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		<title>By: timbob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was in Oz twice over the past 30 or so years, once while on R&amp;R from Vietnam, and then a second time when on TDY-temp duty-at an american site near Alice Springs. One thing that I noticed while there-actually very hard not to-was the truly massive numbers of rabbits. This might be somewhat hard to believe, but almost every day/nite people went out with M16’s to go on rabbit hunts, mostly because they were actually getting into rather sensative equipment and destroying it. It is quite an amazing sight to see an area of about a square mile, and seeing nothing but rabbits, no ground, nothing but moving fur. I also spent some time at a station(ranch/farm) in the outback while on R&amp;R, and saw what a real rat infestation was like. There have been some programs about this, and I am sure that somewhere on utube there is a video of it, but to see this, rats everywhere, in the thousands, was unreal. While I saw big rats in Vietnam, those were loners, these rats were small, and in everything. I also seem to recall that cane toads were imported into Oz, and now they too are raising havoc thruout Australia. So the people there have a really good idea what can happen when animals and plants are introduced into an ecosystem. I also saw what can happen when an animal gets introduced by accident, when I was in Guam, they had-and still do have-a huge problem with snakes-there were none in Guam until brought in  possibly by cargo ships during WWII. Now the big problem is keeping the snakes off the planes, esp those headed to Hawaii, as there are also no native snakes there. One can also see what happens when snakes-pythons-got out into the everglades-remember the picture of the snake that tried to swallow a gator, that was all over the news. I also remember there being some wild monkeys that live in a swampy area in Florida, they were either released or got loose, and so now Florida has monkeys, and large snakes to compete with the locals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Oz twice over the past 30 or so years, once while on R&amp;R from Vietnam, and then a second time when on TDY-temp duty-at an american site near Alice Springs. One thing that I noticed while there-actually very hard not to-was the truly massive numbers of rabbits. This might be somewhat hard to believe, but almost every day/nite people went out with M16’s to go on rabbit hunts, mostly because they were actually getting into rather sensative equipment and destroying it. It is quite an amazing sight to see an area of about a square mile, and seeing nothing but rabbits, no ground, nothing but moving fur. I also spent some time at a station(ranch/farm) in the outback while on R&amp;R, and saw what a real rat infestation was like. There have been some programs about this, and I am sure that somewhere on utube there is a video of it, but to see this, rats everywhere, in the thousands, was unreal. While I saw big rats in Vietnam, those were loners, these rats were small, and in everything. I also seem to recall that cane toads were imported into Oz, and now they too are raising havoc thruout Australia. So the people there have a really good idea what can happen when animals and plants are introduced into an ecosystem. I also saw what can happen when an animal gets introduced by accident, when I was in Guam, they had-and still do have-a huge problem with snakes-there were none in Guam until brought in  possibly by cargo ships during WWII. Now the big problem is keeping the snakes off the planes, esp those headed to Hawaii, as there are also no native snakes there. One can also see what happens when snakes-pythons-got out into the everglades-remember the picture of the snake that tried to swallow a gator, that was all over the news. I also remember there being some wild monkeys that live in a swampy area in Florida, they were either released or got loose, and so now Florida has monkeys, and large snakes to compete with the locals.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Waters</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/16/choices/#comment-765605</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-764873&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 13&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Julie,&lt;br /&gt;
I agree with your perspective on nuclear power with one caveat.  Or maybe a couple of caveats.  IF (very big IF) they can develop a way to clean up nuclear waste and make it non-toxic then MAYBE plants could be built with a whole lot of other restrictions on locations fail safes, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given that there’s not much chance of any of that happening…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How does that differ from any other fuel source?  IF they can develop a way to make gasoline use with zero emissions, then MAYBE we wouldn’t need to worry so much about fuel economy, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If nuclear power wants to make nuclear power safe, then they should go ahead and -do- it and then get back to us.  In the meantime, we have options for solar, wind and biofuels that some people are using when nuclear power tries to bill itself as a “clean” industry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Julie,<br />
I agree with your perspective on nuclear power with one caveat.  Or maybe a couple of caveats.  IF (very big IF) they can develop a way to clean up nuclear waste and make it non-toxic then MAYBE plants could be built with a whole lot of other restrictions on locations fail safes, etc.</p>
<p>Given that there’s not much chance of any of that happening…</p>
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<p>How does that differ from any other fuel source?  IF they can develop a way to make gasoline use with zero emissions, then MAYBE we wouldn’t need to worry so much about fuel economy, etc.</p>
<p>If nuclear power wants to make nuclear power safe, then they should go ahead and -do- it and then get back to us.  In the meantime, we have options for solar, wind and biofuels that some people are using when nuclear power tries to bill itself as a “clean” industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Duray</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/16/choices/#comment-765217</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Duray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about a twofer? Occasional posts on the environment would be prime, but occasional book salons on the same might be sublime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recently I’ve come across two authors whose excellence has been unfortunately overshadowed by the overwhelming PR effort being run by the “Al Gore for President” non-campaign. (I’ve never experienced such hyper-kinetic activism in my life not being married to the idea that someone wants to get back into the seat of power.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;***&lt;br /&gt;
The first of these two books, “Hell and High Water” by Joseph Romm is discussed here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_and_High_Water&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_and_High_Water&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The second, which I was mesmerized by, is “With Speed and Violence” by Fred Pearce, about the mind-boggling potential for “tipping points” controlling the Earth’s climate in the future.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=3505&quot;&gt;http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/for.....re_id=3505&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course I only make these suggestions because it’s summer… I’m lazy… and I’ve already finished these books.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy, </p>
<p>How about a twofer? Occasional posts on the environment would be prime, but occasional book salons on the same might be sublime.</p>
<p>Recently I’ve come across two authors whose excellence has been unfortunately overshadowed by the overwhelming PR effort being run by the “Al Gore for President” non-campaign. (I’ve never experienced such hyper-kinetic activism in my life not being married to the idea that someone wants to get back into the seat of power.)</p>
<p>***<br />
The first of these two books, “Hell and High Water” by Joseph Romm is discussed here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_and_High_Water">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_and_High_Water</a></p>
<p>The second, which I was mesmerized by, is “With Speed and Violence” by Fred Pearce, about the mind-boggling potential for “tipping points” controlling the Earth’s climate in the future.  <a href="http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/forum.php?lecture_id=3505">http://forum.wgbh.org/wgbh/for&#8230;..re_id=3505</a></p>
<p>Of course I only make these suggestions because it’s summer… I’m lazy… and I’ve already finished these books.</p>
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		<title>By: N=1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/16/choices/#comment-765206</link>
		<dc:creator>N=1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-765194&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DemFromCT @ 92&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Did you say pandemic?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.pandemicflu.gov/?p=99&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, for starters? or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/16/161441/043&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great to see you here, Dem!  Whew - an expert!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Did you say pandemic?</p>
<p>How about <a href="http://blog.pandemicflu.gov/?p=99">here</a>, for starters? or <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/16/161441/043">here</a>?</p>
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<p>Great to see you here, Dem!  Whew &#8211; an expert!</p>
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		<title>By: DemFromCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DemFromCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did you say pandemic?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.pandemicflu.gov/?p=99&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, for starters? or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/16/161441/043&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you say pandemic?</p>
<p>How about <a href="http://blog.pandemicflu.gov/?p=99">here</a>, for starters? or <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/16/161441/043">here</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: *ilbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/16/choices/#comment-765171</link>
		<dc:creator>*ilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Today is grad day at the University. Being an old recycler and after being reminded by my son of the days when the students left, the dumpsters were full I decidecided to make an inspection.  It’s been a decade or more since Iv’e made the dive and let me tell ya, recycling 101 is a failing subject by this generation. Details aside, the programs that have been in place are not decreasing the waste stream, period. ‘Old recyclers never die they just keep diving &amp; diving’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is grad day at the University. Being an old recycler and after being reminded by my son of the days when the students left, the dumpsters were full I decidecided to make an inspection.  It’s been a decade or more since Iv’e made the dive and let me tell ya, recycling 101 is a failing subject by this generation. Details aside, the programs that have been in place are not decreasing the waste stream, period. ‘Old recyclers never die they just keep diving &amp; diving’.</p>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/16/choices/#comment-765166</link>
		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gore should take more credit for Clinton’s success as a leader because he knew back then that sooner or later someone has to take away the punch bowl. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An environmentally conscious activist like Gore could stand up to Big Energy like no one else if only he could handle a woman for a boss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clinton/Gore — ha ha! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Try walking everywhere.  People used to do it all the time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gore should take more credit for Clinton’s success as a leader because he knew back then that sooner or later someone has to take away the punch bowl. </p>
<p>An environmentally conscious activist like Gore could stand up to Big Energy like no one else if only he could handle a woman for a boss.</p>
<p>Clinton/Gore — ha ha! </p>
<p>Try walking everywhere.  People used to do it all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: N=1</title>
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		<dc:creator>N=1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-765149&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Prof @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-765070&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;N=1 @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
That’s good to know - I’ll look for the story.  Are you commenting on the HHS Pandemic Flu Leadership blog?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Haven’t done so yet.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you have a public e-mail address, I’ll send you a copy.  Otherwise, link will be up tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks - I can’t remember if my email is public here or not.  I’ll look for the link tomorrow at any rate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-765149"><em>Prof @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-765070"><em>N=1 @ 83</em></a></p>
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That’s good to know &#8211; I’ll look for the story.  Are you commenting on the HHS Pandemic Flu Leadership blog?</p>
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<p>Haven’t done so yet.  </p>
<p>If you have a public e-mail address, I’ll send you a copy.  Otherwise, link will be up tomorrow.</p>
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<p>Thanks &#8211; I can’t remember if my email is public here or not.  I’ll look for the link tomorrow at any rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-765070&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;N=1 @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
That’s good to know - I’ll look for the story.  Are you commenting on the HHS Pandemic Flu Leadership blog?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Haven’t done so yet.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you have a public e-mail address, I’ll send you a copy.  Otherwise, link will be up tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-765070"><em>N=1 @ 83</em></a></p>
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That’s good to know &#8211; I’ll look for the story.  Are you commenting on the HHS Pandemic Flu Leadership blog?</p>
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<p>Haven’t done so yet.  </p>
<p>If you have a public e-mail address, I’ll send you a copy.  Otherwise, link will be up tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-765018&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bugboy @ 79&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t know, the minute Al Gore decides to run, he’ll have people telling him what to do.  I think he’s happy calling the shots, and he’ll lose that the minute he calls it.  He can do more outside the system, which is what he’s proving right now.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please get off the weight comments, people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bugboy, it pains me to disagree with a scientist, much less fellow activist and firepup but hear me out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMHO if Al Gore can be persuaded to run for President he represents the most qualified and experienced and intelligent Commander in Chief to occupy the White House since at least the FDR era.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He has served in the House, the Senate and two Vice Presidential terms. He was elected president and had the cajones (unlike the good Senator Kerrey) to represent We the People all the way to the US Supreme Court to fight for the people’s choice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Gore is uniquely qualified to clean up the rat’s nest that has infested our body politic by the current criminal cartel Bush/Cheney have wreaked on We the People at home and abroad. This great American has the intellect, experience and exceptional moral character to choose a cabinet that reflects his character and expertise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Equally important he is the only qualified potential candidate whom governments and peoples worldwide &lt;b&gt;know&lt;/b&gt; and hold in high esteem, respect and trust. In short, he is our last best hope to restore dignity, confidence and peace at home and throughout the world. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why settle for less when the well being of Mother Earth and all life, great and small are at risk of world wide destruction beyond our worse nightmares.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m just sayin’ what is obvious to this ole brat, nothin’ more. Perhaps Rev. Deb or other theologians can address the moral or theological  arguments for the debate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-765018"><em>Bugboy @ 79</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t know, the minute Al Gore decides to run, he’ll have people telling him what to do.  I think he’s happy calling the shots, and he’ll lose that the minute he calls it.  He can do more outside the system, which is what he’s proving right now.   </p>
<p>Please get off the weight comments, people.</p>
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<p>Bugboy, it pains me to disagree with a scientist, much less fellow activist and firepup but hear me out.</p>
<p>IMHO if Al Gore can be persuaded to run for President he represents the most qualified and experienced and intelligent Commander in Chief to occupy the White House since at least the FDR era.</p>
<p>He has served in the House, the Senate and two Vice Presidential terms. He was elected president and had the cajones (unlike the good Senator Kerrey) to represent We the People all the way to the US Supreme Court to fight for the people’s choice.</p>
<p>Mr. Gore is uniquely qualified to clean up the rat’s nest that has infested our body politic by the current criminal cartel Bush/Cheney have wreaked on We the People at home and abroad. This great American has the intellect, experience and exceptional moral character to choose a cabinet that reflects his character and expertise.</p>
<p>Equally important he is the only qualified potential candidate whom governments and peoples worldwide <b>know</b> and hold in high esteem, respect and trust. In short, he is our last best hope to restore dignity, confidence and peace at home and throughout the world. </p>
<p>Why settle for less when the well being of Mother Earth and all life, great and small are at risk of world wide destruction beyond our worse nightmares.</p>
<p>I’m just sayin’ what is obvious to this ole brat, nothin’ more. Perhaps Rev. Deb or other theologians can address the moral or theological  arguments for the debate.</p>
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