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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-767337</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766715&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Petrocelli @ 98&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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If y’all would just become our 11th province, we would show America how to treat gays with equal rights, implement universal health care successfully and have a public education system that rivals private schools.&lt;br /&gt;
Heck, we’ll even teach you how to play Hockey (almost) as good as us !!! &lt;b&gt;*g*&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guess where this is from?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Canada acceding to this confederation, and adjoining in the measures of the United States, shall be admitted into, and entitled to all the advantages of this Union; but no other colony shall be admitted into the same, unless such admission be agreed to by nine States.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You guys can join the USA anytime you want!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-766715"><em>Petrocelli @ 98</em></a></p>
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If y’all would just become our 11th province, we would show America how to treat gays with equal rights, implement universal health care successfully and have a public education system that rivals private schools.<br />
Heck, we’ll even teach you how to play Hockey (almost) as good as us !!! <b>*g*</b></p>
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<p>Guess where this is from?</p>
<blockquote><p>Canada acceding to this confederation, and adjoining in the measures of the United States, shall be admitted into, and entitled to all the advantages of this Union; but no other colony shall be admitted into the same, unless such admission be agreed to by nine States.</p>
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<p>You guys can join the USA anytime you want!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-767319</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766725&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PLovering @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766640&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;EvilDrPuma @ 28&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wonder whether the Republicans’ problem is that at least one in ten Americans prefers partners of the same sex, or if it’s just that that one in ten would generally rather not have sex &lt;em&gt;with them&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One in ten?  Not even close.  Quote follows from study posted in Independent Women’s Forum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;About 6 percent of the male subjects reported engaging in sexual activity with other men, while the women were more adventurous — 11 percent having done so with other women. Of the women, though, only 1.3 percent restricted themselves to female partners in the past year. (The authors of the survey do not offer an explanation for this last point, but one can’t help thinking it may be the result of the LUG — lesbian until graduation — phenomenon, in which a little experimentation is considered de rigueur.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, this doesn’t include those who are currently inactive sexually. Did the survey ask consistent questions? Were all the questions framed with the ended “in the last year”? Because a heck of a lot of people go through periods of sexual inactivity…and they could be gay/lesbian or straight or bi. And if the first samples were not appended with the tag “in the last year” (i.e. ever) and then you ask about sexual “restriction” in the last year you are going to get - quite naturally- far fewer numbers than people who actually identify as gay/lesbian.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But this survey also doesn’t deal adequately with people who transition through life with partners that shift by sex. They may be lesbian in the twenties but straight in their thirties. Or vice versa.&lt;br /&gt;
And the survey didn’t actually age-grade their questions. So perhaps the female variation is that women are more “open” to discussing their homosexual encounters than males (as males are more likely to be nervous about revealing such due to that male-male threat issue discussed above). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or it could be “older women” who discover their female partner preference later in life. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or maybe women are simply more likely to stay “true” with one sexual partner of whatever sex longer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But while this survey might be good for assessing the upper % of “self-acknowledged” gay/bisexual numbers (not those in the closet that haven’t actually had/would admit to a homosexual act)…at any specific time…the second question really doesn’t illuminate what the actual number of gay/lesbians are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-766725"><em>PLovering @ 107</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-766640"><em>EvilDrPuma @ 28</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder whether the Republicans’ problem is that at least one in ten Americans prefers partners of the same sex, or if it’s just that that one in ten would generally rather not have sex <em>with them</em>.</p>
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<p>One in ten?  Not even close.  Quote follows from study posted in Independent Women’s Forum.</p>
<p>About 6 percent of the male subjects reported engaging in sexual activity with other men, while the women were more adventurous — 11 percent having done so with other women. Of the women, though, only 1.3 percent restricted themselves to female partners in the past year. (The authors of the survey do not offer an explanation for this last point, but one can’t help thinking it may be the result of the LUG — lesbian until graduation — phenomenon, in which a little experimentation is considered de rigueur.)</p>
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<p>Of course, this doesn’t include those who are currently inactive sexually. Did the survey ask consistent questions? Were all the questions framed with the ended “in the last year”? Because a heck of a lot of people go through periods of sexual inactivity…and they could be gay/lesbian or straight or bi. And if the first samples were not appended with the tag “in the last year” (i.e. ever) and then you ask about sexual “restriction” in the last year you are going to get &#8211; quite naturally- far fewer numbers than people who actually identify as gay/lesbian.</p>
<p>But this survey also doesn’t deal adequately with people who transition through life with partners that shift by sex. They may be lesbian in the twenties but straight in their thirties. Or vice versa.<br />
And the survey didn’t actually age-grade their questions. So perhaps the female variation is that women are more “open” to discussing their homosexual encounters than males (as males are more likely to be nervous about revealing such due to that male-male threat issue discussed above). </p>
<p>Or it could be “older women” who discover their female partner preference later in life. </p>
<p>Or maybe women are simply more likely to stay “true” with one sexual partner of whatever sex longer.</p>
<p>But while this survey might be good for assessing the upper % of “self-acknowledged” gay/bisexual numbers (not those in the closet that haven’t actually had/would admit to a homosexual act)…at any specific time…the second question really doesn’t illuminate what the actual number of gay/lesbians are.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-767285</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766714&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DrDick @ 97&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766710&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;demi @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Suzanne,&lt;br /&gt;
Interesting.  Not surprising, though. I’m not sure if women are any less judgemental regarding sexual preference.  But, what’s the deal with straight men being more accepting of lesbians than gay men.  Am I wrong or is that a stereotype I’ve bought into?  Is it that those guys could fantatcize about being with two women and not two guys?  Is that it?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lesbians do not threaten them with hidden homoerotic desires.  The unfortunate reality (for homophobes) is that human sexuality is not really either/or, but much more anything available with a wide variety of personal preferences.  A famous anthropologist once observed that primate (we are primates) sexuality is not merely promiscuous, it is positively indiscriminate.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which famous anthropologist said THAT?  Primate sexuality is species specific. There are some 200 species and they cover a lot of different sexual and social patterns. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some species are apparently utterly restricted to heterosexual activity that’s largely monogamous (Gibbons); others have sexuality that is inhibited by most members except the dominant pair (Titi Monkeys); some have heterosexual promiscuity (Common Chimps) but have never been observed having homosexual activity; some have serial monogamy; others have sexuality activity with all members of the group except females and their own sons (bobobos). They have sex all the time…it acts to alleviate social tensions and stress. Conversely in orangutans you may not have mating events for years..females only are in estrous every four to six years and generally seek out established males to mate with…although there are some unterritorial males that will occasionally “rape” females. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Human sexuality is sometimes compared to bonobos, but individuals vary tremendously in their sexual activity with members of the same (or other sex). In bonobos the “open sexuality” is fairly standard to all members…there are no males that avoid sex with females and only have homoerotic activity, for example. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus in the 5 Great apes species and humans there are six different socio-sexual systems. And our nearest relatives, the chimp and bonobo have pretty strongly distinct ones…and they are only about 2 million years separated as distinct species. We’ve been some 6-8 million years on a separate path from our common ancestor with the chimp-bonobo lineage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No other Primate exactly reflects human sexuality. We are unique. But so are many other Primate species.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-766710"><em>demi @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Suzanne,<br />
Interesting.  Not surprising, though. I’m not sure if women are any less judgemental regarding sexual preference.  But, what’s the deal with straight men being more accepting of lesbians than gay men.  Am I wrong or is that a stereotype I’ve bought into?  Is it that those guys could fantatcize about being with two women and not two guys?  Is that it?</p>
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<p>Lesbians do not threaten them with hidden homoerotic desires.  The unfortunate reality (for homophobes) is that human sexuality is not really either/or, but much more anything available with a wide variety of personal preferences.  A famous anthropologist once observed that primate (we are primates) sexuality is not merely promiscuous, it is positively indiscriminate.</p>
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<p>Which famous anthropologist said THAT?  Primate sexuality is species specific. There are some 200 species and they cover a lot of different sexual and social patterns. </p>
<p>Some species are apparently utterly restricted to heterosexual activity that’s largely monogamous (Gibbons); others have sexuality that is inhibited by most members except the dominant pair (Titi Monkeys); some have heterosexual promiscuity (Common Chimps) but have never been observed having homosexual activity; some have serial monogamy; others have sexuality activity with all members of the group except females and their own sons (bobobos). They have sex all the time…it acts to alleviate social tensions and stress. Conversely in orangutans you may not have mating events for years..females only are in estrous every four to six years and generally seek out established males to mate with…although there are some unterritorial males that will occasionally “rape” females. </p>
<p>Human sexuality is sometimes compared to bonobos, but individuals vary tremendously in their sexual activity with members of the same (or other sex). In bonobos the “open sexuality” is fairly standard to all members…there are no males that avoid sex with females and only have homoerotic activity, for example. </p>
<p>Thus in the 5 Great apes species and humans there are six different socio-sexual systems. And our nearest relatives, the chimp and bonobo have pretty strongly distinct ones…and they are only about 2 million years separated as distinct species. We’ve been some 6-8 million years on a separate path from our common ancestor with the chimp-bonobo lineage.</p>
<p>No other Primate exactly reflects human sexuality. We are unique. But so are many other Primate species.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766972</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766968&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;aliasofwestgate @ 317&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I read about that in-fighting during those elections, Petrocelli. I’ve been observing how canada has pretty much been going through governments rather quickly in the last 6 years or so.  *grin* But it’s a sign of an active electorate and parliament with a bone to pick against bad leadership. Something the dems really, really need to learn.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Liberals are becoming complacent, like the Dems … they seem incapable of electing someone outside of Quebec as party leader, despite the qualifications.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>I read about that in-fighting during those elections, Petrocelli. I’ve been observing how canada has pretty much been going through governments rather quickly in the last 6 years or so.  *grin* But it’s a sign of an active electorate and parliament with a bone to pick against bad leadership. Something the dems really, really need to learn.</p>
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<p>The Liberals are becoming complacent, like the Dems … they seem incapable of electing someone outside of Quebec as party leader, despite the qualifications.</p>
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		<title>By: aliasofwestgate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766968</link>
		<dc:creator>aliasofwestgate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read about that in-fighting during those elections, Petrocelli. I’ve been observing how canada has pretty much been going through governments rather quickly in the last 6 years or so.  *grin* But it’s a sign of an active electorate and parliament with a bone to pick against bad leadership. Something the dems really, really need to learn.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about that in-fighting during those elections, Petrocelli. I’ve been observing how canada has pretty much been going through governments rather quickly in the last 6 years or so.  *grin* But it’s a sign of an active electorate and parliament with a bone to pick against bad leadership. Something the dems really, really need to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766958</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-766939&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;aliasofwestgate @ 304&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Martin was a brilliant Finance Minister and Prime Minister. Canada elected Harper, AKA Bush-Lite about a year ago - Feb. 2006 and we hope to be rid of him by this fall.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was wondering when you guys were gonna get around to giving him the heave-ho. *grins* Parliament has told him to shove it so often.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The opposition parties are daring him to bring his “environment bill” to a vote … they will give him a no- confidence vote, bring down his Gov’t and smack his party down as anti- environment in the election.&lt;br /&gt;
When Gore gets treated like a rock star here, Bush-Lite knows the environment is high on the list of priorities of Canadians. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;FYI&lt;/b&gt;, Martin lost the election to Harper more because of party in-fighting than for anything Harper did to win it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-766939"><em>aliasofwestgate @ 304</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>Martin was a brilliant Finance Minister and Prime Minister. Canada elected Harper, AKA Bush-Lite about a year ago &#8211; Feb. 2006 and we hope to be rid of him by this fall.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was wondering when you guys were gonna get around to giving him the heave-ho. *grins* Parliament has told him to shove it so often.</p>
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<p>The opposition parties are daring him to bring his “environment bill” to a vote … they will give him a no- confidence vote, bring down his Gov’t and smack his party down as anti- environment in the election.<br />
When Gore gets treated like a rock star here, Bush-Lite knows the environment is high on the list of priorities of Canadians. </p>
<p><b>FYI</b>, Martin lost the election to Harper more because of party in-fighting than for anything Harper did to win it.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766956</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fresh &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/late-late-sunday-nite-visions-in-my-eyes/&quot;&gt;Teddy&lt;/a&gt; upstairs&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresh <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/late-late-sunday-nite-visions-in-my-eyes/">Teddy</a> upstairs</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766953</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;new thread&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/late-late-sunday-nite-visions-in-my-eyes/#respond&quot;&gt;http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....s/#respond&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread<br />
<a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/late-late-sunday-nite-visions-in-my-eyes/#respond">http://www.firedoglake.com/200&#8230;..s/#respond</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766952</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thought you might like that, J.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seen her lately on Countdown as well?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thought you might like that, J.</p>
<p>Seen her lately on Countdown as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/17/latenite-sunday-sir-yes-sir/#comment-766950</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New thread upstairs by TeddySF&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thread upstairs by TeddySF</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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