UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the clip of Meet the Press up from this segment. You can watch it here.
On today’s edition of Meet The Press, Tim Russert had some questions for his roundtable panel (E. J. Dionne, Gene Robinson, Byron York and Kate O’Beirne) about the Libby case. And the questions? Well, they consisted of whether O’Beirne agreed with the Novak article on the political efficacy of pardoning Libby and cutting AG Gonzales loose. What O’Beirne thought the political advantages of such a pardon for Libby might be for the Bush Administration’s poll numbers. And whether York felt that a pardon would be forthcoming.
For the record, O’Bierne said that pardoning Libby might be useful for Bush’s poll numbers from Libby’s family and friends…and that he could use all the help he could get at the moment. And York says that the Bush Administration was caught flat-footed with Judge Walton’s decision last week to enforce the law as it is written, as opposed to cutting Scooter a special break to allow him out of jail pending appeal. Neither of them seemed particularly pleased with the Bushies at the moment.
What pissed me off this morning is this: O’Beirne and York are clearly partisan writers, both working for the conservative National Review. I’ve met Byron a few times and I think it is safe to say that he considers himself not only conservative, but also that he has vested a lot of interest in pushing the Libby end of the case whenever possible in media appearances and in his columns. I don’t know O’Beirne, but the words “partisan hackery, whatever the cost to the facts” come to mind every time she is mentioned, for good reason.
Dionne writes left of center for the most part, but works as a political writer for the WaPo, but has also done quite a bit of straight journalism pieces, so I’m not certain it is fair to characterize him as anything but a left-leaning journalist, as opposed to York and O’Beirne who not only write right-of-center, but actively work for their causes. I have met Gene Robinson and he is a superb journalist in a lot of areas, especially with regard to racial inequality and poverty issues in the District, a wonderful writer, and fairly centrist on a lot of issues, although not perfect. (Just ask Somerby, although compared to the rest of Fred Hiatt’s stable, Robinson is as close to a voice of reason in the far-too-neoconman wilderness as you often get…but I digress.)
And so, again, on Meet the Press, we have this faux balance.
But, putting that aside, irritating though it is, it was the Russert (a) failure to once again detail his own personal involvement in the Libby case but instead act like there was nothing there whatsoever that could possibly compromise both his reporting and his need to steer us away from asking questions about it, and (b) failure to ask any meaningful questions about what this case means in terms of the rule of law being upheld; the application of the law being done fairly, across the board by the judge regardless of Libby’s status; or even ask any question on the subject at all from Dionne or Robinson during that topic.
This is a teaching moment for the American public – the highest ranking government official to be convicted of multiple felonies in years, is treated to the same consideration as any other criminal defendant at a time when our justice system is under susbtantial scrutiny for political skewing by the Bush Administration…and Russert completely blows it. Again.
For some thought provoking work on the case, try reading John Dean’s latest on the DC Circuit, political considerations and the potential for recusals and other factors that may be in play for a Libby appeal. This dovetails nicely with my piece from earlier in the week, and Dean has some great political insights that are well worth some thought.
And, in case you missed, it, Dean had an earlier article regarding the Libby pardon lobby that is also worth some reading time. Especially in conjunction with this letter that a number of former intel professionals sent to the RNC about Republican presidential candidates disrespecting the rule of law. Sidney Blumenthal hit a lot of these points earlier, but they are worth repeating until Russert bothers to read them and actually think about them a little bit.
No wonder Cheney’s office thought of Meet the Press as “our best forum.” Hello, Sunday morning, it’s Meet The Compromised. Next time, either do the work on the whole case and ask something beyond simplistic questions, or let someone else do it.
On a day when AG Gonzales is pushing mandatory minimums for defendants under the sentencing guidelines in federal felony convictions, wouldn’t it have been a point of journalistic preparation to ask, even hypothetically, if Gonzales and the Bush Administration meant that for Scooter Libby as well? Hmmmm? (H/T to RevDeb for the link, and to realworld and scarecrow for coming up with this question the same time I did after seeing it.) As Bruce Fein quoted earlier, former Justice Louis Brandeis had this absolutely right:
Nothing is as dangerous to the Constitution’s checks and balances and protections against government abuses as a belief among high-ranking officials that they are above the law and may lie or connive with impunity. Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis sermonized in Olmstead v. United States (1928): “In a government of laws, existence of government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it invites everyman to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”
If Russert isn’t going to ask the hard questions on accountability and governmental hypocrisy, then it is time someone else hosted the show, isn’t it?
Related posts:
- Bush Officials Compromised Renzi Investigation for Political Gain
- Meet the Press STILL Lets Guests “Control the Message”
- New White House Counsel Bob Bauer and Scooter Libby Justice
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon





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No surprises, then.
It is time for someone else to host the show. Who would that ideal person be?
When paired with Russert’s mutual butt-squeezings with Hannity this week it was quite the string of wankery from Timmah
we have O’Bierne as Ole Sixty Grit, so which one is Ole Sixty Twit?
(W already clains the mantle of 60 wit, IQ-wise)
Happy Father’s Day, dads! Tommy Yum, someone said yesterday that you have a new song in the works?
Loo Hoo. @ 2
Jon Stewart.
As others here have noted many times, it is no longer Meet The Press and hasn’t been for years. It’s been Meet Mr Punkinhaid and Jack Welch has achieved his wish.
Attaturk at 3 — Yes, quite the bravura performance from Russert this week. Blergh.
What? Russert is a right wing tool? What? How? When? I am deeply depressed by this turn of events. Why Timmeh? Why?
Since I didn’t watch it.
How much did Russert plug his books today…or have his guest kiss his fat ass and do it for him?
Loo Hoo. @ 2
Block O’Granite
Well said Christy. Russert is an embarrassment, and his indifference to the need for government officials to obey the law is appalling.
That was my first thought too, BobbyG! Wouldn’t really work though.
You know one thing I keep wondering about the US Attorney scandal? Remember how we couldn’t hear enough about serving at the pleasure of the President? We don’t hear that anymore. Is it because they figured out that if the President is pleasuring himself by getting rid of the quality prosecutors as he did, he was directly involved?
OT, but always on-topic, ….
I know it’s a week old, but it just showed up in our local paper op-ed section this morning. Not what I expected from someone who’s job is assistant professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College. linky
Attaturk at 10 — He gave Big Russ a special father’s day shout out. And the whole “after the show” website discussion is devoted to talking about fathers, but I haven’t watched it yet, so I can’t say whether it was a book plug sessions or not.
To understand why Tim Russert is such a shill for the GOP, just do a Google of “jack welch russert matthews” and see what you get. (Here’s a tidbit courtesy of Bob Somerby.) Bear in mind that Welch is a) the former owner of GE, which owns NBC; and b) a staunch Republican.
Reposted from previous thread
BobbyG @ 6
or else colbert …. he plays the right wing asshole better than any of those other guys … might take the viewership a while to realize they were (still) being played
Russert has an awful lot invested in maintaining the fiction of his journalistic integrity, hmmm?
Such prim propriety lavished upon the downtrodden criminal, Irving Libby…Being Dick Cheney’s meat puppet gets more costly by the broadcast hour.
It’s increasingly clear to me that the traditional media, instead of continuing to carry water for the Bushies (who, after all, are of diminishing political relevancy) are actually working to minimize their culpability. Russert’s a great example: he doesn’t come in to any Libby discussion with clean hands.
“Should Scooter be pardoned?” is a topic that makes me want to claw my eyes out. It must take quite a bit of effort (although, “Ol’ 60 Grit” probably never turns down an offer) to find people who are willing to be hold that position with a straight face. If we view it as the traditional media still trying to outrun their responsibility — for not covering the story accurately, if at all — the narrative makes more sense.
Don’t get me started on the “war,” or wiretapping, or the USA firings…
Loo Hoo. @ 13
Especially since iirc, it is the president who is supposed to be the official person making the decision to fire them.
Corporate Owned media paying any attention here?
*crickets*
Loo Hoo. @ 2
Bill Moyers, Phil Donahue, who? Who is left? I mean that a couple of different ways. Television is dead.
Loo Hoo. @ 5
I do?
I’ve been writing a lot — no dearth of emotional material! Just wrote one for my kids, actually. Fixin’ to go to Nashville for some soundtrack stuff. I’ll talk about it if and when it becomes real; i.e., they use it.
/OT
Happy father’s day to all.
I’d noticed this “balance” act quite some time ago. It’s assumed by a certain segment of the population, apparently, that the press is just going to be liberal and we have to balance them with conservative political operatives or pundits. You can see this on the broadcast version of the Chris Matthews show as well. I stopped watching them years ago for that reason. Apparently, little has changed.
Great post, Christy.
What just gobsmacks me is that nobody seems to consider that the opinion of the jurors who sat in that trial and committed a large chunk of their life to listening to the evidence means a damn. It’s never even mentioned.
Where exactly do these people think we live, and when they’re wrapping themselves in the flag what do they think it means?
Cujo at 24 — In a word: no.
Jane Hamsher @ 25
A free pass.
Jane at 25 — I was so pissed after watching this, I didn’t even get to the jury part. Criminy, what is wrong with these people that the sole point of consideration is how to leverage this — or not — for Bush political gain?
Arrrrgh.
tommy yum @ 27
They are stunted idiots who can’t see past the froth of their own geez.
Mods — for some reason, the prior thread seems frozen; locked out.
On top of everything else, when I learned Tim Russert has no journalism training, it all puts his hackery into perspective. (Look towards the bottom, well past the ridiculous “forty-three honorary doctorate degrees” as if that’s anything more than ego-stroking.)
BobbyG @ 6
damn-skippy!
he he! great piece, CHS. . . me?
i.can’t.bear.to.watch.russert.anymore.
lost, i think, in all the libby post-
sentence hoopla — deserved hoopla, at
that — was the friday decision by
d.c. federal judge john bates — the
same judge who penned the media’s access
to the libby-support-letters-order — setting
the day after our national independece day,
this year, as the liberation date for the
first batch of national security letter
warrantless search documents under the
old section 215 of the patriot act. . .
yes! do take a look, when you get a chance.
as a very-likely target of of one of
those 2002/2003 searches, i will be
watching judge bates’ docket keenly
when back in the office, after the 4th
of july fireworks. . .
this will dove-tail with the subpoenas to
issue on the warrantless wiretaps from leahy, later this week. . .
happy fdl-fathers’ day to one, and all!
p e a c e
scarecrow at 30 — Seems to be working fine for me. When you say “frozen; locked out” — what exactly are you seeing there?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Slaves to their authoritarian desires…Even a cardboard cutout Bad Daddy is better than no Bad Daddy at all, for them.
We know what Russert is. Russert knows what Russert is. The reason things don’t change immediately is that Russert ‘and the people backing him, know that they have supported a treasonous overthrow of the US government – there is no going back. This isn’t about being right or wrong, it’s about how long you can go on, and how much damage to the system you can do before you get your neck stretched.
The missles have been launched, and there’s no calling them back.
I’m surprised Sean Hannity wasn’t invited to Meet Tim Russert after this week’s camaraderie was on display at the Democrats’ expense.
What I wouldn’t give to see John Dean and Bruce Fein on MTR one of these Sundays. And Jane!
Scarecrow,
I can access the previous post, no problem here. Refresh the whole page and or close fdl and re-enter. If that doesn’t work, restart windows. Good luck.
darkblack @ 34
sometimes it is hard not to truly
be frightened about whether our system
of ordered liberty will be able to
fully-recover from this systemic savaging
laid-down by cheney and bush and rove
over these passed six and a half years. . .
good.gravy.marie.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 33
The problem went *poof* — seems to be okay now. I’ve had random problems for the last week or so. They come, they go.
egregious @ 37
I did both, twice, and nothing worked. Then tried a third time, and I got in.
smafdy @ 35
Exactly.
“I’m not saying we won’t get our hair mussed — 10 to 20 million, tops.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
All our journalists belong to Boosh — we are the irrelevant rabble.
Dover Bitch @ 36
He got behind at his other gig.
;>)
Loo Hoo. @ 2
Glenn Greenwald
If we truly have government for the People, by the People, then how can ANY door remain closed to a duly established suspicion of treason?
Libby Obstructed the IIPA Violation investigation into the outing of a Covert Agent and her CIA Front Company.
Libby had signed an SF312, and had been in the National Security arena for much of his career – he KNEW better than to spread Valerie Plame’s name and employment (nearly everyone in CPD is Covert,) but he did it, presumably, at the behest of his bosses – Cheney and Bush.
Given that Libby’s intentional lies and obfuscations de-railed the IIPA investigation, according to Fitzgerald, we can only guess – but what a reasonable, obvious guess it is – that Libby’s masters have something really heinous to hide.
Worse still – the Leaker(s) may be in a position to grant Libby a Pardon, sentence commutation or other relief that would conveniently close the door to further investigation of the Leak.
Is there any other way to view those who would ‘out’ a National Security Asset and her CIA Front Company – remember Ames, Pollard, Hanson, Walker, etc, etc – except as a Domestic Enemy?
Should ANY door – even those with executive privilege – remain closed to a duly established suspicion of treason?
All our journalists ARE belong to Boosh. . .
excellent!
all.your.base.are.belong.to.us.
great!
Attaturk @ 10
I saw him plugging it on that crazy stock guy’s show.
Mungen_Cakes @ 44
Stop. You’re making me cry. What a contrast.
Making you cry? Maybe I should have said Woodward? Now that would make you cry.
Woodless?
Unless and until people who disagree with Timmeh and his ilk unite to Mau-Mau their sponsors, by setting up effective letter-writing campaigns coordinated with actual boycotts of the products advertsed on these programs you will get more of the same and worse. When this drivel starts losing people money they’ll throw Tim, et al, under the bus, and not before. Nothing scares as easily as a billion dollars.
tommy yum @ 41
P.O.E.
… Pernicious oligarchal empire-erators.
;>)
Mungen_Cakes @ 44
Dreamy.
looseheadprop @ 17
actually — the respite nonsense
has been oddly laced-stictched — with
an amici illuminati-like veil of quasi-
legitimacy, over in the comments, at
just one minute’s blog.
the wingers are busy fashioning new powers
from whole cloth, and mis-quoting — if not
re-writing — old u.s.s.ct. precedents — to
get there. . . go take a look, it was
in a thread of last friday morning, if memory
serves. . .
me? i got lost — EW had pointed us over
there — i.don’t.normally.go.there.
really. i don’t.
Hi Redd — left you and lhp two “respite” links at the end of prevthread.
The “balanced opinion” forum is based on several assumptions:
1) That a “debate” among opposing points of view is a way of getting to the truth and will be illuminating- it’s the “adversary” model used in court.
Of course in actuality- the “advocates” often know nothing about whatever it is they are “debating”- and could care less about “facts”- so we get shouting matches or conflicting ignorance shrouding the topic in stupidity.
2) The model assumes that the matters being debated are “matters of opinion”. I am not interested in anyone’s “opinion” on- say- the carbon output of using liquified coal as a fuel for automobiles- I want to hear from someone who has MEASURED- the damned thing.
3) “journalists” and politicians are given special status in these confrontations as people who are somehow “experts” on the subjects. If the question is “will Bush pardon Libby”- these people know squat. If the question is “will the pardon of Libby cause political problems for Bush or the Gooper party, then there are only a handful of people in the country who have the experience in such matters to shed any light on the issue- and these ain’t them.
4) These shows totally ignore the OTHER judicial model- the model of the nuetral JUDGE. How about getting some people who have expertise and NO political axe to grind. In most cases- they can shed MUCH more light.
In Russert’s defense, it’s hard for him to be a right-wing shill if he identifies his role in the Libby trial as the prosecution’s star witness.
Teddy at 55 — Thanks much. Have been trying to get time to really dig into that — but The Peanut and I went on a little picnic yesterday so Daddy could watch golf in peace. *G* Peanut time has to come ahead of research time, so the links are much appreciated!
Loo Hoo. @ 2
there’s a redhead in WV i think would be great.
Just as bad was Tweety a couple weeks ago when he had G. Gordon Liddy on to dissemble on behalf of Libby. Matthews challenged none of Liddy’s claims, except to equate Scooter and Bill Clinton with the no-underlying-crime crapola.
Jane Hamsher @ 25
jurors are the little people. they don’t rate a thought… let alone a mention.
Do these shows change anyone’s mind? Does it really MATTER who the hell they put on? At this stage in the Clusterfuck administration, I doubt it. The country is fed up- they aren’t listening to ANYONE.
Your presumption that Meet the Press exists to ask the hard questions on accountability and governmental hypocrisy, while admirable, is probably incorrect. Meet the Press is about maintaining the regime, if the regime favors the interests of NBC and its parent GE.
Which, not surprisingly, this regime favors quite, well — favorably.
I see nothing wrong in what Tim Russert did. Of course, if he were a newsman, my opinion would be completely different.
radiofreewill @ 45
Either we find out who leaked the information to Scooter or Scooter ACCEPTS ALL THE BLAME HIMSELF and the jail time. As long as there is a possibilty Cheney or Bush were involved I don’t think the White House can pardon a person for crimes that they might have authorized. Who gave the order is the question. As long as we don’t know who then the White House can’t pardon to protect themselves, or appear to do so. Although they certainly will try and the Democrats in Congress have to stop him.
Tim Russert and Matt Taibbi, Stealth Neo-cons. These two are stereotypes for talentless hacks who have sold out long ago. Partly it is their lack of a journalistic education. Russert was taught by Jesuits at John Carroll University. Taibbi attended Leningrad State Technical University.
To his credit, Russert does not write 70 word sentences, as Taibbi does.
—————————–
At a time when someone should be organizing forcefully against the war in Iraq and engaging middle America on the alarming issue of big-business occupation of the Washington power process, the American left has turned into a skittish, hysterical old lady, one who defiantly insists on living in the past, is easily mesmerized by half-baked pseudo-intellectual nonsense, and quick to run from anything like real conflict or responsibility.
One last point:
If you think that this kind of show CAN change minds- and if you want to change minds about whether Libby will be pardoned or whether if he IS pardoned it will hurt Bush (although I can’t imagine why one would CARE to change anyone’s opinions about such a thing) then you would be better off if the point of view you wanted to push was being advocated by a “centerist” and the opposing view was being advocated by a “radical”.
selise @ 59
Excellent idea in my opinion. Peanut?
Loo Hoo. @ 2
Dan Rather or Don Imus.
Nether Dan or Don shaded the truth like Timmy does all the time.
Christy, thank you for writing that about MTP. Everything you said is what crossed my mind this morning. I was surprised by the remark about Libby’s family and friends. I don’t think it looks good for Libby, but who knows.
What I find so amusing in the whole Libby appeals/pardon talk is that no one is even bothering to argue the central fact of the case anymore: Libby betrayed Plame’s identity to Judy Miller and Matt Cooper. Even the nuttiest right-wingers don’t try to argue against this. They say that he “misremembered” what he did, that Plame wasn’t really covert, that Fitz shouldn’t have prosecuted him, that Libby’s a really nice guy, etc. But absolutely NO ONE is claiming that Scooter didn’t do what Fitz was charged with investigating in the first place. Even the Bush-appointed right-wing judge in charge of the case said that the evidence of Libby’s culpability is “overwhelming”. Walton pretty much said that, at the absolute least, Libby was guilty as charged and extremely negligent with classified information.
All of Libby’s appeals hinge on fairly technical legal issues. None of them really have anything to do with Libby’s guilt. Nobody calling for a pardon is saying that Libby didn’t betray Plame. And Libby himself has made no statements that he “forgot” or “misremembered”. He’s leaving all of that to his lawyers.
Now step back for a moment and marvel at just how good of a job Fitz’s has done. When he was appointed, everyone was saying that we’d never even know who the leakers were. We now know the identities of four of the leakers, and one of them has been convicted of four felonies involving his efforts to obstruct the investigation. The presiding judge has said he sees little chance of reversal on appeal. That’s some pretty damn good lawyering.
Frank33 @ 66
Proust he ain’t.
scarecrow AT 39: Have you scanned for viruses? AVG’s free version turned up 3 copies of J/uniz.b (I think they called it), and problems with this site went away after clobbering them. Googled the virus name and found more than several message boards talking about this one interfering with various browsers and sites.
thingscomeundone at 65
Do we really have to know who ordered the Leak if we can plainly see who’s orchestrating the cover-up?
Why wouldn’t Occam’s suggest the Leak and the Cover-up were the work of the same actors?
lee5 @ 14
the soldiers are dying in iraq. the war is in America.
Despite lots of “vestigations” and congressional speechmaking- We’re in the political doldrums right now. Neither party has enough power to push anything except motherhood and apple pie- so the most likely big changes in the next year and a half are likely to be the color of the walls. NOTHIN’s happening- and very quickly.
Loo Hoo. @ 2
Bill Moyers!
Bob in HI
LS at 70 — The big question remaining from all of this is the cryptic remark that Byron York made regarding the WH being caught flat-footed by Judge Walton’s decision last week. If they were caught unawares it was becuase they didn’t do their homework on the judge — he has long had a reputation for being tough on crime, and for applying the rules as they are written…period. If they didn’t know that basic information about him — something we have known for ages — then they simply were not paying attention.
The question is: why? Who dropped the ball on that in the WH? Was it just lazy, slack-assed lack of preparation? Or something mroe deliberate — a sort of revving up the bus, again, bu Karl for the Cheney-by-proxy-Scooter? And if so, one wonders how that makes Mrs. Libby and all the Free Scooter brigades feel — that their interests are so trivial to the Bush White House that the President was disinclined to even pay attention to basic information about Libby’s sentencing judge?
Meet the press started three days after my first birthday. I’d sometimes watch it when I was in the Army in the mid-60s, and a little bit when I was working in news in the early 1970s.
I’ve watched those Sunday programs very little since the first Gulf War. They’re all sponsored by people like Boeing, Lockheed, Martin Marietta, General Dynamics, Grumman, GE, and so on, so what do we expect? Balance? HAHAHA!
The Sunday morning format has been compromised in favor of big business and the military-industrial complex since day one, will always remain friendly to the sponsors, and will always suck. Pretending we can influence these programs is a waste of energy and efforts better spent undermining their crooked paradigm.
Gordon Smith of Oregon is quoted in a right wing op/ed piece today as sayin that he’ll have a dozen goopers on his side regarding Iraq by September. I’ll believe it when I see it. Goopers are still scared shitless to be seen crossing their hero- they’ll make it clear that they disagree with him- but they ain’t about to VOTE against him on the war.
there’s another issue that is particularly galling to me — and that is kate obeirne’s regularly scheduled appearances on g.e.’s media outlets — meet the press; hardball; schmucker; scarborough — and not once has she been questioned about her husband’s key role is setting the stage for the iraq clusterfuck. james obeirne selected the staff for the cpa in baghdad and that’s why the interns, spawn, fellow ideological travellers ended up in key administrative positions they had absolutely no fucking experience for.
you would think someone on one of those many panels would express a tad bit of curiousity about how that happened. silly me.
Lest we forget, Timmo has his law degree. He has no excuse for evading or burying the lede, or for the lack of journalistic leadership legitimately expected of him and his network. That is, other than that it makes life more comfortable with his neighbors on the Vineyard. I forget when that criterion was added to the job description for being head of a news organization in Washington, DC.
No matter how hard scrabble life was for your dad, Timmo, you ain’t him. Stop claiming that you’re still a journalist; admit what we all know: you’re an entertainer, and Dick Cheney seems to have bought all the house.
rw at 80 — It remains to be seen whether those same GOPers will see their own electoral hopes flushing down the failure drain with Bush — or whether they will see standing against him as more in their self-interest that much closer to primary season. It’s going to be an interesting year…
Frank Probst @ 70,
“But absolutely NO ONE is claiming that Scooter didn’t do what Fitz was charged with investigating in the first place. Even the Bush-appointed right-wing judge in charge of the case said that the evidence of Libby’s culpability is “overwhelming”.
Exactly. What they are saying is yes, he committed perjury, but that there is no underlying crime, and because of that and because he has done so much for the country over the years in public service, he should be forgiven for lying.
They just hate Wilson and Plame as evidenced by the repeated bashing of Plame as a liar during the Lorna Doone hearing. No one bothered to counter the slandering from the Dem side, and that is just plain wrong.
I wish someone would just simply, in layman’s terms, set the record straight for the public as to what actually happened here, and also point out all of the terrible things Libby helped accomplish in his service to this country and how his actions have helped lead to the tremendous loss of live over the past 6 years.
Redd
I would think that the White House planned to wait and see what the judge did and hoped he would take away their problem- he didn’t- so now they are faced with a decision. They apparently have six weeks or so to figure out what to do. I can’t see why that would be described as being caught “flat footed”. Seems pretty sensible given their view of the universe.
Gordon Smith, or Johnny Come Lately, we want to see VOTES, not purty words ’bout peace!!!
Redd at 83
Yep- that’s the biggest political story goin right now it seems to me. The problem is that many of em could draw a primary opponent if they go to far off the reservation- and they could be BEATEN in a primary for voting against the gooper commander in chief. On the other hand- if they come out to strongly FAVORING ol Bush- they’ll be in trouble in the general election. They’re between a rock and a hard place- so they’ll probably try to play both sides- and turn invisible when the nut cuttin comes.
The Libby trial was almost entirely about Tim Russert.
Day after remourseless day Timmeh got pantsed.
And pantsed again.
NBC, is devoted to keeping Timmeh’s pants up.
For those of you playing our ame at home pleae note that NBC is owned by Genral Electric, the largest manufacturer and distributor of Weapons of Mass Destruction the world has every known
There for NBC IS the Defense Department. That’s why Mrs. Allen Greenspan works there, and that’s why Pete Williams, former under-secretary to Shooter under Bush I (and Fire Island housemate to Patient Less Than Zero) works there as a “reporter” after having been “outed” as a Big Ol’ Gay Homosexual getting the sort of special privileges not available to ordianary gay solders given the boot after doing their duty.
A seripus examination of Irving’s trial would find Timmeh doing an imitation of Claude Rains in Casablanca mixed with Butterfly McQueen in Gone with the Wind.
And he wants to avoid that at all costs.
The current group of Republicans in this country want mandatory sentencing. They expect the meanest, roughest, lowest, dirtiest people in our society to either tell the truth in legal matters or invoke their Fifth Amendment right or they go to jail. This applies in even the simplest, most local legal matters. Scooter Libby and his supporters do not hold Scooter to even this standard when matters of national security are involved. Instead his supporters prefer to see him vindicated (for what, I don’t know)and held up as some kind of hero for all his sacrifices. The Republicans seem to want to undermine the foundations of civilization with this act and many other instances of disregarding the rule of law and respecting basic rights that have been taken as obvious for at least a thousand years.
This is not democracy and the rule of law, it is hypocrisy and the rule of the few.
Mary’s latest “Free Scooter!” missive:
http://www.talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/matalinplea.pdf
And a question for the lawyers: Is the Libby Legal Defense Trust covered by any sort of truth-in-advertising laws? Because claiming that “Scooter was NEVER charged with ANY wrongdoing in the multi-million dollar investigation into leaking a spy’s name” is simply not true. He WAS charged with five felonies. Furthermore, he was convicted of four of them. That is, after all, why Matalin is asking for money in the first place. (And I won’t even bother with “multi-million dollar investigation” or “leaking a spy’s name”.)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
I’m betting they through him overboard hoping attention to it would just go away. It is puzzling about Walton, as you point out. Any squawks from the right-wing about this have been fairly weak…just sort of move along…nothing to see…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 78
Lazy, slack-assed lack of preparation pretty much describes this Administration’s modus operandi, that is when we aren’t lying or trying to steal something.
The man with too much pride to use a certain letter has it right with:
Ed*ard Teller @ 79
Here in Canada we seem to get more adverising from Agri-Biz giants of GeneMod and brokerage houses. I guess we don’t get our share of defense hardware contracts, ever since the Chief sold out the Avro Aero…………………….
Frank Probst at 11:11 is right. The area of discussion has “moved on,” which means the Libby Lobby has shifted the Overton Window. NO ONE talks about the utter shame of an adviser at the highest levels of government betraying a national security asset in a time of war. NO ONE talks about the fact that White House officials at this level have not been convicted of felonies since, um, W’s Dad was President. NO ONE talks about the fact that two Americans who’d devoted their lives to public service — Wilson and Plame — were slandered and betrayed by their own leaders in wartime, in order to preserve in place the lies that took our nation to war.
By flooding the zone — the public square if you will — with stories of Scooter’s kindness to children on Halloween at undisclosed locations and the public humiliation he and his family have suffered and the likely loss of his legal livelihood — the Libby Lobby has masked ALL the central points of this trial, including, as Jane mentioned earlier, the selfless service of the jury.
It’s a shameful display of courtier behavior. And the more shame is that our media falls for it.
But it all really has an audience of ONE. Is W listening? Does he care? They probably cannot find out — betcha Fred Fielding prohibits discussion in W’s presence. So they sing on, given platforms at MTP and the WSJ, singing to their President, “pardon him, pardon him….”
The whole respite question (as brought up by looseheadprop above) is interesting. If Bush uses that power and springs Libby from jail, then you know he has to keep Libby from talking to prevent him from incriminating Bush himself. If Bush chooses not to use his respite power, isn’t it a dead giveaway that Bush is royally pissed at Cheney and Libby because of their many rogue operations and their many lies to him about them?
Mary McCurnin @ 22
Either Moyers or Donahue would be great choices! I think Donahue would get better ratings– he’s better at tossing out zingers that wake people up.
Bob in HI
Frank Probst @ 71
i’ll drink to that ……
which reminds me, i sure miss “whisky bar”.
i wonder if there’s any chance bilmon will ever come back. anybody know why he disappeared?
Dick Cheney controls Tim Russert.
Television is indeed dead.
Greater Blogistan killed it.
David Ehrenstein @ 99
It’s not like as presently constituted it deserves to live……..
radiofreewill @ 74
We don’t have to know who ordered the leak Scooter has to tell us to get a plea bargin and avoid jail. But if Bush wants to pardon Scooter then someone else has to be responsible for ordering the leak. Occam’s simplest answer being most likly the correct one suggests that Bush and Cheney benefit the most if Scooter gets Pardoned. I suggest that Bush can’t pardon anyone to cover any crime where he or Cheney might be involved. That is one of the limits of a presidential pardon no self dealing. Ironicly Scooter by protecting people in the White House and himself kind of by claiming he is innocent stopped Fitz from finding out who gave the order or if it was all Scooter’s idea. As long as the White House could have given the order then pardoning Scooter would give the appearence of impropriety. Which would make it illegal, unfortunately as Scalia’s duckhunting with Cheney shows this administration and the Supreme Court care jack about impropriety.
xyz at 98:
Among many other things.
Since the Presidential pardon can’t be used when impeachment’s in the air, why doesn’t some enterprising Congresscritter introduce articles of Impeachment for Irve? Seems to me that would squash a pardon real good.
The pardon, when it comes in the next four to six weeks, could at least be litigated if impeachment was underway.
If there’s one thing that both could and should be done by congress- it’s making it clear that the current Authorization of Force does NOT include Iran and that Bush does NOT have the authority to begin bombing there at will.
If there is ONE issue before congress that shows that dems are really on the same side as goopers- it’s this one.
Pumpkinhead was always dilligent in his quest for justice for Bill Clinton’s errant pen*s. Scooter, not so much.
theExile @ 93
What an airplane! I flew over Slocan Lake back in August 1972 in a far more common plane, a Cessna 172. We were on a trip from the mouth of the Columbia to its source, then over the hills to the source of the McKenzie to its mouth in the Arctic Ocean. You live in a superb area.
rwcole @ 104
Lieberman would filibuster it.
And the Republicans would prevent cloture.
Linky
This is from the Wilson’s website. Timmeh being interviewed by John Stewart. It is so ironic watching John Stewart asking pumpkinhead serious questions about MTP and why Kkkarl never comes on to chat.
The nasty thing that these “debates” can do is to make things that really aren’t a “matter of opinion” at all- appear to be such.
“Well see- we got two lefties sayin it’s WRONG for the president to kill americans on the streets without provocation- and two goopers saying it’s necessary to protect us from terrorists- so it’s just another one of them matters of opinion.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 78
Blind Spots there are some things people can’t think about because to think such thoughts to their logical conclusion would cause a cognitive dissonance. Reality does have a liberal bias after all so they don’t think about inconvenient truths. We need to keep jabbing at their blind spots.
In this case- the media isn’t the message- the FORMAT is the message. Anything that can be debated in MTP is a matter of opinion. That’s the underlying statement being made.
Jane Hamsher @ 25
An acquaintance said it was “a DC jury” and what could you expect. I wondered what this meant. I asked if he knew the racial make-up of that jury, and he didn’t. I told him there were 10 whites and 2 blacks. He quick-stepped and said he meant liberal government employees.
(Does that make sense to anyone? And hugs to Jane!)
Today- from the right we have Colonel McCluskey- and from the Left, former secretary Del Hunt debating- “What is the square root of the diameteter of the earth in meters?”
No wonder Cheney’s office thought of Meet the Press as “our best forum.”
“Now, what Saddam represented was somebody who had for 12 years defied the international community, violated 16 U.N. Security Council resolutions, started two wars, produced and used weapons of mass destruction and was deemed by the intelligence community to have resumed his WMD programs when he kicked out the inspectors.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14720480/page/2/
That gem went unchallenged by Russert
Is that Byron York’s real hair or a dead chinchilla?
It’s a matter of opinion.
I just had an odd thought and I guess I’ll just throw out.
If GE, Lockheed, etl.al own the controlling interest in, this case MTP, could a netroots sort of campaign be effective in purchasing enough shares in, say, GE to gain entry into the shareholder meetings.
My thought here is that being a share holder is analogous to citizen.
Is this just a dumb idea or does it make any sense?
Sorry, it’s a dumb idea.
But your attempt at doing Judy Holliday in The Solid Gold Cadillac is much appreciated nonetheless.
The gooper strategy for global warming and the legality of the suspension of habeus corpus and many other Bushy policies is to frame them as “matters of opinion”.
“See we got two guys with PhDs ta say that there ain’t no fuckin golobal warming and two law professors to say that the President CAN invade whoever he wants so it’s a matter of OPINION.
Hey FirePups — SPOTLIGHT feature is working again, and this post by Christ should be SPOTLIGHTED to Neal Shapiro at NBC.
Can’t see that SPOTLIGHT has Timmeh’s address, but send it to Shapiro anyhow.
Christy, aren’t we ready to boycott Timmeh yet? What did we learn today that we didn’t already know — except that Byron York’s support for the White House has waned? We’ll never hear Ol’ 60 Grit soften on the White House or the OVP in the alternate since her pocketbook depends on her continuing ignorance…
Why not make it hurt on NBC for carrying such wanton shillery?
tw
ONE SHARE gets you into shareholder meetings- and a chance at the microphone. I was on “protect the microphone” detail at one such meeting.
rwcole @ 120
Ah, cool!
Spotlight!
David Ehrenstein @ 117
Went over my head.
New Thread
rwcole @ 113
Polar or equatorial diameter? :)
tw3k @ 116
GE is huge George Soros might be able to but why get stuck owning a stock that has been trading around $30 for most of Bush’s term. If GE’s stock price can’t rise with their president in power being helped by their media (NBC) well then the company is hopeless. I would not want us to get stuck owning a loser stock. Although there has been talk of GE selling NBC to boost their stock price. Then would be the time for George Soros, Al Gore (who has a hedge fund) etc to make their move. I’m not sure we the blogs have the money or the expertise to run a TV network profitably. But I like the way you think maybe we could start smaller and build some expertise.
Frank Probst @ 90
This is interesting. Matalin once again affirms Scooter’s intelligence and his 16 hour days away from his family.
Perhaps Scooter should have been checking the threats left by Al Qaeda, rather than Bill Clinton. But eight months seems like a suffcient amount of time, (especially for such brilliant neo-cons) to “sort through” real threats. Despite Scooter’s knowledge of bio-terror, the Anthrax Attack was not prevented, and has not yet been solved.
Finally, did the “sensitive information” given to Scooter include the details of the $100,000 given to the hijacker Atta by Pakistan.
things come undone @ 101
“Occam’s simplest answer being most likly the correct one suggests that Bush and Cheney benefit the most if Scooter gets Pardoned. I suggest that Bush can’t pardon anyone to cover any crime where he or Cheney might be involved. That is one of the limits of a presidential pardon no self dealing.”
Yup.
That’s why I say the Perjury Conviction alone establishes a reasonable suspicion of treason based on an IIPA violation being the work of a Domestic Enemy to damage our National Security.
The suspicion is there to any reasonable person, and no matter what Bush and Cheney ’say’ – the only way to clear this matter up is to drop all executive privilege claims and allow an independent prosecutorial effort to find the Leaker(s).
It doesn’t look like Scalia compromised National Security when he duck hunted with Cheney (though he may have risked his own life,) but it certainly looks like Cheney and Bush did – in order to Cover.the.16.words.lie that led us to an Ideologically-driven, ill-conceived, pre-emptive War of choice.
In my view – it’s reasonable to suspect that Cheney and Bush committed treason to cover treason.
Margot @ 112
Excellent point, Margot, about the racial makeup…and if your acquaintanced continued to object, I’d ask him if there really were such a thing as “liberal government employees” after folks like Lurita Doan, Monica Goodling, Kyle Sampson and Bradley Schlozman were in charge of hiring and firing.
stephen
European sparrow.
All good family man spend 16 hours away from their family.
things come undone @ 126
Thanks, fun thinking out loud sometimes. That was partially my thought as well. Not only as means to carry a voice but also something akin to a credit union with, perhaps, the dividends going to the aclu or something.
tw3k @ 116
That makes a whole lot of sense because I think it is Bush’s idea of democracy. The brown-skinned ones aren’t seen as shareholders, therefore they don’t deserve to vote. Except, of course, for the “apples,” who may have a pigmented skin but are white to the core (like Condosleeza), or who are contented with servitude (like Gonzo?).
BushCo wants to privatize EVERYTHING this way. Social Security, Medicare, whatever. Only share-holders can vote.
Bob in HI
It was Russert’s shameful complicity, revealed in the testimony at Libby’s trial…the whole Russert hates Tweety thing, and that Matalin/Cheney felt safe with MTP for disinformation dissemination. Also Russert’s unseemly coziness with Carville/Matalin. Russert shares the same treasonous complicity with these warmongering neocon chickenhawks as Judith Miller. Both are disgraceful. I felt a queasiness watching this morning. Also I agree that O’Beirn’s odious impunity about her husband’s botching in Iraq and her ideological complicity, should relieve her of any worthiness for facetime.
radiofreewill@128 I agree but you know what would really help if we could find out how many of Valerie Palme’s fellow members at her CIA front company were also outed by Scooter’s actions I suspect everyone working at the front company was outed. That and what happened to her business contacts/sources in all the Arab countries were she was investigating nuclear prolifiration. I’m sure the Arab countries she spied on and Al Quieda thought they hit the jackpot when Scooter leaked. Many of the Arab countries torture people for spying and Al Queida I’m sure does worst. Hopefully they all got to safty but we need to put an end to this outing Valerie was a victimless crime Main Stream Media talking point for as long as Bush hides behind Executive Priviledge then the talking heads cannot say for certain wether or not there were any victims.
The Solid Gold Cadillac
theExile @ 93
Exile, you’d be surprised how much defense work happens up here – usually not final assembly, but lots of components manufactured. Lots of companies that do both defense and non-defense related work.
rwcole @ 131
But a good family man doesn’t:
– lie to the FBI and grand jury;
– make false and misleading statements relevant to an on-going federal investigation
– obstruct justice
– set a bad example for his children in doing so
Not to mention possibly conspiring to out a CIA agent…
Scooter’s a good daddy, my left arse cheek. If my spouse lied under oath or obstructed an investigation I’d hire a lawyer and sue for divorce so fast his head would spin — and if I even suspected he deliberately outed a CIA agent, I’d also sue to have his parental rights severed. I don’t know why Mrs. Libby doesn’t have the moxie to do this; any man who’d do this to his country would sure as sh*t do it to her and the kids if the stakes were right.
Rayne @ 138
Girl’s gotta make a living.
Dover Bitch @ 36
Speaking of that. How do we go about getting Jane on MTP? Do we have to protest NBC? GE? And what does John Edwards have to lose by going on there one time and calling out both Big Pumpkinhead and Tweety?
David Ehrenstein @ 136
I’ll have to check it out sometime. Thanks.
jcricket @ 134
Not only that, but last I checked, Ol’ Sixty Grit is on the board of the Catholic League(yeah, Dipshit Donahue’s outfit!!).
Bob Schacht @ 133
Yeah :/ It seems like almost every debate ends in the monied influence. Which got me thinking about playing on their turf.
Rayne @ 138
He already has betrayed her – by putting his loyalty to his boss ahead of his loyalty to his family.
What’s a Fascist Catholic group without a Closeted Lesbian?
Good post. Spotlighted.
Meet the press. The debates are Right wing vs. Ultra right wing.
I’ve called, written, sent emails to Meet the Press complaining about the shallowness and outright bias of Mr. Russert. I will continue to do so but isn’t it about time a coordinate strategy be implemented to send this pompous blowhard packing? Let him live out his retirement in idle splendor on Martha’s Vineyard or,is it Nantucket, rather than polluting and dumbing down the political dialogue of the nation. Dump Russert! Your country will be better for it.
Your photo of Timmie: Is that from his wedding pix?
Not all may hear the case, but this is how they will speak.
DOUGLAS H. GINSBURG, stay
DAVID B. SENTELLE, uphold
KAREN LECRAFT HENDERSON, uphold
A. RAYMOND RANDOLPH, stay
JUDITH W. ROGERS, stay
DAVID S. TATEL, uphold
MERRICK B. GARLAND, stay
JANICE ROGERS BROWN, uphold
THOMAS B. GRIFFITH, stay
BRETT M. KAVANAUGH, stay
SENIOR JUDGE
HARRY T. EDWARDS, stay
SENIOR JUDGE
LAURENCE H. SILBERMAN, stay
SENIOR JUDGE
STEPHEN F. WILLIAMS, stay
SENIOR JUDGE
JAMES L. BUCKLEY, stay
I do hope I am wrong.
Anyone who makes a mill or two writing a book about his Dad and then follows it up for another mill or two is not a journalist. Russert is a media power broker. And the fact that NBC continues to hawk him as a serious grand father of all their WDC reporters is a clear indication of just how pathetic ’serious journalism’ has become.
Blow it? No pun intended I hope.
Russert didn’t blow anything. He fulfilled his mandate as GE pitch man.
The true disgrace is why Dionne and Robinson would just sit there and not chime in, while Russert openly ignored them. The free bagels in the green room can’t be THAT fresh, that intelligent reporters wouldn’t risk displeasuring the boss in order to speak the plain truth.
MTP is farce, pure and simple.
What the “F” with George Stephanopoulousy (on ABC’s “This Week with (his) Georgeness” becoming Lieberman’s bitch claiming that “in all of these conflicts we see the hand of Iran”. He was speaking with Joe Biden, who chose to claim that Congress doesn’t have the power to stop the war.(and yet pushes for multi-millions of dollars for a “safer war vehicle” made by a major military manufacurer. No doubt, a major contributor to his Congressional “Warchest$” Who’s the bigger War Hardware Provider Dick-Licker? Stephanopolous, or Biden?
I have a question….has Bush ever…EVER…offered a reprieve of a sentence for an appeal? I mean he is so penurious in issuing pardons and commutations that I seriously doubt he even bothers about about reprieves on serving time.
I suspect this would be a unique case.
Bush generally only pardons people after they have already served their sentence and have lived “exemplary” lives for several years…and want the crime off the record.
And he only commutes sentences when the term is almost up.
I’ve never heard of him granting a temporary reprieve even when doing so might allow a prisoner to visit a dying parent. Or to appeal an upcoming execution.
So why does Libby get such a special deal???