that your op-ed is completely off base. Lying to the FBI and a GJ
do matter. It is not “just politics”.
My only conclusion, since some of the things you write do make some sense, is
that on this issue you have been inside the Beltway too long.
XXXXXXX
Tucson”
LS @ 154
It is up to the blogosphere to lead the charge … the spineless Dems have lost their way ...
Great post!! These guys can’t get away with the bullsh*t anymore.
rwcole @ 139
I believe Gravel does as well. Especially since he called out Obama and all the others (including Richardson) for their “no options off the table in regards to Iran” as nuclear posturing.
In my opinion, the most important pressure issue of the day is to get congress to make it clear that the current Authorization of Force for Iraq does NOT include Iran- Why is congress ignoring this issue?
scarecrow @ 143
exactly. that’s why we have GITMO – prosecuting alleged terrorists would threaten their civil liberties.
LS @ 154
What about that General who was assigned to look into Abu Grahib torture and ended up being “retired” and isolated because they said he was being to aggressive? Doesn’t that make you sick?
Petrocelli @ 151
ALL: Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia, otherwise known as the “good cancer.” The prognosis is excellent — 90% full recovery. The treatment is a bitch. He turned four in April and has had no detectable leukocytes since November.
dakine01 @ 153
snip
That was the best Froomkin I think I have read so far, yes?
The way he encapsulated it called immediately to mind little cockroaches pleading from the shadows, “Turn the lights back off!”
Former Fed @ 155
As I say to people like him, who claim to be long time meditation practioners ... “You’ve been holding your breath for too long !!!”
Whoops. Someone’s turning out the lights at the WH Budget Office. Rob Portman wants to spend more time with his family (actually said this), but then says he might run for Gov or Senate. Ummm…those two jobs aren’t exactly gonna keep you home much, Robbie. Please tell us the REAL reason you’re leaving after a year or so on the job.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..or_resigns
Abandon ship!!!
rwcole @ 160
I agree. I’m afraid of waking up one morning to find out they went ahead with military strikes. They want to, and they will. They will deal with Congressional squawking the way they deal with everything else…they’ll ignore it. Congress either agrees with them, or is existing in some limboland of false security that they have any power over these guys. Our only hope is the military resisting orders to attack, but that doesn’t look promising.
rwcole @ 160
The current AUMF doesn’t cover Iraq anymore since the return of sovereignty to the successor state on June 28, 2004.
Loo Hoo. @ 140
the mcclatchy group’s DC bureau seems still to be doing just about the best journalism about the busheviks of any group in the country…given their wide-spread ownership, their work’s probably read by mor people, in toto, than anybody other than AP…
…
OT, fwiw:
On Walled-In Pond, there is a link to a long, Rolling Stone interview with Al Gore. He’s not gonna run, folks; sorry.
http://walled-in-pond.blogspot.com/
Meanwhile, The Well-Armed Lamb has video of a TruthOut.Org interview with Mikey Weinstein, on the repeated violations of the wall of separation by Air Force chaplains, both at the Academy and elsewhere, who use their pulpits to recruit for Jeezis’ Air Force. http://www.thewell-armedlamb.blogspot.com/
Musically, the gamut on Woody’s Guitar runs from the late, lamented Fela Kuti, the Nigerian singer/political activist who died in ‘97, to Bonnie Raitt. Good listening @ http://woodyguthriesguitar.blogspot.com/
Have a good day: it’s Joonteenth, the REAL emancipation day (and also my baby sister’s birthday).
Rayne @ 163
This was down at the end of today’s column. I cut out Cohen’s words that he repeated but it did seem to fit perfectly with this thread.
No Froomkin tomorrow as he is at the TBA conference.
GeorgeSimian @ 162
Taguba. Of course it makes me sick. Everything that has to do with this administration makes me sick. I’ve got a lot of skin!! ;>
tommy yum @ 162
If he is able to do so, might I suggest some gently yoga/meditation … it really helps to minimize the adverse effects of the drugs.
If you’re open to it, Dr. David Simon at chopra dot com can suggest some complimentary care to speed his recovery.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you always !
It’s a neat trick: Leak the covert identities of your “enemies,” get someone to agree to take the fall, then get your friends to argue that the guy who is taking the fall shouldn’t be punished because he is only taking the fall. Let me write this down.
Oh, wait. Cohen just did.
The entire beltway has become a Confederacy of Dunces especially since the WaPo always brings to mind the Levi Pants Factory. Who ARE those people??
Former Fed @ 156
Thanks for sharing Former Fed – well might inspire others in your former circles to make their voices heard from as well.
I doubt any weenies are served at all. Shrimp, quail, lobster, caviar, yes. Weenies, no.
From an article discussing former Time editor Norman Pearlstine’s new book Off the Record:
http://www.editorandpublisher……1003600063
Category: Too Much Information; Bad Visuals
Maybe them little baby weenies that come in a can–what’s the brand of them things? Libby?
Loo Hoo. @ 175
If Mr. Cohen and Mr. Broder are there, weenies are in fact, served; they are served shrimp, quail, etc….
Libby vienna sausage
newspaperbrat @ 174
I have never seen Lawyers so angry at an administration before … even the ones in Canada are really peeved …
Christy, that post is a thing of beauty. Thank you.
LS @ 170
They’re so petty. But I guess that’s why everyone’s scared to cross them.
http://www.amazon.com/Libbys-V…..B0005Z6A7M
Link to recommended blog photo
rwcole @ 177
707 !!!
Sparkles the Iguana @ 176
Well, as long as the lights are turned off Cooper could wear his birthday suit. It works for Mr. and Mrs. Cohen!
rwcole @ 159
I think you know the answer to this without having it spelled out in acronyms.
There’s a number I keep in my head as a kind of perfect measure of Congressional cravenness on our foreign policy in the Middle East: 410-8. That was the vote against a Lebanon cease fire last summer, at the very same time as American citizens were being bombed in Beirut and Haifa.
In their defense, thirty years of flouting the War Powers Act have made Congress powerless in many regards, so it doesn’t pay for any individual Congressmen make the right stand over an issue in which they can’t have any influence. It’s pathetic, nonetheless.
tbsa @ 35
Even though I’m late to the party (its breakfast time in Hawaii), I’d like to express my extreme skepticism about this. I don’t think that Tenet and Cheney have ever been friends– in fact, if you read Tenet’s new book, it is rather anti-Cheney. Their interests have always been at odds. Cheney has consistently undermined the CIA because he can’t control it. And this would make Tenet defensive about his turf.
No, it wasn’t Tenet, IMHO.
Bob in HI
i have a close family member who just got senenced to 9 years in federal prision for a white collar crime, i wonder if mr cohen will write a piece for him???
rwcole @ 179
Perfect! Maybe everyone gets a can as a party favor on their way out the door…
GeorgeSimian @ 183
Maybe they don’t cross them, because “they” know too much about their weenies. Sorry…:D
He’s a stenographer for the Elites.
He’s not writing for the little people.
Petrocelli – why do you think the ABA has been so quiet on the conviction of Libby. As a layperson I would think they would have defended his conviction and the sordid backlash at Fitz and even Judge Walton.
At TBA, the mystery rages
http://tba2007.confabb.com/con…..21/blog/87
We just love Libby’s sausage!
jane hamsher @ 194
OMG 707!!
de-lurking for a few just to say – christy hit the nail squarely on the head!! i aint no lawya but perjury is a crime i think…..
Across the street from TBA, there was a candidate forum for the Dems this a.m., put on by a large union organization. Chris Matthews hosted, asked questions of Clinton, Obama, Edwards etc.. At one point, he asked Hillary Clinton about Libby and whether he should be pardoned. Some in the audience yelled at Matthews to get back to labor issues — and while he bantered with them, she just stood there and smiled, never answering the simple question, “should Libby be pardoned.” Matthews asked another question and she answered that. Why can’t Clinton answer this question? Don’t know what to make of that.
I’ve been to Vienna- and I find it hard to believe that they eat them little baby weenies there.
Great post Christy, dovetails nicely w/ Glenns’.
FWIW; hotdogs = Nathan’s. Can’t go wrong (once you’ve committed to eating some). Moderation is key here.
Cohen’s nickname = “Lights Off”
perfect.
I’m feeling an EPU
jane hamsher @ 193
Oh, it must be Jane!! Jane = Digby!!!
I read this last night, late night and had to write him about how far he has fallen in many bright people’s eyes in the last six years. Unfortunately, he isn’t alone either.
I think they eat Weiners in Vienna.
scarecrow @ 198
I saw that on MSNBC this morning. It was obvious that she does not think he should be pardoned. The audience shouted out to ask her a real question, and everyone laughed and Tweety went on to the next question.
Digby = “Shining Light”
newspaperbrat @ 193
I think Christy mentioned that the ABA is going after bigger fish than Libby.
I would hope they’ve ascertained the appeal will be rejected, all the way to the Supreme Court, although if it does go to SCOTUS, I suspect that we will hear a lot from the ABA.
Loo Hoo. @ 140
Bill Moyers
Christy,
Kudos on your excellent work.
scarecrow @ 198
possibly, cuz she dint have her patented triangulation glasses on, and couldn’t/wouldn’t answer w/out ‘em?
Had Bill Clinton not lied about sex, he would never have been impeached nor disbarred, but he did. And he was.
Libby coldly lied to a grand jury while under oath – conduct no different than Clinton’s. Had he simply told the truth, none of the disasters that later befell him would have come to pass.
We give ourselves a right of trial before a jury of our peers. We demand that the witnesses against us be sworn, that they tell the truth and that if they lie, they will suffer harsh penalties. When we are summoned to testify, we join in a moral and legal compact that our testimony will be true. Libby is not only an attorney; he has represented from time to time those accused of crimes. He knew not only what was required; he knew what was at stake. Instead he chose to lie. Grand jurors sat there and watched him lie, and Libby watched them as he hoped that the grand jurors would believe that his lies were true. He deserved to be tried, convicted and sent to jail. And he was.
The question remains: Why did he do it? What or who was he protecting?
If he shows remorse and admits his conduct, if he discloses all that he knows regardless where it leads, a pardon for Libby, or respite or commutation, might serve a worthy end. To pardon Libby now is like handing a bank robber the keys to the get-away car.
Rayne @ 202
What if!!
Why is her pic missing? hmmm
Administrator,
Have I lost my blogging ability?
Elliott @ 209
If digby = Jane, she’s gotta lotta splaining to do about the length of posts. ;)
SanAndreasFaults @ 211
There is something in your URL that is causing problems. Better to leave it blank.
LS @ 203
And at the next debate, when the MSM weiner asks the Dems to raise their hands, I hope Hillary calls him out on this grade school tactic … they look stupid whether they raise their hands or not …
Administrator,
Thank you.
SanAndreasFaults @ 211
When SanAndreasFaults loses blogging ability, well, that’s just unnerving.
hope nothin’s shaking.
Rayne @ 201
If that is true; it is really convoluted. I remember reading posts by Digby when Jane was having surgery; re: visiting Jane in the hospital and waiting for the surgery to end.
Hah! I nominate this piece for the Most Instructional Snark of the Year Award!
Methinks the Beltway crowd doth protest too much. Hmmmmm . . .
FYI, new thread
New PW upstairs…
Currently, there are 77 pages of comments. Every one I’ve read is critical of Cohen’s delusional waste of a column. HA!
Did you catch Dean’s take on a Libby pardon?
Dean summarizes, after many tips of the hat to FDL…
“If this court stays Libby’s sentence, that will be a grievous mistake. Judge Walton has taken care to scrupulously follow the law, and he has clearly set aside the fact he was appointed by a Republican president. If the panel deciding upon the stay should overrule Judge Walton, that result ought send shudders through the land — because it will mean the rule of law has become secondary to party loyalty.
So we’ll see. I would be stunned if a GOP-majority panel or, indeed, any panel gave Scooter Libby a pass.”
Worth reading it all.
Read the Hitchens piece. He says:
If Scooter Libby goes to jail, it will be because he made a telephone call to Tim Russert and because Tim Russert has a different recollection of the conversation.
* * *
In the other two “counts” in the case, both involving conversations with reporters (Judith Miller of the New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time), Judge Reggie Walton threw out the Miller count while the jury found for Libby on the Cooper count.
Makes it sound like there were 3 counts vs, Libby and that Libby beat 2 of them. If memory serves, there were 5 counts and Libby was convicted on 4 out of 5. When did Judge Walton “throw out” the “Miller count”?
‘TF is Hitchens talking about? Is he drunk?
why stop at turning out the lights? let’s get pangloss cohen a pair of rose-colored glasses
Yes. This has been today’s edition of simple answers to simple questions. :)
beerfart liberal @ 224
Is today Tuesday? *g*
Just In: Libby’s lawyers ask appeals court to delay his sentence.
bonkers @ 166
We’ll have to let Mr. Portman know that we like our Governor Strickland very much, thank you.
Also, di dyou catch Mary Matlin’s fundraising letter for Scoots?
Among other things it says that Scoots never disclosed Valerie’s identity. Seems to me I recall that five or six people said that he told them.
Am I wrong or is M.M?
Richard and his friends are dangerous to this country. It looks like Judi Miller isn’t the only one who’s and accessory. Every damn one of these peddlers of mininformation is doing their utmost to obstruct justice. Each and all have agendas. Let’s not be so naive as to believe it is concern for Scooter. They are no friend of the people or Constitution of this nation. Do not ever forget who they are, and judge everything they add to the public dialogue with grave suspicion.
Late to the thread, but that phrase “THE DARK ART OF POLITICS”, sends me ballistic!
well done Christy!! Its a shame that Genghis Khan’s laws are not in effect seems he thought eveyone was held to the law of the land even as was he.Also and best he thought that an individual was only important to his family and that if one of say a member of a group ie Bush and co. was guilty then all got the same punishment… how niiice.
Steve @ 218
No, Steve, I was kidding. Digby is Digby.
Just like Rayne is Rayne.
Heh.
This is truly wankery even by high-wankery standards. Just jaw-dropping stuff, that.
Andy
Crikey, Christy, you cut OUT 750 words? I’ve been sitting here for four hours and I’ve produced maybe 1000 words tops! How many keybords do you go through in a week?!
Response to original post, not to the thread:
“A country of laws?” Yes, Scooter should sit in jail for a long itme. And, yes,we are a nation of laws. Too many laws, as a matter of fact. Many many of these laws are either never enforced or enforced only sporadically. Some get dragged out so that we can put bad guys in jail who are too smart to get nailed for the big things they did. Many, many others (mostly victimless crimes) are simply not enforced at all. They’re put on the books so that legislators and/or the public can “feel good” but 1) there’s no money allocated for enforcement and/or 2) there’s no way operationally to enforce them and/or 3) an actual majority of the population thinks they’re silly. A lot of these relate to 1) drugs, 2) sex, and 3) traffic laws.
Sorry, in reality this has nothing to do with the post or the thread. It’s just a comment on my state of mind today.
Keep up the good fight,
Phil
Actually,Petro, I feel bad, in a way, every time I see Hitchens on TV in what seem to be various states of shit-facedness.
rwcole @ 178
Gosh! Little Baby Weenie = Libby?
OT, but Happy Juneteenth, folks:)
Sojourner @ 49
Y’know, maybe Chairman Mao was right when he sent virtually the entire central bureaucracy from Peking to the hinterlands to do some ‘real work.’ What did he call that campaign?
In Cohen’s case, maybe he needs to do some remedial work as a cub reporter for the Des Moines Gazette, under the watchful eye of their desk editor. Send him out to do real reporting, like weddings, funerals, the police beat, with some time off for a mandated sophomore class in journalism at the University of Iowa. Requiring a passing grade before he can go back to Washington. If he can find a job in Washington.
Bob in HI
All these articles promoting a Libby pardon are directed to one person only that can affect the fate of Scooter Libby and that is George Bush. He is the only one that would actually believe any of these arguments by the conservative right columnists. They are just thumbing their noses at the rest of us. There is nothing any liberal blog is ging to be able to do or say to get them to stop or change their minds. They know exactly what they are trying to do and it has nothing to do with truth or reasoning on their part.
Bob Schacht @ 241
My undergraduate degree was in Journalism, and I have often followed its goings-on with great interest. I wrote Mr. Cohen a note this morning, and suggested (as nicely as I could) that he find something else to do… ;-)
Christy,
Great post, as always, but you neglected to hammer Cohen regarding the serious of Libby’s particular crimes. He was not simply lying about a blow job or some other inconsequential matter. He was lying to impede the investigation to discover who outed a CIA agent working on issues of paramount importance to our national security. Libby’s lies may or may not have led to the deaths of any of Plame’s or BJ’s contacts. At a time when crazies like Lieberman are arguing for military strikes against Iran, we must never fail to emphasize how the Plame leak undercut our efforts to track nuclear proliferation. The cost of Libby’s lies may well yet be measured in buckets of blood, Middle Eastern and American blood.
Isn’t it odd that 4 columnists (Hitchens, Joe Klein, Broder and Cohen) in the last couple weeks have used identical republican talking points:
–No charges on the underlying crimes
–Libby wasn’t first to leak
–Sideshow, mole hill etc
–Out of control Prosecutor
And identical factual misrepresentations:
–Ignoring the conviction on the obstruction of justice
–Plame’s cover status in doubt
The articles these otherwise “intelligent” men are writing are truly awe inspiring in their disregard of the facts. Why would they do it?
The more you look at this the more it looks like a coordinated campaign. The only thing that makes sense is that these men are being compensated in some way. Who is paying for it?
This smells like a Armstrong Williams type scandal.
Hitchens
http://www.slate.com/id/2168128/
Klein
http://time-blog.com/swampland…..ing_1.html
Broder
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02398.html
Cohen
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..=emailpage
As a practicing Realtor, I resent my profession being lumped with sex and dirty politics… I can only imagine how you Journalists feel, having folks like this Cohen claiming to be one of yours.
At least, the real estate profession has:
*Licensing standards,
*A code of ethics,
*Civil and criminal penalties when we get caught screwing-up.
Even if we only purge our ranks of the most obvious whores and cheats, it makes the rank-and-file more circumspect in their behavior. Pity that “journalists” like Mr Cohen don’t face any worse penalty than getting “flamed”!
my blog has an entire category titled “Richard Cohen is an Idiot”.
x00 @ 245
In simple English, it’s called whoring, aka selling-out.
Hokay, I sent Christy’s column to a right wing acquaintance. He seized on her writing about Judy Miller as an accessory and wrote: How does she figure that? Miller interviewed Libby for a story she DIDN’T EVEN WRITE. How the hell can she be an accessory to anything? Do we want a free press or not? Looks like the answer is “no.”
can someone with more depth in this area help me out here. How is Miller an accessory to a crime in this matter? thanks.
Riighht. There was no underlying crime.
A CIA covert operative and US asset is outted, her career destroyed and many contacts burned but there was no underlying crime.
“Who spilled the milk?”
“Nobody”
“Do I know this Nobody person? ‘Cos the milk is still spilled.”
Richard is being deliberately obtuse.
Armitage revealed Plame’s line of work but he wasn’t prosecuted because, what was his intent? Did he want to ruin her? I don’t think so. For whatever reason, he was off the hook.
But Scooter and Rove? They were part of a larger conspiracy. And the conspiracy’s focus was to discredit Wilson by outting his wife. His wife was “fair game” and just happened to work for the part of the CIA that might have not necessarily have agreed with the intelligence to go to war in Iraq.
This is what Richard is deliberately trying to obfuscate: Libby was a conspirator who engaged in outting a national security asset. He obstructed justice and protected his fellow conspirators by lying about his actions. He hasn’t been forthcoming about what he knows about the conspiracy.
But *we* know the score. And I suspect most Americans have figured it out by now. Richard is talking into a sparser and sparser public forum. No one wants to listen anymore. Of course, if Bush is going to commute or pardon Libby, there’s bloody little we can do about it. But it certainly isn’t going to happen because Cohen and O’Beirne and Kristol and Matalin and Libby’s other priveleged elite friends and neighbors think sending Scooter to jail is gauche. Frankly, most of us Americans don’t care what Richard says.
Presumably, Mr. Cohen gets a free pass, raises and goodies from Fred Hiatt for shilling this chum. Because there’s no other logical reason for Mr. Cohen’s exceptionalist rant than preserving his perceived self-interest. Preserving the rule of law is clearly not among his interests.
Interesting observation that this concerted attack on Libby’s conviction, and argument that he should be pardoned, really only has a single member audience to play to: George W. Bush.
George reads only body language, not Hitchens, Klein, Broder or Cohen. But the more background noise that’s pro-Libby, the easier it will be to sway him that a pardon is the “right thing” to do. If they succeed in that, then as with Iraq, no facts on earth would persuade him to do otherwise.
I wonder who in Cheney’s network is pulling in all these markers. Just keeping Hitchens in booze is gonna cost him a lot.
Richard Cohen doesn’t necessarily believe what he writes. He writes propaganda.
Writers of propaganda are trying to influence others. They are not attempting to tell the truth.
If you read Richard Cohen expecting honesty and sincerity, you will be disappointed every time.
He writes to benefit his masters. And he does his job well.
Yes, he does his job well. To judge Cohen and his ilk by a standard of truth is like rating wine using a scale of horsepower.
His job has nothing to do with truth. He knows it. His employers know it.
It’s time for Firedogs to get a clue, and stop trying to criticize a prostitute by claiming he has sex for money. He does. He knows it. He doesn’t care. He never will.
BREAKING — but expected. . .
THIS JUST IN!
well — scooter’s ace appellate
team just filed their notice of
appeal — we learn only a few things
from it — and i’ve enumerated them,
along with an image of the full-one
page-notice-filing. . .
Oh, well, c’mon. He lost me with sex is best with the lights out. Poor guy really needs a serious adjustment.
Looks like the WaPo took down the Cohen opinion piece. 70 pages that skewered the “liberal” Beltway pundit. He was skewered and rightfully so. In his world there are two forms of justice, one for the little people and another for the elites.
Biodun @ 66
‘Ah, smoke & drink, drink & smoke Umph! I must be a journalist, umph!’
Bluetoe @ 256
Nah, it’s still there.
rxbusa @ 255
erh — actually, that was, in his case, the
one true thing he said, in my estimation.
just look — look! — at the guy. . .
lights-out, paper-bag
on, full-on-coyote-
ugly, right!? i mean, c’mon. . .
[stop me if you don’t know
the famous joke, here — actually,
i’ll just stop me, here. . .]
he he!
end, to my uncharitable, looks-ist, comments.
The current AUMF doesn’t cover Iraq anymore since the return of sovereignty to the successor state on June 28, 2004.
Fascinating!
The rats are leaving the ship!!!
I haven’t practiced law in decades, since I switched to accounting, but when I was a baby lawyer around 1980, we took being an officer of the court very seriously, no matter which side (prosecutor, defense, civil) we were on. Although lawyering is an adversarial relationship, everyone used to understand that the lawyers had a special relationship to the court system. They weren’t allowed to lie, and they weren’t allowed to knowingly let their clients lie.
I am outraged by the idea of a high level trial lawyer like Scooter Libby even contemplating the idea of lying to the FBI or the Grand Jury. I was shocked and angered when Clinton did it, and I’m much more shocked when the subject matter is something more substantial than a personal affair.
I hope Libby isn’t pardoned, but I am much more concerned that the Bush-packed bench will reverse the conviction. A pardon suggests that he’s guilty and he got away with it. I’ll be much more concerned if a panel of judges decide that lying to the FBI and the Grand Jury isn’t that big a deal if your pay-grade is high enough.
nolo @ 259
rxbusa and nola,
Didn’t mean to diss anyone. Us older Americans have trouble with the edit function on FDL.
I looked up Coyote ugly because I never knew what it meant and now I do.
No undelying crime? No victim?
Cohen seems utterly unaware that the CIA has repeatedly indicated that Plame was covert…and the recent issuing of a declassified summary of her activities while she served at the Counterproliferation Division from January 2002 until the exposure by Novak states that she travelled abroad on CIA missions “a minimum of 7, and probably more than 10 times”.
So Plame not only travelled abroad within the 5 year “window” that triggers the IAPA (i.e. she was COVERT under the terms of the law having served abroad in that period), but bshe was quite active right up to her exposure.
Cohen, Novak, Hitchens and the rest of their ilk say that there were no “vistims” and no “crime”! What about the dmage done to US Security when Plame’s counterproliferation activities just in the prior few years were blown? What about her “suddenly” easily traced contacts? What about the agents (on other operations) that facilitated her travel abroad that were exposed by association? What about those that used the same cover businesses?
Plame herself could have been in the field when her cover was blown?
All done because this is allowable in the “dark game of politics”????
Libby knew that Plame was a CPD official, but…even inf we accept his tale…never bothered to check if she was covert or if revealing her identity to reporters and to officials not in the “need-to-know” chain (which he himself was NO) would damage any CIA operations.
Yet for 3 years he continued to hold a security clearance…in fact he may STILL hold one now! And none of these other leakers (Rove, Armitage, Cheney, Fleisher) have had their security clearances removed by this WH.
Fitz was blocked from pursuing criminal charges against others because Libby’s obstruction blocked his ability to ascertain whether Libby et al knew Plames covert involvement…and whether his classifying his documemts and placing in a safe relating to Plame was intentionally done to conceal the knowledge of his talks with Judy Miller, Cheney and others.
And remember that Judy Miller went to jail because she refused to speak with Fitz even WHEN Libby gave her a waiver! When Libby asserted that anything they talked about would not have been about Plame! But Miller KNEW…she knew that she had evidence relevant to a criminal investigation and chose to conceal it. She did so after the Courts and even the Supreme Court determined that she was compelled to testify. Not one member of that “liberal” court (not Scalia, not Clarence Tomas, not Rehnquist!) was willing to call for a review of the Federal Appeals Courts decision.
Still Cohen whimpers about the injustice of it all!
He’s right, Armitage, Cheney, Rove and a host of others should be cooling their heels in jail, TOO…but for the conspiracy of silence in this matter that prevented Fitz from discovering the facts of this case.
I have to wonder why these pundits even put out such rancid tripe? I can’t think that it is presented to actuallt sway anyone that knows anything about the case and charges.
Perhaps it’s being done as sort of a “straw poll” to see if there is any support at all for a pardon or commutation?
And it’s interesting that Cohen is asking for the latter, rather than the former…when, if he really believed it, that Libby’s statements were minor errors or failure to recall (which the 12 members of the jury did NOT believe)…or that there was a prosecution gone amok. Either would call for a pardon, not commutatiom.
Nowhere does he show that Walton’s application of the sentence was over the guidelines or beyond what others get for perjury and obstruction cases of equal nature.
In FACT, as pointed out by Walton at the sentencing appeal…Fitz asked for a minimal term and asked that the sentence be served together, rather than sequentially…which the SENTENCING GUIDELINES CERTAINLY ALLOWED!
Libby got 30 months…rather than something on the order of 120 months that Walton COULD HAVE issued.
If anyone is still commenting , as of this moment,11:21 pm EDT, there are 95 pages of comments on Cohen’s article, and from my unscientific sample, they all for giving him, what was that word, a good thumping….
There’s “prosecutions” and there’s “prostitutions.”
Then there’s “prosecutions for prostitutions.”
Oh? Richard Cohen? Scooter Libby?
Well, they’ve both definitely been, in their own way, committing “prostitution” for the pimps in the White House. Libby’s faced his “prosecution” for his “prostitution,” in which he covered for the pimps in the White House. Richard Cohen? Time will tell.
“But the underlying crime is absent, the sentence is excessive and the investigation should not have been conducted in the first place.”
Tell that to the CIA, Richie.
Oh, and Richie, where’s that after-incident national security damage assessment report that the CIA must have ordered conducted after one of their covert CIA agent’s identity was blown?
If there was “no harm, no foul” and no underlying crime committed, then this CIA damage assessment report would have been made available publicly a long, long time ago.
Since it hasn’t, Richie, then one can only presume that grave damage did happen to our national security when Valerie Plame’s name was passed around by the neo-con Republican fools as if her highly-classified covert CIA identity were snacks on a cocktail wienie party tray.
I caught several references to Froomkin’s piece today…but you missed the part that reinforced Christy’s point that all 3 (Scooter, Armitage, Rove) were calling their bestest pals around town and squeeling with the latest “gossip”:
And Ralston had some intriguing observations about the leak of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame’s identity. As became clear in the obstruction of justice trial of vice presidential aide I Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Rove’s role was significant. He confirmed Plame’s identity to syndicated columnist Robert Novak, and was the first person to leak her identity to Time reporter Matthew Cooper — who then got if confirmed by Libby.
“Q Were you aware of any communications by Mr. Rove about Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame Wilson with the Office of the Vice President?
“A You know, it is — that investigation was so lengthy that the timing of all of the conversations is not really clear in my mind. I believe he did talk to the Vice President’s Office about it, but I just don’t remember when, with whom, the context.
“Q Why do you believe that he talked with that office about this subject?
“A. I just have a vague recollection that he and Scooter Libby talked about this subject often.
“Q. Often?
“A. Often.
“Q. During what time frame?
“A. I don’t know. I mean, I — it is really hard for me to say. . . .
“Q. Do you have any information about how Mr. Rove learned that Valerie Wilson was an employee of the CIA?
“A. I don’t remember. I think I recall he heard it through gossip.
“Q. Gossip from whom?
“A. I don’t know.
Cohen has lost all credibility as a journalist. Could it be that he really suffers from dementia as some have suggested? And is it a coincidence that the Post has two other dim bulbs taking up office and print space — George Will and David Broder? What a crew of deadbeats!
“a run-of-the-mill leak…”
When we reach a point where this kind of life-threatening, career-ending exposure, at the hands of the very gatekeepers designated to protect us, can be written off as “run of the mill” we have reached a point of brainwashing that will allow many other egregious activities to slip by the scrutiny of history.
Cheney’s reputation for gravitas was never more ironically true than his leaking Plame’s name. The only weight of real power Cheney has ever actually weilded that might earn him a reputation for gravitas was profanely sacrificed to protect his Big WMD Lie.
His one abiding consolation (possibly the prize they coveted all along) is all those no-bid profits his buddies now share in their off-shore bank acocunts. And from the impotence portrayed by the new majority, it may be too late to get ANY of it back, without an act of Congress and a Constitutional amendment.
Cheney’s “run of the mill” leak was in no way run of the mill in the eyes of future historians, it constituted treason at the highest level, against not just Valerie Plame, but this entire nation and every one of it’s citizens.
Don’t give me or anyone alse any more of that brainwashing “run of the mill” BS; since when is outright treason against nearly 300,000,000 people a casual act?