and fiscally responsible?

hmmmmmmm. no tag for that yet either, anymore.

the rest of what i said i believe still holds.

dem or repub/economics
then
liberal, moderate, conservative/social issues

name your label specifically.

and not having the ‘recent posts’ menu is making stopping back here a real bitch…i’m on dial up and had to through every single fukng post to get back here, took a while…i complained/suggested, nothing happening yet. help me out if you have a vote, we need the recent posts menu back.

rayne-

thanks.

therefore the need for qualifiers.

democrat or republican

liberal, moderate or conservative……….

they used to serve us well, republicans took them away…….

democrat or republican/ecomonic issues
liberal, moderate, conservative/social issues……..

and add progressive…….

progressive democrat and progressive republican.

I would argue whether there is such a thing as a progressive Republican. Being a Republican means subscribing to conservatism which is antithetical to progressivism.

And I’m not certain there’s such a thing as a conservative Democrat any longer; you’re either for progress or you’re not. At one time I labeled myself as fiscally conservative, but I’m really not; I’m fiscally responsible, in that the responsible thing to do with money may not be the conservative thing. (Just look at our budget deficit. Yeesh. Conservatives made it and it’s hardly responsible.)

thanks.

therefore the need for qualifiers.

democrat or republican

liberal, moderate or conservative……….

they used to serve us well, republicans took them away…….

democrat or republican/ecomonic issues
liberal, moderate, conservative/social issues……..

and add progressive…….

progressive democrat and progressive republican.

rayne-
people don’t like being labelled with something they can’t control…..i don’t like being labelled a liberal, with the same definition as code pink….i don’t agree with their tactics and many others, in fact, their ‘antics’ peeve me off, takes away from legitimate discourse, is meant to manipulate emotions, and who likes to be manipulated? i don’t and i don’t like someone doing in my name, liberal.

i think they hurt the cause more than help it……they aren’t reaching out to create a dialogue, they are just slammin’ to make an impact, and one that does’t last because it isn’t based on dialogue…..

Oh, I grok you completely. I think that Code Pink originally set out under Diane Wilson and Nina Utne to become an American variant of Las Madres de Plaza de Mayo; had they been more focused like Las Madres, they could have been more effective. But they have degraded into a clownish caricature; some of the problem is with their lack of focus, and some of it is that they failed to protect their “brand” from the corruption that the right-wing media was surely going to wreak on them. In the shortest terms, the intent was right but the execution was poor. By comparison, look at Las Madres; one cannot help but have sympathy for their cause because of their quiet but firm resolve and persistence.

I don’t use the label liberal in reference to myself because the wingers have completely corrupted it in our culture. And until we can take it back through a sustained conscious effort, I’m not goint to let them set the terms of the discussion.

I am about human progress, which is based in expansion not contraction; conservatism is its opposite because it seeks to contract and stop progression out of a misguided belief that what is best for individuals is to shrink and conserve. I embrace the label progressive; they have obviously had a hard time corrupting that label.

MarkH @ 164

So, you’ll be voting for Senator Hillary Clinton? I mean, she IS a Liberal and all, right?

Is she? Or does she merely appear to be more liberal on a scale that has moved to the right since her earlier icon Goldwater died?

I wonder … if Liberal is such a bad thing, then why does she allow them to call her a Liberal and why do so many people support her as a Liberal.

She may understand the VRWC, but she cannot coopt it at her own will; she can’t set the terms under which any label will be applied to her. Why do you think she has any power to “allow” people to call her anything besides Hillary and Clinton?

What does she stand for that IS Liberal?

Same question goes for Senator Barack Obama I suppose.

What’s your point? By comparison to the candidates running under the Republican banner, they are both liberal. It all depends on one’s point of reference. But what’s your point of reference here, let alone your point?

dakine01 @ 79

OK, Matt Taibbi, FUCK you for that piece of sh*t you wrote.

I am a life-long PROUD liberal. … I support unions and privacy. Even when I worked for the war machine I was a proud liberal. Former McGovern delegate and damn proud of it. …

So, you’ll be voting for Senator Hillary Clinton? I mean, she IS a Liberal and all, right?

I wonder … if Liberal is such a bad thing, then why does she allow them to call her a Liberal and why do so many people support her as a Liberal.

What does she stand for that IS Liberal?

Same question goes for Senator Barack Obama I suppose.

Mark, what does what you said have to do with what Dakine said?

Matt Taiibi’s column was highlighted in the Chronicle of Higher Education, with all the most damning quotes and denunciations highlighted in large boxes. It will be widely quoted with glee by the right wing.
Does that mean he shouldn’t have published it? Well, it means he should be clear on who will use it and how that will affect the desperate struggle over the future of America that unrolls in 2008.

And Matt Taibbi has now learned a lesson:

Bash conservatives and back it up with facts, and the MSM won’t print you.

Bash the MSM for being conservative and back it up with facts, and the MSM won’t print you.

Bash liberals for any old thing you make up, and the MSM will make you as rich as you want to be.

He’s on the same sellout route taken by Christopher Hitchens, Jake Tapper, and David Corn (who recently co-wrote a book with the ultimate CelebCorp member, Michael “I take Drudge’s and Lucianne’s dictation” Isikoff). And it will get him nice berths at a network or a magazine, and plenty of face time on TV.

I keep seeing comments from FDL authors asking people to keep their comments strictly to the topic at hand, especially when guest authors or politicians are participating in FDL chats. YouMob is a great way to have out-of-band chat going on – for those sorts of greetings and short friendly comments that FDL commenters seem to enjoy so much but might otherwise overload the FDL servers and moderators.

I use YouMob to browse FDL, but wish I had other FDL readers joining me there for an additional feeling of community. Anyway, I hope you’ll check it out, and we’d be *very* interested in ideas and feature requests from the FDL community if people saw this as a useful tool.

By the way, this FDL posting is mobbed at http://youmob.com/mob.aspx?mob…..-watergate

OK, Matt Taibbi, FUCK you for that piece of sh*t you wrote.

I am a life-long PROUD liberal. … I support unions and privacy. Even when I worked for the war machine I was a proud liberal. Former McGovern delegate and damn proud of it. …

So, you’ll be voting for Senator Hillary Clinton? I mean, she IS a Liberal and all, right?

I wonder … if Liberal is such a bad thing, then why does she allow them to call her a Liberal and why do so many people support her as a Liberal.

What does she stand for that IS Liberal?

Same question goes for Senator Barack Obama I suppose.