Government Executive has an interesting tech report (via ThinkProgress):
Eighteen agencies have been asked by the Office of Special Counsel to preserve electronic information dating back to January 2001 as part of its governmentwide investigation into alleged violations of the law that limits political activity in federal agencies.
The OSC task force investigating the claims has asked agencies, including the General Services Administration, to preserve all e-mail records, calendar information, phone logs and hard drives going back to the beginning of the Bush administration. The task force is headed by deputy OSC special counsel James Byrne.
No matter how the GOP tries to spin it, the difference between how the Bush Administration as treated the administrative agencies and prior administrations is substantial. As a prior article in National Journal (via Government Executive) outlined, both Democratic and Republican officials from past administrations are appalled at the crassness of the Bush WH political machinations:
The ultimate focus of the various investigations is the White House Office of Political Affairs, under the supervision of Karl Rove, Bush’s deputy chief of staff and senior political adviser. Goodling didn’t recall talking directly to Rove, but she described having regular conversations with his aides about finding attorneys who would be “ideologically compatible” with the president.It isn’t just Democrats who say that the linkage between White House staffers, government functions, and the interests of the Republican Party has become too tight.
“I’m appalled,” Republican political consultant Ed Rollins says of the heavy-handed partisan politics that have been revealed in this year’s congressional oversight hearings. Rollins was political affairs director in the Reagan administration — the first one to have such a government-funded office.
In Rollins’s day, firewalls kept the political operatives from having direct contact with executive departments — particularly Justice.
“What’s happened with this administration is that too many people came in, like the Karl Roves, who had no experience in government,” Rollins says. “Campaigns are very separate things, where you’re always trying to think politically.”
Political aides working in administrative agencies is nothing new — from FDR forward, it has been a traditional hand-in-hand approach for Presidential administrations to put political hands in place to carry out the particular priorities that the President and his political minds see as most important. But there are lines that have traditionally not been crossed, both by tradition and by legal requirement — and the Bush Administration has disregarded those lines for far too long without being called on it.Until now.
The Bush White House has made the consolidation of political power its mission, and has shoved the hard work of actually governing to the side far too often for the nation’s good.
Those Rove interviews, which wandered over an expanse of policy questions, were memorable, said Doug Sosnik, who was Clinton’s political affairs director in the White House and later his senior adviser, because Rove “was transparent and open about the politics driving the policy.” Based on his own experience, Sosnik remembers thinking that such openness was “a big mistake.”
“For anyone to say there isn’t politics in the White House is ridiculous,” Sosnik continued, conceding that the Clinton White House justly earned a reputation for being overtly political while governing. Clinton’s campaign finance activities, which sparked federal and congressional investigations, were an example of “pushing all the way to the line without crossing it,” he said.
The evolution from the Clinton political operation to the Bush shop holds distinctions with real differences, Clinton’s former aides argue.
“The problem with this White House is that they conflated the policy and political roles that Rove had so that they are indistinguishable,” Sosnik said. “They took the letter of the law and pushed it to at least the line, if not over it, and in the process certainly violated the spirit of it. They got used to it; that was the culture. And they had a supplicant Congress that was their witness protection program. It was a culture where everyone understood the reward system.”
That culture — and Bush’s ambition to consolidate executive power — has helped erode Bush’s credibility and his powers to persuade, suggested Leon Panetta, who was Clinton’s second chief of staff, his former budget director, and for 17 years before that a Democratic member of Congress from California. “Every president has that political instinct, but you cannot make everything you do the result of political motivation because you lose the ability to persuade the American people that substantively it is in their interest,” he said.
It is well past time that the whole nation stop the comfortably numb indifference to how governing is done, and stood up and demanded that it be done well — for all of our sakes. Because, at the moment, we are living in a nation where good governance is considered a luxury.
Karl Rove was set free to pull whatever political strings he wanted for the last 6 years and then some — because George Bush and his CEO governance farmed out the tough work, and Rove is too enamored with his own “cleverness” on political trickery to admit — to himself or others — that he had a lot to learn about in terms of doing the real, difficult, day-to-day work that is required once you win the election. Chasing wins can give you a rush, I suppose, but that isn’t the role of the President once he has taken office. That they have continued to work their priorities toward chasing more wins, rather than making decisions for the good of the whole nation, is quite telling — they have put themselves well ahead of the nation, time and time again.
Politics should not be solely about the win. What you do once you have won is everything and, by that measure, the Bush Administration is a failure, plain and simple. The hard work is governing, and George Bush and his political minions have never, ever been about the doing of the work. And it shows.
And had the Democrats not taken control of Congress in 2006, we wouldn’t know even a tiny fraction of what we do at the moment because the GOP-controlled Congress failed to do any meaningful oversight for the first 6 years of the Bush Administration as the WH political office, headed by Rove, pulled the strings of the GOP puppet Congress using campaign funds as a big stick. Think about all of the little tidbits that Sen. Pat Leahy and his Senate Judiciary Committee alone have been able to glean in the last few months. And then multiply that out by all of the committees in both houses of Congress doing meaningful, desperately needed oversight. Thank goodness for sunshine.
It ought to be an expectation that governance is the priority — for the nation as a whole, not just for cronies, big political donors, political machinations and Presidential pals. Isn’t it time we started demanding better, for all of us?
(Was in the mood for some Pink Floyd this morning. Enjoy this clip of Comfortably Numb. Seemed to fit the national mood for some reason.)



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Early here at last! *g*
I follow the healthcare scene, and via the bright flight of scientists from the CDC and the FDA, not to mention the horrific public health infrastructure and service erosion throughout the HHS, the US will pay dearly for this for many, many years.
‘Mornin’, Christy!
Oh, yes: And of course AGAG wants to formalize the whole stinky process wherein Republican politicans get to fire those USAs who stubbornly refuse to prosecute innocent people.
And I can hear Davis, Burton, Mica, and Issa now: But, but, but, but Clinton! Gore! Sandy Berger! Valerie Plame!
Sidebar, perhaps….
I am reminded of the comment by a Justice Dept staffer during the initial Gonzales hearings. This twenty five year veteran noted that, under the Clinton administration the White House authorised exactly four people to speak with Justice…Pres., Vp, WH council and his assistant. Four. Under Georgie there are over four HUNDRED with such authority…any questions?
Oh yeah…uno???
So now Abu wants to push mandatory minimums
and more control of the USAs.
They have learned nothing. Rather than do their jobs, their entire energy goes into covering their tracks.
Impeachable!!!!
The feeling here is that justice will never be served as it relates to Karl Rove. I am disgusted.
Quote from Phoenix Woman’s link:
Given that the fair-miindedness and independence is demonstrably gone already, the trouble will be for the DoJ to regain that confidence, no matter what party is in power.
OT for PW: Thanks for questioning the non-sequitor comment someone made to my comment on your thread late yesterday in EPU land. I’m wondering what he was projecting?
ardee @ 6
That was Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse. He had quite the spiffy chart that he held up for all to see.
dakine01 @ 5
“Okay, Alex: The question is ‘What public figures have nothing to do with the price of tea in China?’”
ardee @ 6
Actually that was a chart that Senator Whitehouse, D-RI (and former USA who seems to be taking these things quite personally) used on, I believe, Croc-a-Kyle Sampson to show the disparity 4 WH to 3 DoJ allowed contacts in Clinton vs. 400 plus WH calling 31 DoJ in BushLand
dakine01 @ 9
Given that the fair-miindedness and independence is demonstrably gone already, the trouble will be for the DoJ to regain that confidence, no matter what party is in power.
That’s what Comey and McKay and Heffelfinger, to name but three folks who should know, have been saying recently.
Goodness only knows. I sure didn’t, that’s why I asked him to clarify; nothing was coming through aside from snarkiness.
Tell me something Dems. Is this the best we can do? Obama and Hillary.
Gore.
Phoenix Woman @ 11
There should be some way to go into each of these idiots CDs and point out all the ways that they have failed to do the jobs they were elected to do for the last few Congresses. Davis should be especially vulnerable to that.
“Witness Protection Congress”. I’ll have to remember that one.
Cuz this crime syndicate we call the Bush Administration will probably only be brought down by someone who ends up IN witness protection.
I’m disgusted. And I need my coffee.
Glad you’re highlighting this Christy.
THIS one’s got possibilities.
I’ll take a triple order of im*each, please, to go, and get a move on.
NO. I mean NOW!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
fwiw, i left a comment for you downstairs about biden.
btw, YES! Gore!
The DOJ meme was voter suppression (Democratic voters) and control investigations into corrupt Repugs.
In a state that had their USA fired, a voter ID law was passed, ran up the flag pole to the Supremes and upheld because liberal minded Election Board who allowed multiple types paper to be used for ID. The problem is it still disenfranchises the elderly who might have their utility bills in their DEAD husband’s name and do not drive. THE solution has been vote by mail since THAT is exempt from show ID at the poles. [who says AZ ballot measures make sense]
AND where is the Rick Renzi and JD Hayworth investigations as these two were part of the Abramoff Dirty Dozen. The AZ GOP even ran the idea of JD running for Renzi’s seat when the heat was on about him resigning in shame. BAWAAA
It is rumored that the GOP is asking Renzi to stay in shame because they do not have the money to run a special election to fight off the 4 or so Democrats that have already filed for his seat for 08.
Democrats. This is not a difficult concept. I demand punishment for Republican offenders and Democratic enablers (Lieberman, etc.). And I want you to bring all of our soldiers in Iraq home. Now!
dakine01 @ 15
Well, if Mark Warner ran for John’s Senate seat, John would probably retire. I heard that Davis wants a shot at that Senate seat if John does. I’d love to see Davis try that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
i’d vote for you. ;->
Christy -
Yes, and think of how much it is costing lobbyists (and taxpayers) to provide a fix for those who run for office for the sake of a rush obtained from chasing wins and from adulation bestowed by their supporters.
Thanks for reminding us that with the Dems taking the majority, we have finally started to get information pointing to the shenanigans this administration has been pulling and getting away with for so long, too long.
For those who missed Leahy’s words to the Senate this week regarding the missing emails
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/14/leahy-emails/
Hiya Christy:
I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the work the OSC has done so far. Trying not to get my hopes up too high though..
I think it is clear that Rove and Co are guilty of numerous Hatch Act violations. (And where in the hell are Rove’s e-mails???) It would be amazing if the OSC actually brought charges from inside the WH itself. Kind of mind boggling.
I find it hard to believe that the WH won’t shut down this investigation but perhaps the genie is already out of the bottle.
Let’s see where it goes. But it is way past time for the House and Senate committees to get Rove’s butt in front of them-Let the Executive Privilege fight begin!
Christy,
Is an independent prosecutor going to be appointed in this case, or is Scott Bloch going to oversee the investigation?
You hit the nail on the head, Christie. What also has come out recently is just how many people work for Rove. (Formally, that is–we know they all work for him in one way or another.) Is there no means by which we can get this genie back in the bottle? As taxpayers, how do we say, in the future, no more huge political staffs operating out of the White House?
Excellent post Christy!
Here is a link to Whitehouse’s chart.
ej has a nice tie. he sounds bad but looks good. obierne has a new flip. it improves her analysis. her voice–too masculine.
but I like her after shave.
sorry gang… you’re ever so entertaining…
but i’ve got some thistles to pull up…
wouldn’t want ‘em to go to waste…
ta ta ;-(
Adie @ 18
Adie, thank God for folks like you. :0)
Which is why Bush’s approval rating is in sub-Mendoza territory and the GOP brand is horribly tarnished.
The jig is up on these guys-everyone knows what they are about. The Democrats have to capitalize on this and stand for something far better than what we have had and bring some passion and motivation to a cynical electorate.
Kevster @ 32
Just wish “everyone” figured it all out before 2004.
If this administration were a book, I’d have long ago stayed up all night to finish it and get to the wrapup (Can’t use happy ending anymore). This is like releasing “War and Peace” one page a day.
I missed Sheen on This Week. Can someone tell me if he made us proud?
Karl Rove and George W Bush behave like Gangsters because they ARE Gangsters — the good of the nation has nothing to do with it.
The Bush/Rove/Feeney/Bush Criminal Conspiracy to steal the election in Florida was launched no later than the summer of 1998; if Al Gore hadn’t gotten 20,000 more votes than Bush in Florida, the conspiracy would never have been exposed.
As the Gangsters they are, Bush is a pretend preznit with Rove as his Consigliere. They are like the bank robbers who dress up as guards and tellers and bank officers, so no one realizes the heist is happening.
Compared to the Bush Krew, Al Capone and Tony Soprano are two bit punks.
Y’all see this one from Friday?
White House e-mails demanded under Senate committee subpoena
White House e-mails being withheld from a Senate committee are covered by a subpoena for documents issued earlier this week, a committee spokeswoman told RAW STORY.
The Senate Judiciary Committee is investigating the apparent creep of politics and undue White House influence into the operations of the US Justice Department.
Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., revealed during a committee meeting Thursday that the White House found an undisclosed number of e-mails it previously said had been lost, as ThinkProgress reported.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
OKK, you may be interested in John Conyers’ diary at Kos (will find link if you need) and the trail of evidence that leads to Rove. Over at my place, there are several blog entries that list all of the instances where Rove is mentioned in the DOJ documents (at least the ones I could find). I left hardcopy of these questions and the relevant pages from the DOJ docs with Senator Ben Cardin and the Senate Judiciary committee staff. I, for one, am willing to wait a little longer. Once Harriet has been interrogated under subpoena, we ought to be one step closer to Rove.
TiredFed @ 38
Oughta be a chair waiting for him at Gitmo, no? Or at least a board of some kind.
RevDeb says:
June 17th, 2007 at 8:08 am
So now Abu wants to push mandatory minimums…
From tbe article:
In a speech June 1 to announce the bill, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales urged Congress to reimpose mandatory minimum prison sentences against federal convicts — and not let judges consider such penalties “merely a suggestion.”
I can’t even begin to describe how much that pisses me off – so I won’t – for now.
That bastard Abu now wants, being a catostrophic failure at all things judicial, to get into the legislative branch.
Has he ever prosecuted a case? Gotten involved, or even noticed, that there are real people, people who make mistakes, people who might vey well be redeemable, whose lives are at stake?
Is he now a paid lobbyist for the booming prison-building business?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Accept no substitutes.
Am I the only one who fears that the OSC comes with a paintbrush in one hand and a bucket of whitewash in the other?
TexB — that chart that Whitehouse did was pure genius. I would love to see that done for each and every agency that has had politicization problems (and I suspect it is all of them, sadly). That visual, for the DOJ alone, is stunning.
Whitehouse has been so sharp in the hearings — very, very impressive.
jayt @ 40
My understading is that he was a real-estate law before becoming a primary Chimp enabler.
Maybe between his real-estate practice and his terms as WH counsel and AG, he feels the need to do some planning for his family. Like he wants mandatory sentencing so that he can know how long he’ll be away after his sentencing?
(Hey, I can still fantasize a little bit can’t I?)
RevDeb @ 7
Does he propose an exemption for Scooter?
Petraeus: Escalation Not Done By September, 50-Year Iraq Presence A ‘Realistic Assessment’ ~ ThinkProgress
Does this apply to Libby?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
I agree completely. And I’m a damn yankee ;)
jayt @ 40
let’s see now, mandatory minimums for “Federal Convicts”
Scooter was convicted by a jury in a Federal Court on Federal Charges.
Do you think the repigs will write in an exception for him and the rest of them who ultimately will find themselves in court?
Just askin’
or maybe they didn’t think of that.
CityGirl @ 27
defund them and deauthorize them. takes an act of Congress, but it is do-able.
stratocruiser @ 34
T.H.A.N.K.Y.O.U!
Source of my “attitude problem” in a nutshell!
Normally, I’m stubborn enough to have endless patience.
NO MORE! NOT WITH THESE GOONS! N.O.!
tommy yum @ 42
Well, I’ve read rumblings that Bloch is looking at things to detract from the investigations of HIM and his actions. Of course, by investigating him, it also gives the swine the opportunity to impune his motives and trash anything he uncovers. As witness to this I give you Lorna Doon who couldn’t be bothered to answer questions from Waxman et al the first time due to the OSC investigation and after it was completed, felt that it was “riddled with errors and lacked any credibility as it was an obvious hatchet job on her.”
It looks like many of us were thinking the same thing at the same time.
Like he wants mandatory sentencing so that he can know how long he’ll be away after his sentencing?
Yeah, that crossed my mind too. If he does somehow manage to ramrod a mandatory minimum bill through, I most certainly hope that he is one of the first to feel its bite.
TexB @ 37
I think this is a result of Greg Palast’s work. He spoke with the House Judiciary about the emails he’d gotten that were sent to a domain that was similar to one owned by the RNC.
But I think the Senate Judiciary used as leverage behind the scenes to tell the White House, “Huh-unh, we KNOW you have emails that look like THESE and you’d better produce them.”
This is the popcorn-worthy stuff. I’m going to need a big feedbag so I can stuff my face with popcorn while I liveblog with you FirePups when they go through these emails during a hearing.
‘morning all. i just spent several hours going through the senate and house committee hearings for next week… and there are a ton of them – it’s a very busy week.
i’ll post the list of my top picks in monday’s first thread, as usual.. but since this is an oversight thread, and i got the list done early this week… here’s a preview.
(please let me know if i missed anything, or you see any errors – thx!)
tommy yum @ 42
no. but once OSC does their thing, Congress can step in and the Admin won’t have that old tired excuse “there’s an ongoing investigation” any more.
selise @ 56
Selise. Thank you beyond measure! ;->
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Sheldon is great (how ironic he was a US attorney, eh?) but I would like Iglesias to question Rove when it’s his turn.
TiredFed @ 57
But that’s where Lorna Doon’s tactics came into play about how it was a set-up investigation, how she was abused by nine hours of questioning, how it was leaked after she’d been told confidential, how it was riddled with all these errors and mis-statements of fact, and how all the questions needed to be placed in context and were just speculative anyway.
TiredFed @ 59
hmmm.. Whitehouse for the Whitehouse
has a certain ring to it ;->
Am I in the minority on how unimportant an Office of Special Counsel investigation into anything actually is? Scott Bloch, the Special Counsel has a reputation for being every bit as strange and partisan as Lurita Doan.
TiredFed @ 59
Maybe Conyers et al should hire Iglesias as Majority Counsel for the House Judiciary and let him do all the questioning so that it would be focused, even if interrupted every five minutes so the enablers can give their reach-arounds.
shocked, i tell you….
a national security state truism: no subsequent regime–regardless of party– is ever MORE transparent than the previous one…transparency is anathema to ’security’…
wish in one hand, poop in the other–see which one gets stinky
.
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Ed*ard Teller @ 62
if you are (in the minority), then i’m there with you.
selise,
I get tired even reading the list. Probably a good think I’ll be busy at a conference all week and won’t be around to see my blood pressure explode off the charts.
I sure hope that Leahy et al stop all the wingnuts that have been nominated for judgeships. We have to stop them before they infect more of the system that is already immune compromised.
Do you think the repigs will write in an exception for him and the rest of them who ultimately will find themselves in court?
Actually, yes i do.
I would imagine he’d want it limited to offense involving possession or sales of drugs, and various violent offenses. He might even throw in terror-related offense, but that would be a waste of time, because he has no plans for such persons to ever see the inside of a U.S. court of law.
And Scoots, to the best of my knowledge, isn’t a crack dealer, nor is he black, and all of his lies and obstruction were committed while unarmed.
dakine01 at 60
THAT did it! LOL! You brought a smile to this grouchy face.
hadn’t seen the “Lorna Doon” appellation appended to that thot-string yet.
thanks-hundredfold!
Thanks and nice work, selise — haven’t noted anywhere what judicial nominations are in the pipeline, have you?
RevDeb @ 66
and that link was the short list. here’s the longer list… and it’s still only a fraction of the hearings next week.
selise @ 70
Longer list didn’t load.
OT: Over on The Guitar, there’s a LOTTA good tunes, including Arlo Guthrie and EmmyLou Harris, singing Deportees…
[Mod: Not quite clear how referring people to your site relates to Christy’s post.]
TexB—
Selise’s longer list did load for me. It starts off looking like the shorter one but has a lot more hearings.
Heh. Now this is funny, if off-topic…
Bush is now pushing for mandatory prison time for all criminals.
Think he’ll have to commute Libby’s sentence before such legislation passes?
At last week’s Drinking Liberally, some folks said Al Gore is running and will announce in the fall. I’ll believe it when I see it.
links:
http://draftalgore.meetup.com
http://www.algore.org
http://www.algore.com
egregious @ 73
My front porch is a bit too far from the wireless router. Back inside and all loading perfectly.
Rayne @ 69
rayne – haven’t really looked. from the judiciary committee there’s Leslie Southwick on thursday… and a hearing on judicial nominations wednesday – but, without any witnesses listed yet.
i’ll add the witness info to the list, if the judiciary committee adds it or i see it anywhere else. will go looking…
dear firepups… i make the list just for you… please feel free to provide more info or suggestions. thx!
Ed*ard Teller @ 62
In this case, I’d bet it’s the career prosecutors that are pushing the investigation. Which means that Scott Bloch has to choose between letting it proceed, or becoming part of the criminal conspiracy.
ET at 62 — No, you are not in the minority — and we’ve talked about Bloch previously. And Marcy had a great piece on him here. There are potential problems, but when you layer in oversight from Congress they are hopefully minimized a bit. If nothing else, we’ll just all have to see where this goes together.
Rayne @ 74
Doesn’t matter, he’s gonna pre-emptively pardon Libby anyway.
mental_equinox @ 80
Doesn’t a pre-emptive pardon mean that now he has to cooperate with investigations? Or risk yet another conviction?
mental_equinox @ 79
I’m not sure, and how could I be, that there will be a pardon. Another thing to consider is the continuing rift between Cheney and Bush/Condi/Rove. Since Bush is so into the loyalty factor. Does anyone else think this might make sense?
I guess this is threadworthy: This day in history – June 17, 1972 – Why Watergate Matters
h/t ~ http://blueherald.com/
Thank you Christy for this post and early good afternoon to everyone!
Oversight and pulling the dirty, lice-infested covers off the Rover are long overdue. The stench is already overpowering and we are going to need gas-masks as more of his corrupt, rotten carcass is exposed. I hope that as a people we have the inner strength and resilience to face this mess and clean it up. My faith in either party to really “giterdone” for we, the people, is not strong.
Both parties seems to be heavily influenced by corporate interests and I wonder if we outside-the-belt-wayers can really comprehend the temptations and pressures to succumb that face our legislators daily. And it sure looks like the Bush agenda, still being aggressively pursued, is to wed government and corporate interests so firmly that there is no longer a United States of America.
Here’s a couple of questions I have, and I have not yet tried to research them–How much influence do our letters, phone call, petitions, visits, etc. have on a legislator’s decision-making as compared to the influence of the power lobbies for corporate interests? The Republicans have almost completely sold out. How do we know that the Democrats would not do the same if they take over in 08?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 79
The exposure of Blochhead by the blogs is another great illustration of the importance of this new media. The revolution is happening, and it is most definately not being televised. In the past the powers-that-be would just say, “The OSC has looked into this matter and everything seems on the up and up. Move along.” The “press” would dutifully regurgitate the message and never talk more about it.
Not anymore! Even though we’re obviously still off the “mainstream” radar for the most part, we’ve had some successes already, and man oh man, what strong grassroots movement we got building.
Now, we must preserve net neutrality to continue building this movement.
linda @ 84
opencongress is a good place to start.
You know, I keep seeing a common misconception: Bush people crossed the line because they had so little understanding or experience related to governing and what is proper. That is giving them way too much credit.
It can’t be repeated too many times. These people don’t believe in the very concept of governance.
Their own ideology tells them government doesn’t work. They don’t believe in the legitimacy of government, or see it as legitimately representing the will of the people. They don’t give a damn if government works or not – in fact they feel it’s their duty to keep government chained and powerless so the legitimate (in their view) forces that should be controlling the nation’s destiny can operate unhindered. To that end, anything they do to preserve their strangle hold on the levers of power is justified.
At the core, their entire philosophy is Anti-American. We need to realize that to deal with them effectively.
Rayne @ 55
I agree whole heartedly with you. A while back, when Greg said he had the e-mails, a lot of people were questioning IF he really had them, and if so, why not just publish them. Well, I said then, and now it apprears to be that there is a plan. It’s like spy vs. spy. Also Greg has a career. He’s got a family to support. He’s not stupid. I trusted him then and I think how he handled this gives Leahy the cards to play his hand.
TexB @ 81
The President can pardon Libby, or anyone else, for offenses not even charged at the time of the pardon.
xaxnar @ 87
Man, was that well stated!
tw3k @ 86
Thank you for the link to the Open Congress site, it is a great place to start. Going back there to subcribe. Thank you!
Lou Costello @ 83
xaxnar @ 88
The core beliefs of GWB and the Bush Family are often overlooked. George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were early adopters and enthusiastic supporters of Hitler, because they believed Nazi Germany was the only defense against the Soviet Union. To these people, there is no difference between the Soviet Union and Labor Unions — crushing organized labor is part of the long twilight struggle against communism.
The Bush and Walker families were products of the Robber Baron era — for them, any government action that impedes monopolistic captialism is an affront against the natural order of the universe. For GWB, government exists to serve the rich, and the entire human race is just the wage slavery labor pool.
xaxnar @ 87
Now that’s some good “framing” for ya!
I call them Constitution-haters and America-haters. That’s not hyperbole. Anyone with a basic grasp of the Constitution would agree that these terms are accurate.
We’re talking about the entire Republicant Party here, and not just the Shrub Administration.
It’s really easy to back up this talk, and always amazes me why the majority of the Dem Party leaders can’t seem to understand this. Almost makes one think they might be in on it all, eh?
linda @ 91
And, thank you, I hadn’t noticed the subscription :)
xaxnar @ 87
They believe in Darwinism when talking about economics, but they don’t believe in Darwinism when talking about nature.
bonkers @ 96
The poor are poor because they are lazy. Just ask MBA student George W. Bush.
-ck- @ 93
They’ve been so explicit about this for so long (Trickle Down Economics?) They very deliberately bought up all the media in order to control the public discourse, thereby making sure John Q. NASCAR votes against his own interests.
This is why what’s happening on with the Internet is so crucial. Once the electorate begins waking up to the facts you stated in that paragraph, the white collar criminals will be forced to follow the rules like the rest of us…(hey, a guy can dream, can’t he?)
xaxnar @ 87
I see this differently. The thugs in the White House are not the small-government is best ideologues. They are not trying to drown the federal government in the bath tub. That view is an entirely different though equally radical branch of the conservative movement.
the thugs in the White House believe in a very strong, expanding government, especially in the executive branch. Everything this regime has done is to increase the power of the executive. And this is not increasing power for its own sake, though the politicos like Rove may see it in those terms. The ideologues in the WH wanted a strong executive for two main reasons: (1) to expand the hegemomy of the US internationally — and free up the executive to wage war on behalf of expanding/maintaining that hegemony, and (2) to reverse decades of using the government as a balance against the power of corporations versus the rights of individuals and concepts of public interest.
The whole point of politicizing the federal agencies and the Justice Department wasn’t to shrink government but to redirect the government’s function and purposes. Take any agency, ask what’s it’s primary function was supposed to be under any of the hundreds of essentially “liberal” statutes of last 30 years, and you’d see the Bush appointees and decisions have been to use the same government agencies to do exactly the opposite of the original mandates.
They’re not trying to reduce government; they’re trying to reverse/redefine government’s mandate and then use the full power of the federal government and its re-politicized legal system to enforce the radically revised redirection.
There is nothing “conservative” about it; it is a radical movement; a peaceful by inherently dishonest (and often illegal) coup d-etat. And they’ve largely succeeded.
The oversight that’s going on now is merely revealing the scope of the radicalism and unlawfulness involved in this effort; but there is not yet a significant reversal of what has happened.
No Presidential candidate has articulated this, though it is implicit in some of their positions.
mental_equinox @ 97
Oh yea…almost forgot. Now where’s that damn remote!
mental_equinox @ 89
Like his father did for Caspar Weinberger on 12/24/92 to shortstop the Iran/Contra leavings from reaching him…
N=1 @ 3
I dimly seem to remember to have read within the last couple of years that a political appointee with no experience was put in charge of the CDC. But may be wrong.
This is the controlling judicial precedent regarding Presidential power to pardon for offenses not yet charged:
So, in theory, Bush could even pardon Libby in advance for any new lies he might tell if summoned back into court or before Congress.
Now where was I before all my attention went to the unfortunate beat down of the Cavs by the Spurs?
Oh yeah,
It’ll be Gore-Thompson in ‘08.
IMHO Gore is already running, just a little less obviously than Thompson has been.
If you won the popular vote before the world knew what a clusterf*ck Darth’s administration would be, how on earth could you possibly get less votes in 2008?
And, with Christy’s oft stated sunlight beginning to permeate the DOJ (aka Rove’s Office of Dirty Tricks), stealing the next election just got much more difficult.
[Mod:from Raw Story]
Why does my brain feel fried after reading this?
Hopefully all voter now realize that governance just for cronies, big political donors, political machinations and pals is always the end result of electing Republics, especially Bush Republics.
I think the mandatory minimums is simply full speed ahead with their mission of complete control. It is part of the big plan. They don’t a flying fig about what is going on in the rest of the country or how anyone feels about it. Polls don’t matter. Repugs don’t matter. Elections don’t matter. Dems aren’t even thought of as the enemy, only a nat to be casually swatted away. Evil bastards who, if given enough latitude, will do much more damage. I don’t think they are at all worried. Scary fuckers.
Mulligatawny—
Please do not quote an entire article from Raw Story without any attribution, thanks. Better to have an excerpt and a link for copyright reasons.
The longest lasting effect of this whole nightmare will be the litmus tests on judicial appointees at the circuit and appellate level. It’s gonna give a whole new meaning to an “activist judiciary” for a generation to come.
Ultimately the rule of law will have its time. The offenses committed during the administration are indictable even after they leave. If I hear one more wingnut whine about “outlawing politics”, Im gonna scream! It’s the laws that have been broken stupid.
And the words on the Constitution make it more than just another piece of paper.
Fresh thread for everyone.
Scarecrow @ 99
Seems to me you’re both saying the same thing. They treat government as a tool to steal from the US Treasury in order to increase profits, hence all the subcontracting to their friends that’s going on now. They want government to be just big enough for the theft to be worthwhile, and the executive to be strong enough so no one, who might actually believe the Constitution is worth defending, comes along to disrupt the scam.
If the thugs stay in control long enough, I think they would dismantle alot of the US goverment, but keep enough around in the sectors in which they are already heavily entrenched, like the Dept of Defense.
So whatever “size” the goverment is, the end result is the same – increase profits at all costs.
This OT and and a drive by and I apologize in advance. Please feel free to redeposit this in the appropratae thread. I am on trial and totally unable to hang out at the lake.
This morning when I was trying to organize some coffee at home I heard Kate OBeirn spout the most outrageous bit of disinformation about the powers of the President with respect to Scooter Libby.
She said that in addition to the power to pardon and the power to commute Scooter’s sentence that the President had some unspecified (and she cited no statute or part of the Constitution or any other authority for this!!!!!!!) “plenary power” to give Scooter a “respite” from his sentence while his appeal is pending.
HORSESHIT
I am so frustrated, because I am in the middle of a jury trial and do not have the time to do the research until after the case goes tot the jury, but maybe Christy or John Dean can spare the time before then.
This is a bold faced naked power grab and this MUST be nipped in the bud!
LHP — that’s the new wingnut theory du jour. I’m looking into it, but not finding much support for it. Hopefully can have something on it next week…if anyone finds something, for or against, please do pass it along.
“CEO governance”
hahahahaha!
Sure, if the “CEO” is Ken Lay or, maybe, John Gotti.
PS — Thanks for the hummingbird video, Redd!
The Lurking Mod @ 108
Yes, sorry and thanks…my brain was fried.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 113
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Phoenix Woman @ 4
This sounds like a warning to the USA’s to get ready to pimp Republicans and diss Democrats in 2008, doesn’t it?
How very characteristic of this administration: When under trial and tribulation for politicization, the solution: More politicization!
Bob in HI
warning: do not read — unless you
have a tub of cool clear water to rinse
your eyes with, immediately after — at hand:
cough. bullsh!t. you can smell it.
on edit — is see teddy mentioned this;
here is the just one minute commenters’
link — it started there, i think. . .
Oh, see, as thrilled as I am to see Ed Rollins outside their tent p*ssing in, I wonder how much it has to do with the fact that both of his candidates last cycle (Katherine Harris and KT McFarland, the profoundly bizarre woman who fought in the primaries to be the Republican candidate for Hillary’s seat) were candidates Rove didn’t want in the race. He even tried to use Ms. McFarland’s campaign to set up a third party with a ballot line in New York State.
If the current power structure stays in place, Rollins’ career prospects look extremely dim. I wonder how much that might have to do with his attack of conscience and respect for the rule of law.
No one ever accused KKKarl Rove of being a polite dinner guest. (Ask those who sat with him at the WH Correspondents Dinner this year.) He’s a closet thug: he’s street mean, but has no guts or muscle, so he does his thing from the closet. He does it well.
Check out TPM for the latest installment of what he’s doing just at the DOJ.
After months of humiliating disclosures about the legally suspect and professionally damaging politicization at the DOJ, after formal investigations at the GSA that resulted in a firing recommendation, after the announcement of further investigations of eighteen other federal agencies, does KKKarl rein himself in? Nooo. He counterattacks.
Via ‘Fredo, he has instituted a new interview process for USA’s. That’s on top of the exhaustive process that already evaluates whether they are highly competent lawyers and managers. According to TPM, ‘Fredo, who has so little else to do, is now going to interview each USA and pass on to them all the complaints from (at least Republican) politicians about them.
That’s just in case any of them haven’t gotten the memo that political loyalty is all that counts – especially as continuing investigations threaten to open wide KKKarl’s Pandora’s Box. Chutzpah doesn’t quite capture that act. Congress should lawyer up.
Scarecrow @ 99
I have come to conclusion that “small government conservatism” is a philosophy that can and is held only when in opposition, never while in power (see comment 105). Note that “small gov’t in opposition” is really saying “don’t interfere with big money interests”. While Bush and Reagan while in power both said “whee – big money interests – hep yoself!”.
There are no true conservatives on the Right. A true conservative wants to conserve what’s right (ie, they’re cautious). Today’s conservatives want to go back to a time when, so they claim, everything was right. They call it the Golden Age, we think of Robber Barons.
If “small gov’t” was an actual goal, why didn’t they all move to Somalia when they had the chance?
SNIP
Scarecrow @ 99
Point taken. There are the sincere ‘true believers’ like the Regency lawyer drones, and there are the blatantly corrupt who are in it for power, money, etc. (Like the guy they’re talking about here. You can hear the interview at that link. It’s only 35 minutes but it’s an appalling view of what’s happening to our country.)
My own personal evaluation is that the White House – and the national Republican Party these days is essentially a criminal conspiracy. The party of Lincoln is become a rotting zombie corpse; but of course polite society would never be so gauche as to puncture the pretense that it is still a party of principles. The alleged philosphy of Conservatism is nothing more than a sham of rationalizations, behind which the maggots are busy consuming what’s left of the brains and soul of the corpse as they work to corrupt everything else within their reach. If you listen carefully, you can hear a few voices on the Right, like souls falling into the pit of Hell, crying out “But this isn’t what we intended!” Well, we all know what the road to Hell is paved with.
I believe it was Orwell who wrote in 1984 that “the purpose of power is power.” Bush, Rove, Cheney, Delay, Bill Kristol, the Kagans, the entire GOP presidential slate, Dobson, Kennedy, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, et. al. At the core, that is what their beliefs are about: power – having it, keeping it, and denying it to anyone else.
As I said, fundamentally Anti-American.
We should have seen all this coming the instant Bush make his campaign manager a senior WH advisor. Clinton never put James Carville in a white house position because he knew it was just wrong. Bush did because he knew from day one that he wanted to take over the government.
Just read that Gonzales is planning on having all the remaining USA Attorneys, between now and November 2008, meet with him, one-on-one, in private, at the Justice Department to discuss their “performance,” even passing on evaluations of their “performance” by hardcore, “loyal Bushie” members of Congress.
Shades of further Hatch Act violations.
But not unexpected. The Bush administration is acting like a bunch of gambling addicts who can’t admit that they have a gambling problem and can’t stop what they’re doing, no matter what intervention occurs.
In the case of the Bush administration, though, not only are they gambling addicts, but also card cheats, caught with jokers up their sleeves, but continuing to play because no one is willing to kick their asses out of the game.
Thus, no matter what the Democratic-controlled Congress does leading up to the November 2008 elections, the Bush administration will continue doing all the illegal things they’ve been doing as though no oversight still exists, as if Congress were controlled by “rubber stamp” Republicans. Which actually is true. How many filibusters have the “rubber stamp” Republican in the Senate used in the past six months, relative to the number of filibusters used by Democrats during the past six years?
Anyway, when Gonzales calls each of the U.S. Attorneys individually into his office, Democrats in Congress should immediately afterward subpoena them.
Because it is quite obvious that this face-to-face with Gonzales is an attempt to make certain that there are no records (email, etc) generated, records that might be subject to congressional subpoena.
Thus, my “gambling” analogy about BushCo sticking to their subversive game plan for our freedom-loving democracy.
Incredible. Impeach all the Bushites. Oh right, the “brown-nose” Republicans will filibuster any such attempt. What a bunch of traitors.
TeddySanFran @ 116
I wonder if it’s ever been contested in Court.
And how many reprieves has Bush ever issued? Would seem to stand out as special cronyism if he has never offered them before and Libby was the “special case”. So out of the hundreds of thousands of cases up on appeal he ONLY gives Libby, a guy who used his position in the WH to expose a cover CIA agent, that special privelege.
He does this for the one guy that could, if he was forthright about who he spoke to in the Administration about the Plame information and whether he, in fact, knew her position was classified (certainly the documents that contained this information was marked Top Secret), would expose the conspiracy within the WH.