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		<title>By: SB_Gypsy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-769266</link>
		<dc:creator>SB_Gypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The significant rise in the proportion of constitutional objections made by the President Bush is compounded by the fact that…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…He’s an ignorant &lt;strike&gt;treasonous bastard&lt;/strike&gt; lout who knows nothing about constitutional law and cares less.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The significant rise in the proportion of constitutional objections made by the President Bush is compounded by the fact that…</p>
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<p>…He’s an ignorant <strike>treasonous bastard</strike> lout who knows nothing about constitutional law and cares less.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-769192</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-768099&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;allan_in_upstate @ 22&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why is this taking so long?&lt;br /&gt;
The outlines of the email scandal have been known for many weeks, if not months.&lt;br /&gt;
 It’s almost as if the Democrats were the ones trying to run out the clock.&lt;br /&gt;
Are they that incompetent?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, they just know that an impeachment would be blocked by Republicans, so they’re not gonna waste their time on that — just mashing Republicans by showing the public every little dirty criminal immoral act. Next up…Abu Graib, again!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-768099"><em>allan_in_upstate @ 22</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Why is this taking so long?<br />
The outlines of the email scandal have been known for many weeks, if not months.<br />
 It’s almost as if the Democrats were the ones trying to run out the clock.<br />
Are they that incompetent?</p>
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<p>No, they just know that an impeachment would be blocked by Republicans, so they’re not gonna waste their time on that — just mashing Republicans by showing the public every little dirty criminal immoral act. Next up…Abu Graib, again!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-769153</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think if Roveco had known how difficult it is to really and truly destroy an e-mail they’d have sent all their messages by carrier pigeon. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney, of course, would have no trouble getting rid of &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; evidence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if Roveco had known how difficult it is to really and truly destroy an e-mail they’d have sent all their messages by carrier pigeon. </p>
<p>Cheney, of course, would have no trouble getting rid of <em>that</em> evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: elef</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768936</link>
		<dc:creator>elef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(At first, Dana Perino would only ‘fess up to “a handful”; then the handful became fifty; now it’s at least 88 — so far.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So maybe Dana has huge hands and plays the piano - 88 fingers for 88 keys.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I know - I’m sending this in a day too late when no one is reading this thread any more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(At first, Dana Perino would only ‘fess up to “a handful”; then the handful became fifty; now it’s at least 88 — so far.)</p>
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<p>So maybe Dana has huge hands and plays the piano &#8211; 88 fingers for 88 keys.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know &#8211; I’m sending this in a day too late when no one is reading this thread any more.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768930</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-768167&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank33 @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-768155&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sixty Something @ 73&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I want to know is whether they took a hammer to the hard drives.  If not, info is still there and recoverable.  If hard drives were destroyed, there should be hell to pay by anyone who did the dasterdly deed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Confession.  I am in no way a “techie”, but in order to destroy evidence on computers so that it is unrecoverable always meant to me to hammer the hard drives into oblivion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Otherwise, someone should enlighten me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A hard re-format should erase data, using “Partition Magic” or “System Rescue” type programs. Also make new partitions and install some other OS such as LINUX. I have heard that exposing the hard drive to a very strong magnet can clobber data. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am sure that there are specialized programs that can set every bit to zero.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And all of these would destroy OTHER data…and one would have to destroy not only nthe computers of the recipient and sender…but all the intermediate servers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bit hard. And such “attacks” would be rather difficult to explain…and there should be a record of the hard-drive “failing” - complaints by the user would be de rigeur. People are not happy when everything on their drive disappears and they generally ask techs to RECOVER the data. I’d have exzpected that in any business that used emails which had such widespread erasures that were unrecoverable that the staff would be screaming about the useless system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why didn’t the WH and RNC have a huge body of complaints about this lost data unless the deletions were intentional and systematic???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why  did they only “discover” the losses when the Congress started asking about them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And why are some emails there, and others not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-768167"><em>Frank33 @ 85</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-768155"><em>Sixty Something @ 73</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What I want to know is whether they took a hammer to the hard drives.  If not, info is still there and recoverable.  If hard drives were destroyed, there should be hell to pay by anyone who did the dasterdly deed.</p>
<p>Confession.  I am in no way a “techie”, but in order to destroy evidence on computers so that it is unrecoverable always meant to me to hammer the hard drives into oblivion.</p>
<p>Otherwise, someone should enlighten me.</p>
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<p>A hard re-format should erase data, using “Partition Magic” or “System Rescue” type programs. Also make new partitions and install some other OS such as LINUX. I have heard that exposing the hard drive to a very strong magnet can clobber data. </p>
<p>I am sure that there are specialized programs that can set every bit to zero.</p>
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<p>And all of these would destroy OTHER data…and one would have to destroy not only nthe computers of the recipient and sender…but all the intermediate servers.</p>
<p>Bit hard. And such “attacks” would be rather difficult to explain…and there should be a record of the hard-drive “failing” &#8211; complaints by the user would be de rigeur. People are not happy when everything on their drive disappears and they generally ask techs to RECOVER the data. I’d have exzpected that in any business that used emails which had such widespread erasures that were unrecoverable that the staff would be screaming about the useless system.</p>
<p>So why didn’t the WH and RNC have a huge body of complaints about this lost data unless the deletions were intentional and systematic???</p>
<p>Why  did they only “discover” the losses when the Congress started asking about them?</p>
<p>And why are some emails there, and others not?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768289</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-768236&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RickG @ 139&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Emails:  Most of chance of finding stuff is on the servers.  A bunch of these folks used blackberries, and Blackberry, especially during this time period meant Microsoft Exchange or Lotus Notes. (There’s something called a BES Blackberry Exchange Server)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Waxman and Conyers have both been advised of the Blackberry angle.  RIM’s servers located in Canada would have at a minimum a log of emails sent since the PDA/phone devices send messages to RIM servers first before they are sent to subject’s email server.  I don’t believe that RIM keeps a copy, but a log would certainly show the volume, size and senders/recipients for mail sent via Blackberry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Waxman and Conyers were advised about 3 months ago about this angle.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-768236"><em>RickG @ 139</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Emails:  Most of chance of finding stuff is on the servers.  A bunch of these folks used blackberries, and Blackberry, especially during this time period meant Microsoft Exchange or Lotus Notes. (There’s something called a BES Blackberry Exchange Server)</p>
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<p>Waxman and Conyers have both been advised of the Blackberry angle.  RIM’s servers located in Canada would have at a minimum a log of emails sent since the PDA/phone devices send messages to RIM servers first before they are sent to subject’s email server.  I don’t believe that RIM keeps a copy, but a log would certainly show the volume, size and senders/recipients for mail sent via Blackberry.</p>
<p>And Waxman and Conyers were advised about 3 months ago about this angle.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768274</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-768203&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alfred Kelgarries @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-768198&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 111&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
RUSMFELD STILL HAS A DESK AT THE PENTAGON?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s got to be illegal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McNamara had a desk at the pentagon till the day he died. I suspect this is true for many SOD’s. (ooh what a pretty acronym. And so accurate as Rummie’s treatment of Taguba demonstrated.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I swear it’s true. The comment was made in an article (Washington Post? New York Times? Can’t remember) online saying that Rummy still has a desk at the Pentagon and a staff of 6. I linked to it in a previous post on my blog awhile back and it’s now been “timed-out” and does not exist. I cannot find it online either using the search words “Rumsfeld desk Pentagon”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Weird huh? A 2007 Orwellian technique? I think so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-768203"><em>Alfred Kelgarries @ 117</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-768198"><em>Elliott @ 111</em></a></p>
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RUSMFELD STILL HAS A DESK AT THE PENTAGON?</p>
<p>that’s got to be illegal.</p>
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<p>McNamara had a desk at the pentagon till the day he died. I suspect this is true for many SOD’s. (ooh what a pretty acronym. And so accurate as Rummie’s treatment of Taguba demonstrated.)</p>
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<p>I swear it’s true. The comment was made in an article (Washington Post? New York Times? Can’t remember) online saying that Rummy still has a desk at the Pentagon and a staff of 6. I linked to it in a previous post on my blog awhile back and it’s now been “timed-out” and does not exist. I cannot find it online either using the search words “Rumsfeld desk Pentagon”. </p>
<p>Weird huh? A 2007 Orwellian technique? I think so.</p>
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		<title>By: RickG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768236</link>
		<dc:creator>RickG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Emails:  Most of chance of finding stuff is on the servers.  A bunch of these folks used blackberries, and Blackberry, especially during this time period meant Microsoft Exchange or Lotus Notes. (There’s something called a BES Blackberry Exchange Server)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never overlook what executive support admins will do to make sure their obnoxious clientele don’t lose mail.  There’s often the local replication of mail which lives locally (in a pst file for Outlook) and then server backups (data backups as well as server based mailbackups: Iron Mountain among others).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The thing about local files, and degauss etc, is that it is a lot more meaningful when each unit is a separate file.  That isn’t the case with Outlook and other email clients, they use a proprietary database type format which could be nigh to impossible to reconstruct even if you get back the bits on the disk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One other thing to look for locally on machines; a program called Ghost Explorer.  When one gets a new machine, the data gets moved, and admins who do this in bulk use Ghost or something like it.  Ghost explorer is the program that lets one look inside the ghost image of the old machine, if it was copied to the new (generally is).  If you see a little casper the ghost on the desktop, with what looks like a magnifying glass under his sheet, you have ghost explorer. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bottom line, the support process creates lots of copies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emails:  Most of chance of finding stuff is on the servers.  A bunch of these folks used blackberries, and Blackberry, especially during this time period meant Microsoft Exchange or Lotus Notes. (There’s something called a BES Blackberry Exchange Server)</p>
<p>Never overlook what executive support admins will do to make sure their obnoxious clientele don’t lose mail.  There’s often the local replication of mail which lives locally (in a pst file for Outlook) and then server backups (data backups as well as server based mailbackups: Iron Mountain among others).  </p>
<p>The thing about local files, and degauss etc, is that it is a lot more meaningful when each unit is a separate file.  That isn’t the case with Outlook and other email clients, they use a proprietary database type format which could be nigh to impossible to reconstruct even if you get back the bits on the disk.</p>
<p>One other thing to look for locally on machines; a program called Ghost Explorer.  When one gets a new machine, the data gets moved, and admins who do this in bulk use Ghost or something like it.  Ghost explorer is the program that lets one look inside the ghost image of the old machine, if it was copied to the new (generally is).  If you see a little casper the ghost on the desktop, with what looks like a magnifying glass under his sheet, you have ghost explorer. </p>
<p>Bottom line, the support process creates lots of copies.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768229</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, LL and ES!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, LL and ES!</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/18/bangin-the-gavel/#comment-768228</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Prescott Bush supported the Nazis, the same Nazis American soldiers died to save the world from, the same Nazis that tortured and murdered 11,000,000 people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW.  Valerie Plame was a COVERT CIA agent working on non-proliferation of WMD’s, and Prescott Bush’s grandson’s administration exposed her and the front company she worked for.  Just in case anyone hadn’t heard that….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescott Bush supported the Nazis, the same Nazis American soldiers died to save the world from, the same Nazis that tortured and murdered 11,000,000 people.</p>
<p>BTW.  Valerie Plame was a COVERT CIA agent working on non-proliferation of WMD’s, and Prescott Bush’s grandson’s administration exposed her and the front company she worked for.  Just in case anyone hadn’t heard that….</p>
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