Take Back America conference – and some day work as well – so I’ll miss tonight’s discussion but I wanted to encourage anyone who is in the DC area to join us at TBA. Jane is on a great panel and there’s lots of other amazing speakers – and a lot of good discussion is planned about we can in fact take back this country.
Meanwhile, I thought it might be good to update some of the stories we’ve talked about on Sunday nights. Above is a youtube clip from the series Hometown Baghdad. The team making this serial documentary about several “20 somethings” in Iraq has had to shorten the series – the situation for all the participants has gotten more dangerous as has life in Baghdad for all the residents. The latest installment is linked above – sadly it is an all too familiar tale for the people of Iraq.
The experience of Ausama as he attempts to get out of Iraq to safety is becoming familiar as well. Syria and Jordan are overwhelmed with refugees – and more are being turned away. This makes the work of groups like the Red Crescent all the more important as they attempt to aid families at camps within Iraq. COntinuing support – particularly as the situation continues to get more and more desperate is needed – and our donations are one small way we can help to counter the effects of the occupation.
While some families try to leave Iraq, one father from Basrah is attempting to get justice from the British government for the death of his son, Baha Mousa. Robert Fisk has written a particularly good column about the Mousa case for the Independent. He describes Mousa this way: “a young, decent man whose father was a cop, who did nothing worse than work as a receptionist in a Basra hotel.”
Fisk’s whole column is well worth the read but I wanted to share his closing words with you this week.
It’s all up now, of course. Iraq is a hell-disaster and the old clichés about “hearts and minds” are as dry as the sand on the desert floor. Maybe there are hearts and minds to be maintained inside the Green Zone in Baghdad or any of the other “green zones” around the Middle East where our Western forces shelter from their enemies in their modern versions of the Crusader castles that once littered the Holy Land. But the moral high ground – if ever it could have existed after Tony Blair and George Bush’s illegal invasion – has long ago been abandoned.
We will leave Iraq with all our dreams in pieces, and it will be left to Iraqis themselves – men like Daoud Mousa, carrying the grief of his son’s death with him for ever – to create a new country out of the pain and sorrow we leave behind for them.
I’m hoping that in the discussions this week at TBA, I’ll hear some good ideas about how we face this disaster – and how we can work towards dreams of partnership with the people of the world in place of the Bush/Blair dreams of conquest.
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zunoed?
Evening!
Dosed?
Who broke the margins?
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 4
Good Question? Twasn’t I!!!
Uh, if Siun isn’t here I don’t know if the correction can be made but I would wager that the first link should be called Take Back America instead of Take Bake America.
Not to be an*l or anything…
Why does the disaster in Gaza matter? In part because the defeat of the secular—and more moderate—Fatah forces could, along with the insurgents’ success in Iraq, inspire Islamist radicals in the region and around the world. Hamas is not the Taliban, and it knows that an uptick in rocket attacks against Israel will be met with a harsh response. But, as Bush said in his second Inaugural, the whole point of promoting freedom is to blunt the hopelessness and anger that breed radicalism. Gaza faces 50 percent unemployment in the best of times. Qaeda-like splinter groups that have carried out kidnappings of foreigners have already begun to appear. Further isolating the territory is not likely to fill its residents with faith in the future.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19…../newsweek/
We have a situation involving a shooter and several fatalities in Melbourne, AU. Any FDL’s there and any way to find out if they’re OK?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-…..762457.stm
I feel nauseous too.
The Middle East is ready to explode.
“OUR” dreams, Kemosabe?
I talked some with my brother this evening. He’s a plumber and he’s putting in a new shower. Well, he’s very bright, but doesn’t talk very often to people about politics, economics, philosophy and the like. He was saying how there are groups in America who insulate themselves from the rest of the scary scary world.
That’s quite easy to understand.
But then I challenged him a bit. I asked him to quickly give me a solution to the “drug war” and then the “immigration problem” and then the “energy problem”. In all cases he came to the same kind of solution I think is right.
So, I had to challenge him a little. I asked simply, “If the solutions are so easy to find then why aren’t they being done?”
The answer is clearly that someone wants their cut of the action, they want theirs and don’t care to see the ‘best solution’ put into place.
What has to occur for politics to begin to work in America?
“Our dreams”, Kemosabe? Somebody else’s dreams appear to be getting fulfilled first.
When does America get governance that works for everybody?
And we are poised to elect another Mideast hawk.
Did you guys read the article about how the price of gas & food skyrocketed after a curfew was imposed on Baghdad because of the Mosque bombing a few days ago? Not only do the Iraqis have to go 20 hours a day without electricity, but when a curfew is set, they have to wait in long lines for gas, pay a fortune, and have to give an arm and an leg (not literally of course, though, that has happened in some markets) to freaking eat!
Now, who on earth would come up with such an idea of jacking up prices on the necessities? *tapping foot & crossing arms* I think I know whose idea it was. *rolling eyes* Fascism has come to Iraq apparently….
I want to sponsor that family to come here. I wonder how one would even go about that?
Please do a reload on page, all. Formatting and YouTube have been fixed by mods. (not me). Those to whom the candle has been passed.
I have to say it blows my mind. The fact that George Bush was actually re-elected.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
There is increasing evidence from those RNC servers that he actually didn’t. Ohio was vote-jecked by Rethung hackers. I’ll try to find a linky.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 17
Linky:
http://politics.slashdot.org/p…..5213.shtml
Howdy y’all.
We should be letting lots more Iraqi refugees come to the United States.
What does Break the Margins refer to? So, that I don’t do it. Someone, please? Bob?
Loo Hoo. @ 13
Just wait until the new Democratic Administration comes into office in 2008. They will allow all the Iraqis to come to America like we did the Vietnamese. We will have “Little Baghdads” and “Little Samaras” in every major city. Think of all the greatt new food we will have to try out.
Loo Hoo. @ 14
Write to Aunt Betsy on Facebook or on Gmail. Her gmail name is supermom413. She works with new immigrants and refugees that come through refugee programs and then go to public school.
SnarKassandra @ 19
Hi Cassie! Agreed, and we should stop making so many, too.
demi @ 20
Don’t quote 5x or the one in the middle gets small. And if you quote a link then it can run out of room. That’s why we attach a link to 2 or 3 words and not a whole sentence.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 18
I had heard that. But the problem is, it doesn’t seem to be provable. Thanks. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
Bobby Kennedy Jr explained how it all happened but I don’t have the link. And a congressman from up north wrote a book about it.
Oklahoma Kiddo @24:
I would have said that two months ago. Not now. And if that IS proved, a republican ticket of jesus and charleton heston couldn’t get elected.
I wonder who’s working on the Ohio election 2004 now.
Loo Hoo. @ 27
Waxman, Conyers and Leahy. They are determined to get those RNC servers physically in their possession. I know IT guys professionally who are working on the problem.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 26
I sure hope you’re right. I really do.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 28
Conyers. That’s the one!
SnarKassandra @ 23
Thanks, Cassie. You can teach an old dog new tricks! So, do only the mods see the broken margins? Just wondering. I know you have a blog site. So, you’re the blog girl. My husband calls me the Word Girl.
SnarKassandra @ 19
Are we becoming a nation of immigrants one war at a time?
demi @ 31
Anyone with a small screen sees the margins get messed up.
Al’s da man:
It has got to be Al Gore
If he is as serious about climate change as he says he is, he has to run for the US presidency
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..43,00.html
demi @ 20
Its a very rare thing to happen so early in a thread, and the new software(?) that we have now seems to be more robust, but it used to be that if you quoted a quote that quoted a quote, … etc to about 4 levels or more, or if you put a long link into the text rather than using the “link” button to embed it into a word or phrase, then the server would freak out, and the mods would have to find the miscreant and edit their message.
In this regard, in the old archives you’ll see the word “ziggurat” a lot. That refers to a series of nested quotes. If you see a comment with nested quotes and turn it counter-clockwise by 90 degrees, it looks like a ziggurat.
Bob in HI
SnarKassandra @ 32
SnarKassandra @ 33
Me, too. I did a hard refresh and all is better.
SnarKassandra @ 23
Ah! Cassie, as usual, you’re quicker than I am!
Thanks,
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo. @ 14
The way most immigration goes? It would take years to really do. Plus they’d demand income info so you can support them as well. Sad state of affairs our immigration is in.
marshen @ 32
If I were an Iraqi refugee, the US would not be my first choice to emigrate to, all things considered.
Thanks, Bob. I’ve wondered what the Ziggga…thing was. See, I’ve never seen the word as a error message. Only as a reference to it happening. I also never seen margins busted… Maybe I’m just lucky, or, well, my guy is a computer tech…maybe, I don’t know. I’ll go with just lucky. (It doesn’t seem to be the case with other aspects of my life, but if it works here on the Lake, I’ll take it! :))
Good Gawd. In what universe does this man reside?
AMB. CROCKER: It is certainly the case that the surge by itself does not fix the problem. The surge buys time for a political process to get some legs under it, buys time for what Secretary Powell describes rightly as the buildup of Iraqi security force capabilities. The Iraqis are very much in this fight, as you know. They are taking casualties at a much higher rate than, than our forces are in Baghdad and elsewhere, and in the process, clearly, clearly learning a tremendous amount about how to deal with complex security situations. How, how well and thoroughly they assimilate all this, again, we’re going to have to see. But it’s giving them the opportunity. And then, of course, the process of reconciliation is key, and I–and we talked about that a few minutes ago. I think there’s, you know, there’s frustration on some levels, an absence of progress rather clearly in the legislative arena.
demi @ 41
Luck – and ever vigilant mods!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 33
Don’t forget the super delegates. They have enough numbers (deliberately engineered that way) to swing a deadlocked primary contest at the convention. I have begun to suspect that this is Al’s real world strategy.
To wit:
Dems battle it out on Ultimate Tuesday (or whatever they are currently calling The Day All Democratic Primaries Will Be Held Selah) and Clinton and Obama come up deadlocked, with only small change to the others who split evenly by the time of the convention. No candidate has the votes to nominate. The convention gets desperate. Al lets the right SD’s know he’d run if asked. Someone does. By then Al has his nobel and ghod knows what else awarads and simply shows up and says, “if you nominate me your candidate by acclamation, I will run. He cuts doeas with Hil and Ob and the rest, picking probably Ob as his running mate but I’m iffy on that.
And Then The Fun Begins!
Fern @ 39
Yes, Fern. And, as I said, I’ll take Luck where I can get it, but…what you said…
Who would want to come here? Well, even if so much of the rest of the world as a very diminished view of us because of our administration’s lack of morals, people still seem to think this is a good place to immigrate to. (Is that a dangling participle…sorry.)
Alfred Kelgarries, That scenario sure would upset a lot of folks, imo. Not sure if it would work, but hey, whatever it takes to get Gore in the race.
Eureka Springs @ 47
Who do want as VP?
The thing is…
Even if a Democrat gets elected, i don’t think we’ll leave Iraq.
Perhaps the Dems just aren’t used to having the political power, but they aren’t using what we gave them.
Passing the war spending bill? Pushing more money towards abstinence programs?
It’s as if the Repub inertia is too great to overcome.
Elliott @ 46
a real progressive
Eureka Springs @ 45
It gets better. The MSM trollopes promptly say, “Retread! Ran and Lost! Retread!” Al smiles that shark smile of his and rams the RNC servers info from Conyers et at right up their noses. HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN! He can say exactly what he knows to be true, and pooh on them if they don’t like it. I’ve seen eyes like his before, very rarely, on men of utter dedication to a cause who are more than willing to die to achieve it.
If I were a rethug right now, I’d fear Al Gore more than anything except the real second coming .
Elliott @ 48
Eureka Springs – reply “Bill Moyers”.
Elliott @ 47
Gore/ Feingold, of course. But Gore/ Waters has a sweet ring of justice to it.
If Gore wants it, it’s his.
Eureka Springs @ 51
Gore/Bill Clinton, of course. It’s not unconstitutional, people have checked. And rumor has it that Bill has said he’d do it just for the fun of all the Rethugs having their heads explode.
Bush’s idea of ‘Immigration Reform’ is creating a permanent Under-Class category – into which many of us, including Marshen, could get kicked if we don’t ’step and fetch it’ just the way the Elites like it.
Eureka Springs @ 53
I really like the possibility of Gore/Waters. wow. a nice idea!
Gore/Feingold is good, too, but I pick Gore/Waters.
cool.
reasoned justice, too.
InfoNut @ 47
Bite your tongue. Repub inertia only refers to how easy it is for people to buy their doctring and not have to think about things. Dems care about issues and people, not just what’s good for them. See the difference? What works for ME is so much easier for most people to grasp as opposed the the philosophy of caring for the Many. Oh, all of those pesky issues…health care for all, human and civil liberties, upholding the Constitution! It’s too big, diverse, unwieldy for most people to have to bother “their beautiful minds” worrying about.
(Sorry for the rant. It’s been building in my beautiful heart…)
Progressives seem to be lining up behind Al. And I notice around here (SW Okla.) conservative Democrats like Gore. I am pleased. ;0)
The explosive part does make me smile… But Bill could never do that to Hillary, imo… nor would the D women (and some men like me) allow it, nor should they if HC maintains the amount of support she has now.
Maxine Waters was the last woman standing for Gore in ‘01 and among the first to stand with Ned last year..
These are actions of a true progressive leader I will never forget.
My heart’s desire is to get rid of the Republicans.
Eureka Springs @ 60
Bill would not be doing ANYTHING to Hil! She would freely say, her hubby and al are the team that brought us the best eight years in living memory. They go another eight, clean up all the messes, she continues as senator but is called on to spear head the ….wait for it… UNIVERSAL HEALTH COVERAGE initative in congress. Add that to several other feathers in her cap, plus the probable emergence of the Web as the new MSM, and she can run AGAIN and get her time in the white house. It’s the ultimate win win win scenario.
aliasofwestgate @ 40
I would like to expand on that and Cassie’s @19! This Maladministration, from the onset of Iraqi Freedom, had allotted 7,500 visas per year to Iraqi emigres, to date, we have allowed only 4,500 total, not per year, total to emigrate! Jordan and Syria, to date, have a million plus Iraqi refugees, literally, refugees, in each!!! We certainly lead by example!!! 8-(
Alfred, do you have any indication that the dem committee chairs will get the ‘04 servers from the Ohio vote?
AK, On this we will just have to happily disagree. If we get another round of Clintons I say it should go to HC. (and this Clinton scenario is not an idea I endorse).
If Gore wants old DLCers on his ticket then he should not run, imo.
For my sweet thing. I know you’re looking here. I’ll be in Facebook for a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
Loo Hoo. @ 65
Okay, let me explain what I know:
1) they know the servers exist. I and a number of other IT pros have emailed/spoken with them at length on the matter.
2) there is a little known federal site that backs up all federal records, including emails. I put Leahy and Conyers onto that one myself, although they probably got it from others as well. I do know they arrived there the next day and stripped out those federal servers of every email they had, and got a lot of the stuff the white house is claiming is lost or won’t release.
3) They have somehow managed to isolated the RNC servers involved both in the email and voting situations and since they are managed and owned by a third party consulting company, the dems got their records and logs either by just asking (with a large stick behind their back) or by some legal means.
4) They have warned the Repulicans that if those severs “vanish” or are “destroyed”, the dems have enough evidence already to effectively put the RNC out of business. The consulting company that technically owns them has supposedly backed them out fully and has the tapes in a lawyer’s safe for security.
5) The dems expect to obtain the servers/backup tapes or both during the next year’s legal and political fights over getting karl rove, dick cheney, and possibly chimpy himself. Leahy considers AGAGAG a walking dead man whom they can kill anytime they want to. Leahy wants Rove and Cheney; Rove out in disgrace and convicted and imprisoned, and Cheney impeached and removed from office, and then tried and convicted, but given house arrest due to his heart and age. Conyers wants all that AND chimpy impeached, convicted, removed from office, and then SUED (civil court) for damages done and his family’s fortune effectively confiscated.
I can’t prove a bit of this, it is all hearsay and gossip heard while my techie friends were in their offices explaining what the various items on the consulting company’s lists meant. So take it for what it’s worth…
Eureka Springs @ 66
I am making this up as I go! If Al does get the nomination, he’ll pick someone who could take over in 8 years as veep, and bill couldn’t do that. I’m just dreaming…but it is such a LOVELY dream…i’m watching rush and tweety and broder’s heads vaporize…it’s so nice…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 68
From your keyboard to the good Dog’s/Goddess’/Gaia’s/(insert supreme being of your choice here) ears…
OT
Rev Deb – you have mail.
Do any sane and serious people ever suggest some of us moving to Iraq, similar to the migration to Israel, as a force for peaceful stability. I’ve watched Martha Raddich and Ann G. reporting from there, know it’s awful, etc. but couldn’t there be a peaceful face, force, or something to bring another dynamic. I have really thought I would go if I could find a way to think it would do any good.
Siun
Perhaps it’s time to force the creators, the supporters of this war to face the horror they created. The supporters at heart, the Fox Newsers, should be made to truly see what they are doing to their fellow human beings.
How can we do this?
*cite
Oklahoma kiddo @ 60
Actually, I don’t want to get rid of the Republicans– unless, say, the Greens and Libertarians combine under Ralph Nader and create a new second party.
We need a strong two-party system in which both parties honor and respect the Constitution. I can tell you what would happen under the leadership of a monolithic Democratic Party with no discernible Republican opposition: the Democrats would start to split into two caucuses: the Progressive caucus, and the DLC-Blue Dog Caucus (Odd color change: the “Blue” Dogs seemed to have morphed from the old “Yellow” Dogs.) And then the old dynamics that we know so well will re-appear, eventually leading to a fission of the party.
Why do we need a two party system? To keep the party in control accountable! We saw what happened when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency: No oversight. Do you really think it would be that much different if the Democrats controlled both Congress and the White House?
Bob in HI
Elliott @ 73
You’re assuming that the “horror” is not precisely what they want.
What can we do to help Conyers and Leahy carry out their mission? I hope and pray that you are right. Maybe we can get the 2000 records also, and we, along with Gore, can sue for 8 years of illegitimate gov., the Sup. Ct. not withstanding if there are sufficient facts of the election fraud.
AK 7:16 – Now your just trying to make me jump and shout like a Beatles fan!! *s*
dkaine @70
I suspect that is happening as we speak. Member, my dad’s a graduate theologian. He’s been looking very very happy ever since scoots got the word. I’m afraid he’s in deep alzheimers again, but he prays every night, and I kneel with him to show solidarity. I don’t believe in God, but I do believe in consciousness as a real phenomenon, existing at the spacetime level of quantum mechanics and beyond. I think God is our attempt to deal with the reality of our own conciousnesses. If God has any reality at all it is simply the first consciousness, which somenow brought all the rest of us into being not as marionettes but as equal beings, literally “Like God” with our own objective realities and all the powers of ultimate consciousness.
I’m wandering. please excuse me. Bottom line, the good powers are winning for a while. Let’s do our part and help keep the resistance going.
bhatten @ 76
Keep writing your congress-critters to remind them that their constituents demand that this happens…
Alfred, I so hope you are right. With regard to Abu, however, how can Leahy say he’s a dead man walking if they couldn’t even get a no-confidence vote? Does he have goods that he hasn’t shared with the rest of the senate?
Eureka Springs @ 77
Don’t get your hopes up yet. There is a long and dangerous road ahead for them and us. But I feel we will win in the end. The trick is to have a nation left when we do.
I wish the Hometown Baghdad videos could be shown to every man woman and child in this country so they would be aware of exactly what is going on in Iraq.
Ron Paul would make A*P*C money the kiss of political death in American Elections.
Give it up for Ron Paul.
Loo Hoo. @ 80
Yes. And so does Conyers. Remember the guy with the Rove emails, for starters. I’ve seen links on the net showing just how bad those are; they are enough, some thing, to put AGAGAG, Darth, and Chimpy in the SLAMMER if they are used properly. Leahy knows that even now some of our party are DINO double agents; he’s plyaing this close to his vest, for his life and ours. We IT guys are just trying to get his back, metaphorically speaking.
bhatten @ 71
Too many Iraqis hate Americans, and with good reason. It wouldn’t be safe.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 29
Thanks to both of you! Best news I’ve heard in days.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Great YouTube, ok.
I have such a soft spot for hillbilly music.
demi @ 58
While I don’t disagree with you, i think a distinction needs to be made (at this point) between Democrats and Democrat pols.
Although they’ve been talking hard on the big issues, there’s a seeming disconnect between rhetoric and action.
Are they afraid we won’t support them? Do they not see the same polls we do?
(Sorry about the complete re-quote… I haven’t figured out how to correctly modify the tags yet.)
IN
Alfred Kelgarries @ 66
If that happens, Oh, Happy Day! [Wow, that’s a great song!]
Bob in HI
Remember in 2000 when Tim Russert was saying “Florida, Florida, Florida.” Hindsight now makes me wonder what his sources were Before the election since he regards everything off the record. A whole new perspective to his prediction at the time, I think.
Jane Hamsher @ 87
Jane, if ya ever get a chance, go see this guy in concert. He’s a hoot. His band is himself playing his hybrid “gitsteel,” his wife on acoustic guitar, a stand-up bass, and the drummer has a snare trap and cymbal and that’s it. All of ‘em are dressed like they just left the office and it’s a riot.
I saw ‘em at the old Oakdale in Wallingford, CT about a dozen years ago as the first act on a blues bill with John Mayall, Koko Taylor, and Buddy Guy. Interesting night to say the least.
Well, it’s been fun folks. But the time has come for old Al the Spook to fade ectoplasmically away until tomorrow, when my dad has his three month tune up, oil change, lube job and tire rotation. (Translation: He’s going for his three month checkup at the doctor’s.)
Manana!
fade……
I don’t think the chimp’s family’s fortune could be confiscated, but maybe his personal fortune…
I have to second what dakine says, Junior Brown is the real deal. I’ve enjoyed his show many times and I am not even a big fan of rock-a-hillbilly music.
(climbing diving platform wearing my scooter libby prison bound orange swimsuit)
In honor of Fathers Day, and dedicated to fathers everywhere, I present tonight’s dive.
G’evening.
rock-a-billy
Loo Hoo. @ 92
Rev Moons banking conections and the Bank of Uruguay would be great places to start looking, imo.
Excellent dive, Suz! Never seen anything like it!
Eureka Springs @ 97
Bank of Paraguay…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 76
Alfred, have you ever read anything about Teilhard de Chardin’s Noosphere, Or Cosmic Consciousness?
You might find those approaches interesting.
Bob in HI
dakine, actually both Uruguay and Paraguay..
I’ll send you a few links via face book sometime soon..)
Suzanne @ 95
All the girls love them some Rodney!
Hi Suzanne!
LooHoo, that is the infamous Triple Lindy.
Yes, ES, too many banks with total confidentiality to actually check. Unless one uses the bank monitors that Bush himself has put into place!!
But then there’s treasure chests full of gold and precious stones, I suppose.
woman, newtonusr, woman. don’t make me put my hands on my hips.
Evening all
I noticed tonight mention of progressive and conservative (moderate?) Dems here on FDL. Does anyone have an idea how these break down re FDLers?
We don’t want to see Suzanne with her hands on her hips unless there is a particular dive that calls for it!
*newtonusr slinks back to corner*
Well, there are reportst that the Brits got on board with the US in Afghanistan to temper the attacks. They were afraid the US was going to ‘nuke the shit’ out of Afghanistan.
Also, could there be a more fitting metaphor for our times?
Jefferson wants out.
-GSD
newton, were you referring to the SNL skit with Rodney and the sperm bank?
Suzanne @ 95
wow, never seen anything like it!
Loo Hoo. @ 107
Ducks up from behind my book twing-ing a rubberband at Loo Hoo. Ducks back down.
There should be a global dragnet to recover the planet’s wealth hidden in secret accounts.
Some say the amount of stolen wealth far exceeds the total indebtedness of developing nations.
The recovered wealth should be invested in the long term survival of the planet.
.
Elliott @ 111
but I thought you were cuter than that.
That’s just about enough, tw3k. Took it in the arm.
Little does tw3k (C3PO) know that Loo Hoo is armed with a water pistol. And takes aim…
Merrily I say unto y’all. There is a Gnu thread.
Iraq ain’t goin fer shit. Goopers will change the game again come September if not earlier- it won’t be the “surge” it’ll be a NEW STRATERGY- even more compelling. They only need to play this game for eighteen more months.
The NEW stratergy will involve brining some of the troops home and changing the mission of the troops that are left. George Houdinin hopes folks won’t notice that he’s just brinkin home the troops he surged in- cause he HAS to.
It’s all bullshit- but it may work. Dems can say they won- goopers can say THEY won- and the thing goes on- perhaps with reduced US casualties.
Suzanne @ 95
I hope you’re prettier and more graceful than Rodney!!! ;-)
TSF has proudly posted Late Nite for your viewing pleasure.
BOB in HI
Thank you so much for the Happpy Day link…great stuff. But, now you got the hubby playing the piano…he’s the sorta 2nd string organist at our church. He’s supposed to be putting in the new water pump in his van. Oh, and for any of you wondering, the chord under the second Happy Day, is called an augmented fifth. Now, we can get back to politics.
And thanks to Suzanne for the dive. Hi Hon!
Loo Hoo. @ 115
:)( No Fair!
“Raises hand to be excused to restroom” MUHAHAHAH!
Siun
We shouldn’t let the images of Abu Ghraib be hidden; not from those who want this war, not from those who started this war. Fix Fox Newsers in front of the screen. Show them what they want done in their name. Make them see what is now being done in our name.
Not in my name, not in our name.
NOT IN OUR NAME.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 59
If Gore announced I think a lot of the big money would shift to him overnight. How can the grass roots get him to jump in?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 8
Melbourne is a city of nearly 4 million. It’s also in Australia. The probability of a FDL’er being one of the two fatalities is extremely small.
It’s about as probable as an FDL’er being involved in these attacks.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..rUKfedk3QF