Eureka! I think maybe something snapped into place for me today, though I’m not sure. I’ll let you decide.
Here’s the question: why does the Republican Party recruit and promote so many closeted gay men?
I came to the question when I was watching Lindsey Graham (whose sexual orientation has been the subject of rumors for a long time, to the point where it’s almost an open secret) on the Sunday morning talk shows yet again. There he was, spewing more GOP talking points, as he’s so frequently called upon to do.
Most of the other Sunday morning regulars have ambitions for higher office. McCain and Biden come to mind. So why is Graham deputized to work the circuit, week after week, year after year?
Because he’s safe.
He’s safe. He has no ambition for higher office. Don’t you find that curious? Why does no one ever float his name as a potential candidate, given the high profile he’s cultivated over the years?
I think it’s because everyone knows he has no such ambitions, no expectation that he’s working to promote himself above and beyond the company party. And how can everyone be so sure of this?
Because they all know what’s in his closet. And he knows they know.
Lindsey Graham is never running for national office because the rumors about his sexual orientation would get a whole new level of scrutiny, whereas now, it’s don’t ask, don’t tell. Even recent Speaker of the House Denny Hastert was never thought to have presidential ambitions. He was installed as a safe person to do Tom Delay’s bidding. There are rumors about the ex-wrestling coach, too, and last election cycle, under the threat of a real race by Blue America favorite John Laesch in 2006, they almost came to the public in the post Mark Foley environment. And I must say, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has his own rumor filled history that’s been percolating below the surface again now that’s he’s assumed his leadership responsibilities.
Closeted gay Republicans serve a very important function in the GOP ecosystem. The GOP likes to put them in key positions where they can be trusted to hold the party together among warring factions, putting a face on the party to promote the party without promoting themselves at anyone else’s expense. If they ever fail to perform the assigned function, well, secrets have a way of finding daylight when the people who keep them need to keep a man in line.
So, whaddya think of my theory? Am I on to something?
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Pach!
About yur theory…I don’t know, it’s far from my area of expertise, such as it is *g*.
damn straight you are. (pun intended) you keep this up, you’ll be qualified to be a political advisor (in the closet, of course).
This is why ancient kings had eunuchs running the harem.
Speaking of rabbits (weren’t we?):
Airport Having Trouble With Flights Due To Fwisky Wabbits!
Graham should be outed…
AS ususal YOU HIT A HOME RUN……
unfortunately it is beyone pathetic!
Larry Craig is another one. Any GOP closeted gay should be outed immediately. First of all, they openly campaign to discriminate against their own. Second, conservatives don’t believe in a right to privacy, so they have no right to a private life. Third, they don’t believe in civil liberties, so they shouldn’t expect to have fair process, since they don’t believe in it.
I have a better question. Why are Rethuglicans more likely to be closeted gay? What draws them to the party? (I’m in full Freud mode here, so things liks “strong on defense, personal responsibility, etc) don’t cut it. I’m not bradley whitford and this ain’t THE WEST WING.) There has to be a sexual reason here, what is it? Note that the DemocratIC party has plenty of gays too, just not so closeted.
Interesting theory Pach. Makes a lot of sense. But why and how do they manage to keep it such an “open” secret? And what’s his voting record and campaign record on gay issues? It would be interesting to find out.
You know that guys in navy uniforms are irresistible and not just to gals.
Interesting theory. Thinking about Gannon/Guckert, the rumours about Rove, even G. Shrub, and so on, you might be onto something. It’s really reached such extremes in our politics, that your theory is worth exploring.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 8
This is what I was thinking too. The Roy Cohn Club.
I thought once Ted Haggard was exposed the GOP was cured of closet cases.
The GOPers went on a three week retreat, and are 1000% manly now.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 8
The ReDubyacan closeted gays are intellectual masochists? I.E., they LIKE having to battle their internal sexual feelings and knowing that they play a game with extreme punishments if caught.
Just In:
Bee Die Off Is Probable Infection. Antibiotic trials to start immediately. Linky.
It is important to understand that bee die-offs happen all the time, what made this one so odd was they couldn’t find the bodies. Now they have, and we can almost certainly cope with the usual methods. (The first clue was that only some bee populations were affected.)
The sky is not falling. The sky is not falling…unless we decide to all hide under our beds. Then it might.
Heh. Fresh off the wires (as they say).
Lindsay Graham is in trouble
Pach—ygm
I agree. The Booshcons have expanded the blackmail to all members of the gov. Can you imagine the info they have on everyone now? They probably know that I prefer Oreos to Vanilla Wafers.
And it doesn’t matter how often you redecorate the closet it is still a small, dark space. Too bad.
Hi Pach!
What other reason could there be?
Does not make sense to me that gays would be attracted to the Republican Party. And then would get into semi-high positions, by supporting positions that are not in their own best interests.
I don’t know enough to judge whether Mr. Graham is or isn’t, but I trust your Gaydar…. I will never watch him the same way again. Not that I watch much of the Republicans anyway.
I think I agree that people like him should be “outed”. Not so much as an anti gay thing, but for the hypocracy. I think. Don’t know enough to know if he makes attempts to support gay rights, but if he is spewing their talking points about gay people, then he should be outed.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 8
Maybe some like being bad boys with a secret. Heightens the tension.
Is there something in their character or lifestyle that requires that they be dominated? These are order takers, lapdogs, whatever. They have to realize they are being used. If they behave, they get to exercise a little power, but very little.
Paddy @ 15
I wonder if a Democrat could win election in S.C., even if the Rethuglicans are split between their evil corporate wing and their psychotic, mouth-breathing bigot wing.
Rachel Maddow came very close this week on Countdown when Amy Robot introduced her as “our own gay bomb” — Rachel went on to discuss the stupidity of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. She characterized the early nineties arguments about soldiers caring whether their fellow foxhole dweller “was more into Lindsey Lohan or Lindsay Graham.”
I thought that was rather bold of Rachel.
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Barack Obama calls Lindsay’s outrage on the Senate floor “histrionics” although I think he was thinking “hissyfits.”
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Any news recently about Idaho Senator Larry Craig, whose spokesman says the rumors about his boss are “absolutely riduculous — almost laughable”?
Last fall, these rumors were given a push by Mike Rogers:
Where are the Log Cabin Environmentalists? Some sure sell their soul for not much.
You didn’t mention Larry Craig in Idaho.
Good to see you Rev. Deb and I have a burning question for you but no email addy. So when you have some time would you please email newspaperbrat at gmail com. Many thanks.
Wonder if that hustler Larry Flynt will open any hypocritical closet doors with his latest offer.
Followup on the Bee Thing:
1) The threat can be stopped with irradiation (UV i think) of existing hives. Such hives are no longer affected by CCD.
2) Many hives are naturally immune, and indeed are overproducing bees. Also, Australian bees and European bees are immune as well.
3) The fact that irradiation kills the problem means it is a parasite of some sort. Observers have noted that normal bee colony scavengers avoid CCD hives almost completely. They believe that this “repellent” quality of bees with the infection makes the hive repellent to bees without the disease and they migrate to other hives (thus the overproduction in some cases).
4) Science will fix this. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TO STOP TEACHING KIDS THAT SCIENCE IS AGAINST GOD, RELIGION, AND FAITH. Otherwise, one of these days we are going to need something like this fixed and there won’t be anybody to do it.
RevDeb @ 9
RevDeb,
Did you see Howie’s post a few days ago? He did one based on Barnie Frank stating that there are at least ten closeted R congress critters including 3 senators (Graham, McConnell, and Craig).
they should all be outed. personally, i would like a serious investigation into the franklin mess and the gannon thing as well. gay is one thing- child molestation is quite another.
only sunlight will expose it all.
dexx @ 30
I know I’m going to regret this,
but what is “the franklin mess”? Gannon/Guckert I savvy well enought, thenk you veddy much (barf). But the other one i must have missed…
I can’t figure out why the Gannon thing didn’t have legs like the Monica thing.
MSM perhaps?
oh. no problem alfred. google “conspiracy of silence” and prepare to be shocked. yes shocked. even now.
The monica L. thing not the monica G. thing.
Mary McCurnin @ 32
gee, Tweety seems to be preoccupied with Manliness.
snoboysdrift @ 25
Lacking a Gaydar to rely on, I went to teh Google.
Senator Larry Craig gay
377,000 hits.
Senator Lindsay Graham gay
262,000 hits.
Senator Mitch McConnell gay
123,000 hits.
So.
I call these epihames
mary, the whole reason the gannon thing had no legs is because of what would come out. its not about closeted gay men. and there is a pretty obvios connectionto abu gharib and, i suspect gonzo as well. lets not even get started on the tortured iraqi children. these types of people hide a lot under the fog of war. its the one aspect not about oil or isreal which nobody has the balls to cover.
dexx @ 33
I read about this a year or so ago. Creeped me out. I had to think that the ruling classes could not be that depraved. Now I think “Why not?”.
I really couldn’t care less about Graham’s private choices. That’s his business. But I care a great deal about his public (political) proclivities.
Grandma Jo @ 19
In pre-internet days, it was fairly common to have closeted gay people in positions of power (both Democratic and Republican) — Roy Cohn is just one example.
I think that this practice has continued for reasons that this post mentions, but there’s also another component– Lindsey won’t stray too far from the Republican fold because he doesn’t want to be outed by -them- either. If he were outed by Democrats, he could dismiss it as a partisan attack, but if he were outed by his own people, it would be the end of his career. He plays their game on talk shows, etc., being completely shameless and it serves them, but it also serves him as well.
Now as to -why- anyone would put themselves in this position: there are a -lot- of gay men (especially older ones) with an immense amount of self-loathing who will do some fairly atrocious things against other gay men in the attempts to somehow redeem themselves.
dexx @ 38
They ARE as bad as Hilter just not as successful. Suddenly I wish I was television addicted and watching something mind numbing.
dexx @ 33
But that’s ireland. how would that apply here?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 28
Great link on the bees, A.K., but I had a rather different takeaway than your hopeful one (my bold):
Yah know, I’m a BIIIGG fan of outing. No one has a right to lie, and if Lidsay and the boys are cuddling up with homophobes to grab political power, well…
Out them for the rank hypocrasy. Every. Last. One. Of. The. Closeted. Liars.
I think there’s a certain kind of gay man who is happy to play the “house homo” to gain a sense of power and entitlement in “massa’s mansion” — “a place at the table” — without having to be reveal his own orientation. Part of the assignment is to attack other gays and support anti-gay policies — which can come surprisingly easy. My partner knew a guy who worked for the Feds (HUD) in L.A. in the late 70s who was a “screaming queen” complete with pointy-toed cowboy boots and an authentic limp wrist who would say things like “I wouldn’t want my children to be taught by homosexuals.” He wasn’t being “ironic” or “witty” but serious, much to the horror/amusement of the other gay workers.
Powerful and power-mad groups always seem to attract their share of such freaks — the Republicans, the Nazis, etc., who have compartmentalized their lives and are basically deep cowards. I imagine they were raised around homophobia and socialized into the kind of self-hate that allows them to live what looks to the rest of us like hypocritical lives. They often, in my experience, don’t identify with gay culture but with power, and their self-image is (underneath the smugness & arrogance) so twisted that they have convinced themselves that other gays are the enemy rather than their true tribe.
It’s a form of sickness, but very destructive too. I say out them all.
TeddySanFran @ 44
Awesome. Now I’ll have to tell my son about the birds, and leave out the bees ‘cos they are all dead and that would completely wreck the metaphor and his perception on sex.
Aren’t organic bee colonies doing fine?
You got it pac.
Lindsay graham is gayer than Anderson Cooper’s sock drawer.
As for the rest, I’m dedicating my latest FaBlog to Gay Republicans everywhere.
hey gang. I’m at a ykos fundraiser atm with Jane.
How y’all doin’?
Pachacutec @ 50
Jealous! Where’s Kobe?
Give Jane my love!
Mary McCurnin @ 42
Exactly, Mary. Thanks for making this point.
TeddySanFran @ 44
You have to dig down into the article to see the good news. I should make clear that my uncle (now deceased) was a beekeeper most of his life in the San Fernando Valley in CA. I used to sit at the table in his farm listening for hours about the stories he told of bees. I swear he could read their minds; he ALWAYS knew if a queen or a whole hive was in trouble even if there were no outward signs. He died from a collision with a farm tractor driven on the wrong side of the road by an illegal immigrant in 1984. I still miss him. Anyway, please read further and see my second post. We are not out of the woods yet, but there is daylight at the edge of the forest, finally, in practical terms.
Pachacutec @ 50
Dayum!
Why do some gay men and women become Republicans?
1. They are born into families whose Republican voting tradition is multi-generational. So much so that it might be harder coming out to their parents and extended family as a Democrat than as a gay man or woman.
2. For die-hard Republicans, allegiance to their party trumps their sexuality. The traditions and ties to conservative politics are strong and consuming and always take precedence over just about everything.
I admit such views are hard for most people to fathom. But look at the recently outed guy who runs Tom Tancredo’s Web site, and even Mary Cheney. Perfect examples of everything Ive described here.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 43
ireland? it has to do with the franklin savings and loan scandal and the discovery channel documentary. ireland has nothing to do with it, lol. lets put it this way- those of us following the catholic church thing in horror finally realized why they had gotten away with it. the monsters in charge got a free pass because the catholic church thing, as vast as it is/was, is/was a drop in the ocean of depravity. the more research done on this the more appalling it becomes. i cannot stress this enough. NOT for the faint hearted.
They don’t care for traditional S&M.
billyjoe @ 56
This really makes sense to me.
J. Edgar Hoover was supposed to have been a closet queen. Who cares? What I care about was his evil way of running the FBI and his propensity for the use of blackmail.
I think people should out themselves when they ready, unless they are working and speaking out against gay issues. Then the hipocracy of their own life should be fair game. If you condemn others and work to limit the rights of others, but practice the same lifestyle privately, you ought to be exposed.
Me.
Hypocrisy is trans-sexual.
Pachacutec @ 50
Raising lots of money?
David Ehrenstein @ 62
Why?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
Ding!
Well pach, I have felt this was true for a long time but I would broaden the condition to something bigger than just “gay”. I want to make this clear. Gay men are not all sex addicts. I have worked with many who were not. However, just like any segment of the population the gay population has it’s share of sex addictions. Within the realm of sex addiction is a lot of experimentation. Some straight gays, some bi gays and some who are pedaphiles. Pedaphiles can be gay or straight, but they have a fetish about young people, but it is a form of sex addiction. Not all sex addicts become pedaphiles, but many sex addicts “graduate” to this behavior.
The republican party has long had rumors floating about an underground child porn ring. I do not like to start “crap” but I refer people to the Franklin Case in Omaha Nebraska in the early 1990’s and the many deaths associated with it. At the time George Bush senior was linked to this behavior through the testimony of some very disturbed teens. These teens had their credibility destroyed and the case was dismissed. One is serving time for false reporting. The case just slipped away with many questions left unanswered mostly because the credibility of these kids was so questionable. But it’s the same old problem, take sexually abused children and expect them to act normal. Most of the time they act out and once they do their behavior is used against them as grounds to dismiss the case.
I do not know how to do links so those who want to check my story, google Franklin Case Omaha Nebraska. Many deaths were associated with the case and it had a very distinguished republican party link. There was at least one big national story linking Bush to some of these parties and behavors. There have been several suicides and one plane crash associated with the story. Author Hunter Thompson comes to mind. Investigator Caradori and his son were killed in a plan accident along with much of his investigative files on the sex abuse charges. Here’s a list of circumstantial evidence that causes me to want to ask more questions.
1) Michael Jackson made a weird stop at the Franklin mansion back in early 1990’s before his pedaphile status was of question. He stopped in Omaha without performing and attended a party at the Franklin mansion. This was before the scandal broke regarding the teen boy. His visit was in the papers and can be checked.
2) Gannon. Where did he come from and where did he go. His story is very similar to that of Larry King the african american business man who sang at the 1992 republican national convention and was later convicted of embezzling.
3) The over the top reaction to Clinton. Perfect projection.
4) The page scandal. They kept the secret well.
5) the number of evangelicals caught in sex addiction who support this administration…parallel process?? We attract those who are like us.
6) The wire tapping and the evidence that it has been misused.
7) the lengths that this group will go to includes death, (unneeded war, hurrican Katrina) and sex abuse is just a step below it.
8) Authoritarian personality disorder and it’s characteristics are almost exactly the same personality characteristics of severe addicts in active addiction.
9) Larry King (not the one on t.v) was an african american republican who rose quickly on the republican scene. It was considered “strange”. Everyone wondered how he rose so quickly. He was later convicted of a scandal involving the Franklin credit union in Omaha where many people lost their life savings. (that’ll keep you quiet).
Pach, I continue to believe that this story is the one at the very bottom of the layers. I think it explains the lengths to which some will go to protect. I think many are protecting themselves and not just in regard to money. I don’t accuse all republicans of being sex addicts but I suspect just as there may be a drug connection to the republican party, there may also be a porn ring connection.
dexx @ 57
Wikipedia let me down. I know about this one. What isn’t so well known is that the death of Jon Benet Ramsey in colorado was very likely part of a similar setup for predators who liked little girls.
I found a Bee store recently in Sacramento. They sell local honey with people with allergies in mind and hives. My house backs up to the American River and when I get an extra $300 I am going to become a beekeeper. Organic of course. Sounds like an industrious thing to do, doesn’t it? But will it turn me into a worker bee?
Well, if you’re looking for Denial with a capital D, the Republican Party has a place for you. Got problems with your sexuality? Got questions you’re not comfortable with? Troubled by inner demons?
Sign up with the GOP and check your brain at the door. As long as you spout the party line and work tirelessly to destroy the party’s enemies, you’ll be accepted as a 100% normal red blooded American AND you can work out all those frustrations by taking them out on other people, like minorities, the poor, outed gays, etc. and no one will look into YOUR closet.
Who’s your ‘Daddy’ party? C’mon – you know what you’re looking for, and It’s Okay If You’re A Republican!
Aravosis asks: How does DADT not apply to Lindsey?
While I think you have one half of the equation, Pachacutec, you need to explain the second half. What’s in it for Graham, et al. There’s something they get out of the arrangement. But what?
Yes and if they fail to perform their function…well Karl Rove would have this to say about that…”We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!’”
lilybelle @ 72
You mean like getting to be a senator? :)
Hey Pach –
Interesting theory, but I think it’s too clever by half. The Rethug leadership isn’t that bright.
My guess is that anyone who can spew the BS GOP talking points will rise to the top of the party — and who is more adept at hypocrisy than closeted gay Republicans?
I mean, there are rumors of Bush having multiple gay lovers:
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“I’m also most appreciative of the Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee for being here. I’ve known Mayor Ashe for years and years and years. And he has done a fabulous job of being a fine public servant in Knoxville. So, Victor, thank you for coming.” — (George W. Bush, 2001-02-21) about the openly gay mayor of Knoxville, Victor Ashe (click to see photo) whom he used to live with and who visits often for sleepovers, and with whom he goes on vacations, without his wife Laura. Note the gushy, campy language. “I want to thank my old college classmate — you used to call him Bulldog, we call him Victor — the Mayor of Knoxville, Mayor Victor Ashe.” ( George W. Bush, 2002-10-02)… Same nickname Jeff Gannon has.
According to Senatorial candidate Ed McAteer, Bush and Ashe had a 3-way relationship involving bondage and sadism/masochism with an African American woman in Tennessee in 1984. They paid her $15,000 for the three encounters.
“Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. My cabinet could take some pointers from watching that show. In fact, I’m going to have the Fab Five do a makeover on [Attorney General John] Ashcroft.” — (George W. Bush, 2004-03-25)
Why is Bush so hostile to the idea of gay marriage? Perhaps because until 1987, George W. Bush was gay. According to a group of 29 Yale classmates who comprise Gay Ivy Leaguers for Truth, Bush was “known to be at least sexually experimental throughout his time in college.” One of Bush’s alleged former boyfriends, Anthony Berusca (class of ’70), told The Dallas Morning News that Bush was “deeply conflicted about being gay, even somewhat self-hating.” Berusca is convinced that this conflict led to Bush’s drinking problems, but describes the President as a “gentle, caring lover.” In 1976, the Bush family arranged for George to join Worthy Creations, a church group in El Paso that focuses on converting homosexuals through faith. A year later, Bush claimed to be straight, born again, and engaged to Laura Welch.
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Ok, so they got to be senator because they’re closeted gays???? No. My question is what do they get out of being the ideology enforcers for the party.
AreJulie Waters @ 74
lilybelle @ 76
Sorry :)
The party gets a patsy whom they can throw to the wolves if they need to divorce themselves from their public face. Graham gets to keep from being outed.
Bingo! or is is Boing
lilybelle @ 72
Crumbs of power, knowing silence, and protective cover until the time comes when they too are deemed expendable.
Some people are bought too easily.
Bluetoe @ 78
Boingo!
You knew it was coming.
Maybe the perk for Graham is having relations with people at the very top.
My favorite closeted Rethuglican is that twit from NC — Patrick McHenry. He’s so dumb that there’s an investigation about his “housemates” illegally registering to vote in NC (during a close primary he was running in). One of the kids was a student at UT-Knoxville at the time….not exactly commuting distance to Cherryville, NC.
He’s such a hypocrite — would love to see him “revealed.”
OT, from the Lexington Herald-Leader today: Creationist group suing creationist museum
Jane (nyc) @ 82
I don’t know his status, but he sure is dumb. Like a bag of hammers.
And a whiney little creep, to boot.
If I recall, in Blinded by the Right, David Brock has tried to explain what drew him to being a Rethuglican attack dog when he was closeted. There’s definitely some kinky dynamic here of trying to get the big Daddy of the so-called Daddy party to love you.
newtonusr @ 84
And he looks like another one of the KKKarl clones…
dakine01 @ 86
Funny, but true. Rove, Sampson, Griffin. McHenry. Maybe not so funny.
Not only do you have a good theory about Republicans, you might even be offering a good socio-biological theory about persistence of homosexuality in human populations.
The problem of course is “why wouldn’t homosexuality be selected out of the gene pool”, and the traditional answer (one of them anyway) is that gay men and women might support the survival of nieces and nephews.
We might add to that… “as long as they are kept within the community” close enough to be of some value, and not booted out entirely.
Thus even the closet has genetic fitness value in this model…. keeping high functioning nonbreeders around has always been valuable… keeping them under control by threatening to ostracize them has always been valuable too.
IF (IF IF IF) that is how we are programmed to treat homosexuals, then BY ANALOGY and SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY, the Republican party is engaged in a similar sort of game (it DOES call itself the FAMILY values party), keeping the useful gay uncles and aunts around, but keeping them under control, enforcing the closet IN ORDER TO keep them under control.
That’s good for them because they do useful things for the group, without actually threatening the (reproductive or whatever) power structures that REALLY matter to the group.
Of course there is no issue of genetic fitness here… (Congress is not a family)… but we would merely need to hypothesize that social organizations function on the archetypal tribal/family level, even when they are no longer actually tribal or family based. If we make that assumption then we could see that the secret gay uncles and aunts of the Republican party are filling the useful historical role that (MAYBE! who knows?) gay and lesbian folks have always fulfilled in human societies.
Just another way of looking at those sick and fun folks we call Republicans and fascists.
Yours in evolutionary and metaphorical speculation,
Mike
newtonusr @ 87
Don’t forget AL-VINNN!
Mary McCurnin @ 81
If by “very top” you mean “the very tippy-top,” well — ewwww!
Jane (nyc) @ 82
Patrick McHenry’s houseful of lads.
billyjoe @ 56
Right. Gay men and women become Republicans for the same reasons anyone else becomes a Republican.
Folks, I have bad news. Al Quaeda has been supplanted by a new terrorist organization, whose existence President Sarkozy has direct responsibility towards: CRAV.
Shorter Version: Economically Desperate French Winegrowers Threaten Terrorist Action!
(hic) linky!
TeddySanFran @ 90
But is the “very tippy-top” a top or a bottom?
Mary McCurnin @ 94
Brain Bleach On Aisle Four, Stat!
I think it’s like foreign agents trying to ‘turn’ people when they see a perceived weakness. You see a guy who could be useful to you, find out he’s a closeted gay, take photos etc., and you use this to turn him.
Pach, I have some very mixed feelings about this column. Any gay republican who is in the closet is being extremely hypocritical and is in a serious state of denial. Any who are vocal or active on anti-gay issues ought to come out or shut up and it is legitimate self defense IMO to out them if they don’t do it themselves. It is pertinent to a point they are advocating. I leads to questions about motive that are very relevant. However, unless they are actively engaged in anti-gay activity I think it is as wrong to out them because they are rethugs as it would be to out anyone else.
At the same time I find it very interesting that there are so many gay rethugs. Is it a self-hatred thing? The party of evil does indeed exploit them well.
Margot @ 96
This was the argument made by the Hoover FBI and the anti-communists, that gays could be blackmailed. Perhaps it’s been perfected, as a means of control, from within the GOP organization. Much better to find an up-and-coming young closeted gay politico to bring into the fold — much more easily controlled.
Does anyone really doubt the NSA wiretapping has been misused to spy on political targets by this Administration? Isn’t it the natural extension of everything we know? And the clear reason for their secrecy about the programs the President hasn’t “confirmed?”
TeddySanFran @ 98
And this is where the whole Comey Ashcroft and Dirty Thirty at DOJ does make a bit of sense. They had swallowed a number of camels before, but something about THIS program (and we have recently had a DENIAL from within DOJ, publicly issued, that Gonzales claim that the publicly known program WAS the one being problematic; the statement indicates it was ANOTHER program) stuck in their craw.
Perhaps they realized that a machine set up to gather dirt on one side can, like any edged weapon, work equally well in the hands of the other side. And perhaps they felt THEY had more to lose?
realworld @ 97
Being a member of the Republican party in the 21st centurty is anti-gay activity, as far as I’m concerned.
The Creationist Museum ought to have an Adam and Steve exhibit for all their gay Republican contributors.
Fern @ 92
Right. Go watch “Trembling Before God” , a fascinating documentary about orthodox Jewish gays… the feeling of belonging to a community… even one that rejects an essential part of who you are… keeps people coming back to their “home.” And “home” keeps slapping them down.
However, I find that easier to understand for Orthodox Jews than I do for the identity of being a “Republican”… which in the end is just a silly fascistic political party… but maybe for some Republicans it really is something that drink with their mother’s milk.
Okay, venturing carefully into questionable waters here….
Weren’t there some persons of Jewish descent who LIKED the nazis, even liked the antisemitism, and hid their own past to do so? I’ve heard this many times, but usually from antisemites, so the sources are questionable. To me, this might have some relationship to the question of how gays can convince themselves to work for the Rethugs…
Republicans are then the most perverse asshats ever. They create secrets that need to be kept so that the people with the secrets can be used. They steal, torture, lie, kill and maim because they must like it and they are greedy. Because they have never been true to themselves they are also paranoid. They have too many people to keep in line and to many lies to cover up. It will always come unraveled. Many will suffer for it. Many will die. When they are deposed the most powerful of them will go home to momma and pout because they are never sent to jail were they belong. They make babies with women they are forced to marry and it all starts over again.
Or am I crazy?
David Ehrenstein @ 101
The Mehlman Wing
David Ehrenstein @ 101
Speaking of which….
THERE’S TROUBLE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN! IT INVOLVES MONEY AND POWER!
Enjoy the snark!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 106
did I miss something? I thought I just posted that up at #83.
TeddySanFran @ 105
707!
Isn’t that how the mob works? Mary at 104?? I think it all much bigger than just gay or straight stuff. Much bigger. The Iran Contra stuff had big deep claws in the drug trade. It’s the same guys. Drugs and sex…and what else?? Funny that they are all religious and straight laced, and clean faced, sober dudes. It’s like the white picket fence for the mobsters. I think the link can be made factually and that it’s time to speak it. If you find that I don’t return to this site after several weeks…someone come looking for me, will you?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 103
Well, internalized homophobia can be pretty powerful…
Same as internalized whatever other societally induced prejudice one has absorbed.
Never underestimate the power of self-loathing.
Isn’t Mitch the Bitch married to a nice Asian lady?
dakine01 @ 107
you did. my bad. (hangs head in shame.) I’m trying to do too much at once here…
katie Jensen @ 109
send jane your personal data. we will start searching in a body, all 2 million of us, if you aren’t back in two weeks.
Fetal Farmer @ 111
I don’t know if “nice Asian lady” is an appropriate term but he is married to Elaine Chao, Chimpy’s Secretary of Labor. And Toothless Mitch is as much the Senator from Big Bidness as he is from Kentucky.
dakine01 @ 114
I know someone who had to deal with Ms. Chao. “Nice” is NOT the applicable term. “Flaming Rethuglican Harpy From Hell” is slightly closer, but only slightly. Shudder.
katie Jensen @ 109
There is a rigidity in these people that is disconcerting no matter their sexual orientation. They have to play the saddest, longest games to get off.
I fear that knock on the door in the middle of the night, too. Or am I just crazy? I hope I am just crazy.
Mary McCurnin @ 116
You’re not crazy. You’re just early. If the Democrats win the next election with the wrong candidate, THEN we ALL have to start worrying…
Nietzche’s Theory of Priestly Morality is my guess for a closeted gay person the reason they stay in the closet is they want to fit in which is an Authorative Personality trait. The Repressed Republican Gays like Tweety with the man crushes resent that other people are free they disgiuse there resentment as hatred of sin. But it is really a hatred of people strong enough to judge good or evil for themselves and partake of pleasure openly even against public opinion. There are a lot of free market republicans who think getting rich without any moral consideration as to how they get rich shows how free they are of morality. Fred did not mean NO morality however just that you as an indivudual should choose for yourself and not follow the herd.
Mary McCurnin @ 116
I think many of us have some concerns about the middle of the night things which is why we’re connecting in many ways so that others will notice our “disappearing”.
(taking off tin-foil hat now)
dakine01 @ 119
Tin foil hats not needed in most of central and south american for the last thirty years (”The dissappeared”) and a significant number of the clowns who thought that garbage up and ran it from behind the scenes are heavily involved in this administration. An interesting number are hooking up with Fred Thompson.
And let’s not even start on Northern Ireland…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 120
Ah, so Negroponte and Abrams have made their choices in the upcoming huh?
things come undone @ 118
Is this, then, the source of their fear of the PRIDE parades, the Gay Marriage, the adoption by gay families, the mainstreaming of gay families, politicos, entertainers? That they will have lived a life in the closet for nothing, as out gays assume respected, powerful roles in society?
cheers to Pac and Katie Jens – I fear the rabbit hole goes very, very far down. Gannon/Guckert is a promising lead, deep down through the grey and into the black.
if anyone want to take the red pill and explore further, there is
http://rigint.blogspot.com/
bone chillingly horrifying, if even 1% is true. I don’t advise it, if you are enjoying the daylight, but there is a ton of research on there.
dakine01 @ 121
That’s the rumor in the dark and dangerous waters where the spook floats. Keep an eye on their names in the media for the next month, particularly if Thompson announces.
Pachacutec, why would you want to lower yourself to republican standards and ask such a question about someone’s sexual orientation? So far in this government just about every closet homosexual who has come out/been exposed has been a republican, and we know republicans are hypocrites. Linsey may be gay–may not be gay. Who cares? First, he is a lousy senator and leader. And second, he hasn’t a clue what to do about Iraq or any of the other messes BushCo has created. Linsey is irrevelant, period. If the guy or gal who can get us back to the America I know and love is gay–okay fine. Why bring republican tactics into the mix? We’ve got enough problems without focusing any of our energy on someone’s sexual preferences.
I’m guessing Repressed Gays join the Republican Party because they need to belong to a group and since their so desperate to belong they will do anything. Which in a morally bankrupt group like the Republican Party a willingness to do anything will take you quite far.
cancer_cures @ 47
How did bees get in the lesson in the first place? The sex life of bees would encourage adolescent girls towards grandiosity (their role model is the queen bee), but would scare the bejesus out of little boys (male bees don’t get any sex at all as slaves, except for the princely ones who get about an hour to find the date of their lives, and then they die soon afterwards, whether they get the hot date or not.) Wouldn’t it have made more sense to talk about, say, the birds and the rabbits?
Not entirely seriously,
Bob in HI
Pachacutec @ 50
You can log onto FDL through an atm machine? Wow! How did you do that???
Bob in HI
sporkovat @ 123
Old news in some quarters. Kennedy was going to dismantle the MIC the way he and bobby were doing the Mafia. The MIC struck first. Then they killed Bobby when it looked like he might go the same way (anti-vietnam, anti-war, remember? the kennedy money is in real estate and other stuff, not MIC). I think they killed MLK just to throw the investigators off the scent, and as a warning not to press them too closely. The real tip off was the fact that the witnesses kept dying, until they were all dead. The only real question is, was there a witness who kept quiet, who said nothing, passed the info down to a child with legal verifications, and when all the ones who ran the job are dead, the truth will then emerge? we will see…
TeddySanFran @ 122
DING! DINGDINGDINGDING!
Bob Schacht @ 128
A Trash-80, Edward Furlong, and a hot-wired iPod. WiFi helps but is not essential. :>:>
TeddySanFran @ 100
Couldn’t agree with you more.
What about the famous (infamous) Congressman David Dreier? Another closeted Republithug who lives with his openly gay chief of staff. What is wrong with the people of California that they keep sending this lying gay man back to Washington where he can spew his vile at other gay people? You can stay in your closet but DO NOT use your power to hurt other gay people. When that happens you should be OUTED. Dreier is sure one of those that need to admit their sexual preferences.
FYI, new thread
dakine01 @ 107
I thought maybe I was hearing an echo.
Bob in HI
Oh yeah, I definitely think you’re onto something, Pach. Cripes, and so many of them are Southern, too!
I have long contended that this administration maintains power and loyalty through blackmail thus the pre-occupation with secret surveillance. The threat of outing is just one more tool. The bigger question to me is how do these creepy people , Graham, McConnell, et al continue to be elected in the hyper-homophobic South?
TeddySanFran @ 122
Subconcious fear they have blind spots they can’t think about Tweety I’m sure would say he’s straight and is neutrel on the gay issue but he sure hates liberals the “left coast ” etc and he never thinks anything is strange about HIM going on about how Republican men look. Yet because liberals are associated with the sin he hates he never finds liberals attractive and finds nothing strange in STILL obsessing about Bill and Monica even though its been what 10 years? or so. Remeber what Bill and Monica did was FORBIDEN and WRONG so for a closet case like Tweety obsessing/thinking about 2 people doing what he never had the guts to do (not be straight but go against authority and be bad) probably gives him thrills. Auggh! brain bleech my eyes I don’t want to see anymore!
Alfred @ 129 ..
MIC is one layer …
Did you see the postings by R J Hillouse here the other night?
you might like her site , http://www.thespywhobilledme.com
for those who remember what the dire wolf Negroponte and others were up to in the 1980’s, and then combine that with the rise of Private Militaries in this country, well indeed it is not conducive to sound sleep, especially if there happens to be a major incident of false flag terror in this country.
(not saying there was or anything, so don’t delete me, mods)
The closted gays in GOP can’t measure up to “real” men and “real” women. These gay men and gay women are esconced in the GOP because they couldn’t take the pressure in the Democratic party. The GOP’s are wimps and have to play with their own kind in the party of wimps who pretend to be men and women of the straight persuasion. They don’t have the credentials to sit with the Democrats. They are big into pretend. Wearing uniforms and playing war from a safe distance, all the while keeping keeping their gay comrades close at hand. They are sick phucks. I’ll bet you could name 50 closted GOP people in power without batting an eye. Why are they allowed to continue with this charade, all the while trying to tar Kerry as being French?
Slightly OT — the Wiki article on the Gay Mobster in the Sopranos mentioned “Johnny Boy” D’Amato, a gay mob boss of the New Jersey DeCavalcante crime family — which is way cool, because the story of this family is the basis of many Soprano plot lines.
I have never loathed anything on Firedoglake before. The post running on republican house boys is just like reading one of those gossip newspapers next to the check out stand. Please get back to the Scotter Libby pardon..this topic is why the left is sterotyped and hated. Fodder for Red bloggers…dumb, dumb, dumb.
This post seems like an attempt to keep the rumours afloat about a few closeted gay congressmen. The part about a “theory” seems a bit disingenuous to me. But if you really want to know what we think, my opinion is that there is not an effort afoot to recruit and advance closeted gay republicans, although sometimes they do rise to positions of power, and this makes them more vulnerable to blackmail, from both within and without.
My take on it is that closeted gay males are used to living with lies, a dual reality existance, and that makes them ideal purveyors of the Rovian denial of reality – Since they are all about lying about what they really are, to lie about everyone else’s reality is second nature. A sad, cynical life.
Its up to gay people to deal harshly with these damaged people who are helping destroy our country, by outing them relentlessly and without mercy, just as it is up to Italians to deal with the Mafia by refusing to allow them to be glamorized and refusing to grant them legitimacy, and as it is up to Jews to fight against A*P*C’s disasterous effect on our politics. And its up to Catholics, okay you get the point.
As George Carlin said, its okay to criticize your own guys.
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dexx @ 30
I so agree with you on the need for a deep investigation into the Franklin mess. I’ve held a theory for a long, long time that the key to a lot of what’s been going on can be tied back to the Franklin cover-up. I think a lot of people in DC have a lot of secrets about others in DC that they’re holding over their heads. As far as I’m concerned, hold an honest investigation into the Franklin cover-up and everything will finally come tumbling down.
Late to the party, sorry.
But this topic is inappropriate for this blog.
Bwa-hahahahahaha. Just had to say that, Pach.
I think you are on the money, but the dynamics in play are similar for the “good girl” and the “step-and-fetch-it” models as well. They lack the self-esteem to see themselves as anything but utilities to others, are willing to settle for the next best thing if they can avoid being questioned about their gender and race, just as in the case of the “house boy” model they avoid being asked about their sexuality.
Is it really much different in the corporate world, either?
There’s a deeper question we need to ask and answer if we are going to encourage a sea change in how minorities transcend the glass ceiling at which they stop, often willingly. Why does society still question a candidate’s sexuality, gender or race if they are an American citizen that other qualifies them under the terms of the Constitution? what do we do to reprogram adults and educate children so that they never believe they must settle because of the sexuality, gender or race?
We’ve stepped backwards, not forwards in the last 6 years.How do we fix the mess that has f*cked up the Justice system and likely the rest of government, as the complaint letters about Bradley Schlozman’s performance in the DOJ Civil Rights Division give witness? Schlozman was surely leaning on gays and gay-friendlies if he was leaning on women and persons of color.
And an aside for paulie: A gay man asked in this post why a closeted gay has allowed himself to be co-opted to the detriment of other gays; if you cannot understand how this absolutely is not gossip and essential to understanding the toxicity of the current Republican Party and the Bush administration, try modeling this another way by inserted the word African-American for gay or woman for gay or Jewish for gay or pick some other minority group label. Why would any minority member sell out and roll over on the rest of their minority group, and for that matter, on all other minority groups?
Is the Republican Party today, straight or gay, black or white, male or female, really just “I’ve got mine, you can go to hell”? Because that’s what this post is really all about.
If you can’t grok this, you are not forced to read this post. Skip it and move on.
Pach, you’re theory is dead-on and it should also be mentioned that the GOP can blame “the gay” when the time comes too, meaning, they don’t have to walk away feeling any guilt of their actions because it’s now on the shoulders of “the gay”.
This could explain why Bush put Condi, Gonzales, and Powell in high places too. The future will report that it was a black, a Mexican, and black that were spreading lies and covering up crimes and not those “squeaky clean” white boys in the White House.
See? There are no accidents when the republicans are in control. Everything is well planned and evil.
About Lindsey Graham’s ambitions– he wants to be in McCain’s cabinet.
I think Pach is on to something here.
This is not National Enquirer rumormongering.
Pach has advanced a legitimate theory about an important issue for our time, eminently worthy of scientific inquiry.
I hope we get to see further research from Pach into the Republican closet gay phenomenon.
Maybe even a scholarly paper?
.
It’s ALL about swearing loyalty first.
Everything else – gender orientation, addiction, hypocrisy, etc – comes in second to hiding-and-hating in the service of the Leader.
And, as we’re all seeing for ourselves – The “Do As I Say, Not As I Do” crowd comes in a wide variety of styles.
The primary character warping, imho, is due to shamed-in self-hatred from an Authoritarian (most typically a parent,) which is then unconsciously projected onto ‘others.’ It’s a means of submissively ‘pleasing’ or gaining the favor of the ‘power people’ within the Authoritarian ‘loyalty’ model.
GOP = The Pink Tringle Boys
Katie Jensen at 67: I’m glad to know I’m not wearing this tinfoil hat alone. I’ve been telling some of my friends for a long, long time that I think a lot of this is tied to the Franklin cover-up. It could be what’s keeping Bush from getting rid of Abu G and many, many other things. They’ve all got information about each other that could bring them all down at once, IMHO.
Lindsey’s gay? Fabulous!
Secrecy is a big part of Skull & Bones and other unhealthy organizations, like teen age gangs.
They all have the goods on each other and this forms the basis of their loyalty to the group.
We’ve all seen how loyalty to a secret organization can lead into a criminal conspiracy.
Individually, they’re just a bunch of privileged rich kids.
But acting together, aided by their wealth and connections, they’re capable of immeasurable
damage to the civilized world.
This wasn’t a harmless panty raid, was it?
.
My congressman, Mark Kirk, Illinois-10, an ex-NAVY intellegence officer, is – supposedly – gay.
Married, no kids. What IS it about Navy men?
I’ve always thought of the GOP as the “old boys’ club,” but “gay boys’ club” might work, too. And why do gay boys get sucked up into the Republican Party machinery? Well, no one ever became a Democrat in order to attain dignity and respectability. Democrats aren’t always lefties, but we sure are far from the striped-suit corporate boardroom set. Want a party that puts a premium on obsessively compulsive good grooming? If you’re a gay boy who spent the last half hour in front of the mirror forcing that last stray hair to submit, then the GOP will be happy to use you like you want to be used!
Hmm. Lots of disempowering stereotypes in this notion, but that doesn’t make it untrue.
denny hastert? i just threw up in my mouth…
Georgie is a Girly-Man! LINK
phoebes @ 155
I had never heard about Mark Kirk being in the closet, not even a rumor! Barney Frank said he thinks there are around 10 closet cases in Congress now and I’m not sure if he’s counting the ones who have already been publicly outed like David Dreier (R-CA), Jim McCrery (R-LA) and Larry Craig (R-ID). But Kirk… I’ll have to add that one to my list of people to investigate. (Although I just noticed that his voting record on gay issues isn’t good but isn’t as brutally homophobic as most Republicans’.)
Howie, it seems to be an open secret here in the district.
phoebes @ 160
I just got a confirmation from a good source who also says that Kirk doesn’t really deserve to be outed because he hasn’t been homophobic.
Equal to state bloggers in Virginia who hammered George Allen in ‘06, South Carolina bloggers need to incessantly post about Lindsey’s sexual orientation.
Time and time again.
Oh, and sign in Wikipedia and write about the long-running rumor; if would be nothing but the absolute truth.
I’m probably just exposing my naiveté, but I can’t escape the notion that the strategy outlined by Pach is going to lash back and thwack the Repugs in the butt, and hard. Just as they’ve found it difficult to allay the animus against brown people they’ve aroused via their anti-terrorist crusades, they will (I predict) find it impossible to ameliorate the enmity they’ve invoked and directed against gay men.
I personally have no beef with gay men and I certainly think they’re as entitled to work for Repugs as anybody else. Nevertheless…I think that the Party Chieftains, if not their houseboy underlings, are (sooner rather than later) going to have to deal with the consequences produced by their: a) on the one hand, reassuring their base over and over again that the gay man is a harbinger of social decay and disease, is the dedicated opponent of everything that is decent and pure, is the veritable Devil’s Best Friend, and b) on the other hand, palpably basing their party iconography more and more on the gay man’s porn.
(Should the statement situated immediately above strike any reader of it as homophobic, let me ask: How else do you explain Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” codpiece? How else do you explain the incredible cluster of concepts that are even now beginning to attach themselves to Fred Thompson’s coat-tails? How else do you explain the peddling of Giuliani as “an authoritative Daddy-figure”? Hunh?)
Like Digby says…live by racism, die by racism. (Make sure that all the white folks in America are scairt semiconscious of brown people and the white folks in question are not going to find themselves inclined to distinguish between brown people who hail from Afghanistan and brown people who hail from Mexico or Guatemala.) I think Digby’s statement to be so valid that I believe it carries with it certain correlaries which are also (inescapably) valid. Live by racism, die by racism. Live by sexism, die by sexism. (Promote the notion that women are pets at best and at worst figure as some kind of unpleasant scenery and you will find yourself unable, like Rush Limbaugh, to pursue a committed relationship with anyone but your cat.) Live by homophobia…but you get the idea.
You cannot, out of the one side of your mouth, declare gay men to be agents of the Apocalypse, and, out of the other, murmur seductively to them that they’re more than welcome to act as agents of the G. O. P. Be your tongue how forked soever, one part of that two-sided declaration is bound (sooner rather than later) to invalidate the other.
It’ll be interesting to see which aspect of the Double Declaration will ultimately win out…
Oh, and here’s a theory of why gays become the “mouthpieces,” sort’ve speak for the Repugs.
They like to see how many dumb blind voters they can fool while pretending to be the moral pillars of their community.
Kinna like the same reason some people love to to take roles and become actors. Live a vicarious life you might desperately want but can’t have. So while “pretending” you get to shed your dark secret and be someone else, if only for a little while.
Republicans have insured that American women have no right to privacy.
Republicans thus, themselves, have no right to privacy.
Air out ALL that dirty laundry.
newtonusr @ 87
Boys From Brazil? anyone recall the movie? did it really happen?
Hollywood did warn of it.
Arnie @ 166
Hope not. There could be other Shooters out there.
I could only slog through about half of the 160 comments, so perhaps this point has already been made… but it seems to me that it is only since the end of the ’60s and Stonewall that there has been the assumption that “gayness” somehow automatically places someone “on the Left.”
However, if you can put that assumption aside and just look at someone’s values and goals on their own (sexual proclivity aside), why wouldn’t many gays be “conservative,” and thus identify with the GOP? Sure, they have to put up with a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and look the other way when the conservative demagogues are flailing gay marriage,etc., but many gays’ dreams are of a petite bourgeois nature.
Pardon the stereotypes, but if you are a successful interior designer or fashion designer or, uh, politician, your client base is rich people who you want to keep rich so they can keep hiring you and, hopefully, make you rich as well.
Mix a good helping of self-loathing into it all and you get hypocritical gay Republicans.
It’s obviously been this way for years. Now, what about that other oxymoron, “The Black Republican”?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 36
Sorry, but this misuse of Google stats always irritates me. The first search gets way more hits because Larry is a common name. To get anything more meaningful (and none of this is at all scientific anyway), you need to put the names in quotes. So we get:
therefore McConnell has been outed the most? No, because many of those hits will just refer perhaps to anti-gay legislation, and McConnell has maybe been more active, or may just be a more high-profile pol now. So we try:
OK, what can we deduce? The winner is, ta-da, Lindsay Graham! The reason? The hits mentioning “gay” are 29% of the total, as opposed to 23% for McConnell and 20% for Craig. I know, I know, I need to get a life. But please can we stop doing the Google searches without quotes around the name?
BRILLIANT!
You’ve re-formulated the witch-hunt, gave it a gooey, smeary center of homophobia, and wrapped it in a crunchy, hypocritical candy coating.
Well-done, left blogosphere, well done!
WG
Let’s not fail to mention a new rising star in the GOP, Florida Governor Charlie Christ…a new fake girlfriend, a fake paternity suit, a secret boyfriend who is also a convicted felon…our eager to please new governor has is like so many of the closeted gays in the GOP life: a great future if he just pretends to be something he is not. A core GOP value: lies, lies, lies….
I’ve long had the theory that George W. Bush (like his brother Neil) was caught on film by the Red Chinees having sex with Chinese prostitutes.
Back when Bush Sr. was Ambassador to China in the late 1970’s son Dubya, still single and known for his wild partying and boozing (if not other intoxicants) travelled to Beijing to visit Mom and Dad for a few months. He is reported to have said to buddies that he went “to date the pretty commy China dolls”.
So he WAS CRUISING…and one can bet the House that the Chinese Intelligence agencies used the same methods that a) the Warsaw Pact Spy agencies used to infiltrate Western diplomatic missions and, b) the they would find using sexual informants part of the traditional Chinese Mandarin espionage techniques.
So it’s likely that the People’s Security Agency threw Bush some bait…pretty girls, or young transexuals, and got him in a hotel with a see-through mirror. The Chinese probably know all about Dubya’s secret fantasies…as he was able to play them out in Technicolor!
Bush asserts that Chinese girls wouldn’t “go out with me”…so it’s clear he was on the hunt, and the Chinese spys would have noticed this “propenisity” of the Bush-boy to girls in Mao jackets and blue caps!
This would explain why Bush has out-Nixoned Nixon when it comes to the PRC. They are now “official” allies in the “war against terror”, he virtually kissed their garbanzos when that US spy plane was forced down in Hainan and dismantled for all its technology.
And why he doesn’t bat an eye when it comes to any Human Rights violations. ‘Course Marvin, Neil, Daddy George and Uncle Prescott are all invested heavily in China or are making money as “advisors” to mainland Chinese companies run by relatives of the Chinese Central Committee. And then there’s the fact that the Chinese are essentially buying up the US debt with all that money we are putting into their economy from the Trade Deficit!
So maybe Bush is a real “Manchurian Candidate” with red-mail being held up against him.
Fern @ 92
Yeah, I think that for many people sexuality is a loweer priority than other things. And many people who grow up in Conservative households are already sexually repressed. Straights are constantly bombarded with attitudes about “controlling sexual urges”, especially before marriage. Thus if one was gay, one would simply think that these were urges that had to be controlled. Sex isn’t necessarily supposed to be pleasurable…it’s for procreation.
Running around with girls and having sex would be discouraged, as would bragging about ones sexual exploits. Finding a niche within those Republicans who were conservative Christians would be pretty easy, ’cause talking about sex wouldn’t happen that much.
And then one is constantly hanging around a “male world”, with guys that are primmed metrosexuals.
After marriage, sex might happen less than in a true heterosexual pairing…but the other partner might not inquire about the low rate of intercourse and think her role as mother and wife were fulfilled through other tasks.
If sexual activity ever occurred it would simply be hidden, by both parties (since the other would likely be a conservative with a lot to lose if the act was revealed). It’s not likely they would have “consenting adult” sex with an “out” Democrat who would talk about it.
Rayne @ 146
I think you’ve nailed why it’s appropriate to examine such issues on this blog…since so many members of the Republican Party act against what many of us see as obvious facets of their identity. This is true of women, blacks, Hispanics, etc. They are used as “representations” of the “openness” of the Party at the same time that party is acting virulently against women, blacks, Hispanics, etc. think Coulter, Rice, Clarence Thomas, Lynn Swann, Abu Gonzalez, etc. How many of these even have used their minority status to obtain affirmative action moneys, or have acted as representatives of their minority status group (as did Mary Cheney).
The fact is the Party will fast track these folks into positions of power because they ARE icons. In the other party they are simply going to be one of millions of that group, and merit (or other aspects of electability) will trump the fact that they are members of that group.
Want power…be a mediocre Black Republican. You can even say stupid things and get away with it.
Gays are a bit different, since they aren’t held up as icons of the parties “openness” (though Dick and Lynne Cheney tried to change that for very personal reasons). But unlike other minorities gays can remain closeted, and thus if they are already born with connections to the Republicans will find it hard to deviate.
Weary G @ 171
Apparently the exploration of hypocrisy within the opposition party which held absolute power over this nation for the last 6 years is…hypocritical??
We do a pretty thorough job here of exploring Democratic hypocrites, too. It’s well past time that we took apart the hypocrites within the so-called party of Lincoln, too.
Its funny to see a straight male wake up.
Now can you openly discuss your gay phobias?
Have you ever thought about how many men touch
themselves when discussing Hillary?
Just food for thought.