Is deleting that evidence a crime? At what point does it become a crime?

Deleting the e-mails violates the Presidential Records Act. I don’t believe the act provides criminal penalties. It passed in those halcyon days when presidents, rightly or wrongly, were presumed to be law abiding.

We must forget proving scandal and impeach the SOB’s for this unquestionable violation of law, much like the feds got Al Capone for tax evasion. If we get them, it doesn’t matter we used a lesser charge.

I might add, those who are concerned that a conflict between the Executive and Congress will end up in the Supreme Court have reason to worry, not because the new Court lineup will side with the Executive, (it probably will) but because it would mean Congress abdicated its power (impeachment) attempting to avoid confrontation. That is the road to ruin. Besides it takes so long to get anything heard by that Court, you can die several times while you wait.

Christy, Before the crowd arrives, could I ask you whether West Virginia would be a good place to move to? Couple in their 60s, a scientist-turned-writer and a healer, not much cash, require organic food, etc.

Hi, I am not Christy but I lived in West Virginia for twelve years in the middle of the state, Buckhannon, WV. It was the best place I have ever lived and remains much as it was at that time. The eastern panhandle has not remained as it was. It is now a bedroom community for DC and more expensive and over developed.

Buckhannon has Wesleyan College so has an intellectual community. There is a natural foods store where one can order in bulk, Molly’s Pantry owned by a psychologist. The town is small and well placed. It is also 75 miles from Morgantown where the University of West Virginia is located. There is a thriving community of artists and alternative folks. I will be there in about a week to celebrate my birthday and retirement. Barbara

James Joyce,

Well said.. and the other difference is that they are international war criminals!

Thanks……

realworld @ 115

There is a difference in that it was proven that the 18 1/2 minutes were deliberately erased. It was only at that point that both parties agreed that Nixon had to go. We need an equivalent smoking gun. Unless someone who really knows what happened (was there, has notes, etc) turns and fesses up, I still think that gun will be the one that started the Iraq war.

So there was no provable ‘intent’ to destroy all those emails? And if so no way to assume PC? How about an appointment of a Special Prosecutor to look into the matter? Pronto.

Why waste time on this shit……… Go for the enchalada baby. Appoint a SP to investigate the stovepiping of intel leading up to the Iraq War, then compel Colin Powell to testify or put him in jail with “IBBY DIBBY” It was Powell’s presentation before the UN that was most convincing and he resigned ex pos facto for he new it was wrong from the start. Powell will bring these corrupt bastards down for I believe his loyalty is to the Constitution, not the manipulative creeps who eat their own to protect the interests of Executive Oil……………………..

Well said.. and the other difference is that they are international war criminals!

I see that the prosecutor in the Duke LaCrosse case has been disbarred for his misconduct in that case and will probably now be facing civil suits fron the three guys he charged with rape. So my question is…….when do the Bushie federal prosecutors face disbarrment and civil suits from the the cases that they prosecuted for totally political reasons. I’m thinking about the “corruption” case in Wisconsin in which a GOP fed prosecuted brought absurd corruption charges against a staff person who worked for the Democratic governor. The woman ended up being sent to prison for four months before a disgusted appeals court threw the whole thing out…..anyhow, when does that prosecutor get disbarred?

Nifong’s Bush Commonality

The disbarment of Mike Nifong for “intentional prosecutorial misconduct” when evidence failed to support the claims of the alleged victim is reminiscent of another recent event in America’s history. America’s war against a terrorist network was morphed into a war to secure a future energy source for America addiction to oil, guaranteeing corporate oil’s continued hold on the present energy delivery system, and profits…………

Saddam was a brutal evil man, who maintained power by way of American and British governments at the behest of oil interests, until 1972. In a ten-year war of attrition against Iran, Saddam murdered millions of Iraqis and Iranians at the behest of the West using Iraq and Saddam as a tool to contain the Iranians who kicked most western oil interest out of Iran.

To realize corporate oil’s goal the Bush administration also known as ‘Executive Oil” intentionally misrepresented the threat Saddam posed to America and usefully duped many Americans into the moral certainty of the Iraq invasion and overthrow of Saddam based on intelligence unsupported by fact and evidence, just like Nifong??????????????????????????????

Nifong is liable for his conduct, which destroyed the lives and reputations of young men in addition to costly legal expenses. He is being held accountable for his actions and misrepresentations. To date no one has died as a result of Mike Nifong’s “intentional prosecutorial misconduct.”

On the other hand BUSH/CHENEY et als, enabled by congress has committed the act of intentional fabrication of evidence as justification in the persecution of the Iraq War to secure the future profits of corporate oil and it bedfellows. Not only has the Bush administration usurped the rule of law in protecting the interests of Corporate Oil; they have further destroyed America’s moral authority in the world and killed hundreds of thousands of people to protect America from Terrorist or Corporate oil interests???

There is no difference between a prosecutor who commits “intentional prosecutorial misconduct” and an administration that fabricates intelligence, outs a covert agent in a retaliatory strike and initiates a war on false and misleading statements. Any person of minimal intelligence who fails to see a correlation is blinded by the servile prejudice of self-interest, which translates into affordable energy. Or maybe you just donot care!!!

Nifong’s disbarment should be followed by a Bush/Cheney impeachment and convictions on a high crime. The intentional misrepresentation of fact and evidence concerning Iraq pre war intelligence and the subsequent manslaughter and murder of Americans and Iraqi’s predicated on a lie, misleading intelligence. The same type of lies and omissions Mike Nifong committed and is now being held accountable for. America’s failure to accept this reality to date is not uncommon. It is defense mechanism/dysfunction experienced by millions of drug addicted people daily. It is called denial. Denial is usually overcome when the deleterious effects of misguided or intentionally manipulated unwarranted actions become obvious, as evidenced by Nifong’s bush commonality

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1,552 DAYZ ND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:

The corruption and dismantling of every single institution of constitutional government by the fascists is complete. The result is that even the IDEA of a democratic system of government is endanger. Any confidence that a majority of people may have had in ANYTHING that government does at any level has been poisoned. Like the prejudice of most southerners against the federals and any federal action, especially taxation, most people today are going to be predisposed to reject the legitimacy of ANY federal or state action that effects their lives. This is leveraged with the last 25 years of repetition of the theme that “government is the problem”.

This is the end…the anarchy that awaits us is the goal of the oligarchy and their political high command. Unless the Democrats can regain the confidence of a majority of voters on the issue of the war in Iraq, we are doomed to a political and economic anarchy that will make the fall of Rome look like the Renaissance.

Looking at things from this point of view, the dialogue between Brian the Shill York and Katie Sandpaper Pubes O’Beirne can be seen as a conversation the oligarchy is having with itself…indeed, most of what passes for information and analysis thru the corporate media is simple that, conversation or instructions from the oligarchy to it’s minions.

I repeat, the corruption of every aspect of our political and economic life is so extensive that any hope that some justice is forthcoming is nothing short of a dream of Xanadu by an addict with a well-stocked pipe.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…WE’RE GUNNA HAFTA TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER!!

Natural Selection Corporate Treason and “Executive Oil”

1) “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”

2) “The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.”

3) “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

4) “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

4) “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”

5) “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security”

Quotes from Daddy T. J. which are as relevent today as they were then. When the body bags start coming home in the thousands America will stir. That is why a path to legal immigration is desired so much for the corporate interests and now the military. Come to America, join the fight for oil and if you live, you can get a job at McDonals, Burger King or a gas station at minimum wage. I quess it is better than being in Mexico!!!!!!

Natural Selection Corporate Treason and “Executive Oil”

WE HAVE OPTIONS NOW DON’T WE!!!!!!

Also, just wanted to say this was my attempt at delurking, so thanks for the comments Christy and everyone.

welcome, TimE

OT.. Romney on Wolf’s show, Libby was entrapped. Prosecutor knew at the outset there was no crime, entrapped Libby as part of a political vendetta.
Are these people so stupid as to believe this BS, or are they pandering to the wingnuts?

A republican prosecuter appointed by a republican AG out for a political vendetta to make the GOP look bad. What is wrong with this argument?